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No.103505
Anonymous
>>103504
I think Ms. should have a good winner this time.
No.103507
Anonymous
King of /v/‘s elites are generally great, but the tournament’s homogeny is starting to wear a little thin compared to the others.
No.103509
Anonymous
Replies:>>103522
>>103507
This isn't an unpopular opinion.
No.103511
Anonymous
>>103507
They should have less homogeny and more homosexuality like Mr.
No.103515
Anonymous
>>103504
/co/ is way too harsh on newer toons. SU faggotry aside which doesn't really count they deserved at least a few E8 reps both for having some genuinely good characters, having passionate fans, and being significant to the board. Weird as /v/ doesn't seem to have this kind of hangup.
No.103522
Anonymous
>>103509
Most of the time it seems to just pertain to the winners, especially post-Batter. I mean the whole slate.
No.103524
Anonymous
I don't care about TFR intermingling during King of /v/ and frankly see its influence as a detriment. It doesn’t help that some TFRfags are Discordfaggots, but I already disliked them as posters before we knew that.
No.103532
Anonymous
Tourney rape jokes have kind of been ran into the ground.
No.103535
Anonymous
Tournament wins should be based off the character's personality, legacy, quality of content, and overall impact on the board and medium, not remotely on some random autist roleplaying, making art, smearing other campaigners, mass spamming the board, or other types of irrelevant campaign content in the moment of the round threads
That's what NSA wanted tournaments to turn into and how we get poor winners reflecting on prior years
No.103548
Anonymous
>>103535
I never heard anyone want a tournament winner to be based on some random autist roleplaying, making art, smearing other campaigners, mass spamming the board, or other types of irrelevant campaign content in the moment of the round threads but you do you buddy.
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>>103535
This is unironically why I don't give a fuck if a character is silent for as long as I know it comes from great source material.
Your mediocre cartoon/vidya ass isn't going to beat a well-established character in the medium just because you had a campaign and a few vocal people.

Campaigns in the main tournaments only play two roles (This is my unpopular opinion)
>Tie Breakers
>Deciders on a match you're neutral towards
I don't give a shit that you gave your sweat and blood on a masterpiece of art. If my main is against yours I am going to vote for my main. Simple as.
I have nothing against you, I will probably vote for your main if they're against someone that I don't particularly care for or have no idea but as soon as they're against mine, I am going to vote for my mains. People for some reason get uppity when they hear this but this isn't being aggressive or insulting. I am genuinely just telling you that I am voting for who I want to win, not who I am seeing get the most art.

Campaigns being the main deciders on how the matches should play out is how we got retards like NSA running this shit.
No.103555
Anonymous
>>103535
This. It should really be common sense that a campaigns primary purpose is basically swaying close calls and proving why a character is great. It shouldn't become the reason to vote itself. People got waaay too pissy and sensitive about being "silent" now. Meta and thread autism is acceptable for small side stuff, which is basically the purpose of /tnt/, but main tourneys should always mainly be about straight up best and fitting character. It's the big retrospective flaw about /v/ 2021 despite how much it was wanked at the time. You can make a case every other winner at least deserved it on likability and legacy unrelated to tourney's (or in Spinel's case cause of the perfect timing). /v/ 2021 felt way more skewed towards tourney meta alone though. I don't even dislike Batter but it's questionable that he should've been a king, and definitely not Recette lol.
No.103556
Anonymous
>>103535
I agree. Now every time I see a character gets a tryhard campaign, especially if they get one in the early rounds, they're definitely going to get spitevoted out.
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A character should not have his reputation ruined or be forever spitevoted just because one retard gave it a bad image.
Like Shakaranon outing himself or Alastorfag being revealed as Dominos/Ghost, it doesn't mean that those two characters should forever be associated with those and be spitevoted. They sometimes are great characters (can't speak for the latter) and they genuinely deserve a vote from the media they come form.
No.103580
Anonymous
>>103577
The main problem with those examples is they were never gonna do well in the first place. Shakara had only like 5 votes outside of the riggerfag.
No.103585
Anonymous
>>103504
Fang is genuinely the best /co/ winner.
>OC and campaign powerhouse
>beloved character from a show that’s pretty much agreed to be great ending aside
>a fucking dinosaur
Every time I see someone complaining about her it’s some meta reason that doesn’t fucking matter, like how Genndy already had a character who won. Who gives a shit.
No.103586
Anonymous
>>103585
>saying you don't like the show's shitty ending or don't like how she looks are meta reasons
Insane cope.
No.103588
Anonymous
>>103585
When I see hate towards Fang, I get reminded of the hate John Silver got during Mr. /co/ 2023. To this day I am still trying to get what made people despise Silver so much as to give him "CAMPOONER" name when he doesn't even do that good in the first place and the silverfag isn't even obnoxious.
No.103590
Anonymous
>>103588
It's literally just some simpleton Disneyfag (or so he claims) who doesn't understand why a Treasure Island character is so well-received here.
No.103591
Anonymous
Replies:>>104415
>>103504
Batter is genuinely the best /v/ winner
>OC and campaign powerhouse
>beloved character from a game that’s pretty much agreed to be great
>literally fucking me
Every time I see someone complaining about him it’s some meta reason that doesn’t fucking matter, like how future winners are schizo alliance characters. Who gives a shit.
No.103595
Anonymous
Replies:>>103616
>>103504
>>103585
I DON'T think Fang is a good winner and rode far too much on dino novelty. Spear would've been a better Primal rep.
No.103596
Anonymous
Replies:>>103600
>>103577
Agreed to an extent, it depends how minor the infraction is. Like with Alastor, the issue is if they never campaigned for them they might never have qualified, but I'm not going to hold something like "a host for a side tournament roleplayed as the character before" against them entirely. For them the shittier thing is saying they were quitting then sneaking into major tournament leadership without telling anyone, but nothing to do with Alastor. I hold nothing against them when voting.
Now someone like Captain America is ruined forever because the original Mr /co/ host rigged them. Black Hat is ruined forever because NSA likely rigged them and spited against characters that beat him. Livesey is questionable because NSA intentionally rigged a character out to give him a slot but he easily can be redeemed. It honestly varies, but hosts rigging for their pet favorite usually is the one that will excommunicate them forever. You can see four examples how that varies
No.103600
Anonymous
Replies:>>103614
>>103596
Ahcksually we have no records of NSA spitting characters who beat Black Hat. The instances where that did happen involved Wesker and Bayonetta in the /v/ torneys.
No.103608
Anonymous
>>103577
I disagree. A character should have their reputation forever ruined because of one retard, especially if that one retard was responsible for most of the campaigning. Biggest example is Recette. That's why solo campaigning should not be encouraged. If you ever make a mistake, then say goodbye to the chances of your character doing well.
No.103614
Anonymous
Replies:>>103618
>>103600
Quite a few people say Donald gets spited against for beating Black Hat hard in 2021. That's also the only 100% confirmed time we know NSA was smearing a character in a tournament thread, and then the following results have people question them (losing to Marvin by a close 10 votes, then being given very hard matchups retaliative to a higher seed for 2022 and 2023 including the duck match in round 2)
No.103616
Anonymous
Replies:>>103659
>>103595
The fact that she’s a dinosaur is part of why she’s great. I will always vote for animals over anthropomorphic characters
No.103618
Anonymous
>>103614
What you are describing is speculation for the most part. The alleged instance of NSA smearing Donald wasn't even smearing really, that just seemed like run of the mill tournament banter to me. On the other hand NSA had full-blown meltdowns that lasted for months over those other two /v/ characters losing.
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T. Rex deserved to win /an/lympics
No.103629
Anonymous
I think every tournament is rigged, even the Bottom, Barred and /tnt/ ones.
No.103659
Anonymous
>>103616
I think it's kind of dumb desu.
No.103812
Anonymous
>>103504
Meme images don't matter when voting if your character loses to a niggerbuffed character that's indicative of the quality of said character losing.
No.103822
Anonymous
>>103504
Crown Steals should happen and I'm tired of you faggots getting pissy over that possibility.
No.103826
Anonymous
>>103822
NSAbro btw not sure if that matters.
No.103871
Anonymous
I only vote for characters with campaigns and if they don't have any I vote for whichever I like more.
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i know there is more to comics than capeshit, but if we're going by board representation the first comic winner should be capeshit because that's what 90% of comic discussion on /co/ is about.
No.103889
Anonymous
>>103884
>He thinks there's going to be a comic book winner
No.103899
Anonymous
>>103884
The first comic winner is going to be Scrooge unironically
No.103913
Anonymous
>>103822
Losers Bracket should just be fucking thrown out of the window as soon as we get rid of NSA
No.103921
Anonymous
>>103913
I disagree losers bracket isn't a bad thing.
No.103922
Anonymous
>>103913
I agree. Loser's bracket is gay.
No.103925
Anonymous
Replies:>>103929
>>103822
Crown steals are retarded. i don't know how anyone thinks it's a good idea to even attempt beyond wanting more chaos and controversy type of fun. Besides extending the tourney to more exhausting lengths, testing the mods, and the general lower quality and activity those threads will probably have, there's no way a somehow successful crown steal is gonna not cause a bunch of shitflinging for years and ruin the characters involved.
No.103929
Anonymous
>>103925
Crown steals should stay just in case we get another recette.
No.103933
Anonymous
No.103934
Anonymous
>>103929
No, if a tournament that has 1,000+ people votes for another Recette than you're gonna get another Recette, you dig your own grave don't try to escape at the last second like a little bitch.
No.103936
Anonymous
>>103822
Black Hat will steal next year's crown!
No.103937
Anonymous
Allowing the crown steal would be a vindication of NSA's faggotry.
No.103938
Anonymous
Replies:>>103944
>>103934
I disagree if a more deserving character makes it through the losers bracket they deserve a second chance.
No.103940
Anonymous
>>103929
It would honestly be better to just swallow another Recette. Crown stealing would just make a big smear on whoever won and the tourney as a whole.
No.103943
Anonymous
Replies:>>103953
>>103940
>>103934
Let me put it like this then if Alex Yiik won King of /v/ he should have his crown stolen.
No.103944
Anonymous
Replies:>>103950
>>103938
If a more deserving character makes it through the loser's bracket and pulls off a crown steal they will automatically become Recette tier and will never be able to live down the circumstances behind their win.
No.103950
Anonymous
>>103944
I disagree with that sentiment.
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>>103943
>I voted against the character and he still won
>CROWN STEAL NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
No.103955
Anonymous
>>103822
Crown steals are pointless wastes of time that either end with a blowout as we keep seeing, or will cause heavy spitevoting because people will think it's funny and/or are just salty. The time used could be for more Afterparty time or 256 for /v/.
No.103956
Anonymous
Replies:>>103965
Only "crown steal" that's happening is everyone taking NSA's role as host of this shit lmao
No.103965
Anonymous
>>103934
>>103940
This. I'm very critical of Recette, but the crown steal can just make things so much worse.
>>103956
K, b, c.
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>>103504
The entire aspect of "tournaments" as a whole are fucking stupid and should've just been a normal popularity poll like everything else.
You guys shit on metavoting and whatnot then proceed to partake in monthly events with a format that basically encourage it. XJ9 is highly regarded as the best winner ever yet she does not represent her board in the slightest. If these were truly accurate then /v/'s kings would be Bridget, Abby and Larry the Bird from Twitter
No.103980
Anonymous
Replies:>>103984
>>103588
He became the known "campooner" because the Plunderers became the poster child for the most prominent campaigners with Zorak's win, and John became the most prominent member remaining since Ruber/Chris fell off
A decent chunk of backlash seems to be for campaigning overtaking tournaments and their results, emphasized by Zorak going from not qualifying to round 1 blowout to suddenly winning and now that he's retired John just takes the blowback for that. Other aspect is people thinking he's consistently pushing above his weight and wouldn't be close to the top 128 without people voting for the campaign when many notable characters have never qualified once for a tourney. Again, Ruber fell out of favor and that's with the wide board memes of him so I think again John takes all the blows for being the one real remaining Plunderer
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>>103980
>people
It's literally just one nigga.
No.103986
Anonymous
>>103976
i dont think i could come up with a more shit opinion if i tried
No.103990
Anonymous
Replies:>>103992
>>103976
Bejitabro btw
No.103991
Anonymous
>>103984
Sure on /tnt/, certainly not on /co/
No.103992
Anonymous
>>103990
one joke
No.103997
Anonymous
>>103976
Tournaments as a whole wouldn't have not gone this wild and followed the way they have if it wasn't for Spinel and Random Cartoon.
Like it or not but Spinel invented modern tournament culture, and tournaments very well could have had low interest and died out entirely past 2019/2020 if Spinel didn't happen
No.103998
Anonymous
I don't think legacy or character should matter on /tnt/ but outside of it. I don't want shit to homogenize into seeing the same shit win. I actually want winners with interesting source material or characters win here. I don't care if you prefer your popular vote for existing in a popular game. I want to see more good art and effort used instead of jerking off the same I like X I hate Y etc... shit I keep seeing.
No.104019
Anonymous
Replies:>>104103
>>103976
>XJ9 is highly regarded as the best winner ever yet she does not represent her board in the slightest.
I don't think you know what you're talking about m8.
>>103997
Spinel's influence is pretty much relegated to making ms. /co/ being shit. I think Mr. and /v/ develop on their own lines. If you want to point to a specific character that started meta culture or whatever then it's probably Grievous, as he was the first campaigner heavy victor and first one to win over a more generally popular finalist, and then /v/ a month alter followed suit. But I think /v/ still develops mostly or almost entirely independently of /co/ so the meta nature of that years tourneys are probably just a natural result of years of tourneys becoming more of a /general/ in nature.
No.104024
Anonymous
Replies:>>104039
>>103997
>"Tournaments as a whole wouldn't have not gone this wild and followed the way they have if"
Tournaments ARE THE PROBLEM
No.104034
Anonymous
Replies:>>104035
I think we should stop praising drawfags/campaigners so much.
No.104035
Anonymous
>>104034
Any notable drawfags or campaigners that get over praised?
No.104038
Anonymous
>>104035
Hexanon. Not because they're bad drawfags or not a savant but because the character they choose to throw giga support behind is garbage and ensures they waste their franchise slot again every year.
No.104039
Anonymous
>>104024
Don't know why you're here why you think that but I'm telling you that's the moment the genie was put out of the bottle and it isn't getting put back in
No.104040
Anonymous
RPing is shit if it's out of character especially for one that doesn't say much in their original source.
No.104044
Anonymous
>>104038
you could do a lot worse than hex when it comes to pokegirls. i'd rather have her over shit like Lillie or May.
No.104045
Anonymous
Replies:>>104870
>>104035
Warioanon and Hexanon characters they support is typically guaranteed to do well because of them being behind the character and not the character themselves.
No.104047
Anonymous
Replies:>>104127
>>104040
Felt this way about Doomguy. Don't really like the character but love the games. The comics are shit.
No.104048
Anonymous
Replies:>>104060
>>104044
>you could do a lot worse than hex
Can you really? Lillie and May, while maybe boring, are at least prominent characters with major roles. Hex is a literal background who that got big because of porn and people have to make shit up to give her any more character.
No.104051
Anonymous
Replies:>>104060
>>104038
I agree that Hexfag drawing "le funny off-model porn grill xd" is fucking retarded, but
>ensures they waste their franchise slot again every year
is not true, because even if Hexfag wasn't drawing her, she'd have a high chance at getting in anyway. Plus, even if Hex Maniac didn't exist at all, every Pokémon slot is wasted every time.

