/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

Repostan: Are any winners at risk of being delegitimized at this point? Just the ones after Zorak, right? Since the forums were open up until his win?

>TFW any character who lost a round or didn't qualify or anything else can now just blame NSA for rigging them out

>>78866
Wouldn’t it be funny if NSA rigged the 2022 bracket so Duck Match would happen early?

>>78870
This wouldn't even be the worst thing NSA has done at this point.

Does anyone have a greentext or an image that can be posted to share everything we've uncovered in the last thread? We're gonna need it.

>>78871
The first thread of Ms. /co/ 2024 has the potential to be even worse than the Spinel reveal thread. Maybe people will finally forgive her.

I'd like this thread not to be as much of a downer, so here's a quick summary for people who missed last one.

>People further inspected Erikafag's claims about an anon with a DeviantArt account called "OnlyFansart" being the one responsible for the Amaterasu muzzle art towards the end of Queen of /v/.
>Someone then shared a Discord username shared during one of the Magma sessions that was quickly linked to be one used by NightShift based on previously shared contacts.
>This already was a concern since it all but said that he had been campaigning actively on the side of hosting, bringing up trust issues.
>People point out how one of his panels he drew on the Magma had Black Hat and Zim on it.
>A connection to OFA is made, and people go nuts.

>Someone points out that one time NSA drew his OC and claims how the line art style is very similar to one piece of art featuring Black Hat.
>A person notices how the two win screens for Fang with the asterisks included were posted at the same time, and another noticed that one was traced off the other. Suspicions grow that NSA made both.
>If the art style wasn't enough, someone all but confirms that OFA made the muzzle art due to its font (an uncommon one) being the same as some of Black Hat's art.
>Other art using the font is found, including a couple of Wesker pieces. Erikafag's main connections are mostly confirmed.
>Two pieces featuring the same font and even the brush style of one Black Hat art were about pinning the asterisk on the three E8 furries in 2022, furthering speculation this was NSA.
>People even point out how every time mapanon seemed to add his own tile, it was one of OFA's mains.
>Someone finds out that NightShift not only tried to share a post supporting Black Hat with his trip, but soon deleted that to share a similar post without his trip. All but confirms how he had been campaigning behind the scenes.
>A Rayman supporter came out of the woodworks to confirm he had conversed with OFA, who seemed oddly defensive over NSA.
>Silveranon outright went through a ton of archived threads to find proof of NSA and OFA not being the same person, to no success.

In short, it's very likely that NSA was OFA and had made spiteart on several occasions to try delegitimizing opinions against how he had been running the tournaments. Now to clarify, there is currently no definitive proof of actual rigging. Speculation has occurred over incidents like Gardevoir/Muffet being left out of E8 over "mistakes" or Goo somehow qualifying last Ms. /co/, but there's not close to concrete proof like the above scenario. There is also more about how all this was discovered, but these are the main bulletpoints.

>NSA once again surpassed Eris as the chief cause of chaos in these tournaments
Do we even need her at this point?

>>78870
Most people would agree it was intentionally since it’s not fully randomized according to them, even at the time the voter opinion was it was intentional given how obvious the most fabled matchup appeared. Not even that controversial of a thing since people wanted it out of the way
The controversy, if there was one and was true, would be if they are intentionally giving Donald very difficult early matches or fucking with his results in response to very heavily beating he gave Black Hat his first year

>>78879
At this point, he may have surpassed Spinel.

>omen gus said next year was the final year for the tournaments
oh no

>>78884
At least the video essay will be interesting.

>>78882
Silverbro, there's no way to contain this information for that long...

>>78882
This is why NSA NEEDS to be sacked before he can host any of the tournaments, if he does our only option will be to reveal it at some point in the middle of a tournament that's in progress and then pray that he'll either resign, get sacked or won't throw a shitfit at the board's mods in an attempt to get the tournaments banned all over the site.

