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>>11914 I KNEW IT!! THEY'VE BEEN IN CAHOOTS THE WHOLE TIME!! ROBBIE, MOVE THAT SENTINELS RAPE STORY TO PAHE 10, WE GOT A NEW FRONT PAGE: WEB-SPINNER & SPEED FREAK HOLDS HOLIDAYS HOSTAGE!!!
https://x.com/archiesonicwrld/status/1866386655218925777 >In the flashback sequence of issue #238, Shard's expression is based on the "Mighty lips" meme.
>>11941 >This was a popular meme within the fanbase at the time, where fans photoshopped a specific drawing of Mighty's lips (from Knuckles #11) onto various characters, to hilarious results.
>The Sonic mystery woman appears in Tokyo during Sonic and Shadow's fight in Sonic 3. It translates to Professor Tori (literally means "Bird") and a date reads 12-30-24. https://x.com/SEGAbits/status/1866605558335193517
>>11947 >https://x.com/SEGAbits/status/1866605558335193517 I think the name Tori has appeared before, according to the wiki Gerald Robotnik's journal sent to Tower is signed "Tory" In Japanese instead of singular T it has english.
>>11950 It is! I was going to storytime Gerald's journal this weekend, but the note to Tower is written by someone close enough to the Robotniks to refer to Gerald on a first-name basis and to be in lawful possession of the journal after it was recovered from Eggman's base. It's also written in the style of an emotionally mature, non-egotistical and intelligent woman (as apposed to Eggman, who writes like an intelligent self-centered child). Another interesting thing is the writer of the note doesn't seem to have any sort of personal relationship to Eggman, referring to him as Dr. Eggman. Here's the note for those interested:
>Commander,
>Your request for tangible evidence of the ARK incident fifty years ago produced very little results. Your predecessor was quite thorough in erasing the cover-up operation. However, Prof. Gerald Robotnik's personal diary managed to survive. Ironically, we have Dr. Eggman to thank for finding it at all. This journal was recovered during the investigation of Dr. Eggman's stronghold following the latest incident with the ARK.
>Unfortunately, time and tragedy have not been kind to the journal. What you're holding now is all that remains of the original book. I'm afraid there is no way of recovering the missing pages, nor can I restore the damaged or redacted elements. It's a pity, as I would have very much liked to have greater insight into Gerald and Maria's lives too.
>Regards, >T
>>11951 Now that'd be a twist! Tails is way more polite and energetic in his writing though and this person writes as if they have a long-term (likely professional, but that could just be due to the content of the letter) relationship with Tower. That would line up with Maria's sister as Maria treated Tower like a younger brother
>>11962 Agent Willoughby was great. What a bitch! >>11963 >in a magically realistic version of mobius, a young man must defeat his new bosses seven evil exes one by one in order to win his heart >>11969 Well, whoever had "recreate the poster of every Christmas movie" for Sonic 3 can scratch that off their bingo card!
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Page 13 https://mobiuscomics.com
You were expecting that punch but I bet you weren’t expecting to see these guys (and girls)! Knuckles has enough local enemies to deal with, he doesn’t want another! Also, how exactly is Sonic supposed to leave the island since he lost his mode of transportation?
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>>11977 >julie-su's relationship with knuckles is a complete disaster >sonic's relationship with sally is on the rocks >sonic and knuckles have just met
>>11983 If female Omega looks like that what does Female Eggman(Eggwoman) look like? AT the very least she won't have an egg-shaped dick like Eggman does.
>>11979 Pic related! I mean, you could have Sonic and Knuckles turn to the camera and say they're in committed hetero relationships and I'd only ship them harder >>11980 Really? I couldn't see him in the diary. Was it in a video? >Making Knuckles a 50+ year old man. Still would >>11981 It looks even more romantic with all this falling snow! >>11982 And that's why she's the team strategist! >>11983 lmao, this is perfect! I love that fem!Omega's shoulderpads look like purses >>11984 I've been redesigning my Sonic OC and only just now realized it's basically a male Rouge ;_; >>11987 Nicer hair, but worse eyelash game >>11988 If you look at ABT's original design for Lanolin, he doesn't draw her from the side and downplays her melons with the bell wisp. What a champ! >>11991 They did call the café Mean Bean >>11992 I just want more Riders games ;_;
>>11996 >Really? I couldn't see him in the diary. Was it in a video? I think he's that tiny dot in front of the Master Emerald, I wish there were better scans online.
>>11997 It's clearer in the physical copy that those are just the emerald pillars >I wish there were better scans online. Oh boy are you in luck, I'm posting my scans after tonight's storytime! >>11998 Same. My guess is they died when he was young so he doesn't really remember much about them
>>11996 >Pic related! I mean, you could have Sonic and Knuckles turn to the camera and say they're in committed hetero relationships and I'd only ship them harder It's really hard to beat any allegations when it comes to Sonic. >>12012 Filthy gaijin IDW got shafted for glorious nippon mangaka.
https://x.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1867586003718091174 >‘SONIC 3’ director Jeff Fowler tells us that The Black Doom was never planned to appear in the film. >“For the purposes of telling a more grounded version for this film, it felt like Black Doom was maybe a little too much.” He made the right decision
>>12015 >Shadow: How long have I been under? >Gerald: Since 1974! >Shadow: Are the Athletics still the champs? >Gerald: The champs?! They don't play in Oakland anymore! >Shadow: EARTH MUST PAY!
>>12087 And that's the wordiest storytime we've ever done over! I think it went well, especially since there isn't a 1,000 character limit here and we can use bold and underlined text. Feel free to use that thread for lore and headcanon discussions
The sad irony is that Knuckles was so distrustful of Mighty’s love interest when he should’ve been more wary of his own. And now we have another look at the villainous twins, Kragok and Lien-Da. Both have been given a bit more personality. Kragok hams it up and Lien-Da… she… uh… so Knuckles is single now, right?
>>12149 >I want him as a toy! >....Why are you like this, Lien-Da? >The first all natural Echinda male in years is in my presence and I'm NOT supposed to be thirsty? Fuck You.
>>12149 >Knuckles will have trust issues from Julie-Su but later get tricked by Eggman He has a hard life. Really playing up the dom with her which I like. Her brother having to hear it is funny.
>>12151 It's not like Silver has anybody in his life aside from Blaze, Period. Although Sonic's extended friend group seem to not hate the guy for what that's worth.
>>12155 >It's not like Silver has anybody in his life aside from Blaze, Period. Objection! >>12132 I really hate how smug and dismissive IDWnic is, it really goes against his core personality from the games (and pretty much every other continuity). I hate even more how attractive it makes him ;_; I actually do agree with this assessment though. Aside from the wonky camera (which all 3D platformers had back then), SA1 plays perfectly fine and really does translate momentum-based platforming well into 3d, even if the spindash is too easy to spam for instant speed. I could write pages about the physics of Sonic games but TLDR: SA2, Heroes and StH had terrible rails and light speed dash controls, and the homing attack was extremely inconsistent and clunky. The physics in 06 were actually really good the demo, but they had to go with an earlier version for the release so it's actually terrible. Unleashed improved the homing attack by adding a targeting reticle, although killed your momentum (unless you were attacking a balloon). It also fixed the rails and light speed dash. Colors, Lost World and Forces removed all momentum-based gameplay, but pretty much everything was fixed in Frontiers (from a physics standpoint at least) >>12140 Well she is pretty flat, hew hew >>12142 He'd be so easy to animate too, no legs! >>12149 It's nice to see Kragok actually get in a win for once. He pretty much just jobbed to in his first appearance in Archie, then worked for Enerjak, broke out of prison after Enerjak jobbed to a mammoth with a magic piss sword, and then got killed by Tobor. It's also nice to see him and Lien-Da working together and bullying their half-sister, since we didn't really get to see that in Archie despite it having a huge impact on Julie-Su >that Lien-Da And they say women can't be relatable! >>12151 It's so pointlessly cruel! >>12153 When you think about it, Knuckles is probably ridiculously handsome. He's got the physique of an Olympic-level athlete and is the closest thing the island has to a celebrity >>12154 Imagine all the HR complaints Kragok has to deal with!
>>12161 Spoil your shit faggot Fucking metal jobber lol, and yeah I think she looks fine. Amy is kind of team in Sonic's team comp as she like Knuckles is also a brawler with magic(?) powers, but unlike Knuckles she actually has a reason to be involved most of the time.
>>12163 Movie spoilers lmao, 11 trillion Metal Jobbers. Did Flynn write this scene? >>12164 Movie spoilers Asian Amy? More like Pink Shadow amirite? They seriously gave her angular seme(top) eyes to Sonic's uke(bottom) eyes
>>12164 Sonamy will finally be canon outside of Sonic Boom and the old Nicky manga. Which means Sonadow had its fun. Time for Sonamy to take the top spot again.
>>12164 >hollywood girlboss no.912833 Because we all know how beloved and popular those are! and she takes out all those metals amazing/s I'm going to pray to god that they just copy her boom personality but I know deep down she will be insufferable like Rey. >countless metal jobnic T-t-thanks Jeff
>>12168 >Sonamy will finally be canon outside of Sonic Boom and the old Nicky manga. >when they took the time to edit out her love for sonic in nu generations bio >when they also took the time to remove her romance from the sonic fast friends shit bio >when even her new sonic channel shit has her romance for sonic greatly depleted eh???
Still looking forward to the movie and I hope it breaks a billion.
>>12170 That's a lot to infer from her killing jobber Trash, but these are kids/all ages movies so I doubt they'll get together in anything but a noncommittal, no labels, eye contact and a date way,
>>12170 Sega of Japan wants to erase romance and personality from all characters. Same reason why they want Sonic to have no family and home but those are things Sonic has in the movies because Paramount as well as any other Western company adapting Sonic thinks he should have in addition to love interests. Western Sonic almost always shows romantic interest in girls. Japanese Sonic? Not so much.
>>12166 >>12170 I really dont get the fans who still hope for something good and inovative out of Metal Sonic. When has that character been more than just an Eggman minion fodder ever since his Sonic Heroes days ?
Green Hill's looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now plus4chan's looking a lot more like REDACTED4chan right now
>>12168 >Which means Here lies our dear Konductor, viciously murdered by a horde of angry fujos >>12170 I'm hoping that won't be the case and they actually give her a personality and backstory beyond generic quipping action girl that's just as tough as the boys. Also, they already gave the becoming obsessed with Sonic after cyberstalking him from across the stars backstory to Tails >second spoiler On the plus side, those re-writes did clarify the reason Knuckles gets so mad at Sonic is because he ate Angel Island. Deepest lore! >Still looking forward to the movie and I hope it breaks a billion. Same. I'd watch anything with Carrey but even the scenes without him have been fun >>12171 Honestly, adding in a girl Hedgehog is the only way to sidestep implying Sonic and Knuckles are experimenting. Tails has seen lots of other Foxes (and is probably too young for romance) but Sonic and Knuckles are older and have seen zero fluffy women. Without Amy (and Shadow), Sonic and Knuckles are literally the only option for each other. Yet another reason they should've added Rouge >>12172 I'm still mad ;_; >>12173 It's even worse. [spoiler]SoJ wants the franchise to feel like it's got all this deep lore (and the writers and even Iizuka clearly want this), but also want things vague enough so they can pivot the brand to pretty much anything. They've also got the awful habit of trashing anything they feel doesn't work, as if the fans can't handle multiple continuities. It'd be bad enough if they wanted to bury all Western continuities prior to IDW, but they won't even acknowledge the OVA or Sonic X anymore >Japanese Sonic? Not so much. He flirts in the various manga (and even had his own groupies in the first one!) and had the hots for Sara in the OVA and Elise in 06. You could also argue there was some romantic attraction between him and Blaze in the Rush games. Obviously he flirts more with Knuckles in every continuity except the OVA (they're both into Sara) and Underground (Knuckles kisses and dates Sonic's sister instead) [/spoiler] >>12174 In CD he had a cool design, was a genuine threat and had a similar personality to Sonic. Heroes built on this by making him a world ending threat that outsmarted Eggman, thinks he's the real Sonic and had a cool T-1000 liquid metal body. Now he's just a silent jobber with no personality and it sucks
>>12178 Huh. I guess the spoilers don't work across multiple lines if there's a quote in the middle. At least the one that broke didn't have any movie spoilers in it!
>>12176 Damn, Sonic sure is lucky, he gets Amy and Surge. Two girls literally made for him.
>>12179 I don't get the problem people have with the tarot cards. It's just another tool she can use like her hammer, and being the magic one gives her another angel to work with. Honestly I'm not a fan of her movie hammer being mechanical looking, it should have always been a magic squeaky hammer. If only the writers would do something, anything with her.
>mass produced metal Sonic >Metal Sonic not jobbing >Metal Sonic ever being comparable to Metal Sonic. This level of delusion could only come from one person, is that you Metal?
>>12181 They're explicitly dating in the Tamersverse (i.e., the one true canon), but it was more implied in the original show. Their kiss is the last time we see knuckles, but we don't see Sonia flirt with anyone else in the final 10 episodes. If it hadn't been canceled, the next season would've had more episodes with Knuckles and more focus on their relationship >>12185 >spoiler I'm fine with it being something she can do, but it's not enough to be a primary personality trait now that they've removed the Sonic obsession. Even Boom Amy had multiple interests (arts and crafts, interior decorating, fuzzy puppy buddies, local politics/activism, obsessing over Sonic). I just don't like that she can turn her tarot cards into a car. At least give her a whole set of stage magician powers! >>12186 lmao. That's the problem, she's went from boy-crazy as a hobby to a given up on boys spinster hobby >>12187 That Metal Sonic's a jobber
>>12190 I think the easiest solution is that Amy just learned over time that being too direct will just make Sonic scared and flee due to his fear of commitment. So she still tries to come onto him, just not as forcefully.
>>12191 TLDR: I get bored easily and Tamers produces something completely unique and absolutely compelling at a rate that puts every animation studio to shame
It's a lot of reasons really. I'm genuinely a fan of Sonic Underground, particularly its retro-scifi aesthetic and sense of progression (there's much more focus on continuity and progression than SatAM). Not to mention best boys Sleet and Dingo! I've been a fan of Tamers ever since I caught this video around 8 years ago: Sonic the Hedgehog watches his lover, Bartleby dunk some balls. I liked the unrepentant enthusiasm for the ship and the unique artstyle of pasting MS Paint drawings over stock photo backgrounds and had to see more. After watching the more episodic Sonic the Hedgehog - Great Cereal Crisis I was hooked. The comfy slice of life drama paired with over the top anime fights and early 00s Internet humor is extremely compelling and I think a lot of people just get filtered by the fart jokes and TTS voices.
I also like that despite the often bizarre and violent world the characters live in, the relationships are all written with care and a sense of realism that's genuinely better than anything you'll find in mainstream media. Knuckles and Sonia's relationship is extremely cute, but has a lot of ups and downs, with a common thread of them both trying to work out the sort of people they want to be, which causes them to drift apart as much as it draws them closer together. Aleena is a woman plagued with guilt and regret, having gone from Queen of Mobius to working class suburban mom trying to raise 3 strangers that are almost adults, all without the man she loves more than anything.
Sleet and Dingo are obviously my favorites. Mainstream media is terrified of showing anything but happy out and proud gays that never face any real discrimination and are essentially perfect. Sleet and Dingo constantly bicker and even betray each other despite loving each other dearly. They've been together for a long time, but until recently Sleet was still in the closet so they would fight whenever Dingo publicly expressed affection. This out x closeted relationship would've been resolved with Sleet coming out at the end of the episode if it was a mainstream show, but that's just not how real life works. Spoilers for how it was resolved: Sleet was in the closet for so long because he was almost murdered and gang raped when Dingo outed him in high school. Dingo did save him, but he never really got over it. It wasn't until he'd seen Sonic and Bartleby be affectionate in public, had a talk with Sonic about it, and had to defend Dingo's life that he was able to feel comfortable with himself. Importantly, he never actually makes a big public declaration that he's gay, just that Dingo is his and that he'll keep him safe
Also, Tamers doesn't hate Sonic. He hates modern Sonic. He's fine with the classic games, AoStH and SatAM, but doesn't bother with them since it's time that could be spent watching Sonic Underground
>>12195 I'm kinda surprised we've not seen anything like that in the Sonic franchise before. Mephiles does build himself up from a bunch of smaller shadows in his boss fight with Shadow, but we haven't even seen Badniks combine to make a larger robot. Eggman's probably a massive weeb so you'd think that's the first thing he'd build
>>12200 I still maintain more people would like Silver if Evan didn't poison his character with fluffiness. Vulture!Silver is unironically much closer to his actual characterization than IDW's Uwuver
>>12201 I'll be honest in that I hate all forms and iterations of Silver with the deepest bile in my belly but he's very much a character that feels like they don't know what to do with or how he's meant to be and is there out of obligation more then anything.
https://www.deviantart.com/piplup88908/art/We-re-back-1128185335 Chaos Sonic Comic, the comic with multiple endings but the canon one is when Sonic goes evil and dies and Sally and Amy become a couple, is coming back! Some pages were posted but I'll wait until it's done before posting it.
