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No.78847
Ms. and Mr. /co/ Off-Season Discussion Thread #3Anonymous
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Lord help us all
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Gentlemen... Our HEROES.
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>live Mr. /co/ reaction
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>bump limit in one day
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WAKU WAKU TIME TO CRUCIFY NSA AND WATCH AS HE SLOWLY STARVES TO DEATH WHILE WE LAUGH AT HIS MISERY
No.78861
Anonymous
Repostan: Are any winners at risk of being delegitimized at this point? Just the ones after Zorak, right? Since the forums were open up until his win?
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Not a fan.
No.78865
Anonymous
>TFW any character who lost a round or didn't qualify or anything else can now just blame NSA for rigging them out
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>mrw all of this shit
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>>78861
I'm genuinely worried about how Midna is going to be seen, I mean I know she was already somewhat controversial compared to say Samus or Curly but when she was the one to take down Hornet's absolutely legendary tournament run....
Well, If I'm still doing these things in 2024, I'll do my best to make it up and campaign for Hornet. I already liked her a lot, probably in the top 10 /v/ females for me, but by this point it almost feels like obligation.
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>We were willing to let this host our tournaments
No.78870
Anonymous
>>78866
Wouldn’t it be funny if NSA rigged the 2022 bracket so Duck Match would happen early?
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drama amiright?
No.78872
Anonymous
>>78870
This wouldn't even be the worst thing NSA has done at this point.
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HOLY MACARONI! ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT NIGHTSHIFT ANON NOT ONLY HAS BEEN RIGGING FOR HIS OWN CHARACTERS BUT ALSO RIGGING OUT CHARACTERS LIKE ME? THAT I LIKE MANY OTHERS WILL HAVE TO WATCH HELPLESSLY AS HE SELFISHLY PUSHES HIS OWN MAINS AND BURIES ANY OTHER THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES AS A THREAT TO THEM? THAT HE IS A WELL KNOWN FANARTIST AND THE ONE WHO MADE THAT ELITE 8 ARTWORK FOR THAT HEYLIN WITCH? Well, what can I say except YABBA DABBA DOO DO IT AGAIN NIGHTFANSARTNON!
No.78874
Anonymous
Does anyone have a greentext or an image that can be posted to share everything we've uncovered in the last thread? We're gonna need it.
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all this "proof" that claims NightshiftAnon is a drawfriend and a rigged is nothing but false accusations that could be applied to anyone, this is just more slander not too similar to Tourneyfag's fake email screenshots
No.78877
Anonymous
>>78871
The first thread of Ms. /co/ 2024 has the potential to be even worse than the Spinel reveal thread. Maybe people will finally forgive her.
No.78878
Anonymous
I'd like this thread not to be as much of a downer, so here's a quick summary for people who missed last one.

>People further inspected Erikafag's claims about an anon with a DeviantArt account called "OnlyFansart" being the one responsible for the Amaterasu muzzle art towards the end of Queen of /v/.
>Someone then shared a Discord username shared during one of the Magma sessions that was quickly linked to be one used by NightShift based on previously shared contacts.
>This already was a concern since it all but said that he had been campaigning actively on the side of hosting, bringing up trust issues.
>People point out how one of his panels he drew on the Magma had Black Hat and Zim on it.
>A connection to OFA is made, and people go nuts.

>Someone points out that one time NSA drew his OC and claims how the line art style is very similar to one piece of art featuring Black Hat.
>A person notices how the two win screens for Fang with the asterisks included were posted at the same time, and another noticed that one was traced off the other. Suspicions grow that NSA made both.
>If the art style wasn't enough, someone all but confirms that OFA made the muzzle art due to its font (an uncommon one) being the same as some of Black Hat's art.
>Other art using the font is found, including a couple of Wesker pieces. Erikafag's main connections are mostly confirmed.
>Two pieces featuring the same font and even the brush style of one Black Hat art were about pinning the asterisk on the three E8 furries in 2022, furthering speculation this was NSA.
>People even point out how every time mapanon seemed to add his own tile, it was one of OFA's mains.
>Someone finds out that NightShift not only tried to share a post supporting Black Hat with his trip, but soon deleted that to share a similar post without his trip. All but confirms how he had been campaigning behind the scenes.
>A Rayman supporter came out of the woodworks to confirm he had conversed with OFA, who seemed oddly defensive over NSA.
>Silveranon outright went through a ton of archived threads to find proof of NSA and OFA not being the same person, to no success.

In short, it's very likely that NSA was OFA and had made spiteart on several occasions to try delegitimizing opinions against how he had been running the tournaments. Now to clarify, there is currently no definitive proof of actual rigging. Speculation has occurred over incidents like Gardevoir/Muffet being left out of E8 over "mistakes" or Goo somehow qualifying last Ms. /co/, but there's not close to concrete proof like the above scenario. There is also more about how all this was discovered, but these are the main bulletpoints.
No.78879
Anonymous
Replies:>>78883
>NSA once again surpassed Eris as the chief cause of chaos in these tournaments
Do we even need her at this point?
No.78881
Anonymous
>>78870
Most people would agree it was intentionally since it’s not fully randomized according to them, even at the time the voter opinion was it was intentional given how obvious the most fabled matchup appeared. Not even that controversial of a thing since people wanted it out of the way
The controversy, if there was one and was true, would be if they are intentionally giving Donald very difficult early matches or fucking with his results in response to very heavily beating he gave Black Hat his first year
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>>78854
A word of advice from me is that nobody makes a move anywhere near the first rounds.
Despite suffering from a clear God complex, he holds actual authority over the tournaments which is a doom scenario for us. While he's shown that he mostly doesn't care about the mass opinion, if he's actually personally touched to some extent by most of the revelations, he's one of the few people who are capable of pulling the plug for these tournaments. He's the main host and if get in his nerves he can instantly just contact the mods and throw a tantrum to them like an autist and with it goes our tournaments.
That's why I suggest that we reveal it... Somewhere around the end? Afterparty is highly unlikely that he'll be active at all unless we force him to be so, but at the end of the finals would stain the victory of the character that's about to be crowned.

I am genuinely concerned on how this whole revelation is going to go out like, NSA hasn't completely lost it but he's also incredibly unpredictable as unlike Numnuts he doesn't open himself so easily, and unlike Numnuts has actual power over the tournaments. We literally went on a detective spree that not even some crime agencies go through to find some information for NSA.
No.78883
Anonymous
>>78879
At this point, he may have surpassed Spinel.
No.78884
Anonymous
Replies:>>78885
>omen gus said next year was the final year for the tournaments
oh no
No.78885
Anonymous
>>78884
At least the video essay will be interesting.
No.78887
Anonymous
>>78882
Silverbro, there's no way to contain this information for that long...
No.78888
Anonymous
>>78882
This is why NSA NEEDS to be sacked before he can host any of the tournaments, if he does our only option will be to reveal it at some point in the middle of a tournament that's in progress and then pray that he'll either resign, get sacked or won't throw a shitfit at the board's mods in an attempt to get the tournaments banned all over the site.
No.78890
Anonymous
Replies:>>78893
>>78882
At least one anon will spill the beans, it’s not possible to keep everyone’s mouths shut
No.78891
Anonymous
>>78861
In the most broad strokes, anybody Zorak or prior is going to be very hard to delegitimize for the reason you said. In practice, quite a few get off the hook. Bayonetta, Wesker, and Zim all lost, with only the last one reaching finals. We also still consider Captain America as the formal "runner-up" in the first Mr. /co/ despite the truth about his run. Skeletor outright beat Zim and had no real clear ties to OFA. Only argument against Curly would be salt against Amaterasu for defeating Bayonetta, but considering OFA didn't turn against her until losers' finals (further evidence that NSA and OFA are the same) I find that hard to believe. Garland was just loved by a majority period and would have likely beaten AM anyways considering the sheer margin there. Grimm has no known ties to OFA, and even then there wasn't a clear main for him during that tournament.

In short, it's mainly just Midna and Wuya. Even in Midna's case, it's hard to say considering OFA's first main was GLaDOS. Midna did have two close final matches, but at the same time it is strange they would go so far for a character's that's more a secondary than anything. Wuya is the most suspect due to the surprise of her getting so far, yet it's hard to pick out much evidence of rigging.

In short, I feel in the end people are just going to accept the winners. Could see some continued debate over Midna and especially Wuya, but not enough to revoke their crowns.
No.78892
Anonymous
Could this have the potential to be one of the biggest controversies in /co/ and /v/ history?
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>>78890
Yeah, that's why I am giving it as an advice and not an order. I can't really say to anybody what to do here, only really give advice's.
No.78895
Anonymous
Replies:>>78898
>>78892
It's possible for /co/, although it would depend on NSA's general reaction. If he had a meltdown, it would be way more impactful.

No way it's the most controversial thing off /v/. It's one of the busiest boards on the site and has a ton of history that's dragged in other sites.
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>>78878
Thanks chief
No.78897
Anonymous
>goes from night shift assistant of the best host ever, to upstart takeover, to gradually more disliked asshole, to full blown greatest tourney villain
>the key was a muzzle doodle, leading the busting of a possible mass conspiracy that puts in place all his bizarre and assholish behavior over the years
Good long-term booking.
No.78898
Anonymous
>>78892
>>78895
Anons, /v/ had the fucking gamegate.
No.78900
Anonymous
This has been Basil level sleuthing
No.78901
Anonymous
>>78892
If he has a "melty" and gets the tourneys deleted yes it could be the biggest in /co/.
Unless it seeps into real world politics no, not even close for /v/.
No.78902
Anonymous
Are there any picks that aren't going to be heavily tarnished because of NightFanAnon's actions?
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>they/them
Honestly the funniest part of the OFA to Nightshift connection
No.78904
Anonymous
Replies:>>78906
>>78903
>they/them because he's both nightshiftanon and onlyfansart
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>>78902
He'll be stronger than ever
I already had Treasure planet in my backlog but now I NEED to see it for Captain Silver
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>>78904
Or maybe nightshift hates his peepee and wants to be a girl hehe
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>>78580
I was an Optimus main and the fact that he lost by 10 votes made me sad. There was a piece of OC where Zim was celebrating on top of his disembodied and broken head but I didn't care because it was in-character and the art looked cool as hell. Don't worry about it, embrace your character and be a dickhead if that's who they are.
No.78908
Anonymous
>>78906
Explains the rape.
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KNEEL
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>>78902
If anything, I think the weirdly low qualifier turn-out this year will end up helping him next year. I already plan on including that and some of this whole drama in his campaign next year.
No.78912
Anonymous
Replies:>>78916
>>78902
Most picks will likely be fine in terms of reception. Only ones who are probably finished are Black Hat, who wouldn't have won anyways, and Goo, whose qualification was dubious in the first place. Wesker might be hit, but that's mainly because one anon that MIGHT have been him bitched hard last year. Left a poor taste on some people's mouths. It does help a lot of his mains are pretty mainstream, so it would take a wider and more direct conspiracy to take them down long-term (see Captain America). The only winners with evident bias post-forms closing are Midna and Wuya, and good luck getting /v/ to turn against the former.

