I know the IDW horse is a beaten paste on the floor by this point, but man does it piss me off that they omitted any mentionings of the previous comic in the fan letters. It was such a fucking petty thing to do just to make people not remember it.
And you could tell those were bullshit from the start when none of the picked "fans" mention a single thing about the comic that ran over for 20 years and died a year before this new one came up, on top of the main writers being the same ones from before AND the reason the current comic even started with this many readers.
>>462610 There’s so much bad history and legal shit with both Archie and fleetway. They never want to mention them ever again. Although I am still disgusted with the shitty 900 special shit. True they never promised any return of characters but it was supposed to be a celebration of the comics. Yet there were no comic characters at all. Literally not even the idw ones, just game shit, I actually could not believe they didn’t even include them. Shitty fucking comic.
https://twitter.com/Terusada1/status/1764579688771445241 >someone: Why Zero and not X? Would make a bit more sense if you put Shadow and Zero but it looks great either way mate >artist: cuz why not?
If my calculations are correct then the Ride ends on 13th or 14th (depending what the Conductor does with the classic special issues) Then maybe another thread for the unreleased issues and the online continuations will be posted.
>>462613 Almost over, eh? Well I just want to say it really has been fun going through the comic. Afterwards, I’m just gonna chill here. You guys are cool so I’d rather stay here to casually post sonic than ever post in other usually awful sonic threads
>>462611 >They never want to mention them ever again But its fan letters ! Its not even story content. At this point I'm not even sure if isnt just IDW being scummy instead of this being another mandate restriction by Sega. Either way you get "miraculous" cases like this guy who apparently never heard of the series that pretty much spanned the entire time range when he was coincidentally out of the Sonic comic scene. That one is either fake, or he didnt want to get his letter filtered out and chose to not mention anything Archie related.
Was just able to catch the end of Worlds Unite after the thread archived. Holy shit, what an absolutely nothing event that just decided to Sonic 06 itself out of canon. The amount of fucking money wasted on this must've been just so ridiculous and wasteful, plus all the lost issues all the comics had which ended up being for literally no reason. And then both Mega Man and Sonic Boom just get cancelled afterwards, what a fucking disaster.
>>462621 It's a four day diversion. You can handle that much. Think of it like that one arc in Yugioh where the gang got zapped into the digital world and Marik is just hanging out until they get back.
>>462591 https://www.deviantart.com/princessgalaxia9/ Amy's Family - Ch 2 - Pg 26 We can either be in denial aww, or be in complete distress with what reality is unravelling.
Seeing we were dealing with a new continuity, I thought I would be done with this earlier, but it turns out it took me up until Conductor story-timed issue #275 for me to be done with my new batch for my Archie Sonic: the complete and definitive reading order list
Without any further ado, here it is.
-A tomorrower world Sonic Universe #4 Sonic Universe #5 Sonic Universe #6 Sonic Universe #7 Sonic Universe #8
-Brace for some heavy weapon grade Irony Sonic #201 Sonic #202 Sonic #203 Sonic #204 Sonic Universe #9 Sonic Universe #10 Sonic Universe #11 Sonic Universe #12 Sonic #205 Sonic #206 Sonic #207 Sonic #208 Sonic #209 Sonic Universe #13 Sonic Universe #14 Sonic Universe #15 Sonic Universe #16 Sonic #210 Sonic #211
-Enjoy it while it last Sonic Free Comic Book Day 2010 Sonic #212 Sonic Universe #17 Sonic Universe #18 Sonic Universe #19 Sonic Universe #20 Sonic #213 Sonic #214 Sonic #215 Sonic #216 “Welcome Back, Chao!” from Sonic #217 Sonic Universe #21 Sonic Universe #22 Sonic Universe #23 Sonic Universe #24 Sonic #217 (minus “Welcome Back, Chao!”) Sonic #218
-Like a nagging feeling... Sonic #219 (minus “Sonic Colors”) Sonic #220 Sonic #221 Sonic #222 Sonic Universe #25 Sonic Universe #26 Sonic Universe #27 Sonic Universe #28 Sonic #223 Sonic #224 Sonic Free Comic Book Day 2011 Sonic #225 Sonic Universe #29 Sonic Universe #30 Sonic Universe #31 Sonic Universe #32
-Wait, let's start over Sonic #226 Sonic #227 Sonic #228 Sonic #229 “Sonic: Genesis Awakenings” from Sonic Free Comic Book Day 2012 “Haunted” from Sonic #231
-Mecha-suffering Sonic #230 (minus “Sonic Generations”) Sonic #231 (minus “Haunted”) Sonic #232 Sonic Universe #33 Sonic Universe #34 Sonic Universe #35 Sonic Universe #36 Sonic #233 Sonic #234 Sonic #235 Sonic Universe #37 Sonic Universe #38 Sonic Universe #39 Sonic Universe #40 Sonic #236 Sonic #237 Sonic #238 Sonic #239 Sonic #240 Sonic Universe #41 Sonic Universe #42 Sonic Universe #43 Sonic Universe #44 Sonic #241 “Unfriendly Skies” from Sonic #242 Sonic Universe #46 Sonic Universe #47 Sonic Universe #48 Sonic Universe #49 Sonic #243 Sonic #244 Sonic #245 Sonic #246 Sonic Universe #50 Mega Man #23 Sonic #247
-Clean sweep “Invaders From Beyond” from Sonic #191 “Sonic Unleashed” from Sonic #193 “Sonic Colors” from Sonic #219 “Time for a Comeback” from Sonic Super Special Magazine #3 Sonic Universe #45 Sonic #242 (minus “Unfriendly Skies”) “Sonic Generations” from Sonic #230
-I'm a super fighting robot from the year 2010 Mega Man #24 Sonic Universe #51 Sonic #248 Mega Man #25 Sonic Universe #52 Sonic #249 Mega Man #26 Sonic Universe #53 Sonic #250 Mega Man #27 Sonic Universe #54 Sonic #251
-A tomorrower world With Eggman defeated, our heroes might finally get their peaceful future, or at least some version of them. But even then, few things are more fragile than good times. Let's take a look.
I decided to lump Sonic Universe #4 with this chapter, as I didn't want it to clutter the final of the previous chapter. It can more or less stand alone and it segway directly into 30YL. Other than that, it's quite straightforward.