>>12202 Fair enough. Sometimes a character just rubs you the wrong way. I do agree that they've got no idea what to do with him. He was supposed to have his debut game in 07 but after 06 bombed it obviously got cancelled. The only evidence we have of it was his VA putting it on his resume so they did get far enough to record lines. My guess is it would've solidified him and Blaze's roles in the franchise. Blaze's gameplay is suspiciously better working than Sonic's in 06 so she was likely going to be a playable character along with Silver. There really is a massive void around those two characters and a canceled game where they explore Blare's world would explain a lot >>12204 lmao, I love how annoyed Iizuka gets when someone asks if they're related. I agree about Shadow, but Silver's only nice in the comics. He's a cocky prick in Team Sonic Racing. Here's some of his more zesty lines: >Great! I'll take it! >I won't let you slow me down! >Let's show these guys some Ultimate power! >Make way for the superior team! >Move it! >No defense against Ultimate Power! >That wasn't very smart, Tails! >Unf! We were allies once, Shadow! >You'll wish you never challenged us! >Back off, Shadow! >>12205 Best girl (robot) >>12209 Fact check: true! >>12212 Nice! The multiple endings thing was a lot of fun, and having Nicky be triplets with Manic and Sonia was an interesting twist. I don't think it was ever resolved whether Nicky was Sonic reincarnating himself >>12213 That's going to make a perfect banner for the website! >>12216 We were robbed of so much creepy and cool shit with Phage ;_; >>12223 Everyone always talks about Olivia Wilde (and for good reason!), but Garrett Hedlund was so hot in that
>>12215 >>12216 I like these mobianized robots, Neo Metal is especially sick here, it would be a great design for Neo Metal Sonic 2 since the design really looks like someone who wants to be Sonic but cooler, but is actually Sonic but lamer.
>>12228 >someone who wants to be Sonic but cooler, but is actually Sonic but lamer That's an absolutely perfect description of Metal. Sonic never tries to be cool, he's just a guy that loves adventure so his coolness is unintentional and effortless. Metal's so preoccupied with trying to be Sonic but cooler he's completely oblivious to everything else and keeps making the dumbest mistakes. In CD he copies Sonic's cool poses and spends the entire race showing off his own cool moves only to get trash compacted at the end because Sonic just focused on the race. In Heroes he tries to beat Sonic at friendship by copying the abilities of Sonic's friends, only for Sonic to share his super transformation with his friends and them to beat up Metal as a team. Metal only has himself to blame for being such an absolute joke and that's why he's one of my favorite characters
>>12231 It's the best descriptor for Metal since he tries to be Sonic. Shadow is something like a mid point between Vegeta and Piccolo while Silver is just kind of there. Meanwhile Surge is just a mentally ill woman who likes attention and wants to have fight-sex with Sonic.
>>12201 Silver's well was poisoned before Evan. >>12227 The issue with Silver is that everything about him is very contrived. He's the combination of Knuckles/Blaze's contrivances to appear in a story but worse. A short term character that they want to stretch indefinitely. This is why they don't know what to do with him so often, he's not built for it.
>>12227 I genuinely wish Blaze's world got more use since we've had Silver slurp up spotlight and his setting milked for all it's worth while Blaze has gotten scraps and is barely relevant in any of the comic adaptions, prime would've been perfect for her to appear but that show also really became tiresome on season 2.
It's been forever since watched Tron Legacy, I've also not seen Trong Uprising beyond Paige being fuckable and clips of Tesler being an awesome villain with good ol Lance Henrickson as his VA, that guy instantly elevates any bad guy
>>12247 I don't get the rush really, they already missed the year of Shadow so they can't do any tie ins, there's already a Japanese SonicXShadow tie in. As well as pushing the Rogues for the tie in with the next racing game. So maybe they're just rushing to a new status quo and time speak for post Frontiers, although that would make Surge look even more pathetic as by that time Sonic and Shadow both would have 2 transformations. Super Sonic 2 and Super+Doom Shadow. Since his winged Doom form is treated like a Super transformation it's probably his SS1 equivalent now, and he goes Super while in Winged Doom form, only he doesn't get a color change now, which is lame. Not to mention that Sonic and Shadow get stronger in between games and are already much more powerful then their base selves which boxed perfect chaos and metal overlord. Honestly Surge is pretty hard to take as a threat, even if she has 'hurt' Sonic, just because we haven't been given a good reason to think of her as a threat. There's a reason Toriyama's editor kept riding his ass about the androids until me made Cell. In a bright side this stuff makes me fired up to write even more fanfiction lol.
>>12248 I'm reminded of a Roger Ebert quote about the film North: "There is an idiocy here that seems almost intentional, as if the filmmakers plotted to leave anything of interest or entertainment value out of these episodes."
IDW is like that. It's like the writers are intentionally putting out the most boring, low-effort shit imaginable.
>>12249 >Shadow I honestly shudder to think what'll happen to him in future issues, given how IDW has portrayed him so far. I want to believe that he'll be written better after SonicXShadow Generations, but IDW has never been anything but a disappointment.
>Honestly Surge is pretty hard to take as a threat, Exactly. She jobs about as often as IDW Shadow has. It's like nobody in the comic is allowed to be intelligent or badass except for Sonic and Eggman.
>In a bright side this stuff makes me fired up to write even more fanfiction lol. Honestly, the past 14 years of media have really changed my opinion on fanfiction. I used to hate fanfic, but after seeing IDW Sonic, the MCU, the DCEU, the Star Wars sequels, all the shitty sequels to 80s franchises, the Hobbit trilogy, and so on I really can't honestly say that fanfic writers are any worse than the professionals are. They're honestly better in some cases. So go write to your heart's content; it can't be any worse than what the "pros" are shitting out.
>>12231 lmao, they're all some of my favorite characters! Well, Surge is kinda trash in the comics but actually interesting in fan works >>12232 I wish they'd stop writing Shadow as a humorless grump. Even Piccolo and Vegeta crack the occasional joke >Scourge is just a mentally ill man who likes attention and wants to have fight-sex with Sonic And that's why he's the best! >>12233 Highlights: >that sonic on the cover, unf! >tumble resting his head on rough >duo in his cute riding gear >sonic (in his cute riding gear) engaging in elder abuse >kit being creepy >rough and tumble being adorable retards >rough on tumble's back >amy, surge and jet all wanting to fuck sonic >the artist sneaking in a naked rabbit lady in the background of page 22 >sonic and jet flirting >diamond cutters jobbing to best boy mimic >silver's garden getting crushed
Lowlights: >another decompressed slog of a story >the writers thinking old man clutch is a serious threat. he's named after a strapless handbag ffs >surge's lightning powers making it look like she's crying >the writers thinking we care about the gay birds >no knuckles ;_; >sneaking in silver's sisters from gotf when we'll never get a conclusion >belle
So are Rough and Tumble good guys now? With Clutch out of the picture Eggman's the only villain left
Lien-Da is going to be fun. >>12227 >Nice! The multiple endings thing was a lot of fun, and having Nicky be triplets with Manic and Sonia was an interesting twist. I don't think it was ever resolved whether Nicky was Sonic reincarnating himself Maybe in the comments or character asks although I haven't checked. >That's going to make a perfect banner for the website! Once the page goes public you can take the text free version and do it if you want.
>>12235 >Silver's well was poisoned before Evan. Agreed, but she's ground zero for uwuver >The issue with Silver is that everything about him is very contrived Honestly any character can be compelling in the hands of the right writer and we certainly didn't get that for Silver. He's got Sonic's act first, think never attitude but without his emotional intelligence, Knuckles' stubbornness and gullibility but without his sense of duty and specialist knowledge, and Shadow's cool powers and tragic backstory but without his own Maria o center him. All this along with his zesty personality should make him a very unpredictable and versatile character, but they just do nothing with it. Even something as simple as him being a psychic that's as dumb as a bag of rocks could lead to some interesting stories >>12237 Even Silver's future is barely touched on outside of 06. We know it's terrible in Rivals, but peaceful in all the other games. I agree about Blaze though. We need a 3d game where she's a major character so we can finally see more of her world. Prime would have been a great place to explore it. I'm still mad they didn't just treat it as a love letter to the wider franchise and have Sonic and friends visit a different continuity for a few episodes Sliders-style and give the fans a satisfying conclusion to the ova, SatAM, X, Boom and Underground.
Tron Uprising was surprisingly good, highly recommend. There's like a dozen VAs in it that I absolutely love. It's even got Frodo and 7 of 9 from Star Trek! I'm looking forward to Tron Ares. It's got Jared Leto (aka best Joker), Evan Peters (best boy from American Horror Story) and Gillian Anderson (from the X-files)
>>12246 It's a shame Nintendo doesn't do separate portable game consoles anymore >>12248 >I have to go now. My planet needs me >Note: Clutch died on the way to his home planet I can't believe Clutch was an alien! >>12249 >In a bright side this stuff makes me fired up to write even more fanfiction lol. I unironically believe IDW is doing a good job if it causes more people to make fan works >>12252 >It's like the writers are intentionally putting out the most boring, low-effort shit imaginable. To be fair, SoJ did want them to work more closely with Sonic Team, and they're the masters of that! Sonadow Generations is absolute trash and I'm still mad about it. Even the music's a downgrade. It's literally the only Sonic game I CBF finishing, and I've completed 06 and Rise of Lyric! >Honestly, the past 14 years of media have really changed my opinion on fanfiction I've been a fan of fanfics since I was a kid, mostly because it was the only place I could see same-sex romance. It's a shame it gets such a bad reputation, since a lot of it's genuinely better written than most mainstream media. 100% agree on recent media. The Hobbit and LotR are some of my favorite books, and was so relieved the LotR films turned out so great but the Hobbit was just terrible and pointlessly stretched out. Same with Star Wars. I'm a prequels apologist and I just found the sequel films overproduced and boring. I hear the shows and comics are pretty good though, and I did love Star Wars Visions. >>12260 Lien-Da and Surge have been so much fun >Maybe in the comments or character asks although I haven't checked. That makes sense >Once the page goes public you can take the text free version and do it if you want. That's what I was planning to do! I'm also planning on fixing the code so I can actually archive /sssr/ again. Fingers crossed I can remember how the code works ;_;
>>12261 >Sonadow Generations is absolute trash and I'm still mad about it. Really? I only played the Shadow and I thought it was preddy gud just really short and too much highway. I didn't pay attention to the dialogue LOL NGL I would like you to explain in autistic detail why... Because I love reading your long wall of texts prequel gigachad
Once again I'm interested in 𝕏 discourse. Some people really enjoying Lanolin realizing she fucked up and now they want everyone to shit on her for it. And there are those that feel like she made a mistake and should be forgiven. And there's talk about how Mimic did such a good job he made everyone online hate Lanolin more than him. >>12261 >Lien-Da and Surge have been so much fun Love bad girls so much.
>>12262 lmao I'm glad someone enjoys reading them! I actually skipped the Sonic/Classic Sonic parts since I've already played them and would just get mad at the dialog changes. I did find it funny they were so bad at making the changes it's now canon Knuckles is angry at Sonic for eating his island though
As for the Shadow part, I found the soundtrack remixes genuinely terrible. I can forgive a lot of things in a Sonic game (buggy gameplay, short/boring levels, bizarre overcorrections to appease non-fans, a lack of Sonic and Knuckles kissing) but Sonic games are supposed to have excellent music. A lot of these tracks had been remixed before (the Biolizard fight music sounds great in 3DS Generations, as do the remixes in the Shadow DLC for Forces) so they had no excuse. I'm not a music expert, but the tracks just sounded off, or had really weird style choices. That wistful and melancholy piano track from Frontiers getting sped up and dubstepped was a crime. Also, they removed Right There, Ride On ;_;
The levels were fine, but nowhere near the expansiveness and ambition of the original Generations levels. Generations had the best level design of any boost game by far and we didn't get that here. They remade dozens of levels from 3d Sonic games in Frontiers so it's not like they're out of practice
Gameplay was a huge letdown for me. They have the code for the combat-oriented Frontiers-style gameplay and yet we're back to Forces/Generations physics inside the levels again. They did let Shadow use the Forces gameplaay in the hub world but his combat's far worse than Frontiers!Sonic. It was genuinely more fun to play as Shadow in 06!
What disappointed me most was the Alex Mercer Doom™ Powers™. Shadow doesn't need wings, he's already got rocket boots and the ability to teleport, and he doesn't need to turn into a tentacle monster, there's plenty of smut about that already (seriously, there's at least 3 high quality doujins/fan comics about that). The real reason they're doing this is classic Sonic Team overcorrection
StH got criticized for having poor vehicle controls, and while they were fine in 06, the game was a flop so they're afraid to touch on those gameplay elements. They've tried to smuggle the vehicle sections back in with the doom powers, but ironically the controls for them are absolutely terrible. I actually gave up on the game when you have to fly up to the big floating eyeball in the hub world because the controls were such unintuitive dogshit
The whole premise of the plot was misguided imo. I get that Generations is a game that looks back on previous events in the franchise, but to go with the most predictable "Doom's back and trying to control Shadow again while shadow broods over Muh-Ria" was lame. At least switch things up and have Shadow pull Gerald and Maria into the present. Cause some actual change to the status quo! I did at least like the part where Rouge and Shadow switch out Sonic's emerald
I'm also not happy they shrank Rouge's breasts and covered up more of her cleavage. I may not be into the ladies, but she's one of my favorite characters. I love her confident femme fatale vibe and think it sends the wrong message that a person can't be both competent and sexy. Also, they covered up her back so now her wings clip through her clothes, which is such a rookie design mistake
>>12264 I just hope it allows her to be more like ABT's take on the character >𝕏 discourse Finally someone else is having fun with unicode symbols! >Love bad girls so much. They're the superior choice! Comics are supposed to be fun (take notes IDW!) and a guaranteed way to inject a sense of fun into the story is for the villains to have an absolute blast being degenerate gremlins. Having Kit, Maw and Kragok being the straight man to the more exuberant Surge, Starline and Lien-Da really helps make them shine I do hope Regina shows up sometime
>>12265 > it's now canon Knuckles is angry at Sonic for eating his island though Lol those dialogue changes are cancer. This is why I actually don't want a SA1/SA2 Remaster/Remake. We will get monkey pawed hard.
I won't lie I really hated the new biohazard mix and I did find the new OST underwhelming.
I getchya, I'll add that I wish we got more variety for the Shadow levels.
Woah, I'll have you know Sonic Team is a small Indie company, please understand. [spoiler]I'll never forgive them for fucking up the original hedgehog engine they had for unleashed, It was perfect. [/spoiler]
But they look so cool....but from a narrative perspective don't make much sense when you remember black arms really wasn't a thing during SA2
Lol I fucking hated using the wings I turned that shit off ASAP
You mean you don't like MUHRIAH for the 900th time? Also it just felt like Maria and Gerald did nothing for the whole game, they just stand in one area and don't interact with anyone else...like why?
[spoiler]Um sorry, can't have sexy big booba in current year. You WILL bend the knee to DEI and Sweet Baby Inc. Seriously why the fuck is the game industry like this? no one likes this shit fucking STOP. [/spoiler]
>>12261 >I unironically believe IDW is doing a good job if it causes more people to make fan works At the very least, getting a lot of fanworks means people like the premise or the characters from whatever they're making a fanwork of. Just looking at ao3, there are 2252 Sonic IDW fics with 644 and 633 being Whisper and Tangle respectively, 368 being Surge. Searching by other and genre tags gets us around 586 total works in the hurt/comfort/angst triangle with 200~ of them being Whisper, 190~ of those works being Tangle, and around 100~ of them being Surge. There are 313, Canon Divergence or more story focused fics, with 118 of them having Whisper, 107 of them being Tangle, and 102 of them having Surge in them. Surge being less popular isn't surprising, she came out in the third year of publication and Imposter Syndrome led into the fourth year of publication. Whisper and Tangle being more popular for their uwu lesbians thing isn't surprising, even if Whisper does just bring Tangle down. That's kind of just what happens to lesbian couples in male dominated franchises But Surge seems to be pretty popular for more story based fics, about a third of all fics with Surge in them are story based and a third of all story based fics involve Surge despite her being half as popular as the next two IDW characters individually. Although none of that is really surprising.