Funnily enough, outside the aforementioned the biggest concern for a few of these is hoping that other artists or campaigners latch behind them once they each return. I think that Zim will be mostly fine (see
>>78907 for example) and GLaDOS was already a strong pick even in relative silence, so it's mainly just Bayonetta. She's going to continue being beloved overall, but there's a reason people pointed out a lot of her art coming from the same anon (who turned out to be OFA). Still, on the converse if she had two close calls without art I'd hardly call her doomed.
No.78913
Anonymous
>>78828
I remember that. What would NSA have against Rayman?
No.78914
Anonymous
>>78903
DeviantArt apparently does that by default and could see him not caring to actually update that. Still, considering what's happened with certain picks in the past it is ironic.
No.78915
Anonymous
>>78913
Rayman just started having a lot of falseflaggers once he made it into E8. Mainly people trying to claim that his Netflix appearence is why people voted for him despite most of his OC not involving it.
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>>78912
>Wesker might be hit
Yep, it's his time.
No.78917
Anonymous
So basically the reason he was trying really really hard to push loser's bracket and crown steal was to keep drawing for his picks when they lost, general drawfag/campaigner sympathy, and the possibility of having his pick crown steal if the concept went over well?
Replies:>>78924
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>>78915
Wait.
>Rayman's Netflix appearence
>This is the most iconic scene
Motherfucker.
No.78919
Anonymous
>>78913
He’s a furry in the recent show with that naked cow girl
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>>78905
It is an actual gem of a movie with one of the best visuals in any media period. Soundtrack is also just KINO
Treasure Planet OST - 03 - 12 Years Lateryoutube thumb
No.78921
Anonymous
I'm just concerned about the damage this will cause going forward. Tournament threads have been getting crazy over the years and I'm afraid this is going to be the breaking point for a lot.
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Wouldn’t it be funny if NSA was the one who shared the Black Souls Discord invite in order to take away attention from the Erikafag accusations?
No.78923
Anonymous
>OFA made a drawing for my main early in the year because I was in a waifufag thread and he appreciated my autism for her
>Made another drawing for her during Mrs /co/ itself because of the enthusiastic campaign for her
>Turns out he's NSA and also a biased as fuck rigger who's been screwing with the tournaments for years
To think I likely would have commissioned him for more art of her at some point, at least I can still separate art from the artist I suppose.
No.78924
Anonymous
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>NSA secretly had vidya tastes that he drew for and might've even rigged for
>Still had an autistic hissy fit over X and Roll Caskett, fucked over Kaine and Madeline, and let JPEG Dog in Queen despite a single search telling you he's a male character.
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>>78917
Why can't he take the big-boy path where you either just draw for the characters you like the second most when your main loses, or draw your old main cheering on somebody? It's not even a unique shtick, I've had to have seen a dozen and a half artists do exactly that.
No.78927
Anonymous
Replies:>>78932
>>78915
And they ignored the Sparks of Hope DLC and the Rayman 4 leak. I hope Rayman can make a far run again someday because it is such a great series.
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>>78922
Sam, you bastard.
No.78931
Anonymous
>>78922
Funny that Erikafags reputation seemed to flip flop from based sleuth, to agitator retard, to based sleuth again. Her character's kind of grown on me anyways so she's got my vote next QoV.
No.78932
Anonymous
>>78927
He's one of my top picks for a more cartoony character to win alongside Wario, Eggman, and Mario.
No.78933
Anonymous
Replies:>>78937
>>78925
I haven't forgotten about his attitude towards Miku and MegURINE Luka. I think he's just an immature ass.
No.78934
Anonymous
>>78926
Also if your main has threads, is not like your drawings are limited to tournaments. There's also magmas where you can do whatever you want.
No.78936
Anonymous
>>78917
I feel like he was samefagging about this too. It's been proven he posts anonymously for things he supports, and there was a constant anon really, almost personally mad about the reception crown steal got with the same typing style and arguments. No one "understood" it and /v/ voted on it anyways so we should just take it. Even started blaming Curleyfags.
No.78937
Anonymous
Replies:>>78944
>>78933
Same here. I don't think he's actually rigged any of the winners or shit like that, but it's very clear he's quick to act petty.
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>>78922
It would be funny because it's such a poor attempt at disguising his own weak rigging. I think I should show him "Jack the Rigger" if he's gonna try and keep on hosting.
No.78939
Anonymous
>>78925
Who would've thought a host that actually knows about vidya would still fuck up multiple times while hosting a vidya tournament, seriously there's no excuse for letting the damn dog in if he's versed enough in his picks to campaign for them.
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>>78853
What makes it funnier is Erika has been seen as an honorary Plunderer before because of some memes with Zorakanon and being a pirate at one point in Umineko. Do not mess with pirates if you're a host. They know how to commit a good mutiny.
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>>78936
My queen keeps aging like wine!
No.78943
Anonymous
>>78853
New /v/-/co/ team just dropped
No.78944
Anonymous
>>78937
Yeah. For example I don’t think Jack vs AM was rigged for AM to lose, but the move of having Psyanon announce the results was something he could have done in order to humiliate AM.
No.78945
Anonymous
Replies:>>78969
>>78943
Much as I wouldn't want the first winner for that to be such a meta pick, it would also be funny enough where I wouldn't mind.
No.78946
Anonymous
>>78936
that was me, go fuck yourself, faggot.
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>Everyone thought NSA was barely active in the threads because he was too busy dealing with other shit
>The other shit he was busy with was campaigning for his picks, shilling the garbage he tried to force into the tournament and making smear art
No.78948
Anonymous
Replies:>>78953
>>78946
Trip on
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>>78936
>Guys I think loser's bracket will be bad, here's why
>"Dude are you retarded, double elimination"
>What does that even mean, the hosts never explained it
>"you're stupid and don't understand"
and then loser's finals and grand finals proceed to be easily the worst rounds of any tourneys, and fucking Battler showboating a crown steal completely takes away from the Eggman vs Grimm fight. It's not worth it. I have no regrets being vocal against that shit, even if it made the host have a melty and draw Amaterasu in a muzzle
No.78950
Anonymous
So what now? Do we just rely on Balls and the others?
No.78952
Anonymous
>>78946
Why are you such a flaming homo, nightshift?
No.78953
Anonymous
>>78948
yeah that's the same response you spit out every time someone disagrees with you. see, i'm even using the same posting style.
No.78954
Anonymous
>>78949
I also do not regret being vocal about how shit the attempted crown steal and the loser's bracket and grand finals were.
Replies:>>78963
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>yeah that's the same response you spit out every time someone disagrees with you. see, i'm even using the same posting style.
No.78956
Anonymous
Replies:>>78962
>>78949
Luckily /co/ shut that shit down, at least the full-on double elims concept. Since it was technically voted on as yes during Mr. I don't doubt NSA would just implement the same double elims concept if still in power though.
No.78957
Anonymous
>>78949
Loser's bracket was pretty good I would say. It gave some early losses more time in the spotlight and I appreciate that. Crown steal was always retarded though.
No.78959
Anonymous
>>78936
Sheesh, I remember that guy. People kept pointing out how that it wasn't just about how double elimination works, yet they kept falling on that same argument over and over. It was really embarrassing.
No.78960
Anonymous
Replies:>>78964
>>78950
Balls may not even be conscious right now, but thankfully we have at least two to three trustworthy hosts right now.
No.78961
Anonymous
>>78950
balls retired, anon.
No.78962
Anonymous
Replies:>>78965
>>78956
>if still in power though
>He thinks we're gonna let NSA be in charge of anything after the last thread
No.78963
Anonymous
Replies:>>78966
>>78955
Crownstealsissies.... They're mocking us...
No.78964
Anonymous
Replies:>>78968
>>78958
>>78960
>>78961
Right, but is it permanent? I thought it was just for the rest of King
No.78965
Anonymous
Replies:>>78981
>>78962
I mean how would we oust a host? There’s no precedent for any of this
No.78966
Anonymous
Replies:>>78971
>>78963
i am just looking for le epic meltdown, after all...
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>>78943
I'd campaign for her again if that team somehow qualified
No.78968
Anonymous
>>78964
He seemed to imply it was long-term, saying he felt he had "more time". Guy seemed to leave in a hurry, and he wasn't around much during one of the /co/ tournaments due to apparent health issues. Sounded really grave.
No.78969
Anonymous
>>78945
So we aren't counting the first /v/-/co/ as canon?
No.78970
Anonymous
>>78961
no they didn't, they're in my shorts
No.78971
Anonymous
No.78972
Anonymous
Replies:>>78978
>>78969
What even happened with that?
No.78974
Anonymous
>>78969
I don't know. Technically it happened but it was kind of sloppy, had zero hype, and had like 20-30 voters. I'm a tourney autists and I didn't even know it was going on. It was basically Temp's test tourney.
No.78975
Anonymous
Replies:>>78980
>>78971
you may know what that means if you paid attention to the grand finals. then again, this is a /co/ thread. sorry.
No.78976
Anonymous
>>78969
We shouldn't, it was so small and not well organized.
No.78977
Anonymous
>>78971
That was a line repeated a lot by one anon.
No.78978
Anonymous
Replies:>>78984
>>78972
It was just a test tournament by Temp to prove he was capable of hosting, the test was terrible and he even missed the times to close the polls. The winners were Charlie Magne and Doomguy but like I said since it was a test tournament with barely 20 voters it shouldn't count.
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>>78975
>>78977
I don't know what it has to do with me destroying your loved ones but I'll take it.
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>>78965
Trust me anon, we WILL boot NSA out of the host seat, and if he refuses to step down at first and attempts to run Mrs /co/ like nothing is wrong, then we'll just make sure the quality of his threads reflects his quality as a host until he learns that this isn't HIS tournament.
No.78982
Anonymous
>ballsanon was like the second in command
>onlyfansart deviantart has they/them as pronouns
>balls suddenly had to go
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Goodnight, I'm horrified yet curious for what happens when I open this thread back up tomorrow morning
No.78984
Anonymous
>>78978
>Temp
That's all I needed to hear, thanks.
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>>78982
>Nightshift literally cut off "his" Balls "below him"
The poeticism of this all has been absolutely beautiful. Fiction can't compare to reality.
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One of NSA's more notable fuckups in King led to one of the funniest moments in that tournament, at least.
No.78988
Anonymous
>>78981
>hen we'll just make sure the quality of his threads reflects his quality as a host
He would just ignore it like he has. He's always been bullheaded about his decisions. The entirety of the last ms. /co/ was rife with meta arguments after his email and anti-rigging measures and he... just makes 3AM page 10 announcements that he's polling a loser's bracket.
No.78990
Anonymous
Replies:>>78994
Guys, Battler jobbed again.
Battler
>gave into the illusion of NightShiftAnon's tournaments in hopes of getting a pity win out of it by becoming the face of the Loser's Bracket and still got cucked out of his crown steal
Erika
>set off the events to finally bring down NightShiftAnon after years of ruining tournaments and lead us to discover the biggest tournament conspiracy ever all by accident because a drawfag pissed her off
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>>78981
Kakarot...
No.78992
Anonymous
Is anyone interested in scripts that automate hosting to expand the limited pool of hosts?
No.78993
Anonymous
>>78982
Okay, I doubt this means anything. It's most likely that the win screen was simply shared amongst the hosts when it went up on DeviantArt and saved by both individually. That said, there is one thing I noticed sleuthing last night. You can see what an upload to the new booru was called looking at the sidebar to the right. Notice the uploaded file names of both Midna win screens referencing OnlyFansart, which might be another piece of information Erikafag used.

https://booru.plus/+queenkingv1697#q=midna&c=azb9jgeu

Why do I say this? Well, you can see for yourself the original filename used for the very first Queen of /v/ thread this year.

https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/656295387/#q656295387

This win screen WAS posted earlier in a previous off-season thread for Queen and King, right?
No.78994
Anonymous
Replies:>>78998
>>78990
lmao. How does Battler faggotry always thematically work out.
No.78996
Anonymous
Replies:>>79000
>>78977
EVEN after the tournament in unrelated threads, i might add. a certain character mindbroke some ESL or something. he really fucking hated the crown steal (and my pick) and samefagged and perhaps even falseflagged during the entirety of the GFs. my pick may have lost but knowing that it now lives rent-free in someones head? kino. if you called him out on it, he'd call you a schizo which ironically gave it away. he also complains about me (and the other supporters) in threads a lot even when it has no relation to anything. the reason you may not have noticed is that the threads were absolute fucking SHIT.

anyway, sorry for the long post but i'm feeling pretty manic rn
No.78997
Anonymous
>>78988
At least people could look forward to a legitimately chosen winner back then, but now? Now you don't even have anymore because we ALL know that he's biased and willing to fuck with the tournament to try and push his own picks, no one is gonna stand for this, and even someone as stubborn as NSA isn't gonna want to host a tournament where no one takes his polls and results seriously, what happened in the Grand Finals and Losers Finals is gonna pale in comparison to the reaction people will have to a tournament that's being hosted by an actual rigger.
No.78998
Anonymous
>>78994
I don't know but it's beautiful.
No.78999
Anonymous
>>78988
This is way more concerning than the emails.
No.79000
Anonymous
>>78996
okay schizo
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>>78993
Bruh really uses a PC and is too lazy to use its best and easiest feature, to change the filenames
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Listen up, anons'! I'm putting together a team. A team to coup fagshitanon.
No.79003
Anonymous
>Zorak was the last ever legit champion
No.79004
Anonymous
>>79003
Zorak's got a special message for NightShiftAnon.

