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https://x.com/sonic_legacy/status/1829677223114420395 Good to see Sonic Legacy isn't dead. For a short while it was on a roll and I was thinking it would put out an issue every other month.
Knuckles and the Chaotix Issue 2 Page 6 https://mobiuscomics.com/knuckles
Ouch! A typical situation where two guys fight over a girl but usually not for this reason. Mighty defending Surge is very chivalrous but she is working for the bad guys. In fact, she’s a bad guy herself!
>>8200 I was expecting people to be much angrier towards Mighty but then I remember that he's attacking Knuckles. Not Sonic. Imagine how that would've been received.
https://www.deviantart.com/tsubasakei/art/Shattered-Crisis-Sonic-and-Sally-1093841006 >i deeply missed sonic and sally team tanggo tbh. I want her in modern media to whip sonic into shape lol >funny how i hate the pair when i was a kid, but as i grow older i can appreciate this power couple more! Also, first time drawing Eggman! And here I am, having her draw the Knuckles comic.
Ha! Nice feet! >>8226 Sonic has it too easy with all his non-Shadow friends sucking him off. Then again Sally would be sucking him off in a different way.
>>8227 It's sad, this new vision of Sonic Team making Sonic this squeaky clean, 100% corporate approved entity. His 90s personality all but gone, his 'coolness' thoroughly neutered. Can't have anyone challenge our one and only God Sonic. Thank god they brought back the edge in the 3rd movie.
Speaking of sucking, can we admit that this is one of the worst teams? It sucks because the two in the back do nothing but suck him off. It's so boring.
>>8228 >His 90s personality all but gone, his 'coolness' thoroughly neutered. That's why I liked Fleetway Sonic. He was genuinely a grumpy arrogant cunt, which gave him tons of personality.
But I've always thought that the "brooding Shonen rival anti-hero" characters make great protagonists. They have enough personality not to be boring but they're still relatable, since everyone gets angry.
>>8241 Yeah, Ian isn't to blame for the plotline, but he probably shouldn't have stretched it out the way he did. It took a while for Sonic and Tails to address the problem. I guess he felt like the other plotlines (ADAM, killing off Sir Connery and the rest of the extraneous characters) took priority.
>>8239 Yeah STC Sonic has always been based in my eyes. Some may find him a bit too harsh and I understand why. But it made him feel that much more 'real' as a character.
The "brooding Shonen rival anti-hero" is hard to get wrong, you have so much more leeyway when writing them.
>>8241 Bollers was the one who did it. >>8242 It could've been handled with more delicately. house of cards is such a strange thing. Two issues of this arguing and poof! It barely exists outside that bubble.
>Here's a sample of a couple of color-corrected pages from KEN PENDERS' KNUCKLES OMNIBUS Vol 1. My colorist Ethan is doing his best to match the colors from the SONIC 3 video game, which I think is a major improvement from the original.
>>8246 lmao, they straight up used the Angel Island Zone background sprites. Also, RIP Toasty Tails >>8245 I love that he got rid of the sewer pipe. Can't have anything comedic in this totally serious comic
>>8255 That would require Sega acknowledging Archie and Penders exists. >>8256 He has no rights to anything. The settlement allows him to use characters he created in new stories and even then they can't look like Sonic characters.
>>8254 I've tried not to be too harsh since it's just some kid doing the coloring at Penders' request. I actually think it would be a fun fan project taking old Archie comics and redrawing them to better suit the games, but to try and make money off of it really is in bad taste. I will say I really dislike the edits to Tails. His head looks bulbs without the hair tufts to balance things out. Also, if Penders really wanted to prove his critics wrong he'd actually finish TLSC. Fun fact: If the Konductor had started his comic at the same time as TLSC, we'd be reading the 50th issue by now, and yet Penders has only produced one issue's worth of original comic pages >>8255 It's really hard to tell with Sega. In 2015 they sent a cease and desist letter to The Dreamcast Junkyard to stop selling their The Ultimate Collectors Guide Book, which really was just a list of Dreamcast games and information about them. Of course, that was Sega of Europe, not Sega of America, so who knows https://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2015/10/the-ultimate-collectors-guide-book.html >>8256 Penders believes he can reprint (and apparently now recolor) anything he wrote, and anything (pre-Flynn) that he gets permission for. I disagree with this, but it's up to Sega to sue (and they're lazy af) >>8257 >That would require Sega acknowledging Archie and Penders exists. Honestly, it's more funny to have Sega pretend Penders doesn't exist than it is for them to sue him
>>8257 >Honestly, it's more funny to have Sega pretend Penders doesn't exist than it is for them to sue him I want Sega to do something like Capcom did with Mega Man. When Mighty No. 9 came out it was a huge failure then MM11 comes out and it does much better. Of course one can't say that MM11 was made because of Mighty No. 9. So what could Sega do? Allow all the unfinished comics from Archie to be completed and sell them in complete trades.
