/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

Everyone always asks where's Battler but never how's Battler.

>>33820
As said previously, have we ever created a general on /vg/ and can we make one in the first place?

>>33823
We aren't really active enough to need a general.

Oh, you did make another one after all.
I wonder if we're going to fill this one too.

>>33823
see >>33827

>>33823
I am not againts the idea but I predict a lot of people would become exhausted after a while.

>>33823
Meh, the current drop-in format works fine.

>>33799
>Anyone after him (sans maybe AM, Grimm and Battler) was going to be controversial because in the end they were more than likely to return to the status quo of 'popular character that /v/ already likes"
Being fair, those characters have dedicated fanbases on /v/ even outside of the tournaments themselves, but they are not ubiquitously well-known like Midna, Dante etc, or a board-wide recent meme like Jack. In that sense, I seriously doubt King will ever have a genuinely unpopular, lesser-known character with no previous tournament history win ever again.
But out of those three characters mentioned already, I think Grimm in particular is a serious contender for the crown. Hell if I were to bet on it I would say he is among the most likely to win 2023.

>>33833
He'll do slightly better, but he and Battler will still job out early.
Hope you enjoy Kiryu/Wario/Eggman as your king.

>>33834
Amogus/FNAF/Minecraft/Roblox/etc. are never getting past round 1 due to the 'annoying child fanbase that flooded the internet' factor.

>>33835
No, if he has enough luck to get a decent early bracket, Grimm can easily fall into a deep run and straight up win it all. He has been doing progressively better each year and has accumulated a lot of momentum and popularity, even among secondaries who have no real interest in playing his games. The major advantage he has over another thread favorite like say, Battler, is the lack of vocal detractors looking out to eliminate him - people see him as an actual underdog rather than a joke vote.

>>33838
The only candidate that needs serious luck to win is Grove from Grove North & South.
Fuck Grove.

>>33844
I have participated in enough tournaments to understand how trends and preferences develop through the years. Don’t take this as me saying "THIS guy is totally going to win", but if it does happen I won’t be surprised in the least.

/v/ winners ranked by average win percentage (cause I wanted to see if Reimu was truly the strongest):
1. Samus: 65.2%
2. Armstrong: 62.9%
3. Reimu: 60.1%
4. Jack: 59.7%
5. Batter: 58.9%
6. Dante: 57.9%
7. Recette: 57.5%
8. Midna: 57.4%

For comparison here's /co/ rankings:
1. Bravo: 72.5%
2. Kronk: 64.5%
3. Jenny: 62.7%
4. Monarch: 60.0%
5. Grievous: 59.3%
6. Tom: 57.88%
7. Spinel: 57.85%
8. Fang: 57.1%
9. Zorak 56.4%
10. Betty: 55.9%

/v/ average: 59.5%
/co/ average: 60.4%

Similar trends are first years are the strongest, the average (sort of) generally going down as years go by, and male winners (mostly) being a little stronger than female.

>>33846
Also interesting that the overall average sits at an almost even 60%
Maybe 60%+ winners could be called something like "dominant" winners.

>>33846
>>32341
Is there a way to calculate these things together?

>>33846
Wonder how Jack would look like without that last minute AM surge.

>>33846
>Dante struggling to get wins meanwhile other kings get highter stomps
Was there a push back against him because DMC V fanbase or were his opponents that tough?

>>33850
His opponents were
>Chunky
>Ganondorf
>Pepsiman
>Eggman
>Scout
>Travis
>Raiden

>>33851
Also, Eggman was a 1 vote difference.

>>33851
Speaking of opponents and brackets will we ever get to see a 2021 like situation where a literal who or low rated character gets the chance to beat a hefty bracket? Not shitting on the Batter or anything, but I think his bracket wasn't that difficult to win before Morshu.

>>33851
Yeah I think it's fair to say Dante had the toughest bracket out of the king champions.

