I've updated the board frontend to the latest work in progress version. This is a total rewrite that purges nearly all old code, which is why it took so long to make. It does not yet have everything I want to add, but it is already five times more powerful than the old site and makes the place so much easier to use. With this update, we are closer to parity with other imageboards out there, both in features, and in site layout, but we are not there yet.
About the new quick reply: - fixed positioning, and on desktops you can drag it around. - "currently posting" status and file upload progress are shown. - warns you if you close the quick reply with a post written inside. - counts down until you can make your next post. You can queue your next post during the countdown. This makes it easier to make image dumps without running into flood detection errors. - quoted posts get highlighted while you are posting. - keyboard shortcuts added for Spoiler, (ctrl+s), Bold (ctrl+b), Italic (ctrl+i), and Underlined (ctrl+u) text. Also, ESC will close the quick reply. More shortcut suggestions are welcome. - always shows name fields if you use a name; automatically hides the name fields if you post anonymously (it was the other way around previously, and as a result posters tended to forget about resetting their names, usually when using the name field as a makeshift thread subject). - speaking of which - after a long absence, the subject field is back.
Theme changes: - retired the Ghost theme (it was terrible, really). - Greygreen theme re-added from the old boards. - Buri and Futaba tweaked a bit to look closer to the classic Kusaba and Kusaba X versions. - Babby removed (it was pointless) - new template: Plus4, based on our static pages. - new template: Heroes, based on Heroes of Might & Magic III. If you find any issues with the templates, please post them here.
Now that the new code is live, I'll be able to add new stuff more frequently. So expect more frequent updates from now on.
Please report any bugs here, so I can fix them as soon as possible.
I'd also like to ask you to post any suggestions or additions you would like to see on the site. Lastly, please use the site as much as you can! And please, spread the word: plus4chan is alive.
Well, enjoy the new board, and let's hope I did not leave any critical bugs in there.
>>419866 I checked Pale Moon. It needed an about:config tweak to enable file dropping, it was identified as Internet Explorer 11 in online feature tests, and it could not understand ssl certificates. So plus4chan, as well as every other webpage (including its default search engine), gave errors. Feature support wise it was about five years behind modern browsers. You should consider getting an alternate support because this is just dumb.
>it tells me my browser does not support drag-n-drop feature. Bull fucking shit.
It's a bit more complex than that. Since I used the Drag & Drop API, I had to copy over the file data from the "drop zone" into the form field. But old browsers, including Pale Moon, do not support updating the "files" property of a form field. I originally put the error popup there so the entire QR box does not get stuck with the file drop overlay when you attempt to drop a file in with IE11.
Either way, I made a workaround (all file fields operations now use a virtual filelist property which is copied over into the ajax form field on submission), and it seems to work. As a side effect it also works on Internet Explorer now.
On the old code there was a file upload field hidden with 0% opacity. You can natively drag into normal upload fields, but only on SOME browsers. It's also why it had no styling applied whatsoever, because it was a trick.
Oh, and I will keep using Palemoon no matter what. Freedom isn't free, and if using an """outdated""" browser is what it takes to give the middle finger to Microsoft, Google, and Mozilla, I'll keep on dragging my cross.
>>419872 >and if using an """outdated""" browser is what it takes to give the middle finger to Microsoft, Google, and Mozilla, I'll keep on dragging my cross. If you're not blocking certain JS and if you're not using a high-quality proxy or TBB master race then I feel that middle finger is in vain.
For those who aren't techies: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/browsers.html + a grain of salt.
>>419908 I checked, surprisingly they are still developing and updating. They just aren't modern. That isn't their goal. (Which one died? I must be confusing it with IceWeasel or WaterFox...)
To a large degree I believe in security through minimalism, but if you are running something that old for browsing, it will break functionality. It's a trade-off and devs are rarely interested in maintaining access to the one or two people who demand backwards support.
>>419872 I'm been using Pale Moon and Seamonkey, the latter partly because I have noscript and RequestPolicy on Pale Moon and some stuff doesn't work well with that even if you enable all permissions for it.
>>419947 Removed. While I'm at it, some notes on the janitorial interfaces:
Pressing the delete button from the koba panel still does nothing, you still have to go to the thread to remove a post.
