/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

>>103504
I think Ms. should have a good winner this time.

King of /v/‘s elites are generally great, but the tournament’s homogeny is starting to wear a little thin compared to the others.

>>103507
This isn't an unpopular opinion.

>>103507
They should have less homogeny and more homosexuality like Mr.

>>103504
/co/ is way too harsh on newer toons. SU faggotry aside which doesn't really count they deserved at least a few E8 reps both for having some genuinely good characters, having passionate fans, and being significant to the board. Weird as /v/ doesn't seem to have this kind of hangup.

>>103509
Most of the time it seems to just pertain to the winners, especially post-Batter. I mean the whole slate.

I don't care about TFR intermingling during King of /v/ and frankly see its influence as a detriment. It doesn’t help that some TFRfags are Discordfaggots, but I already disliked them as posters before we knew that.

Tourney rape jokes have kind of been ran into the ground.

Tournament wins should be based off the character's personality, legacy, quality of content, and overall impact on the board and medium, not remotely on some random autist roleplaying, making art, smearing other campaigners, mass spamming the board, or other types of irrelevant campaign content in the moment of the round threads
That's what NSA wanted tournaments to turn into and how we get poor winners reflecting on prior years

>>103535
I never heard anyone want a tournament winner to be based on some random autist roleplaying, making art, smearing other campaigners, mass spamming the board, or other types of irrelevant campaign content in the moment of the round threads but you do you buddy.

>>103535
This. It should really be common sense that a campaigns primary purpose is basically swaying close calls and proving why a character is great. It shouldn't become the reason to vote itself. People got waaay too pissy and sensitive about being "silent" now. Meta and thread autism is acceptable for small side stuff, which is basically the purpose of /tnt/, but main tourneys should always mainly be about straight up best and fitting character. It's the big retrospective flaw about /v/ 2021 despite how much it was wanked at the time. You can make a case every other winner at least deserved it on likability and legacy unrelated to tourney's (or in Spinel's case cause of the perfect timing). /v/ 2021 felt way more skewed towards tourney meta alone though. I don't even dislike Batter but it's questionable that he should've been a king, and definitely not Recette lol.

>>103535
I agree. Now every time I see a character gets a tryhard campaign, especially if they get one in the early rounds, they're definitely going to get spitevoted out.

>>103577
The main problem with those examples is they were never gonna do well in the first place. Shakara had only like 5 votes outside of the riggerfag.

>>103504
Fang is genuinely the best /co/ winner.
>OC and campaign powerhouse
>beloved character from a show that’s pretty much agreed to be great ending aside
>a fucking dinosaur
Every time I see someone complaining about her it’s some meta reason that doesn’t fucking matter, like how Genndy already had a character who won. Who gives a shit.

>>103585
>saying you don't like the show's shitty ending or don't like how she looks are meta reasons
Insane cope.

>>103585
When I see hate towards Fang, I get reminded of the hate John Silver got during Mr. /co/ 2023. To this day I am still trying to get what made people despise Silver so much as to give him "CAMPOONER" name when he doesn't even do that good in the first place and the silverfag isn't even obnoxious.

>>103588
It's literally just some simpleton Disneyfag (or so he claims) who doesn't understand why a Treasure Island character is so well-received here.

>>103504
Batter is genuinely the best /v/ winner
>OC and campaign powerhouse
>beloved character from a game that’s pretty much agreed to be great
>literally fucking me
Every time I see someone complaining about him it’s some meta reason that doesn’t fucking matter, like how future winners are schizo alliance characters. Who gives a shit.

>>103504
>>103585
I DON'T think Fang is a good winner and rode far too much on dino novelty. Spear would've been a better Primal rep.