>>12264 That X user has a point, but it's more of a symptom of a bigger issue with tone and how violence is portrayed in different genres. Sonic, especially in the games is very shounen. So attempted acts of murder are brushed off rather easily, especially if a person looks like they're going to try better moving forward. Just look at all of Sonic's friends, they've all tried to kill him except for Tails, and Eggman in SA2s ending. I think no matter what it needs to be not swept under the rug and have them just all forgive each other, Lanolin needs to change in response to this or it's just a nothing burger of a plot. Honestly I think about any direction could be good as long as it's written competently and Lanolin struggles. >hate Lanolin more than him. I don't think Mimic should hate Lanolin, if anything she's a huge help so he should like her.
>>12259 >So are Rough and Tumble good guys now? With Clutch out of the picture Eggman's the only villain left Honestly he's the only one who won, it's in his best interest that the Restoration and Clutch wipe each other out and working with him was dumb in the first place. Sonic just got luckily this didn't backfire more and both Lanolin and Surge would be justified in being mad at him, especially Surge since the same Sonic who talked down to her is just being buddy-buddy with Eggman. Although really this is Clutch's fault for being an idiot, and also a bit of Surge's and Kit's for not slapping his idiotic plan down when they first met him.
>>12266 >I just hope it allows her to be more like ABT's take on the character That version of the character is too interesting to be in the comic and I doubt Evan would like to write her that way. >Regina We're still in phase 1 and she's likely going to be a phase 3 or at best late phase 2 character. HOWEVER I'll tell you that your favorite character will be making his debut after this current Knuckles arc is concluded. >>12269 >I don't think Mimic should hate Lanolin, if anything she's a huge help so he should like her. I meant Mimic making people online hate her because of how he fooled her.
>>12267 CERO & The ESRB. Example, You know how Smash when introducing a character or cross promotion go "Smash Bros. X Kingdom Hearts" for example? Apparently, even acknowledging a M-Rated title can fuck with the ratings: that's why we got silly ass "Smash X DANTE" in North America. >>12269 IDW is another case of missed potential in this franchise. >>12261 Silver was at best during Pre-Boot Archie: Well Meaning Fuck Up Who's Trying to Fuck Up Less.
>>12270 So Tails if Krillian, Knuckles is Piccolo, Shadow is Vegeta, Sonic is Goku. Who does that make Infinite and Mephalies? At the very least the androids are Surge and Kit. which kinda make me curious about what a Tails/Surge kid would look like?
>>12261 >Sonadow Generations is absolute trash I'm sorry man, that sucks. I was actually planning on getting that. I should've known better than to think some nostalgia remix of a pre-existing game would be worthwhile.
>the Hobbit was just terrible and pointlessly stretched out The Hobbit is literally my favorite ever fantasy book, and the movies are some of the worst I've seen in theaters. The third one in particular is basically just one long CGI fight scene. It's excruciating.
>I hear the shows and comics are pretty good though, and I did love Star Wars Visions. I've thought about trying to watch the shows, but it's just hard for me to care about what happens now that Luke and Han and the OT cast are dead. I never thought that any of the other Star Wars media had a set of main characters as compelling as Luke, Han, and Leia.
>>12279 I'm glad IDW didn't get overtaken down by the year of Shadow. He gets enough as is, and we don't need another comic getting interrupted by a fad.
>>12284 My schizo theory is that Paramount gave him a big fat check for Live and Learn and maybe he realised just how badly he got fucked over by SEGA. Also didn't Jun Senoue also contribute to the song so he would also have some copyright over it?
Either way we are probably getting another Hunnid-p situation.
From /sthg/: >I have no comment other than my desire to maintain the preservation of a long standing beautiful relationship with Sega,” Gioeli told Polygon. “I do not want fans to draw conclusions or be disrupted from the beautiful memories we have made collectively with this music. I believe and hope we will come to a peaceful settlement that will be fair and just.” >btw I want my fucking $500,000, bitch
But to be serious, I genuinely hope this doesn’t go down the route of Dreams Come True, Hunnid-P, etc. and this is settled quickly and Gioeli’s reputation is not too damaged from this.
>>12279 Looks like Shadow has the missing chaos emerald so it's almost certainly the Black Arms somehow, especially with the Sonadow tie in. Although I'm unfamiliar with Phegley, all his Sonic stuff so far looks to be movie adaptations. He's a kids writer that works with Scholastic as well as IDW. Also re retwetted picrel, anyways he seems to be a casual fan of Sonic who only got into writing Sonic stuff latter in life after he already became a children's graphic novel author.
>>12298 I was talking more so from fans but yeah it's worse in story suppose since if they bitch so much about it then do it yourself instead of seething
Someone just posted this on 4chan. How can the podcast exist if it can't be about answering questions about Sonic? Isn't that the point? I never really listened to a whole episode so I don't know if they answer non-Sonic stuff.
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Page 14 https://mobiuscomics.com
The tricky thing is keeping this ruse going without Knuckles finding out that Eggman’s been fooling him. It helps that AI Sally has been carefully manipulating everything. I always think about how in Sonic 3, Eggman is building bases, burning the jungle, filling the entire island with killer robots, and Knuckles is going after Sonic the entire time like he’s the one messing up the place. Gotta stop the guy defending himself and freeing trapped animals because he’s obviously after the Master Emerald! Oh well. That’s not the case in these comics. Knuckles isn’t that dumb in this. But between this and his comic, he might have trouble trusting anyone in the future.
>>12302 I guess we can say goodbye to the fabled lost hedgehog tales as well if the guy is willing to go this far just to appease Sega. I still cant take in the idea that they took control of an unaffiliated podcast like that. Its like they are treating Ian as an influencer who should have everything media related under their supervision.
Oh no... >>12303 Yeah I can't see it continuing or even still get questions. >>12305 I remember seeing posts asking how Ian was able to talk about Sonic and Sega with seemingly no filter and getting away with it. I know some were hoping he'd get fired instead. >>12307 Yeah. No matter how much you can imagine Eggman lying his ass off and reassuring Knuckles, there's no way he should be fine with any of it.
>>12300 I like my recurring villains and feel fans/writers can neglect them so it's very annoying how disposable fans want them to be cause of normalising or weird karma porn
>>12312 Aye was hoping Infinite could've slotted in as recurring but he's dead, Fang is classic exclusive apparently, Metal Sonic is an extension of Dr Eggman by being one of his creations and most the other villains are dead in the end of their debut, suppose why was happy Black Doom came back and had a decent role since got soft spot for that guy since Shadow is nostalgic to me even if I know it's not a good game.
>>12299 I don't think it's always a bad thing in story, but the problem is when it comes of as the characters have an out of universe argument causing them to act stupid. Of course there's nothing wrong with characters being stupid, but then there have to be consequences o their stupid actions and they need to change or at least think about what they're doing.
>>12309 Cool, Scrapnik island guy is back. He does come off a a bit obnoxious from time to time, but Scrapnik island wasn't bad. That said the deadly six are pretty lame, so I just hope he pulls a JoeAdok and manages to make them interesting.
>>12313 No idea why Fang is classic exclusive, although he is another Eggman lackey. At least Fang the Hunter showed that the Hooligans really did break up, although that means Bark and Bean are free to appear elsewhere so why haven't they?
<3 😈 >>12315 >That said the deadly six are pretty lame, so I just hope he pulls a JoeAdok and manages to make them interesting. I would assume he also has the greenlight to make his own zeti. Daddiizuka is just waiting for someone to take him up on his offer.
>>12267 >This is why I actually don't want a SA1/SA2 Remaster/Remake. We will get monkey pawed hard. 100% this. Unlike Sega, fans have fixed the lighting engine in the PC versions of SA1 and 2, so they're the only ones that deserve to do a remake >I won't lie I really hated the new biohazard mix and I did find the new OST underwhelming. It was so bad, especially after they actually cleaned up the mixing in 3DS Generations so you could actually hear the lyrics >I'll never forgive them for fucking up the original hedgehog engine they had for unleashed, It was perfect. Unleashed was great, and the lighting engine alone was a decade ahead of its time. My only complaint was the QTEs but they thankfully removed them in Generations. For me Generations was the perfect iteration of boost Sonic and nothing comes close to its level layouts. What we really needed instead of Generations was an Unleashed 2 that had the same quality level design, but with new levels and the sense of ambition Unleashed had >Lol I fucking hated using the wings I turned that shit off ASAP They're so bad ;_; >MUHRIAH If they're going to include her, at least do something interesting. Have her and Gerald build a device that weakens Doom, or have them take advantage of the time shenanigans to avoid their own deaths. They're Robotniks, it's their job to cheat death! >Um sorry, can't have sexy big booba in current year. It honestly reminds me of when FPSs were chasing the muh realism fad and made everything brown and bland. People want spectacle, they want larger than life characters doing cool stuff that could never happen in real life, and they want to be the ones doing it. Honestly the whole nerfing Rouge thing is tantamount to slut shaming. She's supposed to be sexy and much like Catwoman, makes a conscious choice to use her looks to her advantage by dressing provocatively. It's as much a tool in her arsenal as her bombs or ability to fly. That said, I welcome these parasitic initiatives to suck all the fun out of gaming because I want the AAA industry to burn. Indie games (generally) do not have this problem and I'd rather see them succeed
>>12269 >At the very least, getting a lot of fanworks means people like the premise or the characters from whatever they're making a fanwork of. That's what's so great about fanworks, they're free to keep things as is and just write more stories in the setting, or they can take characters they feel don't really get to shine and transform them into something interesting. Vulture!Silver's easily my favorite take on the character because he diverges so far from the mainstream interpretation, but Scourge from Eternal Blackout is my favorite take on him because he keeps so close to the Archie version. >those stats Wow, the fans really do like writing their uwu lesbians! Personally, if I had to write a lesbian couple in IDW it'd be Surge and Amy. They've both got that obsessive love/hate for Sonic and it'd be cool to see them get over it by realizing he's not that important >I don't think Mimic should hate Lanolin, if anything she's a huge help so he should like her. I think they should date! >Honestly he's the only one who won, it's in his best interest that the Restoration and Clutch wipe each other out and working with him was dumb in the first place. It was kinda weird they had Eggman swoop in at the last minute and completely steal everyone else's thunder. Still, I can't complain about Clutch being out of the picture
>>12270 >That version of the character is too interesting to be in the comic and I doubt Evan would like to write her that way. Yeah, she'd completely overshadow almost every other character and Ean clearly doesn't like writing jaded characters >spoiler 1 Still on the table! >spoiler 2 Plap fucking plap! Seriously though, I'm genuinely excited to see your take on him >>12272 It's such an ass-pull. They could've made it interesting and made Mephiles the main villain. Dude's probably the real creator of the Time Eater anyway >>12274 I like the slow burn, it's super cute And it's not like we're not getting side-story smut of them >>12275 >Apparently, even acknowledging a M-Rated title can fuck with the ratings Really? lmao >Silver was at best during Pre-Boot Archie: Well Meaning Fuck Up Who's Trying to Fuck Up Less. I did enjoy that version of him, even if it did start to get more uwu towards the end. IDW!Silver's just completely trash aside from his crush on Whisper and Espio >>12277 When you think about it, Bartleby is the true Ultimate Lifeform
>>12317 >Wow, the fans really do like writing their uwu lesbians! Personally, if I had to write a lesbian couple in IDW it'd be Surge and Amy. They've both got that obsessive love/hate for Sonic and it'd be cool to see them get over it by realizing he's not that important If we expand the search for Surge beyond IDW, giving us the total of 517 Surge fics, and then look at the relationships tab the top 10 relationships are and then remove the non-Surge options. >Platonic Surge and Kit (151) >Romantic Amy and Surge (59) >Platonic Sonic and Surge (30) >Romantic Surge and Jewel(26) >Romantic Sonic and Surge (17) So you wouldn't be alone, Amy and Surge is the most popular Surge romantic pairing. No idea why Surge and Jewel are that high, but it beats out Surge/Sonic despite that being the pairing I see the most fanart for by none. So there' so there's obvious selection bias here, but I think the general point I made still stands.
>>12319 Lol IDW Eggman needed a new bitch, I bet he would love Stone.
>>12278 >I'm sorry man, that sucks. I was actually planning on getting that. I guess it's nice to have a version of Generations to play on the Switch, but I wouldn't recommend it otherwise. I guess I shouldn't have had such high hopes for a nostalgia-bait remix of a game that was already remixed nostalgia-bait >The Hobbit is literally my favorite ever fantasy book, and the movies are some of the worst I've seen in theaters. The third one in particular is basically just one long CGI fight scene. It's excruciating. It's such a good book! I loved flipping back to the map and trying to work out where the characters were. I gave up after the first one so I was thankfully spared the CGI snooze-fest. It was probably the barrel scene that did me in >I've thought about trying to watch the shows, but it's just hard for me to care about what happens now that Luke and Han and the OT cast are dead. I never thought that any of the other Star Wars media had a set of main characters as compelling as Luke, Han, and Leia. Same. I absolutely loved those characters and the idea that the end of the original trilogy is the last time those three are ever truly happy, or even in each other's company is just too much to bear. I do't care what anyone says, they saved the galaxy and deserved a happy ending. >>12281 Beat me to it. I hate that I'm actually interested even though I know it's IDW >>12284 >he was paid $3,000 by Sega in 2001 to write the lyrics for the then-untitled song that would eventually become “Live and Learn.” Fucking hell, Sega really are atrocious. Obviously he knew the song was used in other things, but good luck to him anyway. Unlike Sega he actually likes Sonic and Sonic fans >>12287 >Paramount gave him a big fat check for Live and Learn They 100% did >and maybe he realised just how badly he got fucked over by SEGA. Yeah, that's my conclusion too. He's probably been payed more by Paramount for Sonic 3 than his entire career with Sega >>12288 Given how badly Sega shat the bed with Sonadow Generations, I'd say Gioeli's done us a massive favor >>12290 >Hunnid-P lmao, now I'm imagining him and Naka being cellmates >>12296 >Some of them have never really done a comic before. Gotta get them while they're still naïve to the workings of comic publishers! IDW seriously want to bring down the total cost of a page to $200. That's writing AND art and under 50k a year in total for IDW Sonic! >>12302 I mean, the comic's been without Sonic for ages so it's not without precedent! >>12304 I choose to interpret that shadow on Knuckles' muzzle as him blushing! >I always think about how in Sonic 3, Eggman is building bases, burning the jungle, filling the entire island with killer robots, and Knuckles is going after Sonic the entire time like he’s the one messing up the place. Knuckles never actually sees Eggman's robots cause destruction. As far as he's concerned Sonic started that fire. It doesn't come up much (since everyone already knows he's evil), but Eggman's a master manipulator and had enough knowledge of the Dragon Egg prophecy (from Gerald's journals) to BS his way into getting Knuckles to agree to let him build Launch Base to restore the Death Egg and to send out robot patrols to hunt down Sonic (Carnival Night Zone was likely already there on the island). Knuckles literally thinks it's his sacred duty to get the "Dragon Egg" up and off his island before another world-ending disaster occurs >>12305 >I guess we can say goodbye to the fabled lost hedgehog tales He's been holding that over fans' heads for years (I suspect so he could milk Archie questions on his podcast) >>12309 It'd be fine if they just took his Xitter away
>>12324 >I suspect so he could milk Archie questions on his podcast Oh definitely. And now he will problaby come up with a "Sega doesnt let him" excuse to not release it.