>>104044
Old Rod-tier bait
No.104057
Anonymous
>>104035
the plunderers of course
No.104060
Anonymous
>>104048
>>104051
they're both shit. May is the worst rival in the entire series barring the Kalos faggots. and babysitting Lillie all game is a fucking chore. Sun and Moon aren't pokemon games, they're Lillie games, because the entire story revolves around her and the player is nothing but an attack dog who has to fight all of her battles because she's a fucking pussy.
an NPC with no personality is genuinely, unironically better than those two by mere virtue of not pissing me off.
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>>104035
Not me.
No.104064
Anonymous
Replies:>>104071
>>104060
Shit, but still actual characters > literally JUST porn
No.104068
Anonymous
>>104060
that's like, your opinion tho.
No.104071
Anonymous
>>104064
I disagree.
No.104073
Anonymous
>>104060
Hop is way more worse than may as a rival.
No.104079
Anonymous
>>104035
Any notable drawfags or campaigners that get over hated?
No.104081
Anonymous
>>104079
Judy of course and any disneyfag.
No.104092
Anonymous
>>104079
Anyone who NSA presumably supported
Amphibiansfags
HTFfags though they never qualify but are always there
Scornguy though he's not around anymore (his art was amazing but his support was annoying)
No.104099
Anonymous
The niggerbuff isn't that strong it only takes out boring or middling characters.
No.104103
Anonymous
>>104019
Before Spinel tournaments had barely enough characters qualifying for a 128 seed tournament (it was around 150 qualified characters), votes were mid-tier in size, and they were barely brought up off-season
Spinel then comes and now we get 1000 characters minimum and 4x the amount of votes each tournament. And /tnt/ level discussion off-season
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>>103504
Might not be controversial on /tnt/ but fuck it. Batter should have never won. OFF is a good game and all, but Batter is such a perplexing win. The only way ANYONE ever justifies it is going "you had to be there". That's it? He won over Eggman because of the hype of the moment? I don't like it.
If Eggman won, the trio of Eggman/Jack/Grimm would've been much better. Grimm is a true /v/ winner and there wouldn't be the needless shitflinging over schizo alliances or his Shonen anime finale (which is actually in character for him unlike Batter). People from the outside looking in would understand Jack Garland easily and understand Grimm if they knew or were told how Black Souls is popular on /v/. Nobody would understand how Batter beat Dr. fucking Eggman.
I don't care if Batter's campaign was "kino" and "cinema". A character from a game that isn't particularily iconic or beloved on /v/ shouldn't be defeating an iconic and beloved character because of autism. A campaign that was out of character at multiple points, no less.
No.104111
Anonymous
>>104107
/v/ 2021 does kind of feel like a shift in timelines and the intended winners were Mado and Eggman.
No.104114
Anonymous
>>104107
Oh yeah, and Eggman would've been perfect considering his previous history of being cucked twice by Dante, and being the winner following him. But nope, we needed our hype underdog win.
No.104116
Anonymous
Replies:>>104119
>>104107
Garland shouldn't have won either desu
No.104119
Anonymous
>>104116
Over Frost? The right guy won. But overall that year could've went better to AM/JC/Phoenix/Travis.
No.104123
Anonymous
Replies:>>104126
>>104119
Frost wouldn't have been the best winner that year, only getting to the finals because of the dumbass Jack-off memes, but he would still have been a better winner than Garland
No.104124
Anonymous
>>104107
Grimm is in the same winner category as Racette since they're 4chan games that would get lost in time. It's just a hgame that pretends to be smarter than it actually is with chicken scratch effort for art.
No.104125
Anonymous
Replies:>>104189
FARTS should have at least one winner for Ms /co/ by now and it's /v/-tier autism that they are being blocked despite being obvious candidates
FARTS even itself is a psyop by the campaign-spite schizo crowd as it was started by the Megaman RPer to cause spiting and chaos against them, and that has led to weaker winners
No.104126
Anonymous
Replies:>>104135
>>104123
Nah, there's better picks from SMT to win than Jack Frost. He's great as a mascot, but not so much as a tournament winner in my eyes. Know this is the controversial opinions thread, but that's my take on the matter.

I do somewhat get where >>104119 is coming from here. I don't mind Garland winning because he's about as good as it comes from more meme-centric characters, but he really did disrupt that entire year's tournament. Could have easily been the first one to retire a former elite in King otherwise with how it went.
No.104127
Anonymous
>>104040
>>104047
To be honest, Doomguy is kind of a special case. He is quite literally silent and never speaks. That limits the options for campaigning and roleplaying to very big degree if we are to be bound within 100% character.
At that point, giving him a voice doesn’t really break character as much as literally turning his personality upside down would. He is an angry but well-composed character who LOATHES demons. Breaking character is something like making him fall in love with fucking Charlie.
No.104132
Anonymous
I hate characters that are only in tournaments to lose.
No.104133
Anonymous
Replies:>>104137
>>104132
Only Battler, Icon, and Boo are like this.
No.104135
Anonymous
>>104126
>he's about as good as it comes from more meme-centric characters
That's the thing, Garland was just a giant meme circlejerk, the funny "kill chaos!" and "bullshit." man! "Bro, let's stick pngs on a png of him, that's gonna be so kinoooooooooooo!". "Wait, we could have a Jack-off if we vote for Jack Frost, let's vote for him lol!!!"
Most people didn't even play his shit game, Frost is at least a decent pick for his series.
No.104137
Anonymous
>>104133
PMfags with Angela. I'll never forget that day.
No.104139
Anonymous
I think hated characters shouldn't be shat on for making it past round one or two.
No.104140
Anonymous
Replies:>>104147
>>104124
With posts like this popping up every now and then I can’t help but wonder if he’s going to age as poorly as Recette.
No.104143
Anonymous
Replies:>>104147
>>104124
This. Give it a few years and he'll be even more hated than Batter. People will be like "Batter already won, Grimm is just the same shit again." and respect Batter more because he's the OG underdog winner.
No.104144
Anonymous
Characters shouldn't become hated and villainized because they make it far silently. The shit with characters like Tifa, 2B, and Kiryu becoming bad characters that don't deserve votes is dumb and autistic.
No.104145
Anonymous
Campaigning should have an effect on votes and I love tributes.
No.104146
Anonymous
Replies:>>104155
>>104132
They are literally the worst characters to qualify, because even a shit character that is silent just gets voted out and everyone forgets about him. Shit like the Icon of Sin and King Boo get in and gets a shit ton of attention with their funposts even after they lost, making people talk about garbage instead of all the better characters that are still in. I fucking hate that that faggot came here to spam his shit and that retards are feeding him.
No.104147
Anonymous
Replies:>>104152
>>104140
>>104143
Unlike Batter, Grimm's game is actually a /v/ staple and his campaign was in-character for his game.
Unlike Recette, Grimm's main backing wasn't a literal pedophile and he's from a series that's been on /v/ for years that will continue to get games.
No.104149
Anonymous
Good time to discuss "underdogs"
They ran their course, maybe every 3 or so years there should be an underdog with a deep run it feels like people try to force it for the effect more then sincere surprise.
This is for every tournament, seems to have started with 2021 when Betty just snuck out from all the spiting and then after every single tournament wanted their specific underdog winner, which happened for each one since but in far more exaggerated fashion (like 80-100 seeds winning a whole tournament)
It doesn't have the same luster when there's one every single year and especially with randomized brackets (which luckily will likely go away with NSA being forced out), it needs to feel special.
No.104151
Anonymous
Replies:>>104153
I don't care if your character speaks 1 billion words or is le tragic, if their source is shit I'm not voting for them. That's all.
No.104152
Anonymous
No.104153
Anonymous
Replies:>>104154
>>104151
Which character are you even talking about?
No.104154
Anonymous
>>104153
Umineko specifically. I don't like many VNs nor JRPGs in general.
No.104155
Anonymous
>>104146
>>104146
/v/ in general has a problem with wanking super retarded character shit. i.e. all the jobber memes that qualify to lose, the get spam even on slow ass boards like /tnt/, Yugi rape dungeon nonsense, the reaction to Sam meta ect.
No.104158
Anonymous
I should campaignfag and rpfag blender donut just to fuck with /v/.
No.104160
Anonymous
Replies:>>104239
>>104155
How many jobber meme characters does /v/ have?
The only one for /co/ is Puss and that's only because he was expected to be E8 potential then barely qualified even when PIB got split from Shrek for 3 character rule then got blown out round 1
Feels like /v/ has characters who campaign specifically to lose round 1 and not as an effect from some unexpected result
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>>104152
I've played Recettear and Black Souls 1 and 2.
With confidence I can say that Recettear was one of the most mediocre games I've ever laid eyes upon and is the sole reason why I regret voting for Recette because I thought she came from a game that's worth playing.
I played Black Souls 1 and 2 in Queen /v/ 2023 and at that time I didn't give a shit about BS games but after trying them I actually became hooked and interested in it. It is why Grimm became my main and I know fully well with 100% reason why I voted for him.