>>103577
Agreed to an extent, it depends how minor the infraction is. Like with Alastor, the issue is if they never campaigned for them they might never have qualified, but I'm not going to hold something like "a host for a side tournament roleplayed as the character before" against them entirely. For them the shittier thing is saying they were quitting then sneaking into major tournament leadership without telling anyone, but nothing to do with Alastor. I hold nothing against them when voting.
Now someone like Captain America is ruined forever because the original Mr /co/ host rigged them. Black Hat is ruined forever because NSA likely rigged them and spited against characters that beat him. Livesey is questionable because NSA intentionally rigged a character out to give him a slot but he easily can be redeemed. It honestly varies, but hosts rigging for their pet favorite usually is the one that will excommunicate them forever. You can see four examples how that varies

>>103596
Ahcksually we have no records of NSA spitting characters who beat Black Hat. The instances where that did happen involved Wesker and Bayonetta in the /v/ torneys.

>>103577
I disagree. A character should have their reputation forever ruined because of one retard, especially if that one retard was responsible for most of the campaigning. Biggest example is Recette. That's why solo campaigning should not be encouraged. If you ever make a mistake, then say goodbye to the chances of your character doing well.

>>103600
Quite a few people say Donald gets spited against for beating Black Hat hard in 2021. That's also the only 100% confirmed time we know NSA was smearing a character in a tournament thread, and then the following results have people question them (losing to Marvin by a close 10 votes, then being given very hard matchups retaliative to a higher seed for 2022 and 2023 including the duck match in round 2)

>>103595
The fact that she’s a dinosaur is part of why she’s great. I will always vote for animals over anthropomorphic characters

>>103614
What you are describing is speculation for the most part. The alleged instance of NSA smearing Donald wasn't even smearing really, that just seemed like run of the mill tournament banter to me. On the other hand NSA had full-blown meltdowns that lasted for months over those other two /v/ characters losing.

I think every tournament is rigged, even the Bottom, Barred and /tnt/ ones.

>>103616
I think it's kind of dumb desu.

>>103504
Meme images don't matter when voting if your character loses to a niggerbuffed character that's indicative of the quality of said character losing.

>>103504
Crown Steals should happen and I'm tired of you faggots getting pissy over that possibility.

>>103822
NSAbro btw not sure if that matters.

I only vote for characters with campaigns and if they don't have any I vote for whichever I like more.

>>103884
>He thinks there's going to be a comic book winner

>>103884
The first comic winner is going to be Scrooge unironically

>>103822
Losers Bracket should just be fucking thrown out of the window as soon as we get rid of NSA

>>103913
I disagree losers bracket isn't a bad thing.

>>103913
I agree. Loser's bracket is gay.

>>103822
Crown steals are retarded. i don't know how anyone thinks it's a good idea to even attempt beyond wanting more chaos and controversy type of fun. Besides extending the tourney to more exhausting lengths, testing the mods, and the general lower quality and activity those threads will probably have, there's no way a somehow successful crown steal is gonna not cause a bunch of shitflinging for years and ruin the characters involved.

>>103925
Crown steals should stay just in case we get another recette.

>>103929
Lol

>>103929
No, if a tournament that has 1,000+ people votes for another Recette than you're gonna get another Recette, you dig your own grave don't try to escape at the last second like a little bitch.

>>103822
Black Hat will steal next year's crown!

Allowing the crown steal would be a vindication of NSA's faggotry.

>>103934
I disagree if a more deserving character makes it through the losers bracket they deserve a second chance.

>>103929
It would honestly be better to just swallow another Recette. Crown stealing would just make a big smear on whoever won and the tourney as a whole.

>>103940
>>103934
Let me put it like this then if Alex Yiik won King of /v/ he should have his crown stolen.

>>103938
If a more deserving character makes it through the loser's bracket and pulls off a crown steal they will automatically become Recette tier and will never be able to live down the circumstances behind their win.

>>103944
I disagree with that sentiment.

>>103822
Crown steals are pointless wastes of time that either end with a blowout as we keep seeing, or will cause heavy spitevoting because people will think it's funny and/or are just salty. The time used could be for more Afterparty time or 256 for /v/.

Only "crown steal" that's happening is everyone taking NSA's role as host of this shit lmao

>>103934
>>103940
This. I'm very critical of Recette, but the crown steal can just make things so much worse.
>>103956
K, b, c.