Zorak - I'm gonna kick your assyoutube thumb
No.79005
Anonymous
>>78993
That victory screen was made this year in September, and yet searching that file name in on b4k turns up absolutely nothing before that thread, how the fuck did "NSA" find this?
No.79006
Anonymous
>>78877
>the arguments last thread
Replies:>>79011
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>>79003
YOU HAD ONE JOB NIGHTSHIFT, YOU SHOULD HAVE RIGGED HIM OUT INSTEAD!
No.79008
Anonymous
>>78877
>the Spinel reveal thread
Is this archived? Really want to see how that shitstorm went down.
No.79009
Anonymous
>>79005
It COULD, as unlikely as it have been, reposted in a /tnt/ thread and then picked up by the hosts. There's a shitload of OFA/NSA connections but that feels like one of the least concerning ones.
No.79010
Anonymous
>>78877
Hadn't she gotten a slight reputation boost for cockblocking perifag?
No.79011
Anonymous
Replies:>>79285
>>79007
I would have slightly preferred Space Ghost over Zorak, but at the same time who here would actually want him to win anytime soon over other options? Even talking Adult Swim, I'd rather see something like ATHF, Xavier, or Venture Bros win first in Mr. /co/.
No.79012
Anonymous
>>78877
If NSA is still in charge for Ms. /co/ 2024 there's a pretty good chance the entire tournament will be on the level of that thread.
No.79013
Anonymous
>>79009
Still, the filename indicates he downloaded it from DeviantArt.
No.79014
Anonymous
>>79012
Would people even care about that tournament by this point once this inevitably leaks of of /tnt/ and onto 4chan proper? I feel it'd just be meta arguments over the previous winners interspersed with Dragon Ball and DTVA posters enjoying the chaos. Hell, even if in the best case scenario, Nightshift comes clean, apologizes, and steps down as the host while allowing someone else to take over, I'm still afraid that's just what's going to happen to Ms. /co/ at the very least.
No.79015
Anonymous
>>79012
>>79014
Yes, basically I imagine it'd be enormous butthurt and flaming for the start, but then fizzle out into empty cynicism.
No.79016
Anonymous
Replies:>>79021
>>79013
Oh yeah I forgot about the deviantart filename, kek. Yeah, another piece of evidence. I swear by this point it's just easier to name what he DIDN'T do
>Doesn't like anything he calls "furry"
>Doesn't play nice with other anons
>Doesn't keep to the "friendly" agreements he made under OFA
>Isn't a different drawfag, because either their styles are too unique, tastes are too different, or were too openly critical towards Nightshift
No.79017
Anonymous
>>78910
What if this gets him to be our first comic book winner in Mr. /co/?
No.79018
Anonymous
>>79017
Nightshift must be that spider-menace
No.79019
Anonymous
Replies:>>79023
>>79014
NSA would care, which means that the threads having absolutely nothing to do with his precious tournament would his worst nightmare come true, non video game Dragon Ball characters being allowed into King would be nowhere near as bad as this because NO ONE would care, no one would be campaigning, everyone will either be arguing or funposting.
No.79020
Anonymous
Replies:>>79220
>>79017
>powerhosue every year he's in, then suddenly a low seed that doesn't even qualify, then right back to winning the whole thing
Would be a bizzare but amazing narrative.
No.79021
Anonymous
>>79016
What drawfag HASN'T been openly critical of NSA?
No.79022
Anonymous
>>79021
Has OFA ever seriously criticized NSA outside of making rape drawings?
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>>79019
He didn't care when Queen was completely derailed into sheer arguing over the losers finals shit. Only thing he does seem to care about is his ego, he's pretty consistently been VERY egotistical, very hesitant to apologize or admit fault if he does at all, nothing like Balls, Psy or Coay whenever anything went weird. But, with narcissism even greater than mine, the emperor of the universe, perhaps attacks towards his ego and hosting capabilities would be able to get him to snap. After all, if merely a few Amaterasu posters and drawfags saying "We don't like loser's finals, Curly won it's not fair to her" is enough to make him draw and repost the muzzles.... What kind of reaction would a threadwide and focused "fuck nightshift" get out of him?
No.79024
Anonymous
>>79021
Hexanon maybe, but probably because he's just too friendly in general
Replies:>>79028
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>>79023
Good idea Frieza, if he got this touchy over Amaterasu's fans and his filler rounds being completely disregarded I can only imagine how he'll react if he gets consistently told off for the entire tournament.
No.79027
Anonymous
>>79023
Are you sure he wouldn't just cum his pants? What he seems to take personal is insults towards his picks and ideas.
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>>79025
That's FREEZA and -SAMA, monkey! Do not test the great emperor!
No.79029
Anonymous
Replies:>>79035
>>78878
>>A Rayman supporter came out of the woodworks to confirm he had conversed with OFA, who seemed oddly defensive over NSA
You should mention that it was in a magma drawpile. Speaking of which, did this anon >>78363 ever specify if it was revealing information we could use?
No.79030
Anonymous
>>79027
The only way a tournament hosted by NSA will end after this is either with him resigning, him throwing a hissyfit to the mods to get them banned sitewide, or his threads becoming such a complete sham because of his rigging that no one will ever take a tournament run by him seriously ever again, it's over for him now, the only thing left for him to do is decide how he wants to go out.
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>>79023
Retard. You think kicking out NSA will stop the rigging? It only leaves the position vacant to ME. After I take 2024, you will be paying dearly.
No.79032
Anonymous
>>79030
It would be hilarious if the mods turned against him and banned him so other hosts could take over.
Replies:>>79042
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>>79030
hmm, yes this may be something we can have a collaboration with the dbspics.
No.79035
Anonymous
Replies:>>79038
>>79029
I was the person who made that one point about Magma. I was looking at names associated with each layer. Onlyfans seemed to be "Funeral Director" and kept that even into Queen of /v/. Not really much else came out of my investigation. The quirk wasn't something that could be used to find new information, quite the opposite.
Replies:>>79040
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>>79027
Picks would backfire, many legitimate anons have mains that happen to correlate to OnlyfansShift. The safest one seems to be Black Hat, which even for myself would be unusually harsh targeting reserved only for the stupid Saiyan monkeys. It would shift direction too far away away from the host itself, and more towards anons and campaigns. Which absolutely isn't our goal.
Ideas of his? Possibly. But I can't imagine what 2024 relevant idea he's made that's truly hated, besides the Loser's bracket which has been discussed ad-nauseum. Even the emails thing was just for a single tourney.
No.79037
Anonymous
Okay, let's say that NightShift actually came clean, admitted to being OnlyFansart, and even opened most/all of the previous voting forms for transparency. How would everyone here go from there? What if he decided to retire from hosting but still wanted to campaign?
No.79038
Anonymous
>>79035
Alright.
No.79039
Anonymous
>>78770
>which lead to really bizarre results like Larry the Cucumber at seed 31 and characters like Bob the Builder, Sickos Guy and Family Guy's Death qualifying
Man we need to go back. Maybe this is why I like /tnt/'s tourneys so much is that more out-there characters get in
No.79040
Anonymous
>>79036
>But I can't imagine what 2024 relevant idea he's made that's truly hated
Probably would implement double elims with crown steal for ms. /co/ cause "that's what mr. /co/ voted."
No.79041
Anonymous
Replies:>>79044
>>79031
will 8 separate versions of Megatron’s be nominated to fuck with NSA next year like in 2022?
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>>79034
Even DTVA doesn't hold a candle to the evil that is RIGGERFanAnon, he WILL job to us and be forever remembered as the most pathetic, embarrassing, schizophrenic KEK in the history of these tournaments.
No.79043
Anonymous
>>79037
No one would want them to campaign for their picks because it would get them spited so there wouldn't be many options for him.
No.79045
Anonymous
Replies:>>79214
>>79037
He'd likely be hated too much for any campaigning art to be taken well. Outright betrayal is much harder to forgive than anything else. If anything his art would be anti-campaign. It'd be like Boarbro, but instead of people liking him and Boarbro himself getting in on the joke of his curse, it'd just cause universal derision. A real shame, too. In terms of sheer technical skills he's one of the better artists we have in these, but he wished to use his powers for evil, not good.
No.79046
Anonymous
>>79044
I sure hope Megatron can get in. Not Megatron though, fuck him. Megatron is also pretty cool.
No.79047
Anonymous
>>79044
>there's even a Megatron X
Kek
Replies:>>79057
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>>79037
Do you really think any of us would feel sorry for him? "Oh woe is me, I was a dirty rigging biased host but I can't even campaign for my picks anymore now I'm retired". Fuck him, if he wanted to campaign and RP with his picks he shouldn't have become a host in the first place, he shouldn't have used his position to screw other people's picks out so his own could get in, he could've been an ordinary anon just like the rest of us, but he chose to be a two faced lying bitch, he chose to abuse all the powers he held because it's "his" tournament, he'll be a pariah just like Numnuts and he'll deserve every single last second of it.
No.79049
Anonymous
>What if he decided to retire from hosting but still wanted to campaign?
OFA and Black Hat are forever fucked, sorry. They're going have to adopt a new persona, art style, typing style, and main if they want to be taken seriously again in any capacity.
No.79050
Anonymous
You can argue the merits of LB, but man if there's one tourney that should NOT have it and crown steal implemented specifically it's ms. /co/. It's already a gamut of spite and metagaming. Imagine the cesspool loser's finals and grand finals rounds would be there.
No.79051
Anonymous
suddenly Dale became a *good* Elite 8 member
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Hey, wasn't during the Ms. co afterparty thread when everybody when complaining about the email shit NSA was whining about how hard his work was and we were all so mean to him, but he couldn't answer us about anything? Was that bullshit too, was OFA posting during that time he was supposedly "going to be without internet for his several-hour commute"? That one really struck me as odd
No.79054
Anonymous
Replies:>>79055
>>79051
>Dale was ahead of the curve on conspiracy theories all along
No.79055
Anonymous
No.79056
Anonymous
>>79053
He was also implying how he's basically a fed and his job is too remote and far away with signal jammers. So you tell me.
No.79057
Anonymous
>>79048
Man, and not even the very human "Doh, you guys caught me. I did have some favorites all along, teehee! How embarassing!" No, it's "Yeah, when you lost I made sure to rub it into your face, draw unfavorable art of your pick and make sure to post every thread "Why are Ammyfags such losers?, and also try to see if I could even get her second place title revoked"
Like, one is the equivalent of the host of a chili cookoff giving the winner title to his daughter that entered the competition. The other is some shit Stalin would pull.
No.79058
Anonymous
>>79053
>>79056
"I don't have access to the internet for most of the day because of the signal jammer, and because of general work. Depending on the area I may be range banned. But that does not mean I'm always unable to post. As soon as I leave the range I have access. But that is not until I'm away from my workplace, and I can only post when I have time. Getting food, leaving work, waiting, etc. This happens every tourney. I schedule nominations on the time I have the longest off. Then the next weekend I'm back to work. That's why PenisAnon made my threads while I was gone. When I was able, I tried to make the next thread. I was able to post one thread Sat 09 Sep 2023 00:02:52. That's the early morning before I got to work. After that I'm revealing results near the time I get off. Sun 10 Sep 2023 16:18:24 That means I missed my posting shift for Saturday. I couldn't announce the placements for the winners of 5th through 8th. I missed semis ending. I tried to post a new thread, but I collapsed and woke up at 4 am. In fact I couldn't post anything until 4pm today."