>>78882
At least one anon will spill the beans, it’s not possible to keep everyone’s mouths shut

>>78861
In the most broad strokes, anybody Zorak or prior is going to be very hard to delegitimize for the reason you said. In practice, quite a few get off the hook. Bayonetta, Wesker, and Zim all lost, with only the last one reaching finals. We also still consider Captain America as the formal "runner-up" in the first Mr. /co/ despite the truth about his run. Skeletor outright beat Zim and had no real clear ties to OFA. Only argument against Curly would be salt against Amaterasu for defeating Bayonetta, but considering OFA didn't turn against her until losers' finals (further evidence that NSA and OFA are the same) I find that hard to believe. Garland was just loved by a majority period and would have likely beaten AM anyways considering the sheer margin there. Grimm has no known ties to OFA, and even then there wasn't a clear main for him during that tournament.

In short, it's mainly just Midna and Wuya. Even in Midna's case, it's hard to say considering OFA's first main was GLaDOS. Midna did have two close final matches, but at the same time it is strange they would go so far for a character's that's more a secondary than anything. Wuya is the most suspect due to the surprise of her getting so far, yet it's hard to pick out much evidence of rigging.

In short, I feel in the end people are just going to accept the winners. Could see some continued debate over Midna and especially Wuya, but not enough to revoke their crowns.

Could this have the potential to be one of the biggest controversies in /co/ and /v/ history?

>>78892
It's possible for /co/, although it would depend on NSA's general reaction. If he had a meltdown, it would be way more impactful.

No way it's the most controversial thing off /v/. It's one of the busiest boards on the site and has a ton of history that's dragged in other sites.

>goes from night shift assistant of the best host ever, to upstart takeover, to gradually more disliked asshole, to full blown greatest tourney villain
>the key was a muzzle doodle, leading the busting of a possible mass conspiracy that puts in place all his bizarre and assholish behavior over the years
Good long-term booking.

>>78892
>>78895
Anons, /v/ had the fucking gamegate.

This has been Basil level sleuthing

>>78892
If he has a "melty" and gets the tourneys deleted yes it could be the biggest in /co/.
Unless it seeps into real world politics no, not even close for /v/.

Are there any picks that aren't going to be heavily tarnished because of NightFanAnon's actions?

>>78903
>they/them because he's both nightshiftanon and onlyfansart

>>78906
Explains the rape.

>>78902
Most picks will likely be fine in terms of reception. Only ones who are probably finished are Black Hat, who wouldn't have won anyways, and Goo, whose qualification was dubious in the first place. Wesker might be hit, but that's mainly because one anon that MIGHT have been him bitched hard last year. Left a poor taste on some people's mouths. It does help a lot of his mains are pretty mainstream, so it would take a wider and more direct conspiracy to take them down long-term (see Captain America). The only winners with evident bias post-forms closing are Midna and Wuya, and good luck getting /v/ to turn against the former.

Funnily enough, outside the aforementioned the biggest concern for a few of these is hoping that other artists or campaigners latch behind them once they each return. I think that Zim will be mostly fine (see
>>78907 for example) and GLaDOS was already a strong pick even in relative silence, so it's mainly just Bayonetta. She's going to continue being beloved overall, but there's a reason people pointed out a lot of her art coming from the same anon (who turned out to be OFA). Still, on the converse if she had two close calls without art I'd hardly call her doomed.

>>78828
I remember that. What would NSA have against Rayman?

>>78903
DeviantArt apparently does that by default and could see him not caring to actually update that. Still, considering what's happened with certain picks in the past it is ironic.

>>78913
Rayman just started having a lot of falseflaggers once he made it into E8. Mainly people trying to claim that his Netflix appearence is why people voted for him despite most of his OC not involving it.

So basically the reason he was trying really really hard to push loser's bracket and crown steal was to keep drawing for his picks when they lost, general drawfag/campaigner sympathy, and the possibility of having his pick crown steal if the concept went over well?

>>78913
He’s a furry in the recent show with that naked cow girl

I'm just concerned about the damage this will cause going forward. Tournament threads have been getting crazy over the years and I'm afraid this is going to be the breaking point for a lot.

>OFA made a drawing for my main early in the year because I was in a waifufag thread and he appreciated my autism for her
>Made another drawing for her during Mrs /co/ itself because of the enthusiastic campaign for her
>Turns out he's NSA and also a biased as fuck rigger who's been screwing with the tournaments for years
To think I likely would have commissioned him for more art of her at some point, at least I can still separate art from the artist I suppose.