Janitoring does not work on mobile. There's no way to bring up the menu for the link to the reports page, possibly because nothing counts as hovering the mouse when you're using a touch screen interface. And for some reason, when you go to delete something, Safari renders the CSS layer that dims the rest of the page on top of the pop-up control, making it impossible to interact with.
>>419948 >Pressing the delete button from the koba panel still does nothing, you still have to go to the thread to remove a post.
Can you elaborate on this? There's a bunch of different menus where you can get to that button. I know that it works when you delete a post while doing a ban, and when you just use the mod view and go to delete post from there, it drops you into the same page that loads when you'd click delete inside a thread anyway. Both work on my end.
>Janitoring does not work on mobile. There's no way to bring up the menu for the link to the reports page, possibly because nothing counts as hovering the mouse when you're using a touch screen interface. I'll do an ugly workaround (it's already up on the beta site). Note that the koba panel is in nothing short of a catastrophic state, and much of the code is unreadably archaic. If you know any other older bugs, please tell me, chances are you've been using it for longer than I did.
>when you go to delete something, Safari renders the CSS layer that dims the rest of the page on top of the pop-up control, making it impossible to interact with. This seems to be a z-index bug with OP posts, probably due to how I set up the "post a reply" sticky button on mobiles. I'll look into it.
Minor bug: Highlighting text, dragging it and releasing inside the quick reply results in a permanent Drop File Here overlay. Can be done accidentally when highlighting text within quick reply. (Windows, Firefox)
- fixed file dropper in the Quick Reply triggering when non-files are dragged over it - fixed error message when uploading mp3s with Chrome (it listed mp3 as audio/mp3 instead of audio/mpeg and the board checked the mime type only) - tweaked the mobile view a bit, it now uses a centered thumb without wraparound text, and the fonts are a tiny bit larger. OP post no longer gets covered by the delete/report overlay (I'll need to redo those buttons complete because they are too small to be useful on mobiles). - tweaked the loading icon a little - added hover effect for viewing off-screen post quotes. Also works with inter-thread and inter-board quotes, with some mandatory loading. Note that while it is loading, you can't open an inline reference (it's the same process). - other minor bug fixes, mostly in the css
If you got stuck with the Heroes theme from April 1st, remember that we have the style switchers on the bottom, press Default to return to whatever style the board originally uses.
>>420015 I knew it had some bugs left, thanks for reporting. Luckily there's a way to check what type of content you are dragging, so it was possible to fix it easily.
>>420131 Unfortunately I can't reproduce that issue.
It's possible it happens because your cookies are full. The old board code saved so much stuff in there, that it sometimes ran out of space (cookies only allow less than 4k of data). I'll do a mandatory delete on those if found.
>>420133 >>420134 all boards have their own individual styles, so if you want to see the Heroes style everywhere, you have to enable it once on all boards. This has been the case in the old design, and I kept it like that so there's a visible indication between blue and red boards, for at least as long as on the first visit.
If you had problems in the old design, with hidden threads not saving, then your cookies were definitely full. Someone mentioned that problem once, not sure if it was you. The old design used cookies to save hidden threads too and it ran out of space faster (I switched that to use localStorage since it always requires scripting anyway).
- fixed inline quotes, when opened, not having the proper color on all text. - slightly tweaked link colors on futaba theme. It may get reverted, I'm not sure... - for popups, clicking the overlay will now close them (after the close button appears). - quick reply can be now closed while it is submitting a post. This is to prevent the window becoming stuck in case a post takes too long to submit. However, note that the post will still proceed with submission regardless, so if you don't let the quick reply auto close, and attempt to make another post, you may get flood check errors. This will need a more robust solution in the future, but for now, we don't have so much traffic that it should matter. - fixed a bug where posts may get multiple hide/show icons. - fixed greygreen theme missing hover color on the "view omitted responses" link. - tweaked loading state on post references, so they don't force text reflow by changing the length of the reference. This doesn't apply to the replies list on the top of each post, but as far as I know there's no way those could link to anything that needs to be fetched with ajax (or is there?). - the "message too long" got the same treatment. - added missing box-shadow to the "reply to thread" boxes on the board index, making them have the same style as posts. - style switcher will now leave less junk in the cookies: if you use the default style of any board, it does not need to save it to cookie, and so it won't. - when Quick Reply is opened, it will check the screen boundaries to make sure it does not spawn off screen. This check runs whenever you call the QR window, so doing as much as clicking any "reply" button will pull it into focus if it went off screen due to a screen resize.
