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>>11914 I KNEW IT!! THEY'VE BEEN IN CAHOOTS THE WHOLE TIME!! ROBBIE, MOVE THAT SENTINELS RAPE STORY TO PAHE 10, WE GOT A NEW FRONT PAGE: WEB-SPINNER & SPEED FREAK HOLDS HOLIDAYS HOSTAGE!!!
https://x.com/archiesonicwrld/status/1866386655218925777 >In the flashback sequence of issue #238, Shard's expression is based on the "Mighty lips" meme.
>>11941 >This was a popular meme within the fanbase at the time, where fans photoshopped a specific drawing of Mighty's lips (from Knuckles #11) onto various characters, to hilarious results.
>The Sonic mystery woman appears in Tokyo during Sonic and Shadow's fight in Sonic 3. It translates to Professor Tori (literally means "Bird") and a date reads 12-30-24. https://x.com/SEGAbits/status/1866605558335193517
>>11947 >https://x.com/SEGAbits/status/1866605558335193517 I think the name Tori has appeared before, according to the wiki Gerald Robotnik's journal sent to Tower is signed "Tory" In Japanese instead of singular T it has english.
>>11950 It is! I was going to storytime Gerald's journal this weekend, but the note to Tower is written by someone close enough to the Robotniks to refer to Gerald on a first-name basis and to be in lawful possession of the journal after it was recovered from Eggman's base. It's also written in the style of an emotionally mature, non-egotistical and intelligent woman (as apposed to Eggman, who writes like an intelligent self-centered child). Another interesting thing is the writer of the note doesn't seem to have any sort of personal relationship to Eggman, referring to him as Dr. Eggman. Here's the note for those interested:
>Commander,
>Your request for tangible evidence of the ARK incident fifty years ago produced very little results. Your predecessor was quite thorough in erasing the cover-up operation. However, Prof. Gerald Robotnik's personal diary managed to survive. Ironically, we have Dr. Eggman to thank for finding it at all. This journal was recovered during the investigation of Dr. Eggman's stronghold following the latest incident with the ARK.
>Unfortunately, time and tragedy have not been kind to the journal. What you're holding now is all that remains of the original book. I'm afraid there is no way of recovering the missing pages, nor can I restore the damaged or redacted elements. It's a pity, as I would have very much liked to have greater insight into Gerald and Maria's lives too.
>Regards, >T
>>11951 Now that'd be a twist! Tails is way more polite and energetic in his writing though and this person writes as if they have a long-term (likely professional, but that could just be due to the content of the letter) relationship with Tower. That would line up with Maria's sister as Maria treated Tower like a younger brother
>>11962 Agent Willoughby was great. What a bitch! >>11963 >in a magically realistic version of mobius, a young man must defeat his new bosses seven evil exes one by one in order to win his heart >>11969 Well, whoever had "recreate the poster of every Christmas movie" for Sonic 3 can scratch that off their bingo card!
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Page 13 https://mobiuscomics.com
You were expecting that punch but I bet you weren’t expecting to see these guys (and girls)! Knuckles has enough local enemies to deal with, he doesn’t want another! Also, how exactly is Sonic supposed to leave the island since he lost his mode of transportation?
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>>11977 >julie-su's relationship with knuckles is a complete disaster >sonic's relationship with sally is on the rocks >sonic and knuckles have just met
>>11983 If female Omega looks like that what does Female Eggman(Eggwoman) look like? AT the very least she won't have an egg-shaped dick like Eggman does.
>>11979 Pic related! I mean, you could have Sonic and Knuckles turn to the camera and say they're in committed hetero relationships and I'd only ship them harder >>11980 Really? I couldn't see him in the diary. Was it in a video? >Making Knuckles a 50+ year old man. Still would >>11981 It looks even more romantic with all this falling snow! >>11982 And that's why she's the team strategist! >>11983 lmao, this is perfect! I love that fem!Omega's shoulderpads look like purses >>11984 I've been redesigning my Sonic OC and only just now realized it's basically a male Rouge ;_; >>11987 Nicer hair, but worse eyelash game >>11988 If you look at ABT's original design for Lanolin, he doesn't draw her from the side and downplays her melons with the bell wisp. What a champ! >>11991 They did call the café Mean Bean >>11992 I just want more Riders games ;_;
>>11996 >Really? I couldn't see him in the diary. Was it in a video? I think he's that tiny dot in front of the Master Emerald, I wish there were better scans online.
>>11997 It's clearer in the physical copy that those are just the emerald pillars >I wish there were better scans online. Oh boy are you in luck, I'm posting my scans after tonight's storytime! >>11998 Same. My guess is they died when he was young so he doesn't really remember much about them
>>11996 >Pic related! I mean, you could have Sonic and Knuckles turn to the camera and say they're in committed hetero relationships and I'd only ship them harder It's really hard to beat any allegations when it comes to Sonic. >>12012 Filthy gaijin IDW got shafted for glorious nippon mangaka.
https://x.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1867586003718091174 >‘SONIC 3’ director Jeff Fowler tells us that The Black Doom was never planned to appear in the film. >“For the purposes of telling a more grounded version for this film, it felt like Black Doom was maybe a little too much.” He made the right decision
>>12015 >Shadow: How long have I been under? >Gerald: Since 1974! >Shadow: Are the Athletics still the champs? >Gerald: The champs?! They don't play in Oakland anymore! >Shadow: EARTH MUST PAY!
>>12087 And that's the wordiest storytime we've ever done over! I think it went well, especially since there isn't a 1,000 character limit here and we can use bold and underlined text. Feel free to use that thread for lore and headcanon discussions
The sad irony is that Knuckles was so distrustful of Mighty’s love interest when he should’ve been more wary of his own. And now we have another look at the villainous twins, Kragok and Lien-Da. Both have been given a bit more personality. Kragok hams it up and Lien-Da… she… uh… so Knuckles is single now, right?
>>12149 >I want him as a toy! >....Why are you like this, Lien-Da? >The first all natural Echinda male in years is in my presence and I'm NOT supposed to be thirsty? Fuck You.
>>12149 >Knuckles will have trust issues from Julie-Su but later get tricked by Eggman He has a hard life. Really playing up the dom with her which I like. Her brother having to hear it is funny.
>>12151 It's not like Silver has anybody in his life aside from Blaze, Period. Although Sonic's extended friend group seem to not hate the guy for what that's worth.