>>78918
KEK

>>78915
And they ignored the Sparks of Hope DLC and the Rayman 4 leak. I hope Rayman can make a far run again someday because it is such a great series.

>>78922
Funny that Erikafags reputation seemed to flip flop from based sleuth, to agitator retard, to based sleuth again. Her character's kind of grown on me anyways so she's got my vote next QoV.

>>78927
He's one of my top picks for a more cartoony character to win alongside Wario, Eggman, and Mario.

>>78925
I haven't forgotten about his attitude towards Miku and MegURINE Luka. I think he's just an immature ass.

>>78926
Also if your main has threads, is not like your drawings are limited to tournaments. There's also magmas where you can do whatever you want.

>>78917
I feel like he was samefagging about this too. It's been proven he posts anonymously for things he supports, and there was a constant anon really, almost personally mad about the reception crown steal got with the same typing style and arguments. No one "understood" it and /v/ voted on it anyways so we should just take it. Even started blaming Curleyfags.

>>78933
Same here. I don't think he's actually rigged any of the winners or shit like that, but it's very clear he's quick to act petty.

>>78925
Who would've thought a host that actually knows about vidya would still fuck up multiple times while hosting a vidya tournament, seriously there's no excuse for letting the damn dog in if he's versed enough in his picks to campaign for them.

>>78853
New /v/-/co/ team just dropped

>>78937
Yeah. For example I don’t think Jack vs AM was rigged for AM to lose, but the move of having Psyanon announce the results was something he could have done in order to humiliate AM.

>>78943
Much as I wouldn't want the first winner for that to be such a meta pick, it would also be funny enough where I wouldn't mind.

>>78936
that was me, go fuck yourself, faggot.

>>78946
Trip on

So what now? Do we just rely on Balls and the others?

>>78946
Why are you such a flaming homo, nightshift?

>>78948
yeah that's the same response you spit out every time someone disagrees with you. see, i'm even using the same posting style.

>>78949
I also do not regret being vocal about how shit the attempted crown steal and the loser's bracket and grand finals were.

>>78949
Luckily /co/ shut that shit down, at least the full-on double elims concept. Since it was technically voted on as yes during Mr. I don't doubt NSA would just implement the same double elims concept if still in power though.

>>78949
Loser's bracket was pretty good I would say. It gave some early losses more time in the spotlight and I appreciate that. Crown steal was always retarded though.

>>78936
Sheesh, I remember that guy. People kept pointing out how that it wasn't just about how double elimination works, yet they kept falling on that same argument over and over. It was really embarrassing.

>>78950
Balls may not even be conscious right now, but thankfully we have at least two to three trustworthy hosts right now.

>>78950
balls retired, anon.

>>78956
>if still in power though
>He thinks we're gonna let NSA be in charge of anything after the last thread

>>78955
Crownstealsissies.... They're mocking us...

>>78958
>>78960
>>78961
Right, but is it permanent? I thought it was just for the rest of King

>>78962
I mean how would we oust a host? There’s no precedent for any of this

>>78963
i am just looking for le epic meltdown, after all...

>>78964
He seemed to imply it was long-term, saying he felt he had "more time". Guy seemed to leave in a hurry, and he wasn't around much during one of the /co/ tournaments due to apparent health issues. Sounded really grave.

>>78945
So we aren't counting the first /v/-/co/ as canon?

>>78961
no they didn't, they're in my shorts

>>78966
?

>>78969
What even happened with that?

>>78969
I don't know. Technically it happened but it was kind of sloppy, had zero hype, and had like 20-30 voters. I'm a tourney autists and I didn't even know it was going on. It was basically Temp's test tourney.

>>78971
you may know what that means if you paid attention to the grand finals. then again, this is a /co/ thread. sorry.

>>78969
We shouldn't, it was so small and not well organized.

>>78971
That was a line repeated a lot by one anon.

>>78972
It was just a test tournament by Temp to prove he was capable of hosting, the test was terrible and he even missed the times to close the polls. The winners were Charlie Magne and Doomguy but like I said since it was a test tournament with barely 20 voters it shouldn't count.

>ballsanon was like the second in command
>onlyfansart deviantart has they/them as pronouns
>balls suddenly had to go

>>78978
>Temp
That's all I needed to hear, thanks.