I need to add a proper Settings page and fix the mobile view, but I have no concept on how either should look.
>>420194 Somewhat ironic, considering that I'm currently working on refactoring the code that handles bans.
Additionally, to any active mods/janitors: please send me your email contacts (post it on the janitor board), I want to add them to the system so I can contact you. Also I may set up something like automatic email notifications for incoming reports.
>>420293 And would you be shocked if suddenly 4chan started deleting this too? Given that only /b/ allows it, and that the "zomg none" applies to moderators too, they can just silently nuke everything they don't like without it being "official".
Hot take: loli is this super controversial thing, but also an indicator. Those who stand by people's right to post it are the vanguard of free speech, those who don't stand by it, are at risk of being completely taken over by bootlickers.
>>420304 I've stopped checking drawthreads completely on 4chan since they have 240 reposts and 10 posts divided between new requests and deliveries. Pretty much the only way you can use them is to post, subscribe to the thread, and look on the thread watcher if you got any replies or not.
/aco/ moderation has always been a joke, the only thing the janitors moderate is whether their waifus are posted or not. I've seen a ton of loli, bestiality, or anime posts on /aco/, since none of the threads were moderated except the drawthreads.
>>420291 >Some sperg @ 4chan said loli and shota will be banned What do you mean? >banned in US law IANAL, varies regularly/geographically or something >banned on 4chan Pretty sure it already was, just inconsistently enforced at staffs discretion. Possible /b/ exception but probably just intentionally poor enforcement. >banned on 8kun That is the news, I believe it is officially 'banned' now. Certain boards have moved to bunkers as a result.
>>420299 >4chan is a honeypot and 8chan is getting shitcanned Close, but wrong. 4chan is bloated and trying to become commercially viable (hence Hiro ownership, 4chan passes for voting saga, malware ads saga, 4channel, etc etc) combined with post-2016 election blunt force trauma. 8kun is recovering from the shitfest that /pol/ + media has inflicted on the entire site, combined with Jim's long-term efforts to monetize the site. Combine that with an admin focus on becoming a right-wing news site for Qoomers. The ban was (accourding to a staff member) in response to lawyers saying precedence determines it is illegal and another reason the site could be taken down. 8chan/kun was getting shitcanned but that is not relevant.
>>420300 It's a decent litmus test for someone's motivation to defend something they personally dislike, because there are (certainly contested but nevertheless) reasonable claims it is victimless yet highly obscene and even revolting. It is also socially unaccepted. Speaking of which, I've seen an anon come bitching on imageboards about how they got shadowbanned on voat and gab for 'telling the TRUTH'. If that person wasn't insane they would have learned those sites use 'free speech' as a bait for 'taboo/ultranationalist speech' (as in, they independently proved themself insane in their replies. I'm not extrapolating that from their choice in sites)
The 2016 election "trauma" was a symptom, not the cause. 4chan has gradually implemented many changes in the past decade, that encouraged a wholly different kind of content. The site is now 100% archived, tracked, active threads last up to weeks, "general" threads are now encouraged, hiveminded posts get deleted in order to make the site look more "presentable". Unfortunately this also allows for infiltration and manipulation.
For example back in '08 or so, on /g/, nvidia was considered a laughing stock due to demoing a card that was literally a block of wood screwed together and had a sawed-off random PCB on its back. Every thread you mentioned them, you got the woodscrews housefire replies. Today, when a company does a blunder of the same proportions, threads mentioning it are removed by janitors due to being low quality. But half baked posts about how great their product is, those can stay because they are well written, "high quality" general discussion threads.
4chan, due to its rules, now encourages shill posting. This leads to getting infiltrated, either by commercial interests or political ones. And with the entire fucking internet imploding into public disobedience mouth karate because Trump got elected, 4chan now suffers from the same type of manipulation, and getting the same stupid shit content.