>>33851
Here's the other king's brackets for comparison:
>Senator Armstrong
Quote (Cave Story)
Dynamo (Mega Man X)
Kirby
Leon S. Kennedy
Heavy Weapons Guy
Phoenix Wright
Doomguy

>The Batter
Handsome Jack
Isaac Clarke
Godot
Spamton
Nyarly
Morshu
Eggman

>Jack Garland
Emperor of Mankind
Doomguy
Jetstream Sam
Pepsiman
Luigi
AM
Jack Frost

>>33846
If one has to be fair with Reimu, she went up against a back-to-back gauntlet of characters that constantly have /e/ threads about them on /v/ and won every single time. I think that's the reason the anon considered that she might have been, and well, it's close anyway.

>>33846
I checked for the others. I included percentages and how many voters the rounds have for the events not archived and excluded /v/-/co/ Power Hour due to some of the polls still being opened.

Average for Tag-Team winners that have been archived:
1. Goth Chicks (Gwen and Loona): 69.53%
2. Fake Santas (Jack Skellington and The Grinch): 58.8%

Average for the Co-op winner:
Glamgals (Roxanne Wolf and Glamrock Chica): 65.76%
>Round 1 (133 total voters) 71.4%
>Round 2 (178 total voters) 60.1%
>Round 3 (165 total voters) 64.2%
>Round 4 (130 total voters) 76.9%
>Quarterfinals (104 total voters) 62.5%
>Semifinals (109 total voters) 70.6%
>Finals (97 total voters) 54.6%

Average for the Sh!tposter Showdown winner:
Five Minute Freeza: 70.88%
>Round 1 (43 total voters) 81.4%
>Round 2 (42 total voters) 61.9%
>Semifinals (29 total voters) 62.1%
>Finals (32 total voters) 78.1%

>>33846
>>33861
Forgot Ms. /aco/:
Rouge the Bat: 73.36%
>Round 1 (53 total voters): 92.5%
>Round 2 (53 total voters): 77.4%
>Quarterfinals (32 total voters): 59.4%
>Semifinals (35 total voters): 65.7%
>Finals (39 total voters): 71.8%

>>33854
>will we ever get to see a 2021 like situation where a literal who or low rated character gets the chance to beat a hefty bracket?
There was Alipheese in 2022 going up against characters a lot more well-known and significantly higher-seeded than her. I doubt something like that would happen for King though because silent majority fuckery is stronger in that tournament for some reason. It would take a miracle for someone like John Ward or Roland to win a hefty bracket.

>>33864
Is there any good theories on why King has such a huge divide between the threads and voters compared to other tourneys?

>>33865
People don't have as much a stake in it I guess? People vote more for the video game they know rather than the character.

>>33865
Simple, riggers.

>>33867
Any evidence to back that up?

>>33857
I was actually that anon. Of course pure statistics can't determine who's -really- the strongest. This thread >>16305 went into a lot of detail on naunces. Personally I'd still give Reimu the strongest Queen cause of the circumstances. The second year was waaaay bigger than the first, while also still pretty much a pure popularity contest, and her competition probably the toughest. Her finale match was also, I believe, the biggest finale stomp ever.

>>33868
No it’s just my gut feeling.

We always talk about who's the strongest, but I'm curious about who's the weakest character overall.

>>33871
outside of those who never enter, there's always the round 1 jobbers

>>33871
I guess Banjo on account of him entering every tourney but never making it past round 1 and suffering from nasty curbstomps.

>>33873
The ones who lose round 1 and don't make it every tournament would be bigger losers.

>>33871
It's Banjo. His highest vote percentage was during Co-op, which was like 35%. I can't think of a bigger jobber than him.

>>33876
Well to be fair, that was against an elite 8 member

>>33871
Decided to look, here are the biggest Round 1 losses for one time characters in King for each year. I might do the other tournaments later.