"That was my schedule. I still have not changed out of my work clothes so I could address the thread."
You know this one was such an obvious lie in hindsight that it leads me to be surprised that none of us called him out for this sooner.
No.79059
Anonymous
Replies:>>79060
>>79056
On one hand, him posting from mobile would add up if he was really on the move. On the other hand, no idea how he'd have the proper free time for it all.
No.79060
Anonymous
Replies:>>79061
>>79059
With all the art OFA was able to pull off in Mrs this year I doubt he was as busy as he implied.
No.79061
Anonymous
>>79060
Certainly
No.79062
Anonymous
>>79058
Also he had this comment
>I've never understood this, but no I do not datamine. I specifically request you use an alt purely for your own security. Your emails are not shared, and for extra assurance. If I were to interact with a foreign country to sell information I would face a real punishment by my job. Meaning prison time.
If he really is some important busy federal worker I don't know why he's spending time running a 4chan tourney of all things.
Replies:>>79075
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>>79058
"I don't have access to the internet for most of the day because of the signal jammer"
Your mom unplugging the router and telling you to go outside doesn't count NSA
"and I can only post when I have time."
Well then you sure have a lot of free time to post about the big-bad Ammy fags!
"I still have not changed out of my work clothes so I could address the thread."
The E-girl panties you just spent $1,000 dollars on and have masturbated inside of for a week straight are not work clothes NSA. Take a shower.
No.79066
Anonymous
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139373517/#139376365
>this entire post
What a lying piece of shit.
No.79067
Anonymous
>>79066
>I was away for 2 days in an area where communication is blocked.
Again, stuff like this would beg the question WHY IS HE EVEN HOSTING AN INCONSEQUENTIAL AUTISTIC CHARACTER TOURNEY.
No.79068
Anonymous
im actually sad about this
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>>79066
THERE'S NO END
THERE'S NO END TO THIS SHIT, JUST WHEN WE THINK WE'VE HIT THE BOTTOM IT GETS WORSE HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH THIS
No.79070
Anonymous
Replies:>>79072
>>79012
If NSA isn't off the hosting team (considering we already got this much dirt on him in like 3 days, let alone how much we can get in 9 months before ms. /co/, i find that unlikely) we'll just have to do whatever we can to make sure he doesn't get away with it. We got rid of the other shit hosts like Numnuts and the 2018 cap rigger, we can get rid of him too if he refuses to step down.
Would actually be pretty easy since Coayynon/Samaritanon/Ghost/Penisanon could easily continue proceedings without him seeing as they're "official" hosts.
No.79071
Anonymous
>>79066
I don't think there's a single sentence in this entire fucking post that isn't a lie.
No.79072
Anonymous
Replies:>>79074
>>79070
Ghost seems pretty unbiased, but didn't NSA also describe him as a "friend" in the past? That may be worth noting. Other three seem trustworthy right now at least.
No.79073
Anonymous
>Numnuts and NightShiftAnon
They will be my HEROES for a tourney schizo's tournament!
No.79074
Anonymous
Replies:>>79076
>>79072
I have always theorized Ghost was Dominos.
No.79075
Anonymous
Replies:>>79080
>>79065
What would he take from the E-boys? OFA wanted to draw porn of Black Hat if he got further.
No.79076
Anonymous
>>79074
Would be ironic if NSA let him cover his ass due to both being secret campaigners, yet at the same time I'd still easily trust Dominos first at this point.
No.79077
Anonymous
Replies:>>79079
NSA is quite the character. Egotistical, unwavering, possibly tranny federal agent on multi-day excursions into signal jammed locations, who also finds the time to be a runner and campaigner of giga autistic mongolian basket weaving character tournaments.
Replies:>>79082
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>>79037
NSA humbling himself is in my opinion, the best option out all of these.
Just admit that you fucked up and release all voting forms. Then we'll judge how much of a fuck up he really is.
If a majority of Voting Forms had basically no changes then NSA has a chance at being redeemed. If he rigged some key characters into making elite eight or winning then he's permanently fucked.

Still however, very unlikely he does this.
No.79079
Anonymous
>>79077
And masochistic subby.
Replies:>>79084
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>>79075
>NSA will never get to draw his pet pick for Mr /co/ again even if he somehow isn't completely screwed after this reveal
At least there's a silver lining to all this.
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>>79044
don't forget Archforce who was retconned as the guy who was forced into becoming the fake Megatron in the Marvel UK comic
No.79082
Anonymous
>>79078
>If a majority of Voting Forms had basically no changes then NSA has a chance at being redeemed.
He still shouldn't be allowed to host after this. Also, I'm scared to find out what characters were rigged and if he'll further lie about rigging some characters himself to spite them.
No.79083
Anonymous
Replies:>>79093
>>79082
This, I'd rather he just be booted out entirely before the tournament starts because he's still in a position where he can screw over people's picks with any word he says.
No.79084
Anonymous
>>79080
I like Villainous and hope this doesn't just screw the characters over forever for other fans. Going after characters themselves for this is the wrong way to go.
No.79085
Anonymous
>>79084
I don't hate Black Hat, but I DO despise NSA so knowing that he at least can't be open about campaigning for his pick is a small bit of relief I can take out of all this.
No.79086
Anonymous
Replies:>>79087
>>79082
>>79084
This has been my biggest fear.
No.79087
Anonymous
>>79086
The sooner we turn NSA into the local jester the better, Numnuts has no influence over these tournaments outside of rigging now as basically no one takes him seriously, the same can NOT be said for NSA which is why we need to change that as soon as possible so his mere presence can't harm anyone's picks.
No.79089
Totally the real NightShiftanon A.K.A. OnlyFansart
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So without NSA we are left with basically Coayynon and Samaritanon. That means we will be once again left without a main host. I don't want these two to have so much pressure carrying on their shoulders.
No.79091
Anonymous
>>79090
what do you want the /mlp/ host?
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>>79090
They're gonna have to shoulder it until someone who's willing to be the main host for these tournaments steps up, either that or we go a while without a tournament so that the secondary hosts don't get overworked until one of them is either ready to take up NSA's former position or someone else appears who is willing and able to do so.
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>>79083
I am now scared shitless that he will try to do this to Rayman because I mentioned the magma conversation with OFA where he was defensive of NSA. I had drawn my other /v/ mains too, but they luckily didn't qualify this year. I did however mention my fucking /co/ mains in conversation who did well this year.
No.79094
Anonymous
>>79092
Well, they have about 9 months to prepare if no one steps up in that time
No.79095
Anonymous
>>79090
>>79092
I think they're ready, you'd have to ask them about it of course but they seem to have learned all the ins and outs of hosting and are going to have plenty of practice with the /tnt/ tournaments. Either way we got 9 months to figure it out.
No.79096
Anonymous
>>79090
I feel one or both would be fitting to take over as primary hosts, but I have considered trying out hosting a smaller tournament.
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>>79093
>implying NSA will still be hosting in 2024 let alone 2025 when rayman gets back from the E8 hiatus
As one of NightFansAnon's favorites once said: "Haha, fat chance!"
No.79098
Anonymous
Putting aside people pushing for him to retire and all the negative discourse around him now, I do wonder how NightShift feels about his picks right now.

>most have already had people come to their defense and should continue to do well going forward
>yet people are now turning against who's likely his personal favorite
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>>79097
He'll either be gone by 2025, or the tournaments will be dead by 2025, there is no other road that can be taken now.
No.79100
Anonymous
Replies:>>79102
>>79098
Which one's still need someone to vouch for them in the face of RiggerFanAnon?
No.79101
Anonymous
>>79098
Black Hat? Yeah he's fucked. Black Hat won matches solely because of his strong campaign, but seeing as NSA/OFA was the backbone of said campaign, I'd be surprised if he ever got past round 1 again now that people know what they do.
Like you said I think the rest of the characters are fine, at worst someone might try to smear campaign some of them, but I know personally I'll be on the Zim train again for 2025.
No.79102
Anonymous
Replies:>>79109
>>79100
Maybe Wesker?
No.79103
Anonymous
>>79097
Even without hosting, he could come clean about this after getting booted and as one big last fuck you, falsely accuse several other characters of being rigged he doesn't like or have fans that spoke out against him to drag them down with him.
No.79104
Anonymous
Replies:>>79108
>>79103
Granted, would anyone actually listen to him if he said this?
No.79105
Anonymous
Anyone else remember that one time Nightshift RP'd as the goth chick from that hispanic show here on /tnt/ for a post and then deleted it? I got reminded of it after the blackhat post
No.79106
Anonymous
>>79105
When was this again? Vaguely remember something like that happening.
No.79107
Anonymous
>>79105
I remember seeing a screencap of it posted in one of the /co/ threads this year but I didn't save it.
No.79108
Anonymous
>>79104
People would want any picks of his to burn. If he came clean and mentioned his picks already doomed along with saying he was fond of some other characters and rigged them too, people would lash out against those characters in blind rage even if he actually secretly hated them or was just trying to harm his exposers. After the initial confession, anyone else he tried to accuse of rigging would be safe though.
No.79109
Anonymous
>>79102
Hmmm, yeah he could probably use someone to stick up for him since I think he's the second most likely to catch flak now that we know NSA was the drawfag bitching about AM, I think that should be manageable though, Resident Evil has plenty of fans.
No.79110
Anonymous
>>79109
I've got an idea, but we'll need a huge boulder first.
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>>79103
Uh hehe, not like I've been vocal against him with a pretty easy to identify artstyle and character preference or anything like that, oh man that could be a problem if I was
No.79119
Anonymous
>>79115
Wario is not even in the Elite 8 and Loona never even made it past round one. Rigging allegations won't affect them at all. I think you're good.
No.79121
Anonymous
Replies:>>79134
>>79115
Loona is screwed either way since people hate the cartoon she's from but if he decides to target YOU he could also go after Wario, and I don't think anyone here wants to see Wario get spited into oblivion for years because NSA decided to fuck with the tournaments one last time.
No.79123
Anonymous
Replies:>>79128
>>79119
Black Hat and Goo are two characters under scrunity right now. I don't think how far a character got is enough to keep them safe.
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>>79109
Eh, wait a second…
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>>79005
>>79009
>>79013
The Midna win screen was first posted in Ms. /co/ I believe. I remember seeing it as OFA started posting some Wuya art. Here's the original post
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139299894/#139301311
Generally speaking this year's Ms. /co/ was the first time I heard about Onlyfansart and the first time their deviantart got linked during one of the tournaments I believe
No.79126
Anonymous
>>79125
I like his response elsewhere in this thread to a rant some other anon did.

>Right now you see Erisfags, Tophfags and Wuyafags freaking out and trying to smear their opponents.

His response?
>Wuya bro here. I didn’t do shit.

Where was this courtesy for AM or Amaterasu?
No.79127
Anonymous
>>79125
>Wuya bro here. I didn’t do shit.
Holy shit FUCK this faggot Jesus Christ.
No.79128
Anonymous
>>79123
scrutiny*
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>>79125
>People link to OFA profile page
>NSA goes near radio silent ever since
No.79133
Anonymous
>>79131
>goes radio silent
>psyanon is missing
No.79134
Anonymous
>>79119
>>79121
Oh I'm really not worried about Loona, honestly /aco/ was good enough for me. Wario would've been popular had I never even showed up, but it would be nutty if NSA really wanted to say "BTW I rigged Wario"
No.79135
Anonymous
>>79131
Hey speaking of, we should really make sure all of the OFA deviantart pages are achived just in case NSA tries to delete everything to cover his tracks
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>>79125
>Wuyabro here, I didn't do shit
No.79138
Anonymous
>>79135
A similar concern: does NSA own the booru? He might delete it out of spite.
No.79140
Anonymous
>>79138
He’s a moderator on there.
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>>79138
THAT would be the most evil thing he could definitely do, oh shit
No.79142
Anonymous
>>79044
RIGGAtron… I kneel…
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>>79125
>Wuya bro here. I didn't do shit.
No.79144
Anonymous
>>79138
It'd be a dick move, but we wouldn't lose any OC. Worst case scenario we would just have to go back and get all the OC from the anchors again.
No.79145
Anonymous
Replies:>>79152
>>79138
I'm not sure who exactly owns the boorus, but you're free to upload OC onto the wiki if you want somewhere you can use as a backup.
No.79146
Anonymous
>>79138
At least we won't lose anything unless the archives for /co/ and /v/ go down.
No.79147
Anonymous
>tfw I keep folders of my favorite tournament campaigns
No.79148
Anonymous
Actually wait who DOES own the booru? If it's someone who's active here we can just get him to remove NSA as a mod so he doesn't try mass deleting the OC.
No.79149
Anonymous
Replies:>>79154
>>79147
You better have a folder of my campaign in there. I worked so hard and I did it solo.
No.79150
Anonymous
Replies:>>79154
>>79147
If my campaign isn't there I will RAPE your main next year
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>>79135
Do that right now. I tried contacting OFA because no one else was to get a statement, and this was all I got. I even linked the threads for them to visit. I sent later messages over a day ago asking some tournament-related questions about characters and such to clear some things up, then asked them again to show up with another link saying the threads got worse with no response. I tried to be fair, but not making a statement about this publicly is just bad. I also can confirm Deviantart defaults to they/them with the throwaway I made.
No.79152
Anonymous
>>79145
Good idea
No.79153
Anonymous
>>79147
If my main's campaign isn't in your folder than your mother will die in her sleep tonight.
No.79154
Anonymous
>>79149
>>79150
I still need to fully go over this year’s threads, don’t worry. Now it would be a good time to start archiving everything we can find on the current booru.
No.79155
Anonymous
>>79147
Same except it's all my stuff
Replies:>>79159
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>>79151
This response isn't gonna cut it after everything we've uncovered in these threads, a simple denial isn't enough, if there's no meaningful proof that he isn't NSA then this response means nothing.
No.79157
Anonymous
>>79151
>using the "NSA said he isn't familiar with /v/ excuse" when /v/ wasn't even brought up
What the fuck kind of alibi is that?
No.79158
Anonymous
>>79151
NSA IS ALIVE AND AWARE
THE PLOT THICKENS
No.79159
Anonymous
>>79156
That's why I'm posting this. OFA knows.
No.79161
Anonymous
>>79151
Well they are clearly responding then. That said, we need more thorough proof at this point. Some points have been pretty damning, so at minimum explanations of things such as why they pushed the asterisks back in Ms. /co/ 2022 would help a lot.