>>103588
He became the known "campooner" because the Plunderers became the poster child for the most prominent campaigners with Zorak's win, and John became the most prominent member remaining since Ruber/Chris fell off
A decent chunk of backlash seems to be for campaigning overtaking tournaments and their results, emphasized by Zorak going from not qualifying to round 1 blowout to suddenly winning and now that he's retired John just takes the blowback for that. Other aspect is people thinking he's consistently pushing above his weight and wouldn't be close to the top 128 without people voting for the campaign when many notable characters have never qualified once for a tourney. Again, Ruber fell out of favor and that's with the wide board memes of him so I think again John takes all the blows for being the one real remaining Plunderer

>>103976
i dont think i could come up with a more shit opinion if i tried

>>103976
Bejitabro btw

>>103984
Sure on /tnt/, certainly not on /co/

>>103990
one joke

>>103976
Tournaments as a whole wouldn't have not gone this wild and followed the way they have if it wasn't for Spinel and Random Cartoon.
Like it or not but Spinel invented modern tournament culture, and tournaments very well could have had low interest and died out entirely past 2019/2020 if Spinel didn't happen

I don't think legacy or character should matter on /tnt/ but outside of it. I don't want shit to homogenize into seeing the same shit win. I actually want winners with interesting source material or characters win here. I don't care if you prefer your popular vote for existing in a popular game. I want to see more good art and effort used instead of jerking off the same I like X I hate Y etc... shit I keep seeing.

>>103976
>XJ9 is highly regarded as the best winner ever yet she does not represent her board in the slightest.
I don't think you know what you're talking about m8.
>>103997
Spinel's influence is pretty much relegated to making ms. /co/ being shit. I think Mr. and /v/ develop on their own lines. If you want to point to a specific character that started meta culture or whatever then it's probably Grievous, as he was the first campaigner heavy victor and first one to win over a more generally popular finalist, and then /v/ a month alter followed suit. But I think /v/ still develops mostly or almost entirely independently of /co/ so the meta nature of that years tourneys are probably just a natural result of years of tourneys becoming more of a /general/ in nature.

>>103997
>"Tournaments as a whole wouldn't have not gone this wild and followed the way they have if"
Tournaments ARE THE PROBLEM

I think we should stop praising drawfags/campaigners so much.

>>104034
Any notable drawfags or campaigners that get over praised?

>>104035
Hexanon. Not because they're bad drawfags or not a savant but because the character they choose to throw giga support behind is garbage and ensures they waste their franchise slot again every year.

>>104024
Don't know why you're here why you think that but I'm telling you that's the moment the genie was put out of the bottle and it isn't getting put back in

RPing is shit if it's out of character especially for one that doesn't say much in their original source.

>>104038
you could do a lot worse than hex when it comes to pokegirls. i'd rather have her over shit like Lillie or May.

>>104035
Warioanon and Hexanon characters they support is typically guaranteed to do well because of them being behind the character and not the character themselves.

>>104040
Felt this way about Doomguy. Don't really like the character but love the games. The comics are shit.

>>104044
>you could do a lot worse than hex
Can you really? Lillie and May, while maybe boring, are at least prominent characters with major roles. Hex is a literal background who that got big because of porn and people have to make shit up to give her any more character.

>>104038
I agree that Hexfag drawing "le funny off-model porn grill xd" is fucking retarded, but
>ensures they waste their franchise slot again every year
is not true, because even if Hexfag wasn't drawing her, she'd have a high chance at getting in anyway. Plus, even if Hex Maniac didn't exist at all, every Pokémon slot is wasted every time.

>>104044
Old Rod-tier bait

>>104035
the plunderers of course

>>104048
>>104051
they're both shit. May is the worst rival in the entire series barring the Kalos faggots. and babysitting Lillie all game is a fucking chore. Sun and Moon aren't pokemon games, they're Lillie games, because the entire story revolves around her and the player is nothing but an attack dog who has to fight all of her battles because she's a fucking pussy.
an NPC with no personality is genuinely, unironically better than those two by mere virtue of not pissing me off.