>>78981
>hen we'll just make sure the quality of his threads reflects his quality as a host
He would just ignore it like he has. He's always been bullheaded about his decisions. The entirety of the last ms. /co/ was rife with meta arguments after his email and anti-rigging measures and he... just makes 3AM page 10 announcements that he's polling a loser's bracket.

Guys, Battler jobbed again.
Battler
>gave into the illusion of NightShiftAnon's tournaments in hopes of getting a pity win out of it by becoming the face of the Loser's Bracket and still got cucked out of his crown steal
Erika
>set off the events to finally bring down NightShiftAnon after years of ruining tournaments and lead us to discover the biggest tournament conspiracy ever all by accident because a drawfag pissed her off

Is anyone interested in scripts that automate hosting to expand the limited pool of hosts?

>>78982
Okay, I doubt this means anything. It's most likely that the win screen was simply shared amongst the hosts when it went up on DeviantArt and saved by both individually. That said, there is one thing I noticed sleuthing last night. You can see what an upload to the new booru was called looking at the sidebar to the right. Notice the uploaded file names of both Midna win screens referencing OnlyFansart, which might be another piece of information Erikafag used.

https://booru.plus/+queenkingv1697#q=midna&c=azb9jgeu

Why do I say this? Well, you can see for yourself the original filename used for the very first Queen of /v/ thread this year.

https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/656295387/#q656295387

This win screen WAS posted earlier in a previous off-season thread for Queen and King, right?

>>78990
lmao. How does Battler faggotry always thematically work out.

>>78977
EVEN after the tournament in unrelated threads, i might add. a certain character mindbroke some ESL or something. he really fucking hated the crown steal (and my pick) and samefagged and perhaps even falseflagged during the entirety of the GFs. my pick may have lost but knowing that it now lives rent-free in someones head? kino. if you called him out on it, he'd call you a schizo which ironically gave it away. he also complains about me (and the other supporters) in threads a lot even when it has no relation to anything. the reason you may not have noticed is that the threads were absolute fucking SHIT.

anyway, sorry for the long post but i'm feeling pretty manic rn

>>78988
At least people could look forward to a legitimately chosen winner back then, but now? Now you don't even have anymore because we ALL know that he's biased and willing to fuck with the tournament to try and push his own picks, no one is gonna stand for this, and even someone as stubborn as NSA isn't gonna want to host a tournament where no one takes his polls and results seriously, what happened in the Grand Finals and Losers Finals is gonna pale in comparison to the reaction people will have to a tournament that's being hosted by an actual rigger.

>>78994
I don't know but it's beautiful.

>>78988
This is way more concerning than the emails.

>>78996
okay schizo

>Zorak was the last ever legit champion

>>79003
Zorak's got a special message for NightShiftAnon.

Zorak - I'm gonna kick your ass

>>78993
That victory screen was made this year in September, and yet searching that file name in on b4k turns up absolutely nothing before that thread, how the fuck did "NSA" find this?

>>78877
>the arguments last thread

>>78877
>the Spinel reveal thread
Is this archived? Really want to see how that shitstorm went down.

>>79005
It COULD, as unlikely as it have been, reposted in a /tnt/ thread and then picked up by the hosts. There's a shitload of OFA/NSA connections but that feels like one of the least concerning ones.

>>78877
Hadn't she gotten a slight reputation boost for cockblocking perifag?

>>79007
I would have slightly preferred Space Ghost over Zorak, but at the same time who here would actually want him to win anytime soon over other options? Even talking Adult Swim, I'd rather see something like ATHF, Xavier, or Venture Bros win first in Mr. /co/.

>>78877
If NSA is still in charge for Ms. /co/ 2024 there's a pretty good chance the entire tournament will be on the level of that thread.

>>79009
Still, the filename indicates he downloaded it from DeviantArt.

>>79012
Would people even care about that tournament by this point once this inevitably leaks of of /tnt/ and onto 4chan proper? I feel it'd just be meta arguments over the previous winners interspersed with Dragon Ball and DTVA posters enjoying the chaos. Hell, even if in the best case scenario, Nightshift comes clean, apologizes, and steps down as the host while allowing someone else to take over, I'm still afraid that's just what's going to happen to Ms. /co/ at the very least.

