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No.4424
After Dark Storytime: TLSCthirstposter ## VIP
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Greetings /co/cksluts, it's time for our darkest ~after dark~ storytime! Picking up from Mobius 25 years later (Archie Sonic #131–144), which finished in 2004, Penders initially planned on releasing The Lara-Su Chronicles back in 2012. 12 years later, and 20 years after the original story concluded, it's finally here! Send help!

I'm not going to storytime the whole M25YL, but I will revisit the last issue since the final page has been changed. Don't worry, I'll be providing a summary for each issue in case you haven't read it.

After scouring the Internet for a copy of this, I finally found one uploaded by Kiwi Farms user MerriedxReldnahc, who was brave enough to not only purchase, but to read and scan this abomination. Thanks to them! They've done a great job scanning this one so all I had to do was convert the pages into jpegs.
No.4425
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4424
And here's the cover, which should remind readers of another one
No.4427
Anonymous
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>>4425
NOOOOO, TURN BACK!! WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!
No.4428
Anonymous
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>>4424
Here we go!
No.4429
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4425
It's the cover from Sonic the Hedgehog #131! Penders really did butcher it
No.4430
Anonymous
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>>4425
This cover never fails to look awful. A poor attempt at Spaz’s cover which was then a nice homage to a X-men one
No.4431
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4429
And if you were wondering what the "after Cockrum" was referring to, Dave Cockrum's a cover artist from Marvel that's probably most famous for his X-Men covers. Pic related is the one I think they're paying homage to
>>4427
It's too late for me, save yourself!
>>4428
oooooooo!
No.4432
Anonymous
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>>4429
It's just another homage to Giant-Sized X-Men #1
No.4433
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4431
Fun fact: #131's cover was originally going to be pic related
>>4430
It really is just absolutely awful
No.4434
Anonymous
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>>4429
I wonder how spaz feels about ken tracing his art
No.4435
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4433
>but TP, I haven't read all M25YL! How can I hope to follow this storytime?
Well you're in luck, you can read the full issues here:
https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/141014499.html#141015164
https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/141032455.html
https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/141048977.html
https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/141064926.html

Or you can read my recap:
131: Lara-Su attends school, Rotor arranges a royal dinner between Sonic and Knuckles' families, and Knuckles convinces Lara-Su to attend her unveiling.
132: Lara-Su celebrates her unveiling, Rotor discovers that the space/time continuum is on the verge of collapsing due to the result of constant zone jumping (it's all Sonic's fault), Knuckles gets a letter from Rotor about having an urgent meeting.
133: Rotor informs Knuckles about the space/time continuum collapsing, Rotor has a plan to save the universe, Rutan overhears the situation.
134: Knuckles finds Rutan and Salma overhearing them and running away, Spectre calls Lien-Da a treacherous wench, Lien-Da's tits are still fantastic.
135: Lien-Da the dommy-mommy bullies Rutan for info about Knuckles' meeting with Rotor, Dimitri is still a head in a bubble.
136: Julie-Su, Sally, and Lien-Da FaceTime each other, that Koala is terrifying.
137: Sonic, Sally, Manik and Sonia arrive on Angel Island, Knuckles looks cute in his skintight leather jumpsuit.
138: But(t)ler has fun drawing the women in swimsuits, Sonic's a jerk to his son, Knuckles discusses the crisis with Sonic.
139: Julie-Su cockblocks Manic, and the girls have a slumber party.
140: Sonic and Knuckles ditch their wives to go on a moonlit stroll through the garden, recapping events and flirting.
141: Sonic and Knuckles go to see Cobar and his (alleged) boyfriend Rotor to see if anything can be done to save the universe, But(t)ler spices things up with Sally and Julie-Su in lingerie.
142: Sonic agrees to use the Tachyon Chamber to travel back in time in order to save Mobius, But(t)ler draws a mega fine Sally.
143: Locke fucking dies.
144 (original): Sonic accidentally alters the timeline, changing things for everyone on Mobius.

Overall, almost nothing happens outside of But(t)ler getting to draw his favorite ladies. The other stories in these issues are way more fun, and unlike this mess actually feature Remington!

>>4432
I really should've asked which one it was referencing instead of looking through every single one of Dave Cockrum's covers ;_;
No.4436
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4435
Now, on to Sonic the Hedgehog #144! At least we get some nice But(t)ler art
>>4434
Apparantly Penders was in contact with Spaz and But(t)ler, but they wanted nothing to do with this. Of course they're still working in the industry and haven't alienated all of their fans
No.4437
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4436
Words!
No.4438
Anonymous
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>>4435
Thanks for the recap but this highlights how fucking dull that was. Over 10 issues to tell this shit. Butler really was the champ with this to make it slightly bearable
No.4439
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4437
Unf! That skintight leather jumpsuit!
No.4440
Anonymous
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>>4431
That cover is a homage too. This is the original cover. And to be fair, it's one of THE iconic team covers along with X-Men #1, Fantastic Four #1, JLI#1, Avengers #4, Brave & The Bold #60 & New Teen Titans #1.
No.4441
Anonymous
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>>4439
>I’m sad you didn’t meet my shitty dad
Really knuckles? But I will say I unironically like his arc of not wanting to be like the last guardians and he better towards lara
No.4442
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4439
So Lara-Su is going to be the next guardian after all. What a twist!
>>4438
No worries, I figured I'd re-read M25YL to fully prepare myself. I really had to stretch things for the highlights, it's that uneventful!
No.4443
Anonymous
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>>4436
>but they wanted nothing to do with this
For the best
No.4444
Anonymous
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>>4439
It's honestly not a bad look. Also thank Aurora, Chip and eve. The Source she never met Locke.
No.4445
Anonymous
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>>4442
You know I’ve always thought Lara was pretty neat. Turned out to be pretty decent character all things considering being daddy’s girl and wanting to actively guard instead of thinking it as a burden.
No.4446
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4442
At least Sally and Knuckles still get along
>>4440
Ah! I knew it looked familiar!
>>4441
Gotta hammer home that Locke is always right! Yeah, I do like the idea that Knuckles is the one to break with traditions and actually raise his child normally
No.4447
Anonymous
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>>4445
That's why it really sucks that Penders is trash. There's potential here.
No.4448
Anonymous
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>>4446
Oh yeah sally, she’s in this
>>4447
Damn right. His stuff was better handled by people like Karl and Ian
No.4449
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>>4446
Cobar (Rotor's alleged boyfriend) continues to melt
>>4443
Well they do have eyeballs!
>>4444
>those digits
Well that confirms it! It really is cool and futuristic, while still remaining practical. I'm guessing Butler or Spaz made the design
>>4445
I actually really like her as a character, but that's mostly due to her cool design and how she was written by others
No.4450
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>>4449
I love the wacky spacesuits and how they're designed for Sonic's quills
>>4448
If she weren't, I don't think Butler would've agreed to do the art!
No.4451
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>>4450
It's the Tachyon Chamber, a device built by Robotnik that sends one person back in time
No.4452
Anonymous
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>>4448
Funny, if Silver is Trunks, Lara-Su has to be Cable or Rachel.
No.4453
Anonymous
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>>4449
Sally and Knuckles friendship is over looked and underrated. And hey Harry! I’m surprised ken wrote such a neat character
No.4454
Anonymous
Replies:>>4457
Broader /co/ absolutely needs this storytime too, but first we feast
No.4455
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4451
And I'm already out of sync with my catty comments ;_;
No.4456
Anonymous
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>>4455
Reminders penders had knuckles kill Eggman and not Sonic
No.4457
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4455
That's what you get for stowing away Julie-Su!
>>4452
Oh man, Cable was one of my favorites growing up. So many poches, so much angst!
>>4453
He does a great job when a character isn't one of his favorites
>>4454
Someone else can storytime it for them, I refuse!
No.4458
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4457
And M25YL finishes with Sonic's uncertain fate, but the afterward ends on an uplifting note. So how are things changed? Read on to find out, if you dare!
>>4456
And the Gian Borg!
And Dr. Droid!
No.4459
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4458
Translator's note: Praetorian is Latin for Guardian
Override™? It's fucking Dr. Droid isn't it?
No.4460
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4459
>Editor-In-Chief Victor Gorelick finally noticed I had a green Knuckles running around and he wanted the character reverted to his SEGA-licensed appearance.
Too bad you never noticed it yourself!
No.4461
Anonymous
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>>4458
All that issues wasted for that originally lol
No.4462
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4460
>taking a page from the late, great Jack Kirby
lol, lmao even
No.4463
Anonymous
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>>4451
>Tachyon Chamber
Yet Ivo didn't use a Tachyon Compacitor to truly make it work!
No.4464
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4462
Is-is that a copy-pasted Geoffrey head?
>>4461
20 years later and I'm still mad!
No.4465
Anonymous
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>>4460
>>4462
WORDS WORDS WORDS!!!!
No.4466
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4464
Notice how Geoffrey sits on his chair backwards just like Riker from Star Trek? It's how you know he's cool
>>4463
His boyfriend always was the better scientist!
No.4467
Anonymous
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>>4464
Oh my god, kens art... I miss butler :(
No.4468
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4466
My husband's a pizza delivery man with a porn stache ;_;
>>4465
Oh boy, we haven't even started the WORDS yet!
No.4469
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4468
Oh great, Geoffrey's flirting with Remington. Is it too late for me to back out of this storytime?
>cyberdark colony
FFS
>>4467
That's the reason I wanted to ease into this storytime with Butler. This really is dreadful ;_;
No.4470
Anonymous
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>>4468
what happened to you remington.
No.4471
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4469
Is Rotor a rhino now? That Knuckles will stick with me for the rest of my life ;_;
No.4472
Anonymous
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>>4463
Imagine penders writing wily or bette yet make some bad guy OC to best wily
No.4473
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4471
Star Trek words
>>4470
He looks like he's in a low budget porn parody ;_;
No.4474
Anonymous
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>>4468
>pizza delivery man
Oh God, he does look like one. Even moreso than Terry Bogard. From Traffic Cop/Ranger to "Your Pepperoni and Garlic is here"
No.4475
Anonymous
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>>4469
Are the cyberdark the DL or nocturnus? Also ken made my nigga spectre look lame
No.4476
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4473
I was not expecting to see exposed Echidna brains
>>4472
But he already did, he wrote the "original" character Dr. Droid, and he can beat anyone! You just know Penders writing Wiley would be Captain N: The Game Master-tier characterization
No.4477
Anonymous
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>>4471
Old that lara...
No.4478
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4476
Fun fact: Penders made the spaceships in the 3d modeling software Blender
>>4474
It's so bad ;_;
>>4475
Yes! Seriously though, they're the Dark Legion. Yeah, he took the coolest grandpa and made him look awful
No.4479
Anonymous
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>>4472
>>4476
>Penders writing Wily
Good Fucking Night. He'd probably make American Darkstalkers Cartoon Morrigan and Demitri look threatening.
No.4480
Anonymous
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>>4473
UGLY ASS CAT
No.4481
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4478
I'm barely taking in the plot, the expressions are too distracting
>>4475
>Also ken made my nigga spectre look lame
And now he looks even worse!
>>4477
A suspiciously well-rendered butt!
No.4482
Anonymous
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>>4476
>chromosome trouble
The anonamly gives you autism probably
No.4483
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4481
He looks even worse without the hat ;_;
>>4479
*shudders*
>>4480
I wonder if it's from that Star Trek: The Animated Series?
No.4484
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4483
>TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, TURN THE PAGE!
Feels more like a threat than an invitation
>>4482
lmao
No.4485
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>>4484
TLDR: Knuckles is dead so this is a Lara-Su story now. What is the fucking point of this comic?
No.4486
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4485
Dun dun dun!
No.4487
Anonymous
Replies:>>4491
Help
No.4488
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4486
I don't fucking know. Gotta pad out the page count I guess
No.4490
Anonymous
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>>4485
KNUCKLES IS FUCKING DEAD
No.4491
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4488
Now that's some realistic beach scenery!
>>4487
There is no help, only Penders
No.4492
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4491
>SPACE SECTOR X3793491770256333492
Did Penders stroke out on his keyboard?
>>4490
;_; Oh I've got words for that, but I'm saving them for later in the storytime
No.4493
Anonymous
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>>4491
Pretty beach. Too bad an ugly echidna thing is there to ruin it
No.4494
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4492
Enter that one (and only one regardless of the angle he's drawn in) photo of Anthony Mackie! He played Falcon in those Marvel movies, and according to Penders may play this character in TLSC movie!
No.4495
Anonymous
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>>4485
>Kobiyoshi Maru
Isn't that just straight up ripping off Stark Trek?
No.4496
Anonymous
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>>4494
LMAO WHAT IS THIS
No.4497
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4494
It's not a photoshop disaster, it's découpage!
>>4493
I'm surprised she doesn't topple over with a head that big!
No.4498
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4497
STOP TALKING ABOUT STAR TREK YOU GIGANTIC NERD!
>>4495
Correct!
>>4496
DESTINY!
No.4499
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4498
0/10 butt, do better Penders
No.4500
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4499
I'm at a loss for words
No.4501
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>>4500
Wow, you can barely tell he crudely traced over Butler's art!
No.4502
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>>4501
It's staring into my very soul!
No.4503
Anonymous
Replies:>>4505
We are lucky to storytime this masterpiece first
No.4504
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4502
Swirly photoshop magic
No.4505
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4504
He sure does like using that creepy image of Knuckles
>>4503
Yes, "lucky"
No.4506
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4505
>fark
I wonder if that site's still around
No.4507
Anonymous
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>>4502
Very wholesome to have a family outing while naked and we sure needed to see breatsfeeding!
No.4508
Anonymous
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>no youtube video
I suppose no one cares after all
No.4509
Anonymous
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>>4500
LOL WHAT TBE FUCK
No.4510
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4506
This dodge and burn shading is something else
>>4507
In hindsight I should've marked that NSFW
No.4511
Anonymous
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>>4501
Butler didn’t deserve this
No.4512
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>>4510
So Knuckles died offscreen. Decades of building up Knuckles' great destiny, where he fights and defeats the Giant Borg and saves the multiverse, all to be discarded. I'll be honest, I'm genuinely upset at this.