>>104060
Shit, but still actual characters > literally JUST porn

>>104060
that's like, your opinion tho.

>>104064
I disagree.

>>104060
Hop is way more worse than may as a rival.

>>104035
Any notable drawfags or campaigners that get over hated?

>>104079
Judy of course and any disneyfag.

>>104079
Anyone who NSA presumably supported
Amphibiansfags
HTFfags though they never qualify but are always there
Scornguy though he's not around anymore (his art was amazing but his support was annoying)

The niggerbuff isn't that strong it only takes out boring or middling characters.

>>104019
Before Spinel tournaments had barely enough characters qualifying for a 128 seed tournament (it was around 150 qualified characters), votes were mid-tier in size, and they were barely brought up off-season
Spinel then comes and now we get 1000 characters minimum and 4x the amount of votes each tournament. And /tnt/ level discussion off-season

>>104107
/v/ 2021 does kind of feel like a shift in timelines and the intended winners were Mado and Eggman.

>>104107
Oh yeah, and Eggman would've been perfect considering his previous history of being cucked twice by Dante, and being the winner following him. But nope, we needed our hype underdog win.

>>104107
Garland shouldn't have won either desu

>>104116
Over Frost? The right guy won. But overall that year could've went better to AM/JC/Phoenix/Travis.

>>104119
Frost wouldn't have been the best winner that year, only getting to the finals because of the dumbass Jack-off memes, but he would still have been a better winner than Garland

>>104107
Grimm is in the same winner category as Racette since they're 4chan games that would get lost in time. It's just a hgame that pretends to be smarter than it actually is with chicken scratch effort for art.

FARTS should have at least one winner for Ms /co/ by now and it's /v/-tier autism that they are being blocked despite being obvious candidates
FARTS even itself is a psyop by the campaign-spite schizo crowd as it was started by the Megaman RPer to cause spiting and chaos against them, and that has led to weaker winners

>>104123
Nah, there's better picks from SMT to win than Jack Frost. He's great as a mascot, but not so much as a tournament winner in my eyes. Know this is the controversial opinions thread, but that's my take on the matter.

I do somewhat get where >>104119 is coming from here. I don't mind Garland winning because he's about as good as it comes from more meme-centric characters, but he really did disrupt that entire year's tournament. Could have easily been the first one to retire a former elite in King otherwise with how it went.

>>104040
>>104047
To be honest, Doomguy is kind of a special case. He is quite literally silent and never speaks. That limits the options for campaigning and roleplaying to very big degree if we are to be bound within 100% character.
At that point, giving him a voice doesn’t really break character as much as literally turning his personality upside down would. He is an angry but well-composed character who LOATHES demons. Breaking character is something like making him fall in love with fucking Charlie.

I hate characters that are only in tournaments to lose.

>>104132
Only Battler, Icon, and Boo are like this.

>>104126
>he's about as good as it comes from more meme-centric characters
That's the thing, Garland was just a giant meme circlejerk, the funny "kill chaos!" and "bullshit." man! "Bro, let's stick pngs on a png of him, that's gonna be so kinoooooooooooo!". "Wait, we could have a Jack-off if we vote for Jack Frost, let's vote for him lol!!!"
Most people didn't even play his shit game, Frost is at least a decent pick for his series.

>>104133
PMfags with Angela. I'll never forget that day.

I think hated characters shouldn't be shat on for making it past round one or two.

>>104124
With posts like this popping up every now and then I can’t help but wonder if he’s going to age as poorly as Recette.

>>104124
This. Give it a few years and he'll be even more hated than Batter. People will be like "Batter already won, Grimm is just the same shit again." and respect Batter more because he's the OG underdog winner.

Characters shouldn't become hated and villainized because they make it far silently. The shit with characters like Tifa, 2B, and Kiryu becoming bad characters that don't deserve votes is dumb and autistic.

Campaigning should have an effect on votes and I love tributes.