>>8260 >Penders puts out his bullshit >Sega goes fuck it and realize thry oen the characters from Sonic media >Enter Sonic & The Freedom Fighters game. >If it's 2D, it's done by the Sonic Mania Team or a Beat Em Up by the Streets of Rage 4 Team >If its 3D...they actually get a good team behind it >And they allow the unfinished comics, get in with Capcom's current Crossover Love and reprint the Mega Man Crossovers.
>>7794 TEAM DARK: SUPERNOVA ODYSSEY 3-25 https://teamdarksupernovaodyssey.tumblr.com Well, those of you that had Black Doom's jewelry backstory on their bingo sheets can cross that one off
https://x.com/Fravoccado/status/1830976481939665222 Goth Maria? That's new! And hot! Don't worry, she's like 40-50 years old now. Or she would've been...
https://www.tumblr.com/st-silver Someone went to the trouble of laying down my criticisms of uwu-Silver so I didn't have to! Fun fact: round eyes = bottom, pointy eyes = top is 100% true in yaoi
>>8276 I'm surprised Eggman's so low. Tails and Stone getting so little time is a travesty >>8278 ;_; >>8279 wake me up inside (I can't wake up) wake me up inside (Save me) call my name and save me from the dark (Wake me up) bid my blood to run (I can't wake up) before I come undone (Save me) save me from the nothing I've become Now that I know what I'm without You can't just leave me (oh, oh-oh) Breathe into me and make me real (make me real) Bring (bring) me (me) to life
Considering it came out two years after SA2, I'm 100% convinced Amy Lee's a Shadow fan
>>8280 Those who say original silver (or him in general) is anywhere near good is actually laughable. Fuck Silver glazers. Your keto shadow is shit! SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
>>8280 At least his character is intact in the sonic channel stories, which makes me wonder why Sonic Team let's IDW get away with raping his character so hard.
>>8297 I imagine Silver is one of the characters Sega doesn't care that much about and has less restrictions on how he should act. The very little amount of work Sega put into Silver is a stark contrast to how much they keep adding to Shadow and we all know how difficult it is to write him and get it approved. Remember that Silver shows up because portals lol. >>8300 Man, Archie Silver didn't give a fuck. He'd take on all the heroes if he had to. Mimic would have to give up his disguise and surrender just to be spared.
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 6 Page 24 https://mobiuscomics.com
And with that, we have reached the end of the Sonic 2 arc! Is Eggman truly dead? Where did the Death Egg fall to? Who will Sonic face next? Will having all the chaos emeralds help him? You’ll have to read the next issue to find out! Or play Sonic 3.
>>8303 >Eggman is dead >Battle Birds, fucked up >Sonic's getting action >Tails is tired of his shit
All's well that end's well. But a new Freedom Fighter? Will it be that master of adventuredom, Wombat Stu?! Also I think, call ot a hunch, Sonic is going to get punched. Hard.
>>8303 Arc wasn't too bad, pretty decent. >ends with sonally kiss Injecting that good stuff into my veins >You’ll have to read the next issue to find out! Or play Sonic 3 I'm hyped!