>>12155 >It's not like Silver has anybody in his life aside from Blaze, Period. Objection! >>12132 I really hate how smug and dismissive IDWnic is, it really goes against his core personality from the games (and pretty much every other continuity). I hate even more how attractive it makes him ;_; I actually do agree with this assessment though. Aside from the wonky camera (which all 3D platformers had back then), SA1 plays perfectly fine and really does translate momentum-based platforming well into 3d, even if the spindash is too easy to spam for instant speed. I could write pages about the physics of Sonic games but TLDR: SA2, Heroes and StH had terrible rails and light speed dash controls, and the homing attack was extremely inconsistent and clunky. The physics in 06 were actually really good the demo, but they had to go with an earlier version for the release so it's actually terrible. Unleashed improved the homing attack by adding a targeting reticle, although killed your momentum (unless you were attacking a balloon). It also fixed the rails and light speed dash. Colors, Lost World and Forces removed all momentum-based gameplay, but pretty much everything was fixed in Frontiers (from a physics standpoint at least) >>12140 Well she is pretty flat, hew hew >>12142 He'd be so easy to animate too, no legs! >>12149 It's nice to see Kragok actually get in a win for once. He pretty much just jobbed to in his first appearance in Archie, then worked for Enerjak, broke out of prison after Enerjak jobbed to a mammoth with a magic piss sword, and then got killed by Tobor. It's also nice to see him and Lien-Da working together and bullying their half-sister, since we didn't really get to see that in Archie despite it having a huge impact on Julie-Su >that Lien-Da And they say women can't be relatable! >>12151 It's so pointlessly cruel! >>12153 When you think about it, Knuckles is probably ridiculously handsome. He's got the physique of an Olympic-level athlete and is the closest thing the island has to a celebrity >>12154 Imagine all the HR complaints Kragok has to deal with!
>>12161 Spoil your shit faggot Fucking metal jobber lol, and yeah I think she looks fine. Amy is kind of team in Sonic's team comp as she like Knuckles is also a brawler with magic(?) powers, but unlike Knuckles she actually has a reason to be involved most of the time.
>>12163 Movie spoilers lmao, 11 trillion Metal Jobbers. Did Flynn write this scene? >>12164 Movie spoilers Asian Amy? More like Pink Shadow amirite? They seriously gave her angular seme(top) eyes to Sonic's uke(bottom) eyes
>>12164 Sonamy will finally be canon outside of Sonic Boom and the old Nicky manga. Which means Sonadow had its fun. Time for Sonamy to take the top spot again.
>>12164 >hollywood girlboss no.912833 Because we all know how beloved and popular those are! and she takes out all those metals amazing/s I'm going to pray to god that they just copy her boom personality but I know deep down she will be insufferable like Rey. >countless metal jobnic T-t-thanks Jeff
>>12168 >Sonamy will finally be canon outside of Sonic Boom and the old Nicky manga. >when they took the time to edit out her love for sonic in nu generations bio >when they also took the time to remove her romance from the sonic fast friends shit bio >when even her new sonic channel shit has her romance for sonic greatly depleted eh???
Still looking forward to the movie and I hope it breaks a billion.
>>12170 That's a lot to infer from her killing jobber Trash, but these are kids/all ages movies so I doubt they'll get together in anything but a noncommittal, no labels, eye contact and a date way,
>>12170 Sega of Japan wants to erase romance and personality from all characters. Same reason why they want Sonic to have no family and home but those are things Sonic has in the movies because Paramount as well as any other Western company adapting Sonic thinks he should have in addition to love interests. Western Sonic almost always shows romantic interest in girls. Japanese Sonic? Not so much.
>>12166 >>12170 I really dont get the fans who still hope for something good and inovative out of Metal Sonic. When has that character been more than just an Eggman minion fodder ever since his Sonic Heroes days ?
Green Hill's looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now plus4chan's looking a lot more like REDACTED4chan right now
>>12168 >Which means Here lies our dear Konductor, viciously murdered by a horde of angry fujos >>12170 I'm hoping that won't be the case and they actually give her a personality and backstory beyond generic quipping action girl that's just as tough as the boys. Also, they already gave the becoming obsessed with Sonic after cyberstalking him from across the stars backstory to Tails >second spoiler On the plus side, those re-writes did clarify the reason Knuckles gets so mad at Sonic is because he ate Angel Island. Deepest lore! >Still looking forward to the movie and I hope it breaks a billion. Same. I'd watch anything with Carrey but even the scenes without him have been fun >>12171 Honestly, adding in a girl Hedgehog is the only way to sidestep implying Sonic and Knuckles are experimenting. Tails has seen lots of other Foxes (and is probably too young for romance) but Sonic and Knuckles are older and have seen zero fluffy women. Without Amy (and Shadow), Sonic and Knuckles are literally the only option for each other. Yet another reason they should've added Rouge >>12172 I'm still mad ;_; >>12173 It's even worse. [spoiler]SoJ wants the franchise to feel like it's got all this deep lore (and the writers and even Iizuka clearly want this), but also want things vague enough so they can pivot the brand to pretty much anything. They've also got the awful habit of trashing anything they feel doesn't work, as if the fans can't handle multiple continuities. It'd be bad enough if they wanted to bury all Western continuities prior to IDW, but they won't even acknowledge the OVA or Sonic X anymore >Japanese Sonic? Not so much. He flirts in the various manga (and even had his own groupies in the first one!) and had the hots for Sara in the OVA and Elise in 06. You could also argue there was some romantic attraction between him and Blaze in the Rush games. Obviously he flirts more with Knuckles in every continuity except the OVA (they're both into Sara) and Underground (Knuckles kisses and dates Sonic's sister instead) [/spoiler] >>12174 In CD he had a cool design, was a genuine threat and had a similar personality to Sonic. Heroes built on this by making him a world ending threat that outsmarted Eggman, thinks he's the real Sonic and had a cool T-1000 liquid metal body. Now he's just a silent jobber with no personality and it sucks
>>12178 Huh. I guess the spoilers don't work across multiple lines if there's a quote in the middle. At least the one that broke didn't have any movie spoilers in it!
>>12176 Damn, Sonic sure is lucky, he gets Amy and Surge. Two girls literally made for him.
>>12179 I don't get the problem people have with the tarot cards. It's just another tool she can use like her hammer, and being the magic one gives her another angel to work with. Honestly I'm not a fan of her movie hammer being mechanical looking, it should have always been a magic squeaky hammer. If only the writers would do something, anything with her.
>mass produced metal Sonic >Metal Sonic not jobbing >Metal Sonic ever being comparable to Metal Sonic. This level of delusion could only come from one person, is that you Metal?