Gay shit, feel free to ignore:
The Knuckles stories were always my favorite in Archie and I loved seeing his world expand, gaining friends he could count on, a girlfriend willing to discard everything she ever knew to be with him, and even regaining his family and people. Knuckles (being the last Echidna) was different to everyone else on the island and had a secret he had to be careful about sharing with anyone (the Master Emerald and its location). Growing up I could relate to that and admired how he handled things, never allowing it to stop him from enjoying life

When Penders announced that he was going to continue the series I was excited to finally see his vision completed. Finally all the buildup will pay off, and he won't be limited by Archie and Sega's constraints! As time went on, Archie Sonic was gutted and then canceled, which was just awful. During the lawsuit, I read up on how he treated Ben Hurst and saw how he interacted with people on twitter. It became increasingly obvious that he's just a rude blowhard that's more interested in taking his ball and going home than creating.

I'm going to be frank here: Penders is 65 years old, and has about 10 years left based on the life expectancy of an American male. At his current rate of production, it is unlikely he will live long enough to finish TLSC. His professional legacy has always been his work on Knuckles and he's not even going to bother giving him a satisfying conclusion to his story. Even Tommy Turtle got a proper sendoff.

I'd like to contrast this with Nigel Kitching and Nigel Dobbyn, who came back in 2018 to do a final story for Sonic the Comic where they gave a heartfelt and beautiful end to a comic they worked on all those years ago. They did this completely pro bono, in a fan continuation of a comic that stopped printing new stories in 2000, all so that their fans could have closure. They collaborated with fanartist Michael Corker to complete this, and have been nothing but courteous and kind to their fans in general.

Penders, despite (allegedly) obtaining the rights to profit off of his work at Archie has completely squandered this chance. He could've hired artists and an editor to speed things up for a fraction of what he's spent printing this abomination, and just released it digitally. Half the Archie Sonic fandom would've jumped at the chance to be involved through crowdfunding or helping out directly, but he was determined to alienate the only people interested in his work. Now the only people interested will be YouTubers that make fun of comics.

I could just end the storytime here, but I'll continue since The Ride™ never ends (and because I pre-typed my catty comments)
No.4513
Anonymous
Replies:>>4517
I’m literally standing in the rain reading this master piece. Great.
No.4514
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4512
So that's what Sabre looks like now
>>4508
Give it time!
>>4509
It really is something else. What that something else is, I have no idea!
>>4511
None of us did anon, none of us did
No.4515
Anonymous
Replies:>>4519
I wonder how Penders will feel once he finds out that the best version of Athiar has nothing to do with him.
No.4516
Anonymous
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>>4512
Just like that? Damn
No.4517
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>>4514
Got to balance out the gayness of not-Rotor and Cobar with Lara-Su's butt
>>4513
It's like you're in the ending of Blade Runner!
No.4518
Anonymous
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>>4517
When I cry from this, no one will notice it!
No.4519
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4517
I don't know what's going on. I keep reading it and I still don't know what's going on
>>4515
Penders could not comprehend Tamerskino
>>4516
Just like that ;_;
No.4520
Anonymous
Replies:>>4524
>>4514
Sabre was like one of the only people to call Locke out on his shit
No.4521
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>>4519
And here's a sneak peek for the next volume. Be sure to come back in 2036 for the next storytime! But don't go yet, we've still got more to look at!
>>4518
All according to keikaku!
No.4522
Anonymous
Replies:>>4526
>>4517
Lol so this really is supposed to be rotor. Ken really failed at trying any bit of sexiness
No.4523
Anonymous
Replies:>>4526
Why are the females nude?
No.4524
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4521
I was not expecting the bio to be 50% genealogy, but I really should have
>>4520
Yeah, he and Spectre were pretty cool
No.4525
Anonymous
Replies:>>4528
>>4521
OVER A FUCKING DECADE TO END ON YET ANOTHER CLIFFHANGER?!?!?!?
No.4526
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4524
More words
>>4522
I think so! Yeah, he could've just traced over a hetero couple here if he didn't want to look at boys holding hands
>>4523
Something something, Echyd'nya culture
No.4527
Anonymous
Replies:>>4530
>>4524
>>4526
Jesus Christ Penders. Notice how he keeps trying world build and not really explain g the character’s personality
No.4528
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4526
Here it is, the page you've all been waiting for!
>NUMBER OF CONFIRMED KILLS: Classified
lmao. Notice that it says known colleagues, not known friends?
>>4525
Oh anon, you've just got to wait until the next volume, which should be here in 2036!
No.4529
Anonymous
Replies:>>4531
>>4526
Why is the family tree half of her bio?
No.4530
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>>4528
lmao, this is literally just a more wordy Coldsteel bio. Don't believe me?

>bio: geoffrey was born with a special power. he was stronger than all his classmates in the acorn fighting academy. he served in the acorn military fighting robotnik and the final battel against robotnik they were fighting and naugus turned him to the darkness and geoffrey turned against sonic and killed him. he lost apart of his ear in the battle which is why he doesnt have apart of his ear, pls stop PMing me why thats why. also earrings arent gurly fuck you ian flynn everyone knos your a fuckin archie fagot

>likes: hurtin people,bein badass,motorcycles,nine inch nails (the band),killing,death,punk rock,jinco jeans,skulls,darkness,hot girls with big boobys who are sluts,ninne inch nails(on finger),earings,purple (cool kind not the gay kind)

>dislikse: niceness,happiness,levis,ian flynn from school fuck you ian stop showin everyone my fucking deviantart you peace of shit,trent razner,short nails,archie(megga ass-faggot),sunshine,life, my dad, football

>©ken_penders_boi69

>>4527
Even the worldbuilding's terrible. How the fuck am I supposed to read these years and heights?
No.4531
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>>4530
My husbando ;_;
He's completely rewritten Remington's back story to make it lame
>>4529
You'd think he'd just do another family tree
No.4532
Anonymous
Replies:>>4535
>>4528
>female relationships
>princess acorn
He’s still on with this shit?!?!
No.4533
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4531
>enjoying the many cultural advantages of city living with his girlfriend Komi-Ko.
>his girlfriend Komi-Ko.
>Komi-Ko.
TRUUUU FARRR PENDERS!
No.4535
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>>4533
You just know Butler would've made Lien-Da absolutely rock that outfit
>>4532
Pissing off Archie fans is basically the only thing Penders has to cling on to relevancy
No.4536
Anonymous
Replies:>>4543
>>4530
Coldsteel is cooler than penders Geoffrey
>>4531
>>4533
Seriously, in these bios he doesn’t have a section to explain their personality just history shit. And I’m like one of the other few remyfags and why does he have to make my boy so ugly
No.4537
Anonymous
>>4530
Does Ken know that he doesn't own the name Kintobor
No.4538
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4535
>Even Lien-Da's son Rutan has no idea who his father is
It's Finitivus, we all know it's Finitivus
>>4534
People have told him on twitter, but he disagrees!
No.4539
Anonymous
Replies:>>4545
>>4535
Look what he did to Conductors waifu! My god
No.4540
Anonymous
Replies:>>4545
>>4538
Someone should show him the Sonic Bible than
No.4541
Anonymous
Replies:>>4545>>4546
>>4538
>we all know it's Finitivus
I can imagine the ordeal was taxing for him as he found out she was a freaky fuck.
No.4542
Anonymous
Replies:>>4545
>>4535
very diva-isnous
No.4543
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4538
>SPECIES: Homo
Ha! Also, why are his measurements in cm?
>>4536
>Coldsteel is cooler than penders Geoffrey
Coldsteel is cool in general!
>And I’m like one of the other few remyfags and why does he have to make my boy so ugly
Patrician taste anon! Yeah, it's genuinely upsetting to see my favorite character looking like this. At least the Konductor's been spared from a redesigned Sally
No.4544
Anonymous
Replies:>>4548
>>4543
I’m still taken aback ken did that minority bit with this guy
No.4545
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>>4543
More words! About a character no one cares about and who doesn't even interact with the rest of the cast!
>>4539
It's so bad! And not in a good way!
>>4540
Someone should throw an actual Bible at him, cast those demons out!
>>4541
To be fair, he's completely insane and an expert with warp rings ;)
>>4542
lmao, I'll never get over that!
No.4546
Anonymous
Replies:>>4549>>4550
>>4541
>Finitevus finds out he got Lien-Da pregnant
>Cut to the motherfucker rapidly getting his things and taking a Warp Ring to some alternative Zone.
No.4547
Anonymous
Replies:>>4550
>>4545
Ken thinks he’s toilken
No.4548
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>>4545
>KNOWN FRIENDS Lara-Le (K'Nox's mother)
I guess the Chaotix won't be making an appearance
>>4544
Yeah, Penders one of those progressive types that's so out of touch he ends up sounding racist. Also the whole point of Star Trek was that they're a post-racial society, he should've just copied that!
No.4549
Anonymous
>>4546
Lmao
No.4550
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4548
That is the most natural position for breastfeeding, but I'm not sure why we needed it in the bio
>>4546
He's just stepping out to get milk!
>>4547
And Stan Lee! And Gene Roddenberry! And Jack Kirby!
No.4551
Anonymous
Replies:>>4555
>>4548
I’d hate to see Lara su chronicles chaotix
No.4552
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4550
Words!
No.4553
Anonymous
Replies:>>4554>>4555
>>4548
Does Ken seriously think that he owns the right to the name Mobius?
No.4554
Anonymous
>>4553
Probably
No.4555
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4552
And that's it! I'm gonna go lie down now because that gave me a Rita Repulsa-tier headache
>>4551
Yeah, at least they, along with Sonic, Sally and the rest of the non-Echyd'nya were spared this abomination
>>4553
He probably thinks he owns the artist Moebius too!
No.4556
Anonymous
Replies:>>4558
>>4550
Why Ken
No.4557
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4555
Oh, and rate this issue, if you dare!
No.4558
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4556
I genuinely think it's to punish Archie fans, since he never wanted his legacy to be Sonic comics
No.4559
Anonymous
Replies:>>4561>>4563
>>4545
>he's completely insane and an expert with warp rings
>We see Lien-Da casually in her quarters. Just lounging around.
>She puts two fingers in a smaller Warp Ring.
>In a Dark Legion Basement, we see a tied & gagged Finitevus moaning like a bitch
No.4560
Anonymous
Ken gonna try to put in characters from all 3 of the Dic shows from Sally to Wes Wesley to Bartleby just watch
No.4561
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4559
Oh my! Now you're thinking with portals!
No.4562
Anonymous
Replies:>>4566
>>4555
Thank you for subjecting our eyes to this, thistposter.
>>4557
The dialogue is fucking dull and just so much words. I read through but I have no idea on what’s actually happening. Penders has this established world that he expects everyone who reads to just know. The characters just keep spouting more shit we have no idea what they’re talking about. Which is just terrible. If this is supposed to be like a first issue to ease people into its world then he failed because it also hinges on some Archie sonic knowledge and even in that he did the same shit. And then he has the gall to end on another cliffhanger.