>>8300 lmao, he'd do that even if he had no idea "Duo" was a villain! >>8301 Yeah, they've got a consistent characterization for him in the Sonic Channel artwork, but he doesn't seem to be a priority. Shadow's Iizuka's favorite character so he gets way more scrutiny >we all know how difficult it is to write him and get it approved I think that's mostly down to Ian and Evan having a strong view of how Shadow should be written (i.e., Archie Shadow) that conflicts with what Sega wants. The other writers don't seem to have any issues with it. Of course, the other writers didn't have 20+ years of continuity cruelly snatched away from them, not only once but twice >>8303 Look how sad Tails is in the 3rd panel, he didn't get to finish off those birds ;_; Seriously though, another great issue! I can't believe we've got six complete issues already (and seven if you count Knuckles)! Ending with a cute Sonally moment contrasted with Tails' expression was a nice touch, especially since we all know who has to repair the suspension on Sonic's racecar bed >>8304 >But a new Freedom Fighter? Its Constable Remington, and he's joined the FFs as he needs their help to track down a (very handsome and stylish) serial kidnapper that targets young Mobian men. At least, that's how I'd write it! >>8305 Well said! lmao, for a minute there I thought I'd posted this
>>8304 >Sonic is going to get punched. Hard. So it is written! >>8305 >Injecting that good stuff into my veins Nothing like a healthy couple being romantic and kissing after the danger dies down. Or sometimes during danger. >>8306 >The other writers don't seem to have any issues with it. He was a problem in Sonic Boom because he couldn't make jokes and he can't have any of his backstory referenced. So he's just hanging out in a cave and the most evil character in the entire show. Prime was a challenge but the writers managed to work through it. Paramount can do whatever they want and they got Fowler who has legit history working on Shadow content.
Now that we're at a certain amount, there's a chance to put out more pages than before. And while more Sonic or Knuckles pages would be nice, let's give some focus to characters not in the current arcs. Think of this as the Sonic Universe of pages, but only one at a time. The first page will show what's going on with Little Planet and the people on it. When this page will be released for everyone to see has yet to be decided but it won't impact the schedule for Sonic or Knuckles.
>>8309 >He was a problem in Sonic Boom because he couldn't make jokes and he can't have any of his backstory referenced. Apparently Big had even more restrictions so they just didn't even use him. Still, I think making him a huffy grump that lives in a cave was pretty funny >Paramount can do whatever they want and they got Fowler who has legit history working on Shadow content. I'm really glad they got him on the movies. His cgi cutscenes were kino! >>8310 I may hate Penders but at least he theoretically cared about the characters and settings. I absolutely loathe Kaminski and hope all of his endeavors fail >>8311 That's adorable! >>8312 lmao, they really did mess up the eyes. Credit where credit's due, the colorist did at least correct panel 3 so that they're actually inside the airship >>8313 I really hope they bring Barry back in some capacity >>8314 lmao >>8319 Everyone's so mean to Silver ;_; >>8320 Nice! I do like the idea of having little slice of life pages since it makes the world feel more lived in >And while more Sonic or Knuckles pages would be nice, let's give some focus to characters not in the current arcs. I mean, if you're going to do another bathing scene with an Echidna certainly I have a suggestion!
When you're the star of the movie but you don't have the same star power as the others. >>8325 >I'm really glad they got him on the movies. His cgi cutscenes were kino! It all came full circle for him. >I may hate Penders but at least he theoretically cared about the characters and settings. I absolutely loathe Kaminski and hope all of his endeavors fail I wonder if Kaminski ever said anything about his time at Archie. The most I've heard was Ian being told by him to shove a Sonic Generations synergy arc in the comic while in the middle of another arc.
>>8326 When you think about it, Blaze is somewhere between Shadow (formal and aloof) and Tails (polite and unsure of himself) in terms of personality.
I 100% agree about Silver. Uwuver's a generic moe-blob and game Silver's just male Ryuko from Kill la Kill >>8327 To be fair, he is playing two characters so he should be getting more! >>8328 It's a pretty decent rate for a few hours in a recording booth and a few days on the PR circuit >>8329 Just think, he's getting over 100k per humph >>8332 I'm almost certain Sonic could pull some chaos emerald bs and regrow limbs
>>8334 Oddly enough, I actually kinda like it (and not just because I'll simp for anything with Rough and Tumble). You don't often see characters drawn exclusively head on or from the side. It's almost hieroglyphic-like
Playing the archie sonic fan game LOL!!!!!!!! If you even remotely like archie, you should try this. https://www.sonicfangameshq.com/forums/showcase/sonic-dungeons-prototype-fps.2216/
Shadow no! >>8343 Retractable wings is a really cool idea >>8346 He looks like a bigger creep! 😍 >>8349 lmao, I'm really going to have to give this one a shot! >>8351 You just wait, someday they'll have him do something cool in the games, someday! >>8353 When you think about it, the Robians are Max's equivalent to Locke's Dingo racism >>8359 >let's tale a delicate and somewhat sombre piano piece and add dubstep in the laziest way possible I'm actually impressed, they finally made bad Sonic music for a mainline game (Sonic 4 and Superstars don't count) >>8395 >Sonadow generations >Sonic foreplay Someone at Sega needs to take a cold shower!