>>12181 They're explicitly dating in the Tamersverse (i.e., the one true canon), but it was more implied in the original show. Their kiss is the last time we see knuckles, but we don't see Sonia flirt with anyone else in the final 10 episodes. If it hadn't been canceled, the next season would've had more episodes with Knuckles and more focus on their relationship >>12185 >spoiler I'm fine with it being something she can do, but it's not enough to be a primary personality trait now that they've removed the Sonic obsession. Even Boom Amy had multiple interests (arts and crafts, interior decorating, fuzzy puppy buddies, local politics/activism, obsessing over Sonic). I just don't like that she can turn her tarot cards into a car. At least give her a whole set of stage magician powers! >>12186 lmao. That's the problem, she's went from boy-crazy as a hobby to a given up on boys spinster hobby >>12187 That Metal Sonic's a jobber
>>12190 I think the easiest solution is that Amy just learned over time that being too direct will just make Sonic scared and flee due to his fear of commitment. So she still tries to come onto him, just not as forcefully.
>>12191 TLDR: I get bored easily and Tamers produces something completely unique and absolutely compelling at a rate that puts every animation studio to shame
It's a lot of reasons really. I'm genuinely a fan of Sonic Underground, particularly its retro-scifi aesthetic and sense of progression (there's much more focus on continuity and progression than SatAM). Not to mention best boys Sleet and Dingo! I've been a fan of Tamers ever since I caught this video around 8 years ago: Sonic the Hedgehog watches his lover, Bartleby dunk some balls. I liked the unrepentant enthusiasm for the ship and the unique artstyle of pasting MS Paint drawings over stock photo backgrounds and had to see more. After watching the more episodic Sonic the Hedgehog - Great Cereal Crisis I was hooked. The comfy slice of life drama paired with over the top anime fights and early 00s Internet humor is extremely compelling and I think a lot of people just get filtered by the fart jokes and TTS voices.
I also like that despite the often bizarre and violent world the characters live in, the relationships are all written with care and a sense of realism that's genuinely better than anything you'll find in mainstream media. Knuckles and Sonia's relationship is extremely cute, but has a lot of ups and downs, with a common thread of them both trying to work out the sort of people they want to be, which causes them to drift apart as much as it draws them closer together. Aleena is a woman plagued with guilt and regret, having gone from Queen of Mobius to working class suburban mom trying to raise 3 strangers that are almost adults, all without the man she loves more than anything.
Sleet and Dingo are obviously my favorites. Mainstream media is terrified of showing anything but happy out and proud gays that never face any real discrimination and are essentially perfect. Sleet and Dingo constantly bicker and even betray each other despite loving each other dearly. They've been together for a long time, but until recently Sleet was still in the closet so they would fight whenever Dingo publicly expressed affection. This out x closeted relationship would've been resolved with Sleet coming out at the end of the episode if it was a mainstream show, but that's just not how real life works. Spoilers for how it was resolved: Sleet was in the closet for so long because he was almost murdered and gang raped when Dingo outed him in high school. Dingo did save him, but he never really got over it. It wasn't until he'd seen Sonic and Bartleby be affectionate in public, had a talk with Sonic about it, and had to defend Dingo's life that he was able to feel comfortable with himself. Importantly, he never actually makes a big public declaration that he's gay, just that Dingo is his and that he'll keep him safe
Also, Tamers doesn't hate Sonic. He hates modern Sonic. He's fine with the classic games, AoStH and SatAM, but doesn't bother with them since it's time that could be spent watching Sonic Underground
>>12195 I'm kinda surprised we've not seen anything like that in the Sonic franchise before. Mephiles does build himself up from a bunch of smaller shadows in his boss fight with Shadow, but we haven't even seen Badniks combine to make a larger robot. Eggman's probably a massive weeb so you'd think that's the first thing he'd build
>>12200 I still maintain more people would like Silver if Evan didn't poison his character with fluffiness. Vulture!Silver is unironically much closer to his actual characterization than IDW's Uwuver
>>12201 I'll be honest in that I hate all forms and iterations of Silver with the deepest bile in my belly but he's very much a character that feels like they don't know what to do with or how he's meant to be and is there out of obligation more then anything.
https://www.deviantart.com/piplup88908/art/We-re-back-1128185335 Chaos Sonic Comic, the comic with multiple endings but the canon one is when Sonic goes evil and dies and Sally and Amy become a couple, is coming back! Some pages were posted but I'll wait until it's done before posting it.
>>12202 Fair enough. Sometimes a character just rubs you the wrong way. I do agree that they've got no idea what to do with him. He was supposed to have his debut game in 07 but after 06 bombed it obviously got cancelled. The only evidence we have of it was his VA putting it on his resume so they did get far enough to record lines. My guess is it would've solidified him and Blaze's roles in the franchise. Blaze's gameplay is suspiciously better working than Sonic's in 06 so she was likely going to be a playable character along with Silver. There really is a massive void around those two characters and a canceled game where they explore Blare's world would explain a lot >>12204 lmao, I love how annoyed Iizuka gets when someone asks if they're related. I agree about Shadow, but Silver's only nice in the comics. He's a cocky prick in Team Sonic Racing. Here's some of his more zesty lines: >Great! I'll take it! >I won't let you slow me down! >Let's show these guys some Ultimate power! >Make way for the superior team! >Move it! >No defense against Ultimate Power! >That wasn't very smart, Tails! >Unf! We were allies once, Shadow! >You'll wish you never challenged us! >Back off, Shadow! >>12205 Best girl (robot) >>12209 Fact check: true! >>12212 Nice! The multiple endings thing was a lot of fun, and having Nicky be triplets with Manic and Sonia was an interesting twist. I don't think it was ever resolved whether Nicky was Sonic reincarnating himself >>12213 That's going to make a perfect banner for the website! >>12216 We were robbed of so much creepy and cool shit with Phage ;_; >>12223 Everyone always talks about Olivia Wilde (and for good reason!), but Garrett Hedlund was so hot in that
>>12215 >>12216 I like these mobianized robots, Neo Metal is especially sick here, it would be a great design for Neo Metal Sonic 2 since the design really looks like someone who wants to be Sonic but cooler, but is actually Sonic but lamer.
>>12228 >someone who wants to be Sonic but cooler, but is actually Sonic but lamer That's an absolutely perfect description of Metal. Sonic never tries to be cool, he's just a guy that loves adventure so his coolness is unintentional and effortless. Metal's so preoccupied with trying to be Sonic but cooler he's completely oblivious to everything else and keeps making the dumbest mistakes. In CD he copies Sonic's cool poses and spends the entire race showing off his own cool moves only to get trash compacted at the end because Sonic just focused on the race. In Heroes he tries to beat Sonic at friendship by copying the abilities of Sonic's friends, only for Sonic to share his super transformation with his friends and them to beat up Metal as a team. Metal only has himself to blame for being such an absolute joke and that's why he's one of my favorite characters
>>12231 It's the best descriptor for Metal since he tries to be Sonic. Shadow is something like a mid point between Vegeta and Piccolo while Silver is just kind of there. Meanwhile Surge is just a mentally ill woman who likes attention and wants to have fight-sex with Sonic.