>>104132
They are literally the worst characters to qualify, because even a shit character that is silent just gets voted out and everyone forgets about him. Shit like the Icon of Sin and King Boo get in and gets a shit ton of attention with their funposts even after they lost, making people talk about garbage instead of all the better characters that are still in. I fucking hate that that faggot came here to spam his shit and that retards are feeding him.

>>104140
>>104143
Unlike Batter, Grimm's game is actually a /v/ staple and his campaign was in-character for his game.
Unlike Recette, Grimm's main backing wasn't a literal pedophile and he's from a series that's been on /v/ for years that will continue to get games.

Good time to discuss "underdogs"
They ran their course, maybe every 3 or so years there should be an underdog with a deep run it feels like people try to force it for the effect more then sincere surprise.
This is for every tournament, seems to have started with 2021 when Betty just snuck out from all the spiting and then after every single tournament wanted their specific underdog winner, which happened for each one since but in far more exaggerated fashion (like 80-100 seeds winning a whole tournament)
It doesn't have the same luster when there's one every single year and especially with randomized brackets (which luckily will likely go away with NSA being forced out), it needs to feel special.

I don't care if your character speaks 1 billion words or is le tragic, if their source is shit I'm not voting for them. That's all.

>>104147
Cope.

>>104151
Which character are you even talking about?

>>104153
Umineko specifically. I don't like many VNs nor JRPGs in general.

>>104146
>>104146
/v/ in general has a problem with wanking super retarded character shit. i.e. all the jobber memes that qualify to lose, the get spam even on slow ass boards like /tnt/, Yugi rape dungeon nonsense, the reaction to Sam meta ect.

I should campaignfag and rpfag blender donut just to fuck with /v/.

>>104155
How many jobber meme characters does /v/ have?
The only one for /co/ is Puss and that's only because he was expected to be E8 potential then barely qualified even when PIB got split from Shrek for 3 character rule then got blown out round 1
Feels like /v/ has characters who campaign specifically to lose round 1 and not as an effect from some unexpected result

>people already forgot that Grimm was rigged by discord

>>104149
Betty couldn't be an underdog cause her whole E8 was "underdogs". Grievous was more like the first proper underdog.
I think underdogs would be fine but not for early years. Meta went too fast. Someone like Recette probably goes over better winning like the 7th year.

>>104165
Grievous was seed #16 the year he one there's zero way he could be considered an underdog

>>104169
Relative to his competition he basically was. There was somewhat of a narrative he was the campaigner favorite and just needed the traction and right year.

>>104155
/v/ is filled with off-topic funposting retards, /v/ is the general problem.

>>104125
FARTS girls keep losing because they are bad

/V/ tournaments are like Soccer/Superbowl games and other tournaments are more like WNBA games

>>104161
I haven't actually played any of those I just know they're shit and Eggman should've won.

>>104200
Kek, /co/ are the only ones that matters, /v/ is irrelevant NSA tier shit the board doesn't even care about (if they did they wouldn't vote crown steal)

All tournies are like Wrestlemania cause they're all fake fights booked by the script (rigged by the host).

>>104149
Characters like Zorak and Optimus are the golden standard of underdogs for me. They're great picks in their own merits that just happen to get overlooked until they finally have that one good run.

>>104160
PIB jobbing was fucking hilarious after all the high expectations.

>>104218
They are not true underdogs.

>>104218
Carl would've been a better winner.

Every "underdog" people talk about aren't even true underdogs.

>>104239
it was almost murder drones tier

>>104255
...except for Recette.

>>104255
''''true'''' underdogs will never even qualify cause they are bumfuck nobodies.

>>104287
Exactly so the underdog argument and worry is completely retarded.

>>104298
There are what constitutes underdogs in the context of the bracket.

>>104287
Mad Ratbros...

>>104304
Fuck bracket context just because a character is low seed does not make them an underdog.

>>104314
Yes it does... in the bracket context.
You can't just "fuck bracket context", that's the framework these discussions have always had.

>>104317
Cope.

>>104321
sneed

>>104317
Bracket context is meaningless if for example let's say hank hill has low seed would you still aay he's an underdog?