Mediocre trash/10. I can’t believe my favorite Sonic canon died for this GARBAGE. GARBAGE that he took literal years to finally shit out and it’s only an issue. Fuck Penders
No.4563
Anonymous
>>4559
Spicy!
No.4564
Anonymous
Replies:>>4566
>>4561
We all know, Lien-Da is the top/domme in a sexual relationship.
No.4565
Anonymous
Replies:>>4573
>>4557
-1000/10
No.4566
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4562
>Thank you for subjecting our eyes to this, thistposter.
You're welcome, and I'm sorry!
>The dialogue is fucking dull and just so much words.
I've tried to read the entire thing several times and my eyes just glaze over. The art's so awful, the story has no pacing, and the dialogue's so clunky and dull I just can't bring myself to actually pay attention.
>And then he has the gall to end on another cliffhanger.
That really pissed me off. At least give us some satisfying conclusion that hints at what's to come next!
>Mediocre trash/10. I can’t believe my favorite Sonic canon died for this GARBAGE. GARBAGE that he took literal years to finally shit out and it’s only an issue. Fuck Penders
Couldn't agree more. Fuck Penders
>>4564
I mean, she does have an electric whip and parades around in a skintight leather jumpsuit with thigh-high boots!
No.4567
Anonymous
Replies:>>4573
>>4512
Waited till the end to respond but
>spoiler
Honestly touching to hear that from you and understand your disappointment with how Penders handled stuff. Guy is such a jerk and the master of mishandling things. I just wonder if he’s truly satisfied doing those things.
No.4568
Anonymous
Replies:>>4573
>>4566
No idea why he draw them so fucking ugly. It’s sorta sad as his Sonic art used to be somewhat decent.
No.4570
Anonymous
Replies:>>4571>>4573
The fact that this fucker still have.fans make me angrier than anything else.
No.4571
Anonymous
No.4572
Anonymous
Replies:>>4574
does this guy still have fans
No.4573
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4565
Let's hope his grade improves with the next volume!
>>4567
Thanks anon, that means a lot. Archie Knuckles has always been my favorite character and like it or not, a lot of it was down to Penders' worldbuilding. Reading the stories as a kid you don't really notice all the bad writing so I really did enjoy Penders' work. I was also happy for him to secure the rights to his characters, since the publishers have exploited writers and artists for so long. Now I'm just disappointed
>I just wonder if he’s truly satisfied doing those things.
On some level he has to know that the comic's not very good and twitter can't have helped. There's hundreds of young artists with no experience putting out better Sonic comics for free, and much more frequently. For a guy at the end of his career, that's got to sting. Also, to go to the trouble of the lawsuit only to squander your remaining years procrastinating and alienating your remaining fans can't feel good
>>4568
He's always been a lazy artist, so without an editor to keep him on track and critique his work, I think his skills have atrophied
>>4570
He doesn't have many, but some will hang on no matter what
No.4574
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4584
lmao, the post on 4/co/ referencing this thread was deleted
>>4572
I've seen a few defending him on twitter, and I'm assuming at least some of the book sales are to genuine fans, and not he morbidly curious
No.4575
Anonymous
Replies:>>4579>>4582
>>4573
Penders needed a Jim Shooter to keep his ass in check. And as for taking it to Archie, I'm all for writers and artists getting their bread, his problem is that he made characters for a licensed comic. Native to the comic adaptation but still owned by the parent company.
No.4576
Anonymous
Replies:>>4578>>4582
Ken is referiring Archie sonic stuff as the mobian line now lol
No.4577
Anonymous
Replies:>>4581>>4582
GRRRR PENDERS BETRAYED US
No.4578
Anonymous
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>>4576
Didn't AoSTH come out before SatAM? Isn't that the original Mobius Line?
No.4579
Anonymous
Replies:>>4585
>>4573
No problem. If there’s a positive as I mentioned at least his ideas would be better handled by other writers and he did some neat ones to build off of
>>4575
Mike Kanterovich was basically his tard wrangler and he’ll broke loose when he stopped leashing Ken
No.4580
Anonymous
Replies:>>4585>>4586
>>4578
I think mobius and mobian came first from the old sonic bible
No.4581
Anonymous
>>4577
SOILED IT SOILED IT!
No.4582
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4575
>Penders needed a Jim Shooter to keep his ass in check.
He really did
>And as for taking it to Archie, I'm all for writers and artists getting their bread, his problem is that he made characters for a licensed comic. Native to the comic adaptation but still owned by the parent company.
Yeah, I agree with that. I was (naïvely) hoping that the lawsuit would spur some reform in the industry so that writers and artists would see a share in the profits of reprints/collected volumes. I don't think Penders actually owns the rights to these characters (and nor should he)
>>4576
He really is something else!
>>4577
He betrayed us, and ultimately himself. Imagine being at the end of your career and knowing that almost all of your readers hate you
No.4584
Anonymous
Replies:>>4588
>>4574
I’m genuinely curious how you can still be a fan of the guy who got the comic you liked killed
No.4585
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4578
They were developed at the same time (by different studios), but AoStH came out a few months before
>>4579
>No problem. If there’s a positive as I mentioned at least his ideas would be better handled by other writers and he did some neat ones to build off of
Yeah, he really did provide an interesting setting for others to do cool stuff in
>Mike Kanterovich was basically his tard wrangler and he’ll broke loose when he stopped leashing Ken
100% this
>>4580
That's right. I think it's also the one with the Kintobor origin story, which was only really properly adapted by StC
No.4586
Anonymous
Replies:>>4588
>>4580
It did and not only that but also the name Kintobor and Sally Acorn
No.4588
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4584
I don't know. I guess they felt everything after Penders left was not canon so it didn't matter if it got canceled
>>4586
>Sally Acorn
That too! There's also a version where Sonic was originally a regular hedgehog from Nebraska
No.4589
Anonymous
Replies:>>4590
With Ken already and looking to reprint more sonic related stuff, I wonder how he’s getting away with it. Reprinting stuff with Sonic franchise characters. The dark thoughts I have are telling me that maybe they just don’t give a fuck because it’s Archie stuffs. Man...
No.4590
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4588
>There's also a version where Sonic was originally a regular hedgehog from Nebraska
Looked it up and I was right:

Sonic (whose real name is revealed to be Sonny Hedgehog) lives under a hedge next to a burger joint in Hardy, Nebraska, with his mother and five sisters. He is a regular hedgehog, about the size of a bowling ball (he even visits bowling alleys to play practical jokes on the bowlers by curling up and pretending to be a bowling ball). He is naturally fast, as he runs along hedgerows at great speeds, a skill he inherited from his deceased father. Although he doesn't speak human language, he learns to read and write by watching human children play.

Against his mother's wishes, Sonny joins Hardy's track team. He wins many awards until the time comes to hibernate. While hibernating, he is accidentally dug up by Doctor Ovi Kintobor, who is using the Cogwinder Retractable Partulent Corer to search for emeralds (not yet referred to as Chaos Emeralds in this version), specifically the Gray Emerald. Kintobor uses a machine called the Lingua Scrambler'Um to teach Sonny to speak human language. Kintobor (who allows Sonny to call him "Dr. K") explains that he needs the emeralds to reverse years of pollution and return planet Earth to its natural state.

Kintobor operates a lab under a local toxic waste dump, where he rescues poisoned and struggling Animals. Sonny befriends many of these animals before being appointed as Kintobor's assistant, at which point Kintobor starts teaching him about physics. In order to pass the time, Sonny uses a treadmill that Kintobor has constructed, but when he breaks the sound barrier (761 miles per hour), he inexplicably crosses all known limits of acceleration (and laws of physics) and starts running at the speed of light (186 thousand miles per second). Kintobor is alarmed and slows the treadmill, only to find that Sonny has been turned blue by the "Advanced Non-Concussive Cobalt Effect". Kintobor renames Sonny as "Sonic" due to his display of fast speed.

Sonic uses his new speed to help Kintobor with his work, and in the process, discovers the Reverse Quantum BioFormulator (ROBF), a machine composed entirely out of gold rings. Kintobor has used this machine to transmorph all the evil in the world into six emeralds, cut by Kintobor himself, which he has stored in a lead-lined cabinet. Kintobor says that the emeralds could eliminate all evil and pollution (if stabilized by the Gray Emerald) or else double the amount of evil in the world if they were to be disturbed by radiation. Just then, a wave of radiation penetrates the Earth's surface and affects the emeralds. The RQBF turns on and casts a beam of light on Kintobor, the emeralds and a half-eaten egg that Kintobor was eating. There is no explosion, but Kintobor is somehow transformed into the obese and evil Doctor Ivo Robotnik. Sonic grabs as many gold rings as he can, then escapes.

>>4589
I really hope they Lara-Sue him, or that his wife stops bankrolling these prints
No.4591
Anonymous
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>>4590
Don't forgot about the final version that SoA made that Archie and Dic just totally ignore.
No.4592
Anonymous
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>>4591
Funny how Fleetway was the one to use it
No.4593
Anonymous
Replies:>>4595>>4604
Doesn't Penders know that Athiar is own by the legendary artist Tamers12345
No.4594
Anonymous
Replies:>>4595
>>4592
And that is why Fleetway is the best Sonic comic
No.4595
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4591
This one?

Orphaned at an early. age, Sonic grows up in the forest of the Green Hill Zone and falls in with a clan of rambunctious animal friends. His friends teach him all the tricks they know. From Johnny Lightfoot (the rabbit), Sonic learns how to outrun every other creature ni the forest; from Sally Acorn (the squirrel), he learns how to jump incredible distances; and Porker Lewis (the pig) teaches him to fear fire. Flicky the Bluebird influences Sonic with her happy, fearless, approach ot life; Joe Sushi (the walrus) shows him how to dive and swim underwater; and from Tux (the penguin), Sonic picks up the skill of finding air bubbles underwater.

Most important of all, Chirps (the chicken) inadvertently helps Sonic develop the technique for his Super Sonic Spin Attack. As Chirps is learning to fly, he tumbles head over heels out of the nest. Sonic teases Chirps by imitating him, but as he tumbles, Sonic builds up so much speed that he becomes a blur of quills and fur. Before Sonic knows it, he's drilled a hole through the side of a mountain!
Sonic meets Dr. Robotnik after accidentally tunneling into his secret underground lab. Robotnik (before he turns evil) befriends Sonic and lets Sonic visit from time to time to watch experiments. When Robotnik becomes evil, Sonic escapes from the lab, returns to the Green Hill Zone, and tries to warn his friends of the impending planetary disaster.

Physical Characteristics, Abilities
Sonic is good-looking, agile, and totally cool. His spiky quills turned blue during an experiment with Robotnik, in which he ran on a treadmill at 760 mph, breaking the speed of sound. Robotnik also gives Sonic the red sneakers that protect his feet from the intense heat of supersonic speed.
When Robotnik turns evil, Sonic refines the tumbling maneuver he learned from Chirps into his famous Super Sonic Spin Attack. He uses the Super Sonic Spin Attack to defeat legions of mechanized warriors, tunnel through walls, and crash Robotnik's spaceships.

Sonic can also swim underwater and jump high into the air. He's particularly good at running 360s and playing pinball in the many traps and mazes the evil Robotnik creates for him. Sonic's only physical failing is trouble coming to a stop once he's running at supersonic speeds. Also, every once in awhile he moves too fast to keep good balance, and has to struggle to keep from falling when he comes to the edge of a cliff.