THE MOVIE WAS AMAZING!!! It was super good, easily the best one yet >Gerald did not create Shadow >Shadow landed in Oklahoma >He arrived in what looked like a Black Arms pod >Gerald lead the research with bringing Maria with him, who does not have a sickness >Maria and Shadow's friendship is the best rendition of it >Maria is a skater hence his skates >She died from a chaos energy storage exploding from a stray bullet >Stone is explicitly gay this time >Sonic and Shadow parallelism is shown throughout the entire movie >The same happens with Eggman and Gerald, plays into what was set up during the first >Sonic redeems Shadow on the moon which feels straight out of a Sonadow fanfiction >Sonic is the one who falls to Earth >EGGMAN FUCKING KILLS GERALD LMAO and saves the world >It ends with setting the terminator Metallix army, Amy, and reveals Shadow survived the explosion in space Go watch it, it's really good
>realize the spoiler tags were malformed so I copy my post to the clipboard before deleting it >it doesn't paste I fucking hate computers sometimes ;_;
>>12259 >belle Such an oddly lame character, while I think her concept is nice, she's really misplaced in the story. Eggman first appears as Mister Tinker in issue #5 in may of 2018, and is turned back into Eggman in issue #12 of January 2019, while Belle makes her first proper appearance in issue #34 of November 2020. If she was going to be included in the comic, she should have been in it from the beginning as someone who would vouch for Mr Tinker and conflict with Metal and Starline. I do like her and Eggman's encounter in issue #56, although him dismissing Belle as clingy feels out oc character since this is the same man who in the same comic thinks of Metal as a son. But the other part of the encounter where he expresses pride in her and offers her a place by her side, but accepts her rejection feels very nice and in character. It's just everything leading up to that, up to and including the panels before he says that, feels off. The idea of Eggman not liking Belle due to her pursuing Mr Tinker is one that I like, but I think Ian gets it wrong when it comes to Eggman's reasoning. He shouldn't have a problem with her being clingy, instead his problem should have been her not loving Eggman as a father for who he is, and instead loving a lobotomized, inoffensive, and docile version of himself. Which Belle would then counter by trying to argue why Eggman should be good, even if he isn't Mr Tinker, but then Eggman would tell her what he told Starline about how he loves what he does and how he doesn't want anything else. That and she's too wishy-washy, both her and Eggman should have left a little bit let down because either of them weren't able to convince the other to join the good/evil side respectively, but at the same time both of them respecting each other for the choice they made even if they don't agree with it.
>>12324 >Knuckles never actually sees Eggman's robots cause destruction. As far as he's concerned Sonic started that fire. It doesn't come up much (since everyone already knows he's evil), but Eggman's a master manipulator and had enough knowledge of the Dragon Egg prophecy (from Gerald's journals) to BS his way into getting Knuckles to agree to let him build Launch Base to restore the Death Egg and to send out robot patrols to hunt down Sonic (Carnival Night Zone was likely already there on the island). Knuckles literally thinks it's his sacred duty to get the "Dragon Egg" up and off his island before another world-ending disaster occurs That does make Knuckles look better from his limited perspective.
>>12401 Yeah doesn't mean much for the games, SoA doesn't make games. Although it's sort of funny Evan is now some part of Sonic's lore team in america in some way just after Ian was told off by sega. Hopefully this doesn't lead to more Uwuver and instead leads to more Surge orgasming faces.
Damn. Seeing old rumors and reports really makes one think. >>12403 At most Evan will make everyone a bit thicker. If Evan tried to make Silver her personal character to expand upon, Sega might be reminded of Penders.
>>12404 Paul Rudd would probably have been a good fit for Tom too, he's a funny guy but also has that father energy for the emotional moments. But alas the Movieverse is not ready for someone like Ant-Man.
>>12413 It's one of her better aspects, although her first sexual experience being attempted murder sex with a person she hates probably fucked her up.
>>12415 I posed it before and I'll post it again because it's true. Look at that face, not to mention how the Dynamo Engine forms the silhouette of ovaries and uterus, with her own body having a phallic silhouette in that image, and how those wisps circle around her and sonic. Issue 56 really was a wild ride in both of their sexual experiences, Surge may not be a rival to Sonic but there's one department in which she's faster in the draw. Also I'm pretty sure she was getting high off of the wisps and that temporary super form she had with all those Wisps was neat even if they never revisited it against and it only lasted for one page.
>>12401 Found a good explanation to why she got hired by SoA instead of Ian. https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146833124/#146845640 https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146833124/#146845900
Since I missed the storytime again, I've decided to make it up to all of you by storytiming some lewd comics. Wait, don't leave yet! It's hetero, although they do star best boy Knuckles so there's something for me to enjoy too! Tune in at 7pm EST tonight! >>12415 It 100% does. I'm surprised Sonic isn't smoking a cigarette >>12418 It's kinda weird we never got a Julie-Su betrayal in the original comic. Within the span of like two pages she's willing to betray her people and the only family she's ever known for some guy she's been raised from birth to consider public enemy #1. >>12419 Makes a lot of sense not as much as the "Shut up Boco" in the same thread, but still! They do need someone with a good handle on Sonic lore to crank out art for tie-in products, promotions, etc and Evan's proven she can produce quality work within their timeframes >>12420 Nice! I'm gonna check it out once it's on Blu-Ray so I can make lewd comments about Knuckles without the police showing up again
>>12421 Doesn't Knuckles fuck a femboi echidna in that? I remember happening upon that and the art was really good. >It's kinda weird we never got a Julie-Su betrayal in the original comic. Within the span of like two pages she's willing to betray her people and the only family she's ever known for some guy she's been raised from birth to consider public enemy #1. Well she did ally with Knuckles because she had nowhere else to go. And when she reunited with the DL, she was just a sort of reluctant soldier that only defected right when the invasion on Echidnopolis failed. And then Remington had her work with the Chaotix afterwards, which was very awkward for both. After that it was only Vector holding that grudge against her all the way to the end of the preboot (when he couldn't even say her name because of the lawsuit).
>>12422 >spoiler Well, that's the other reason I'm posting it! I'll spoiler those pages though
Yeah, I did like most of how the original comic handled it, but would have liked to see some plot addressing whether she was actually a spy. They did fortunately add a bit to her backstory showing her adopted parents weren't hardline zealots like Kragok/Lien-Da were so her being a reluctant soldier tracks. We never got to see it addressed, but Luger (Kragok, Lien-Da and Julie-Su's father) was trying to take the DL in a less hardline direction (before being murdered by Kragok & Lien-Da) so there's probably a lot in the legion that would rather reconcile with the rest of the Echidnas. I'm obviously biased, but seeing Julie-Su and Remington work a case together was great since the time had no idea they were related, but still approached problems very similarly
>when he couldn't even say her name because of the lawsuit That was so frustrating, just calling her and Saffron "the girls"
>>12423 It's way too lewd for /sssr/ so it'll be on /pco/. I'll be providing a direct link from here though
>>12424 Remington being reasonable and understanding of Julie-Su because of his ties to the Dark Legion was a nice part of his character. Did he ever really interact with Kragok? He did have him in prison at one point. Or was that relation added much later?
>>12425 Remington's initially distrustful of her, locking her with Kragok in KtE #09, but warms up to her in #13 when they investigate Charmy's cousin ODing with the Chaotix. I'd argue they're pretty much friends by the end of #14 given how concerned he is for her when the gangsters kidnap her. He actually warms up to working with the Dingos a lot faster, but he'd probably encountered them before. As for Kragok, aside from locking him up in #09, he only mentions that the EST couldn't get Kragok to talk in #17. Kragok's then killed by Tobor in #18. My guess is it wasn't until much later that Penders decided to make Remington Kragok's son. I think he only ever mentioned it on his forum, with the only official reference being the Archie Sonic Encyclopedia that Flynn wrote One thing I did notice looking back over those comics is they're at least 1/3 flashbacks. Absolute madness!
>humble bundle selling sonic comics >only the idw ones No surprise but a shame. I wonder if Sega could sell the Archie comics but would never want to. Even though the bundle is $25 which is a good price, it only goes up to the end of Metal Virus, has Scrapnik Island, the 30th Anniversary Special, and just some collections which are just the IDW issues in the other trades. And they're digital.
>>12429 Now if only they'd sell the Shadow manga to us filthy baka gajins! Still, might be worth picking up >>12430 It actually finished in July but I'm easily distracted
>>12426 > investigate Charmy's cousin ODing Again, this is a legitimate thing that happened in Sonic. Death by Drug Overdose. One thing about Penders: he will go to the batshit insanity well.
>>12433 I generally agree with that anon on the changes and the quality of them in the film plus how they tie into the characters narratively plus fit in with the past 2 films in execution/tone but also improve on it somewhat.
Alright Sonic 3 talking about now I laughed, I cried and got hyped has passed
Sonic and Shadow on the moon was where I cried mainly due to the top notch dialogue, acting and that fucking shot where the sun rises like that was genuine Kino, following it up with Live and Learn was the cherry on top for sure and having Maria play it in the intro immediately sold me on the film
How they have the Biolizard show up as a retro movie was really fun and I genuinely thought was a great touch, even smarter was having that play into Shadow's past/insecurity of how he's aware people are scared of him and that he doesn't want to be a monster to people which contrasts his vendetta of the current day
Gerald Robotnik as a villain was generally a lot of fun, plus making him much more like a goofy Robotnik I think works since it's ambiguous how much of it is him being insane/Robotnik goofiness that's genetic and how much is him cozying up to trick Eggman. Plus with that aside they still make it clear that he's a utterly vicious madman consume by grief willing to kill himself and the world, also that your not Maria line was fucking coldblooded.
Finally having Super Sonic fight Super Shadow was fucking badass, like that was some Tekken 8 shit with the Volcanoes and the strings/juggles and just how they actually make Sonic close to falling down the same path of grief and hatred as Shadow was genuinely super well done and especially earned since it's directly a parallel making their rivalry feel even more fleshed out in some regard but in a different way.
Dr Eggman's suit was drip immaculate, also the nanotech stuff was fucking cool and makes me want in the games a boss fight where Dr Eggman fights Sonic mano a mano with it.
Agent Stone is so gay, like it's not even reading to deep into it he's genuinely in love with Eggman who though doesn't return his feelings is also the only person he even likes as a friend that's not related to him and he's easily one of the best human characters
>>12441 So is Stone the only person in this Franchise that Robotnik/Eggman genuinely likes? I was thinking Wily, but he doesn't count due to being Capcom
>>12454 >Various Gadgets for stealth and traps >Different pairs of heels that switches up her attacks and adds effects >Dodge Offset or something similar to Trickster Dashes/Dodges >Echolocation to find shit. She's a Bat.
>>12462 First Amy and now Elise, these Metal crack ships are getting out of hand, next thing you'll know people will be shipping him with Surge or shipping Surge with Shadow, or shipping Metal and Shadow with each other.
>>12466 Who? That mouth on metal when he's biting the woman's ass reminds me of Hydroxian but I don't think He's /sthg/ and the rest of the image besides the mouth doesn't feel like him.
>>12476 Reminds me of someone posting Sonic's poor posture and how he slouches all the time. Then there's Knuckles who's always happy and positive and he has perfect posture.
>>12487 I wonder how Fleetway Tails and Boom Tails would get along? Honestly Fleetway Tails needs a proper big brother anyways and I'm sure he'll enjoy having someone to study under.
>>11999 >Same. My guess is they died when he was young so he doesn't really remember much about them Or it could be a Piccolo junior situation where he was created asexually by the last guardian with all the memories and knowledge he would need to perform his role. Echidna's even lay egga like Namekians do. https://youtu.be/hSoUIhZHKh
>>12522 Well, a portion of the things I ordered won’t be here till after new years, but I had some international snacks, a Sonic t-shirt, and a kitsune-like creature from a gachapon machine also I got Sonic Rush for my little sister.
Merry Christmas everyone! Well everyone except Sonic X's Sonic, since he's a Santa denier. And to think Fleetway Sonic's good friends with Santa! >>12522 Mostly clothes and a few videogames. I've ordered some things but sadly they won't be arriving until next week. let's just say the one I'm most excited about is rechargeable and dishwasher safe ;) >>12524 Nice! It's such a shame Dimps never got to continue the Rush series (unless you count Colors DS)
I have to say, the Sonic cast seems to really like working on the movies. Nice to see everyone having fun and being passionate about their work and it being good and being well received by the Sonic fandom (which is a rare miracle).
Cream the Firestarter Part 14 https://x.com/Jubileenie Quick refresher >shadow wants to ask amy out but can't bring himself to doing it >cream wants to help >sally stopped by amy's place and there's some awkwardness between them (maybe because sally and sonic are a couple) >sally can't cook (you should already know that) and needs amy's help cooking
>>12534 This artist has shown Sally to be into Amy at least once. I have no idea who they ship Sonic with. I don't think they've even posted Sonic. If anything Shadow is the that gets everyone's attention.
>>12547 >Sally has the neatest fuck chart on Mobius >It’s a goddamn Rolodex of "Conquests", "Potential" & "I'd rather deal with The Source of All Again" >It's alphabetical and sorted by alignments.
>>12555 >AI Sally literally has SEGA mandates KEKW, I like her here. She feels like something Eggman would create kind of like how the Orbot prototype was in Unleashed and unlike Cubot who's an idiot. Eggman's just self aware enough to realize he can't go completely unchecked since he'll end up sabotaging his own plans, so he creates a machine hechman who can check and assist him but is ultimately loyal to him. It just so happens that this said henchman takes the form of a robo-daughter; Mecha Robotnik, AI Sally, Sage. My oc, great minds think alike lol. Maybe he really is hung up on Maria just in his own sort of eggy way.
>>12568 >https://www.deviantart.com/bayon18187/art/Faceless-Amy-3-1138802575 >Person thinks all female characters would be hotter without a face >>12569 >106 year old cream the rabbit. Classic DA autism, gotta love it.
https://x.com/runpipirun_/status/1872295844730568807 >look at image >immediately think it's a reference to something >look at the replies >i'm not the only one LOL
>>12634 All of it. You should know how sonic autism works by now. Someone could easily do this with Amy, Jet or Shadow. Reminds me of sparkys retarded analysis
Your eternal reminder that Japan will never ever ever ever EVER give a fuck about Sonic ever. https://x.com/Franspeech/status/1872699869275808078 (which is why they will continue to get all the cool exclusive things like mangas and the sonic channel shit)
>>12651 Sega is so stubborn. I don't know if they refused to admit Sonic doesn't work that well in Japan or if they never knew until now. Someone at Sega already said they were going to start focusing on global sales and transmedia. Sega's making so much money from every country except Japan, they finally figured it out and should stop considering Japan a sizable market for Sonic. The Shadow manga only being in Japan and not being translated is the dumbest thing ever. Only explanation I can think is that the manga publisher wanted to do it and Sega got a paycheck and let it happen. And if that's the case that publisher is stupid because that would be a great way to pull in customers from overseas. I wouldn't be surprised if the Shadow manga was ultimately not worth it for the publisher.
>>12654 Nice! I can use it to get notified about any other fancomics we haven't done! And retweeting is great for the people working on the comics. I also realized that a lot of my Sonic reaction images are negative reactions.
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>>12671 >>12673 It really is crazy how I was able to keep that going every day for a couple years. But smaller community and pool of comics means weekly at most. >>12674 RIP
>>12676 It's okay, honestly I was surprised by how much you kept up as well, happy it happened. That's just the ethos I take to most things on 4chan, either they slow down eventually or it gets overtaken by drama hungry histrionic generalfags. So I'm just happy you got to have some great thread at the end of it all.
>>12675 >>12676 It's tragic and crazy how many anons were in it drawing cool stuff, I know one anon who really likes tails drew so much nice stuff. https://sthg.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=world_of_pixels&pid=760 Going from the last page because you can see so much variation in the art.
But like all things over at /sthg/ nothing lasts forever and you're not allowed to have nice things without someone shitting it up.
>>12679 It was fun while it lasted. Archie Ride was also fun. Only thing I would do on 4chan in the future would be an IDW Ride and that would be every day.
>>12683 You know my headcanon for that 'tortue' was that Eggmaan but Sonic in a hamster wheel and was using him as a power source ala Dark Knight Returns Flash. But using that de-chaosing machine from Unleashed in order to siphon energy from Sonic is also a great idea.
Knuckles and the Chaotix Issue 2 Page 23 https://mobiuscomics.com/knuckles
In the Archie comics, the fire ants were there to help the guardians, pretty much fixing echidna messes. That’s still a thing in these comics but to a lesser extent. Still, this is quite the echidna mess.