To note, I don't consider Batter a good winner not a bad one either and I've played OFF.
No.104164
Anonymous
>people already forgot that Grimm was rigged by discord
No.104165
Anonymous
Replies:>>104169
>>104149
Betty couldn't be an underdog cause her whole E8 was "underdogs". Grievous was more like the first proper underdog.
I think underdogs would be fine but not for early years. Meta went too fast. Someone like Recette probably goes over better winning like the 7th year.
No.104169
Anonymous
Replies:>>104174
>>104165
Grievous was seed #16 the year he one there's zero way he could be considered an underdog
No.104174
Anonymous
>>104169
Relative to his competition he basically was. There was somewhat of a narrative he was the campaigner favorite and just needed the traction and right year.
No.104182
Anonymous
>>104155
/v/ is filled with off-topic funposting retards, /v/ is the general problem.
No.104189
Anonymous
>>104125
FARTS girls keep losing because they are bad
No.104200
Anonymous
Replies:>>104208
/V/ tournaments are like Soccer/Superbowl games and other tournaments are more like WNBA games
No.104204
Anonymous
>>104161
I haven't actually played any of those I just know they're shit and Eggman should've won.
No.104208
Anonymous
>>104200
Kek, /co/ are the only ones that matters, /v/ is irrelevant NSA tier shit the board doesn't even care about (if they did they wouldn't vote crown steal)
No.104216
Anonymous
All tournies are like Wrestlemania cause they're all fake fights booked by the script (rigged by the host).
No.104218
Anonymous
>>104149
Characters like Zorak and Optimus are the golden standard of underdogs for me. They're great picks in their own merits that just happen to get overlooked until they finally have that one good run.
No.104239
Anonymous
Replies:>>104262
>>104160
PIB jobbing was fucking hilarious after all the high expectations.
No.104241
Anonymous
>>104218
They are not true underdogs.
No.104243
Anonymous
>>104218
Carl would've been a better winner.
No.104255
Anonymous
Every "underdog" people talk about aren't even true underdogs.
No.104262
Anonymous
>>104239
it was almost murder drones tier
No.104279
Anonymous
>>104255
...except for Recette.
No.104287
Anonymous
>>104255
''''true'''' underdogs will never even qualify cause they are bumfuck nobodies.
No.104298
Anonymous
Replies:>>104304
>>104287
Exactly so the underdog argument and worry is completely retarded.
No.104304
Anonymous
Replies:>>104314
>>104298
There are what constitutes underdogs in the context of the bracket.
No.104305
Anonymous
>>104287
Mad Ratbros...
No.104314
Anonymous
Replies:>>104317
>>104304
Fuck bracket context just because a character is low seed does not make them an underdog.
No.104317
Anonymous
>>104314
Yes it does... in the bracket context.
You can't just "fuck bracket context", that's the framework these discussions have always had.
No.104321
Anonymous
Replies:>>104322
No.104322
Anonymous
No.104327
Anonymous
>>104317
Bracket context is meaningless if for example let's say hank hill has low seed would you still aay he's an underdog?
No.104330
Anonymous
>>104327
>if for example *someone that will never happen* would you still aay he's an underdog?
He would be an underdog if it did happen btw.
No.104331
Anonymous
>>104327
Hank doesn't get low seeds. And if he did using bracket historical context would tell you he's not an underdog.
No.104333
Anonymous
Coomerism is overhated.
No.104334
Anonymous
>>104333
under*
No.104335
Anonymous
No.104336
Anonymous
>>104333
if your only reason for liking a character is coom then they don't deserve to be voted for.
No.104337
Anonymous
>>104333
This. If two characters I don't know are going up against each other, I'm gonna vote for the one with better porn. I could not care less about your desperate campaigns.
No.104355
Anonymous
>>104164
Since we were also talking about Garland, it's important to remember the Black Souls Discord led to the leaking of a series of messages where a named campaigner pretty much confirmed Garland supporters communicated and were organizing their campaign outside of 4chan, most likely in another Discord server.
Replies:>>104358
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>>104164
>Schizo alliance is full of riggers
EggGODS don't resort to such lows. Sadly, it's why he's lost twice by now, rigger schizophrenia is too powerful.
No.104358
Anonymous
>>104357
True. They instead resort to things that aren't in the games like memes and YTPs.
No.104360
Anonymous
Replies:>>104362
Why is this one fag so mindbroken by Eggman, he keeps complaining about YTPs.
No.104362
Anonymous
>>104360
He is a funposter.
No.104367
Anonymous
Replies:>>104399
>>104119
nah it should've been Phoenix or Travis, AM would've been controversial due to the whole not being a video game character thing and JC was mostly silent that year outside of Froganon which was pretty cool of him
No.104399
Anonymous
>>104367
Unironically nobody cares about the point of AM being originally /lit/ except for when it's convenient to bring up as a cover for the actual reasons someone might not like him. This is literally something NSA did during Ko/v/ 2022.
No.104404
Anonymous
Replies:>>104412
>AMfags are getting uppity because we don't like their non-vidya pick
No.104412
Anonymous
>>104404
Fair enough to not like him, but what is the point of endlessly arguing over his legitimacy as a vidya character when there already exist counterarguments to that claim and 9 out of 10 times it has nothing to do with the reasons someone doesn't fancy him.
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>>103591
This. 3+ years of seething over him just makes just solidifies what he is supposed to be in game - main character who is a hero or villain under ones perspective.
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>>104415
It's all coming together... He's the one that made Glamgals won in the first place!
No.104418
Anonymous
I think this year one of the heavy hitters need to win. There's a lot of them that are overdue to become king.
Phoenix
Edgeworth
Travis
Denton
Kiryu (Yes even him)
Wesker
Any of the TF2 classes
Even if them of them are silent, we need to thin the herd.
No.104419
Anonymous
Replies:>>104427
LOL
No.104420
Anonymous
Replies:>>104427
LMAO
No.104421
Anonymous
>>104107
>People from the outside looking in would understand Jack Garland easily and understand Grimm if they knew or were told how Black Souls is popular on /v/. Nobody would understand how Batter beat Dr. fucking Eggman.
I don't care about what people from the outside looking in think about the results, these are our tournaments not theirs
No.104422
Anonymous
Replies:>>104430
>>104421
Too bad. Sooner or later the outsiders are going to take over the tournament. Don't be surprised when Cr1tikal makes a video about the latest Ms. /co/ drama.
No.104423
Anonymous
Replies:>>104770
Batter is very recognizable as an indie icon of the early 2010s to many, out of the Batter-Garland-Grimm he is EASILY the only one I could see performing well in other popularity contests outside of 4chan.
No.104424
Anonymous
Replies:>>104427
>>104418
This is post is so hilariously oblivious.
No.104425
Anonymous
>>104418
Wesker being here is sad considering what happened, but I’m more curious about Edgeworth’s inclusion here. He’s a great character, but how many actually want him to win over Phoenix?
No.104426
Anonymous
>>104418
>>104425
I'm really curious what definition people use here for "heavy hitter". Personally I don't consider either Wesker, Edgeworth and most of the TF2 classes heavy hitters.
No.104427
Anonymous
>>104419
>>104420
>>104424
>>104425
Wait, you don't consider those guys heavy hitters?
No.104428
Anonymous
I still don't get why only 47 and Battler get associated and boosted by TFR and not any of the other series prominent in it, especially Yakuza and Resident Evil.
No.104429
Anonymous
Replies:>>104432
>>104427
Scout is a heavy hitter at the least. Heavy is arguable, but he’s lost some luster over the years. As for the rest of the mercs, I wouldn’t call any of them heavy hitters at this point. They’ve had five years to make it, and in that time we’ve simply seen reruns of both Heavy AND Scout.

Resident Evil is in a weird spot where it absolutely can make quarterfinals, but it’s never been able to get past 7th in all three cases it’s gotten that far. Wesker WAS seen in an alright light, but he’s been tainted hard by controversy. There was his main artist in 2022 openly freaking out after his loss to AM, but it got exponentially worse when it was discovered that NightShiftAnon (99%) was said artist with her trip off. If it was just one of those two Wesker likely could have recovered, but it’s that combination leaving a really bad aftertaste. At minimum, expect him to whiff at best this year. If you’re looking for RE momentum, a lot of people want to push for Chris this year.

Edgeworth is a weird case. He’s a strong character, but as mentioned his biggest issue is being tied to Phoenix Wright. Whether he could win would ultimately come down to whether people could pass on Phoenix or not. Keep in mind Edgeworth popped up in Elite Eight only when Phoenix wasn’t around.