I WILL say they seemed a bit defensive about not being NSA at a couple points. The “I think he said he doesn’t know or care about /v/“ point in particular was being echoed a couple times when this reponse was given, so it could be a copout.
No.79162
Anonymous
>>79157
>man, have you heard about the craziness been going on around here?
"That's wild, but no. I would have never killed anybody, or stole $3,000 from them. I don't even know who John victim is!"
No.79163
Anonymous
>>79157
Waaaaaait, /v/ HAS been brought up in these threads which he did look at, so I think saying that is fair, still an extremely bad argument after everything that's been uncovered.
No.79164
Anonymous
>>79151
2019, huh?
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=141
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=139
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=137
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>>79151
>I think he said he doesn't know or care about /v/
This is way too obvious, even the normal person to see. Let alone the fact he detracts from the main question entirely and doesn't rebut it in the slightest.
Either he's absolutely clueless or he's actually planning way ahead.
No.79166
Anonymous
Replies:>>79167
We have proof of NSA slipping up and posting support of Black Hat with his trip. What else is there?
No.79167
Anonymous
>>79166
This alone is enough to want him booted out since he's clearly biased and playing favorites when he should be neutral, it's everything else combined with this that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that NSA and OFA are the same person.
No.79168
Anonymous
This feels like that Ace Attorney mission with the police chief
No.79169
Anonymous
>>79151
HOLD UP! He claims that NightShiftAnon wasn’t around for the first Queen and King of /v/. This is already a really specific thing to know, but there’s more! His claim is that the Samus trophy was his first OC for /v/. Why is this relevant?

https://queenkingv.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=90

The booru date for this states it was shared there in 2020. Now this isn’t a death sentence, since it seems some art was just posted there later after the site got off the ground. That said, it may be worth a look if this art was actually shared in 2019 or not. If it was first seen in 2020, that’s not a good look.
No.79170
Anonymous
Replies:>>79174
>>79169
This specific trophy first appeared in 2019, so that's fair.
No.79171
Anonymous
>>79169
Forgot to link it like a jackass but anyways, you can see that it appeared before 2020. https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/Pz9FVM3d-y7k0xRSwyjCJg/
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>>79168
>nightshift when he realizes he is finally SHIT and FINISHED
Replies:>>79201
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No.79174
Anonymous
Replies:>>79178
>>79170
>>79171
>even the same filename style
Well that checks out at least.
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>>79171
>Oldest image is from a iphoneposter
No.79176
Anonymous
>>79171
>When King V comes around I’ll be there to draw the king. [spolier]Fingerscrossed it’s Wesker[/spoiler:lit]
Oh shit
Replies:>>79187
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>>79151
>I don't think NSA was around for the first Queen /v/ or King /v/.
How do you know it and why bring it in the first place?
No.79178
Anonymous
>>79174
That's one piece of proof in their favor against a mountain load of evidence that says otherwise, honestly if this is the only thing they can use to defend themselves then all this proves is that NSA was hanging around /v/ a lot earlier than people realized.
No.79179
Anonymous
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/126320115/#126325391
This isn't even funny
No.79180
Anonymous
>[spolier]Fingerscrossed it’s Wesker[/spoiler:lit]
Man even if this by some miracle ISN'T NSA than this is still a pretty bad look for OFA since it's very clear by now that Wesker was his pick, which means he was the drawfag complaining about AM after Wesker lost.
No.79181
Anonymous
We're so, so close. What is that one thing that TRULY links the muzzles, OFA, and NSA in one neat littlw package? Between Black Hat, map amd E8 images, amd the font it feels pretty damn solid already
Replies:>>79221
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>>79151
So no secrets are being kept, here are the other messages I sent later that OFA never responded to. If anyone else wants to try contacting OFA, go ahead, but I'm done.
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>>79179
This actually just straight up seals the fucking deal.
No.79184
Anonymous
>>79179
>Overly gay for him, but still a homophobe because it's cool
It's not funny, it's fucking hilarious
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>>79179
Gee, what are the odds that NSA's main would happen to be the exact same as a highly talented drawfag because he's too busy being a super secret fed agent who can't spare any time to learn how to draw.
No.79186
Anonymous
Replies:>>79189
Okay, when did NightShift first show up with that name ever? Looking at /co/, he just came out of the blue during qualifiers, so there was SOME prior organization. Was it on here?
No.79187
Anonymous
Replies:>>79190
>>79177
To be fair, he said "think", meaning he isn't sure. It is a somewhat fair assumption, considering NightShift supposedly don't know much about video games and thus probably wouldn't participate in the /v/ tourneys. He brings this up because he was in the /v/ tourneys himself, so if he was there and NightShift wasn't, then they're both different people.
However, there's no way to know if this is true, due to "NightShift" not existing back then.
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>>79179
You can't make this shit up
No.79189
Anonymous
Replies:>>79196
>>79186
>Was it on here?
Yeah.
>>1956
No.79190
Anonymous
>>79187
I still find an issue as to why he actually even brings it up in the first place and detracts from it so quickly.
No.79191
Anonymous
Replies:>>79192
>>1985
Gee would you look at that, he gave out his discord info, and it's the exact same info that the Drawfag gave out.
No.79192
Anonymous
>>79191
That was literally the nexus towards connecting all the circuits.
No.79194
Anonymous
>>79151
All this denial did was just prove that NSA is still willing to lie when confronted with unsurmountable evidence that he's a biased bitch, this was the best he could do, say that he was around for King of /v/ when NSA wasn't (which is absolute bullshit since OFA and NSA are one and the same)?
No.79195
Anonymous
Nothing huge right now, but can share a few tidbits. Here’s the first instance of the OFA account being shared on /co/: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/118260416/#118317370

“NightShiftAnon” in 2017 on /v/ (probably not him, but slightly funny):
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/363922341/#q363926998

First post on there with his trip:
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/577179190/#q577188207
No.79196
Anonymous
>>79189
It's literally just SOMEONE saying that they will help, which means it could be OFA since they/them have been present to the tournaments for a long time prior.
Also, this is OFA's Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/DegenCreations
No.79197
Anonymous
>>79196
Curious about the Discord part. Obviously wouldn’t be the same account, but does have me curious.
No.79198
Anonymous
Replies:>>79224
>>79179
I think I understand why OFA raged at AM despite him being superficially similar to Wesker and Black Hat.
OFA is just a coomer. One of AM's defining traits is that he cannot experience sensory experience, he lacks a body. To people not familiar with his game, like OFA, he is just a giant wall of text.
No.79199
Anonymous
>>79196
>Commission art streams on Discord.
If you really wanted the ultimate and final Coup de Grâce for NSA's claim that he and OFA are different people, seeing that the discord OFA uses for his patreon work is TabithaTwichitt would be it. 'Course he'll probably change it if he hasn't by now, but there would be absolutely no worming his way out of that one.
No.79200
Anonymous
>>79196
>His Patreon icon is my main
Man, this sucks.
No.79201
Anonymous
>>79173
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=43
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=52
https://uncyclopedia.com/wiki/General_Grievous
https://thefinalrumble.miraheze.org/wiki/General_Grievous
Why is this image everywhere including the wrestling streams Battler vs. 47 comes from?
No.79203
Anonymous
Two things that don't add up for me:
1) I don't really get how the drawfag using the same font for drawings proves he's NSA.
2) I don't really like how people here treat Silveranon's word as gospel as if being a psychologist makes one a wizard who can magically tell everything about a person by reading an anonymous post online.
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HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
Goddamit, how come I didn't notice earlier.
I'm pretty sure the other two people who shared their Discords with OFA here were Benson and Livesey's drawanons. Look at the thumbnails in pic related and compare with this screenshot.
>>76880
Notice Spamton below Livesey? Shit, I think now I know why we had Spamton drawfags in the King magmas who weren't interacting with the threads.
No.79205
Anonymous
>>79203
What was the font again? People say it's a rare one.
No.79207
Anonymous
>>79203
>I don't really get how the drawfag using the same font for drawings proves he's NSA.
It doesn’t directly prove it’s NSA. It only ties back a lot of uncredited art back to OFA since it’s quite the unusual font and used in a consistent way. Linking a lot of art back to them was important to confirm Erikafag’s suspicions as well as fuel further discussion. Understanding OFA more is the main reason it relates to NSA.
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>>79203
I don't think you even read half the stuff that makes the connections between NSA and OFA.
Silveranon isn't the only person who brought up evidence for NSA being the drawfag, he simply put up really good points on connecting them. There's SWATHES of proof for NSA being OFA by various anons, not only Silver.
No.79213
Anonymous
>>79168
The implications of this post with stats...
No.79214
Anonymous
>>79045
What is the "betrayal" part in this?
Replies:>>79216
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I really hate how deep in shit OFA is currently considering his art is actually top-notch and as a person seemed legitimately chill.
No.79216
Anonymous
>>79215
Well on the brightside all the other drawfags will look like saints in comparison. OFA took one for the team.
No.79218
Anonymous
A little off-topic but I've been reading OFA as One For All
No.79219
Anonymous
>>79218
More like All for One.
No.79220
Anonymous
>>79020
It would be even better than Skeletor managing to break his eternal fifth and become the first Elite Eight winner for Mr. /co/
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>>79179
This is worse than I imagined...
>>79182
Wow I wonder why he hasn't replied yet.
No.79222
Anonymous
>>79218
AFO will save us.
No.79224
Anonymous
>>79198
You can absolutely coom to AM though if you're imaginative enough. Hell you could easily coom to that entire Elite Eight without an issue.
No.79225
Anonymous
>>79224
You can coom to literally anyone so that's kind of a moot point.
No.79226
Anonymous
>>79224
Shallow coomers aren't going to bother getting imaginative enough.
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Deus Ex - 002 - Intro Sequenceyoutube thumb
>NSA: Your appointment to /co/ should be finalized within the week. I've already discussed the matter with the jannies.
>Ghost: I take it they were agreeable?
>NSA: They didn't really have a choice.
>Ghost: Have they been contacted?
>NSA: Ah yes, most certainly. When I mentioned we could put them on the priority list for the rigging, they were so willing it was almost pathetic.
>Ghost: These tourneys — the rioting is intensifying to the point where we may not be able to contain it.
>NSA: Why contain it? Let it spill over into the threads and boards. Let the seething pile up in the site. In the end, they'll beg us to save them.
>Ghost: I've received reports of falseflags on threads. There's not enough rigging to go around, and the anons are starting to get desperate.
>NSA: Of course they're desperate. They can smell their bans, and the sound they'll make rattling their cages will serve as a warning to the rest.
>Ghost: Hmm. I hope you're not underestimating the problem. The others may not go as quietly as you think. Intelligence indicates they're behind the problems in /v/.
>NSA: A bunch of pretentious anons playing at running the tourneys, but the tourneys left them behind long ago. We are the future!
>Ghost: We have other problems.
>NSA: /tnt/?
>Ghost: Formed by plus4chan after the tournaments. I have someone in place though. I'm more concerned about Ballsanon. He's MIA.
>NSA: Our rigging is far in advance of theirs, as is our electronic sentience, and their... ethical inflexibility has allowed us to make progress in areas they refuse to consider.
>Ghost: The /a/ tourney?
>NSA: Among other things, but I must admit that I've been somewhat disappointed with the performance of the primary unit.
>Ghost: The secondary unit should be online soon. It's currently undergoing preparations and should be operational within six months. My people will continue to report on its progress. If necessary, the primary will be terminated.
>NSA: We've had to endure much, you and I, but soon there will be order again — a new age. GameFAQs spoke of the mythical Noble Nine. Soon that will be a reality, and we will be crowned its kings, or better than kings: Gods!
No.79231
Anonymous
You know realize the main reason he never sought an alternative for forms wasn't because they were expensive, it was because forms is his best method to rig the polls.
No.79236
Anonymous
Replies:>>79242
>>79204
The only person OFA is "Watching" (subbed to) on Deviantart is a someone that likes and has drawn Spamton.
Replies:>>79263
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>>79236
>https://www.deviantart.com/jiji-da-cool
>Profile comments
>Oct 17, 2023
>OnlyFansart: Blessed work. You classy lady.
No.79263
Anonymous
Replies:>>79266
>>79242
Aw that really isn't weird, I comment on art all the time
No.79266
Anonymous
>>79263
What I find weird is how the comment was posted 2 days after Mr. /co/ had ended.
No.79267
Anonymous
Replies:>>79269
Is it possible that NSA and the tabitha discord user are a separate Black Hat drawfag from OFA? The latter has links to /v/ since the first tournament >>79171, but NSA has repeatedly been shown to be a huge /co/ homeboarder. NSA has also said multiple times that Mr. /co/ is the main tournament he cares about and he HAS tried to pass off the Ms. /co/ and /v/ tournaments in the past. I don't see that lining up with the OFA deviantart who has Midna and Wuya fanart going back years.