>>4592
That and a picture book (which was also released in the UK)
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Story
>>4593
I hope Bartleby braps Penders into the Sun
>>4594
It's also got physically larger pages than Archie, so it's therefore superior!
No.4596
Anonymous
Replies:>>4601
Hope /co/ storytimes this soon. I wanna see their reactions.
No.4598
thirstposter ## VIP
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Video:171971221180.mp4(9.29MB / 00:01:01 / avc1 , 1024x720 , twitter_@KenPenders_20240516-013434_1790918735227969553.mp4)
In case anyone's wondering what Penders sounds like
No.4599
Anonymous
Replies:>>4601
>>4598
He has a funny voice
No.4600
thirstposter ## VIP
Video:171971229289.mp4(5.82MB / 00:02:19 / avc1 , 352x288 , 20170108 - Sonic Armageddon - Ken Penders Movie Pitch [DNteN_qlHp0].mp4)
And the movie pitch that killed any chance of Ben Hurst ever getting a SatAM movie
No.4601
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4596
I'd be interested to see what they think of it
>>4599
Yeah, I can't tell if he's just uncomfortable talking in front of a camera or if he's just like that
No.4602
Anonymous
Replies:>>4603
>>4600
Ken backstabbing Ben doesn't get enough hate.
No.4603
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4602
The moment I found out about that was the moment I stopped being a Penders fan
No.4604
Anonymous
>>4593
I honestly would love if Ken took Tamers to court just because I know that Tamers would still be in his persona and the Bartleby costume. Plus Ken losing immediately would also be a plus.
No.4605
Anonymous
Replies:>>4687
>>4600
Man do I wish that Ben was still alive so he could kick Penders ass.
No.4606
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4600
You you may have seen the animated pitch for Sonic Armageddon, but have you seen the powerpoint slides? And yes, this was pitched two months before Sonic 06 was released

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B95glW8UeSnia2xuRWljQzFyTWc/edit
No.4607
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4606
Let's take a closer look at that Tails!
>second life
>mesh crop top
>leather pants with flames
>extremely twinky Tails
Penders showed this to Sega executives!
No.4608
Anonymous
Replies:>>4611>>4616
>>4606
I’ve never actually seen this before where you get it? But,
>Putting an image of a war zone in this
>putting that crossover special where he shilled Dr. Droid
Real classy, Penders. The fan art section with that Tails and Rouge looks hilarious lmao. But I’d like to see Hight quality pic of that Shadow and what looks to be Dawn Best art
No.4609
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>>4607
Surely that Rouge is fine though?
>latex fursuit
>prison cell
lmao
No.4610
Anonymous
Replies:>>4612
Can Penders just die already
No.4611
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4608
>But I’d like to see Hight quality pic of that Shadow and what looks to be Dawn Best art
That's because it is!
No.4612
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>>4611
The other one's Dawn Best's Echidna OC
>>4610
Not until he completes TLSC!
No.4613
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4618>>4627
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>>4612
Gotta shill Particle!
No.4614
Anonymous
Replies:>>4620
>>4611
Thanks
>>4612
>that butt
Oh baby! Seriously tho, shame how she had to have her work fucked with by Ken. You could always tell because he always added those awful eyes
No.4615
Anonymous
I wish Sega would say fuck it, an officially acknowledge ALL the characters from Sonic's history(Archie, AoSTH, IDW, X, Underground, Fleetway, Boom, OVA) and the Canon? It's all there! Yes. Even Mega Man!(he's treated like Hawkeye as a member of the JLA. It's official but he's owned by Capcom).
No.4616
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4618
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>>4608
>Putting an image of a war zone in this
It's hard to top putting fetish art in a movie pitch, but that tops it
No.4617
Anonymous
>>4607
>Sega Executive: Huh. Strange but not as odd as our Sakura Wars Otaku.
No.4618
Anonymous
Replies:>>4619>>4620
>>4613
Awful special. Imagine trying to hijack the comic with a lame bad guy
>>4615
Sega would never nor would they honestly do it well, but we have fans like good ol JoeAdok who likes to acknowledge basically everything in cool art
>>4616
What the fuck was he thinking with this
No.4619
Anonymous
>>4618
>What the fuck was he thinking with this
He was drunk?
No.4620
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4624
>>4614
>Thanks
No worries!
>Oh baby! Seriously tho, shame how she had to have her work fucked with by Ken. You could always tell because he always added those awful eyes
Yeah, she was very professional about it, which is something Penders could do to emulate. Fortunately she's doing well for herself, and is making her own comic about sexy werewolves

https://www.varulvcomic.com/

>>4615
They should just hire JoeAdok and use his omnicanon
>>4618
>Awful special. Imagine trying to hijack the comic with a lame bad guy
It was so bad, and even worse: completely boring!
>What the fuck was he thinking with this
It's genuinely offensive
No.4622
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4624>>4625
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>>4607
On the subject of Twink Tails, did you know slashysmiley actually referenced this in some of their smut? Here's one of them, but there are others. his is probably the most obscure Sonic lore I know
No.4623
Anonymous
Replies:>>4625
>>4615
All Sega needs to do is make a movie that combines Underground and SatAM and use that as a way to end both shows and I can finally die happy
No.4624
Anonymous
Replies:>>4625
>>4620
Glad she's doing good.
>>4622
l-l-lewd!
No.4625
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4626
>>4622
In case anyone wants to see the rest, the series is called Sonic Street Sluts
>A bunch of images by Slashysmiley depicting several Sonic characters, mostly female, as street sluts. Coloured versions are done by Deskai, Blazeymix, Teamacorn, Jay-triqz, Virtigogun, Huebris, Metalslayer, Shadman, Fantastic Pickle, Risenhentaidemon, and even Slashy themselves.

https://e621.net/pools/1727
>>4623
Only if Tamers gets to direct!
>>4624
>l-l-lewd!
It's not even my favorite Twink Tails in the series!
No.4626
Anonymous
Replies:>>4628
>>4625
I am now genuinely curious to see how Tamers would write the SatAM characters
No.4627
Anonymous
Replies:>>4628
>>4613
>Image Comics
What, no WildC.A.T.s?
No.4628
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4629>>4686
>>4626
He's watched the show, and likes that Sonic has his classic design, so he'd probably be fine including the characters. Of course, there would be no Sonally, since Sonic's Bartleby's bitch. He's actually just started a MLP spinoff, which should give you a good idea of how he'd tackle adapting other shows
>>4627
Please understand, we needed more room for Particle!
No.4629
Anonymous
Replies:>>4633>>4634
>>4628
So.does that mean that we might see tho Knothole Freedom Fighters in SU one day?
No.4631
Anonymous
Replies:>>4633
Image:171971637792.png(248kB , 980x960 , 79b4e8cec711a0be09f657f356ab8bba0294d432.png)
This never fails to make me chuckle
No.4632
Anonymous
Replies:>>4711
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No.4633
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4637
>>4629
Almost certainly not. While he doesn't hate SatAM and AoStH like he does Modern Sonic, they're not Sonic Underground so he doesn't have an interest
>>4631
love that one!
No.4634
Anonymous
>>4629
Actually anon considering how Sonic had his backpack from SatAM in the first MLP episode plus the fact that Flora is now living in the forest we might be seeing them sooner than you think.
No.4635
Anonymous
Image:171971669643.png(524kB , 905x642 , da24rmt-6711ea8a-4de8-4a23-b1cf-02eb0e207b9b.png)
lol
No.4637
Anonymous
Replies:>>4645
>>4633
To be honest a SatAM side series would be a pleasant surprise.
No.4638
Anonymous
Replies:>>4639
>>4535
Good lord, Lien-Da looks horrible. This looks like something made to troll her with. In fact:
>Metamorphia uses the LSC version of Lien-Da to make fun of her during the Egg Army meetings.
>Lien-Da has ensure her death WILL be painful. After Julie-Su's. And Knuckles. And Finitevus'. And Eggman's. And The Brotherhood's. And that cunt, the Iron Queen. Ohh, is she gonna get jt!
>Look, Lien-Da has a lot people she needs to kill. Also, add on Wes Weasley. Sell her a defective sex toy,,will he.....
No.4639
Anonymous
Replies:>>4641>>4645
>>4638
KEK
Your greentexts always make me smile
No.4641
Anonymous
>>4639
Thanks. These are usually spur of the moment. I don't think I can do a whole epic but I can at least try write the the Incredible Egg Army as a dysfunctional group of ner'do wells held together by duct tape and the hope this is the day Sonic dies a fiery death.
>Note this will NOT be the day.
No.4643
Anonymous
Replies:>>4645
Lol, Archie Sonic died for this?
No.4645
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4650
>>4637
There's no way he'd include Tails since he's said several times he won't, and I doubt he'd include Antoine since he's a prototype Bartleby. Maybe he'd include Rotor if he runs out of Underground characters. He's still got several freedom fighter groups he hasn't featured yet
>>4639
Same
>>4643
;_;
No.4648
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4651>>4693
Image:171972030542.png(161kB , 1178x862 , MOBIAN LINE.png)
>Floating Island Productions MOBIAN LINE
Fuck it, this thread is now my therapy session for having to read Penders' tweets.
No.4650
Anonymous
Replies:>>4651>>4667
>>4645
I think you misunderstood my comment thristposter as I ment a SatAM side series like the MLP episodes and Zatch Bell 2020.
No.4651
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4655>>4656
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>>4648
>Sega won't sue me and here's why
lol, lmao even
>>4650
Ah. It'd be interesting, but there's only one Sonic according to Tamers so it'd have to be rolled into the larger Tamersverse. Technically MLP and Zatch Bell 2020 are parts of Sonic Underground, even if there isn't much of a crossover
No.4653
Anonymous
Replies:>>4656
>>4435
>>4425
>>4552
Holy shit, so it went exactly as I thought it would... Penders actually didn't even do a single acknowledgement of Sonic, Knuckles, and so on being property of Sega in the new content.

I might have skimmed too fast, but I also didn't see a single proper copyright, or trademark note.
No.4655
Anonymous
Replies:>>4658>>4699
>>4651
He really is just gonna get away with huh
No.4656
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4651
Nice sidestepping of the fact you declared all of Flynn's work non-canon
>>4653
I couldn't see one either, but then my brain is half-melted from trying to read this abomination
No.4657
Anonymous
Replies:>>4658
>>4656
I kinda hate these are the closest to new archie reprints we'll ever get.
No.4658
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4656
I was looking through Penders' tweets and recognized the writing style of these two immediately. It's the crossover you never asked for, my least favorite people in the entire community: Kuta and Penders!
>>4655
Only time will tell. I can see him overextending himself into bankruptcy printing old Archie issues no one will ever buy
>>4657
I'm genuinely considering touching up all the original issues and sticking them somewhere people can print them on demand
No.4660
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4658
He's (allegedly) sold around 600 so far, so he might have just broken even. Anyone in the market for 1,400 copies of TLSC? Asking for a friend
No.4662
Anonymous
Replies:>>4664
>>4658
I love how Tamers is basically a good version of Richard Kuta
No.4663
Anonymous
Replies:>>4668
>>4658
His Knuckles comic inslude the Chaotix, etc. He really is just poking the beehive.
>I'm genuinely considering touching up all the original issues and sticking them somewhere people can print them on demand
I'd love that!
No.4664
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4662
He balances out all the evil Kuta and cwc put out into the world
No.4665
Anonymous
Replies:>>4668
>>4656
>Nice sidestepping of the fact you declared all of Flynn's work non-canon
Penders' unhinged uncalled disdain for Ian will never not be funny...
No.4666
Anonymous
Replies:>>4668
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>>4502
No.4667
Anonymous
Replies:>>4668
>>4650
Fuck that shit Tamers should make his own version of the Lara-Su Chronicles instead
No.4668
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4670
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>>4663
>I'd love that!
Cool! It's really just the early issues I'd need to redo since I don't like the changes they made in the reprints. Some of my cleanups turned out a little blurry but I've been able to fix that using image sharpening
Speaking of, it looks like Penders doesn't even own copies of the comics he wants to reprint!

>>4665
He's so salty!
>>4666
The only reasonable response
>>4667
At least Rotor and Cobar would be properly gay!
No.4669
Anonymous
Replies:>>4670
Why are all Classic Sonic purists insane
No.4670
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4671>>4685
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>>4668
Last one for now. He still doesn't realize Paramount were making fun of him. Also, look at him trying not to seethe at Flynn's mention!
>>4669
If you're talking about Kuta it's probably his diet
No.4671
Anonymous
Replies:>>4672
>>4670
Wait what is Kuta's diet ?
No.4672
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4673
>>4671
He's an ABDL, I'll leave the rest to your imagination
No.4673
Anonymous
Replies:>>4676
>>4672
Oh hell no
No.4674
Unofficial Conductor ## VIP
Replies:>>4676
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>>4502
Be careful where you post this. There's a titty hidden in here.
No.4676
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4681
>>4673
;_;
>>4674
In my defense, I was distracted by those eyes! I hope you enjoy the story Konductor!
No.4678
Anonymous
Replies:>>4679
Does Ken hate gay people as I think one of his Knuckles story had a overly homophobia message ?
No.4679
Anonymous
Replies:>>4682
>>4678
He had Locke say that things would be better if they were gay
No.4681
Unofficial Conductor ## VIP
Replies:>>4684
>>4676
>In my defense, I was distracted by those eyes! I hope you enjoy the story Konductor!
I will skim through it some more later. Thanks for storytiming this plague.
No.4682
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4774
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>>4679
Yeah, it's pretty much exhibit A for why Locke is having an affair with Max. I really need to sharpen these images
No.4684
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4681
Good luck, you'll need it!
No.4685
Anonymous
Replies:>>4692
>>4670
Please tell me that Kurama Minamino guy was being sarcastic...
No.4686
Anonymous
Replies:>>4692
>>4628
Wait Tamers likes non underground sonic media
No.4687
Anonymous
Replies:>>4692
>>4605
Why is it always the good ones who die?
No.4692
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4695
>>4685
I was hoping that but apparently they're a lawyer and want to do a law review article on Penders' case
>>4686
It's more like he doesn't dislike it. He's seen a few episodes but would rather just watch SU again instead of finishing it
>>4687
At least he died knowing his fans loved his work and respected him
No.4693
Anonymous
Replies:>>4696>>4698
>>4648
So hes just going to hijack the term for himself?
No.4695
Anonymous
Replies:>>4698
>>4692
>apparently they're a lawyer and want to do a law review article on Penders' case
Did he even saw the court documents that surfaced a few months (years?) ago?
How can he, or even Penders, still claim he "destroyed" Archie?
No.4696
Anonymous
Replies:>>4698
>>4693
Well... he's been doing that for quite some time, so... what's another more term in the pile?
No.4698
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4700>>4708
lmao someone in the 4/co/ thread's complaining that our storytime is too gay. And here I thought I was holding back!
>>4693
I think he's trying to be clever and reference a Mobius Strip. Unfortunately for him, Mobian has been in use for a project that ports Debian Linux to smartphones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobian
>>4695
The capacity for self-delusion is pretty much limitless. I'd definitely watch a legal documentary on the case
>>4696
He already owns the concept of parents and hats!
No.4699
Anonymous
Replies:>>4706
>>4655
Isnt that just coming out of his mouth ? He always claimed he was invincible in these matters but we know that was only because Sega just didnt give enough of a shit to intervene.
No.4700
Anonymous
>>4698
Thanks for sharing the tweets, because I refuse to even open the app.
Penders has becomed absolutely unhinged in the last few hours, it's fascinating...