Our heroes might have rested a little too much on their laurels, cause this might arguably be the crisis with the most wretched repercussions that could have been prevented with a bit of fore-thinking. But what is done is done and they will do their best to put an end to the great return of the Iron Queen. Also some purple guy.
It's nice to have the side-stories fit neatly in the continuity of the main storyline. Almost considered putting together the two parts of “Friend in Deed” but you can consider they happens simultaneously to the main story and I keep my priority to maintaining the issues whole if possible.
I put the Knuckles Universe arc right after so we remain with the Echidna. Everything else fly perfectly, continuity wise.
-Enjoy it while it last If truly there was a golden age for the Freedom fighters, it would most likely be there. Our heroes enjoy some real happiness before things take a turn for the worse. Old flame reignited, honey moon journeyed, new friends found, treasure chase and friendly games of fisticuffs... Such good time can not last forever, enjoy it while it last...
While the Blaze arc interrupt the segway between issue #216 and #217, its nothing to really be bothered by and I prefer to put it where things are still light-hearted, before the Oil Ocean story, which has a conclusion ominous of things to come, so perfect to end that chapter. I obviously moved the “Welcome Back, Chao!” story before the Blaze Universe arc, as it is basically a prologue to it.
-Like a nagging feeling... Make room for the real King, you know, the one who wanted to commit Robot-Genocide. He is better, now he just want to impose segregation. No? Well we'll settle that later. Meanwhile, a few lighter moment still prevail. They will be ruined fast. You take what you can get before a dark future happens. Like getting sent to jail. Or losing what you care the most in the world...
The end of the Dark Mobius make a direct reference to the first Genesis Wave event, so I put it as close to issue #226 without it interrupting an ongoing story. After #222 is the best fit.
Similarly, the whole prison arc start and end before the first Genesis Wave event end, according to Zonic, but the arc doesn't really spoil about what is actually going on, so I can put it right before #226. Good way to tease the readers before they get to actually read Sonic Genesis issues. There isn't really anywhere else to put it without creating an big disruption in the ongoing story.
You'll notice I also removed “Sonic Colors”, it'll be put somewhere else.
-Wait, let's start over Have you ever thought to yourself "Maybe Archie Sonic is too complicated, let's have a clean state". No? Well too bad, Robotnik thinks otherwise. Fortunately, Sonic is still there to save the day. This time...
Straightforward, I added the “Sonic: Genesis Awakenings” text-stories right after, as they don't actually spoil the ending of #230. I hesitated to let “Haunted” in its own issue, but #230 itself directly make reference to the events of “Haunted” so I am putting it before #230.
-Mecha-suffering Sonic got 99 problems and Sally is most of them. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and it's now taking a turn for the worst. Friends lost, throne usurped, families torn down, faith in your own abilities and your own nature shattered, your own kind lost... But it's not like our Heroes ever give up. Can they prevail again? Shushhhh, it's a secret (knowing smile).
This one is a long chapter, but most issues can be kept whole and in their order. Here the mainline issues were written to make clear where the Babylon Rogues arc take place. It interrupt a bit the story, right after it was announced St John would be put on Trial, but it works nevertheless. I decided to put the Scrambled arc after issue #235. Snively is last seen still working for Robotnik in #234, but #235 serve as a good conclusion to the events of #234 and the best point to interrupt the story for the scrambled arc.
The secret Freedom Fighter Universe arc shouldn't start before the whole team is finally assembled and that means it can only take place after issue #240. Issue #241 serve as a good conclusion to it.
Now, the Chaotix arc is the most detached arc from the rest of the ongoing storyline, which meant I had to find a point where it was the less disruptive and right after #241 seems the best fit, as issue #243 to #246 form a whole story on its own. I hesitated to put “Unfriendly Skies” right after the Chaotix arc, as a sort of recap after the "detour" with the Chaotix, but a repetition of dialogues and scenery with “Unfriendly Skies” and #243 made me think the intermission would be best put between the two.
Sonic Universe #50 outright state it take place after #246, so there it goes. Mega Man #23 has Wily explicitly mentioning Ivo and taking an exit before the Genesis Wave fade out in white so I am including it in the list. SU#50, MM#23 and #247 all conclude with a Genesis Wave fading out in white so I am banding them together and I think it fit best to conclude with #247, this way we at least get the "conclusion" of Sonic retrieving Sally (as well as the actual explanation about the whole traitor deal, if anyone still care about that).
Sonic Generation was removed to be moved somewhere else. Speaking of...
-Clean sweep What do you mean, it looks like I just threw together all the stories I couldn't fit anywhere else? No! It's the game continuity, according to the new realities created by our two favourite evil masterminds. See? It fit perfectly. All those stories predate the events of the crossover. Now enjoy your game ads and shut up!
Seriously, though, it actually fits. More or less. The crossover make several references to past events including some of the games who had got the "other time, other place" treatment in the comics. If they are going to fit somewhere, it's there. You'll notice the absence of the “Shattered Crystal Digital Comic” that I intent to put right before the first issue of the Sonic Boom comic.
One final note, I put the “Sonic Generations” story right before the start of the crossover. It's completely intentional and to make it fit with what we learn of the continuity in World Unite. You might not like it, but that's what the canon says things are.
-I'm a super fighting robot from the year 2010 Sonic and Mega Man, the crossover to end all crossovers... Wait, that's world Unite. Never mind. It is nevertheless one of the best crossover ever made, panning 12 issues of constant fun and actions, with heroes and villain at their best. Now to just not ruin the final... Wait... No... Damn! Oh well, even if the ending leave a little sour taste, it's quite a treat to enjoy.
Easiest chapter I had to order. I'd say it was because it was a planned event with the whole arc planned issue by issue, but I won't be able to say the same about World Unite. I am looking at you, battles issues.
No, I didn't include all the previous Mega Man issues in this list. For the same reason I didn't include all the Sabrina the Teenage Witch issues either. This is an Archie Sonic comic list and it's already big enough as it is. It's not like the reading order of the previous Mega Man issues were hard to figure either.
And that's it, all the preboot issues are finally fully ordered the best they can be. More than a decade after it ended, it was about time. You are welcome. It was quite a journey, but it ain't over yet. But for now leave me with my melancholy and let me contemplate what has been lost...
But as always, if you spot mistakes or improvements that can be done, still do not hesitate to point it out to me.