>>12201 Silver's well was poisoned before Evan. >>12227 The issue with Silver is that everything about him is very contrived. He's the combination of Knuckles/Blaze's contrivances to appear in a story but worse. A short term character that they want to stretch indefinitely. This is why they don't know what to do with him so often, he's not built for it.
>>12227 I genuinely wish Blaze's world got more use since we've had Silver slurp up spotlight and his setting milked for all it's worth while Blaze has gotten scraps and is barely relevant in any of the comic adaptions, prime would've been perfect for her to appear but that show also really became tiresome on season 2.
It's been forever since watched Tron Legacy, I've also not seen Trong Uprising beyond Paige being fuckable and clips of Tesler being an awesome villain with good ol Lance Henrickson as his VA, that guy instantly elevates any bad guy
>>12247 I don't get the rush really, they already missed the year of Shadow so they can't do any tie ins, there's already a Japanese SonicXShadow tie in. As well as pushing the Rogues for the tie in with the next racing game. So maybe they're just rushing to a new status quo and time speak for post Frontiers, although that would make Surge look even more pathetic as by that time Sonic and Shadow both would have 2 transformations. Super Sonic 2 and Super+Doom Shadow. Since his winged Doom form is treated like a Super transformation it's probably his SS1 equivalent now, and he goes Super while in Winged Doom form, only he doesn't get a color change now, which is lame. Not to mention that Sonic and Shadow get stronger in between games and are already much more powerful then their base selves which boxed perfect chaos and metal overlord. Honestly Surge is pretty hard to take as a threat, even if she has 'hurt' Sonic, just because we haven't been given a good reason to think of her as a threat. There's a reason Toriyama's editor kept riding his ass about the androids until me made Cell. In a bright side this stuff makes me fired up to write even more fanfiction lol.
>>12248 I'm reminded of a Roger Ebert quote about the film North: "There is an idiocy here that seems almost intentional, as if the filmmakers plotted to leave anything of interest or entertainment value out of these episodes."
IDW is like that. It's like the writers are intentionally putting out the most boring, low-effort shit imaginable.
>>12249 >Shadow I honestly shudder to think what'll happen to him in future issues, given how IDW has portrayed him so far. I want to believe that he'll be written better after SonicXShadow Generations, but IDW has never been anything but a disappointment.
>Honestly Surge is pretty hard to take as a threat, Exactly. She jobs about as often as IDW Shadow has. It's like nobody in the comic is allowed to be intelligent or badass except for Sonic and Eggman.
>In a bright side this stuff makes me fired up to write even more fanfiction lol. Honestly, the past 14 years of media have really changed my opinion on fanfiction. I used to hate fanfic, but after seeing IDW Sonic, the MCU, the DCEU, the Star Wars sequels, all the shitty sequels to 80s franchises, the Hobbit trilogy, and so on I really can't honestly say that fanfic writers are any worse than the professionals are. They're honestly better in some cases. So go write to your heart's content; it can't be any worse than what the "pros" are shitting out.
>>12231 lmao, they're all some of my favorite characters! Well, Surge is kinda trash in the comics but actually interesting in fan works >>12232 I wish they'd stop writing Shadow as a humorless grump. Even Piccolo and Vegeta crack the occasional joke >Scourge is just a mentally ill man who likes attention and wants to have fight-sex with Sonic And that's why he's the best! >>12233 Highlights: >that sonic on the cover, unf! >tumble resting his head on rough >duo in his cute riding gear >sonic (in his cute riding gear) engaging in elder abuse >kit being creepy >rough and tumble being adorable retards >rough on tumble's back >amy, surge and jet all wanting to fuck sonic >the artist sneaking in a naked rabbit lady in the background of page 22 >sonic and jet flirting >diamond cutters jobbing to best boy mimic >silver's garden getting crushed
Lowlights: >another decompressed slog of a story >the writers thinking old man clutch is a serious threat. he's named after a strapless handbag ffs >surge's lightning powers making it look like she's crying >the writers thinking we care about the gay birds >no knuckles ;_; >sneaking in silver's sisters from gotf when we'll never get a conclusion >belle
So are Rough and Tumble good guys now? With Clutch out of the picture Eggman's the only villain left
Lien-Da is going to be fun. >>12227 >Nice! The multiple endings thing was a lot of fun, and having Nicky be triplets with Manic and Sonia was an interesting twist. I don't think it was ever resolved whether Nicky was Sonic reincarnating himself Maybe in the comments or character asks although I haven't checked. >That's going to make a perfect banner for the website! Once the page goes public you can take the text free version and do it if you want.
>>12235 >Silver's well was poisoned before Evan. Agreed, but she's ground zero for uwuver >The issue with Silver is that everything about him is very contrived Honestly any character can be compelling in the hands of the right writer and we certainly didn't get that for Silver. He's got Sonic's act first, think never attitude but without his emotional intelligence, Knuckles' stubbornness and gullibility but without his sense of duty and specialist knowledge, and Shadow's cool powers and tragic backstory but without his own Maria o center him. All this along with his zesty personality should make him a very unpredictable and versatile character, but they just do nothing with it. Even something as simple as him being a psychic that's as dumb as a bag of rocks could lead to some interesting stories >>12237 Even Silver's future is barely touched on outside of 06. We know it's terrible in Rivals, but peaceful in all the other games. I agree about Blaze though. We need a 3d game where she's a major character so we can finally see more of her world. Prime would have been a great place to explore it. I'm still mad they didn't just treat it as a love letter to the wider franchise and have Sonic and friends visit a different continuity for a few episodes Sliders-style and give the fans a satisfying conclusion to the ova, SatAM, X, Boom and Underground.