King 2019
>Lucio lost to Gex with 13.78% of the total votes

King 2020
>Hokma lost to Raiden with 16.50% of the total votes

King 2021
>Conker lost to Solaire of Astora with 25.71% of the total votes

King 2022
>Companion Cube lost to Agent 47 with 28.06% of the total votes

>>33881
That's no way to talk about your husband.

>>33883
These look like /co/ characters.

>>33865
Because most of /v/ cares way more about King than Queen, so just posting some cute pictures of your waifu can lead to vote switches.

>>33889
Then why does King have such a huge divide between the threads and voters compared to Mr. /co/lympus?

>>33890
Because /v/ isn't /co/? Seems kinda obvious.

>>33891
That doesn't answer the question at all. What is it about King's metagame that makes it much less favorable towards campaigning than Mr. /co/lympus?

>>33892
No, what he said answers it, /v/ isn't /co/.
/co/ is about watching and reading shows and comics, so it makes sense for people to then watch and read the threads and be influenced by them.
/v/, on the other hand, is about video games, and people are more prone to vote for games they have played and liked. They could still read the threads, but a lot of people will still just vote for what they know and love. Plus, some people might not even read the threads, they just vote and leave, because why wouldn't they?

>>33893
Then why is Queen much more favorable to campaigns?

>>33894
Because that is about girls, not video games. More chance of someone to actually stay in a thread about female characters, /v/ is filled with threads about girls and not games. Also, is it really more favourable to campaigns, or is it just that the characters getting campaigns are the ones people are voting for anyway?

>>33894
Tits.
Also, from what I've seen, most /v/ posters see Queen as a sideshow that is easily skippable if you want to.

>>33897
Yeah, look at Mr./co/ Elite Eights, none of the characters really fit into the 'some obsecure dude lifted by campaigning'.

>>33893
>>33897
So, the TL;DR is that a lot of voters see Ko/v/ contestants as embodiments of the games they come from rather than a character tournament proper. Probably also the reason why "meme" contestants perform better here than in any of the other tourneys.

>>33897
>Also, is it really more favourable to campaigns, or is it just that the characters getting campaigns are the ones people are voting for anyway?
This only accounts for stuff that gets put in the booru, but Queen's top ten characters by OC count from >>32341 has everyone besides Buddy be from an Elite Eight. King has 3 that haven't made an elite eight and the second highest was murdered by the silent majority in Jack's best win since Round 1. Also, Queen's fifth highest is Alice so yeah, Queen is definitely more campaign friendly.

>>33901
It makes me wonder how villains can do so well.

>>33900
Mr. /co/ is waaaay more favorable to campaigners and OC than King of /v/, but in this case that’s because the people who read and participate in the threads represent a much higher percentage of the total vote.

>>33900
While not obscure, some of the characters are still insane. I will never understand how Kronk of all characters actually won.

>>33905
I'm not trying to say anything bad about Kronk, I just don't get it.

>>33905
Kronk (& ENG in general) have always been popular on the internet.

>>33900
>he says this when Zorak won last year

>>33909
>Adult Swim
>obsecure

>>33907
Who cares, where's the Umineko movies to go with the Hitman movies?

>>33902
NTA, but whose to say this isn't just a case of /co/ campaigners doing shit for characters that were already popular rather than on /v/ where a bunch of 'literally who' characters have campaigns.
>Jack
>Silent Majority
Now that's a laugh considering how much of each thread was taken up by Chaosposting. If anything, AM's results with Jack showcase that they had overlapping fanbases which just found Jack to be better.
Honestly, all of this is starting to seem like you're really seething about something.

>>33910
Considering the amount of people asking who he was during the tournament, eh.

>>33912
I didn't mention /co/. Also I was more referring to how despite AM being Jack's fiercest opponent, he still did poorly compared to others he beat when I said silent majority. I'm just making observations like everyone else in the thread.

>>33912
>If anything, AM's results with Jack showcase that they had overlapping fanbases which just found Jack to be better
Why? Their games and the characters themselves attract nearly opposite target demographics.