>>12706 To get a well paying job! Just kidding I will continue to get rejected till the day I die. I hope we can get more anons to visit /sssr/ in the new year though
>>12713 >Get a job (which at this point, I doubt) You and me both >apply for junior role >no experience required on the top >scroll down >3+ years experience required >you need to do a bunch of things outside the specified job role (basically jack of all impossible trades) >we're paying you min wage btw get fucked
>>12717 I’ve applied to several places near where I live and while some have at least emailed me back saying I didn’t get the job others have full blown ghosted me. Which has very much damped my mood in trying to get a job. But the new year’s upon us and I want to start looking for jobs again to hopefully find one that I can at least make a comfortable living at.
Finally saw the Sonic 3 movie. It was pretty damn good, about what I expected.
Good parts: >Sonic and pals are as fun as ever >acting generally good, Jim Carrey is a blast in his dual role >every character gets something to do, from Team Sonic to Shadow to the Robotniks to Stone to the Wachowskis >nice fast pacing >Shadow's arc is handled with sincerity, and is dark enough to help balance out the humor
Bad parts: >Not sure why everyone praises Keanu Reeves' performance as Shadow so much. It seemed a little phoned-in to me. They should've just used one of his game VAs. >I'm a bit ambivalent about Shadow surviving, especially since Robotnik got a dramatic sacrifice scene. But I guess the blame lies with the games.
https://www.deviantart.com/lancefreelanceartist/art/The-New-Team-Rose-COMING-SOON-1140513842 LanceFreelanceArtistbros! We are so back! I really should do the whole Passion for a Rose comic since it's been all done for a while and I don't remember covering all the parts.
>>12706 Less indulgence so less wanking, less takeout and generally self improvement. So will curb bitching about Ardan Norgate or other pet peeves included going the year on suppose.
Happy New Year sluts! >>12533 Excellent, now you'll have room for a Remington centerfold! >>12535 Honestly I'm really coming around to that ship >>12550 AoStH Christmas special >>12555 lmao, AI Sally's already sick of his shit >>12566 Very cute! >>12572 >>12585 😍 I'm gonna make so many banners out of this issue >>12634 Blaze is a mixture of Sonic and Knuckles. She's fast, purple (i.e., red + blue), guards magical rocks, and is reserved like Knuckles but quick witted like Sonic >>12644 Sparky doesn't trip but you can always find people responding with his name. He's got his own fan characters and a whole theory (philosophy?) about Sonic being an avatar of the wind or something. He's also super easy to rile up >>12651 I get that they're disappointed Sonic's only a hit in the west, but they've been salty about it for 20 years now >>12676 It really was a blast >>12692 Those Ants are so dummy thicc >>12706 To finally update the website To finally finish the script of the Sonic comic I've been working on To stop letting my job consume all my time and find myself a Mr Thirstposter >>12707 >>12713 >>12717 It's such a nightmare out there. Feel free for any of you to hit me up if you'd like help with resumes/cover letters/etc. I sit on a lot of interview panels so I can at least say what employers generally look for. thirstposter@proton.me >>12736 I've got it archived, but there was never any link to any other platform ;_; >>12739 All admirable goals! Well, except for the Norgate one
Oh, and to apologize for not being around lately, I've done some schizoposting in the lore thread. After way too much effort, I was finally able to prove that there are pictures of four-breasted lesbians in Sonic Unleashed! >>12747
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Page 16 https://mobiuscomics.com
In Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Knuckles relied on traps to deal with Sonic. Makes sense for someone all alone on a massive island. In these comics, he doesn’t need those as much. He’d prefer the more direct approach.
>>12746 Hey I dislike his work and specific creepy bias to mutant minor Miles but I have to reign in my vocal complaining since is another bad indulgent habit, so will refrain from mentioning or complaining about him.
That aside had my last takeout today before going to few libraries to read Marvel comics like Thanos meets old Thanos, Maestro by Peter David, Scott and Nadia comic then went back home and hoping to find new job this year so can at least now and then comm/buy figures again more frequently but not over indulgently.
Got a Shadow design for my AU in the works now and hoping to do other characters gradually/bios written for this year before more smutty/fetishy Sally or Rouge stuff takes my brain over. Plus Hood hyper fixation in comms will be overtaken by Longclaw or more Marvel stuff currently.
Some guy makes a thread about why he doesn't like the Sonic 3 movie: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146979885
Tailscel has to go apeshit and derail it by being his usual retarded self, until finally even someone who doesn't like Sonic 3 calls his posts unhelpful: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146979885/#q146981168
>>12774 it feels odd not being the person to bring him up here, I'll just say it's not worth even focusing or mentioning the guy anymore as had other anons point out to me since it's not even fun to laugh and point at him anymore or try to get one over him. Do what he can't really and just move on is best can suggest since he isn't gonna stop anytime
>>12778 Yeah, that's a good point. People have explained to the guy at length what a childish nutcase he is and he still doesn't get it. I'll keep mum about him and try to ignore him (unless he does something totally insane like try to kill Ian IRL).
>>12850 Oh wow, this is really great! Loved how you took some of the paths from StH and used them as inspiration for comics. I always loved how each path got its own name, and that every one is its own exploration of Shadow's character. Detractors like to claim that Shadow's this one-note brooding loner type but StH could not be more clear how much Shadow values/is influenced by those around him
Anyway, just wanted to say you did a fantastic job of exploring Shadow's character and I can't wait to so see what you make next!
>>12761 Oh he doesn't need to work in law enforcement, he just needs to own a set of handcuffs ;) >>12764 Fascinating! The guy that made the video was wondering why the hard layout got loaded to make the missions in Spagonia with almost no objects in the mission xmls, but the Chun-nan hard layout got copied into each of the Chun-nan missions and then edited and I think I have the answer. TLDR: They had a deadline to meet and this was the best way to finish off the missions.
I've been poking around the other Unleashed files and it's true that they load in every object using these xml files (for those not aware, html is a type of xml and is really good at storing nested lists of things with attributes. It's harder to extract information from than a database, but is way more flexible).
The way Unleashed handles levels is actually really elegant. There's a Base xml for each level that says where to place all the terrain/buildings/etc and then Normal/Hard/VeryHard/Mission xmls that says where to place rings/enemies/hazards/etc. This makes development straightforward and efficient since once the basic layout is done the level designers can then add all the fun parts on top to make a complete level. The only problem with this is it's additive, meaning you can load as many layout xmls as you like, but you can't remove anything from them. This is why you see crates blocking doors in the Unleashed missions. They can't replace the wall with a version that doesn't have a door since both versions would load in the mission and look like a flickering mess.
Looking at the beta verion of Unleashed, the Base layouts are pretty much done so the Hard and VeryHard layouts were something they only worked on towards the end of the game. Also, the mission lists change quite a bit between the beta and release versions of the game, so they were also being finalized close to the release date, but had been worked on for longer. This makes sense since there's lots of missions for each city and they're central to completing the game since you need enough sun/moon medals to open Gaia Gates. The Hard/VeryHard layouts were intended to be an optional thing you did after completing all the chili-dog vendor challenges so they could easily be scrapped.
My speculation is that they realized they wouldn't have time to finish the missions and the Hard/VeryHard modes so they cannibalized those modes for the missions. In Spagonia, they'd already finished the Hard layout and decided to make some minor tweaks to slice up the level into individual missions. This was done really elegantly (there's almost nothing in the individual mission layout xmls) so it was likely a senior level designer that implemented this. Chun-nan's Hard layout wasn't yet finished so they likely copied it into each of the unfinished missions and had more junior level designers working on each of those separately.
They did end up making official versions of the harder layouts in the DLC, although those levels have their own Base xmls, along with their own textures and models. They're also a lot more polished and fun than the harder modes. Highly recommend checking out the DLC if you haven't, you can run on the giant waterfall in Adabat!
>>12766 Oh shit, it's COMIC BOOK AND GRAPHIC NOVEL SUPERSTAR Mammoth™ Mogul!™ For those that don't get the reference: https://www.tumblr.com/thankskenpenders/637060530466586624/thankskenpenders-okay-so-penders-and-the-lara-su >>12767 Oh boy, they sure do end up grappling each other a lot! >>12769 Fair enough. Personally I love how much a shameless self-insert he's made Tails. Still, refraining from making catty comments about it is the more mature thing to do, and something I should really try to do. Oh man, I did like reading avengers stuff but I have not kept up with any of it in so long. Good luck with the job hunt! I hate to say it, but assuming your resume's good, it's basically down to luck. I will say that some places already have a candidate in mind and are just going through the motions to show they aren't just hiring friends, but legit interviews are very vibes based and decided very quickly. The rest of the interview is just to confirm if the skills are there. Ultimately, what people want is someone they think they can get along with Glad to hear you're still working on the AU! Fleshing out the characters is honestly way more important than any plot since it's much easier to fit a plot around characters than it is to fit characters around a plot >>12770 It's so romantic! >>12771 He totally would. We all know the blue rat has a thing for human women >>12774 It's sad how easily we could replace those schizos with simple bots
>>12788 >>12790 >>12852 Thought I'd post some more Patreon charts. Top one is the full timeline and bottom is the last 6 months. The Patreon's pretty typical: people unsubscribe at the end of the month when they get a bill and more people join throughout the month, so while the line is jaggy, the numbers are still going up over time. You have to be a certain tier to get your questions answered and those people seem to up their money in the second half of the month. Now we see fairly slow but consistent growth up until mid-2022 and then it explodes. Why? That's the time Sega announced he'd be writing Frontiers. As for the massive drop in the last month, he announced that he wouldn't be answering any more Sonic questions (likely due to pressure from Sega). TLDR: For most of the Patreon's life, it was around $200 a month, climbed to a height of $1,200 when he became an official Sega writer, and dropped to $800 when Sega said no more Sonic questions. If it can level out at around $400 I'd say he's doing pretty well
>Will the pay he gets from Sega be enough to recover from this loss? He split the Patreon revenue with his co-host, but he did mention it's always been the largest and most consistent source of revenue for him. If that's the case, he's been making around 12k a year from it for most of the podcast's life. He's been doing comic/game writing as his main gig and contract copywriting as his secondary so we can assume he's been pulling in at least 32k a year, which is honestly pretty grim if he's in a high cost of living area. For context, flipping burgers full time would net you 27k, which is also the poverty threshold for a 2-person household (his wife's not currently able to work so there's no other source of income). Honestly, unless you're self-publishing, the comics industry is a massive scam that exploits almost everyone involved.
For a little more context, there are rumors IDW wants to bring down the total page rate to $200. This means they want to pay a total of $200 per page for the art, inking, lettering, and writing. There's a reason J Axer moved on to doing concept art in the games industry (itself a mega exploitative industry!), and Spaz mostly does art for children's books. I also think this is why most fancomic artists and writers either go get jobs outside the comics industry, or live off commissions/Patreon.
>>12854 I know right? I think Shadow is one of the most popular characters because of how much nuance, humanity, and fluidity he has compared to the rest of the cast. The way he managed to overcome everything that was holding him back was very touching to witness. Also he's the coolest! It could just be the brainrot talking but Shadow05 might actually be my favorite game by every metric. The character models are absolutely perfect, the flexible gameplay is super fun, Jason Griffith is fantastic as Shadow (and Sonic!) and even the ridiculous story pulls itself together into a satisfying ending.
Thank you for reading my doujin, I'm happy you enjoyed it :'3 While I'm not sure if I'll return to doing Sonic comics I definitely want to draw more Shadow and Vector things haha~
>>12856 It's a bit sad when I see people underpaid like this, but at least it will hopefully light a fire under his ass to actually release some form of content... like an aforementioned "Lost Hedgehog tails"
>>12855 yeah I've not been reading to much current Marvel stuff besides keeping up with a few characters like the Serpent Society being clarified into not being dumb Mephisto worshippers like that hack Aaron tried to make them and it's more they're having to follow the grift that Pit Viper has put into place considering it's implied the red wanker brought him back minus a soul, at least he's got more drip now. Also Pym is back which is nice but he's a crusty old man, hopefully he gets deaged and so far Rita Demara my latest simping target is still sadly dead. Funny enough Marvel stole my idea for a new member called Titanoboa, only mine was a sexy Columbian who got turned into a snake woman by High Evoloutionary mixing the animals dna with Pym particles. I've been checking Immortal Thor currently modern wise since spotlights villains I like such as Darrio Agger, Cobra, Grey Gargoyle, Mr Hyde and Radioactive Man who's fucking suave as hell in the run giving no fucks what so ever.
Shadow's design is gonna be fun since obviously fuzzy neck lining will be involved but also suggested the artist work on contrasting my Sonic design since they should oppose not just in terms of colour scheme but of course fashion. He's also gonna have a big dumb cool sword like I gave Sonic but while Blue boy's is based on the Knight from Frontiers Shadow's is gonna draw more from Black Arms lot.
Also yeah Sonic x sexy Purple haired woman will be on the menu if anything comes of her being teased so much.
>>12862 Yeah, it's bizarre just how often fans don't get this. I honestly think Sonic is the sort of person Shadow would be without the baggage, and we do see this with his character progression. He starts off aloof and cold in SA2 but by the end warms up to Rouge and even Sonic by the end. In Heroes he ends up with amnesia, but is still able to recognize them, and without the emotional baggage even starts making puns at Sonic. StH is actually one of my favorite Sonic games too. The controls are a bit jank, and the environment textures are strangely muddy (to the point where SA2 and Heroes look nicer), but it's still a lot of fun. The weapon aiming is surprisingly intuitive and I don't think I've seen any other game handle 3rd person shooting that well. I hear complaints that you have to beat the game 10 times to unlock the true ending, but I think that misses the point. All these 326 possible paths are 100% canon to Shadow's characterization, and getting to see how those around him influence Shadow's choices, which in turn dramatically changes the course of history is the entire point. It's one of very few games where choices actually do matter, and are baked into the game at a narrative, characterization and gameplay level >Jason Griffith He's just the best! Easily my favorite Sonic and Shadow VA, not to mention the Werehog and Jet! He just nails their characterization, and without him I don't think those games would have had anywhere near the emotional resonance they had. >Thank you for reading my doujin, I'm happy you enjoyed it :'3 No worries, whatever you end up doing I hope to see more of it! Shadow x Vector is a ship I hadn't considered but it works so well! It's got that boisterous x reserved personality contrast a lot of people aim for with Sonadow, but never quite worked for me. Totally has nothing to do with my favorite ship being Sonknux, haha! Here I think it's got a lot more potential, especially since they're both the leaders of their own teams (except not really since Rouge and Espio are the ones that actually make the decisions). I also like the contrast in their teams, where Team Dark are hyper competent whereas the Chaotix always manage to somehow bumble their way to success.
Oh and if anyone's interested, I went absolutely schizo about the geography of Sonic's world in the lore thread: >>12859
>>12863 It's an absolute travesty knowing that the people who have been so central in carrying this franchise are paid basically nothing. Fun fact: the only reason Penders was able to work on Archie is because his wife's a successful lawyer >>12864 Yeah, they really do seem to take an almost perverse pleasure in fucking up everyone's favorite characters >Funny enough Marvel stole my idea for a new member called Titanoboa Oh man, that's always so frustrating! I was so angry when I'd came up with a non-Xorda origin for the Archie comics where the big reveal was it was still a future Earth, but the aliens would be based on Sumerian deities called the Anunnaki (Sumerian cuniform: 𒀭𒀀𒉣𒈾) mixed their blood with the animals to create Mobians. Only problem was some people think this actually happened to create modern humans, and even worse they wrote entire books on it ;_; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken
>Shadow Shadow's such a great character to contrast with since they both end up doing the right thing but for completely opposite reasons (because it's fun, because Maria/duty/morality/etc). 100% agree on the clothes and swords. The Knight's sword is really cool and would contrast nicely with the more organic forms of the Black Arms weaponry. They never make it explicit, but I think the Black Comet is used to grow all their soldiers, tech and weapons
>Sonic x sexy Purple haired woman She is a human woman and we all know how Sonic feels about them!
>>12865 An anon mentioned that Tailstube confirmed it here: >>12775
Knuckles and the Chaotix Issue 2 Page 24 https://mobiuscomics.com/knuckles
The Chaotix is in shambles and in no condition to fight an army. With the Dark Legion taking over Angel Island, who can save the day? Maybe it’s time for the not-so-nice guys to step in?