That still leaves the question about how some of the Fang victory art got completed so quickly, which would require NSA and OFA to still be affiliated in some way. We do have precedent of NSA contacting OC makers to make stuff for the Winner announcement with Psyanon.

I'm trying to catch-up, so if there's any other strong links between NSA and OFA then the tabitha discord let me know
No.79269
Anonymous
>>79267
>but NSA has repeatedly been shown to be a huge /co/ homeboarder.
>NSA has also said multiple times that Mr. /co/ is the main tournament he cares
These points would actually been good if we weren't talking about what's potentially a massive fraud. NSA is anonymous meaning he can freely lie and get away scot free because there wasn't any evidence until he linked his discord account.

There is also a really interesting point that nobody has mentioned and that is, why even host the /v/ tournaments? Originally /v/ and /co/ hosts were actually separated. Statanon never hosted a /v/ tournament, they were instead hosted by bracket and domino anons.
NSA for some reason stepped in WILLINGLY despite claiming not to be a "/v/ browser" and still hosted the tournament. He could've literally not given a damn about /v/ tournaments if he was a /co/ only browser...

That is, unless NSA is not telling the truth.
No.79271
Anonymous
>>79269
Clearly he wasn’t content with rigging just 2 tournaments.
Replies:>>79277
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>>79269
>"Originally /v/ and /co/ hosts were actually separated."
>Check the wikis
>Its true
Replies:>>79278
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>Be ANEgroid
>Pop outta nowhere announcing a /his/ tourney
>Reduce the nominations to the first 64 nominees
>Gives a good explanation why
>All the best historical figures are nominated
>Tournament goes smoothly
>Kino elite eight
>Kino winner
>Finishes tourney
>Leaves
>No controversy
No.79277
Anonymous
>>79272
The /v/ hosts for the first two years were pretty good too. They were chill, did the job well and didn't pull any bullshit or cause drama, but unfortunately they went the way of Stats.
No.79278
Anonymous
>>79274
We don't deserve him
No.79283
Blaster
>>79031
>Transforms and attacks Megatron.
No.79284
Anonymous
Replies:>>79290
>>79044
What about Optimus?
No.79285
Anonymous
>>79011
Space Ghost isn't totally Adult Swim. The original cartoon is from the 1960s.
No.79287
Anonymous
>>78969
I myself count it.
No.79288
Anonymous
>>79097
Vegeta on ice!
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>>79204
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/660240802/#q660244378
>they siphon away OC and participation
"Braindead take. OC went up because of the quick nature of the drawpile. Drawfags only draw when they want to. Drawpiles make them want to draw (because they get inspired by each other). If the thread made them want to draw, then they’d draw ITT. But obviously they didn’t want to."

Another post clearly written by OFA.
No.79295
Anonymous
>>79044
>>79290
Are Shattered Glass Transformers eligible for Heroes and Villains?
No.79296
Anonymous
>>79294
I still don't get the point of drawing a bunch of magma art and sharing nothing with the threads themselves.
No.79298
Anonymous
Replies:>>79305
>>79294
NSA must really not appreciate the fact that people were calling him and the other magma artists out for not sharing their OC in the threads.
No.79299
Anonymous
Replies:>>79301
>>79296
Perhaps because they don't actually give a shit about the tournament and just want to circlejerk each other in their Discord clique
No.79300
Anonymous
>>79296
I don't get it either. I have enjoyed drawing in the magmas before, but I wait until all my mains are gone or when the tournament is over. I need all the time I can get to make dedicated OC for my mains in the actual threads.
Replies:>>79330
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>>79299
Take into account that those artists might be completely unaware of OFA's double identity. Livesey and Benson's anons are 2023 newcomers, they have no context of previous years.
No.79304
Anonymous
Replies:>>79306
>>79296
I didn't bother drawing anything for those because, one I don't draw well, but second I don't see the point; I'm not compelled to draw something in them.
Also, the map started being done because someone said people should do more "unity stuff", drawing together. I feel like that person might be OFA who then decided to start the map. Then later, we have these Magmas, things were people draw together, probably also started by OFA.
No.79305
Anonymous
>>79298
They could've at least posted the finished magmas or take a screenshot or two like what was done during Mr. /co/ and Queen of /v/.
No.79306
Anonymous
Replies:>>79307
>>79304
I feel like magmas should only be posted in the Afterparty otherwise it just takes participation away from the tournament threads and a lot of OC in the magmas never gets shared, either because the drawfag just doesn't post it or because it gets erased before he does. I prefer OC where drawfags make pictures in reply to other posts/OC anyways, the magma stuff is usually just a bunch of disconnected drawings that happen to share the same canvas
To be far I'm not sure if magmas will even be done after this seeing as NSA/OFA was the main one pushing for them and he likely have FLED when the next tournament comes raound
No.79307
Anonymous
>>79306
Both Eggman and Grimm had a bunch of really fun stuff with that, one Anon would draw Eggman in a vatican robot sent to take on demifiend and then different anons would draw Eggman using the same Robot, Grimm and John Ward had a back-and-forth storyline of them fighting monsters. That kind of stuff is fun, it's much more organic
Also Magma just feels awful to use when you're used to high responsivity because Magma is very choppy
No.79308
Anonymous
>asked if the magmas were really SHIT and FINISHED after King ended because I had fun in the Afterparty one and others seemed to enjoy them
>they really were SHIT and FINISHED
No.79310
Anonymous
Replies:>>79313
I wonder if the number of votes needed to Qualify will be higher than 2022 once NSA is gone.
No.79313
Anonymous
>>79310
I can't tell. i'd really like to know what the fuck really happened with the vote numbers tanking to half her previous turnout last ms. /co/. If NSA was removing hundreds of rigs, how certain those rigs actually were, or if there really was a mass leave and filtering because of the e-mail stuff. But we're probably never going to know as none of the hosts will ever say (note coayy and samaritanon were not yet co-hosting this one).
No.79330
Anonymous
Replies:>>79342
>>79301
I think we should inform these two people of the existence of this thread. They MUST HAVE talked with OFA in private.
No.79336
Anonymous
Replies:>>79360
Has anyone gone through all the Black Hat OC over the years and seen if there's any other style that might stand out against what OFA has done? I do believe there's a good chance he's actually NSA, but if there's any case that's not true I feel that would have to be a thing with how much the latter has expressed his love for the character.
No.79342
Anonymous
Replies:>>79345
>>79330
Yeah. It would be horrible if they got dragged down by this drama if they are innocent bystanders.
No.79345
Anonymous
>>79342
I don't think anybody is dragging them. Anon was probably saying we can get more info out of them.
No.79360
Anonymous
>>79336
I went through the old booru.

OFA outright mentions liking Jack Spicer on his DeviantArt account, so this one checks out:
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=305
The earliest pieces of Black Hat on the booru all use his same market style we've seen in places like the asterisk art from 2022 or the Goofy art this year:
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=220
Hmm, this one seems familiar:
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=381
In hindsight, this one is more humorous:
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=795

Could keep going on, but it's clear that a vast majority of BH's art was indeed by OnlyFansart. These go back to 2020 for clarity's sake. It's clear he's been Black Hat's most vocal supporter by a long shot. Not an issue on its own obviously and this art is great in its own right, but it does go back to the point if there's ANY notable OC not involving said art.

This one seems pretty distinct from OFA's other Black Hat art in 2020, but then you go back to the marker drawing from above and it seems to be quite the character overlap. Maybe I'm forgetting some short-term alliance here, but it seems to be quite the coincidence:
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=415

This piece is very likely NOT done by OFA with the distinct art style and amount of detail relative to the time period, but it's also not focused solely on Black Hat:
https://mrco.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=295
There's also a couple light edits featuring screencaps from other shows, but that's a different ballpark.

In short terms, unless it wasn't recorded on the booru there's very little art of Black Hat here that's NOT able to be tied back to OFA in one way or another. Unless there's a piece of the puzzle missing here, if NightShift was doing even semi-frequent art of him it's hard to pick out what he might have even done.
No.79365
Anonymous
Man I hope I never do something to piss you guys off, this is better investigation than most murders get
No.79368
Anonymous
>>79360
>The one art that doesn't completely line up with OFA's other drawings of Black Hat is made up entirely of Tumblr Sexymen (the one with Black Hat, Bill and Alastor) which is OFA's preferred tastes
Fucking second time I've had to make this post but anyways, it really is looking like Black Hat was carried heavily by OFA in these tournaments, the odds of him not being FINISHED like Captain America look pretty bad.
No.79375
Anonymous
With so much information on the table now, the question goes back to whether NSA actually tampered with results or simply just resorted to the shitflinging people have dug up.

https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJGAYJKy3
No.79376
Anonymous
>>79375
Meant Goo in 2023, sorry.
No.79387
Anonymous
>>79375
Given that NSA/OFA previously stated that in reference to Wuya winning that he doesn't find winning to be that important because he would miss her being in the tournaments, and that he finds the E8 itself to be a lot more important, I am willing to believe he tampered with the results in the E8 but not the actual wins; this would perfectly explain why he allowed Zim to lose to Skeletor for instance. I can't be 100% certain of that but it fits.
What I am 100% certain of is the qualifier big rigs (cucking mr. boss on "accident" to get livesey in, getting goo a high seed the same year he became intersetd in her, jjj/nyarly etc) and him fucking over Gardevoir and Muffet because he doesn't want to risk "furry picks" getting into the E8 like they did in his dreaded Ms. /co/ 2022.
Replies:>>79398
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This post is kind of hilarious in hindsight.
No.79393
Anonymous
>>79375
>that single "I don't have a real problem with NightShiftAnon / I feel skeptical about all this speculation"
Even ignoring the mountains of evidence, how do you explain him showing support for Black Hat with his trip not just one but two times?
No.79394
Anonymous
>>79393
I didn't include the option because I agreed with it, to clarify on that.
No.79397
Anonymous
>>79393
That one vote is either a funpost, or someone who's worried that we might get an even shittier host if we boot out NSA.
No.79398
Anonymous
>>79391
>King Kong
But he first appeared in a book, yet Robbie Rotten was allowed under that clause? Then again, Robbie does fit the "Tumblr sexyman" archetype.
No.79400
Anonymous
>>79393
Oh no, the facts show that NightShiftanon is very likely to be OnlyFansart, but I chose that option because him actually rigging is uncertain.
He may campaign and have his own opinions on characters, but I believe every other host also does so too.
No.79401
Anonymous
>>79400
The hosts HAVE to be neutral, if they're campaigning with their trips off then they're fundamentally biased and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position of power.
No.79402
Anonymous
>>79400
Ah ok, then I understand.
No.79403
Anonymous
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>Remember there was a template anon which made the elite eight images and such
>Threw a temper tantrum when Goth chicks won tag teams
>Refused to make an elite eight pic for tag team
>Goth Chicks had Loona in it