>>462635 Sad for Sally considering the circumstances, but at least we know it's a decision Sonic would make. Too bad he's still stuck in the rape dungeon, although this makes me question if anybody has written and/or illustrated a fic or comic where all of Sonic's love interests fight over him. Sally, Amy, Shadow, Surge, Blaze, Elise...etc
Just finished the crossover. That was fucking awful. What a MESS. All those characters appearing just to do NOTHING. Sticks getting all they prominence but she was unfunny as hell. Fuck her. Sonic and Rock “save” the day, and WORSE, they said they had the emeralds the entire battle. Making the other characters look useless. This IS the worst case of cheerleaders I’ve ever seen too and I thought gens annd frotniers was bad. And then Xander seriously undid everything and was the one to truly save the daylmao. Fuck this crossover. Bloated fucking mess.
Also my god, can people please stop replying to boco? They’re honestly just as retarded as he is to reply to him. God stop replying to shitposters, guys
Archie Sonic Storytime #156 Mega Man #53-55, Sonic Boom #11, and Castaway https://boards.4channel.org/co/thread/142565005 https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/142565005
>>462669 Yeah, he's just being salty again. Probably because anons aren't paying enough attention to him. I wonder if he's mad the spoiler in my /co/cksluts post conveniently had the same width as a link to here?
>>462670 I'll have to hunt down and upload all the incomplete final stories this weekend then! What were the Archie continuations you wanted collated again? I'll get those up on the website too
>>462672 I have ASO, IIRC Sonic Retold needs to be resized, I haven't checked the pages I have. I need the Steel issues of Scourge Eternal Blackout. I have all of Heroes Come Back since that hasn't updated since we covered it. So just Retold and Scourge.
>janny being petty asshole No surprise there. If there’s anything to feel good about. Once we’re done with the specific Archie continuations, which won’t take long. We can move here to hang out and not need to deal with that insane special “friend” of ours. May be slower but personally I’m fine with that. Several people has had it out for us for years despite being harmless. I’m sick of that shit
>>462677 Yeah, I'm looking forward to just posting here. I'll probably do the occasional storytime over there just to make more anons aware of here >>462678 Too hot for 4/co/! >>462679 It's another janny that has it in for Rotor-bro (and dislikes gayposting in general). I hope our dear schizo doesn't get jealous that we're seeing other jannies behind his back! >>462682 It's relatively rare to get a temporary block since it's supposed to be a tool of last resort for the jannies. I use 4chanX, which is a userscript that makes using 4chan almost bearable. It generates popups for bans, warnings and blocks whenever you try to post under those conditions. It also helpfully edits the post cooldown timer for blocks so you know exactly when to try posting again!
>>462683 >It's another janny that has it in for Rotor-bro (and dislikes gayposting in general). I hope our dear schizo doesn't get jealous that we're seeing other jannies behind his back! I didn't even know that. What a fun bunch of people moderating that site.
https://www.deviantart.com/woforlife/art/SAS-You-re-Toast-Page-1-1028351203 So the artist for Sonic Adventure Soup realized that their Sonic Boom diversion was the best part of their comic and is expanding on it. Also, if you check their gallery... they've... been... thorough in visualizing things.
>>462684 I started noticing when our schizo was busy shitting up other threads or was riding out a ban that the Rotor posts were still getting deleted. Other times our Schizo will be deleting posts but not bothering with the Rotor posts. Personally I think there's one janny that has a real hate-boner (or regular boner) for Rotor-bro >>462685 >Also, if you check their gallery... they've... been... thorough in visualizing things. Wow, I thought you were talking about the chaos emerald tutorial. I was not expecting a 1:12 scale diorama of Amy's house!
>>462686 I still think it's weird (but also kinda sad) that some janny has a real hate boner for an IMO well spoken gay guy that just loves Rotor. Like he somehow really gets under his skin. Like I think Rotor is a qtpie as well, specially that look he had during the very end of the preboot where he was more frizzy with those glasses and baseball cap.
>>462673 >>462674 https://www.deviantart.com/spikethehellhog/ Will you consider doing The Return of Mecha Sally too, even if its second book is not complete yet?
>>462692 It goes into alternate reality to set some stuff but it's via Zonic and it outright relies on the Mecha Sally arc as well as specifically issue #29 of Archie sonic https://www.deviantart.com/spikethehellhog/art/Origins-Part-1-842931446 https://www.deviantart.com/spikethehellhog/art/Origins-Part-2-843050629 https://www.deviantart.com/spikethehellhog/art/Origins-Part-3-843139028
It does fuse all the alternate Sonics from other official continuities into a single one at some point, though.
Thinking about how Tails is supposed to be someone who goes off and do his own thing. But that will literally never actually happen despite all the bullshit of saying he’ll be better. Makes me sad.
>>462694 I guess you could say the reason it doesn't really constitute a "continuation" is because it actually skip the resolution of the Mecha-Sally arc.
It might be an arbitrary rule, but having to complete that arc to qualify as actually being a continuation is a good enough guideline.
Thinking back of World Unite, the way most character handle the Reploids when they invade their world actually make them look decent to even great. But then they become completely useless once they are brought up. I think that's really what make you feels the missed potential.
>>462700 It's not like it's some impossible task to come up with something for Tails to do in a standalone game. Stuff like Tail Concerto, Solatorobo and even FUGA are already games about animal people piloting robots and going on adventures.
Now that I think about it, a Tails game made by CC2 could be interesting.
>>462705 >>462706 Its not only the diorama part she's dedicated at, look at this huge text she wrote to talk about shading Sonic characters. https://www.deviantart.com/woforlife/art/Sonic-Tails-Amy-and-Shadow-Colored-Pencil-Chart-957111289
>most of the anons talking about everything but what was happening in the comic Oh well. At least it's still relevant to the story and not a ghost town so the thread should hit bump limit eventually.
>/sthg/ gets to post fat Nicole ass and Mina underboob but anything mildly lewd on /co/ gets insta-deleted /co/ really has some very special moderation team.
>>462722 We need more Sol dimension than we need the future that'd both harder to develop and either 100% gone post apoc style or all sunshine and rainbows.
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 5 Page 23 https://mobiuscomics.com
AI Sally knows all of the Freedom Fighters’ moves. She’s now in control of the swatbots. So that makes things much more difficult for our heroes. Also, Sonic wanted to get Sally back as soon as possible. Well, here’s a Sally. Just not the one he wanted.