>>12869 Oh my, just imagine how sweaty Knuckles would get straining to get himself out of those ropes! Seriously though, it's nice to see Kragok getting to do the standard evil villain speech without his sister interjecting with lewd comments >>12870 Yeah these sorts of teamups are always so much fun. As for tropes in general, what I love about Gay Duck is despite how genre savvy and resourceful he is, he always ends up missing the obvious. I wonder if having Maw will counteract this since he's an extremely practical villain
>>12868 Yeah I'm Hank Pym thread at moment which speaks enough to fucked over faves, got one annoying dickhead in there. Marvel Villains can get the worst of the writers mistreatment honestly, even the A-Listers aren't safe from it. Also might have to post a side by side of my Titanoboa with the official Marvel one, might even be fun to comm her wearing the costume of her canon alias user.
Also yeah Shadow will be a ton of fun to help go other design wise, the sword will possibly be purple to fittingly contrast the green highlights on Sonic's and also not to blend into all the red on Shadow himself. You mentioning the Black Comet making the weapons makes me imagine a line of the ayyys waiting for a horrible wallgina to birth their organic weapons or gadgets.
We'll wait and see if Sonic X Victoria aka the S.P.H.W has any momentum or when she debuts if it inspires anyone in that regard. Funny how despite the Princess Elise hate how many actual human woman in real life simp for the Blue Blur.
>>12878 Aw no problem man, when I really like a character I fucking will shill them to the grave as can attest by posts and also be solely responsible for fanart influx for them when possible. Doing the same for Hank now actually since will have to comm more art of him to, even planning some art of Hank and Rita since planted the pairing idea on my brain and liked it.
Wether I comm any Hypno of Rita I'm not sure, got Maria Hill planned for that though. Funny thing is it was a gradual fixation since read Dead Avengers #1 as a kid and thought she was neat, forgot about her,eventually found out about her again and since remembered that issue, checking her other appearances plus her design hitting my neurones so perfectly reasons I'd have to list.
Besides that also have other snake villains to obsess with the Serpent Society and it's many fun members. I'll try not to bring up Rita here to much since gotta keep obsessions organised and relevant or typical to places to bring it up. Since year of the snake, which is my year in a cosmic sense of irony, might do one last Mordred Hood comm before break from him dressed as King Cobra/Klaus Voorhees. Wether he'll also be sleazing on Saleta is up to a maybe.
This page is gonna be big. >>12870 It's interesting how often villains fight each other in Archie. Often it was a turf war and the heroes were caught in the middle. >>12871 Kragok gets to ham it up and Lien-Da gets to be even crazier than before. >>12874 One of the perks of having your own local villains is that they'll help against the invading baddies.
>>12876 >Funny how despite the Princess Elise hate how many actual human woman in real life simp for the Blue Blur. Y'know, I'm a dirty furfag myself, and I love several degenerate ships, but I've just never been able to swallow SonElise. I get that they're both sentient and all, but there's just something really creepy about seeing this realistically-rendered human princess lust after this cartoon hedgehog. It makes Elise seem like a dumb womanchild or something, like she's developmentally delayed.
It could also just be a hang-up of mine. I browse /tv/ and I have to deal with people insisting that every other shit movie is SECRET KINO, so maybe I'm just being reflexively anti-contrarian.
>>12867 Oh my gosh! K/S makes me feel so SAPPY for some reason... You have excellent taste!
As for stuff I'm doing in the future, I can drop a link to my site where I post all my fujoshit :P Tada! https://verygood.pictures/8190/entry (The Sonic stuff is under Fanart -> Misc Adventure 2)
>>12887 It might also be the writing to since people have less hangups shipping Shadow and Maria or Sonic and Sharah I think? But yeah the art style dissonance also may be the biggest hurdle, honestly I love fanart that makes Elise a bird as it improves her design effortlessly, also works for Sharah and Erazor Djinn funny enough
https://www.deviantart.com/lummh/art/Sonic-and-the-Olympus-Heroes-Cover-1142175629 I mentioned this comic before and how all the pages were locked up in patreon and now its first 10 pages will be released. One page every two days. Like I said before, pretty... uhhh... interesting to do such a thing. I'll post the whole thing when it's all available.
https://www.deviantart.com/skipback/art/BoD-Screenshot-me-when-the-when-the-brain-1142798216 Amy's thick arms and Tails' thick... everything... Look at him, his body is the same size and shape as his head.
Fun fact: This scene never made it to the English dub of Sonic X >>12875 Just think, all they need to do is come up with a better plan than throwing Kragok off the island while he's asleep >>12876 As frustrating as the writers can be, at least the good runs will always be there. You totally should post your comparison! >sword You're on better track with the colors than Sonic Team at least! The sword the Black Arms use was originally purple, but for some reason they changed it to a boring red in Sonadow Generations https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Sword >wallgina Utterly terrifying! It'll be just like that scene in Lord of the Rings where they're making new orcs >Sonic X Victoria If people can ship him with Eggman, I don't see why they wouldn't ship him with Eggman's cousin! >>12882 ;_; >>12883 We're reaching JoeAdok levels of omnicanon! >Lien-Da gets to be even crazier than before I snuck a peak at the future pages and oh boy does she! She's just like me fr fr >>12887 The clashing artstyles really spoil it in 06, despite them having a pretty cute relationship arc. I honestly think that's why they went Pixar in Unleashed, and more or less perfected the look with Merlina in SatBK. The recent(ish) Sonic Channel art of Elise and Silver looks great, and more importantly like they're from the same franchise. >It makes Elise seem like a dumb womanchild or something She's 17 to Sonic's (alleged) 15, so if anything she's the cradle robber here! >>12888 Aww thanks! Judging by your Sonknux art, you have equally excellent taste! Absolutely love your site, it's always nice to see personal sites with a real personal touch and style. Feel free to check out mine if you like, it's where I archive these threads and attempt to catalog every Sonic fancomic. Unfortunately it's not been updated in a while ;_; https://the-ride.neocities.org/ >>12894 Oh man, I've got like 2000 tabs open and if it ever crashed, I'll pretty much be starting my life over from scratch >>12895 Love that they're taking inspiration from the canceled third storytime game but that really is an odd way to handle things >>12896 The absolute unit >>12899 😍
Oh, and I'll try and get back to posting comic updates this week. My comic RSS feed is at over 100 entries now ;_; >>12900 And in the interest of fairness, here's a scene from the same episode where Rouge flirts with Knuckles. Sadly they completely changed the dialogue in the English dub
>>12889 >Shadria Never been my favorite ship either. I always liked them better as adoptive siblings.
>Sharah and Erazor Djinn Agreed, they look a lot better as Babylonians, same with Elize as a bird. The Sonic franchise really needs to learn a bit about consistent art direction.
>>12900 >I honestly think that's why they went Pixar in Unleashed, and more or less perfected the look with Merlina in SatBK. Unleashed honestly had a really brilliant art style. It's a shame that the werehog segments are so samey, because otherwise it's a really gorgeous and innovative game.
>She's 17 to Sonic's (alleged) 15, so if anything she's the cradle robber here! Ah, of course. The anime thing where everyone looks like a twentysomething but is actually barely 18. I should've guessed.
>>12905 I love these two birded up so much, I think especially works to make Erazor Djinn a more unique looking villain and less like Genie Ganondorf, Sharah should be a bit curvier but that's my creaturous mind talking as she still looks cute.
Sonic Side Stories Page 7 This is easily the most lore-packed page ever. A lot of information. A lot of changes. The Archie comics already did things wildly different from Sonic Adventure 2. The changes for this series is even greater. This is all a prologue to that anyway. The real heavy stuff won’t start until we get to that arc. Can you piece together what happened and what will happen?
>>12900 Well since you asked here's my lovely Titanoboa on the left plus her columbian pre-snake look in middle named Tiana Boid and on the right Marvel's official Titanoboa.
Also it's funny with the Black Arms sword design since I like the new one more visually but yeah the old purple makes it feel a bit more distinct as a weapon. Also Sonic banging Eggman's female cousin and rubbing it in his face would be hilarious.
Also yeah I'll gladly die on the hill of Hank Pym is a great character with an awesome history and a lot of value to the entire Marvel setting and is more then that single panel that vermin cling to like cheese in a mousetrap of being a dumb cunt.
Also it crashed again last night so having to find ref tabs and ebay items ALL OVER AGAIN
>>12913 Thanks, the idea for Tiana Boid came up in an X-men Apocalypse thread that I just talked Serpent Society in and character ideas for the group, leading me to make Titanoboa, Sea Krait, Coral Snake and Mamushi.
Honestly I'll need a new computer considering this laptop managed to break it's own lid hinges with no aggression twice, not getting it repaired again only for it to break itself again in a few months time.
>>12912 >that single panel that vermin cling to like cheese in a mousetrap of being a dumb cunt. It can take years of good writing to undo one bad portrayal of a character. Just look what happened to poor Aquaman's reputation after Superfriends. It took decades of Peter David and 90s edginess and Jason Momoa to get people to take him seriously again.
Or for a more recent example, Shadow. He was shit for decades until Sonic 3 came out.
>>12918 true though Pete David generally does great with most characters and stories honestly. Also yeah both Aquaman films are massive guilty pleasures for me, just love the ocean settings and creature designs plus Black Manta is always a great character.
Also yeah Shadow is finally in something of a golden period now, hopefully the momentum keeps going
>>12919 I haven't seen the second Aquaman film, is it worth a watch?
>ocean settings and creature designs Agreed, I wish there was more good Atlantis/underwater fantasy stuff. I tried reading some of the Namor stories in Marvel but it was just Namor fighting with one guest-star after another.
>Shadow I'm actually a bit worried about this. Now that Sonic 3 is out I'm afraid that Shadow will go back to being shitty. Knux got dropped like a hot potato after Sonic 2. OTOH, Dark Beginnings portrayed Shadow pretty well, so maybe I'm being paranoid.
>>12920 The second Aquaman is objectively not a great film but it has more of the fun ocean creatures, silly action scenes and makes Black Manta and Ocean Master quite well done characters that I'd say are in line with their best comic depictions, plus its final battle is like the Anti first Wonder woman conclusion on that it focuses on the main crux and just speeds past the cg climax. Plus it made me cry seeing whales cause I'm a sook like that, whales make me emotional nowadays.
Yeah hoping the Shadow momentum keeps going since it's refreshing to see him be a character again and actually get to be the coolest.
Oh watched Back to the Outback for first time today, overall a nice solid cute animated film with very nice characters, good designs, top notch voice acting j some surprisingly great 2D sequences. What surprised me most was his funny it could be and one of the characters just wanting to fuck as his character arc and literally saying he was aroused made me gut laugh.....also yes Maddie the Taipan was suspiciously attractive and cute, Zoe the Thorny Devil also gave her some competition in confusingly attractive animated reptile department. The film met my Aussie seal of Approval and especially my enjoyer of reptiles/insects seal of approval.
>>12923 You did remind me of the other suspiciously attractive snake but on the opposing morality scale, Zaina from Koati. The final film I watched last year but also the first film I watched this year. This gal is easily the best part of he film and one of the only reasons to watch it besides two other characters the bird n butterfly plus the utterly gorgeous animation. Zaina being iconic for 10 minutes straight
>>12909 >>12908 I'll take a shot -Jules has speed like Sonic and Gerald is using the qull ala the movies. And to possibly base Shadow off of it and the Sonic 3 lore.
-Project Goddess. Foreshadow to Iblis? And Maria doesn''t have NIDS? Interesting.
>>12900 > I've got like 2000 tabs open and if it ever crashed, I'll pretty much be starting my life over from scratch There has to be some browser extension that saves the current tabs you had.
>>12903 And that's why she's the most relatable character in the show! >>12904 I wonder if they both work at the Spagonia university? I could see her being more of a free agent that does books and documentaries for the general public though >>12905 >Never been my favorite ship either. I always liked them better as adoptive siblings. And Maekawa likes them as both! >Unleashed honestly had a really brilliant art style. It's a shame that the werehog segments are so samey, because otherwise it's a really gorgeous and innovative game. I really liked the 2d art for the humans in Unleashed and think it would've only taken one more game to get them absolutely perfect them in 3d. The Werehog's main issue (aside from the battle jazz and terrible tightrope walking controls) was that the levels were just too long. The Wii version splits them up into smaller levels and it worked a lot better >Ah, of course. The anime thing where everyone looks like a twentysomething but is actually barely 18. I should've guessed. Yeah, this person is the world's top mecha pilot or expert on the show's tech/magic/etc and lives independently, but somehow is still 14 and going to highschool. It's so weird. Just make them adults! >>12908 I like that you've pushed the Gerald/ARK stuff to around 30 years ago instead of 50. Eggman should be in his late 40s in the games, but then we wouldn't get him being directly inspired by Gerald >nate chose to live in mobotropolis so he'd no longer be the shortest Deepest lore! >that locke Would! >>12910 Just like the games! >>12912 More like Titanobooba amirite? Seriously though, it's a great design and I have no idea why Marvel and DC seem to be so afraid of strong colors. >sword Yeah, the modern one has a better shape, mostly because they can add more detail than would be possible in StH. >Victoria It combines two of Sonic's favorite things: fucking with Eggman and fucking human women! >Hank Pym 100% agree >crashing I find Firefox is usually able to recover from that, even when I have literal thousands of tabs open >>12915 The real villain of the movieverse >>12916 Depending on your budget, I'd recommend going for an all-metal laptop. They tend to put in more sturdy hinges t. had the hinges snap in several laptops with plastic cases >>12918 Don't forget Batman: The Brave and the Bold! >>12922 I'll have to check it out. I saw The Flight Before Christmas recently, which was pretty cute too (in a wholesome way). It's a Finnish animation, although there's an English dub >>12925 Knowing smile! In case you're wondering, project goddess is a human plot to disguise themselves as griffons using hyperrealistic masks. Seriously though, the actual plot is very interesting but I don't want to waste it >>12928 I really should, and even tried an extension that would put tabs to sleep but then I'd be admitting I have a tab hoarding problem ;_;
>>12931 Gerald was born to suffer and he only brought it on himself like 60% of the time, also yeah moving the timeframe does work significantly to clear up some age/time questions that pop up.
Also thanks for the positive thoughts on my OC, my friend gameboyred drew up her first bits of art not shown in the screenshot and helped with the design significantly and the colours were especially my fave part besides the thiccness plus reverse engineering her Columbian woman look. Made her backstory be she got abducted by High Evoloutionary who pumped her with Titanoboa gene transfusion and a pym particle infusion to stabilize it after which she just tried a normal life before after few years becoming columbia's number one supervillain. I don't actually mind the official Marvel versions design and even think Pit Viper looks cool even if he's a Mephisto groupie smh.....Dormammu is infinitely cooler and actually worth having around.
Might have to post Mamushi sometime also since he's one of my other fave recent Serpent Society OC designs and is based a lil on one of my fave DC villains Mr Mind.
Yeah I can't say enough how great I thought the new black arms members and stuff introduced in Shadow Generations regarding them, I have a real soft spot for them from years playing SHTH growing up.
EMH really did so much to make me a massive fan of Hank and then checking back into his comic apperances/moments only helped further as someone who also struggles with mental health at times
Sonic and smart girl would also add a fun element to the dynamic beyond his carnal lust for human woman and his petty neener neener neering of Eggman.
my computer is so shit still hanging on, anycase hopefully my browser lasts longer this time to send the smut refs for Ghostlessm comm when get to that eventually.
Batman Brave and the Bold did such a great job on exposing and making me a fan of so many underrated DC Heroes and Villains that I wish Marvel just ripped it's premise off but with their own cast of heroes and villains, could've called it Marvelous Team Ups.
I'd definitely say give Back to the Outback a check, it's just a nice film and the aussie jokes were really accurate plus was just a nice G film, not over ambitious but didn't need to be.
>>12887 It's like Sonic is an overgrown plushie that Elise just can't let go. I think part of the reason it looks weird is due to Sonics design being changed in 06 to have elongated limbs.
>>12932 That's what's so great about Gerald, he ostensibly starts out with the right intentions (wanting to save Maria), but we eventually see that was only part of it. Dude wanted to show the world that he was history's greatest scientific mind, and that allowed the progressive moral compromises to turn him into a monster. He's actually a lot like Walter White in Breaking Bad. He was the world's greatest chemist and while he started out to fund his treatment and to leave enough money for his family, he also becomes a monster through a progressive series of moral compromises.