I mean, before you could tell he was holding back, but now that Beginnings is out and Sega "didn't do anything", he sees himself as the king of the world, and even his rudeness level went up to eleven.
No.4701
Anonymous
Replies:>>4704>>4706
>>4700
Are any of the old staff even going to agree with this ridiculous project of his ?
No.4704
Anonymous
>>4701
According to him, a few... but one has to wonder how many truly agreed from the heart, and how many just replied: "whatever, just put my name"
No.4705
Anonymous
Replies:>>4706>>4707
>>4498
>all I see is probable evidence of something amiss having recently transpired.
Jesus, this dialogue is like something out of the Star Wars Prequels.

>I hate Sandopolis Zone...
No.4706
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4699
Yeah, he's just blowing hot air
>>4700
No worries, I've only got Twitter so I can archive art accounts. Yeah, he's let it all go to his head and has went off the deep end. I'm still holding out for a smackdown!
>>4701
!Scott! !Shaw! is apparently involved, but it's clear Butler isn't. He's not contacted Bollers or Flynn yet
>>4705
It's coarse and rough and irritating, just like Penders!
No.4707
Anonymous
Replies:>>4725>>4774
>>4705
Hey the Prequels are good
No.4708
Anonymous
Replies:>>4725
>>4698
I remember him on the ride getting pissy at twink claiming
>>4700
He’s just on that power high and surfing it out
No.4709
Anonymous
Replies:>>4713>>4725
>>4512
I could say a bunch of nasty shit about Penders' art, stories, and character and it'd all be true, but none of it could be nearly as cutting as what he's done to himself. He's burned all his bridges, destroyed his legacy, and made himself an absolute laughingstock. His reputation's is so bad that there's not even any real point in insulting him, since some other internet geek has probably made the same insult a thousand times over already. He's the Steven Seagal of the Sonic franchise.

>spoiler
That's really sweet and interesting, thanks for sharing. It's really fascinating the way that characters from these stories and comics can inspire people in ways people never expected. I'm a DBZ fan, and I think the reason that Vegeta caught on was because antisocial nerds like me could relate to a character who was angry and isolated from the people around him. Then Toriyama spared him at fan request, and the rest is history. We now have lots of Shonen rivals who fit that sort of archetype, like Shadow.

The fans' reaction to these stories can manifest in a million things you never expected, and which can then shape the stories themselves. It's art helping people relate and communicate, which is I guess the purpose of art.
No.4710
Anonymous
Replies:>>4725
>>4521
>that blue-lipped echidna chick with robo-tits
It's like every character design is trying to be shittier than the last one.
No.4711
Anonymous
No.4713
Unofficial Conductor ## VIP
Replies:>>4717>>4725
>>4709
>I could say a bunch of nasty shit about Penders' art, stories, and character and it'd all be true, but none of it could be nearly as cutting as what he's done to himself. He's burned all his bridges, destroyed his legacy, and made himself an absolute laughingstock. His reputation's is so bad that there's not even any real point in insulting him, since some other internet geek has probably made the same insult a thousand times over already. He's the Steven Seagal of the Sonic franchise.
To think that he was the main writer for Sonic and could've continued to ride that because he had seniority over almost every other writer. And he quits over Shadow, ruins his chances of coming back, and spends his time suing or being sued. Years later and this comic is all he has to show for it and it's mostly stolen from Archie and Butler. Meanwhile Ian's all over Sonic. It's a good thing Penders screwed himself over and amounted to nothing because I shudder to think of him in Ian's position. Imagine Sonic Frontiers with his writing.
No.4717
Anonymous
Replies:>>4720>>4725
>>4713
The biggest irony for me is that Penders, rather supporting Chronicles and embrace the fact his stories were the base for the whole setting, basically defeating Ian, his archenemy, by getting into a game first... decided to be a bitter bitch and sue, despite knowing fairly well that at the time Chronicles was being produced he had no rights to his characters (stories) and wasn't even owed a mention in the credits.

Oh, right... I forgot, Bioware wanted to talk to him at a con, right... clearly because they wanted to beg him to work with them, or at least give them his blessing regarding using his stories. Yes, that's clearly the only possible explanation. Too bad he was not there when it happened and his wife and kid had to relay the message.
No.4720
Unofficial Conductor ## VIP
Replies:>>4725
>>4717
It all comes back to that ego of his. It has to be his way or he'll do what he can to spite you. Even if that screws him over as well. If Penders stayed at Archie and was a good boy, would Bioware have had him come over and be a consultant for Chronicles 2?

I still think Ian could've come on to be the main writer for Archie and Penders gets to do side stuff and maybe get his hands on Knuckles again. Because Penders never liked being the main writer and having more rules set upon him.
No.4725
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4707
Some parts dragged on a bit (especially the politics parts) but they were genuinely fun. The fight scenes alone blew the original trilogy out of the water
>>4708
Probably because he was too slow to claim any himself!
>>4709
>none of it could be nearly as cutting as what he's done to himself
100% this
>He's the Steven Seagal of the Sonic franchise
lmao, he really is! Imagine slowly transforming into a parody of yourself
>That's really sweet and interesting, thanks for sharing
At first I thought I was getting too personal, but after 20 years of waiting for this I'd rather speak completely unfiltered. I'm not a huge fan of the series, but Vegeta's easily my favorite. He never seems to be able to surpass his rival, but he never gives up on getting stronger, and his grumpy and catty comments are pure gold! That said, I think he ended up surpassing Goku where it mattered, in being more involved in with his wife and child
>spoiler
Same
>It's art helping people relate and communicate, which is I guess the purpose of art.
Well said!
>>4710
I think that's Lien-Da, and the one in the bottom-right's Selma, who was originally a chameleon (and Espio's daughter)
>>4713
Honestly, I love that Shadow was so cool Penders had to quit the comic.
>Years later and this comic is all he has to show for it
20 years of waiting and it turns out only 30 of the 160 pages are new comic pages. It's absolutely disgraceful. Just think, at your current pace, your Knuckles series alone will have hit 50 issues in that time
>Meanwhile Ian's all over Sonic.
I think that's what really gets to him. Ian's been involved with two Sonic TV shows and a game, and Hesse was involved with the character designs for the movies. Fun fact: Sonic Armageddon was originally going to be a Knuckles movie heavily featuring the Dark Legion and space. I think that's why he hasn't watched the Knuckles series, since it's essentially his dream made by someone else. Also, it totally makes fun of him and his dramatic Locke death using puppets
>Imagine Sonic Frontiers with his writing.
TRUU FARR KONDUCTOR!
>>4717
The thing is if he was less of a prick, I could see Bioware giving him a small consulting role for the game, or at least a special thanks. They were clearly fans of the Knuckles comics. You just know if it was anyone else on the comics they'd be ecstatic to see versions of their characters adapted into the videogames
>>4720
Unfortunately there was never going to be a Chronicles 2 since EA bought Bioware midway through development and you all know what they're like
>I still think Ian could've come on to be the main writer for Archie and Penders gets to do side stuff and maybe get his hands on Knuckles again.
Penders barely tolerated Bollers, and only because Bollers had a career in comics outside of Sonic. There's no way he'd be happy working with a young upstart like Flynn, especially considering Flynn had written several letters (fairly and politely) critiquing Penders' stories
No.4736
Anonymous
Replies:>>4774>>4816
>>4725
Did you see the latest response of Kojiro Brushard to Penders on X?
I may agree or disagree with the guy more often than not, but he clearly said all the fandom is thinking right now about the "Mobian Line" stunt.
No.4745
Unofficial Conductor ## VIP
Replies:>>4774>>4816
>>4725
>Penders barely tolerated Bollers, and only because Bollers had a career in comics outside of Sonic. There's no way he'd be happy working with a young upstart like Flynn, especially considering Flynn had written several letters (fairly and politely) critiquing Penders' stories
There's that Penders ego screwing him over again. All he had to do was be a team player or simply not get in the way of another writer when he normally didn't care about the main comics.
No.4774
Anonymous
Replies:>>4816
>>4682
>all echidnas have a mystical Soultouch that chooses their destined true love
>Locke still managed to fuck it up
You're right, he's got to be gay.

>>4707
>>4725
When it comes to Star Wars, I'm pretty much an OT purist. My family likes to joke that you should watch Star Wars in the order they're meant to be watched -- 4, 5, and 6.

The Prequels had some great action scenes, particularly with Darth Maul and Jango Fett, but I felt like the characters in the OT were more colorful and the plot was more cohesive.

>[Vegeta] never seems to be able to surpass his rival, but he never gives up on getting stronger
It's the funniest thing, but when Vegeta was introduced, he was the natural talent that Goku surpassed with hard work. But in later arcs, it kinda became the opposite. I guess that's what happens when you don't have protagonist power.

>>4736
If Penders is telling the truth, it's pretty sickening that a turd like him would have the right to publish all those comics, but that's a big "if." OTOH, if I were an Archie creator I might hold my tongue and support Penders just to get the comics reprinted so new fans can read them, I dunno.

Whatever the truth is, it's all the more reason to pirate Archie Sonic.

>>4745
Like I said, the Steven Seagal of Sonic. Seagal can't bear to let any of the bad guys in his movies even get a hit in, because it could make him look less-than-perfect. Penders is the same way with writers; it's his way or the highway.
No.4801
Anonymous
Replies:>>4804>>4816
someone finally did a video on this
I Bought Penders' New Book...youtube thumb
No.4804
Anonymous
>>4801
>2:34 you can see the proper credits page
Ok, so he did acknowledge Sonic and Knuckles as Sega properties.
But no mention of Archie Sonic, nor Archie itself.
No.4815
thirstposter ## VIP
Decided to write up a summary of TLSC since it's incomprehensible garbage:

M25YL ends with Sonic, Knuckles, Rotor, Cobar, and (unknown to them) Julie-Su traveling to the Badlands in order to use the Tachyon Chamber to send Sonic back in time. This ends badly, with Sonic potentially being erased from existence. Flynn handles this differently in his version of M25YL, where Sonic's disappearance 25 years ago allows Shadow to become the tyrant King of Mobius. Sonic reappears in 25YL with his old memories and ends up living on the streets since everyone thinks he's mad. Knuckles, Rotor, Cobar, Julie-Su, Tails, and Lien-Da retain their memories, and work together to defeat Shadow. The good guys win, and Sonic immediately re-marries (and re-impregnates!) Sally. All round a happy ending.

In the new ending, Sonic disappears for good, which causes spacetime to rupture, allowing OVERRIDE (Dr. Droid) to start his revenge on Knuckles (somehow). Sonic's erasure has caused a rippling effect through time that only Julie-Sue is aware of, leading into THE STORM, an alternate take on Sonic the Hedgehog #144. Panel 3 of page 5 (>>4466) is where the rippling effect hits, transitioning from Sonic anthros to Penders aliens. Because Sonic doesn't exist, Geoffrey and Remington are now involved, and while the shuttle still leaves for the Badlands, this time it's only with Knuckles, Rotor (now the rhino Artemis), Cobar, and Julie-Su. There's a bunch of sci-fi babble, but essentially the are aware of the shift but not what's changed. They also lose contact with the shuttle at the end of the story.