Tron Uprising was surprisingly good, highly recommend. There's like a dozen VAs in it that I absolutely love. It's even got Frodo and 7 of 9 from Star Trek! I'm looking forward to Tron Ares. It's got Jared Leto (aka best Joker), Evan Peters (best boy from American Horror Story) and Gillian Anderson (from the X-files)
>>12246 It's a shame Nintendo doesn't do separate portable game consoles anymore >>12248 >I have to go now. My planet needs me >Note: Clutch died on the way to his home planet I can't believe Clutch was an alien! >>12249 >In a bright side this stuff makes me fired up to write even more fanfiction lol. I unironically believe IDW is doing a good job if it causes more people to make fan works >>12252 >It's like the writers are intentionally putting out the most boring, low-effort shit imaginable. To be fair, SoJ did want them to work more closely with Sonic Team, and they're the masters of that! Sonadow Generations is absolute trash and I'm still mad about it. Even the music's a downgrade. It's literally the only Sonic game I CBF finishing, and I've completed 06 and Rise of Lyric! >Honestly, the past 14 years of media have really changed my opinion on fanfiction I've been a fan of fanfics since I was a kid, mostly because it was the only place I could see same-sex romance. It's a shame it gets such a bad reputation, since a lot of it's genuinely better written than most mainstream media. 100% agree on recent media. The Hobbit and LotR are some of my favorite books, and was so relieved the LotR films turned out so great but the Hobbit was just terrible and pointlessly stretched out. Same with Star Wars. I'm a prequels apologist and I just found the sequel films overproduced and boring. I hear the shows and comics are pretty good though, and I did love Star Wars Visions. >>12260 Lien-Da and Surge have been so much fun >Maybe in the comments or character asks although I haven't checked. That makes sense >Once the page goes public you can take the text free version and do it if you want. That's what I was planning to do! I'm also planning on fixing the code so I can actually archive /sssr/ again. Fingers crossed I can remember how the code works ;_;
>>12261 >Sonadow Generations is absolute trash and I'm still mad about it. Really? I only played the Shadow and I thought it was preddy gud just really short and too much highway. I didn't pay attention to the dialogue LOL NGL I would like you to explain in autistic detail why... Because I love reading your long wall of texts prequel gigachad
Once again I'm interested in 𝕏 discourse. Some people really enjoying Lanolin realizing she fucked up and now they want everyone to shit on her for it. And there are those that feel like she made a mistake and should be forgiven. And there's talk about how Mimic did such a good job he made everyone online hate Lanolin more than him. >>12261 >Lien-Da and Surge have been so much fun Love bad girls so much.
>>12262 lmao I'm glad someone enjoys reading them! I actually skipped the Sonic/Classic Sonic parts since I've already played them and would just get mad at the dialog changes. I did find it funny they were so bad at making the changes it's now canon Knuckles is angry at Sonic for eating his island though
As for the Shadow part, I found the soundtrack remixes genuinely terrible. I can forgive a lot of things in a Sonic game (buggy gameplay, short/boring levels, bizarre overcorrections to appease non-fans, a lack of Sonic and Knuckles kissing) but Sonic games are supposed to have excellent music. A lot of these tracks had been remixed before (the Biolizard fight music sounds great in 3DS Generations, as do the remixes in the Shadow DLC for Forces) so they had no excuse. I'm not a music expert, but the tracks just sounded off, or had really weird style choices. That wistful and melancholy piano track from Frontiers getting sped up and dubstepped was a crime. Also, they removed Right There, Ride On ;_;
The levels were fine, but nowhere near the expansiveness and ambition of the original Generations levels. Generations had the best level design of any boost game by far and we didn't get that here. They remade dozens of levels from 3d Sonic games in Frontiers so it's not like they're out of practice
Gameplay was a huge letdown for me. They have the code for the combat-oriented Frontiers-style gameplay and yet we're back to Forces/Generations physics inside the levels again. They did let Shadow use the Forces gameplaay in the hub world but his combat's far worse than Frontiers!Sonic. It was genuinely more fun to play as Shadow in 06!
What disappointed me most was the Alex Mercer Doom™ Powers™. Shadow doesn't need wings, he's already got rocket boots and the ability to teleport, and he doesn't need to turn into a tentacle monster, there's plenty of smut about that already (seriously, there's at least 3 high quality doujins/fan comics about that). The real reason they're doing this is classic Sonic Team overcorrection
StH got criticized for having poor vehicle controls, and while they were fine in 06, the game was a flop so they're afraid to touch on those gameplay elements. They've tried to smuggle the vehicle sections back in with the doom powers, but ironically the controls for them are absolutely terrible. I actually gave up on the game when you have to fly up to the big floating eyeball in the hub world because the controls were such unintuitive dogshit
The whole premise of the plot was misguided imo. I get that Generations is a game that looks back on previous events in the franchise, but to go with the most predictable "Doom's back and trying to control Shadow again while shadow broods over Muh-Ria" was lame. At least switch things up and have Shadow pull Gerald and Maria into the present. Cause some actual change to the status quo! I did at least like the part where Rouge and Shadow switch out Sonic's emerald
I'm also not happy they shrank Rouge's breasts and covered up more of her cleavage. I may not be into the ladies, but she's one of my favorite characters. I love her confident femme fatale vibe and think it sends the wrong message that a person can't be both competent and sexy. Also, they covered up her back so now her wings clip through her clothes, which is such a rookie design mistake
>>12264 I just hope it allows her to be more like ABT's take on the character >𝕏 discourse Finally someone else is having fun with unicode symbols! >Love bad girls so much. They're the superior choice! Comics are supposed to be fun (take notes IDW!) and a guaranteed way to inject a sense of fun into the story is for the villains to have an absolute blast being degenerate gremlins. Having Kit, Maw and Kragok being the straight man to the more exuberant Surge, Starline and Lien-Da really helps make them shine I do hope Regina shows up sometime
>>12265 > it's now canon Knuckles is angry at Sonic for eating his island though Lol those dialogue changes are cancer. This is why I actually don't want a SA1/SA2 Remaster/Remake. We will get monkey pawed hard.
I won't lie I really hated the new biohazard mix and I did find the new OST underwhelming.
I getchya, I'll add that I wish we got more variety for the Shadow levels.
Woah, I'll have you know Sonic Team is a small Indie company, please understand. [spoiler]I'll never forgive them for fucking up the original hedgehog engine they had for unleashed, It was perfect. [/spoiler]
But they look so cool....but from a narrative perspective don't make much sense when you remember black arms really wasn't a thing during SA2
Lol I fucking hated using the wings I turned that shit off ASAP
You mean you don't like MUHRIAH for the 900th time? Also it just felt like Maria and Gerald did nothing for the whole game, they just stand in one area and don't interact with anyone else...like why?
[spoiler]Um sorry, can't have sexy big booba in current year. You WILL bend the knee to DEI and Sweet Baby Inc. Seriously why the fuck is the game industry like this? no one likes this shit fucking STOP. [/spoiler]
>>12261 >I unironically believe IDW is doing a good job if it causes more people to make fan works At the very least, getting a lot of fanworks means people like the premise or the characters from whatever they're making a fanwork of. Just looking at ao3, there are 2252 Sonic IDW fics with 644 and 633 being Whisper and Tangle respectively, 368 being Surge. Searching by other and genre tags gets us around 586 total works in the hurt/comfort/angst triangle with 200~ of them being Whisper, 190~ of those works being Tangle, and around 100~ of them being Surge. There are 313, Canon Divergence or more story focused fics, with 118 of them having Whisper, 107 of them being Tangle, and 102 of them having Surge in them. Surge being less popular isn't surprising, she came out in the third year of publication and Imposter Syndrome led into the fourth year of publication. Whisper and Tangle being more popular for their uwu lesbians thing isn't surprising, even if Whisper does just bring Tangle down. That's kind of just what happens to lesbian couples in male dominated franchises But Surge seems to be pretty popular for more story based fics, about a third of all fics with Surge in them are story based and a third of all story based fics involve Surge despite her being half as popular as the next two IDW characters individually. Although none of that is really surprising.