>>33915
>Their games
How many actual AM voters do you think actually bothered to play it.
For most it was 'funny HATE machine' vs 'funny CHAOS man'

>>33915
It's just a meme character vs another meme character, one meme is more popular than the other.

>>33914
As for Queen, how many times do you need to be told that a waifu tournament has a very different atmosphere and voting habits.

>>33916
Considering his OC tends to include shit only someone who has played the game would bother to reference, probably more than you think. At the very least when it comes to campaigners.

I don't think voting for a character because they come from a beloved game is bad. Most vidya characters are mutes but there is room to improvise as long as it sticks to the game's setting, lore, or world or how that character behaves/does in game.

>>33919
Yes, but we're talking about the voters right now.
One dedicated enough man can run an entire campaign, but unless he's cheating he can only vote once.
I'm not saying AM fans weren't a thing, but I just think a lot of people voting for AM were the also the same ones voting for Jack.

>>33917
I think this might be the answer; King of /v/ is more about voting for whom is inherently funnier and has more meme potential, rather than based on who has the most dedicated campaign or is the best character overall.

>>33912
>but whose to say this isn't just a case of /co/ campaigners doing shit for characters that were already popular
if you don't take part in the /co/ tournaments in the first place, don't comment on them

>>33922
I was actually one of AM's main campaigners (first to start writefagging) and I was voting for both. I stuck with AM eventually cause Jack didn't really need my vote to win.

100 posts already. Let's get to bump limit again before the /co/ thread reaches it.

>>33912
>Now that's a laugh considering how much of each thread was taken up by Chaosposting.
Desu out of all the rounds semifinals was the one where the opponent was more vocal and had more thread presence.
Also not everyone not cocksucking Jack's campaign is internally seething, stop acting so paranoid.

>>33927
Eh, I'd say they were about equal. My point was that Jack is not a silent majority character, even if you didn't like what he was doing.
Also, who said I was specifically implying that he was seething about a specific character? AM isn't the only thread favorite to not win.

>>33928
>who said I was specifically implying that he was seething about a specific character?
I didn't say that, but your other post did imply you thought that other anon was seething about something.

>>33929
I thought he was seething about the state of Ko/v/ in general, not like a specific character/match or year.

>>33931
What's holding Battler back more
>Jobbler memes
or
>being from a VN that isn't Ace Attourney

>>33932
I wonder how Fate would do in these tourneys if Grand Order never existed.

>>33903
Some villains are just really well liked within their fanbases, like Armstrong, Vergil, and Wesker.

>>33932
Probably the latter since Umineko isn't that popular outside of VN communities, which still raises the question on how he always manages to do well in qualifiers while other 07th Expansion guys never make it in. It can't just be because of TFR.

>>33933
Probably slightly better.
Would maybe get called /a/shit anyway.

>>33935
Somebody who doesn't know much about Umineko here.
I find Battler's sprite funny.

>>33935
I've read through most of Umineko at this point (kind of took a pause after a bit), but I think it just has to do with protagonist syndrome
Battler gets the most screentime, he has the most material to work with, he has a funny sprite (all three variants of them are), a theme song, and so on
The other guys ultimately work (mostly) as supportive characters in the story even if they've got their own plots going on.
Just like how Beato always gets in, she's the main girl, has a ton of memes, theme songs and so on. The other witches are prominent but half the episodes focus on Beato.

>>33933
>Shiro/Archer get put in an X/Nega situation by NSA
>Somobody in Queen bitches about Saberfaces

>>33941
>Have any Fate guys made it into King? I know a couple girls have made it into Queen but they lose early on.
Don't think so.
The only ones that got any buzz have been Kirei and Shirou, but again, no qualifiers for them.
Saber and other Type-Moon characters (Neco-Arc) have gotten into Queen before but last time I remember they got rolled over by Marisa.

>>33941
Yeah, that's one of my favorite Battlers, can't really explain why.

>>33938
NTA, but 'protagonist do better than side characters' in tourneys like these is usually the case.
There are exceptions, but usually that's the case.