SHATTERED TOMORROWS opens 37 chronons (let's say months) after the events of THE STORM, with Julie-Su reflecting on what happened and mourning the death of her father. Meanwhile, 6 chronons (months) later, Mykhal Taelor (Hollywood actor Antony Mackie) lands on the remains of Mobius, finding Lara-Su's home and watching a video of her narrating what happened. Yes, we have two simultaneously framing devices for the next part, which is why it's so difficult to follow. Essentially, the next part of the story is a video from 6 months ago being watched by Antony Mackie, where Julie-Su narrates her experience from 3 years prior about what happened on the shuttle. Got all that? Good!

Lara-Su has a flashback of her childhood (three framing devices!), but it's a mix of the old timeline (where everyone's Sonic anthros) and the current one (where everyone's Penders aliens). She snaps back to reality aboard the shuttle, where they're about to touch down in the Badlands. Knuckles, Rotor/Artemis and Cobar go out to fix the anomaly in the Tachyon Chamber, but something goes wrong as this time they don't have Sonic with them. Something bad happens, and Knuckles (apparently) dies off-screen. Rotor and Cobar are injured, but are able to make it back to the shuttle thanks to Knuckles' heroics. Julie-Su pilots the shuttle out of the Badlands, but sees a giant vision of her father and the story ends there. We still don't know what happened in the Tachyon Chamber this time.

Now we do get a 2 page preview. Here's what I could work out from it:
Knuckles is still missing 3 years later,
Julie-Su is now Guardian,
Mobius has blown up, with only Angel Island remaining within a force field,
Julie-Su and Rutan (Lien-Da's son) have a race to see who will be Guardian,
Lien-Da forces Julie-Su to make a choice between saving two people,
OVERRIDE is likely the one controlling that robot arm on the bottom right (>>4521)

Be sure to check this thread in 12 years when I storytime the next volume
No.4816
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4849
>>4736
Yeah, Penders has gone off the deep end with his "Mobian Line" nonsense and people are right to call him out on it. Just because you settled with Archie doesn't mean you get to publish officially licensed Sonic comics. He did at least concede he can't make any new Sonic comics
>>4745
He really did snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
>>4774
>You're right, he's got to be gay.
What I love about it is it takes the two least likable Sonic characters (Max and Locke), and makes a ship that's actually kinda cute. It also explains so much about why Max and Locke are such disasters
>Star Wars
The OT is overall better (mostly due to its writing and characters), but the prequels were still fun for what they were. That arena battle with all of the Jedi was just so cool! I also liked the robot and alien designs
>I guess that's what happens when you don't have protagonist power.
Goku's a lot like Sonic in that way, no matter how strong or cool anyone else is, Sonic's the face of the franchise and therefore wins
>If Penders is telling the truth
Others have said it and I agree, he was testing the waters with TLSC to see what Sega would do, and since they haven't sued (yet), he's going to try and make a quick buck off of reprinting Archie Sonic
>Whatever the truth is, it's all the more reason to pirate Archie Sonic.
What really pisses me off is I almost had a complete set of all Archie Sonic in the collected volumes, but the lawsuit put a stop to that
>Seagal can't bear to let any of the bad guys in his movies even get a hit in
That's what I love about his more recent films! He's always playing this badass that knows every martial art, but is really just some doughy old guy in a leather trenchcoat and plot armor
>>4801
It's a surprisingly fair review, and it helped confirm some of the plot points for my writeup
No.4817
Anonymous
Replies:>>4819
>>4815
thirstposter... I think you referred to Lara-Su as "Julie-Su" during your whole summary, kek.

Not that I blame you.
No.4818
Anonymous
Replies:>>4820
>>4815
>Knuckles is still missing 3 years later
One just knows he is keeping the character "missing", so he can bring back "K'Nox" once he feels brave enough to keep stealing from Sega.
No.4819
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4817
lmao, I did! This comic has melted my brain ;_;
No.4820
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4823
>>4818
Yeah, at first I was thinking that he was pushing Knuckles aside to focus on Lara-Su, but I think you're right. Given he's got Dr. Droid back he's definitely keeping Knuckles around in some capacity, even if he's just a force ghost
No.4823
Anonymous
Replies:>>4826>>4828
>>4820
Penders truly believes he is entitled to use Knuckles. Of course, I don't mean that in a "I'm this character's rightful owner" kind of way, not even Penders has that many marbles rolling around upstairs (I think... I hope...), but because he believes he is the one who made the character popular in the West, Sega "owes him as much" (this last part is my conjecture based on previous statements of his).

In the end, he devoted so much of his work to Knuckles, or rather "around him", he is unable to let the character go, and TLSC is the evidence.
No.4826
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4827
>>4823
Yeah, he's said several times that his stories are the reason Knuckles is even popular, as if the games (particularly SA1 and 2) and Sonic X had nothing to do with it. Ultimately, Sega owes him nothing. They never did business with him, and the fact that he thinks they owe him anything just because he did some work for a company they granted a license to make comics of their IP is just ridiculous.

Ultimately, he's just salty that a fan was given his old job, completely upstaged him, and was able to parlay that into working on the cartoons and games. If he really wanted to show Archie up, he could've made an original comic in the same vein as Knuckles and self-published it. Butler was able to do this, as was Dawn Best and Ian Flynn (twice each!). It's as you've said, he just can't let the character go
No.4827
Anonymous
Replies:>>4838
>>4826
I may be able to concede that Knuckles' widespread in the late 90s might have had to do with the comic, partly... BUT that would only apply to USA and Canada, at most.

Europe had their own comics and the rest of the world had no idea what Archie Sonic even was other than "the comic featuring the SatAM cast". It wasn't until the 2000s that the scans surfaced and people all over the world got to read them, but that was way after everyone knew the real intended personalities of the characters through SA and SA2... even Heroes and spin-off games.
No.4828
Anonymous
Replies:>>4832>>4838
>>4815
Thanks for making that mess somewhat understandable. I like how Ken still has Sonic be the cause for major fuck up. The new stuff is like built off 25YL but it basically acts as new issues for readers to get into. Although it's still just a mess because it's built off another mess. He jerked off Knuckles in his stories but then just has him fucking die. So lmao on that.

>>4823
I think Ken likes Knuckles as more of a spring board. He just used him to inject his stuff he couldn't have done anywhere else.
No.4832
Anonymous
Replies:>>4833>>4838
>>4828
>He just used him to inject his stuff he couldn't have done anywhere else.
Oh, he pretty much admitted to that long time ago. He once talked about how he would propose stories for Sonic, but they would be rejected by Archie and/or Sega. He would then repurpose them for Knuckles, who was a lot less policed, and they will given the OK.

After three or four more tries, he decided to give up on Sonic and focus solely on Knuckles to use him as the catalyst for the original story he was never able to tell anywhere else. Thus, as some have already pointed out, why he preferred working on the spin-off rather than the main series.
No.4833
Anonymous
Replies:>>4835
>>4832
I see. If only they had a mandatory wrangler for him at all times. So he wouldn't just go wild the way he did like in his disastrous main run. Too bad the editor was also a weirdo.
No.4835
Anonymous
Replies:>>4837>>4841
>>4833
I grew up only with the games and some reruns of AoSTH, shit I didn't see Underground until after I already played SA2 in 2001 (SatAM was never aired in my country).
Knuckles has always been my favourite character, since Sonic and Knuckles (which I played before Sonic 3, kek), and was very excited when I learned he had his own comic... when I finally read them through the scans in good ol' Tails-Kick-Ass... oh boy... "disappointed" doesn't even begin to describe my feelings.

I'm not going to lie, I hate the Penders Knuckles lore, and I mean loathe entirely.
Its the main reason I dislike most of Preboot Archie, not even Ian's magic pen managed to make that lore better for me.
No.4837
Anonymous
Replies:>>4841
>>4835
I can't entirely blame you if it's not your cup of tea. For penders stuff, I'm in the same camp of like Thirstposter of like picking and choosing. I don't love everything he wrote for the book, but some ideas and characters of his are neat to me. Idea of Knuckles guardianship extending to other people, not just the guarding the ME, and having his own separate adventures from Sonic is a cool idea and take. It's just unfortune that Penders had to be the one to do it.
No.4838
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4827
Yeah, Archie did have massive pull in the 90s since they were the only comics in grocery stores. I think most peoples' exposure to Archie Sonic was Sonic Mega Collection, back in late 2002. It's what got me into the comics at least
>>4828
No worries! I figured it's only fair I try to understand the plot after subjecting everyone to it. He really is the Robotnik of the franchise, not because he's an unlikable tyrant, but because he simply hates that hedgehog.
>>4832
That's what really annoys me about Penders. He ultimately wasn't all that interested in Knuckles, he was just a convenient character to hang his Star Trek plots on
No.4841
thirstposter ## VIP
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Looks like he's talking about OVERRIDE (Dr. Droid) here. I'm guessing Knuckles is the one displaced, and will be force ghost communicating with Lara-Su
>>4835
Same. I grew up with the games and cartoons, learned about the comics from Sonic Mega Collection, and read the scans from Tails-Kick-Ass. I actually enjoyed the comics though, especially the Knuckles ones. I can see why others wouldn't, they're objectively terrible in some places.

A lot of what Ian did when he first started was trimming down the canon, simplifying things into a much more coherent story. I may criticize him a lot, but he did a fantastic job with this
>>4837
>It's just unfortune that Penders had to be the one to do it.
An alternate timeline where Penders left after Knuckles #4 so Remington is still introduced, Bollers and Gallagher ended up the main writers, and Flynn coming in to work on the Knuckles series would've been so much better
No.4849
Anonymous
>>4816
>it takes the two least likable Sonic characters (Max and Locke), and makes a ship that's actually kinda cute. It also explains so much about why Max and Locke are such disasters
It's also just plain funny. Penders spent so much time wanking both characters and making them out to be completely in the right even when they were doing blatantly horrible things, so reimagining them as messed-up closet-cases is hilarious.

"Yes Lara, I had to microwave our son. It was very important to his destiny. I also blew King Max in a gas station bathroom. Because destiny. Your puny female brain couldn't understand, it's best you let us noble Guardians do the thinking."

>the prequels were still fun for what they were. That arena battle with all of the Jedi was just so cool! I also liked the robot and alien designs
Agreed, the prequels did have some good visuals and spectacle. One of my biggest complaints with the sequels was that all the visuals in them were recycled from the OT -- Crait is like Hoth with salt instead of snow, the forest planet Takodana is Endor recycled, there's another desert planet, another Death Star, etc.

>That's what I love about his more recent films! He's always playing this badass that knows every martial art, but is really just some doughy old guy in a leather trenchcoat and plot armor
It's actually a shame, because I genuinely enjoyed his first few films. Under Siege in particular is a contender for my favorite action movie of all time.
No.4850
Anonymous
>>4849
> Yes Lara, I had to microwave our son. It was very important to his destiny. I also blew King Max in a gas station bathroom. Because destiny. Your puny female brain couldn't understand, it's best you let us noble Guardians do the thinking."
Now we know where Tamers12345 gets his writing style from.
No.4853
Anonymous
Replies:>>4856>>4886
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>>4849
Bad thing about them being assholes is that their kids barely gave any pushback and just agree with it sometimes. Like that time Penders made Sally agree to Max's robian genocide and destroying her friendship with Knuckles. Speaking of Knuckles, he'd just follow his dad and brotherhood no questions asked so much of the time. It just made him look like a idiot.
No.4856
Anonymous
Replies:>>4857>>4886
>>4853
>Penders made Sally agree to Max's robian genocide
That was so fucking creepy. Max was literally insane and turning into a crystal when he made that order, yet Penders still felt the need to justify it just because it came out of the father-figure character's mouth. It makes me wonder how he treats his own kids.

>Speaking of Knuckles, he'd just follow his dad and brotherhood no questions asked so much of the time.
Seriously, the only time he ever questioned them was when he told Athair to piss off that one time. At which point his mom immediately chews him out even though the other Guardians all hate Athair too (Which I guess is a point in Athair's favor). Then Athair literally abducts him to lead the echidnas to Albion because apparently that's Knuckles' job too.