To add onto this, there are two other heavy hitters you missed: Wario and Raiden. Both lost very narrowly to strong competition last year, which could very well be a blessing in disguise.
No.104430
Anonymous
>>104422
An outsider already took over the tournament when we got NSA as host desu
No.104431
Anonymous
Replies:>>104432
>>104427
People forget Wesker was actually a very middling contestant barring NSA's campaigning; he lost in a blowout r1 in 2019 and was bested by Regigigas and Spamton in 2020 and 2021 respectively. RE as a whole has potential to do better in King, but Wesker in particular was a character entirely carried by his OC.
No.104432
Anonymous
>>104429
>>104431
So who would you guys consider heavy hitters?
No.104433
Anonymous
>>104432
Eggman and AM
No.104434
Anonymous
>>104432
In my judgement, to qualify as a heavy hitter a character needs to be a consistent elite performer who has *at the very least* placed 5th once, and in the instance of losing earlier to the final rounds, only in favor of another heavy hitter. There are levels to this of course, Hank and Jack for example are considered to be on a different league next to the other heavy hitters in the Mr. /co/ roster given their three time elite eight streak.
Being a fan-favorite and a heavy hitter mustn't be confused; a character can be beloved by the threads but still perform poorly, and viceversa. Kiryu is a good example of the opposite.
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>>104152
I wonder if this guy is the one trying to shit up BS threads with terrible bait
No.104436
Anonymous
>>104428
Resident Evil ( aka Chris with Leon's cum ) is something not only TFR related. Yakuza in TFR mostly nothingburger. There is not many /v/idya TFR characters otherwise. The only character that could have something TFR related is Tatsuya and Shuichi (ugly)
No.104437
Anonymous
>>104428
Battler's campaign is reliant on it and 47 is being dragged down with him, being unable to make it far on his own merit. However It is funny to draw 47 being the reason behind every one of Battler's failiures .
No.104438
Anonymous
>>104428
The TFR camp had more influence during 2020, but seems to have died down in recent times due to the hiatuses. I don't lament it desu, I find most of them annoying and a lot of the most tired tournament memes came from them.
No.104451
Anonymous
I barely saw any people talking about TFR or muh Round 3 in last year's King. I probably saw more people bitching about Battlerfags at this point than actual active Battlerfags. It's kinda getting old. The things people keep complaining about are mostly in the past at this point.
No.104556
Anonymous
>>103504
Furries doing so badly are good, actually. I'm glad they always have such shit performances no matter how hard they try to campaign. Especially last year when none of the furries can even come close to being in the Elite 8. It's just board culture and I'm glad the voters think the same way. If a furry gets to actually win a main tournament only then will the tournaments be unsalvageable.
No.104560
Anonymous
Replies:>>104562
>>104556
You aren't being clear what you're referring to
/co/ or /v/, or both? Ms or Mr, or both? Is furry just any cooming animal character or any animal character period?
No.104561
Anonymous
Replies:>>104668
>>103504
The NSA drama is not going to seriously sway people's opinion on any characters. Because the silent majority probably doesn't even remember what a NSA is. This is the kind of shit only tourneyheads like us seriously care about.
>but Captain America...
...never qualified again because comics are much less popular than cartoons, not because most people give a shit about the rigging.
>but Chris...
...was always a Round 1 jobber who seeded below 100 both times he was in.

If Wesker is going to do worse, it's because NSA won't be there to campaign for him, not because people will get mad at the character.
Bayonetta is likely going to keep doing well because she's popular with or without campaigning.
Black Hat is going to keep being an early rounds jobber at best.
Zim will likely keep qualifying but if he doesn't get far, it's not because the silen majority is angry at NSA.
No.104562
Anonymous
>>104560
Any anthro of course. Only real animal character that does well is Amaterasu. She doesn't count.
No.104563
Anonymous
>>103504
I don't care about NSA
No.104564
Anonymous
Replies:>>104568
>>104562
>Any anthro of course
Dumb especially for the guy's side
Also Tom won
No.104566
Anonymous
Replies:>>104568
>>104556
The golden age of cartoons was mostly furries, and the 90s to early 2000s of gaming had just about every company try to get their own animal mascot. You don't have to like furries, but to pretend like it would be the end of the world if more were to win main tournaments is retarded when considering how important to entertainment they are. 
No.104568
Anonymous
Replies:>>104569
>>104564
>>104565
>>104566
The tournaments have fallen... The entire site has fallen...
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>>104568
Sounds like a you problem. It's an anime website, and the god of manga was into mouse girls.
No.104571
Anonymous
Replies:>>104577
>>104556
NSAbro btw
No.104572
Anonymous
>>104556
I don't mind furry characters but you're right site culture is negative on furries and some furfags here really seethe about that.
No.104573
Anonymous
>>104569
AAAIIIEEE CULTURESISSIES
Replies:>>104579
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Samus is unironically the second worst and weakest winner. To the point she doesn't even have vocal supporters you can count with unlike Armstrong
No.104576
Anonymous
Replies:>>104577
>>104572
It's more the idea that I'm supposed to not vote for characters who are almost never seen in a coomer light (like Tom, for one who has won) because someone might have coomed to Nicole Watterson before which is dumb as shit. And then they same people go and openly coom to TVA girls like that isn't worse
No.104577
Anonymous
>>104569
It's an anime website not a manga website. You don't see a furry board anywhere or even furry threads.
>>104571
NSA was clearly slacking for Ms. /co/ two years ago. By far the worst Elite 8 ever.
>>104572
You're right. Look at how many furfags are seething right now.
>>104576
All furries are coomer picks, stop lying to yourself.
No.104579
Anonymous
Replies:>>104582
>>104575
If culturesissy is so scared of furries, how scared of scalies like Ridley is he?
No.104580
Anonymous
>>104577
>Mrs Brisby is a coomer pick
You must be incredibly retarded if you believe this, either that or the very fact that there are people here who like furries is enough to make you seethe and cry.
No.104581
Anonymous
>>104577
*All picks are coomer picks
Replies:>>104587
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>>104579
Not as scary and completely mindbroken as he is right now blaming everyone for his dead culture and hateboner about fluffy animals, kek. We have to remember itoddler complaining about furries doesn't deny being a filthy shotafag so that helps him stay in line everytime he opens his mouth.
No.104583
Anonymous
>>104577
Anime and manga literally share a board, retard.
No.104584
Anonymous
>>104583
Culturesisters… our response?
No.104585
Anonymous
>>104583
It's the itoddler. He mass replied the same way in Ms. /aco/ 2023. It's funny he thinks he has a place here
No.104586
Anonymous
>>104585
Numnuts also mass replies too
No.104587
Anonymous
>>104582
>>104585
I'm not itoddler. I hate shotas just as much. I'm glad none of them do well.
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Our HERO is going to have to kill this guy for supporting NSA and disrespecting his wife, Mrs. Brisby, like this.
No.104589
Anonymous
>>104588
CHADku…
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>>104588
Count me in too. We will BUTCHER him.
No.104668
Anonymous
Replies:>>104671
>>104561
I think Wesker will just go back to being an early exit unless someone else picks up the mantle and Black Hat will no longer qualify.
No.104671
Anonymous
>>104668
Black Hat no longer qualifying the moment NSA stops being a host will look really fucking bad, same goes for Goo who only qualified last year after either not being nominated before or was an extremely low seed.
No.104698
Anonymous
Some people have brought up the yearly timing of certain winners and I think that's a good point. Glamgals aren't a terrible winner, but weird for an inaugural. The problems with Recette and Batter wouldn't be thought of nearly as big if their wins didn't come int he third year, and came at some much later year instead. Having oddball winners early kind of cockblocks a good line-up of conventional and widely agreeable (in the long run) winners from getting established first, and risks setting a precedent or tone for more underdog or oddball meta-esque winners in the following years. This applies to all tourneys, and of course ms. /co/ was probably hit the worst with fucking Spinel in year 2 and the effects of that.
No.104699
Anonymous
>>104698
Basically Recette/Batter may have happened like a year or two too early. If there were four or so conventional years of Ms. /co/ and then Spinel happened she'd be regarded as a shit winner and shit tourney but it probably wouldn't ruin the trajectory of ms. /co/ like she did.
No.104701
Anonymous
Replies:>>106415
>>104698
While I don't entirely disagree, I do think Recette and Batter being third year winners isn't completely out there. There were already two really fitting winners in each tournament, so changing course for a year after that wasn't too out there. Queen would go on to have two more big winners, and while the combo following Batter isn't the greatest for King I don't think people are going to deny why Garland or Grimm won in their own rights.

>>104699
Now I DO agree with this one, although it plays off what I said above. If we got Spinel even in 2020 following a Raven win prior, there would still be two cornerstone winners to fall back on instead of just Jenny. To really set the standards for what a winner might entail, I'd say it ideally should take two to allow for some correlations to be made.

Getting a little off-topic here, but I do wonder how Spinel vs. Monarch would have gone down. That sounds hilarious to ponder in hindsight, especially if both Tyr'ahnee and Fang still lost in this scenario.
No.104702
Anonymous
No.104704
Anonymous
>>104698
>>104699
I don't know I think year 3 is past the "early winner" threshold that's like the foundation for all future winners. If you look at Mr. /co/ you have Tom as the year 3 winner who was less conventional than Johnny and Kronk, not trash talking my boy Tom obviously I'm just saying I think for year 3 it's reasonable to have a winner that diverges from the type of candidate the previous two winners were.
Plus it's not like a less conventional winner like Recette on year 3 prevented Queen /v/oters from picking Midna and Curly the following years who themselves are very "straight" winners along the lines of Samus/Reimu
No.104705
Anonymous
Replies:>>104706
>>104702
He said over hated, not under.
No.104706
Anonymous
No.104711
Anonymous
Replies:>>104715
>>104577
>Look at how many furfags are seething right now.
I don't even hate furries (I'm a horsefucker myself) but it is pretty funny how defensive the furfags in the tourney threads get whenever someone doesn't like them. It's like if we replied to every Barneyfag post. This might have something to do with why the muzzle caused so much butthurt compared to the objectively much more aggressive images of non-furry picks getting raped and killed.

Also just something I thought of, if itoddler never kept reposting the muzzle pic people would've eventually forgotten about it and NSA could've still been in power. NSA was accidentally destroyed by his #1 fan.
No.104715
Anonymous
Replies:>>104717
>>104711
>someone doesn't like them ≠ outright hating and spamming the same weak argument
Geez I wonder why, anyways.
>>104702
Definitely aged like milk. Although I can't tell if NSA/OFA was worse.
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>>104715
Don't forget instead of throwing a group in the same bag, it was the Batter anon who was disturbed by that drawing because it hit him hard as something close to animal cruelty. I didn't mind them but I can understand some people who do.
No.104719
Anonymous
>>104717
Yeah no offense to the horsefag but that's what a few forget but conveniently put the blame on furfags ignoring it could have been some anons who genuinely felt disgusted by those drawings because it looks visually like something you speak of. It could have been NSA falseflagging to stir up more controversy too given how much free time the bitch has now that the true came to light.
No.104720
Anonymous
Don't forget NSA uploaded the drawings to booruplus.
No.104725
Anonymous
Replies:>>104729
>>104415
>main character who is a hero or villain under ones perspective.
>nowadays people have mixed perception of him
Holy fuck you're right
KINOOOOOOO
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>>104725
You could say he's aged well
No.104755
Anonymous
Replies:>>104756
Chel should never win. She’s so fucking boring and no one even bothers to campaign or make OC or participate for her. Maybe if her supporters start being active I’ll reconsider my stance.
No.104756
Anonymous
>>104755
Chel should win if she gets decent support. She's been probably the most powerful silent ever. If she got just a handful of active supporters she likely could've won by now.
Replies:>>104797
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>>104717
I'm not NSA, nor a falseflagger. Just one of many anons. It really was just a stupid confession that got way more attention than I ever anticipated. I usually have thicker skin, but in truth the initial confession post wasn't completely honest. I was also going through personal shit at the time that in no way would anybody want a blogpost about, and it kindof compounded. The taunting got to me. I was better by the time I made the confession, if anything vindicated since it got people to finally boot out that cunt NSA. I'm only human.
No.104762
Anonymous
>>104717
>/co/ jokes about an animal being raped
>/v/ is deeply saddened about a drawing of an animal in a muzzle
No.104763
Anonymous
>>104762
This just shows that /v/ users are much better people, full of sympathy for God's creatures.
No.104764
Anonymous
>>104762
This just shows that /co/ users are much better people, as they know better than to get worked up over drawings on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.
No.104765
Anonymous
>>104762
Makes sense, /v/-/an/ threads are the best threads on /v/
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I've been seeing too much complaining lately about past winners and it needs to stop. It's going to drag down the entire spirit and enjoyment of the tourneys if every winner is meticulously picked apart and shit on. Who's going to want to participate if they got a character to win, only for anons to excessively criticize said winners and campaigners later?
No winner is going to be literally perfect, get over yourselves. I understand if you don't like a winner because they might've had some long-lasting negative consequence to their win like Spinel, or you felt deceived by voting for them like with Recette. But the overwhelming majority of winners are fine, even many of the "controversial" or "silent" ones.
No.104768
Anonymous
Replies:>>104775
Knockout Kings are kinda shit winners in retrospect ngl nocap
No.104769
Anonymous
Winners being good or shit doesn't matter since they aren't allowed back anyway. Actually, them being shit is better since the good characters can actually still participate.
No.104770
Anonymous
Replies:>>104777
>>104423
Is this supposed to be a good thing? These are 4chan tournaments, and last I checked when does 4chan care about OFF or the Batter?
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>>104767
People are discussing winners like they’re some sort of celebrities when in reality they’re something much simpler and more important: Examples.