>>79012
>>79014
Yes, basically I imagine it'd be enormous butthurt and flaming for the start, but then fizzle out into empty cynicism.

>>79013
Oh yeah I forgot about the deviantart filename, kek. Yeah, another piece of evidence. I swear by this point it's just easier to name what he DIDN'T do
>Doesn't like anything he calls "furry"
>Doesn't play nice with other anons
>Doesn't keep to the "friendly" agreements he made under OFA
>Isn't a different drawfag, because either their styles are too unique, tastes are too different, or were too openly critical towards Nightshift

>>78910
What if this gets him to be our first comic book winner in Mr. /co/?

>>79017
Nightshift must be that spider-menace

>>79014
NSA would care, which means that the threads having absolutely nothing to do with his precious tournament would his worst nightmare come true, non video game Dragon Ball characters being allowed into King would be nowhere near as bad as this because NO ONE would care, no one would be campaigning, everyone will either be arguing or funposting.

>>79017
>powerhosue every year he's in, then suddenly a low seed that doesn't even qualify, then right back to winning the whole thing
Would be a bizzare but amazing narrative.

>>79016
What drawfag HASN'T been openly critical of NSA?

>>79021
Has OFA ever seriously criticized NSA outside of making rape drawings?

>>79021
Hexanon maybe, but probably because he's just too friendly in general

>>79023
Are you sure he wouldn't just cum his pants? What he seems to take personal is insults towards his picks and ideas.

>>78878
>>A Rayman supporter came out of the woodworks to confirm he had conversed with OFA, who seemed oddly defensive over NSA
You should mention that it was in a magma drawpile. Speaking of which, did this anon >>78363 ever specify if it was revealing information we could use?

>>79027
The only way a tournament hosted by NSA will end after this is either with him resigning, him throwing a hissyfit to the mods to get them banned sitewide, or his threads becoming such a complete sham because of his rigging that no one will ever take a tournament run by him seriously ever again, it's over for him now, the only thing left for him to do is decide how he wants to go out.

>>79030
It would be hilarious if the mods turned against him and banned him so other hosts could take over.

>>79029
I was the person who made that one point about Magma. I was looking at names associated with each layer. Onlyfans seemed to be "Funeral Director" and kept that even into Queen of /v/. Not really much else came out of my investigation. The quirk wasn't something that could be used to find new information, quite the opposite.

Okay, let's say that NightShift actually came clean, admitted to being OnlyFansart, and even opened most/all of the previous voting forms for transparency. How would everyone here go from there? What if he decided to retire from hosting but still wanted to campaign?

>>79035
Alright.

>>78770
>which lead to really bizarre results like Larry the Cucumber at seed 31 and characters like Bob the Builder, Sickos Guy and Family Guy's Death qualifying
Man we need to go back. Maybe this is why I like /tnt/'s tourneys so much is that more out-there characters get in

>>79036
>But I can't imagine what 2024 relevant idea he's made that's truly hated
Probably would implement double elims with crown steal for ms. /co/ cause "that's what mr. /co/ voted."

>>79031
will 8 separate versions of Megatron’s be nominated to fuck with NSA next year like in 2022?

>>79037
No one would want them to campaign for their picks because it would get them spited so there wouldn't be many options for him.

>>79037
He'd likely be hated too much for any campaigning art to be taken well. Outright betrayal is much harder to forgive than anything else. If anything his art would be anti-campaign. It'd be like Boarbro, but instead of people liking him and Boarbro himself getting in on the joke of his curse, it'd just cause universal derision. A real shame, too. In terms of sheer technical skills he's one of the better artists we have in these, but he wished to use his powers for evil, not good.

>>79044
I sure hope Megatron can get in. Not Megatron though, fuck him. Megatron is also pretty cool.

>>79044
>there's even a Megatron X
Kek

>What if he decided to retire from hosting but still wanted to campaign?
OFA and Black Hat are forever fucked, sorry. They're going have to adopt a new persona, art style, typing style, and main if they want to be taken seriously again in any capacity.