Thrash and Finitevus were right.
No.4857
Anonymous
Replies:>>4858
>>4856
Pender's dad probably tried putting him in a microwave at some point

Even Geoffrey thought Max was a bit crazy at some point. Weirdly enough, sometimes Ken would have characters point out the echidnas/brotherhood being flawed but Ken never truly goes anywhere with it.
No.4858
Anonymous
Replies:>>4860
>>4857
>Weirdly enough, sometimes Ken would have characters point out the echidnas/brotherhood being flawed but Ken never truly goes anywhere with it.
Yeah, the infamous "I'd be LOST without my darling Sabre!" line is supposed to be shocking, a criticism of how submissive Sabre's wife is. Locke himself even wonders if the Guardians were "too parochial" at one point, but nothing comes of the criticisms of those characters, or of any of Knux's mother's complaints about her husband. We're supposed to accept Max, Locke, and the Guardians as somewhat morally ambiguous but ultimately good people, just because.
No.4860
Anonymous
Replies:>>4861
>>4858
>Yeah, the infamous "I'd be LOST without my darling Sabre!" line is supposed to be shocking, a criticism of how submissive Sabre's wife is. Locke himself even wonders if the Guardians were "too parochial" at one point
I actually don't remember this, when was it and issue?

> We're supposed to accept Max, Locke, and the Guardians as somewhat morally ambiguous but ultimately good people, just because.
Right. Penders just kinda refused to make characters really have any real opposition towards these supposed "morally ambiguous but ultimately good people"
No.4861
Anonymous
Replies:>>4862
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>>4860
The "darling Sabre" line is Knuckles the Echidna #16, which also has one of the fire-ants calling the Guardians out on their isolationism, as well as Spectre calling Locke out for experimenting on Knuckles, neither of which amounts to anything. The "too parochial" line is from Knuckles issue 19.

>Penders just kinda refused to make characters really have any real opposition towards these supposed "morally ambiguous but ultimately good people"
It was a line or two, at best. When Ian actually wrote Locke as doing something to atone for his "morally ambiguous" behavior, Penders shat himself in rage.
No.4862
Anonymous
Replies:>>4886
>>4861
Thank you.
>>4861
>When Ian actually wrote Locke as doing something to atone for his "morally ambiguous" behavior, Penders shat himself in rage.
I can understand him a bit as that was for his irl dad, but frankly, Ian’s is just the better way for Locke to pay for his sins. Ken hasn’t forgiven him for that.
No.4886
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4849
There's a whole tumblr blog that started shipping them as a joke and then got into it.
https://jadeyarts.tumblr.com/tagged/sonic%20the%20hedgehog
>Yes Lara, I had to microwave our son. It was very important to his destiny. I also blew King Max in a gas station bathroom. Because destiny. Your puny female brain couldn't understand, it's best you let us noble Guardians do the thinking.
lmao
>Agreed, the prequels did have some good visuals and spectacle.
Yeah, I didn't enjoy the sequels at all, and gave up after the first one was shot for shot remake of IV
>Under Siege in particular is a contender for my favorite action movie of all time.
It's a good film!
>>4853
That's what's great about the fan stuff and Flynn's time on Archie, they actually do get properly called out and face consequences for their awful behavior
>>4856
>Max was literally insane and turning into a crystal when he made that order, yet Penders still felt the need to justify it just because it came out of the father-figure character's mouth.
Any other writer would have had Sally go along with it in the room, become the acting monarch and just tell the Robians not to go near the castle until Max recovers
>spoiler
They weren't wrong, even if their actions were. You could argue the entire Archie run is a scathing critique on putting absolute faith in your leaders, and the vulnerabilities that occur when systems of governance stagnate. Max couldn't see Robotnik's (nor Naugus', nor Kodos') betrayal because he was too reliant on the Source of All, never proactively investing threats from new paradigms (magic with Naugus, technology with Robotnik). Contrast that with the Freedom Fighters, who were proactive and willing to use technology and superpowers to fight Robotnik, when tradition would have had them raise an army and fight him with swords and shields.

Locke's exactly the same, siding with tradition, stagnation and isolation, with the Brotherhood leaving their people vulnerable to Robotnik, Enerjak, and any other threat they couldn't neutralize on their own. They never even intervened when Enerjak came to Echidopolis, instead leaving Remington and his police force to fight a demigod with police-issue riot gear. They don't even have a military because the Brotherhood is supposed to handle anything above street crime-level threats.

Knuckles and his friends only succeed because they're willing to forgo tradition and think outside the box. Other Guardians would never rely on friends, let alone ones that are non-Echidna or from the Dark Legion. Knuckles and the Chaotix were also willing to leave their island to help the surface, in turn building alliances that they could call on for help.

>>4862
He totally hasn't, but it wouldn't matter anyway since he already disliked him since Flynn (as a regular fan) would write in to the comics and politely point out issues with the stories. It also didn't help that they hired Flynn immediately after Penders left. Of course, they had to hire someone since they weren't going to shutter the book just because the great Ken Penders quit.
Ultimately, Flynn did a great job at giving Locke a heartfelt and meaningful sendoff, and if Penders was uncomfortable with that, then he shouldn't have written Locke as a stand-in for his own father
No.4889
Anonymous
>>4886
>You could argue the entire Archie run is a scathing critique on putting absolute faith in your leaders, and the vulnerabilities that occur when systems of governance stagnate.
And yet Penders intended for the audience to have complete faith in Max and Locke. Amazing.

>Max couldn't see Robotnik's (nor Naugus', nor Kodos') betrayal because he was too reliant on the Source of All
>Contrast that with the Freedom Fighters, who were proactive
You'd think that becoming one with the incredible Source of All would have allowed Max the foresight not to get tricked by three evil supervillains in a row, but apparently not. He also actively hamstrung the Freedom Fighters in favor of Geoffrey, who it turned out was Naugus' apprentice, so I guess that makes four supervillains who fooled him.

Elias having as little to do with the Source as possible is probably why he turned out so well.

>Locke's exactly the same, siding with tradition, stagnation and isolation, with the Brotherhood leaving their people vulnerable to Robotnik, Enerjak
Exactly. It even comes back to bite them when Eggman finally conquers the island and destroys Albion. The Brotherhood are basically responsible for the destruction of their own people.

It's really kind of hilarious that the two characters Penders shills so hard wind up being the ones responsible for pretty much all the evil in the comic.
No.4892
Unofficial Conductor ## VIP
>>4889
>Elias having as little to do with the Source as possible is probably why he turned out so well.
Poor Elias. Created by Penders to replace Sally, ignored and pushed aside by Bollers, barely used later on by Penders, and all over the place under Ian until finally putting him in the SFF right before the reboot.
No.4894
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4889
>And yet Penders intended for the audience to have complete faith in Max and Locke. Amazing.
And he wonders why people were happier with Flynn's interpretation of them! Honestly, most fans were waiting for Max and Locke to see the errors of their ways and had no idea Penders wanted them to be completely in the right
>Source of All
In theory it was corrupted by Naugus, but I'm of the opinion that it was doing the right thing on a geological timescale, not a personal one. Letting Robotnik take over may have been awful for everyone, but the Freedom Fighters would never have gained the skills they had without him, and all life would've been wiped out by the Xorda or something even worse.
>It even comes back to bite them when Eggman finally conquers the island and destroys Albion.
That arc was so good! Easily Boller's best work, and my favorite arc overall. Hilariously, it ran as the main story throughout part of M25YL
>It's really kind of hilarious that the two characters Penders shills so hard wind up being the ones responsible for pretty much all the evil in the comic.
And that's why they're the best couple, no one else can stand them!
No.4898
Anonymous
>>4889
The Brotherhood's Inaction/Locke Fuckery/Echinda Bullshit was the cause of:
>Eggman fucking them over. Twice.
>The Dingoes joining Eggman
>The Creation of Dr. Finitevus which led to Albion getting wiped out.
>The (Temporary)Death of Knuckles
>Thrash dumping their asses into the Twilight Cage

It's pretty fucking telling that the only Echindas on Mobius by the end were Knuckles and Mari-An. And that's only because she decided to marry Rob'O. Talking about dodging a bullet.
No.4913
thirstposter ## VIP
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Guess who's been procrastinating? I decided to make a helpful infographic about TLSC's plot and how it differs from the Archie canon. Feel free to post it in the 4/co/ thread once it's made
No.4918
Anonymous
Replies:>>4921
>>4913
Not all heroes wear capes. Based!
No.4921
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4918
Thanks! I was annoyed at how many times I wrote Julie-Su instead of Lara-Su so this is my way of making up for it
No.4926
Anonymous
Replies:>>4939
>>4913
So it's less that we didn't understand the plot and more that there wasn't much going on at all during this issue.
No.4939
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4940
>>4926
Yeah, he pads things out to 30 pages with sci-fi babble and unnecessary framing devices (Antony Mackie is watching a 6-month old recording of Lara-Su recalling what happened on the shuttle 3 years prior, and the first thing she mentions is her having another flashback), but almost nothing happens.
More happens in his 9 pages of M25YL in StH #144, and that's a meandering train-wreck itself. Flynn crams way more plot into the 22 pages of his version of M25YL, and actually gives us a satisfying conclusion.
No.4940
Anonymous
Replies:>>4953
>>4939
I'm starting to think that Archie's editors deserve a lot more credit. Penders' comic is even more of a snorefest than usual, and I have a lot of complaints about the pacing on Ian's later work too -- the Archie Reboot being one long arc, 19 issues of Zombots, 11 issues on Surge and Kit's intro arc, and a whole issue of Surge getting a guided tour of the Resistance HQ.

I remember the 90s Flash run with Wally West only ever had six-issue arcs at most, even if the arc involved insane shit like the entire Flash family time-traveling to stop multiple supervillains across multiple time periods. Sonic could learn a lesson or two from those comics, especially since they both involve speedsters.

Though at least Sonic never gets into Speed Force bullshit.
No.4943
Anonymous
Replies:>>4953
Nooo Sonic Retro nooooooooooo
https://info.sonicretro.org/The_Lara-Su_Chronicles:_Beginnings
No.4944
Anonymous
Replies:>>4953
Show me your Lara Su Chronicles lanyard
No.4947
Anonymous
Well, ThanksKenPenders released its review of TLSC: Beginnings.
I think this is the most detailed review I have seen, and boy... Bobby didn't hold back one bit, it utterly destroyed them (Penders and the book).

https://www.tumblr.com/thankskenpenders/754930795872960512/the-lara-su-chronicles-beginnings

That being said... the only moment that caught my attention was during the introduction when the legal situation was explained:
>"Thanks to the outcome of Archie Comics’ woefully mismanaged lawsuits against Ken (yes, they sued him after he started filing for copyrights, not the other way around), he now has full legal ownership of every story he wrote for Archie Sonic and every character he created for the series. This was explicitly granted to him in the terms of the settlement between him, Archie, and Sega. He can even reprint his old Sonic material as-is to his heart’s content. The main catch..."

It caught my attention because Bobby seems to be very informed regarding the legal situation of the case, heck Bobby even did an analysis of the surfaced court documents, where ultimately a sad but very true reality is concluded: "it doesn't change anything" (Well, other than expose Penders as a compulsive liar, which I think IS important)
I have read other people claiming that the settlement is more akin to:
>"Archie and Sega keeps the rights, but you, Ken Penders, can do whatever you want with them and the issues with no fear of legal consequences"
Of course, nobody truly knows what the exact settlement is, other than the snippets that have been implied (mostly by Penders, who, as established before, can't be trusted). So, I'm shocked the level of confidence upon which Bobby claims Penders does have full legal ownership. I wonder if ThanksKenPenders has gotten some information we are not aware, or has just interpreted the available information in a different way.
There is also a chance Bobby is just a supporter of the "Penders has full legal ownership" stance due to Bobby's apparent hate of companies/corporations and how the case was a good precedent for the small creator... something I would dare to say can be debated, but that's a separate discussion.
No.4951
Anonymous
>>4947
Bobby has studied Penders for so long and I'm no legal expert, so I can't really pretend to know about all that.