>holding hands with a happy surge IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME, NOT HIM! >>8397 >When you think about it, the Robians are Max's equivalent to Locke's Dingo racism It would be pragmatic to wipe out all the dingoes. >>8410 Looking good. Funny thing is that here the image may look sideways in the thumbnail but loads in the right orientation. 4chan wouldn't have realigned it.
>>8419 >potentially killed a former friendship by thinking with his dick Oh that mighty. She is so going to take advantage of his naivety and good heart. With all this surge romance, wondering if you'll ever get kit on that love grind.
https://x.com/STHandmore/status/1832653286492565673 >Well, I found some images from the production of Sonic: The Movie (or "Sonic Movie" for the finer ones), so I'll show them in a little thread, at the end of this I'll put the credits of where I found them. Be warned: There's a lot and it ain't pretty. But interesting.
>>8264 The Heart of a Monster 9-29 https://thoam.the-comic.org/comics/373 Tails has got a plan! From the artist: >haha gotcha. he's not out of control! friends and character development, everyone.
>>8478 Big appearing would be for some light hearted comedy end credits. Rouge for the actual story isn't needed. There's no shards to collect and any back story on project shadow can be given by gerald himself.
>>8484 If I had to choose one of Penders' creations to save and bring into a hypothetical new Archie comic, I think it'd be Elias. The echidna characters are largely crap, and the good ones (Wynmacher and Remington) could probably be substituted with new characters the way Scourge was replaced with Surge. I'd fill the Scourge void by writing Surge and Jet better to fill the role.
Elias, though, is both likable and has a lot of interesting character potential. I was really impressed with the stories they wrung out of him in the preboot, especially since he seemed like such a stock character at the beginning.
>>8494 I would rather just have Scourge back than making someone else like him. But Elias was a nice guy despite it was obvious that penders intended him to be yet another way to shit on sally.
>>8506 >we're okay with giving old things explanations but not this old thing If you're going to be a hack at least go the way at this point. Stop pretending you and your team have any real integrity left.
>>8510 Sonic Frenzy 9-15 https://www.deviantart.com/killerboss2 That's the spirit, just ignore the creepy voice inside of you and pretend things are normal!
>>8474 While I do like him as a character (he's essentially Sonic when not on an adventure), I'm utterly sick of how they've made him nothing but a meme >>8480 >Rouge for the actual story isn't needed. There's no shards to collect and any back story on project shadow can be given by gerald himself. Rouge (and Amy) are extremely important in Shadow's character development, with him risking his life to save Rouge from Prison Island blowing up (and allowing him to realize there are people he still cares about), Rouge digging up info on his past (helping him realize Gerald is manipulative and an unreliable narrator), and Amy helping him realize what Maria's wish actually was. Also, without Rouge, there's no cute Knuxrouge sub-plot ;_; >>8486 lmao >>8491 Handsome! >>8494 Yeah, despite Penders' initial conception of Elias as Sally but boring, he ended up one of the most interesting preboot characters >the good ones (Wynmacher and Remington) could probably be substituted with new characters the way Scourge was replaced with Surge Remy is irreplaceable! >>8501 Some personal recommendations for the less well known ones: >Ikaruga I'm 100% convinced Sonic Team used this as the inspiration for the original final battle in Frontiers >Rez So trippy and weird! Fun fact: the ps2 version's the first videogame to have a vibrating butt-plug attachment! >House of the dead/Typing of the dead The plots and voice acting in this series is so cheesy and fun! >SGGG I've been waiting so long for an English translation ;_; >Powerstone 2 Highly recommend, it's such a fun little fighting game >Omikron: The Nomad Soul Not on the list, but definitely one to check out if you're a David Bowie fan
https://x.com/Alex_Hedgefox2/status/1833915253266268617 >FOUND MEDIA!!! >there were plans for another Sonic cartoon to be made for 2007 between SEGA & Phuuz that didnt happen. >so i reached out to the show's artists Gary Montalbano to ask what the show was gonna be like, and he provided me a piece of concept art he made for the show!