I FUCKING CRACKED A CODE
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>>79401
Man, I remember those few people that absolutely reamed Ballsanon for making Ashley the OP picture several threads in a row during Queen 2022, or saying "Guys, I drank a Pepsi and now my tummy hurts"
Wnder how they would've felt seeing all of this
No.79407
Anonymous
>>79398
Oh no wonder he hates King Kong he's a furry character I guess
No.79408
Anonymous
>>79405
Tag-team is the most blatantly rigged tourneys in 4chan history and don't deserve art
No.79409
Anonymous
>>79405
Why do we have so many people who throw bitch fits over furries, like them or not if they can be nominated and then qualify for a tournament then they very clearly have a place in them, let them win or lose on their own merits instead of doing this gay rigging shit.
No.79411
Anonymous
Replies:>>79412
>>79409
It's "cool" to hate them, simple as.
No.79412
Anonymous
>>79411
According to such board culture for grandpas when even moot had that fursona
No.79413
Anonymous
>>79401
You want someone that doesn't care about the tournaments to host, but who would host these if they don't care about them? A host can have characters they like, they however should not rig the tournament in their favour, obviously.
Think of tournaments as parties, you want the hosts to be like janitors, cleaning and running the place but not allowed to have fun in any way, shape or form; while I think hosts are the party hosts, they get the place ready but still have fun like the guests.
The hosts shouldn't campaign and say who tell like with their trips, of course, since that gets some people mad and those might spitevote the characters because of it. There's nothing wrong with them doing it anonymously, because they are still anons in the end.
Also, hosting shouldn't be considered a "position of power", the hosts aren't above other anons, they are just like everyone but do the service of having and advancing the tournament.
No.79414
Anonymous
Replies:>>79420
>>79413
The real winning play then would be if your favorite character already won
No.79416
Anonymous
Replies:>>79421
>>79413
>Hosting shouldn't be considered a position of power
>The only host we have who's biased and is campaigning is the same host that said >>78869
No.79420
Anonymous
Replies:>>79421
>>79413
>>79414
It should not be a herculean task to get a host who cares about the tournament that also isn't biased and is trying to push his picks with his trip off.
No.79421
Anonymous
Replies:>>79423
>>79416
Yes, NightShift is a retard. My statement still stands, hosting should not be considered a "position of power".

>>79420
The whole point in having the threads is to campaign for characters that you presumably like (and no, I'm not saying that votes should be decided purely by campaigning). You want a host that cares about the tournament but doesn't care about ANY character? AND is willing to host, something that nearly everyone doesn't want to do? I don't think you're gonna find someone like that, at best you're gonna get someone who just doesn't say that they do.
No.79423
Anonymous
>>79421
I want a host that cares about the tournaments AND the characters, but not enough to try and participate himself and violate the policy of being neutral.
No.79425
Anonymous
Replies:>>79428
>>79423
Oh hell, at least wasn't a hateful dick
Basically nobody gave a fuck about whatever Ballsanon could've done because he was friendly, even without this everybody still hates Nightshift
No.79426
Anonymous
Replies:>>79431
>>79405
>>79409
It wasn't just about furries. >>79419
No.79428
Anonymous
Replies:>>79447
>>79423
If you care about the characters, you aren't neutral, simply because you will like certain characters more over others. To like every character equally is to not care about the characters.

>>79425
The actual problem with NightShift is that he's a fucking retard that did (and is still doing) dumb stuff. I don't give a shit if he likes and draws a character he likes (unless he actually tempers with the votes in that character's favour), it's thing like the damn whitelist that I hate.
No.79431
Anonymous
>>79426
>>79405
To put it simple: Temp fucked up during nominations and got the threads moved to /trash/ where it lasted for many hours and got the attention of a handful of lurkers even some linking /tnt/ in that thread. Long after Temp's meltdown and getting his own ass banned Coayy and Samaritanon would host Tag-team 2023 and starting round 3 everything went downhill
No.79432
Anonymous
>>79423
Wanting a host that competley doesn't participate is troublesome cause only a tourney autist would want to host in the first place. Like I said before I don't see a problem in host participation inherently. The neutrality just extends to not actually tampering with the votes.
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You know I still really hate Nominations being 24 hours, every year the rush to nominate the actually good characters gets even faster. Past the 3rd thread everything is either repeats, jokes, or beyond pitiful never-evers (what do you fucking mean you don't love Greg Heffley's play director that was in like five pages of Diary of a Wimpy Kid, she's so iconic guys I samefagged ten yous for her).
Hell, King /v/ didn't waste any time. By round 2 everything important was entered.
I wish it could be cut down to 12 hours so I don't have to scroll through 900+ fucking characters every single years, and also give the extra time to Qualifiers, the most crucial round of the tournament for any pick not immediately powerhouse material
No.79434
Anonymous
>>79398
Diverting a bit, kind of a shame that Robbie Rotten hasn't done anything thus far. I think he could make for a fun campaign, but I just have a lot of shifted focus during Mr. /co/.
No.79436
Anonymous
I'd like to add it's not just about the fact that NSA/OFA campaigns for characters that he likes but also that he launches smear campaigns against the characters and voters thereof that he dislikes. Remember that we traced NSA to OFA and then OFA to the Muzzlefag, meaning NSA was spending the entirety of Loser's Finals and Grand Finals spamming posts about how Ammy voters are worthless entitled pieces of shit instead of addressing any concerns people were having about the tournament (he made balls take the fall for that one).
Naturally NSA/OFA would have good reason to do something like say, make sure that Amaterasu (the character whose fans he actively hates) loses in favor of SHODAN (the character he began drawfagging for).
Again you can see why the host actively voicing very strong feelings towards a particular character, especially when he has the ability to fabricate results by keeping the google forms closed, does not end well.
No.79437
Anonymous
>>79433
I have been saying for years now that nomination threads should be capped at around 4 or 5 and qualifier time extended. It would also give hosts more time to properly order the form since that seems to be the most jacked up round to set up.
No.79438
Anonymous
Replies:>>79443
>>79433
The reason is purely timezones, it's best to have it be consistent with other rounds. Even with a full day, there are still some apparently "good" characters that get forgotten.
No.79439
Anonymous
Replies:>>79519
>>79433
>Hell, King /v/ didn't waste any time. By round 2 everything important was entered.
Not really true in that example, there were some really big entries all the way to the last thread like Sonic, and I didn't see other big names like Edgeworth entered until later threads. Ms. /co/ on the other hand I definitely agree with, past round 2 was just nothing but memes or Augie-tier literally who characters.
No.79443
Anonymous
Replies:>>79444
>>79433
>>79437
What >>79438 said. Even with the 24 hours, we get years where people forget to nominate Carl and Jetstream Sam. It's just not fair to only have nominations half as long as the other rounds.
No.79444
Anonymous
Replies:>>79450
>>79437
>>79443
Capping threads wouldn't work anyways, as you might have seen people would post their obscure/meme picks in the first round presumably for a better chance to get the required replies for a nomination. That problem would be compounded if there were a limited amount of threads, since with less slots they could take nomination slots from the "worthwhile" picks and then have more of a chance to qualify with less characters to compete with over the 128.
It's not perfect but I do think the current system works the best.
No.79447
Anonymous
Replies:>>79454
>>79428
His rules are retarded and we should have gotten rid of him after Ms. /co/ this year, but it does matter if he campaigns for a character he likes even if he doesn't tamper with the votes. If people find out about it, it will ruin a character's reputation and have them accused of rigging.
No.79450
Anonymous
Replies:>>79458
>>79444
There isn't even a problem with obscure or meme picks in themselves, they can be quite entertaining even if they don't get in the tournament (like Dr. T). What sucks is people nominating characters for the sake of nominating characters, which while it ends up with a ton of literal whos, can still include "good' characters.
No.79451
Anonymous
>>79436
This.
No.79452
Anonymous
Replies:>>79603
>>79434
I would totally campaign for Robbie but I just don't have the time to fully commit to him and my other mains simultaneously.
No.79453
Anonymous
>>79433
Jetstream Sam was left out even with 24 hours and he’s a pick with a lot of fans, I think the 24 hours is necessary even if it feels like the threads start to become dragged out after the first 3.
No.79454
Anonymous
Replies:>>79460
>>79447
That's what I said here >>79413
>The hosts shouldn't campaign and say who tell like with their trips, of course, since that gets some people mad and those might spitevote the characters because of it.
No.79457
Anonymous
>>79436
This. Learning he campaigns behind the scenes and even makes art is already a concern, but at the same time if he was being civil about it he might have gotten off easier. (Might be best if he stepped away from Ms. /co/ and Queen considering the circumstances, but he shouldn't have been a primary host for four tournaments anyways.) Hell, if he campaigned only in tournaments he did not host, it wouldn't be a real issue at all. The fact that he has been found to very likely smear others not only raises potential distrust in him, but just makes him seem more undesirable across the board. We already have two cases where he's targeted other picks in AM and Amaterasu, and this is not going into the other probable cases that have been brought up. How long is he going to keep at this?
No.79458
Anonymous
>>79450
>Dr. T's campaigner bought a $200 figurine just for King of /v/ this year
I have no idea why that guy is so dedicated to a mobile game character but god damn do I love it
No.79459
Anonymous
>>79458
>I have no idea why that guy is so dedicated to a mobile game character
Simple, it's funny and they like the character. Same can be applied to every character that isn't a big character/seems like a joke but still gets consistent campaigning, like the guy who likes the Grox, Oogie and Bramball.
Campaigning is fun and some people just like weird characters.
No.79460
Anonymous
>>79413
>>79454
Keep in mind the past few days have been us finding out so the point they can campaign anonymously doesn't matter when we can still figure things out. Humans make mistakes and one mistake could lead us down another rabbit hole. Hosts shouldn't campaign period. Any time they could be spending on campaigning should be spent being available to answer questions anyone might have or making sure things run smoothly. Remember how frustrated everyone got with NSA ignoring them.
No.79461
Anonymous
>>79458
He feels like a more thought-out version of Charles in terms of the marketing material that anon always works off. Could make for fun campaign potential, but unfortunately it's a pretty tough road to qualify in King of /v/.

If it's any reassurance to his supporter, he DID go up ten votes this time in qualifiers.
No.79462
Anonymous
Replies:>>79471
>>79458
Now he has to buy the silver Dr. T figure.
No.79463
Anonymous
Replies:>>79468
>>79460
>Remember how frustrated everyone got with NSA ignoring them.
I wasn't even thinking that much on it, but you're certainly right. It was already frustrating, but the point he was likely there all along and happy to work on campaigning makes it even worse.
No.79465
Anonymous
>>79461
>it's a pretty tough road to qualify in King of /v/.
Still pretty surprised that some of the characters I liked seriously qualified
No.79466
Anonymous
Could it be stated at this point that Ammy has had the biggest significance of any runner-up or non-winner character?
No.79467
Anonymous
>>79460
>the past few days have been us finding out [who NightShift campaigns for]
Again, the main problem here is that NightShift is a retard and people hate him for it, and also gave out his Discord that he should have known that people knew.
>Any time they could be spending on campaigning should be spent being available to answer questions anyone might have or making sure things run smoothly
That can still be done while campaigning, it's just that, once again, NightShift is a fucking retard.
No.79468
Anonymous
>>79463
It's a bit harsh, but hosts just can't campaign. Maybe we could have hosts that try to do things like Psyanon does where they have a mostly neutral OC thing that covers everyone if they really want to get along with the threads, but they should primarily focus on keeping us informed, answering questions, and keeping things going smoothly. I personally have fun just reading the threads and sometimes not even getting involved because of how absolutely insane campaigns and roleplays can get. It's like a show to me.
No.79469
Anonymous
Replies:>>79479
>>79466
She is at the very least tied with Spinel since none of this evidence that will likely lead to NSA getting booted out would have surfaced without her.
No.79470
Anonymous
Replies:>>79478
>>79466
Non-winner is a tough call, but she's high up there as a runner-up. Ammy has been a powerhouse in every tournament she's been in thus far, a lot of memorable art and match-ups have come out of her, she'll likely be the only one to ever face off in a losers finals, she basically decanonized said losers finals, etc. The muzzle art and everything that came of that is just on top of all this.