Otherwise, that was such a detailed dunking on the comic. Basically saying what I said but with more words. Absolute trashfire of a comic.
No.4953
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>4958>>4976
>>4940
I have some real problems with Archie's editors (especially Paul Kaminski), but they really must have been holding back the tide with Penders (and Flynn)
>I have a lot of complaints about the pacing on Ian's later work too
Same. The Unleashed arc wasn't too bad since it was made of distinct smaller arcs, but the Zombots were just awful. I'm still mad they spent all that time on Surge and Kit, just for them to pretty much look into the camera and say "you're never finding out about our past nerds!"
Flynn bitching: Flynn and Penders really do share the exact same bad habit of stretching out stories to the point of absurdity, although Flynn's not as bad (yet). They're also unbelievably smug, although Flynn's more of a Simpsons' Comic Book Guy smug
I've not read much Flash, but I absolutely love tight arcs that feel like they've packed in a year's worth of comics. The Return to Angel Island arc did a great job of that
>spoiler
Speed force is such bullshit. Either just make it a regular super power or fully commit and give Superman access to the Punch Force and Batman access to the Bags of Money Force
>>4943
lmao, they really are willing to document anything Sonic-related!
>>4944
I'm still waiting for my Remington daki, in all his creepy pizza delivery man glory
>>4947
Oh boy! Bobby's the absolute best when it comes to analyzing Penders' insanity. While I agree with most of the conclusions, I should clarity that while Archie did sue Penders, they were legally obligated to sue when Penders registered his copyrights due to their contract with Sega.
>There is also a chance Bobby is just a supporter of the "Penders has full legal ownership" stance due to Bobby's apparent hate of companies/corporations and how the case was a good precedent for the small creator... something I would dare to say can be debated, but that's a separate discussion.
Bobby's 100% on the small creator side, and in general I agree. We ultimately don't know the full details of the settlement, but I'm also inclined to agree that Penders is allowed to reprint his own work, and make new stories so long as they don't include Sonic characters and don't look like Sonic characters. Where I disagree is that Penders likely doesn't have the full rights, just am Archie (and maybe Sega) wont sue. I also think that Sega could reprint any of the Archie comics if they wanted to.

Oh, and after reading the post:
>Remington. His bio is, frankly, shockingly long for such a minor character
>such a minor character
>minor character
I take it all back, Bobby's a monster and must be stopped!
No.4954
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>>4450
From Thanks Ken Penders, the slightly altered version of this page. He put his dorky boomer logo in the comic!
No.4958
Anonymous
Replies:>>4962>>5104
>>4953
>I should clarity that while Archie did sue Penders
Yes, that part also caught my attention. With the way it was written, it seemed like Bobby painted it as if Archie were the bad guys for suing (though, to be fair, it is a common misconception that Penders was the one who sued, so maybe Bobby was just clarifying).

There is some other discussion regarding the topic, because according to Penders, the moment he started the copyright process Archie and Sega should have been informed by the office and could have challenged the registration itself, but they didn't. Instead, according to his version, Archie waited until the registrations were finished to act.

>Where I disagree is that Penders likely doesn't have the full rights
Yes, I also have a hard time believing Penders has the rights. I think the most suspicious part is Penders absolute refusal to reveal even the generalities of the settlement.
He always tries to dodge the subject with excuses like "it will endanger my legal position" and such, but unless the settlement has an NDA, he could inmediately shut up any challenge the Sonic fandom put to his claims. Instead, he always resort to his now classics:
>"I did the legal battle, you did not."
>"I know how things turned out."
>"My lawyers advised me to..."
Etc... thus, all his answers can be summarized as: "Dude, trust me"
But, I can't Ken... after all your lies, I can't trust you.
No.4961
Anonymous
Replies:>>4963
>>4947
ThanksKenPenders mentions that the formatting of the reprinted part is weird, but can't figure out why (as in, they don't have the same exact size, some are tilted a little, etc...)
The reason is because they are literal scans made by an associate of Penders (once his Twitter stooges) from, apparently, official prints of the comic.
So, I would not be surprised that the formatting is weird because he just received the scans and copy-pasted them on the file he sent for printing.
No.4962
thirstposter ## VIP
Still no 4/co/ thread yet
>>4958
>Yes, that part also caught my attention. With the way it was written, it seemed like Bobby painted it as if Archie were the bad guys for suing (though, to be fair, it is a common misconception that Penders was the one who sued, so maybe Bobby was just clarifying).
A lot of people say Penders sued Archie, which while factually incorrect, is closer to the truth in that he forced them choose between suing him or losing the Sonic license. I agree Bobby was probably just trying to clear up a common misconception. That said, it's pretty clear Archie are the bad guys in Bobby's view. Personally, I think Archie are incompetent scum that mistreated their writers and artists, and fumbled a lawsuit they could've easily won. Of course I think Penders is also scum, for obvious reasons

>There is some other discussion regarding the topic, because according to Penders, the moment he started the copyright process Archie and Sega should have been informed by the office and could have challenged the registration itself, but they didn't. Instead, according to his version, Archie waited until the registrations were finished to act.
I don't know enough about the law to say whether that's true, but I could see Archie dropping the ball here. Sega wouldn't have bothered responding since part of the license agreement was that Archie handle all legal issues to do with the comic

>Yes, I also have a hard time believing Penders has the rights.
Even if there was an NDA, it wouldn't be able to stop him showing the part of the agreement that says what he's allowed to do. He needs to be able to show that section so 3rd parties (e.g., his TLSC's publisher) know he's actually allowed to do what he's doing.

>But, I can't Ken... after all your lies, I can't trust you.
The Todd Howard of Sonic comics!
Todd's sweet little liesyoutube thumb
No.4963
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>>4961
The page dimensions of the book aren't quite the same as a regular comic. Instead of going for a more expensive option and having the paper cut to size, Penders just haphazardly added in borders. He didn't even centralize the pages!
>he just received the scans and copy-pasted them on the file he sent for printing
Yeah, he doesn't have the originals so he's probably using the same files I did for the Archie Ride. Of course I at least removed all the jpeg compression artifacts. One day I'll have the time to redo cleaning up all the early Archie comics
No.4976
Anonymous
Replies:>>4977
>>4953
>lmao, they really are willing to document anything Sonic-related!
Where is the page for Tamers than?
No.4977
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4976
They rightfully fear his power
No.4978
Anonymous
Replies:>>4983
>>4977
Wasn't there a time where Tamers link to Retro in one of his comments? I forget what it was about though
No.4982
Anonymous
Replies:>>4983
Well, the 4/co/ thread is up
144318885

>Many thanks to the anon that put this up on plus4chan
Manners maketh man
No.4983
thirstposter ## VIP
>>4978
That sounds vaguely familiar
>>4982
>Manners maketh man
That was nice of him! Was also brave of him to post the whole thing uncensored
Direct and archive links:
https://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/144350420
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/144350420
No.4993
Anonymous
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I feel for this guy.
No.5064
Anonymous
Replies:>>5071
>>4993
Yeah, the worst thing about Penders' comic is that it's not even all that funny. It's just sorta ugly and boring.

I remember Roger Ebert once criticized a movie called "Mad Dog Time" by saying that it was the first movie he'd seen that "did not improve upon the sight of a blank screen viewed for the same length of time." The Lara-Su Chronicles is the first comic I've read that doesn't improve on the sight of a blank piece of paper viewed for the same length of time.
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Looks like we've got some actual good art for TLSC. Penders should've just hired them
>>4993
I think we're all feeling that way
>>5064
That's a good way to put it
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>>5071
Here's their regular Sonic style
No.5081
Anonymous
>>5071
Pretty good!
No.5101
Anonymous
Replies:>>5103
>>5071
>That Lara-Su(?)
Fascinating... so the only thing that keeps the "Echyd'nya" as barely "legally distinct" from the Sonic style is the fact they are drawn so horribly in the comics.
It is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Credit where is due, Geoffrey could indeed pass for any generic furry OC.
No.5103
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Well, that's the 4/co/ thread finished. Went a lot better than I expected
>>5101
Seeing them competently drawn really shows up the underlying design issues. Clothes that shiny (and skintight) need to be a more distinct color from the character's fur, and the outfits need simplified in general. The weird arm crystals and Liefeld pouches on Lara-Su don't tell us anything about the character and overcomplicate her design. Likewise, Geoffrey's unit patch is way too detailed when compared to the rest of the character, and would be difficult to render across a wide range of distances. Also, the sleeveless tunic with epaulets makes him look like the Rose Bride from Utena

The dress is also weird, since the front's covered but the butt's completely exposed. As a rule, characters with that detailed anatomy need to either be completely nude at the crotch (to show there isn't anything down there) or completely covered up. Both Lara-Su and Geoffrey are a slight gust of wind away from a public indecency charge.

>Credit where is due, Geoffrey could indeed pass for any generic furry OC.
Agreed. I actually like Geoffrey's design in general, since the black and white fur provides a nice contrast with any potential outfit. The hair's also pretty cute
No.5104
Anonymous
Replies:>>5107
>>4958
Reminder that Bobby is besties with Evan Stanley so anything and everything they say re: Archie and co is inherently biased
No.5107
Anonymous
Replies:>>5109
>>5104
That's my biggest problem with a lot of the people who chronicle Penders' insanity. They love to dickride IDW like its Shakespeare.
No.5109
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>5123
>>5107
It's so weird how uncritical they are considering how much time these people devote to pointing out Penders' flaws as a writer.
IDW bashing:
M25YL is this slow meandering plot where all the cool characters you've loved reading have become domesticated and boring, but IDW has the exact same structural flaws, albeit to far less extent. Sonic and friends in IDW lack the edge they've had in every other continuity, including the games. Sonic's attempted to kill Eggman at least once in most games, but here they're having fucking brunch together. Arcs that could've been one or two fantastic issues are stretched out to four, just to fit the graphic novel format.
I get that people can be too harsh on a comic that only exists to remind children to buy Sonic games, but we know they can do better, and frankly Sonic fans deserve better
No.5110
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>4913
Here's the enlarged version, split across two images
No.5111
thirstposter ## VIP
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>>5110
And the other
No.5123
Anonymous
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>>5109
>Sonic and friends lack the edge
>Eggman and Sonic having brunch
>endless meandering
I think it's an overcorrection to the Zombot arc. It was all dark and edgy, and it sucked, so the writers think that the edginess was the problem rather than Shadow being a retard and the arc stretching on for 19 fucking issues.

So now we have overlong arcs about the most boring and saccharine shit imaginable, in a comic about a super-speed mascot with attitude.

It's like how Shad05 and Sonic 06 sucking led to the Meta Era, because SEGA bought into the "shitty friends" meme and overcorrected instead of trying to write better plots and improve the gameplay. Sonic Team thinks they can fix the franchise by changing the content instead of the quality.
No.5697
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>>4502
Got some fanart. It's Infinite and his boyfriend/hostage Sonic raising their kid together! Mpreg Sonic is genuinely more wholesome and cute than whatever Penders was going for
>>5123
Couldn't agree more. Shadow was handled so terribly and I stopped caring 1/3 through the arc
>It's like how Shad05 and Sonic 06 sucking led to the Meta Era, because SEGA bought into the "shitty friends" meme and overcorrected instead of trying to write better plots and improve the gameplay.
I never thought of it that way, but you're completely right. Instead of adapting the "cool hedgehog goes on cool adventures to cool places with his cool friends" they've adapted Sega-style overcorrection and mediocrity
No.5705
thirstposter ## VIP
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Another spicy tweet from the man whose commentary on the 2016 election totally wasn't a foot fetish commission staring Lien-Da and Robotnik
No.5719
Anonymous
Replies:>>5729
>>5705
>Julie-Su
>taking out Trump
She'd just cry in the background while Super Sonic and Hyper Knux battled Turbo Trump or something.
No.5729
thirstposter ## VIP
Replies:>>5783>>5797
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>This is Xero. He’s from the future. He battled Override to save his family. Override flung him back to the era of Lara-Su. There is no way for him to return. Everyone he knows doesn’t yet exist for centuries. With nothing left to lose, this makes him a very dangerous Echyd’nya.
Silver fans rejoice, Penders has got you covered! I guarantee you he's the decedent of Anthony Mackie and Lara-Su
>>5719
If MXYL is anything to go by, they'd all be too busy hosting dinner parties and FaceTiming each other.
>Turbo Trump
I'd kill for a Gallagher-written classic story where they fought him and parodies of other Politicians
No.5783
Anonymous
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>>5729
>That visor, that beard, that nose, that hair
Shit, I'm getting some horrible Biker Mice from Mars bootleg edition vibes from this dude
No.5789
thirstposter ## VIP
>>5783
lmao, he does look suspiciously similar! Biker Mice from Mars was such a cool show, and far more interesting than you'd expect from a TMNT also-ran
No.5797
Anonymous
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>>5697
Hilarious
>>5705
>look it up
>it's real
Why Penders
>>5729
It keeps being said, but ken just can't help but draw everything so ugly. Does he find it appealing?
>spoiler
Gross, curse you for putting that in my head.
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>>5797
My guess is he's such a boomer he didn't know he was doing a fetish commission, and then had to come up with an excuse when people pointed it out. FWIW he did write, ink and color Tails chained up and being tickled (pic related), but I honestly don't think that was for fetish reasons
>It keeps being said, but ken just can't help but draw everything so ugly. Does he find it appealing?
I really don't know. I get that he has to make them visually distinct, but that doesn't mean make it hideous! Even Dawn Best did a redesign that looked really cute but still distinct from the Sonic style
>Gross, curse you for putting that in my head.
lmao, the facial hair and dull purple fur confirms it!