>>8531 >Gary had told me that the concept art he sent me was of an underground lair for the villains (which sounds like there mightve been more than just Eggman/Robotnik) >the concept art itself gives me very rustic SatAM/Rise of Lyric Vibes, which makes me happy.
>>8513 >Remy is irreplaceable! Fitting Remington into a modern Sonic comic is an interesting thought experiment, actually. Assuming Penders' worldbuilding is gone, you'd probably have to have him be some kind of esteemed echidna tribal warrior with an Incan name (Huaman? Atahualpa? Tupac?) who survives to be a good guy in the present day. He'd also be pretty tragic unless tribal versions of the Penders echidnas are there, since he'd have seen his people die out until only he and Knux were left.
>>8534 I'm still holding out hope we'll see the Nocturnus Clan again. It'd be pretty easy to slit Remington into a mid-level officer role or straight up have him lead the law enforcement branch of their order. The only difference would be that instead of being an outright good guy, he'd have to pretend to toe the line while bending the rules to help people. Could be a nice contrast to Shade's outright defection
I like the idea of him being an Echidna from Tikal's time that somehow survived to the present day, but agree it'd be too tragic if there weren't other survivors. I guess one of the other Echidna cities could've been transported to the present for some story-related reason and we could see them try to integrate with modern society with Knuckles' help
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 7 Cover https://mobiuscomics.com
Note: This arc takes place after the events of Knuckles issue 3.
A new member joins the Freedom Fighters as our heroes rebuild their wrecked headquarters! But with the backing of a mysterious and powerful organization comes a new revelation. The reports of Eggman’s death have been greatly exaggerated! The Death Egg has landed on a mysterious island and something there has transmitted its location to the FF. Sally thinks it’s a trap but Sonic thinks this is a chance to bring in the mad doctor. Besides, Sonic still has all the chaos emeralds. Nothing can stop him from flying there and picking up Eggman, right? R-right?
>>8540 don't mean to nitpick, but I think his spikes should be more forward when clenching. They're kind of in a weird position there imo. Otherwise, cover looks nice.
>>8542 😍 >>8543 Knuckles' spikes are frustratingly inconsistent, even in official art. The left hand's perfect in pic related, but the right has the spikes too far back and pointing up instead of forwards
Video:172614953522.mp4(996kB / 0:00:31 / avc1, 854x480)The truth behind Knuckles' spikes.mp4
>>8545 lmao, the only way he's hitting anyone with those is by pimp-slapping them! Surprised Sega let them get away with giving Knuckles 4 fingers, it's pretty much the only thing they actually cared about in preboot Archie.
Of course, you should all know the one true canon's answer to the hand spikes question
>>8545 >You're a genetically enhanced Mutant! Really sound like a villain from a 90s Cartoon, Locke. Hell, you sound like a Spider-Man TAS foe. Alao, Archie Knuckles is, in some way, a Proto-Shadow with his origins.
>>8550 Wait a second. Shadow's section is going to be about 30 pages? Surely it can't all be about the comic. Must have ads and related Shadow stuff as well.
https://www.deviantart.com/okida/art/S-T-C-Issue-23-Page-4-1097934806 Thankfully it was easily undone. Now get Tails interacting with Cosmo! Now! >>8552 Shadow, and by extension us, can never escape MUH RIA!
>>8550 >>8552 I find funny how they market Shadow's past as mysterious when we know fuck all about the other Sonic characters past, we literally have no idea what is Sonic's actual backstory lmao
Here's something for you to look at conductor, to later storytime https://x.com/BlueStreakComic/status/1834255883213119784 They even made their own website which is cool https://sonicbluestreak.webcomic.ws/
>>8545 >>8549 Lol, Locke calls his own son a mutant. Father of the year, right there.
>>8550 >>8552 >>8553 >>8554 Are they EVER gonna give us something to justify Shadow surviving after SA2? Everything they've done with him since (except 06 of all things) has just been SA2 memberberries.