You look at a winner and see what went wrong and good, you take it as an example when you think your main is hot shit. Spinel winning is forever ingrained within the tournaments to have been the rigger queen, Betty Boop was the last hope of Ms. 2021. They’re going to be known and remembered. Being critical of a winner is equivalent of being critical of a statue of a former president.
No.104775
Anonymous
>>104768
frfr who are these niggas anyway? they got no new game and they ain't even in Fortnite. busting my buffers goddamn
No.104777
Anonymous
Replies:>>104778
>>104770
I made that post when people were arguing over the potential reactions coming from outsiders in the face of discovering the tournaments (see >>104107 >>104421). My point is that contrary to certain anons' perception, Batter is overall way, way less niche than either Garland and Grimm.
No.104778
Anonymous
>>104777
I am very certain oldfags would consider Batter a much fitting winner than either Garland or Grimm.
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>>104767
there are only three winners, across all four main tournaments, that are certifiably, irredeemably shit.
1. Spinel
2. Recette
3. Fang
you could also argue for including Reimu, which would bring the number up to 4. but that's it.
No.104790
Anonymous
>>104785
Reimu is one of the most obvious Queens and I mean that as a good thing.
No.104792
Anonymous
Replies:>>104795
>>104767
It goes back to the old problem of defining what a winner means or tourneys really are. Personally I see champs as basically being a board rep foremost, medium rep secondary, and tourneys being the fun democratic vehicle for that, so I don't jive much with overtly meta tourney-based winners. I don't think this problem should extend so much to /tnt/ and this is a side board that's inherit purpose is largely being a meta tourneyhead assembly.
No.104795
Anonymous
>>104792
This sums it up for me. It's King/Queen of /v/, so I want the winners to be something that's special to /v/. Armstrong and Dante obviously fit that bill, Garland despite how you feel about his run also 100% fits that role, and 4chan is one of the only places you're likely to see significant acknowledgement of Black Souls. Batter is just the odd one out here, in my eyes.
No.104796
Anonymous
Replies:>>104803
>>104785
/v/ Fangbro btw
No.104797
Anonymous
>>104761
It's alright though, you let it all out and you had every right to be disgusted by it, especially later knowing the remorseless cunt who drew those drawings visually reflecting animal cruelty.
No.104798
Anonymous
>>104785
Finally, some good opinions around here.
No.104800
Anonymous
Replies:>>104811
Campaigning is based
RP is based
OC is based
Coomposting is based
Trolling is based
However you should only vote for the character you like better regardless of the above
No.104803
Anonymous
Replies:>>104805
>>104796
He's right about Spinel though.
No.104805
Anonymous
>>104803
and recette
No.104811
Anonymous
>>104800
This should be a fucking poster
No.104814
Anonymous
Replies:>>104822
I still kind of like Spinel.
Like of course her win was bullshit and she ruined ms. /co/ but she FIT as someone to do that, and how it went down in a perfect storm is pretty hilarious.
And I'm not sure I'd even call her the worst winner in evaluating their own tourney. I'd prefer a plane-crashing passionate chaos champ over a wet fart noodle champ.
No.104818
Anonymous
I think taking breaks from characters will save them in a long run. Look at Battler, people were running his jokes to the ground and shitting on him before he jobbed. The real fans and artists left him to the dust last year and hope that they take a long hiatus until interest in him or his game regains traction despite TFR memes.
No.104822
Anonymous
Replies:>>104825
>>104814
You're right. She's a better winner than Spinel. At least she still fucking gets threads.
No.104824
Anonymous
>>104818
A lot of characters deserve rests but that'll never happen unless they either win or make it into elite 8.
No.104825
Anonymous
Replies:>>104830
No.104830
Anonymous
>>104825
I am retarded, I meant to say Recette. Still, I'd probably agree on saying she's not even the worst Ms.
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>>104818
>The real fans and artists left him to the dust last year and hope that they take a long hiatus until interest in him or his game regains traction despite TFR memes.
I actually think real TFR fans left/stopped posting past 2021 anyway and its just people who saw the memes and used it who aren't even real TFRfags.
Also honestly I would rather see other VNs character make it into the bracket, 07th Expansion grip on the tourney is boring.
No.104843
Anonymous
Replies:>>104844
>the real TFR fans
The real TFR fags never truly left, they are just that cancerous.
No.104844
Anonymous
>>104843
Ok which season is your favorite then
No.104848
Anonymous
>>104841
I'm hoping for more or better Fate reps this upcoming queen and king. Steins;Gate gets snubbed in these despite being the staple VN.
No.104850
Anonymous
>>104848
It's because Shits;Gay sucks.
No.104851
Anonymous
Replies:>>104852
>>104848
Illya actually does pretty well and has thread presence surprisingly enough
No.104852
Anonymous
>>104851
…And then her anon is fucking gone.
No.104853
Anonymous
>>104841
Danganronpachads this is our year.
No.104854
Anonymous
It would serve Ms. /co/ well (and Ms. /co/ alone) to repeal the Elite Eight ruling.
The heavy hitters will harden the bracket, balancing out spite/FOTM, without outright negating it (which in turn will perform the supposed function of the Elite Eight, preventing high tier stomps every year).
In addition, ending the yearly cuckjail for high tiers will stave off silentfaggotry, and allow those girls to build up some thread presence and year-to-year momentum.
Not relevant in other tournaments because Ms. /co/‘s brand of chaos is unique to it, and none of the others require a stability fix like this.
No.104855
Anonymous
>>104854
Not this shit again.
Replies:>>104860
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>>104854
I legitimately don't get how you're going to convince anybody with the way you present your idea of removing E8. Only for Ms. /co/ for that matter, the motherfucker.
Most of those arguments are purely based on hypothetical in an already chaotic tournament. Legitimately, just don't fix it if it ain't broke.
No.104857
Anonymous
I wish this guy would put his energy into arguing against series limits.
No.104858
Anonymous
Replies:>>104860
>>104857
And randomization.
No.104859
Anonymous
Replies:>>104860
>>104854
This tournament’s broken enough as is and the E8 is one of the few good rules we have, getting rid of it will just make things worse.
No.104860
Anonymous
>>104856
>Ms. /co/
>Not broke
And the balancing patch being specifically targeted to the most chaotic tournament is a feature, not a bug. Introducing a more difficult bracket diminishes cancer strats, which is the predominant issue with Ms /co/.
>>104857
Neutral, good arguments for and against.
>>104858
Literally just a tool for the host to rig. Get rid of it.
>>104859
>E8 is a good rule
Not for Ms /co/, clearly.
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>>104107
Even though I think Eggman would have been a better winner, Batter is still a great champion in his own right. You got to realize that OFF is a cult classic, and is one of the forefathers in the subculture of offbeat/quirky indie games with DEEPLORE. Batter is basically the representative winner for all the games under this psuedo-genre like Undertale, Omori, Lisa, etc. which are quite popular on /v/.
No.104862
Anonymous
Temp...
No.104863
Anonymous
>>104861
>Batter is basically the representative winner for *shitty unfunny zoomer Earthbound-ripoff slop with themes of depression*
Wow, you sure convinced me. What a great winner.
No.104864
Anonymous
Niggers tongue my anus
No.104865
Anonymous
tournaments are gay
tag team is gay
co op is gay
ms/co/ is gay
mr/co/ is gay
queen of /v/ is gay
king of /v/ is gay
You're all fucking faggots
No.104866
Anonymous
>>104865
ok so how u know
No.104868
Anonymous
>>104865
/an/chads, /aco/chads, /his/chads, heroes and villainschads, /mlp/chads, we just can't stop winning.
No.104869
Anonymous
>>104861
>Batter is basically the representative winner for creating one of the best genre ever existed
Based, my favorite winner.
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>>104045
>>104035
Sometimes I wonder about that. I want the characters themselves to win, not it be some epic identity thing where X anon was SO RAD and that's why the character HAD to win. Naturally, drawfags that draw a lot are going to get attention. There's no crime in this happening, the point of art is for people to see it and interpret it some way. But still, too much focus can detract from the main point: CHARACTER tournament. Not an anon tournament. I hope focus can ultimately stay on promoting how cool the characters themselves are, not so much how cool someone's scribbles and memes are. Even if they are cool, it's best if art is a factor of a win. Not the overall reason. That can turn around poorly in some cases, like it did with Wuya. I feel bad for the artfags that weren't NSA, they got thrown in with her. I just draw because I have fun doing so, and well, it DOES help. It'd just be good if maybe we cooled down a LITTLE bit on it, because I'd hate for the pendulum to swing the other way where art attracts spite and fear. That'd be outright toxic.
No.104871
Anonymous
>>104870
You make a good point in regards to people supporting characters because of anons instead of just the character themselves. I think it has to do with the focus on identity, when people support Wario they just fixate on Warioanon instead of just saying Wario campaign itself, this is not an issue with other characters because their RPers/campaigners don't really make themselves to stand out on purpose, but Warioanon does which is why it happens that way. I think artfags need to be careful when going down this path since it can definitely backfire.
No.104872
Anonymous
Replies:>>104873
>>104854
>the anti-E8 fags are back at it
Oh joy.
No.104873
Anonymous
>>104872
It's literally just one guy.
No.104874
Anonymous
>>104870
I did some mistakes that I regret on some characters that don't deserve to win because their personality sucks or don't have any in game. It is why I don't fully support them anymore kek.
No.104875
Anonymous
Today in posts that aged like fucking milk:
>>69091
No.104878
Anonymous
This is why Cloud no longer qualifies.
No.104879
Anonymous
Cloud? More like KWABd!
No.104881
Anonymous
Replies:>>104882
I think if artists and campaigners in general want to avoid becoming tournament personalities and thus too associated with their supported characters, they shouldn't be trying call attention upon themselves in the first place, either by avatarfagging or through other means, see: NSA sharing her DA profile with the tournament, when nobody knew or cared if she had any social media before the fact.
No.104882
Anonymous
>>104881
Wariofag did neither of those and we still associate him with Wario.
No.104884
Anonymous
>>104882
I guess Wariofag just has a very recognizable art style and tends to be a frequent poster.
No.104885
Anonymous
>>104884
Well yeah he's basically the only one campaigning for Wario usually.
No.104886
Anonymous
Replies:>>104892
>>104882
He literally signs his art with "Warioanon"
No.104892
Anonymous
Replies:>>104895
>>104884
>>104886
Ooo now that's bad. Don't want these turning into generals. Spitevoting against Wario now.
Replies:>>104897
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>>104892
You are not funny.
No.104896
Anonymous
Replies:>>104967
>>104882
Anon, he literally go "Warioanon here" a lot, nothing against him but he explicitly make himself stand out.
Replies:>>104900
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>>104895
I don't know I think it's pretty funny myself.
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>>104897
No, it isn't funny.
It's not hilarious, amusing, or hysterical either.
Replies:>>104904
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>>104900
Oh yeah? Then why did it made me laugh?
Replies:>>104909
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>>104901
I suspect because your feeble Brazilian mind was trounced when everyone forgot about you in the nominations and now can only indulge in metagaming and falseflagging.
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>>104904
Hah! It seems like you're pretty funny yourself, bravo! I'll come back.
No.104916
Anonymous
we shoulda never let /v/tards post here
No.104918
Anonymous
we shoulda never let /co/tards post again
No.104921
Anonymous
Replies:>>104922
Co-op duos should stick to their canon sources unless they really work well like Romantic Heat or Demonic Demon Hunters.
No.104922
Anonymous
Replies:>>104924
>>104921
If a team doesn't mesh well, it won't be getting many votes.
No.104924
Anonymous
Replies:>>104925
>>104922
extracurricular school hours does not look like a duo that would mesh well both aesthetically nor character wise but somehow got far.
No.104925
Anonymous
Replies:>>104926
>>104924
A schoolgirl and school teacher that are both zoomer horror shit?
No.104926
Anonymous
>>104925
Both games also have some sense of self-autonomy, at least narratively.
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We should have never let Tienfags post here.
No.104939
Anonymous
Replies:>>104944
>>104875
>randomly brings up a troll post from months ago to give it extra attention
You guys ever think the reason there's so much falseflagging is because it's that easy to get a rise out of you?
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>>104939
Calm down son, it's just funposting
Replies:>>104970
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>>104896
In truth I'm kindof retarded and just used that name for my Pixiv because that's what everybody was calling me for King 2021, I mean names are generally something given, not taken, right?
I've been wanting to change my artfagging name for a while but then worry people would think I'm disavowing the character, couldn't be further from the truth.
No.104970
Anonymous
Replies:>>104971
>>104967
Do you have a Pixiv? Retard me thought you had a deviantart
No.104971
Anonymous
Replies:>>104974
>>104970
Deviantart doesn't allow NSFW, Pixiv does. Also Deviantart has too many retards.
Pixiv DID allow NSFW, until about midway through 2023 when they went on a freakout over nudity
Frustratingly though, they're PAINFULLY more lenient on Japanese artists, who can get away with comically small pixel censors and sometimes just outright uncensored nudity, but will flip if you don't put a FAT censor bar over anything western. But every other site is either dead, even stricter, or awful for organizing. So they're the best reluctant option.
No.104974
Anonymous
Replies:>>104976
>>104971
Well that sucks. You're just called that in Pixiv? Warioanon? I can understand if you don't want to share the name though
No.104976
Anonymous
>>104974
Oh I have no fear in sharing it when asked. I only warn people before clicking because I also like to draw fluffy women, and I know not a lot of people like that
I might just go and change it, rip off the band-aid now while in off-season with a "also called "Warioanon" on /v/" disclaimer. But only after I draw some new art, first. Haven't drawn nature in ages, want to take a crack at it.
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>went bonkers as soon as GAYren was made fun of
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ENOUGH, you will NOT make fun of CHADji the renGOD in these halls, not now, not EVER.
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*punches gut*
AAARGG *forcefeeds him*
No.105075
Anonymous
/dbs/ would be meme jobbers in an /a/ tourney.
No.105076
Anonymous
/dbs/ would be in the E8 every single time in an /a/ tourney.
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Only GODllin stands a chance
No.105080
Anonymous
/dbs/ would be like Cirno and Touhou in general; they may get in the E8 a few times but most of the time remain as mid carders who get spitevoted right before quarterfinals.
No.105081
Anonymous
>>105080
So you're saying they'd got one stomp year? Wouldn't be the first year but second year win for Goku like Reimu I could see.
No.105082
Anonymous
Replies:>>105083
>>105080
>/dbs/ will get an obligatory win with Goku and then become consistent E8/Midcarders
Who’s gonna be the recurring E8 member?
No.105083
Anonymous
Replies:>>105084
>>105082
You already know.
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>>105083
ORE WA...
No.105085
Anonymous
/dbs/fags will be the MDfags of /a/. This is not headcanon or bizarro world, just an accurate prediction of the future.
No.105086
Anonymous
>>105085
... from an alternate timeline.
No.105087
Anonymous
>>105085
Except Dragon Ball is a worldwide cultural phenomenon and not just a topical webseries a bunch of literal children and autists are rabid about.
No.105088
Anonymous
>>105080
>>105085
I could see either happening. In fact, I think those are the only two paths.
No.105092
Anonymous
People shouldn’t nominate characters they have no plans in supporting or campaigning for.
No.105096
Anonymous
>>105092
I VILL nominate a bunch of literal whos that I'll never campaign for and you VILL like it.
No.105098
Anonymous
>>105092
Imagine if people truly did that, it'd be better for everyone but "WE NEED to nominate over seven hundred filler characters!"
No.105127
Anonymous
Losing in finals more than once is objectively worse than continuously losing round 1
No.105128
Anonymous
Replies:>>105130
>>105127
There’s literally been one instance of this ever happening
No.105130
Anonymous
>>105128
And? Still doesn’t change my opinion
No.105132
Anonymous
>>105127
Is it? At least Eggkek has a richer and more interesting match-up history than someone like Banjo. And objectively more victories.
No.105133
Anonymous
>>105132
then Eggman must be doing something wrong if he lost to two RPG schizos
No.105138
Anonymous
>>105132
Yeah, at least we get more funny eggkek OC plus the fact that he participates in both /v/ and /co/.
No.105152
Anonymous
Nominations should be capped at like 4 threads.
No.105160
Anonymous
>>105152
I agree completely. I've been saying this but people whine "What about.... Le euros" or "What about that one obvious nomination miss we get every year"
No, fuck you. By thread 3's ending basically everybody worth nominating is nominated. If only a single anon remembered to nominate a character later on, guess what? Not enough people cared about that character, and they won't do shit in the tourney.
We need more time for qualifiers, one of the three most important rounds of the tourney. It's absolute hell trying to make your character stand out amount over one THOUSAND. I can only imagine it's also a huge pain in the ass for hosts to check and make sure every submission is correct, especially with that many. We just get flooded with samefagged Augie Dougie garbage and the bottom 128 becomes absolutely worthless because of it.
No.105161
Anonymous
Replies:>>105181
>>105160
>"What about.... Le euros"
I wish unwitting anons stopped using this retarded front when many of us Europeans already are used to having to stay up late during the tourney season.
No.105162
Anonymous
>>105152
>>105160
But we must nominate more characters than last year otherwise the tournament is dead
LINE MUST GO UP
NUMBERS MUST GET BIGGER
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>>103504
I know there's been fearposting about AM being yet-another overly hyped schizo alliance character that'll make everybody not a schizo alliance member yet again irrelevant, but honestly that's not even my biggest gripe with him.
It's that he's not a fucking video game character. He's a sci-fi novel character that was adapted into a point and click adventure after the fact. It's not some public domain reinterpretation like Dracula in castlevania, no the author literally adapted his BOOK into Vidya. People crucified NSA for letting Lain into Queen /v/, so why the fuck does AM get a pass for being the exact same shit? We rightfully mock the Dragonball fags for wanting Xenoverse character in /v/, but they no less legitimacy than AM.
It really feels like either hypocrisy or rukes-lawyering semantics to let AM in. He's not a video game character. Save him for king of /trash/ or something like that.
No.105165
Anonymous
>>105164
It's the same case with Geralt btw. I think with them they're just so much more vidya and /v/-famous that it feels unfair not to let them in. But technically no, they're not vidya. But there were definitely worse offenders like Rebecca (who was never vidya at any point).
I remember fucking Arcane was banned in 2022 for not being /co/ (since rescinded) but leniency of /v/ in comparison is remarkable.
No.105166
Anonymous
>>105164
NSAbro btw
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They won.
No.105171
Anonymous
>>105170
my winner and the non-Goku guys
No.105172
Anonymous
>>105164
The original IHNMAIMS is a short story I'd never heard of until after beating the game. The game's story is greatly expanded compared to the original book, and one of the main reasons it's so beloved is the voice acting and the the artstyle, both of which have nothing to do with the book. On top of that the main reason it's beloved on /v/ in particular is the game, scarcely anyone cares about the short story. Anti-AM discourse always struck me as salty rulefagging from people who hate either the game or the character.
No.105180
Anonymous
Replies:>>105187
>>105165
The Witcher games and Witcher books have been considered different properties for a few years now ever since the author sued CDPR. They’re canonically and legally two different properties, the games only been made as a non-canon continuation of the books rather than being a coverage of them (Something that IHNMAIMS does).