>>462704 Yeah, Tails quite literally works for anything because of how versatile his skills are. On paper, he's super genius capable of building almost anything, on top of also being a flying speedster. All while being 8 years old. The potential man pic ain't exactly lying lmao. But yeah, he does fit quite the variety of gameplay styles, like how his SA1/SA2 gameplay is the exact opposite. I say fuck it and make Tails rts with his own robo army.
>>462711 Publication order be damned, I think this arc wold be better if it was read before World Unite and before Silver's first appearance in the reboot.
https://www.deviantart.com/sonicsimpertehe/art/Old-Sonic-art-from-2022-cuz-idk-1028659111 Amy is actually helping set the mood. Titanic Flute Fail SOUND NO COPYRIGHT
>>462716 That's the whole problem with Silver. (And, frankly, Blaze). They're designed as protags for their own stories but don't have the support to tell those stories. What even is a good future for Silver? All he has is "time lost asshole trying to fix something while being manipulated." so there's no real place for him to go once that wears thin.
The idea of making the future, or the Sol Dimension, interesting places to visit and explore is a good one but genuinely difficult with how Sega wants the franchise to work. It's wild how many one off places in Mario could be visited again easily because of just a bit more care in the subtle setting building.
>>462744 :O >>462745 He's fun but underused. At least he and the BBA get one more use in the Archie Ride. >>462747 Yeah it's weird. Seems like they needed to hastily set up something for Silver to do to get him in the event and Evan got to show what happened before it. >>462748 I did before going to sleep. Was going to do something when I woke up but it looks like it was taken care of. >>462752 She was fun and helpful and provided a lot of heart to the story.
>>462751 Sega and Sonic team are pretty weird and constantly at odds with their own ends, so I choose to blame them. They want to have Knuckles show up, but they don't have an explanation for why he's not guarding the master emerald, and refuse to give him one. Heck people complain about Shadow, but Knuckles hasn't had anything longer than he has, as a Zoomer all I really know him as from personal experience is "That guy that stands next to Sonic" And of course, Shadow doesn't have anything, not even any friends, because that's the way Sega wants to write him. Despite still pairing him up with Rouge and Omega in spin offs and promotional materiel despite Sega wanting Rouge to be more of a Sonic focused character. Sonic and Shadow don't even have any particular relationship between mutual antagonism, why does Shadow even give a shit about the blue blur?
>>462684 Conductor, just to point out how unhinged Rapeape (the head admin in charge of 4chan) and his clique are, they're currently deleting threads talking about Toriyama's death on /v/ despite the fact he contributed to JRPG's as a whole and have been deleting actual vidya threads for while as well. Meanwhile, constant AI spam, porn, and twitter politics are left out in the open and untouched.
>>462731 I find it really funny that this Eggman hated Metal's snarky personality enough to dumpster his mind and original programming, but is content with having AI Sally be not only fully self-aware, but really articulate too unlike Mecha Sally who was only somewhat better than the standard roboticized puppet.
>>462784 Not just /v/, but everywhere at this point. RapeApe is a /pol/fag of the worst order and wants to turn the entire site into a vehicle for political outrage bait and shitposting, regardless of how damaging it is to the site as a whole or the various board topics. It's why Pixy and ABIB have their staff positions, and why psychos like guy, Horrorfag, and other such nutcases not only never get banned but you can get yourself banned if you report them.
4chan has long since died at this point, as far as I'm concerned.
>>462785 Metal Sonic annoyed him with the puns and zoomerspeak. That's not a problem with AI Sally because she's compliant and competent. Also, Eggman would enjoy having a Metal Tails. A robot apprentice that would follow him and be in awe of his accomplishments. Then Metal Tails gets too ambitious and finds Eggman inferior and you know what that leads to.
>>462786 Yeah it seems the boards I check out the most are just shitposting and outrage bait. At first I thought the mods were spread too thin and can't get everything but after seeing what's deleted and what rarely if ever is, it's obvious what they want and probably even encourage.
>>462778 Not me, but I'm having fun with it! >>462782 And here I thought ABIB was the salty one! >>462784 >ass backwards Hey, you leave the vidja butts poster out of this! They add a much-needed sense of class to the /v/ catalog
>>462635 Amy's Family - Ch 2 - Pg 27 https://www.deviantart.com/princessgalaxia9/ Imagine if someone kidnapped Robo-Sonic and replaced him with a robot duplicate!
>>462790 Don't remember the exact name, but we covered it way back - its the one where Sonic and Tails enter another world populated primarily by bird mobians.
>>462786 I can't even post images at /v/, it permanently gives me a "your IP has been blocked from posting images due to abuse" message. It used to be that I could reset my IP once or twice to get around it, but there's just no point in it any more. /v/ is text only as far as I'm concerned.
On the topic of Toriyama: Konductor, I've uploaded an ongoing comic called Sonic vs Goku. There's about 100 pages so far: https://twitter.com/KAD_Productions
>>462701 An instant improvement! I hate Funkopops so much, they're genuinely one of the few things that make me seethe with rage >>462712 It's probably the cloudflare captcha (that runs before the regular captcha). Try disabling the userscript temporarily or use the [original form] up the top of a page. Sometimes it helps if you visit the home page and click the dialogue thing that pops up >>462731 Poor Sonic ;_; >>462743 He's the angriest bird™, hew hew! >>462800 That song is so cool! >>462804 Hiro, the new(ish) owner likes him so he won't be out until the site changes hands again. Of course, being supreme janny probably doesn't lend itself to the healthiest of lifestyle choices. Assuming he's around Moot's age and obese, he's got around 5-7 years left. Less if he's a heavy drinker and smokes
https://www.deviantart.com/risziarts/art/Super-978512441 >Seeing the Super form for the first time One thing that kinda disappointed me in the comic was that the first time he turns Super, it's just treated like a normal thing. How would you treat Sonic becoming Super for the first time, if you could rewrite it?
>>462811 >Best characterization of Lanolin! >Coffee addiction is cool! >Better than IDW! >I like how ABT writes the characters, they have more of a distinct voice. Of course it's still shit, being better than IDW and having stronger character voice than Ian isn't hard, Lanolin shouldn't exist in the first place, ABT is making IDW even worse with his soulless 3d model traced art, and it's in a soon to be dead comic series about character we'll hopefully never see again due to how dog shit they are. The "best" thing that has come out of IDW is the concepts of the Impostors but they're only slightly less bad than the rest of the shit. Good thing IDW is going under and we'll never see any of them again.