Even fucking Vegeta had arcs about learning to love his family and respect Goku after he came back from death on Namek.
So people are getting mad about scans of the manga getting shared. Saying it's unethical, but same people have no problem with idw scans getting passed around... This fandom is so fucking stupid. >>8557 >Everything they've done with him since (except 06 of all things) has just been SA2 memberberries. More like this entire franchise has been nothing but old shit being used over and over
>have my commission art be called bueno in thread not even interacted it's over.....jokes aside I'm not into haremstuff ironically, I don't particularly get the idea of degrading female characters into orbiting props. Though there is the Mordred stuff but that's hypno and meant to be sleazy lol
>scroll down on DA >see this >actually had a double take Warning: poorly drawn coom of Sonic and Rosalina? I think. https://www.deviantart.com/kevinmix2020/art/SENFTEMBER-dia-8-Playa-1097957078
>>8556 Oh I remember this. Yeah there's a cover and a few pages so far. We'll see if anything more comes of it. >>8557 >Are they EVER gonna give us something to justify Shadow surviving after SA2? Everything they've done with him since (except 06 of all things) has just been SA2 memberberries. All they gotta do is put him on Team Dark and have them act like the antihero Freedom Fighters they're meant to be. >>8559 >leave the japanese company alone A good chunk of the fandom is weird. They worship Sonic, worship Japan, worship the games, and hate everything else. >>8560 Because Shadow was lucky to get his backstory in a game he wasn't meant to live past. And when he came back he got his own game that expanded on it. And then nobody else got the chance. From Sonic Adventure 2 to Shadow the Hedgehog, that small window was all allowed Shadow get fleshed out like that. >>8570 If it's the IDW thread on /co/ that whole thing is the typical complaining and schizoposting. I noticed a bunch of deleted posts and it looked like one person got banned and all their posts removed. >>8571 At least it's a human woman and princess. But not a redhead? As for DA moderation, they don't do anything unless it's reported.
>>8550 Oh man, we definitely have to storytime the dash and spin manga at some point and the terrible Unleashed one where Chip's an unlikable jerk >>8551 lmao, every other comic on the list looks optimistic or comedic, even the one literally called Shadow >>8554 >we literally have no idea what is Sonic's actual backstory lmao We know more backstory about literally every character except for Sonic and Eggman. Tails was committing Bird genocide, Amy was exploring, Knuckles was guarding his island, Rouge was a world-class thief. We even know more about Prof Pickle (attended university, got his PhD, became the world's foremost expert on the Gaia Manuscripts). We don't even know if Eggman's got an actual PhD, or if he's just grandstanding. Really all we can say is that Eggman was alive and presumably doing something before Sonic was born >>8556 Cute character designs! >>8559 >So people are getting mad about scans of the manga getting shared It's 100% unethical trying to preserve rare media so others can enjoy it. You'll never catch me doing anything like that ;) >>8560 The most we've got is how they first met, and some backstory for Tails (bullied as a child for his extra tail, talented at inventing, went on some adventures prior to meeting Sonic). We don't even know how Sonic and Eggman met (they've been clear that Sonic 1 wasn't their first encounter) >>8570 I didn't see that thread but I'm convinced some posters genuinely hate the idea that somewhere out there, someone might actually be having fun >>8571 >I thought coom was banned on DA DA itself has been promoting subscriptions to uncovered AI titty accounts for months now. If you look through the front page, half of it is AI slop 🤮
I really need to hit refresh before posting ;_; >>8573 >All they gotta do is put him on Team Dark and have them act like the antihero Freedom Fighters they're meant to be. It's literally in his bio that he's a grump that wants to fulfill Maria's wish (protect the Earth) and hangs around Rouge and Omega. They even do missions together in Heroes, StH, 06 and Forces! >A good chunk of the fandom is weird. More like 100%, but most are at least constructively weird >They worship Sonic, worship Japan, worship the games, and hate everything else. I suppose it's slightly better than SoJ, who hate Sonic, worship themselves, hate the games, and mega-hate everything else >>8573 >I noticed a bunch of deleted posts and it looked like one person got banned and all their posts removed. Yeah, there were a heap of posts removed, even though most of them seemed reasonable. Could be that guy who gets banned in other threads and gets all of his posts wiped out