>>104327
>if for example *someone that will never happen* would you still aay he's an underdog?
He would be an underdog if it did happen btw.

>>104327
Hank doesn't get low seeds. And if he did using bracket historical context would tell you he's not an underdog.

Coomerism is overhated.

>>104333
under*

>>104333
True.

>>104333
if your only reason for liking a character is coom then they don't deserve to be voted for.

>>104333
This. If two characters I don't know are going up against each other, I'm gonna vote for the one with better porn. I could not care less about your desperate campaigns.

>>104164
Since we were also talking about Garland, it's important to remember the Black Souls Discord led to the leaking of a series of messages where a named campaigner pretty much confirmed Garland supporters communicated and were organizing their campaign outside of 4chan, most likely in another Discord server.

>>104357
True. They instead resort to things that aren't in the games like memes and YTPs.

Why is this one fag so mindbroken by Eggman, he keeps complaining about YTPs.

>>104360
He is a funposter.

>>104119
nah it should've been Phoenix or Travis, AM would've been controversial due to the whole not being a video game character thing and JC was mostly silent that year outside of Froganon which was pretty cool of him

>>104367
Unironically nobody cares about the point of AM being originally /lit/ except for when it's convenient to bring up as a cover for the actual reasons someone might not like him. This is literally something NSA did during Ko/v/ 2022.

>AMfags are getting uppity because we don't like their non-vidya pick

>>104404
Fair enough to not like him, but what is the point of endlessly arguing over his legitimacy as a vidya character when there already exist counterarguments to that claim and 9 out of 10 times it has nothing to do with the reasons someone doesn't fancy him.

I think this year one of the heavy hitters need to win. There's a lot of them that are overdue to become king.
Phoenix
Edgeworth
Travis
Denton
Kiryu (Yes even him)
Wesker
Any of the TF2 classes
Even if them of them are silent, we need to thin the herd.

LOL

LMAO

>>104107
>People from the outside looking in would understand Jack Garland easily and understand Grimm if they knew or were told how Black Souls is popular on /v/. Nobody would understand how Batter beat Dr. fucking Eggman.
I don't care about what people from the outside looking in think about the results, these are our tournaments not theirs

>>104421
Too bad. Sooner or later the outsiders are going to take over the tournament. Don't be surprised when Cr1tikal makes a video about the latest Ms. /co/ drama.

Batter is very recognizable as an indie icon of the early 2010s to many, out of the Batter-Garland-Grimm he is EASILY the only one I could see performing well in other popularity contests outside of 4chan.

>>104418
This is post is so hilariously oblivious.

>>104418
Wesker being here is sad considering what happened, but I’m more curious about Edgeworth’s inclusion here. He’s a great character, but how many actually want him to win over Phoenix?

>>104418
>>104425
I'm really curious what definition people use here for "heavy hitter". Personally I don't consider either Wesker, Edgeworth and most of the TF2 classes heavy hitters.

>>104419
>>104420
>>104424
>>104425
Wait, you don't consider those guys heavy hitters?

I still don't get why only 47 and Battler get associated and boosted by TFR and not any of the other series prominent in it, especially Yakuza and Resident Evil.

>>104427
Scout is a heavy hitter at the least. Heavy is arguable, but he’s lost some luster over the years. As for the rest of the mercs, I wouldn’t call any of them heavy hitters at this point. They’ve had five years to make it, and in that time we’ve simply seen reruns of both Heavy AND Scout.

Resident Evil is in a weird spot where it absolutely can make quarterfinals, but it’s never been able to get past 7th in all three cases it’s gotten that far. Wesker WAS seen in an alright light, but he’s been tainted hard by controversy. There was his main artist in 2022 openly freaking out after his loss to AM, but it got exponentially worse when it was discovered that NightShiftAnon (99%) was said artist with her trip off. If it was just one of those two Wesker likely could have recovered, but it’s that combination leaving a really bad aftertaste. At minimum, expect him to whiff at best this year. If you’re looking for RE momentum, a lot of people want to push for Chris this year.