>>462810 Always nice to get a little extra ABT! It's interesting how the IDW characters seem to be developing their own personalities outside of the official comics that are different to the official ones. I wish he'd do this sketchy look instead of the weird 3d look he does in the comics. Giant head Shadow is cute, cute! >>462811 It's the only official unofficial comic for IDW (that I know of). Personally I find it funny how they're both acting like weirdos in their own way over coffee >>462813 She worked on it before and after that Sonic issue. If you know which one has that not-Nicole, you can find out here: https://www.comics.org/checklist/name/Tania%20del%20Rio/ >>462814 I think the not-super transformation in SatAM and in the second movie got it mostly right. Right now, Super Sonic is mostly treated as the beat Eggman plot device, but neglects the healing/creation aspect. (Game) Sonic is either relaxing in tranquil locations or going on an adventure and saving the day and I think the super state should reflect both of these aspects of Sonic.
The chaos emeralds are at their core wish granting devices and wishes always reflect the personality and emotional state of the person (hence why Chaos turns into a monster whereas Sonic turns into a shinier, faster version of himself). Incorporating healing of the landscape allows the audience to see that Eggman can't even score a Pyrrhic victory over Sonic by destroying the local environment, and better shows the part of Sonic that wants to enjoy nature as it is, as well as the part that wants to save the day.
As for how I'd write it in the games. We see Sonic restore South Island with 6 chaos emeralds in S1, so S2 really should've had him call on the emeralds in the same way during the Death Egg fight, only this time he'd transform since he had all 7. They'd then have a cool fight like in the second movie or the opening cutscene of Unleashed, but then he'd use the powers to clean up Eggman's mess on Westside Island (the Chemical Plant, etc) before touching down near Tails and the Tornado and depowering. It's important to show that Sonic only maintains the super state until the threat is over since he's not the sort of person to seek power
>>462817 I dont like lanolin much myself but you should calm down a bit lol. >>462818 TBH Super Sonic has been the the beat Eggman/Monster plot device since Adventure. Also it may seem bit of a hot take but kinda of not a fan of the implications that positive power is more strong than Negative with how they say it only gets it real power with good thoughts. Makes the chaos emeralds an inherently good thing instead of the more neutral thing they should be imo. Negative energy should be just as equal and powerful and so people feeling bad would power that too.
>>462818 >but then he'd use the powers to clean up Eggman's mess on Westside Island (the Chemical Plant, etc) Just so you know, that's not a bad idea at all. It's simple but absolutely work with the character. I might even steal it, if you don't mind.
>>462819 Yeah, you could even argue it started with S3&K. I completely agree about the positive/negative thing and headcanon it as more of a desire scoping thing. Chaos technically made a negative wish in that he wanted enough power to exact revenge on the Knuckles clan (and later to regain that power) whereas Sonic made a positive wish in that he wanted enough power to save the day. Sonic's wish is only more powerful because it has a grander scope and because he's the most adept chaos energy user/has a stronger will.
The type of emotion doesn't really matter, so long as it allows the user to focus their willpower. The Eclipse Canon is much more powerful than Perfect Chaos and it's essentially Gerald's proxy super transformation that wishes for the world's destruction. It's unclear if Super Sonic and Super Shadow would've been able to block a shot from a fully powered Eclipse Canon. That said, the emeralds are faintly sentient and have their own agenda. At the very least they clearly like Sonic more than anyone else
>>462820 Thanks! I'm totally fine with you stealing it!
>>462821 I can just imagine Bell riding out on a little tricycle!
>>462823 For that Eclipse Canon thing, it wasn't really wishing there. It was just using them as their most basic at a unlimited power source for something like a battery, which anyone could do. > t's unclear if Super Sonic and Super Shadow would've been able to block a shot from a fully powered Eclipse Canon Personally, I think that would be one of the few things that could really fuck them up. That thing pierces stars if it wanted. >At the very least they clearly like Sonic more than anyone else Only cuz he's the main character lol.
But on the thoughts to power thing. I really think the Sonic 2 movie did that the best at showing it. With Eggman going super doing what he wants, and Sonic using that power to save his family, and literally willing a chili dog into existance. Even for a gag, it really does show how powerful it could be than just ramming into something to beat it.
https://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/142596492/archie-sonic-storytime-158#p142598470 https://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/142596492/archie-sonic-storytime-158#p142599600 Now I keep thinking of Lien Da blackmailing Clove with sexual favors because of that anon.
https://twitter.com/yardleyart/status/1766148556170182899 >To be honest, Dragon Ball never did much for me, but I appreciate Toriyama’s immense skill and I certainly can’t say he and his art didn’t have its impact on my life and you’d be hard pressed to find anyone anywhere who could say otherwise. Very very few will ever be his equal.
>>462830 Ah, it looks like they have told the whole story to Silver, which means that we can now be back to busi >how about some more exposition? Drats. Well, it's about Nicole, so I'll forgive it, this time.
>>462830 >>462833 >>462834 Remember. 21 issues and we're still on issue 2. But at least it's updating. Still waiting on Sonic Reminiscing and its 20+ issues to start.
>>462836 Yup! Shock and Awe already have summaries of every issue so you can find out what happens and how it ends. The artist for Sonic Reminiscing had a picture with the scripts for all the issues.
>>462838 The Shock and Awe summaries are found in each folder on their DA page and the Sonic Reminiscing stuff was posted by Thirstposter. This also includes that language they came up with for the comic. https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139389573/#139397353
https://www.deviantart.com/cephalosaur/art/Why-No-Place-is-Flooded-1029241757 From the artist that did those horny Bible verses where Silver and Blaze, a pairing that everyone loves, are all lovey dovey and fucking all the time.
https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/142596492.html#142597048 Okay, beyond the design, I have to point that Lupe was downgraded from being a leader with her own cell of Freedom fighters who later get find out by Sally and put their ressource together to defeat Eggman, to an helpless wolf who couldn't do anything until Sally and her team came to her rescue and couldn't do anything until the OG FF showed them how to fight back.
I am lucky that she has never been an really important character to me even though I still appreciate her), because otherwise, I would be fucking furious.
https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/142596492.html#142597690 Damn, a shame I had to miss last thread, I had a screening call for a job in the morning so I went to bed early.
Still going to post this, courtesy of /co/, from a drawthread.