You can argue the merits of LB, but man if there's one tourney that should NOT have it and crown steal implemented specifically it's ms. /co/. It's already a gamut of spite and metagaming. Imagine the cesspool loser's finals and grand finals rounds would be there.

suddenly Dale became a *good* Elite 8 member

>>79051
>Dale was ahead of the curve on conspiracy theories all along

>>79051
>>79054
LOOOOOOOL

>>79053
He was also implying how he's basically a fed and his job is too remote and far away with signal jammers. So you tell me.

>>79048
Man, and not even the very human "Doh, you guys caught me. I did have some favorites all along, teehee! How embarassing!" No, it's "Yeah, when you lost I made sure to rub it into your face, draw unfavorable art of your pick and make sure to post every thread "Why are Ammyfags such losers?, and also try to see if I could even get her second place title revoked"
Like, one is the equivalent of the host of a chili cookoff giving the winner title to his daughter that entered the competition. The other is some shit Stalin would pull.

>>79053
>>79056
"I don't have access to the internet for most of the day because of the signal jammer, and because of general work. Depending on the area I may be range banned. But that does not mean I'm always unable to post. As soon as I leave the range I have access. But that is not until I'm away from my workplace, and I can only post when I have time. Getting food, leaving work, waiting, etc. This happens every tourney. I schedule nominations on the time I have the longest off. Then the next weekend I'm back to work. That's why PenisAnon made my threads while I was gone. When I was able, I tried to make the next thread. I was able to post one thread Sat 09 Sep 2023 00:02:52. That's the early morning before I got to work. After that I'm revealing results near the time I get off. Sun 10 Sep 2023 16:18:24 That means I missed my posting shift for Saturday. I couldn't announce the placements for the winners of 5th through 8th. I missed semis ending. I tried to post a new thread, but I collapsed and woke up at 4 am. In fact I couldn't post anything until 4pm today."

"That was my schedule. I still have not changed out of my work clothes so I could address the thread."
You know this one was such an obvious lie in hindsight that it leads me to be surprised that none of us called him out for this sooner.

>>79056
On one hand, him posting from mobile would add up if he was really on the move. On the other hand, no idea how he'd have the proper free time for it all.

>>79059
With all the art OFA was able to pull off in Mrs this year I doubt he was as busy as he implied.

>>79060
Certainly

>>79058
Also he had this comment
>I've never understood this, but no I do not datamine. I specifically request you use an alt purely for your own security. Your emails are not shared, and for extra assurance. If I were to interact with a foreign country to sell information I would face a real punishment by my job. Meaning prison time.
If he really is some important busy federal worker I don't know why he's spending time running a 4chan tourney of all things.

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139373517/#139376365
>this entire post
What a lying piece of shit.

>>79066
>I was away for 2 days in an area where communication is blocked.
Again, stuff like this would beg the question WHY IS HE EVEN HOSTING AN INCONSEQUENTIAL AUTISTIC CHARACTER TOURNEY.

im actually sad about this

>>79012
If NSA isn't off the hosting team (considering we already got this much dirt on him in like 3 days, let alone how much we can get in 9 months before ms. /co/, i find that unlikely) we'll just have to do whatever we can to make sure he doesn't get away with it. We got rid of the other shit hosts like Numnuts and the 2018 cap rigger, we can get rid of him too if he refuses to step down.
Would actually be pretty easy since Coayynon/Samaritanon/Ghost/Penisanon could easily continue proceedings without him seeing as they're "official" hosts.

>>79066
I don't think there's a single sentence in this entire fucking post that isn't a lie.

>>79070
Ghost seems pretty unbiased, but didn't NSA also describe him as a "friend" in the past? That may be worth noting. Other three seem trustworthy right now at least.

>Numnuts and NightShiftAnon
They will be my HEROES for a tourney schizo's tournament!

>>79072
I have always theorized Ghost was Dominos.

>>79065
What would he take from the E-boys? OFA wanted to draw porn of Black Hat if he got further.

>>79074
Would be ironic if NSA let him cover his ass due to both being secret campaigners, yet at the same time I'd still easily trust Dominos first at this point.

NSA is quite the character. Egotistical, unwavering, possibly tranny federal agent on multi-day excursions into signal jammed locations, who also finds the time to be a runner and campaigner of giga autistic mongolian basket weaving character tournaments.

>>79077
And masochistic subby.