If the site was still as fast and crazy as it used to be, even /pol/ wouldn't be able to exist to begin with, because by the time I write a post this long, the thread would have already gotten purged. Of course then you couldn't efficiently moderate it for adult content, or for mass nude leaks or shit like that either, and advertisers would balk at the site.
Speaking of which, what happened to stuff like j-list ads? They were hilarious, and you could leave 4chan running without adblocks because the ads actually looked great.
- On attached images, data-hash was changed to base64 encoded data-md5, to keep it more in line with other imageboards. - hide/show icons were not added to newly made posts (they aren't too useful there, but it's to keep a consistent look) - spoilered text is now properly inline when used in text, they do not break into new lines. - opened inline references too. - Quick Reply stays open if there was a posting error - it no longer eats your post by closing. - Quick Reply won't empty if you press ESC and hit cancel (IE only behavior for textarea). - Report and Delete boxes do not have the move-all cursor on the title. - Report and Delete box positioning tweaked so they do not push the Replies field around, forcing a repaint. - Report and Delete boxes can be closed by pressing ESC or clicking the overlay. Clicking the post does not close the box. Note that while you can highlight the post in this state, you cannot click on it, as this could launch actions that would interfere with the report/delete boxes. - SWF Flash files should now show up when you open the file browser. This will still need a future fix to respect per-board file allowances.
Earlier this month I started rewriting the code that handles banning, but things came up and I never finished it, so it's not yet included. Getting that done will be a big step forward in replacing and documenting legacy code.
I wish I could get ahold of the original coder of this board software, but I couldn't find any contacts for him, only a tumblr that was mostly reblogs and hasn't been active since 2019 and doesn't accept messages, so it's probably about to get purged.
>>420365 Oh you mean manga translations, I thought european comics and the like.
And yeah, I know which ads you mean - the ones with sensationalist titles and downright disgusting images. I used to read 4chan at work all the time, but ever since Hiro fucked it up, I do not dare to. Reading the site is one thing, getting the machines infected is quite another. Remember that time when they had bitcoin miners on the site, and if you adblocked them, the site stopped working (the scripts deleted all images/stylesheets)?
update: - fixed a bug where the Quick Reply failed to attach a file, if the same file was previously attached and then removed. It only affected some browsers... - the Quick Reply now warns if you try to upload a file that already exists in the thread. It only works on images which are currently visible, so replying on a board index will usually not trigger this - you need to have the thread open for the best results.
I put that last one together rather hastily, let's hope it does not broke anything. It may make it slower to attach a file, but I hope not by much...
>>420433 oh, I think I know what's happening then. When you report a post, the post is then set to hidden. Then, the post gets deleted, and when a new post is made, the ID gets re-used - and your browser still has it stored as hidden.
I'll change it tonight so the post report does not hide posts as a temporary fix.
>>420460 I run so many backups nowadays that I don't even know what tool I used for recovering deleted files... I think it was O&O Unerase, but it's a very old version. It's not 100% reliable either, I only use it for quick checks if necessary. But I've used the built-in Windows "old file versions" tool much more recently. Of course, that assumes that you have it set up in a way that makes recovery possible.
>>420460 >corrupted Ask /g/ first but I'd stop using immediately and consider trying a chkdsk to see if it's recoverable. The more you use a system, the more chance a deleted item (marked as 'free space') is overwritten. Is the issue that you stored them in the recycle bin and can't access the bin anymore? Of course, if there wasn't original content then you might as well just redownload it. >tfw lost hundreds of original drawings and the site was partially archived but all of those drawings are absent from the archive
>>420462 using chkdsk will also likely overwrite any recoverable files, in fact even more so. The question is, how did you lose files due to a recycle bin corruption? Did you use the recycle bin as storage or what?
You can try going to the folder the files were in and checking for older versions of that folder, in Windows 10 you just right click on the folder, select properties, and check the older versions tab. If you had proper backing up set in Win 10, that should suffice.
Otherwise do a full sector scan with Recuva, and restore all those vague files (onto a separate drive, so you don't overwrite any of the content you are recovering), and you'll need to sort them out one by one. It will be "hella vague" because it will only be able to restore the data, not thing things like file names or dates.