>>12264 That X user has a point, but it's more of a symptom of a bigger issue with tone and how violence is portrayed in different genres. Sonic, especially in the games is very shounen. So attempted acts of murder are brushed off rather easily, especially if a person looks like they're going to try better moving forward. Just look at all of Sonic's friends, they've all tried to kill him except for Tails, and Eggman in SA2s ending. I think no matter what it needs to be not swept under the rug and have them just all forgive each other, Lanolin needs to change in response to this or it's just a nothing burger of a plot. Honestly I think about any direction could be good as long as it's written competently and Lanolin struggles. >hate Lanolin more than him. I don't think Mimic should hate Lanolin, if anything she's a huge help so he should like her.
>>12259 >So are Rough and Tumble good guys now? With Clutch out of the picture Eggman's the only villain left Honestly he's the only one who won, it's in his best interest that the Restoration and Clutch wipe each other out and working with him was dumb in the first place. Sonic just got luckily this didn't backfire more and both Lanolin and Surge would be justified in being mad at him, especially Surge since the same Sonic who talked down to her is just being buddy-buddy with Eggman. Although really this is Clutch's fault for being an idiot, and also a bit of Surge's and Kit's for not slapping his idiotic plan down when they first met him.
>>12266 >I just hope it allows her to be more like ABT's take on the character That version of the character is too interesting to be in the comic and I doubt Evan would like to write her that way. >Regina We're still in phase 1 and she's likely going to be a phase 3 or at best late phase 2 character. HOWEVER I'll tell you that your favorite character will be making his debut after this current Knuckles arc is concluded. >>12269 >I don't think Mimic should hate Lanolin, if anything she's a huge help so he should like her. I meant Mimic making people online hate her because of how he fooled her.
>>12267 CERO & The ESRB. Example, You know how Smash when introducing a character or cross promotion go "Smash Bros. X Kingdom Hearts" for example? Apparently, even acknowledging a M-Rated title can fuck with the ratings: that's why we got silly ass "Smash X DANTE" in North America. >>12269 IDW is another case of missed potential in this franchise. >>12261 Silver was at best during Pre-Boot Archie: Well Meaning Fuck Up Who's Trying to Fuck Up Less.
>>12270 So Tails if Krillian, Knuckles is Piccolo, Shadow is Vegeta, Sonic is Goku. Who does that make Infinite and Mephalies? At the very least the androids are Surge and Kit. which kinda make me curious about what a Tails/Surge kid would look like?
>>12261 >Sonadow Generations is absolute trash I'm sorry man, that sucks. I was actually planning on getting that. I should've known better than to think some nostalgia remix of a pre-existing game would be worthwhile.
>the Hobbit was just terrible and pointlessly stretched out The Hobbit is literally my favorite ever fantasy book, and the movies are some of the worst I've seen in theaters. The third one in particular is basically just one long CGI fight scene. It's excruciating.
>I hear the shows and comics are pretty good though, and I did love Star Wars Visions. I've thought about trying to watch the shows, but it's just hard for me to care about what happens now that Luke and Han and the OT cast are dead. I never thought that any of the other Star Wars media had a set of main characters as compelling as Luke, Han, and Leia.
>>12279 I'm glad IDW didn't get overtaken down by the year of Shadow. He gets enough as is, and we don't need another comic getting interrupted by a fad.
>>12284 My schizo theory is that Paramount gave him a big fat check for Live and Learn and maybe he realised just how badly he got fucked over by SEGA. Also didn't Jun Senoue also contribute to the song so he would also have some copyright over it?
Either way we are probably getting another Hunnid-p situation.
From /sthg/: >I have no comment other than my desire to maintain the preservation of a long standing beautiful relationship with Sega,” Gioeli told Polygon. “I do not want fans to draw conclusions or be disrupted from the beautiful memories we have made collectively with this music. I believe and hope we will come to a peaceful settlement that will be fair and just.” >btw I want my fucking $500,000, bitch
But to be serious, I genuinely hope this doesn’t go down the route of Dreams Come True, Hunnid-P, etc. and this is settled quickly and Gioeli’s reputation is not too damaged from this.
>>12279 Looks like Shadow has the missing chaos emerald so it's almost certainly the Black Arms somehow, especially with the Sonadow tie in. Although I'm unfamiliar with Phegley, all his Sonic stuff so far looks to be movie adaptations. He's a kids writer that works with Scholastic as well as IDW. Also re retwetted picrel, anyways he seems to be a casual fan of Sonic who only got into writing Sonic stuff latter in life after he already became a children's graphic novel author.
>>12298 I was talking more so from fans but yeah it's worse in story suppose since if they bitch so much about it then do it yourself instead of seething
Someone just posted this on 4chan. How can the podcast exist if it can't be about answering questions about Sonic? Isn't that the point? I never really listened to a whole episode so I don't know if they answer non-Sonic stuff.
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Page 14 https://mobiuscomics.com
The tricky thing is keeping this ruse going without Knuckles finding out that Eggman’s been fooling him. It helps that AI Sally has been carefully manipulating everything. I always think about how in Sonic 3, Eggman is building bases, burning the jungle, filling the entire island with killer robots, and Knuckles is going after Sonic the entire time like he’s the one messing up the place. Gotta stop the guy defending himself and freeing trapped animals because he’s obviously after the Master Emerald! Oh well. That’s not the case in these comics. Knuckles isn’t that dumb in this. But between this and his comic, he might have trouble trusting anyone in the future.
>>12302 I guess we can say goodbye to the fabled lost hedgehog tales as well if the guy is willing to go this far just to appease Sega. I still cant take in the idea that they took control of an unaffiliated podcast like that. Its like they are treating Ian as an influencer who should have everything media related under their supervision.
Oh no... >>12303 Yeah I can't see it continuing or even still get questions. >>12305 I remember seeing posts asking how Ian was able to talk about Sonic and Sega with seemingly no filter and getting away with it. I know some were hoping he'd get fired instead. >>12307 Yeah. No matter how much you can imagine Eggman lying his ass off and reassuring Knuckles, there's no way he should be fine with any of it.