Edgeworth is a weird case. He’s a strong character, but as mentioned his biggest issue is being tied to Phoenix Wright. Whether he could win would ultimately come down to whether people could pass on Phoenix or not. Keep in mind Edgeworth popped up in Elite Eight only when Phoenix wasn’t around.

To add onto this, there are two other heavy hitters you missed: Wario and Raiden. Both lost very narrowly to strong competition last year, which could very well be a blessing in disguise.

>>104422
An outsider already took over the tournament when we got NSA as host desu

>>104427
People forget Wesker was actually a very middling contestant barring NSA's campaigning; he lost in a blowout r1 in 2019 and was bested by Regigigas and Spamton in 2020 and 2021 respectively. RE as a whole has potential to do better in King, but Wesker in particular was a character entirely carried by his OC.

>>104429
>>104431
So who would you guys consider heavy hitters?

>>104432
Eggman and AM

>>104432
In my judgement, to qualify as a heavy hitter a character needs to be a consistent elite performer who has *at the very least* placed 5th once, and in the instance of losing earlier to the final rounds, only in favor of another heavy hitter. There are levels to this of course, Hank and Jack for example are considered to be on a different league next to the other heavy hitters in the Mr. /co/ roster given their three time elite eight streak.
Being a fan-favorite and a heavy hitter mustn't be confused; a character can be beloved by the threads but still perform poorly, and viceversa. Kiryu is a good example of the opposite.

>>104428
Resident Evil ( aka Chris with Leon's cum ) is something not only TFR related. Yakuza in TFR mostly nothingburger. There is not many /v/idya TFR characters otherwise. The only character that could have something TFR related is Tatsuya and Shuichi (ugly)

>>104428
Battler's campaign is reliant on it and 47 is being dragged down with him, being unable to make it far on his own merit. However It is funny to draw 47 being the reason behind every one of Battler's failiures .

>>104428
The TFR camp had more influence during 2020, but seems to have died down in recent times due to the hiatuses. I don't lament it desu, I find most of them annoying and a lot of the most tired tournament memes came from them.

I barely saw any people talking about TFR or muh Round 3 in last year's King. I probably saw more people bitching about Battlerfags at this point than actual active Battlerfags. It's kinda getting old. The things people keep complaining about are mostly in the past at this point.

>>103504
Furries doing so badly are good, actually. I'm glad they always have such shit performances no matter how hard they try to campaign. Especially last year when none of the furries can even come close to being in the Elite 8. It's just board culture and I'm glad the voters think the same way. If a furry gets to actually win a main tournament only then will the tournaments be unsalvageable.

>>104556
You aren't being clear what you're referring to
/co/ or /v/, or both? Ms or Mr, or both? Is furry just any cooming animal character or any animal character period?

>>103504
The NSA drama is not going to seriously sway people's opinion on any characters. Because the silent majority probably doesn't even remember what a NSA is. This is the kind of shit only tourneyheads like us seriously care about.
>but Captain America...
...never qualified again because comics are much less popular than cartoons, not because most people give a shit about the rigging.
>but Chris...
...was always a Round 1 jobber who seeded below 100 both times he was in.

If Wesker is going to do worse, it's because NSA won't be there to campaign for him, not because people will get mad at the character.
Bayonetta is likely going to keep doing well because she's popular with or without campaigning.
Black Hat is going to keep being an early rounds jobber at best.
Zim will likely keep qualifying but if he doesn't get far, it's not because the silen majority is angry at NSA.

>>104560
Any anthro of course. Only real animal character that does well is Amaterasu. She doesn't count.

>>103504
I don't care about NSA

>>104562
>Any anthro of course
Dumb especially for the guy's side
Also Tom won

>>104556
>>104562
Retardbro...
>>76539

>>104556
The golden age of cartoons was mostly furries, and the 90s to early 2000s of gaming had just about every company try to get their own animal mascot. You don't have to like furries, but to pretend like it would be the end of the world if more were to win main tournaments is retarded when considering how important to entertainment they are. 

>>104564
>>104565
>>104566
The tournaments have fallen... The entire site has fallen...