>>420512 Just hide those threads? It's inevitable that there will be posts made that you don't agree with, but I'm not gonna start moderating stuff on the grounds of "I don't like it" (not unless it turns into mass spam).
>>420565 I found that the best way to get something hated and immediately removed on sight on 4chan is to spam it obnoxiously, to the point that even people who legit like that topic will get banned for posting it. Seen it happen on /g/ before.
The wrapper spacing was modified a bit on tablet portrait view to be 100% wide, because it wasted too much screen space when you opened up an image wider than the wrapper.
The non-desktop quick reply was modified to have the NSFW/Spoiler icons on the left side. This way you won't have a chance of accidentally hitting the Close or Submit buttons when just trying to toggle one of the other icons, especially on mobiles. I'm not entirely happy with how it looks now, but it's more user friendly. Perhaps it would be better if all the other fields were 100% wide and only the textarea bit was not. Or I could move them to be full icon labels like on desktop, what do you guys think?
>>420787 What exactly do you mean? It has not changed in size or content. It queries the latest 7 or so posts from SFW boards and displays an excerpt of the content. I'm guessing you mean that it has less text on it, but that's normal if the latest posts are image only, since the image is not shown, and image-only posts have no excerpts.
Perhaps putting thumbnails there would be good but I want to avoid porn spam accidentally turning up on the front page.
This would happen if someone had some empty text selected, then hit the "post reply" and submit it. But often it's a post with nothing but a post number quote, implying that whatever made it, hit either the large Reply button on the post, or the post number itself, since both trigger the reply form and put the reply quote there. That, or they go to the linked post (which automatically has the QR open with a quote prepared), and then they trigger the QR form. It's unlikely to be random users bumping, since these all come from unique IPs and often in threads that can't even get bumped (which is why most likely nobody noticed them before, that and I delete them frequently).
I have no idea what kind of bot behavior this is, it does not look like targeted spamming, more like a byproduct of page crawling. Maybe bots are set up to send any forms that get automatically focused, in an attempt to bypass some type of ad popups?
>>420903 Not Twister, but I didn't notice it got removed. If you can go into your browser's cookie and data manager and search for plus4, you can delete those (be sure that you hit only plus4chan and for all time). I think the cache would be what's causing it, maybe a cookie but I doubt it. Either way, deleting the locally stored site data for plus4 will do the trick. Potential side effects may be passwords for posts may be gone, or if you are staff you'll have to log in again, can't think of anything else.
>>420938 I'd gladly add a /h/ board, but right now barely anyone is using /jam/ to begin with. There's a NSFW tag to use if you want to discuss porn explicitly there, and if it is popular, it can get its own board.
Crossovers are, due to their nature, fine on either board they are related to. For ex. /pco/ allows for eastern artists drawing western content, or western artists drawing anime porn.
>>421024 A few things to know about this place: 0) What Twister said, 1) Your phrasing makes it sound like you were told this place is new, or possibly an 8chan sequel. It's certainly not: 8chan was founded in 2013, plus4chan has been here since 2006 (see the homepage for a nice intro). 2) Which boards did you use? If it was mainly hobby or content boards, you should be fine. If you were there for politics, you may need to adjust a little (as the old 4chan saying goes, "/co/ is love". There is a reason we only have one politics thread). If you were there for fast-paced action, you will also have to adjust; many boards have a few posts a month or less (but as a /comfy/ poster, that may be alright with you). 3) We used to be faster until 4chan and 8chan made /pco/ equivalents and most of the oldfags grew up.
Which one looks better, the traditional layout of having subject/name at the beginning and postnumber later, or the one we use with the post number first? I kind of like having the postnumber first because then the reply link is always in the same leftmost column, but every other imageboard puts it on the end. I guess "check'em" images don't work with the postnumber at the start either.
I'm inclined to swap it around, for the desktop view. What do you guys think?