>>12300 I like my recurring villains and feel fans/writers can neglect them so it's very annoying how disposable fans want them to be cause of normalising or weird karma porn
>>12312 Aye was hoping Infinite could've slotted in as recurring but he's dead, Fang is classic exclusive apparently, Metal Sonic is an extension of Dr Eggman by being one of his creations and most the other villains are dead in the end of their debut, suppose why was happy Black Doom came back and had a decent role since got soft spot for that guy since Shadow is nostalgic to me even if I know it's not a good game.
>>12299 I don't think it's always a bad thing in story, but the problem is when it comes of as the characters have an out of universe argument causing them to act stupid. Of course there's nothing wrong with characters being stupid, but then there have to be consequences o their stupid actions and they need to change or at least think about what they're doing.
>>12309 Cool, Scrapnik island guy is back. He does come off a a bit obnoxious from time to time, but Scrapnik island wasn't bad. That said the deadly six are pretty lame, so I just hope he pulls a JoeAdok and manages to make them interesting.
>>12313 No idea why Fang is classic exclusive, although he is another Eggman lackey. At least Fang the Hunter showed that the Hooligans really did break up, although that means Bark and Bean are free to appear elsewhere so why haven't they?
<3 😈 >>12315 >That said the deadly six are pretty lame, so I just hope he pulls a JoeAdok and manages to make them interesting. I would assume he also has the greenlight to make his own zeti. Daddiizuka is just waiting for someone to take him up on his offer.
>>12267 >This is why I actually don't want a SA1/SA2 Remaster/Remake. We will get monkey pawed hard. 100% this. Unlike Sega, fans have fixed the lighting engine in the PC versions of SA1 and 2, so they're the only ones that deserve to do a remake >I won't lie I really hated the new biohazard mix and I did find the new OST underwhelming. It was so bad, especially after they actually cleaned up the mixing in 3DS Generations so you could actually hear the lyrics >I'll never forgive them for fucking up the original hedgehog engine they had for unleashed, It was perfect. Unleashed was great, and the lighting engine alone was a decade ahead of its time. My only complaint was the QTEs but they thankfully removed them in Generations. For me Generations was the perfect iteration of boost Sonic and nothing comes close to its level layouts. What we really needed instead of Generations was an Unleashed 2 that had the same quality level design, but with new levels and the sense of ambition Unleashed had >Lol I fucking hated using the wings I turned that shit off ASAP They're so bad ;_; >MUHRIAH If they're going to include her, at least do something interesting. Have her and Gerald build a device that weakens Doom, or have them take advantage of the time shenanigans to avoid their own deaths. They're Robotniks, it's their job to cheat death! >Um sorry, can't have sexy big booba in current year. It honestly reminds me of when FPSs were chasing the muh realism fad and made everything brown and bland. People want spectacle, they want larger than life characters doing cool stuff that could never happen in real life, and they want to be the ones doing it. Honestly the whole nerfing Rouge thing is tantamount to slut shaming. She's supposed to be sexy and much like Catwoman, makes a conscious choice to use her looks to her advantage by dressing provocatively. It's as much a tool in her arsenal as her bombs or ability to fly. That said, I welcome these parasitic initiatives to suck all the fun out of gaming because I want the AAA industry to burn. Indie games (generally) do not have this problem and I'd rather see them succeed
>>12269 >At the very least, getting a lot of fanworks means people like the premise or the characters from whatever they're making a fanwork of. That's what's so great about fanworks, they're free to keep things as is and just write more stories in the setting, or they can take characters they feel don't really get to shine and transform them into something interesting. Vulture!Silver's easily my favorite take on the character because he diverges so far from the mainstream interpretation, but Scourge from Eternal Blackout is my favorite take on him because he keeps so close to the Archie version. >those stats Wow, the fans really do like writing their uwu lesbians! Personally, if I had to write a lesbian couple in IDW it'd be Surge and Amy. They've both got that obsessive love/hate for Sonic and it'd be cool to see them get over it by realizing he's not that important >I don't think Mimic should hate Lanolin, if anything she's a huge help so he should like her. I think they should date! >Honestly he's the only one who won, it's in his best interest that the Restoration and Clutch wipe each other out and working with him was dumb in the first place. It was kinda weird they had Eggman swoop in at the last minute and completely steal everyone else's thunder. Still, I can't complain about Clutch being out of the picture
>>12270 >That version of the character is too interesting to be in the comic and I doubt Evan would like to write her that way. Yeah, she'd completely overshadow almost every other character and Ean clearly doesn't like writing jaded characters >spoiler 1 Still on the table! >spoiler 2 Plap fucking plap! Seriously though, I'm genuinely excited to see your take on him >>12272 It's such an ass-pull. They could've made it interesting and made Mephiles the main villain. Dude's probably the real creator of the Time Eater anyway >>12274 I like the slow burn, it's super cute And it's not like we're not getting side-story smut of them >>12275 >Apparently, even acknowledging a M-Rated title can fuck with the ratings Really? lmao >Silver was at best during Pre-Boot Archie: Well Meaning Fuck Up Who's Trying to Fuck Up Less. I did enjoy that version of him, even if it did start to get more uwu towards the end. IDW!Silver's just completely trash aside from his crush on Whisper and Espio >>12277 When you think about it, Bartleby is the true Ultimate Lifeform
>>12317 >Wow, the fans really do like writing their uwu lesbians! Personally, if I had to write a lesbian couple in IDW it'd be Surge and Amy. They've both got that obsessive love/hate for Sonic and it'd be cool to see them get over it by realizing he's not that important If we expand the search for Surge beyond IDW, giving us the total of 517 Surge fics, and then look at the relationships tab the top 10 relationships are and then remove the non-Surge options. >Platonic Surge and Kit (151) >Romantic Amy and Surge (59) >Platonic Sonic and Surge (30) >Romantic Surge and Jewel(26) >Romantic Sonic and Surge (17) So you wouldn't be alone, Amy and Surge is the most popular Surge romantic pairing. No idea why Surge and Jewel are that high, but it beats out Surge/Sonic despite that being the pairing I see the most fanart for by none. So there' so there's obvious selection bias here, but I think the general point I made still stands.
>>12319 Lol IDW Eggman needed a new bitch, I bet he would love Stone.