>>104556
NSAbro btw

>>104556
I don't mind furry characters but you're right site culture is negative on furries and some furfags here really seethe about that.

>>104569
AAAIIIEEE CULTURESISSIES

>>104572
>>104565

>>104572
It's more the idea that I'm supposed to not vote for characters who are almost never seen in a coomer light (like Tom, for one who has won) because someone might have coomed to Nicole Watterson before which is dumb as shit. And then they same people go and openly coom to TVA girls like that isn't worse

>>104569
It's an anime website not a manga website. You don't see a furry board anywhere or even furry threads.
>>104571
NSA was clearly slacking for Ms. /co/ two years ago. By far the worst Elite 8 ever.
>>104572
You're right. Look at how many furfags are seething right now.
>>104576
All furries are coomer picks, stop lying to yourself.

>>104575
If culturesissy is so scared of furries, how scared of scalies like Ridley is he?

>>104577
>Mrs Brisby is a coomer pick
You must be incredibly retarded if you believe this, either that or the very fact that there are people here who like furries is enough to make you seethe and cry.

>>104577
*All picks are coomer picks

>>104577
Anime and manga literally share a board, retard.

>>104583
Culturesisters… our response?

>>104583
It's the itoddler. He mass replied the same way in Ms. /aco/ 2023. It's funny he thinks he has a place here

>>104585
Numnuts also mass replies too

>>104582
>>104585
I'm not itoddler. I hate shotas just as much. I'm glad none of them do well.

>>104588
CHADku…

>>104561
I think Wesker will just go back to being an early exit unless someone else picks up the mantle and Black Hat will no longer qualify.

>>104668
Black Hat no longer qualifying the moment NSA stops being a host will look really fucking bad, same goes for Goo who only qualified last year after either not being nominated before or was an extremely low seed.

Some people have brought up the yearly timing of certain winners and I think that's a good point. Glamgals aren't a terrible winner, but weird for an inaugural. The problems with Recette and Batter wouldn't be thought of nearly as big if their wins didn't come int he third year, and came at some much later year instead. Having oddball winners early kind of cockblocks a good line-up of conventional and widely agreeable (in the long run) winners from getting established first, and risks setting a precedent or tone for more underdog or oddball meta-esque winners in the following years. This applies to all tourneys, and of course ms. /co/ was probably hit the worst with fucking Spinel in year 2 and the effects of that.

>>104698
Basically Recette/Batter may have happened like a year or two too early. If there were four or so conventional years of Ms. /co/ and then Spinel happened she'd be regarded as a shit winner and shit tourney but it probably wouldn't ruin the trajectory of ms. /co/ like she did.

>>104698
While I don't entirely disagree, I do think Recette and Batter being third year winners isn't completely out there. There were already two really fitting winners in each tournament, so changing course for a year after that wasn't too out there. Queen would go on to have two more big winners, and while the combo following Batter isn't the greatest for King I don't think people are going to deny why Garland or Grimm won in their own rights.

>>104699
Now I DO agree with this one, although it plays off what I said above. If we got Spinel even in 2020 following a Raven win prior, there would still be two cornerstone winners to fall back on instead of just Jenny. To really set the standards for what a winner might entail, I'd say it ideally should take two to allow for some correlations to be made.

Getting a little off-topic here, but I do wonder how Spinel vs. Monarch would have gone down. That sounds hilarious to ponder in hindsight, especially if both Tyr'ahnee and Fang still lost in this scenario.

>>104079
Aerd.

>>104698
>>104699
I don't know I think year 3 is past the "early winner" threshold that's like the foundation for all future winners. If you look at Mr. /co/ you have Tom as the year 3 winner who was less conventional than Johnny and Kronk, not trash talking my boy Tom obviously I'm just saying I think for year 3 it's reasonable to have a winner that diverges from the type of candidate the previous two winners were.
Plus it's not like a less conventional winner like Recette on year 3 prevented Queen /v/oters from picking Midna and Curly the following years who themselves are very "straight" winners along the lines of Samus/Reimu

>>104702
He said over hated, not under.