So while both have /lit/ origins, Geralt is more suitably /v/ related due to the games being a non-canon continuation of the books and not a coverage of them.
No.105181
Anonymous
Replies:>>105182
>>105161
Only those who anticipate these tourneys or have fucked up sleep schedule. For me qualifiers start at 2 am. For someone with fucked up sleep schedule it's ok, but even woth that I'm usually only able to stay awake for 1 thread.
No.105182
Anonymous
Replies:>>105184
>>105181
Oh, and I guess fuck russians and asians.
No.105183
Anonymous
Replies:>>105185
>>105170
Isaac? Winner material.
No.105184
Anonymous
>>105182
South and Southeast asians would actually be fine. Capping nominations mostly fucks over euros and the Middle East.
No.105186
Anonymous
>>105152
I can agree to cutting the nomination round time, say in half to 12 hours to reduce the clutter and lull period of no real nominations. I cannot support a set specific amount of threads, it sounds good in theory but a disaster in reality.
Main reason is because you only get 300 image slots max per thread for nominations. I guarantee you, 100%, if we get 3-4 threads that people will nominate their 1-5 shit literal who picks right at the front and then proceed to try to spam as many unrelated meme and funpost images as they can to max out the image limit and give their shit picks far less competition by not letting them get nominated. If you get 5-10 people doing this you could really fuck up the nominations. From experience this already happens on /co/ (especially the last threads) and I could not imagine how bad /v/ would be especially with shorter archive times. The heavyweights are among the first nominated so they won't have an issue still making it in, but we might very well end up with 300 qualified nominees and 150 of them are samefagged literal who AD-type candidates that are usually the 1000th place characters over the stronger list of characters who make up the top 300. And that's for /co/, /v/ would be worse
No.105187
Anonymous
>>105180
The canon coverage between the IHNMaIMS game and the original short story is kind of dubious since they follow a different plot and there exist contradictions in the backstories of some of the characters. The game is NOT meant to be a sequel to the story, contrary to what I have seen some people assume.
I think with the way Harlan went about it, he was trying to make the narrative of the game an actualization on the short story on top of expanding upon it.
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>>105165
The rules have literally always allowed for Rebbeca's entry.
https://4tourney.wikitide.org/wiki/Queen_of_/v/_2023#Character_/_series_eligibility
>Characters debuting in non-vidya media that is part of an established vidya franchise are accepted. (e.g. Miss Pauling first appeared in WAR! Comic, a tie-in webcomic to Team Fortress 2's WAR! Update. Fate/Apocrypha is originally a light novel, but Jeanne d'Arc also appears in the gacha game Fate/Grand Order; furthermore, the Fate franchise began as a visual novel. Uma Musume was first announced as a mobile gacha game, but it was delayed to the point that the anime came out first; regardless, both the game and the anime are equally popular among fans.)
Which has also basically been the rules since 2020.
https://4tourney.wikitide.org/wiki/Queen_of_/v/_2020
Rebecca is by this definition perfectly eligeble unless there is a rule change, or else you'd have to get rid of tons of other stuff that technically didn't debut in a game by side material or some shit.
I understand why people wouldn't want her in, but the reason is literally just seethe cause they don't want cyberpunk in the tourney like that.