>>12278 >I'm sorry man, that sucks. I was actually planning on getting that. I guess it's nice to have a version of Generations to play on the Switch, but I wouldn't recommend it otherwise. I guess I shouldn't have had such high hopes for a nostalgia-bait remix of a game that was already remixed nostalgia-bait >The Hobbit is literally my favorite ever fantasy book, and the movies are some of the worst I've seen in theaters. The third one in particular is basically just one long CGI fight scene. It's excruciating. It's such a good book! I loved flipping back to the map and trying to work out where the characters were. I gave up after the first one so I was thankfully spared the CGI snooze-fest. It was probably the barrel scene that did me in >I've thought about trying to watch the shows, but it's just hard for me to care about what happens now that Luke and Han and the OT cast are dead. I never thought that any of the other Star Wars media had a set of main characters as compelling as Luke, Han, and Leia. Same. I absolutely loved those characters and the idea that the end of the original trilogy is the last time those three are ever truly happy, or even in each other's company is just too much to bear. I do't care what anyone says, they saved the galaxy and deserved a happy ending. >>12281 Beat me to it. I hate that I'm actually interested even though I know it's IDW >>12284 >he was paid $3,000 by Sega in 2001 to write the lyrics for the then-untitled song that would eventually become “Live and Learn.” Fucking hell, Sega really are atrocious. Obviously he knew the song was used in other things, but good luck to him anyway. Unlike Sega he actually likes Sonic and Sonic fans >>12287 >Paramount gave him a big fat check for Live and Learn They 100% did >and maybe he realised just how badly he got fucked over by SEGA. Yeah, that's my conclusion too. He's probably been payed more by Paramount for Sonic 3 than his entire career with Sega >>12288 Given how badly Sega shat the bed with Sonadow Generations, I'd say Gioeli's done us a massive favor >>12290 >Hunnid-P lmao, now I'm imagining him and Naka being cellmates >>12296 >Some of them have never really done a comic before. Gotta get them while they're still naïve to the workings of comic publishers! IDW seriously want to bring down the total cost of a page to $200. That's writing AND art and under 50k a year in total for IDW Sonic! >>12302 I mean, the comic's been without Sonic for ages so it's not without precedent! >>12304 I choose to interpret that shadow on Knuckles' muzzle as him blushing! >I always think about how in Sonic 3, Eggman is building bases, burning the jungle, filling the entire island with killer robots, and Knuckles is going after Sonic the entire time like he’s the one messing up the place. Knuckles never actually sees Eggman's robots cause destruction. As far as he's concerned Sonic started that fire. It doesn't come up much (since everyone already knows he's evil), but Eggman's a master manipulator and had enough knowledge of the Dragon Egg prophecy (from Gerald's journals) to BS his way into getting Knuckles to agree to let him build Launch Base to restore the Death Egg and to send out robot patrols to hunt down Sonic (Carnival Night Zone was likely already there on the island). Knuckles literally thinks it's his sacred duty to get the "Dragon Egg" up and off his island before another world-ending disaster occurs >>12305 >I guess we can say goodbye to the fabled lost hedgehog tales He's been holding that over fans' heads for years (I suspect so he could milk Archie questions on his podcast) >>12309 It'd be fine if they just took his Xitter away
>>12324 >I suspect so he could milk Archie questions on his podcast Oh definitely. And now he will problaby come up with a "Sega doesnt let him" excuse to not release it.
THE MOVIE WAS AMAZING!!! It was super good, easily the best one yet >Gerald did not create Shadow >Shadow landed in Oklahoma >He arrived in what looked like a Black Arms pod >Gerald lead the research with bringing Maria with him, who does not have a sickness >Maria and Shadow's friendship is the best rendition of it >Maria is a skater hence his skates >She died from a chaos energy storage exploding from a stray bullet >Stone is explicitly gay this time >Sonic and Shadow parallelism is shown throughout the entire movie >The same happens with Eggman and Gerald, plays into what was set up during the first >Sonic redeems Shadow on the moon which feels straight out of a Sonadow fanfiction >Sonic is the one who falls to Earth >EGGMAN FUCKING KILLS GERALD LMAO and saves the world >It ends with setting the terminator Metallix army, Amy, and reveals Shadow survived the explosion in space Go watch it, it's really good
>realize the spoiler tags were malformed so I copy my post to the clipboard before deleting it >it doesn't paste I fucking hate computers sometimes ;_;
>>12259 >belle Such an oddly lame character, while I think her concept is nice, she's really misplaced in the story. Eggman first appears as Mister Tinker in issue #5 in may of 2018, and is turned back into Eggman in issue #12 of January 2019, while Belle makes her first proper appearance in issue #34 of November 2020. If she was going to be included in the comic, she should have been in it from the beginning as someone who would vouch for Mr Tinker and conflict with Metal and Starline. I do like her and Eggman's encounter in issue #56, although him dismissing Belle as clingy feels out oc character since this is the same man who in the same comic thinks of Metal as a son. But the other part of the encounter where he expresses pride in her and offers her a place by her side, but accepts her rejection feels very nice and in character. It's just everything leading up to that, up to and including the panels before he says that, feels off. The idea of Eggman not liking Belle due to her pursuing Mr Tinker is one that I like, but I think Ian gets it wrong when it comes to Eggman's reasoning. He shouldn't have a problem with her being clingy, instead his problem should have been her not loving Eggman as a father for who he is, and instead loving a lobotomized, inoffensive, and docile version of himself. Which Belle would then counter by trying to argue why Eggman should be good, even if he isn't Mr Tinker, but then Eggman would tell her what he told Starline about how he loves what he does and how he doesn't want anything else. That and she's too wishy-washy, both her and Eggman should have left a little bit let down because either of them weren't able to convince the other to join the good/evil side respectively, but at the same time both of them respecting each other for the choice they made even if they don't agree with it.
>>12324 >Knuckles never actually sees Eggman's robots cause destruction. As far as he's concerned Sonic started that fire. It doesn't come up much (since everyone already knows he's evil), but Eggman's a master manipulator and had enough knowledge of the Dragon Egg prophecy (from Gerald's journals) to BS his way into getting Knuckles to agree to let him build Launch Base to restore the Death Egg and to send out robot patrols to hunt down Sonic (Carnival Night Zone was likely already there on the island). Knuckles literally thinks it's his sacred duty to get the "Dragon Egg" up and off his island before another world-ending disaster occurs That does make Knuckles look better from his limited perspective.
>>12401 Yeah doesn't mean much for the games, SoA doesn't make games. Although it's sort of funny Evan is now some part of Sonic's lore team in america in some way just after Ian was told off by sega. Hopefully this doesn't lead to more Uwuver and instead leads to more Surge orgasming faces.
Damn. Seeing old rumors and reports really makes one think. >>12403 At most Evan will make everyone a bit thicker. If Evan tried to make Silver her personal character to expand upon, Sega might be reminded of Penders.
>>12404 Paul Rudd would probably have been a good fit for Tom too, he's a funny guy but also has that father energy for the emotional moments. But alas the Movieverse is not ready for someone like Ant-Man.