While on the subject, who else would stick out as significant runner-ups in terms of overall impact?
Replies:>>79483
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>>79462
I'll be sure to pour one out for his wallet
No.79472
Anonymous
>>79468
This, there’s other ways to participate that don’t involve campaigning.
No.79475
Anonymous
>>79468
Participating should not conflict with running a tourney efficiently if you're actually attentive, competent, and/or NEET (which you should be if you're doing this anyways).
No.79476
Anonymous
It's been a while. What happened to Brackets again?
No.79477
Anonymous
Replies:>>79501
>>79461
If he somehow does qualify next year, he'd be on-par with Johnny Cage and James Sunderland when it comes to great newcomers, same with Kageaki. Those two have always been great in the threads.
No.79478
Anonymous
Replies:>>79480
>>79470
Daffy. Him beating Jack in 2020 let the gay wedding happen which opened the floodgates for roleplaying.
No.79479
Anonymous
>>79469
Spinel is possibly the single most influential character. Up there I'd also put maybe recette (if you really wanna stretch out the implications of her win and its nature and how she's still debated), and the first year winners by default for setting the standard (except maybe Samus for oddly not getting talked about at all). And then of course you'd have an utter tourney culture meme force like Battler.
No.79480
Anonymous
Replies:>>79488
>>79478
Shit yeah i forgot about Daffy. Him beating Jack by one vote is probably the single most important moment in tourney history. This board and a huge sum of tourney lore might not exist if it weren't for that.
No.79481
Anonymous
Replies:>>79484
>>79479
It would be fun to analyze some of the brackets in hindsight, and out of them I'd actually say Queen 2019 is one of the most interesting to me. The tournament has the same solid Elite Eight expected of an inaugural tournament, and on top of that most of the returning girls have left some impact later on (aside from ironically Peach). Still, the tournament also doesn't get talked about much in hindsight, and despite being agreed to be a great winner Samus is the least discussed winner thus far from Queen.
No.79484
Anonymous
>>79481
I feel had Samus not won 2019 she would've ended up in the Fio and Tifa camp as a constant silent powerhouse and filter jobber. Can't say the same for the other year one winners, who all feel capable winning their tourney over again. Not that I dislike Samus or think her a weak winner. She's a proper enough first queen.
No.79485
Anonymous
>>79484
I think if she lost 2019 then Metroid Dread would have likely given her a severe boost in 2021 and she could have won then.
No.79486
Anonymous
Replies:>>79489
>>79485
You think she could have truly stopped THE one and only cuckqueen underdoggy Recette?
No.79488
Anonymous
>>79480
I remember people wanting to do a second Tag-Team to continue the roleplay fun from Mr. /co/ 2020 and the gay wedding, but it got banned on the main /co/ because of Fusefag so we ended up hosting it on Plus4chan's /co/ and it ended up being a lot of autistic fun then we decided we would do it again next year and this board was made sometime before we hosted Tag-Team 2021. It takes me back. I hope we can finally have a good Tag-Team again next week.
No.79489
Anonymous
Replies:>>79576
>>79486
Recette would have stomped SHITmus then started begging her AU 2021 King, Ridley, to cuck her with King K. Rool.
No.79490
Anonymous
Replies:>>79492
>>79484
>>79485
Actually, I imagine this would probably have let Ridley perform better in the King tournaments. Though being from the same franchise as a winner never stopped other series so maybe Ridley is just a natural jobber
No.79491
Anonymous
Replies:>>79495
>>79484
I do get where you're coming from here, and not denying she could have ended up in more of a limbo state. That said, I do think it's worth remembering that Samus has a lot going for her. She's had prior history doing well in character tournaments of this vein (see the Noble Nine), /v/ generally loves Metroid, and she's a classic sex icon in gaming on top of all that. I would say her future performances would generally be quite impressive based on all this. As said by >>79485, Metroid Dread would have also given her serious energy upon her initial return. Part of the reason 2021 ended up so crazy was the surprise losses of key powerhouses earlier on, so if Samus had enough fuel to return to Elite Eight it's hard to say how much that would have skewed everything else. She'd have some challenge, but I do think Samus could stand as a tournament winner even nowadays.
No.79492
Anonymous
>>79490
It's really hard to judge Ridley. He definitely should have made at least third round by now if he was an overt serious contender, yet at the same time he has had some tougher matches over the years. I do wonder if a campaign could turn things around for him.
No.79495
Anonymous
Replies:>>79497
>>79491
Right but for all that I don't think i've ever seen a single post about her in a tourney context that wasn't just listing previous winners. It makes me skeptical meta-wise. Bravo, Jenny, and Armstrong still get brought up and favorably quite a bit. Especially Jenny and Armstrong.
No.79497
Anonymous
Replies:>>79498
>>79495
Problem is that campaigning has evolved a lot over the years, and Samus has never gotten to be a part of most of it. It doesn't help that the other queens have all had some notable happenstances around them to increase discussion. If we're talking discussion, Metroid is still a frequent presence on /v/. There's just not much wild to say about Samus. Armstrong is more of a /v/-core winner in comparison for one, meaning he's going to stand out somewhat against one of the most popular female video game characters period.
No.79498
Anonymous
>>79497
Which all leads me to believe more so she'd likely be a "silent majority popularity" pick in succeeding years, as she's not especially distinctive and /v/ engaging enough. But I'd like to imagine I'm wrong as I do like Samus a lot.
No.79500
Anonymous
Replies:>>79503
Now I wanna rank winners by tourney impact/visibility after they won (rp, fanart, discussion, meta effect) whether good or bad.
Spinel > Fang > Jenny > Garland > Batter > Recette > Armstrong > Zorak > Reimu > Bravo > Midna > Grievous > Monarch > Dante > Betty > Tom > Kronk > Samus
This years winners are too soon.
No.79501
Anonymous
>>79477
Kageaki and Nanaya/Toho are so much better than Battler as the meme VN pick its unreal.
No.79502
Anonymous
>>79499
Well actually the horror WILL end because we'll finally have a tournament free of NSA's utter faggotry, only took us a couple years but that ought to be refreshing
On the subject, what are some rules and policies originating from NSA? Off the top of my head there's randomized seeds, moving the voting link to the OC anchor, /v/ winner series limit, and forms being closed in favor of documents (naturally there's more i didn't list, feel free to bring them up). Which ones do you want to keep and which ones should go?
Personally I think forms being closed 100% should not be a thing, that should've been obvious after Mr. /co/ 2018. /v/ winner series limit is kind of retarded and I'd like to be able to vote that out, and I don't care much for randomized seeds/the OC anchor location one way or another.
No.79503
Anonymous
Replies:>>79508
>>79500
I don't know where I'd rank them, but Garland should definitely be lower than Batter and Recette. Samus should be higher for being the winner of the first /v/ tournament.
No.79504
Anonymous
Replies:>>79507
>>79502
>moving the voting link to the OC anchor
Eh, I get the intent behind it, but it's also an extra step that feel somewhat unnecessary. I don't mind keeping it since it shouldn't be THAT big of a filter, but just going back to the previous format would feel more natural.

>randomized seeds
This one is somewhat controversial, but I've mostly liked the randomized brackets we've gotten. Oddly enough, I feel it also balances out by the end. I'm fine keeping this one.

>/v/ winner series limit
This one is already debatable, but having it on top of the E8 limit is ridiculous. The fact it wasn't given a fair vote makes it even worse.

>forms being closed in favor of documents
This one is really dumb, especially if there's really not much editing going on to the forms. That said, I wouldn't mind keeping the reveal format and having the forms open afterwards for transparency.
No.79505
Anonymous
>>79502
You're forgetting the biggest one (loser's bracket).
I'm honestly not a big fan of any of them in principal, as I don't think the tourney should be rule pushed into a more campaign-centric thing. But a neutered loser's bracket, randomization, and OC anchor link are inoffensive enough that they might never change by consensus.
No.79507
Anonymous
>>79504
They could just make a post saying "Voting is closed and form results are now open: [form link]", that's how it used to be done as I recall and that's how it's done for the side tournaments too. Which again makes the documents even more pointless, the only thing the documents do is make everyone wait an hour for the results and make it unclear to what extent NSA is manipulating the official results.
No.79508
Anonymous
>>79503
I only put him there cause Garland got trashed and argued about incessantly this last year lol. In the future he probably will fade lower though.
No.79509
Anonymous
Replies:>>79510
>>79502
>randomized seeds
Randomized seeds has a lot in favor and against it so I could go either way.
>moving the voting link to the OC anchor
The amount of people that couldn't find the voting link was pretty eye opening and funny so I would keep it on the OC anchor. At worst, we get slightly less silentfags and the people that actually care to speak in the threads we can direct ourselves.
>/v/ winner series limit
I think it serves at least a good purpose in /v/ with how much harsher qualifying is in those tournaments than other ones and how a repeat series winner is still unlikely making more picks a waste, but I don't agree with removing a slot if they are in E8 because it makes it harder for series that hasn't won yet to win. Keep the winner series limit and remove the E8 series limit.
>forms being closed in favor of documents
One of the most shady things ever. Yeah, remove it. Also
>remove the whitelist in /v/ and add a grandfather rule instead
No.79510
Anonymous
>>79502
>randomized brackets
Good, it's more interesting that way. I think every round should be randomized.
>voting link in anchor
Having the link not be the first thing in the OP is good, it means people do need to at least enter the thread to vote. Having it in the anchor is not the best, though, since people will sometimes reply to the voting link and thus anchor something not meant to be anchored.
>winner series limit
It has pros and cons, it sucks for certain characters but it might be best overall to have it.
>forms being closed in favour of documents
No, this is dumb.
>Loser's bracket
Crown steal is not good, but the bracket itself means characters can keep getting campaigned, which is nice. Still, I voted no for it.
>The fucking whitelist
Fuck the whitelist, it completely retarded, literally just allowing characters that shouldn't be in because of funposters voting for them being allowed. Remove it. Replace it with a simple rule of "Character not originally from video games but known for them", i.e. "if I look up this character's name, will it bring up video games?"

>>79509
>Grandfather rule instead
Too fucking late.
No.79511
Anonymous
Replies:>>79513
>>79510
It's not too late. A lot of whitelist didn't make it. It's best to stop it now before it gets more out of hand.
No.79512
Anonymous
Replies:>>79513
>>79510
So just so we're clear these are the only acceptable whitelist picks and should be in by default (thus making the whitelist unnecessary since all that's left are memes like christopher robin and mike tyson)
>Geralt
>AM
>Sam & Max
>Roll Caskett
>Hatsune Miku
No.79513
Anonymous
Replies:>>79515
>>79511
Characters that shouldn't be in have already entered, it's too late for a grandfather rule.

>>79512
You forgot X (who shouldn't even be on the whitelist), but those do bring up video games when looked up.
No.79514
Anonymous
>>79502
>randomized seeds
I think I would rather go back to regular seeding at this point, but I don't mind randomized brackets
>moving the voting link to the OC anchor
It barely does anything so I don't know why it's here. The Shazam memes in King were funny though.
>/v/ winner series limit
It's stupid. It only affects 2/10 series (Touhou and Metal Gear), and those series were already hit hard by the series limit to begin with, making it redundant. Having the E8 limit too and it never being put to a simple yes/no vote makes it worse. It and the E8 limit should go.
>forms being closed in favor of documents
This should also go. It's shady and makes results take way longer than they should.
No.79515
Anonymous
Replies:>>79518
>>79513
What are you saying then? No grandfather rule or whitelist? How would we deal with characters that technically don't follow the rules like AM and Geralt?
No.79516
Anonymous
I think if loser's bracket is staying it should be non mandatory and a side tourney form, or at least optional on the main form. Forcing votes on it is weird.
No.79517
Anonymous
Replies:>>79523
The /v/ tournaments really should do 256 and a 4 or 5 franchise limit. The second 128 of King this year was insanely high quality barring all the whitelist characters.
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>>79515
>>The fucking whitelist
>Fuck the whitelist, it completely retarded, literally just allowing characters that shouldn't be in because of funposters voting for them being allowed. Remove it. Replace it with a simple rule of "Character not originally from video games but known for them", i.e. "if I look up this character's name, will it bring up video games?"
No.79519
Anonymous
Replies:>>79521
>>79439
Sonic is a complete waste of a slot but Shadow was worth it just