>>33923
well if that's the case then when are we getting a joke character to win?

>>33945
With the exception of The Batter, every winner is super memey and joked about all the time.

>>33946
Batter is absolutely memey. His win and KoV 2021 was in-thread memes.

>>33951
The Castlevania men are just more notable. Shame cause I like Shanoa too and I hope she qualifies at some point.

>>33864
>It would take a miracle for someone like John Ward or Roland to win a hefty bracket.
It would take a miracle for Roland to win a match in general.

>>33954
That's what happens when you become a Gatcha character.

>>33954
Roland from what?

>>33960
ah yes El presidente de america

>>33964
>As you can see, they're /v/ characters.
No, I don't see that. What I see are what seems to be /co/ characters, and not even good ones at that.

>>33980
Ah yes, irony.

>>33987
That chick in that picture does have a Gmod model, just so you know.

>>33935
I like Umineko, but it'd be nice to see some Higurashi characters make it

>>33822
The Battlers are in the enclosed pool area.

Any characters you feel afraid are falling off? I don't like how Regigigas seems to be slipping with each year

>>34027
This was probably my favorite piece of OC to make in hindsight, even if it was kinda a pain at the time.

>>34028
Jill Stingray has lost the first round for the past three years despite making it to round 4 in 2019, and I don't know if that's going to change this year. The King of All Cosmos also performed his worst yet last year, so hopefully he can do better this year. I'm also scared for John Ward since I don't know how likely it'll be for him to qualify again.

>>34032
Roland was in last year, and at a decently high seed too, but he lost the first round again, this time to Cuphead by less than 10 votes. I was kinda surprised he wasn't nominated for Co-op. I guess there aren't many PMfags here.

>>34033
>I was kinda surprised he wasn't nominated for Co-op.
With whom exactly? The only possible Co-Op matchup for him is Charles from Mafia City, Garcian Smith too, if you stretch things far enough, but I think people don't care about Garcian these days

>>34035
Tbh I haven't played his game yet so I don't know who he could've been paired up with. I just thought he would've been in it since other thread favorites from last year like the FAITH characters and Kleiner came back for it. I do plan on checking out his game sometime soon though so I can know more about him since I like his thread presence.

>>34035
>Garcian Smith
Actually would be kino

>>34050
>GET FUCKED
>GEEZ YOU STILL ARE AN UGLY FELLA, HOW HAS IT BEEN EH?
>THOSE BASTARDS ARE BREEDING
>WHAT! IS THIS A BAD TIME,I HOPE I'M NOT INTERUPPTING ANYTHING...OR AM I!
Yeah I think Dan is too much of a jerk for Roland but that would be fun.

>>34051
Now that I think about it, how has no Killer7 characters ever qualified? It's not that forgotten about, is it?

>>34052
Mey, I think there was some push for Garcian back in 2021 under schizo group and I think Ulmeyda was nominated once too. None of them qualified if my memory is correct.

>>34048
kek

>>34029
That makes me think of a question: if you did OC for Co-op, what was your favorite thing you made?

>>34055
In terms of writefagging, I'd say my favorites were Sworn Partners' defeat speech and Eggman calling out Phoenix.
Not sure what I'd classify the Robot Master Design Contest (did people even like it?) and the Wily announcements as.

>>34066
Perfect.

>>34064
>Robot Master Design Contest (did people even like it?)
I liked it and thought it fit with Wily and Eggman's campaign. Think you'll bring it back for /v/illains and/or King?

>>34061
I prefer Spinni

>>34070
If people want it back, then sure.

>>34061
Meta Knight.
>>34064
I loved the robot master design contest. So much that I made two of them. I wish more people did it.

Is there any campaigns you didn't like? Ones that may have even caused you to vote against the character in question.

>>34103
And not just because the campaign was quiet.

>>34103
My campaign. It could've been better. That's why she lost round one.

>>34103
jack