Lain doesn't meet the rules due to the game release date difference, in comparison.
Characters like Morrison from DMC do, Saxton Hale, etcetera and Rebecca herself, or David, and so on.
Maybe you could've added an additional clause saying that the character needs to be in a video game in the flesh (not just mentioned) to count too. Then you'd get characters like Saxton, or more niche, Kasen from Touhou, who is a manga character featured in an official fighting game spinoff after her original debut.

As for Geralt and AM-style cases, there should've been a rule that judged non-vidya characters who got video games, should they have entered round 1 (thus they'd be more efficiently filtered out and saving us from the whitelist of autism) but NightShift doesn't know shit about video games except Undertale and couldn't judge that. Worst thing is, she wouldn't even let Balls judge it in that case.
No.105189
Anonymous
Replies:>>105191
>>105188
Or actually, when I think of it, technically Rebecca doesn't qualify since Cyberpunk started as a table top RPG. Unless Cyberpunk's modern game is counted as a separate instance/spin off.
Nevermind that, but still, these are probably the better clarifications on the rules to do if we get a competent host.
No.105190
Anonymous
Replies:>>105193
>>105188
Then the rules suck because Lain participating is more reasonable than Rebecca, since Lain is at the very least in an actual game.
No.105191
Anonymous
>>105189
This also made me think. If AM is generally ruled as eligeble, are all the characters from the game too? The weird grey area where it's just one character vs the game should be established.
No.105193
Anonymous
Replies:>>105207
>>105190
Rebbeca apparently appears on an icon in the Cyberpunk game as of patch 2.0, so she's about half as eligeble as JPEG Dog based on that. This is why the game-grey area needs to be cleared up: >>105191
No.105194
Anonymous
Anime characters should be allowed if they have a heavy focus on vidya or are based on a vidya franchise
there badabig solved it for ya
No.105197
Anonymous
If a character doesn't have an actual presence in a video game, it shouldn't be allowed in a video game tournament.
No.105198
Anonymous
Replies:>>105199
I find all this rulefagging pedantic because the question should boil down to if the character in question was popularized and owes their iconicity to their VIDEOGAME appearance. I'm not going to vote for a character that belongs to a videogame franchise, but who has no remarkable roles in any game title.
No.105199
Anonymous
Replies:>>105201
>>105198
Then you gotta have a host that knows all video games
No.105201
Anonymous
>>105199
Not really, you just need someone who is not an idiot and/or a dishonest asshole (like NSA).
No.105204
Anonymous
Replies:>>105207
>>105188
Whatever the rules technically may say about Rebecca it doesn't matter cause her inclusion is retarded as common sense should dictate. A character NOT from a video game and has NEVER been in ANY video game should not be in a video game tournament. She is purely /a/.
No.105207
Anonymous
>>105204
She has actually
>>105193
But it's less than vault dweller tier
No.105208
Anonymous
/v/, known for voting for the dumbest shit inclusions and rules, did not even vote for Rebecca to stay. It was overwhelming enough NSA couldn't even rig it.
No.105303
Anonymous
>>105191
>If AM is generally ruled as eligeble, are all the characters from the game too?
I nominated the Russian computer as a joke last year and at no point did the hosts take issue with it, so yes, I assume that's the case. But it's not like anyone else has a chance of actually qualifying or whatever.
No.105307
Anonymous
>>105191
You absolutely could, but can't see anyone else having a shot at winning. The main five's flaws by design make any of them hard to rally around, and even if you did they're still not as exciting as the evil computer god.
No.105309
Anonymous
I nominated Spider-Man from Marvel vs. Capcom last year primarily because Doctor Doom had been voted in, and yet neither were reported on the qualifier results. Maybe the hosts had a change of heart on that one?
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NSA shouldn't have been allowed to host any of the 2023 tournaments and it's honestly shameful we had to discover she's actually a gigaschizo to take any serious action against her.
No.105481
Anonymous
Replies:>>105493
>>105418
I agree, but again what were we supposed to do? We're words on a screen to NSA, we hold no power against her
No.105485
Anonymous
Replies:>>105594
>>105418
Ideally we would have at minimum moved on from her touching /v/, but that didn't happen. On the converse, most direct damage she could have caused would have already happened in 2022. Last year her biggest crime other than the poor bracket merge was secretly falseflagging against Ammy, which may as well happened regardless of hosting.
No.105493
Anonymous
Replies:>>105500
>>105481
Ideally we would have overthrown him, but the only person who was both around and willing to forcefully kick out a host was Temp Anon, who while less crooked is also more incompetent
No.105500
Anonymous
Replies:>>105512
>>105418
The biggest problem in this has always been more hosts. For all NSA's blunders in 2022 they still came out looking the best of the worst cause of the shitty alternative prospects. Also NSA held host seniority so I guess that made them the boss of hosts or something.
>>105493
I think Temp's also, while less malevolent, just as much an asshole autist. See them constantly coming here and trying to make a full takeover at every opportunity and without even mentioning any other existent hosts.
No.105510
Anonymous
>>105418
Hindsight is a bitch bro
No.105512
Anonymous
>>105500
>See them constantly coming here and trying to make a full takeover at every opportunity and without even mentioning any other existent hosts.
When?
No.105551
Anonymous
Replies:>>105560
I only vote for characters with fun campaigns and games I can enjoy in any kind of way.
No.105560
Anonymous
Replies:>>105569
>>105551
Eggman sisters....
No.105569
Anonymous
>>105560
I vote for Eggman.
No.105594
Anonymous
>>105485
I don't know why people kept insisting Balls would become the main /v/ host starting last year, in my eyes it was very obvious NSA was still the one at the helm.
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Gentlemen, I've figured out the solution to the AM debate:
We simply have him participate in Mr /co/ instead of King /v/.
He had a comic book that came out before the video game, and if that can get Ms Pauline or Saxton Hale into /co/, why not AM? Mr /co/ doesn't have a schizo alliance issue, and he'd actually be MORE legal there, as the comic is only the second version of IHNMAIMS, while the vidya is the third one.
And to top it all off, we can still get an Eggman vs Schizo match thanks to the Robotnik grandfather clause.
No.105631
Anonymous
>>105595
That's actually genius
No.105632
Anonymous
>>105595
That's retarded.
No.105633
Anonymous
Replies:>>105634
>>105595
Transplanting schizo autism into Mr Co sounds like the terrorist route
No.105634
Anonymous
Replies:>>105635
>>105633
At this point AM barely has anything to do with schizo alliance autism.
No.105635
Anonymous
>>105634
I was refering to the Schizo vs Eggman part
No.105666
Anonymous
Anyone who uses success in side tourneys as evidence of character strength is a moron.
No.105670
Anonymous
>>105595
All this tells me is that Bowser is too much of pussy to compete in the same bracket as AM.
No.105671
Anonymous
>>105666
but I'm glad Max got to E8 after winning Tag Team
No.105677
Anonymous
>>105666
Yes and no
It can signify a character making a tournament or getting close but it's not like Mansley will win Mr /co/ ever because he won this
No.105678
Anonymous
Replies:>>105682
>>105677
Mansleybros...
No.105682
Anonymous
>>105678
more like manslet lmao
No.105685
Anonymous
Wuya is not a bad winner. In fact, I'd say she's the second best Ms. /co/ winner. Still not very good, but better than everyone that isn't named Jenny.
No.105686
Anonymous
Every winner is good except spinel and I’m tired of jennyfags shitting on every other winner
No.105688
Anonymous
Every winner is meh at best
No.105690
Anonymous
Spinel was based and I'm tired of pretending she wasn't.
No.105692
Anonymous
Replies:>>105696
I'm actually ok with all of the autism going in the /v/ tournaments and I find it fun as long as characters themselves are videogame ones. Fuck ecelebs thought.
No.105694
Anonymous
>>105677
It's mostly because duo characters like him and the general work much better as tag-team than individual, you can see it as well with other teams that made it elite 8.
No.105695
Anonymous
BETRAYING and TRAPPING someone in the hyperbolic time chamber should be the true punishment instead of lazy asterisks
No.105696
Anonymous
>>105692
My heroes will win!
No.105709
Anonymous
Replies:>>105713
Most of the opinions expressed in this thread arrn't controversial.
No.105713
Anonymous
>>105709
ok silver
No.105714
Anonymous
John Silver sucks
No.105718
Anonymous
Plunderer's really are overrated as fuck.
No.105729
Anonymous
Alex didn't deserve to be the face of the nigger buff.
No.105731
Anonymous
Replies:>>105732
>>105729
it also shouldn't be called that
No.105732
Anonymous
Replies:>>105735
>>105729
Wrong.
>>105731
Double wrong.
No.105735
Anonymous
>>105732
He's not even the worst case of this.
No.105740
Anonymous
Goku won
No.105741
Anonymous
Grimm and Batter forever ruined the chances of RPGmaker games like fear and hunger characters doing well.
No.105743
Anonymous
>>105741
Oh no, my characters from le heckin Earthbound-inspired quirky indie RPGs with themes of depression won't do well anymore even though we already have 2 winners from those types of games! I can't take it anymore!
No.105744
Anonymous
Replies:>>105755
>>105741
>fear and hunger
they first have to qualify, anon
No.105746
Anonymous
Replies:>>105784
2022 was a good year in terms of winners. Of the four main tourneys I liked all of them but Jack
No.105750
Anonymous
>>105743
>le heckin Earthbound-inspired quirky indie RPGs with themes of depression
I thought we had worn out that label by now. It's always been a more broad "weirder indie RPG with heavy themes", but even then OFF and Black Souls are both hardly what I'd call in the heart of that.
No.105753
Anonymous
>>105743
Don’t worry, once undertale is considered nostalgic in like 5 years we will get wins for them too!
No.105754
Anonymous
Replies:>>105756
>>105753
Hey maybe an Omori boy can finally qualify too.
No.105755
Anonymous
>>105741
While you aren't quite wrong about King of /v/ at least, I also feel most of these were no hopers anyways. The only true loss here would be Brad Armstrong. Rest of the notable guys I could think of from RPG Maker games like Fear & Hunger, Omori, or (the first) Hylics aren't even reliable qualifiers like what >>105744 said. At this point, Madotsuki is the last serious contender from RPG Maker titles that could actually win, which would a fitting cap-off considering her game's general impact. Ib and maybe Niko could qualify, but they are definitely not winning. Even Alice just seems like a less exciting pick than Grimm going forward, different tournament or not.

>>105753
The game's already nine years old and usually loses in the first two rounds barring special exceptions. I don't think even another five years is going to help it much. Kek
No.105756
Anonymous
Replies:>>105758
>>105754
There's surely other timelines where Omori got a way bigger reception on /v/, but we certainly aren't in one. Even with her strong campaign last year, I'm not even confident in Mari making it again.
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>>105755
>Niko
I wish.
>>105756
Mari will definitely qualify again, especially after her great LB run. Would probably job early to a powerhouse sadly.
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>>105755
>The game's already nine years old
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>>105761
Wait I just noticed that wtf. Toby please release all of Deltarune before I die of old age.
No.105766
Anonymous
As someone who's pushed for Sunny in the past, I didn't need Grimm's win to accept that he's likely a never ever to win. The fact he'd HAVE to embrace his schizo side to be interesting would be even harder now, but that's not even a factor if he can't qualify in the first place. All four main tournaments have been going for over half a decade now, so sometimes it's just best to accept certain series just aren't meant to be in them. Absolutely don't want to discourage people from trying, but it's still fine to be realistic here about odds as well. Besides, you've always got people like the Dr. T guy still having fun during qualifiers every year.