>>462849 Dragon Ball ain't my favorite anime/manga but I still like it and respect its massive influence. That's a really cute tribute from Tails' creator, always knew Tails had a bit of Gohan in him, is cool to know that Sonic and Tails relationship was based on one of my favorite things from all Dragon Ball. Now that I think about it I can't remember if I was a Sonic or DBZ fan first when I was kid. What a loss, here in Mexico they have been blasting DBZ songs non-stop in the radio.
>>462804 The only way aside from waiting until Hiro sells the site off to someone unwilling to tolerate a psychotic /pol/fag in charge would simply be to dox him. But given 99% of the people shitting up the site don't know or don't care that they're pawns for RapeApe and his goons to ruin the site, that's never happening.
>>462860 >https://www.deviantart.com/emptiedmind20/art/Of-Sea-and-Flame-Pg-9-1025516066 >Draws Silvaze At least the author is doing something with the Sol Dimension, but I can't call them a true Blaze fan and they should get better taste.
>>462591 TEAM DARK: SUPERNOVA ODYSSEY Issue 3 cover A https://teamdarksupernovaodyssey.tumblr.com So many magical macguffins! Cover B is a stand-in for now until a zine releases
>>462863 The sheer truth this radiates really is funny, I can’t thank enough whoever made this for bluntly putting how it be. Though I sometimes feel bit mean ragging on Silver and what not
>>462857 Bit annoyed slept in and missed first half but quickly caught up, enjoyed comic and did my thoughts on the best Egg Bosses, Ahklut and Mordred, though still prefer preboot Hood.
>>462825 >For that Eclipse Canon thing, it wasn't really wishing there. It was just using them as their most basic at a unlimited power source for something like a battery, which anyone could do. Yeah, the prevailing theory is simple machines can just extract energy (Eclipse Canon, the Tornado/Crashnado) and more complex machines can obtain some sort of super state (Mecha Sonic II, Metal Overlord). Personally, I think the Eclipse Canon is the physical specification of Gerald's wish whereas Sonic, Chaos, etc mentally specify their wish. Essentially, he made a giant laser-shaped thing with chaos emerald slots that say "unlimited energy goes in here, death laser goes out here." This is all headcanon, but I think it wouldn't be able to fire using a conventional energy source because it's actually a mechanical placebo (i.e., it works because Gerald believes it does). Sonic Team probably weren't going for that, although they do like including fringe science in their work (Metal Sonic is powered by an orgone engine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone >Personally, I think that would be one of the few things that could really fuck them up. That thing pierces stars if it wanted. Yeah, my guess is it's actually the most powerful force in the games in terms of raw power >Only cuz he's the main character lol. That too! >But on the thoughts to power thing. I really think the Sonic 2 movie did that the best at showing it. With Eggman going super doing what he wants, and Sonic using that power to save his family, and literally willing a chili dog into existance. Even for a gag, it really does show how powerful it could be than just ramming into something to beat it. Exactly! Robotnik was able to will a giant mech into existence but Sonic's feat of creating edible food from nothing is actually far more impressive >>462826 I love Dandi's artstyle but I wish he'd draw more older characters like Sonic and Knuckles, or at least twinkify the other characters >>462839 >Jules is 40 Prime DILF age! Don't believe Dr House's lies, he should actually be using the cane in his left hand >>462846 Nice! >>462850 I really need to move to a new host ;_; >>462854 Hope it went well! >>462858 I'm actually surprised some pissed off anon hasn't doxed him yet
>>462878 Thanks! I got the idea from reading some pseudoscience thing a while back (or maybe it was from the TV show Fringe). The idea is you can build a device like a radio with knobs, dials, and an antenna but not actually put any electronics inside of it. If you gave it to someone without telling them it's empty it would still work because it's running off their expectations, not electronics. We actually see Shadow and Espio hacking computers by karate chopping them in StH and it only works because that's how they think computers work >>462879 Glad to hear! >>462880 If Flynn won't allow Tails a waifu, he'll build his own!
>>462881 Ha suppose that makes sense, actually also in a way makes the Chaos Emeralds more powerful and impressive of they themselves on their own are doing it with the Eclipse Canon merely being a way for Gerald to rationalise their power being able to project on such a scale
>>462882 Yeah, I've always seen Gerald (and Eggman!) as at least a little unhinged, and while they're traditional scientists, they're not above making use of pseudoscience to further their goals. Probably the biggest evidence for this theory is the Gaia Temples. They're just a bunch of rocks that are shaped like temples/parts of a mecha with Chaos Emerald slots. There's no way they should be able to Voltron into a giant mecha, and yet they do!
I was also thinking that the teleporters and Sky Sanctuary's levitation is powered by the same mechanism. The ancient Echidna built them out of rocks but in a way that represented teleportation or levitation to them, although those are powered by the Master Emerald. They probably got the idea when Chaos/Tikal used the ME to pull the island up into the sky.
My guess is it was Tikal's wish for Chaos to be sealed away and for the ME to be out of reach of people who would misuse it. That manifested in the island floating but also creating a sense of duty/instinct in the remaining Echidna to protect the ME. We'll probably never know what actually happened though
>>462886 Feel free to use it if you like! Some day I'll write up all these theories, along with my take on the geography and history of Sonic's world based on the little snippets of information we do have
>>462887 Funny enough working on Bio for Sonic in my au, both want it to have solid info to show what it has from main setting and what is some what different while not being to wordy. Though i worry about balancing what has happened in games or comics with original concepts or ideas I have
>>462885 Going off Frontiers. Sky sanctuary is implied to be the ancients doing as their tech was found plus they’re known for those floating structures too. Wouldn’t even be surprised if the Gaia temples were too. Since all their tech is designed around chaos emeralds and the temples go really well with them. Ayy lmao behind every thing
>>462889 thank god there's one reasonable source for everything cool in sonic now and the elemental gods that were thematic of every 3d sonic game are now just weird robots.
>>462889 Is sky sanctuary still supposed to be a sort of "satellite" floating close to Angel island, as some sort of detached part of it, or has Sega changed the lore since then?