Gameboyred's got a wonderfully colorful and stylized look to their art. Backstory's cool too, it's nice too see the use of Pym particles instead of supersoldier serum, which is becoming so common they probably add it to the water supply
The new/redesigned Black Arms are so cool! It was pretty clear they were going for the Halo crowd back in StH so it's nice to see them becoming more unique
Hopefully your computer will hang on, but I'd make a backup just in case
Oh man, a Marvel take on BtBatB would be so cool!
I'll have to check Back to the Outback out, it's nice to see comfy films where the fate of the world isn't at stake
>>12935 Yeah, it's pretty much this. The first time they made him taller was in Sonic Adventure, and that was to make his legs more visible in 3d and to counteract the foreshortening due to the camera now being behind and above him instead of directly side-on. 06 is actually a soft-reboot of the franchise in the same way Adventure was, which was why the first level was a beach where Sonic gets chased by an orca. I think they wanted to continue this trend and further stylize and elongate Sonic. It was also the first game where they had the polygon budget to do complex emotes with Sonic, so that probably affected the design too
>>12942 Gerald is easily one of the most interesting and morally complex characters in the setting when you view his actions across the franchise and the sheer changes as a person he becomes due to the G.U.N incident, his film version is very different but still a really great character IMO
thanks meeting him was a real nice surprise, even returned the favour by commissioning some of his oc's to pay for pics he did for me. Also thanks wrote full length Bio's for all my Serpent Society OC's mostly going over motives, backstory but not full details on hobbis/interests since that extra stuff can post in a comm description in future. Was fun making her someone who can despite turning giant a fairly humble goal driven woman who has a younger team mate fancying her.
Yeah the new designs for the Black Arms nicely expand on them as a unique faction while not losing their charm as obvious invaders with so much mid 2000's flair and character.
Honestly Disney buying Marvel was the worst thing to the animated part of it since utterly killed all teh good media and the stuff afterwards while not godawful just can't reach the quality or variety of before, also yeah I think a Marvel BtBatB would be fun since could have the Fantastic Four fight the U-Foes finally, a heist episode made of several of the settings villains having to work a high take job while also figuring who'll get on or who'll backstab and of course Moon Knight vs Dr Sun.
>>12945 >Marvel Team Up: The Animated Series Stars Spider-Man but branches out to other groups Get episodes like: >F4 vs. U-Foes >USAgent & Union Jack trying to stop Ultimatum >Marvel Merc Special with the likes of Chance, Deadpool, Taskmaster, Joystick, etc. >An episode with the Busiek Thunderbolts >Quasar: Protector of The Universe aka Wendell Vaughn is a real swell Guy. >Excalibur in the Cross Time Caper feat. Motormouth & Killpower >The Inheritors.....get the ever loving piss beat out of the by the Avengers.....West Coast(Hawkeye, Tigra, War Machine, Hercules, Mockingbird & Sersi) >Motherfucking Beta Ray Bill
>>12948 >Rita Demara and Scott Lang go on a micro heist on Hank's lab that leads him to recruit them against Darren and William Cross.
>Serpent Society Civil War over who should lead the group and what direction the organisation should take, are you team Sidewinder or team Pit Viper?
> Under Siege adaption following episodes introducing and showcasing each villain or hero involved in the storyline
>DiamondBack and Black Cat decide on a bet to swap dance partners as it were with Spider-Man and Captain America.
>Hank Pym and Kid Kaiju face a monster onslaught at the hands of the deadly duo of Dr Demonicus and the Controller.
>DEMON IN A BOTTLE....Literally as Tony Stark must deliver a trapped Blackheart away from Satana with the help of a scathing Dr Druid.
> The Red Ghost has been marked for death by The Ghost, his beloved Super Apes seek out the aid of Hit-Monkey and Gorilla-man to save his life.
>Kang the Conqueror is set to have a pleasant day fighting the Avengers when he keeps landing in progressively worse bad futures from Days of Future Past, to The Age of Ultron and more as a reluctant Iron-Lad tags along trying to minimise the damage Kang causes.
>>12950 >TimeCrashed: Days of Future Past vs. Age of Apocalypse vs. Age of Ultron vs. Sins of Sinister vs. Earth X vs. 2099 vs. King Loki vs. Old Man Logan... >Bad Futures collide to be the true tomorrow of Marvel but can the most unlikely team ever save existence from collapse? Enter, Strange 2099, Death's Angel, Gilgamesh: The Forgotten One, Kasper Cole, Lyja the Laserfist , Rikki Barnes, Thor(Dargo) & X-Man on the adventure of multiple lifetimes!
>>12951 >Devil Dinosaur and the Dinosaur Avengers must ally to stop a deadly alliance of Stegron, Sauron, The T-Rex Dr Doom and Kang the Concavenator from rewriting existence.
>Hank is at romantic conflict having to choose between his longtime ally Janet or the assertive new shrinking heroine Rita while they try to defeat the bickering Bi-Beast
>The Thing due to a mishap from Reed's latest device ends up stranded with The Man-Thing as his only company. Now they must somehow put their many MANY differences aside to survive against Mangog
>>12947 lmao >>12948 Oh man, that'd be so much fun! >>12949 Greg Weisman, who was behind Gargoyles and The Spectacular Spider-Man. I'm talking cool 90-00s Weisman that had his "evil twin" write Gargoyle porn comics. For those that don't know, it's called The Last Tengu in Paris by Blue Mug Productions. Imagine, even more obsessive attention to detail for the lore than Flynn, but with someone who's capable of writing around even 90s Disney's mandates. Dude was able to sneak in so much lewdness into Gargoyles, and was even able to sneak in multiple gay characters in the 90s >>12953 >Christopher Yost I liked a lot of the shows he worked on so I think he'd do something pretty interesting with Sonic
>>12955 Yeah honestly it's best to get a cartoon writer who is good at large casts, lots of setting material and making each character not overlap or blend on top of just being good at their job
It is interesting to see the side page get a lot of people talking. I decided to not say much about it. It'll all be expanded upon later. >https://x.com/archie_mega It's good to see the Archie Mega Man Online comic back on track. I actually got contacted and asked to help out but honestly I'm not needed that much anymore. They wanted leadership but they have that already so if anything I'm watching progress and offering some advice here and there.
>>12955 Prime Greg Wiseman writes Sonic and he gets >Finitevus is voiced by Keith David >Mammoth Mogul is voiced by Johnathan Frakes >Lien-Da is voiced by Marina Sirtis >Walter "Ixis" Nagus is voiced by Patrick Stewart. Yes he wasn't in Gargoyles but he's allowed to go full Shakespeare Ham as a evil Wizard. >Or as wise King Nigel Now for my writer recommendations >Giffen/DeMatties write the Freedom Fighters like their JLI run. Yes it can't happen because Keith passed on but What If... >Alan Davis because he can do fun >Amanda Conner & Jimmy P
That’s one… two… three… four villains?! Time for some more lore! In the Archie comics, Mammoth Mogul started off powered by a chaos emerald embedded in his chest. This was when there were thousands of them, only the green ones were on Mobius. He later lost his but was able to get another one after the number of chaos emeralds were reduced to seven. You can see the problem when it comes to this continuity always having seven chaos emeralds and they were already gathered. However, there’s an eighth(?) one. The Ancient Onyx in the Archie comics was where Chaos was held after his little rampage on the echidnas. Not much else is known about it. The mysterious hand? You might recognize it. And Geoffrey? Isn’t he working for the wrong villain? And who’s the sword guy?
>>12972 >Mephiles' hand? Also Geoffrey is here! And hopefully the rope for him will be too! >>12975 >Blast Bauble: Look, I'm not saying take over the world or massacre people but just don't pay your taxes! What's the fucking point of thrm anyway? That money you got in YOUR pocket? It's YOURS. Now go get ya self a whore in downtown Station Square.
You know, I don't think there's enough fanciness in these threads so I'm assigning you all some homework: https://bobatealee.itch.io/doom-the-gallery-experience Seriously though, it's pretty funny >>12956 Gargoyles is in a lot of ways very similar to peak Archie, but if Flynn had been there since the start making sure everything fit together. Highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it, it's genuinely one of the best cartoons ever made >>12959 That's it, we've reached the apex of Sonic fan content! >>12960 It's sadly hetero, but still very good! >>12962 Oh man, that'd have been so cool ;_; >>12970 He did a lot of panels at various conventions, particularly The Gathering, which was a Gargoyles fan convention. He also did 18+ panels as his "evil twin" and explained in great detail all the lewd stuff that couldn't be made explicit in the show. He also regularly answered fan emails publicly and they're all archived here: https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/
Yeah, he also mentioned they were swingers but otherwise loyal to each other. As for her being Bi, Weisman takes the Tolkien approach where he comes to realize things about the characters so he's not technically revealing anything. It's never mentioned in the show (obviously, it was the 90s and he'd get mega fired), but Lex being gay and Fox being bi was hinted at in season 2. It wasn't until 2003 at a Gathering that he mentioned Lex was gay and it was in 2006 in the comics that we got to see Stagheart, the guy Lex ends up dating. As for Fox, he confirmed she was bi in 2014 at CONVergence, but might have revealed it earlier >>12971 The whole show's extremely sexy and there's a hot guy/girl/robot/shapeshifter/etc for everyone's taste! >>12972 >ancient onyx lmao, that's a great use of it since the only reason they introduced it since Mogul was already stuffed inside the ME. Oh, and in one of the Archie futures and the future Silver's from in Sonic Rivals, 200 years later Angel Island is called Onyx Island so there's lots to work with there >>12974 >Geoffrey looks like such a fuckface I know right? 😍 >>12977 In his wanted poster his complexion is described as "Fox" and his hair is described as "Fox brown" so everyone's wrong! >>12978 Geoffrey has a fantastic design (that Penders had nothing to do with) and is a genuinely interesting character under Flynn. His smarmy cockiness being a front for his guilt over betraying everyone was a great direction. I can fix him! >>12981 All the images are already archived, but I'll investigate archiving the text as well. His dogshit takes must be preserved for future generations!
>>12978 >>12979 >>12985 Yeah, Geoffrey under Ian was a really interesting villain. I liked how at the end he was just about to reform, because he realized that the good guys were genuinely good people. He was a massive fuckup, but he was starting to realize his mistakes.
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Page 17 https://mobiuscomics.com
As the Freedom Fighters head to Angel Island, there’s some nervousness and attempts at alleviating it. But Sally’s anxiety just might be more prophetic.
>>12986 For all their differences, he's a lot like Snively: a tiny core of goodness wrapped in a thick layer of self-loathing and regret, all topped off with a smug insufferable exterior. It's been really great to see how all the different fancomics have handled Geoffrey's reform. I'd love to see one where he goes fuck it, kills Naugus and absorbs his power though. Imagine the drama! >>12987 Nice to see Rotor being treated more warmly, we're finally getting the gang back together! Also Tails helpfully bullying Antoine is adorable >Sally’s anxiety just might be more prophetic Through her connection with the Source of All, she's sensed the presence of a rival redhead in Sonic's life!
>>12988 So I guess I like Geoffrey under Flynn’s direction then. It’s good for angst, especially with either Hershey or Elias. But I would like a Schwartz-like Geoffrey, an openly bigoted, arrogant, nigh-irredeemable asshole who’s a great rival for the main cast and is slowly realizing his worldview is fundamentally flawed and that he’s a fuckup. in layman’s terms, I like the character under both Flynn and Penders, but Penders’ version only like Schwartz, as a “Love to Hate” sort of character.
>>12968 These two are so corrupt as cops they make Vic Mackey look like a saint. Also Yardley made Surge look like a classic Archie character. I wonder if Butler drew her yet.
>>12989 Yeah he definitely doesn't need to be likable to be a great character. Oh man, the fanart where he's gatekeep, gasslight, girlbossing Elias is just great! Honestly, Penders' take on Geoffrey would've been fantastic if he'd done the reveal that he was a traitor. It'd recontextualize his hatred of Sonic as jealousy of a genuine hero and all the gross stuff with Sally as a morally compromised person trying anything just to feel something >>12994 I love how easily you can tell he's having fun drawing Sally >>12995 I hope the next issue comes out soon. Oh and you can buy the first issue from Lily Butler's ebay >>12997 >tails' shocked and slightly embarrassed expression >sally's angry yet intrigued expression, while sticking her butt out to assert dominance Oh boy, it's Sonknux time! >>12998 lmao, and now I'm thinking of which X-Men the Freedom Fighters would be Xavier: Max (overbearing, sometimes crazy, thinks he's in charge, secretly in love with Magneto/Locke) Jean: Sally (gets all the interesting plots, gets all the interesting boys) Cyclops: Geoffrey (official field leader of the movement as endorsed by Xavier/Max, everyone hates him, especially the fans!) Wolverine: (sexy, most popular character, all the fans want him to get with Jean/Sally despite what some of the writers think) Beast: Rotor (hot bara intellectual) Jubilee: Tails (adorable junior team member) Rogue and Gambit: Bunnie and Antoine (obviously!) Storm: Nicole (doesn't really fit, but they both fly around and electrocute things) X-Jet: Literally the Freedom Fighter Special
>>13002 My husbando, the Echidna with the biggest rack, the wrinkly floating head (that sometimes talks to Tails), and the wrinkly floating head (that sometimes talks to Lien-Da)!
>>12999 Anono’s works are what I was thinking about with Geoffrey/Elias and maybe I care a bit too much, and knowing that St. John isn’t the most liked character (for valid reasons) makes me more reluctant to tell people that I like him because they’ll get the wrong idea, trust me, I’m in a Sonic discord server where saying “I like Geoffrey St. John” will get me crucified.
Also, I’ve been wanting to make some Geoffrey/Elias art that I may post here If you know where these lyrics come from, you may have an idea where this piece my go: Kiss me, kill me, till I bleed You are the sun that holds my dreams Can you save me, set me free? You are my sanctuary
>>13000 >Geoffrey: Look, If I'm not getting Sally, I might as well get you. >Elias: Why does everyone want to fuck us?! Does my marriage to Megan mean anything?! >Geoffrey: If it makes you feel any better, you're just as pretty as she is! >Elias: ARRRG!!! >>13002 >TFW they both betray the other. >>13004 >>13005 >Eggman: I don't know what's more disgusting, the fact Snivley found love or the fact that he gets physically intimate. >Tundra: And you needed to share that, WHY? >Eggman: If I have to have mental images of that, so do my Grandmasters. >Lien-Da: I hate you, Ivo. >>13003 If Gala-Na and her wonderful tits wasn't so ass backwards, Albion would be around!
Also, with all this Geoffrey talk, I want to dump some art from CrystalComtenplator, one of the few Geoffrey fans who also likes Max, Locke, Elias, Skunks, and morally questionable, psychotic types and I love their art
>>13007 Anono has such a great dynamic for him and Elias! I honestly don't get it, Scourge has done equally scummy things and he's still massively popular, not to mention Robotnik, who wiped out everyone in his home dimension before slaughtering countless innocents in the prime zone. The whole point of fiction is being able to enjoy the most scummy characters because they're bad, not in spite of it! >discord Looking at how bland the 4/co/ Sonic threads have been, I'm starting to wonder if everyone ended up migrating to here or discord. Now that I think of it, their entire board's slower despite still having the same/worse amount of spam and schizos
Translation: Marian (the OC/Self Insert): “I’m tired of hearing whispers and taunts from around the castle that I like you!” Geoffrey: “So, Do you like me?~”
One day I'll learn to reload the page before posting, but today is not that day >>13008 Had to look it up to confirm but was so glad I did! Easily one of my favorite showa I actually liked it more than Buffy >>13009 lmao, there's like one piece of art with Elias and his canon wife >Snively You just know he reminds his grandmasters of it every time they fuck up >If Gala-Na and her wonderful tits wasn't so ass backwards, Albion would be around! Albion is the most technologically advanced civilization on Mobius, Lien-Da's cybernetic enhancements just can't compare! >>13010 giwtwm >>13013 lmao >>13016 Now that I think of it, all those straps and harnesses do give off an S&M vibe, not that I'm complaining! >>13019 >muscular sonic >tied up with a defiant look >barefoot Fact check: True!
>>13015 Blasphemy, Max is for Eggman and Eggman alone.