There's something wrong with the website, there's Warning text at the top of the page
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update: - #heroes in the name field will format your message in a Heroes of Might & Magic III style box. - subjects will now show up in the HTML Title on worksafe boards. This is intended to improve search engine hits. - when making a new thread, subject field will always show in quick reply, regardless if poster info is toggled or not - removed unnecesary padding on the left side of post report/delete forms in tablet/mobile mode - inline references for other boards had wrong font color - on touch devices, "clicking" a postnumber reference will not open the post preview as if it was a hover state (this may not work on all mobile/tablet devices due to touch detection being unreliable) - loading spinner for postnumber reference will only appear when the number is on hover, not permanently until it finishes loading - Quick Reply drag-and-drop indicator (when you drag a file over the QR box) was too wide on tablet view - Quick Reply padding lowered on mobile devices to make it a bit more compact - expanding a truncated post with the post image open will no longer remove the opened image/webm - data-md5 field was moved from the image link to the image thumbnail, since sometimes the image is not linked, and also since other imageboards have it there too - when deleting a post, any replies listed in other posts should be removed too - when deleting the OP, the entire thread will be removed from the active view, not just the OP - fixed a bug in thread rendering where OP was not always the first post in thread (it happened when a post from an older thread was moved into a newer thread)
There was a bug in the file hash check which I fixed tonight. It affected the quick reply box alerting you that a file was already uploaded (when you select a file). So this should work again.
The style switcher seems to have a bug where it sometimes refuses to select the proper stylesheet, but only if you have never used it before on a board. It's difficult to reproduce so I haven't managed to fix it yet. If you have problems switching styles, please alternate between the default and your choice of stylesheet until it works.
I renewed the plus4chan domain just in case, we should be set until 2021 December. Most of this is still thanks to the funds left by anonymoose. I'll be handling payments solo after that.
To help with that, I put a donation bitcoin link in the footer (address: 1DbS2dq2geye6rhcMmTfybTqsfH1z2tATZ)... I don't expect to get much if any funds from that, but you never know. All donations will be spent on hosting as far in advance as our host allows, and any surplus funds still remaining will be used to further our world domination plans.
>>422019 It definitely exists, maybe you are just using the wrong password? I made no changes to the janitors.
However maritova and Mr. Stone seem to have locked themselves out by editing their usernames... I have no idea if that was intentional or not, but I just set their usernames back. The passwords should be untouched. Half of our mods/janitors haven't logged in since 2015, some since 2014. I guess they didn't like the design that secret put together...
There are common keywords in their posts, I recommend them as filters. A regex for the short url formats they all use shouldn't hit any false positives. Shortened links are sus anyway. That's my recommended solution.
>>423272 I'm open to suggestions, the reason I'm not using phrase bans on them is because there's too high of a chance it'll produce a hit on other content too - even just for the tiny urls. Also the current ban system does not support warnings (ie. a "your post looks like spam, rephrase it first" message that blocks the post to get through), only bans.
>>423274 I recall this bot having the same blocks of text it uses with different URLs. They are multiple-line phrases that could never be said in good faith. If that doesn't work I think the shortened url detection is the safest automatic filter you can feasibly do. I don't recall ever seeing one posted on this site in good faith. Otherwise, it seems like manual deletion is the only solution without notable risk of false positives.
>>423712 What you see getting through is less than 1% of the spam we are actually getting. I want to add some extra antispam measures, but I have concerns that doing so would cause issues for genuine posters too.
Also we'd need more janitors to clean up the stuff that actually gets through.
Sorry for the previous downtime, there was a redirect issue that did not happen on the test servers, so I couldn't catch it before updating.
New features: - there's a thread updater now, for now it is manual so you have to click on it. You can drag the navigator around on the desktop. This was on my todo list for the longest time, but it was not a priority because the site is pretty slow. However the people on /tnt/ asked for it, so I got it done in the weekend (it required some backend changes that took some time to debug). Please keep in mind that plus4chan does not get many posts, so you won't need to use it often.
There has been also a ton of backend changes and tweaks in the mean time, hopefully it does not break anything. If you get any bugs, please empty your browser cache and try again, if it still happens, report it here.
The updater only works when in threads by the way, if you are in the index you can't update, and if you make a post it'll only show your own post, not any that got made before it.
Inside threads, making a post automatically fires the updater, so you'll see any new posts made since your own one too (another old problem I wanted to fix, but couldn't as posting was really slow so it did not affect anything much).
>>424305 It worked in Chrome at least up to version 73.0, which was when I last tested it, and they broke it some point later. It's notable that the problem did not happen in anything else, down to at least Internet Explorer 10.