>>462892 They pulled the same shit years earlier with e Babylon rogues, with them and their shit being ayy lmao >>462893 I guess. But the comic is still good to me so whatever >>462894 Still seems to be a satellite that follows it too. Just now that it’s alien made and so are the altars. So Gerald recreating that one in the ark was him recreating an alien structure >>462877 Thinking about your head canon with geral powering it, meaning even if dead his presence was strong enough to power it
>>462895 I still love how it is canon that every bird mobian is descended from aliens, like it’s oddly specific but also just really fun as a universe detail
>>462896 The movies too had an easteregg where babylonian text was found in the owl's temple. Hinting at their being a connection and possibly being a splinter group. Which would be really fun to later see develop if the Rogues appear so Sonic and Jet's rivarly would be a bit deeper.
Speaking of movie lore, I've been thinking about how the movies' version of Gerald creating Shadow will go. Like the part about Black Doom visiting him was be the same. but what about Geralds decision to make Shadow a hedgehog? and where the hell would he have gotten mobian hedgehog DNA from?
So far, I'm thinking he found some warp rings to travel and encounter the mobians, to explain where he got that dna part from. Not only that, but im guessing he'll find some ancient ruins explaining about the ultimate lifeform looking like those guys specifically. Just really excited and hoping they explain that, espically since in the movie universe, since mobians aren't native to earth. There has to be a reason and how he would have aquired that specific genetic material to later combine with black arms.
>>462875 I went to sleep just before the guy decided to have a melty and kill the thread, things were mostly chill, discussing Tails and self-insertion but that obviously pissed him off, what bitch lmao
>>462903 >>462904 I really like this depth given to hope. People will call her the maria stand in but this right here is something I wish was in archie even if she was fine and had her own thing. Ties well with Shadow just wanting to be himself too instead of being compared to another. I love it
>>462901 Bates really said, "Gonna make you all look at her bunny feet whether you like it or not!" >>462900 Let me guess, that one guy with a hate boner for Sonic was there
https://www.deviantart.com/sallysacorn/art/Sally-sketch-WIP-1029065707 >see this Hey, not bad, quite a beautiful lineart with an unique style and take on Sally >click to look at the rest of the artist's gallery >it's nothing but AI generated art I am confus. What the actual fuck? they said it was done with clip studio paint, but could this lineart also be AI generated? I don't think so. And the style is so different than all the stuff they generate... Maybe I am overthinking this, but I think it doesn't do the artist any service to drown their own art under a flood of generic AI looking image.
>>462898 This reminds me of a fanfiction idea I had, where the designation "Ultimate Lifeform" project had been a thing every major civilization in Sonic's world has attempted, but every time it ends up wiping out their society. The Echidna's made Chaos, the Babylonians Ifrit, humanity made Shadow, the Ancients made The End... etc
>>462906 >maria stand in Which will always be funny because she appeared in Archie months before Sonic Adventure 2 came out. You could say Maria was made first since games take years to make but Archie beat Sega to the punch, likely not knowing about Maria. And I do like anything that talks about the Robotnik family.
>>462916 Hope being an echo Maria in looks adds to her. Shadow feeling conflicted seeing someone that reminds him of his dead sister. And Hope being compared to Maria.
>>462918 The only notable "tailsfag" I see on /co/ is the schizo that would occasionally spam Tails /ss/ porn in the Unofficial threads. And then there's the times he would pretend to be a tailsfag and argue with people and then get them banned. If he doesn't make a Tails thread then he'll be the one that turns it to shit.
>>462917 >>462920 I could help and turn the Tails thread into something good like the last time I did it with the Prime/Tails thread that lasted for days. But I'm feeling lazy at the moment, and it takes a bit of work to create engagement. Not wanting to babysit a thread right now. Maybe if is still up when I wake up from my nap.
I wonder if the Surge feet thing is a new schizo tactic or just someone else causing trouble. I usually wait until new behavior transitions into the usual schizo routine.
>>462917 I'm pretty sure the schizo already realized that bringing up Tails is the golden bait, because there are a few people that will always bite. The people writing essays about Tails porn in random /co/ threads and him deserve each other.
>>462900 >things were mostly chill, discussing Tails and self-insertion So you write a bunch of essays malding over Tailsfags who drew Tails with Sally, and expect noone to shittalk you back, including the schizo? I’m counting the years until you realise the schizo doesn’t argue with themself, it’s always just one of you Sonicfags being so pathetic with your whiney essays that you basically invite him over
>>462929 Lmao why you on the defense force for an annoying asshole? He’ll come into a Sonic thread regardless to shit it up regardless, besides it’s an easy thing to talk about anyway since it’s such an exclusive phenomena to them and it’s not like it wasn’t irrelevant since was a thread about his mother while he started seething at Sonic/Sonic fans pointlessly
>>462932 Drawing porn is not an exclusive phenomena to anyone, and writing essays gossiping about Tailsfags obviously will shit up a thread because you’re stirring the pot over something so petty. You’ve complained again and again about tails and sally porn well enough already. If you keep doing it then you’re just as guilty for shitting up threads while seething about Tails/Tails fans
>>462933 I didn’t even write essays, I just joked about it when he brings up Sonicfans like clockwork, wanna get mad at anyone do it the rest of the dead thread latching onto the topic or him bringing up raped animals as a cheap gotcha, i’ve not even complained about that thing in detail for a year
>>462929 lol, no, didn't even mention Sally. Mostly talking about my POV because, and here's the big irony, I AM a Tailsfag and wanted to throw my two cents lmao
>>462936 Just want to say sorry if seems like lump you in with the crazies or weirdo’s, Tails is an understandable character to like, latch onto or just plain adore. I like him a fair bit even if he isn’t one of my all time fave characters
>>462943 https://knuckleschaotix.net/fom.htm It's a series of 3 games, this is the third one. The link on the site might not work so try this one if that happens. https://litter.catbox.moe/4iksxp.7z
Knuckles and the Chaotix Issue 1 Page 2 https://mobiuscomics.com/knuckles
Knuckles is not just a guardian but also a sort of a local superhero. Like Batman but not exactly a rich genius with limitless resources. But he does have a cave! And what’s that mother kangaroo talking about? More on that later. Anyway, looks like there’s trouble!
>>462591 https://www.deviantart.com/princessgalaxia9/ Amy's Family - Ch 2 - Pg 28 I think is more or less meant to be set in the Archie universe, with a few elements from other continuities, so Sally having her blade means that the Mecha-Sally arc actually happened in the past of this fancomic. That or she just got some build for her at some point.