>>12994 >>12999 Butler has my favorite artstyle among all the comics, it's a nice inbetween of furry art and the weird Mobian proportions. Seriously the characters just look so akward sometimes when they're in less stylized environments and I can't imagine making Mobians look good in 3d is easy. Honestly my favorite artist, I wish the current IDW series had an artstyle closer to his.
>>13010 >>13011 This is thanks to various fanarts >Sally: Do you get...offended? >Megan: At first, a little yes, but after a while it set in that I married the most handsome man on Mobius! Well that, he comes home to me. >Cut to an annoyed Elias looking completely done with it as both Surge & Geoffrey filrt with him
>>13087 You know SuperScourge, the artist of the comic y’all were covering last night can make a better version of this! Scourge fans in general can make a better version of this! But not the guy who technically created him? Are you serious?
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>>13085 >cancels my favorite comic >turns my husbando into a creepy pizza delivery man >forces me to storytime TLSC (the worst comic in existence) >ruins my absolute favorite painting I AM FUCKING LIVID AT THIS CLOWN! Seriously, The Fallen Angel is my favorite painting and he has absolutely ruined it here. I wrote about it here >>1640 in case anyone's interested in an analysis and background on the painting.
I'm sure you can all see the it's terrible from the greasy shading, crayon background and weird posing, but it's so much worse if you're a fan of the painting. The entire point of the original painting is that he is covering his face in shame and shedding a single tear, but instead of a look of contrition, it's a look contempt and rage.
The other thing that pisses me off is the posing. It's designed for human proportions but instead of moving things around, he's just stretched out Scourge's limbs (and made them weirdly muscular).
Fortunately we have some examples of how real artists would do it. Here's one by the artist that did the comics Chaos and Accidental Love (https://the-ride.neocities.org/comics/2022-04-06-chaos/). Not only did they do a great job of recreating the renaissance/romantic painting style of the original, but they also readjusted the pose to fit Shadow's proportions. They also did a great job of recreating the look of utter contempt from the original despite Shadow's eyes being very different in shape.
>>13095 Here's another one. Again, the pose is readjusted, but the look of contempt remains. The background being changed to a view of the blue Earth below and the orange Sun above is a fantastic inversion and recontextualization of the original work
>>13096 And to complete things, here's another one that references the pose but uses Soarin from Tamers' MLP videos. Isn't it nice that we won't get banned here for posting horses! Again the pose is readjusted to fit horse proportions, but the look remains. Having Soarin be flying here was a great idea, since it recontextualizes the original pose into a preparation for a magical attack >>13086 I am genuinely disgusted by this "art." Penders truly ruins everything he touches >>13087 >Fanart based the fallen angel painting with shadow looks better than this Fact check: true! >>13088 Penders fell into the trap of looking for shortcuts with his art even when he was still at Archie, and it's only gotten worse. His biggest problem now is that he's lost the ability to critique and evaluate his own outputs, and combined with not drawing very often, has allowed whatever skills he had to degenerate >>13092 It really does ;_;
>>13022 >Blasphemy, Max is for Eggman and Eggman alone. Absolutely cursed! >Butler has my favorite artstyle among all the comics Spaz/J-Axer/Best are probably my favorites, but that's mostly because I love that early 00s style. Butler's absolutely fantastic though and I love how he was able to make things sexy anthro, but recognizably SegaSonic >>13023 lmao >>13024 I hope they include Rouge and Omega in future films >>13026 Nice! >>13082 If you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life! >>13083 lol, yeah
>>13095 I would have to agree with you, TP. I have less of a livid feeling and more of a frustrated feeling. Because I keep getting reminded that at one point in this man’s career he was able to draw very well and to see that all go away is just…ugh. Because I personally see it as one of Penders’ better modern works, but that’s a low bar to clear, cuz in the end, it still looks half hearted. If I can imagine how fans can do this a lot better than you, a “professional”, that just shows how bad things have gotten. Where at one point, Penders was beloved the community for his work only to be seen as a complete joke of a human being is just ugh. Y’know, the man was brought up in comparison to someone else, Tablos. Where both were seen as living punchlines to a joke by the community at large, Tablos was able to turn around his reputation after having a moment of clarity, where he finally realized that all this “escencia” talk was a bunch of nonsense, that his beef with Toyotaro was completely counterproductive and all it came when the man he hated the most came to him at his lowest. And now, the (Latin American) DB community has come to like the man. Penders, on the other hand, has done everything in his power to make the community hate him more. From everything with shade, to Lara-Su chronicles, to just being unpleasant in general, he’s still hasn’t had that moment of clarity. Which is a damn shame when he could of had it just a few months ago when he defended Flynn. He could have realized that Flynn was in a situation similar to him, from someone who was loved by the most of the community to seemingly loathed by that very same community. To finally, finally see that him and Flynn, one of the men he hated the most, was not all that different from him. But he didn’t. And that’s what frustrates me about Penders, he lacks self reflection. He cannot for the life of him reflect on his experiences with having to folate himself or to ever see himself in another man’s shoes. It’s always about him in the end. And I’m no pessimist, but I can’t imagine Penders ever having that moment of clarity even by the time he’s on his deathbed, he’ll still be whining about the same shit he’s whining about now. And that’s a frankly miserable way to go out.
Knuckles and the Chaotix https://mobiuscomics.com/knuckles
It’s bad! All bad! When the heroes have failed, it’s up to the villains to defend Angel Island! It’s their turf and they’re not going to let some out of town tourists mess things up for everyone! That’s the locals’ job!
>>13020 I'd like to think that Lien-Da would have a naturally large rack. Everything else, she's enhanced in. Gala-Na just has bigger tits(that are also natural)
A time traveler with a bunch of hints for stuff written on a chalkboard that we haven’t seen yet? Sounds familiar. I used to drop a note every day but after a while it was getting more and more difficult to keep up. So since it’s been a while, here’s a bunch more! Have fun figuring it out! I won’t be helping.
>>13106 >image is supposed to be sideways >thumbnail is right side up >enlarges into sideways My bit is ruined! Anyway, here's the always right side up version.
>>13099 Well said! It'd have taken very little for Penders to have not squandered his legacy and made himself the most hated Sonic creator. I mentioned it here >>4512 that if he'd just been less of a chode and actually took a critical look at his own actions I genuinely think he'd be remembered as fondly as Nigel Kitching and Nigel Dobbyn from Fleetway Sonic. Dude could've stood up for creator's rights, buried the hatchet with Flynn, and enlisted fans to help complete TLSC. As it stands he's got about 10 years of life left and there's no way he'll complete his comic. I think he knows this and has said he expects his kid to finish it >Tablos and Toyotaro I'm not familiar with the Latin American DB community, but that sounds really interesting. I guess lots of communities have creators that fall in and out of favor as well >>13100 Absolutely love Vs covers. It's always fun seeing the apposing sides lined up and facing each other and this one's got a great twist in that it's not the good guys versus the bad guys >>13102 The characters really do line up well here >Gay Duck and Kragok Ostensibly in charge, consider themselves the smartest in the room, lust for/idolize an older villain, ultimately job to more powerful threats >Maw and Julie-Su Calm and collected professionals hoping the situation won't deteriorate further >Thrash and Lien-Da Psychotic racism-fueled perverts. Should not be allowed near twitter for multiple reasons! >Marxio Bros and DL goons Cannon fodder >>13104 Deepest lore! >>13107 This would make a great iceberg infographic! >>13108 lmao, so the Konductor was Justin Freddy Gabrie all along!
>>13113 Thank you TP! I was waiting for your response. As I said, I can’t get truly angry with the man like you, I just get more frustrated because I’ll tell you this, I watched this video here: I Interviewed the most HATED man in the Sonic Fandom and after watching it, I can truly say I felt for the man. Many in the comments were saying similar things. I get reminded of something Elvis once said, “Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes.” Knowing why Penders was preoccupied with parent-child relationships, why Penders included so many references to Star Trek and shit like that, because like you said to MordredAnon before, what you create is often a reflection of you. Was it the best written, thought out, or handled? With hindsight, Fuck No. but it was still him within his run. One part of the video has always stuck with me. When the video revealed that Karl Bollers, that man that Penders had constantly butted heads with during his run was on his side when he sued Archie. That really showed to me that Bollers probably didn’t even hate the man if he was sideing with him because he could see that Penders sueing Archie was a fight for creator rights, something he was personally invested in. That’s why I can’t completely hate him because I know WHY he did what he did. Knowing that he joined the comic just to please his son is admirable to me, to know that his one of the earliest creators to interact with his fans online is admirable. The fact that he truly cares for the family and is there for his kids and grandkids compared to his father is ADMIRABLE. But to see that his once admired status in the community was tarnished by him and him alone is enough to make me go… ugh.
>>13115 As for Tablos, to make a long story short, he was seen a lolcow by the LatAM Dragon Ball community due to his antics when he returned to the internet in 2017, especially having this weird one sided hatred towards Toyotaro for being Toriyama’s successor because of SSJ5 (pictured above) because he created it. Also he HATED Dragon Ball Super to the point he called anyone who liked it sissies and girly men because to him it didn’t have the “True Essence” (Escencia) of Dragon Ball, which to him, was edgy shit that NEVER happened in the series, like saying Goku should never smile and that he used to kill his enemies in very violent ways like bathing in his enemies blood. Which got him widely mocked in the LatAM DB community to the point that “Escencia” is the spainish equivalent to “Ow the Edge”. But, after Akira Toriyama’s passing, he feel into a deep depression and at his lowest, he started to support Toyotaro, which caught his attention and he liked a pair of Tablos’ works on Twitter and thus, Tablos buried the (one-sided) hatchet with him and the two became friends and Tablos started to redeem himself in the eyes of the LatAM Dragon Ball community, embracing the memes and (hopefully) letting go of some of his past opinions.
>>13102 They probably need plenty of booze to do the deed then they both feel DIRTY afterwards >>13107 >Trunks, Cable, Rip Hunter and Doc Brown look on with approval. Meanwhile Booster Gold & Rachel Summers are fighting Iblis & Extant.
>>13115 No worries! I don't actually hate Penders, I just play that up because I like being dramatic (I'll genuinely never forgive him for turning my fictional husband into a creepy pizza delivery man though). I do think he's a clown, and has let his ego get the better of him, causing him to alienate his former fans and allow his art skills to atrophy
I'll watch that video soon and get back with my thought on it but if the main reason he got into the comics and stayed there was for his kid then I really can't fault him for that. I suspect his kid was a fan of the cartoons though since their household never had a Genesis (they use a tv remote as a controller in the Sonic Live comic). 100% agree that Penders the family man is almost certainly a very nice person, and that's really the only version that matters. As someone who won't be having kids I do truly admire people who realize their kids are their true legacy. Also agree on him being a trailblazer for fan interaction. Responding to emails, hosting his own forum, and even giving fans such as Dawn Best a start in comics were practically unheard of back then
I don't think it's right to tear him down even if he did put the wheels in motion to reboot then cancel the comic. It's also something fans seem to want to do to Flynn as well, and while I have serious criticisms for both of them, they don't deserve that (if nothing else it distracts from the real villains: Kaminski, the Archie execs, and the Sega execs). It disgusts me that Penders and Flynn could've made about the same amount of money working in fast food, and yet are somehow expected to deal with all the issues that come with being a celebrity. These are guys that are paid by the page, get no health insurance, no job security, and are somehow supposed to just donate their spare time answering fans' questions, attend conventions and constantly present a professional face that never reacts angrily to the vitriol fans can throw their way
Penders really does strike me as a moderately awkward guy that never expected to be thrust into the limelight, and gets extremely defensive when criticized. Honestly, if he'd gotten some media training, dude would've made real inroads for creators rights in comics
>>13116 Oh wow, he sounds like a Linkin Ball Z AMV come to life! Glad to hear he buried the hatchet. Death really does put things into perspective
>>13118 Penders probably needed a Jim Shooter type to reign him in. And Kaminski did fuck up and the Archie upper heads got caught up in supporting Riverdale which didn't help the comics side enough.
>>13119 Penders had his friend Mike Kanterovitch co-writing all his early stories and it wasn't until after he left that we got the family trees, Nazi allegories and drug overdoses. I think things would've turned out very different if Kanterovitch had stayed at Archie for longer. Yeah, they thought Riverdale was the answer to all their problems, which was a massive risk considering they're a comic book company. I never watched the show out of spite, but KJ Apa did make a cute redhead
>>13121 Well, you’re missing out TP! ‘Cuz I’ve watched enough of Alex Meyers and others reactions to the series to tell you that after season 1, the show completely goes off the rails. Like this show goes from a teen drama murder mystery to a science fiction, alternate reality, crime, teen drama that even the cast and the fans have no real clue what’s going on
>>13118 Also, it the plain fact that Penders just needs to get off of social media full stop. Not just Twitter, BlueSky as well. Cuz it ain’t good for him. It’s literally what the last minutes of this video: Ken Penders: The Weirdest Sonic Writer was saying.
>>13115 man, it's been so long since we talked about Pender's that I forgot when talked with thirsposter and he discussed how what you create is a reflection of you.
>>13107 >Say goodbye to tails i have many ideas where that is going, and something tells me it's a lot meaner than it means. >The cyberspace anomaly is BIG yes, pretty much. >if she's the princess, does that mean Scourge is... Shrek? Then who's donkey? because anti-tails is definitely farquad. >This island is like the bermuda triangle I wonder if it comes with fries? >His/her team is dead, now they want each other dead. Damn, You bringing IDW into this? >King max and queen alicia only have 2 kids right? TRIPLETS BORN
>>13115 Finally got around to watching the video and have some thoughts >SoA just threw out SoJ's backstory It was always intended that each region would tailor backstories to better fit their own culture, and was something Nintendo did too. It's 100% true that SoJ and SoA fucking hated each other though >Scott Shaw! only got $200 per page Fucking grim, even in 1990s dollars. Fun fact: that's the total price per page IDW is allegedly aiming for, including writing and art >endgame It really was Penders' greatest work and I'm completely convinced it's the only reason the comic continued in the first place. Also, not only did they kill off the main villain, but he stayed dead for several years in real time >Sonic's frenemy Knuckles More like frenemy with benefits amirite? >Sonic Live The issue's undoubtedly dogshit, but putting your kid in the comic to meet Sonic is a total chad move >Dan DeCarlo Honestly, good for Penders sticking up for him. Also, the Josie and the Pussycats movie is surprisingly good >Benny Lee lmao, Bollers secret identity will never not crack me up >Green Knuckles I'd like to point out that Penders did forget Knuckles was green, only realizing when the fans pointed it out >Locke is fucking dead I can't believe that was his favorite story. I mean I get it, but man >Return to Angel Island is Boller's hissy fit according to Penders It's seriously one of the best story arcs in the entire comic >Ian Potto I can't believe they never mentioned his Sonic and Teletubbies fanfic! >Penders being replaced by Flynn In that context, I can see why he'd be resentful. Not that it's Flynn's fault >Flynn also likes things that aren't Sonic Disgusting >Flynn is a method actor lmao, I do think that's going too far in the ballwashing direction >Didn't mention Penders doing Ben Hurst dirty Not very balanced reporting here >Archie has not great attorneys Like the Archie execs, they're supremely incompetent >Penders doesn't remember signing a contract I think we all know he signed a contract, but on the other hand fuck Archie >Penders blames Flynn for throwing him to the wolves after the reboot That really is petty. Flynn didn't even write anything mean about him, just speculated on what sort of comic Penders would do with the characters without all the Archie stuff and that the lawsuit didn't have legs. Flynn's not a lawyer and never claimed to be! >Sega pulled the license I disagree about this. Sega were doing 3D renders for alternate covers and it wouldn't be the first time Archie made a dumb decision >IDW Sonic is like a shouen manga, action packed and streamlined >It's different from the Archie series, but great in its own way lol. lmao even >tried to blur Lara-Su's breast, didn't quite succeed lol It's at 46:09
>>13124 Oh man, the things I'd do to that gender ambiguous slut! >>13125 I'll have to check it out then! >>13126 Both Flynn and Penders should. Really everyone should, but that's a separate discussion >>13134 >tfw you'll never impregnate Metal Sonic It's not fair ;_; >>13135 Aww, thanks for remembering! >>13136 >those poses gay duck and maw are pulling I feel personally called out! >That'd be crazy to see someone do that. Oh boy something else for me to procrastinate with! Fun fact: I came up with a lot of the entries for the Tamers iceberg infographic