I'll mention it in the next thread but I grabbed the unfinished Sonic Universe issue that reveals Bunnie's origin. The last thread has a lot of unfinished stuff.
https://www.deviantart.com/kimurazmv/art/Una-foto-con-recuerdos-1029825140 Crazy ship, literally, and yet I would love to see it work. Although Boom Shadow is an edgy bastard that tried to destroy the world out of spite. >>462956 >Hmm I always thought that Locke was a single child Hmmmmm...
>>462957 >shadows entire existence is an entire conspiracy >they never do anything with that of sticks reacting to him How do you miss potential that obvious
In the end the schizo didn't do much. The thread is finally getting close to hitting bump limit when threads have done that in the same amount of time without him.
I need to start figuring out how to do the Unofficial Archie threads. Starting with ASO is a given but how many issues per thread? How many people will show up? The only thing I worry about is a thread not hitting bump limit before the next day.
>>462972 For real, other anon said it. People with legit criticisms get drowned out by the retard's shitflinging.A huge falseflag or blind rage. That's the worst part of everything, he just poisons the conversation and wastes posts
>>462976 I'd say do the 3 Endangered species at once, with maybe issue Sonic #243 beforehand for a good refresh, and see how the thread turn out after what to evaluate thing.
You can do the same again for ASO #248 to #250 for the next thread, with a start with Sonic #247 to maintain the story cohesion.
Problem come with the next 4 issues, as ASO #254 isn't done yet and probably won't by the time you get there. But as ASO #253 kinda serve as a sort of final, maybe 3 issues will enough on their own to fill the thread with the conversation.
After that, there are the 3 Universe issues wit the Bunnie arc, but you can conclude with the Sonic underground to pad things out afterwards.
>>462965 Shit, I really need to organize the remaining incomplete comics I found >>462969 I wonder if he'll miss our threads? I plan on doing the occasional fancomic over there, but timing it for when he's asleep >>462976 I'm happy to fill up the end of the thread >>462984 It's up on the website now! I really need to move hosts since I hit the file limit again
>>462985 This is what I have for the last thread. The incomplete Genesis of a Hero issue is with the others a couple threads earlier. And the Chaotix arc is between those.
made the mistake of visting st*g after telling myself to not do it. OOF, I think I really wont go back ever again for real well until I inevitably give in again but i'm making it way longer this time. a REALLY REALLY long time.
>>462980 On the other hand, I'd almost wish to make things last a little longer, with only two issues per threads, but the risk is that the threads don't prune fast enough, if the mods still have those huge sticks in their butts.
But as TP propose to do some filling there... >>462985
>>462998 https://www.deviantart.com/thefunnipixelman/art/Endurance-1030021167 I see why that was made. Of course the chubby artists inspire each other. >>462997 >>463000 RIP >>462999 I'll probably start with 4 or so issues. See how many stick around.
So I was thinking about character heights and did some calculations. Using the WHO's median height for males, I worked out that (assuming Sonic and Knuckles are 15 and 16), Sonic would grow from 100cm to 104cm and Knuckles from 110cm to 112cm. Tails would grow from 80cm to 111cm, 102cm, or 95cm depending on whether you think he's 8, 10, or 12 years old. Interestingly, if we look at Classic Sonic's height (76.5cm) in relation to Modern's, we can work out that he's actually 8.5 years old. Of course, Mobians probably don't grow at the same rates as Humans. Vanilla and Cream are 130cm and 70cm, so going by the height data, Cream should be 2.5 instead of 6 years old assuming she reaches her mother's height >>463009 >>463004 Hey, they're stealing my eyeliner jokes!
>>463012 Only in Hot Chick Heaven! >Numero Ocho. Cream the Rabbit's mother, Vanilla. She's attractive and the size of an average human mother. What really surprises me about her is that the leader of Team Chaotix, Vector the Crocodile, falls in love with her. Kinda silly, don't you think? She's another character that doesn't do much, but in a season 3 episode of Sonic X, she helps Chris Thorndyke get into space to fight the Metarex along with Sonic and friends. In the Sonic X eyecatcher cards, she's listed as 130cm and is only around a head taller than Chris
>>463011 Those are just median growths, it's completely possible for some kid to look short until they are 15-16 and then get a growth spurt before they hit 18, one guy in my school was like that. Complete midget for almost the entire time, then by the last year he was as tall as everyone else.
>>463018 Anon, haven't you read the previous page? We need this essential backstory so that we can learn why Nicole is dressed the way she is. The story can't move forward until that has been established.
>>463021 The can’t post pics in incognito change was odd, annoying but can sorta be explained why, this one seems like nothing but negative consequences for any threads
>>463025 If it's the entire website then I wonder what brought it on. The moderation is so weird. Words are filtered and yet the n-word, the one that's actually a bannable offense, is perfectly fine. But after learning about the guy running the site, I shouldn't be surprised. Maybe it's to mask the dropping poster numbers and encourage samefagging.
>>463014 Yeah, personally I see Sonic and Knuckles growing more than that. I'll have to look for more data on growth spurts. That said, Rouge is 18 and only 105cm to Vanilla's 130cm and Big's/Vector's 180cm so there's a massive variation in adult heights for Mobians >>463019 When are they going to get to the fireworks factory? ;_; >>463020 Noooo, I need them to calculate thread engagement! >>463023 >TFW our thread archives are the last place on the Internet with IP counts >>463025 >please understand, I and the other mods are too busy having ERP sessions where we pretend to be women since women won't talk to us >>463026 >The moderation is so weird. It's like they want to make it feel like the Wild West, but then run it like a petty dictatorship >>463027 >we must protect samefags Our special friend must have gotten really, really, good at sucking off the mods! >>463028 >Fuck Abib Honestly, the site would improve massively if he did get laid
>>463025 You know, I was still not too keen about moving the storytime here(I'm still not), I always preferred this place here being the backroom of the story-time thread.
but with shit like that and how they are handling the reaction to it, I am growing warmer to it.
>>463030 I'm just happy this place has been welcoming to us. I do hope we get our own board soon though >>463031 My bet's on a daily image limit or lower file sizes for non-pass users. Gotta drive down engagement!
>>463034 Let's be honest, the (you) were always controversial. Before, them, posters had to actually pay attention to all the replies to see if one was actually addressed to them.
May just be me but it seems Sally and Sonic didnt have that many real interactions in reboot. On one hand, dont wanna be selfish for them to JUST talk to each other as character interactions are important, but i really do miss when they interact. its cute