>>105761
We're likely getting Deltarune's first paid chapters right on Undertale's tenth anniversary as well with the current pace according to Toby. I'm very curious where he's even going after that's wrapped up, but that's getting off-track here.
No.105785
Anonymous
>>105729
He deserves that and worse. Alex is shit, Yiik is shit, and fuck anyboy sympathizing with that soyboy garbage
No.105786
Anonymous
>>105784
Garland
No.105787
Anonymous
>>105784
maybe the only character named Jack that won a main tournament in 2022?
No.105788
Anonymous
>>105784
O-Lantern
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Enough of this "safe" controversy like "Look at me I'm the fiftieth post to complain about the schizo alliance". Let's get ACTUALLY controversial. Who do you think is the best winner of every year, and why? My choices are
>2018: Johnny Bravo. He's just so entertaining and endearing
>2019: It hurts to not pick Samus, but Senator Armstrong is just far too kino of a winner, MGR was such a good game. Best inaugural winner of any tourney, ever
>2020: Tom. I love Tom and Jerry
>2021: Man this year really fucking sucks for winners, all finalists except Hilda are outright superior to the actual "winners". If we aren't counting side tourneys like /aco/ I like Grievous the most, because he was pretty awesome in Genndy Clone wars. Absolutely not more than Hank Hill, but Grievous is still cool
>2022: Midna. Used to be absolutely obsessed with Twilight Princess, still have a big crush on Midna. Hurts not to pick Fang but I loved Fang for her show, not as much being a mute actual Dinosaur. TP is a pretty good game and Midna is just the best part of it. Zorak is alright but Space Ghost himself should've been the winner for that show.
>2023: A damn tough choice between Skeletor, Curly, and Loona. I really like all three but Skeletor edges out over the other two just slightly, he's just so much fun. Loona's show isn't great but for a porn tourney she's a phenomenal icon. Cave Story is also a fantastic game but Curly doesn't do nearly enough in it to beat Skeletor. Grimm is alright and Wuya is a rigger nigger
No.105794
Anonymous
No.105797
Anonymous
>>105793
>"Let's get ACTUALLY controversial."
>proceeds to voice no controversial opinions
No.105799
Anonymous
>>105793
My opinions are way more controversial
No.105802
Anonymous
>>105793
My most controversial opinion is Fang is the best Ms /co/ winner, not because she's incredible but because most Ms /co/ winners are just THAT bad. Jenny's alright but Fang is cooler.
No.105807
Anonymous
Enough of this "safe" controversy like "Look at me I'm the fiftieth post to talk about how Skeletor is a good winner". Let's get ACTUALLY controversial. I think NSA is bad.
No.105808
Anonymous
Replies:>>105809
alright should the FOTM rule apply to already existing characters that have had recent content in less then a month?
No.105809
Anonymous
Replies:>>105822
>>105808
The FOTM rule shouldn't exist at all. It's pussy shit.
No.105811
Anonymous
>>105793
Those are all very milquetoast opinions.
>Zorak is mediocre. It would have been better had the plunderer autism not gotten a big lift.
>Grievous is where the underdog meta problem started.
>Fang is a very whatever winner. I didn't feel strongly for or against her. But I think she got way overhyped for being an ebin dino subversion.
>Recette is in a reasonably arguable regard worse than Spinel.
>A character being largely unrecognizable is a valid complaint.
>The overreactions to the muzzle drawings really were kind of gay and autistic, even if it led to good things.
>We should come up with more punchlines than rape and cucking.
>/dbs/ is kind of funny at first or in small doses but they get way too much slack for some reason, especially seeing on-topic spammers get bashed before them.
No.105813
Anonymous
Replies:>>105816
>>105811
>>Grievous is where the underdog meta problem started.
This is one is factually wrong because people were already hyping up underdog meta with Tom the year before, plus nobody really saw Grievous as an underdog.
No.105814
Anonymous
I like the underdog meta and think the positives by far outweigh the negatives of it.
No.105815
Anonymous
>>105793
>"Look at me I'm the fiftieth post to complain about the schizo alliance"
You mean *YOU* are not complaining about them for once?
No.105816
Anonymous
Replies:>>105817
>>105813
Yes but the "problem" didn't start with Tom. Grievous was the first campaign champ and in a year that kickstarted the heavy meta.
No.105817
Anonymous
>>105816
Then the meta problem is not about underdogs.
No.105818
Anonymous
Underdogs are shit and we shouldn't have them as winners.
No.105821
Anonymous
Replies:>>105823
"Underdog" is a pretty stupid idea in a popularity tournament, and it always paradoxically makes them not an underdog at all. By this point a "normal" winner are the serious underdogs
No.105822
Anonymous
>>105809
Series limits should be up to four, three is too limiting and stupid
No.105823
Anonymous
>>105821
A "normal" winner as in an expected outcome.
No.105824
Anonymous
Replies:>>105825
An "underdog" winner once in a while is fine, if it's a character that's good and was just kind of in a predicament of never having a breakout year they deserved. Actual bumfuck nobody underdogs suck. Zorak was a good underdog. Batter is questionable. Recette sucked.
No.105825
Anonymous
Replies:>>105827
>>105824
Zorak is a terrible underdog winner
No.105826
Anonymous
>>105811
>Disagreed. Plunderers is whatever, Zorak winning didn't even boost them in both side tournaments and the next year.
>Maybe, but Grievous himself isn't really an underdog.
>This one's just subjective, I disagree but fair
>Agreed. Rigging is gay and lame but Spinel is a better winner than Recette ever will be.
>Also agreed, but only in terms of a 4chan scope. Grimm isn't recognizable at large but to /v/ he's special.
>Fucking this. Raping characters is a running gag but putting a muzzle on a god dog is where we drew the line and had an outrage? Come on.
>That being said, also agreed. It's funny with Grimm because rape is in character. The rest are forced and frankly obnoxious. I'm sick of how much GETs are forced in general and the OOC push a lot of characters like King Boo or Alex get.
>I'm just used to them, it's funny. I think it's mainly because /dbs/ is a general 4chan thing that I see all the time, and the tournaments are just another Tuesday for them.
No.105827
Anonymous
>>105825
I agree. Got any examples of who would be a good underdog winner?
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>>105826
It vexxes me when "people" (aka mostly the Anti-Silverfag) act like The Plunderers are this unstopabble force that have the tournaments in a chokehold when they continue losing early on during the side tournaments or straight up fail to qualify for the main bracket. Same thing applies to the guy who went back to doomposting about AM immediatly after Co-op had ended even though the guy lost r1 and qualified as a low seed.
No.105829
Anonymous
>>105826
The plunderers thing doesn’t have to do so much with their actual performance as them just becoming the wanked gold standard of rp campaigning or whatever.
I kind of fail to see the humor in dbs over time. At first I think it’s funny cause the sheer retardation but you do eventually notice that there’s a staggering lack of variety in the jokes. You can say they’re just 4chan culture at this point (via brute force) but it’s very close to Pepe and Wojack tier in that regard.
No.105830
Anonymous
>>105829
>them just becoming the wanked gold standard of rp campaigning or whatever.
...according to my headcanon btw
No.105831
Anonymous
Replies:>>105834
>>105828
>thinking the side tournaments will affect the main tournaments in any way, shape or form
AM will have a high seed and will sweep King.
No.105832
Anonymous
>>105829
I think I might just have a low standard for my sense of humor, just the nickname "Bejita" gets me to smile a little bit.
No.105833
Anonymous
Replies:>>105835
>>105829
I just wanna know why the hate? I would’ve understood the hate if the roleplayers were obnoxious like loudfags or frogfags but from what I’ve seen they were always the most chill roleplayers around, I’ve never seen them sperg out at any time they’ve lost. To the contrary I’ve always seen them respect and support the picks they lost to.
No.105834
Anonymous
Replies:>>105843
>>105831
It's not like AM is not a contender for this year's crown, but I fail to see how most meta factors said to be in his favor are going to guarantee him the win. If he gets far I predict he's going to have hard time ultimately coming at the top.
No.105835
Anonymous
>>105833
Overrated.
No.105836
Anonymous
>>105835
Ironic thing to say to such a widely regarded as underrated movies and show.
No.105837
Anonymous
Replies:>>105871
>>105835
Overrated by what standards, if they sometimes fail to qualify and don't often get far?
No.105838
Anonymous
I personally love all the rape jokes if it has irony or a comedic lense to it and leads to nice developments like Rance getting raped by everyone.
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A critical thing our friend anti-plunderer/silverfag fails to understand is that 70% of the mentions of these characters in meta discussion come exclusively from him. I'm one of the few people on /co/ to start and actively seek out Treasure Planet discussion on the board and I think this dude cares about John Silver's tournament presence more than I possibly could.
No.105840
Anonymous
I think it’s weird that Mr. /co/lympus specifically is obsessed with Treasure Island. Even disregarding the Treasure Planet overlap I keep seeing anons nominate characters (and multiple Liveseys) from every single animated adaptation of TI imaginable.
No.105841
Anonymous
>>105840
>I keep seeing anons nominate characters (and multiple Liveseys) from every single animated adaptation of TI imaginable.
That's just a meme trend which began with Livesey's rise in popularity during 2022 (which almost cost him a spot in the bracket btw). Don't think it's any deeper than that.
No.105842
Anonymous
>>105835
You don’t even know what that word means.
No.105843
Anonymous
Replies:>>105844
>>105834
All the AM shit is such fake outrage. His 2022 run that got him to 4th place had jack to do with the schizo alliance, people just want to start shit.
No.105844
Anonymous
Replies:>>105845
>>105843
Plus, if it really boiled down to Schizo Alliance AM would have already won and beaten Jack.
No.105845
Anonymous
Replies:>>105846
>>105844
Jack just had more hype backing him up that's why AM couldn't beat him.
No.105846
Anonymous
>>105845
Yeah, but it had absolutely nothing to do with alliance autism. It's a non-factor.
No.105847
Anonymous
Replies:>>105848
>>105840
Reminder NSA basically rigged Livesey in the first year when he placed 129th by "accidentally" leaving another character out by series rule and if Livesey didn't make it then he would have never qualified for a tournament
No.105848
Anonymous
>>105847
I honestly think that was a genuine accident because I don't recall NSA being one of the Livesey campaigners.
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this isn't a thing that anyone is saying now but i know it's going to come up in the future so i'm pre-empting the discussion
i don't think ENA can be considered an underdog anymore. she's seeded high in both her runs and made the elite 8. is she a wild card? yes. a campaigner favorite? most definitely. but an underdog? i'm not so sure.
>>105811
>>/dbs/ is kind of funny at first or in small doses but they get way too much slack for some reason, especially seeing on-topic spammers get bashed before them.
it simply is not worth the effort to complain about them because they're too autistic to ever get the hint and fuck off. that, or they're actively malicious. they're apparently frequent ban evaders too, so we couldn't even drop the hammer on them.
the solution, as with most of the bullshit on this site, is to ignore them.
No.105856
Anonymous
>they're "overrated"
Anon please...
No.105858
Anonymous
Replies:>>105860
>>105855
>ENAfag is anti-/dbs/
Alright, that's it. You took it too far. Now she's definitely getting my vote.
No.105859
Anonymous
Round 3 of King of /v/ 2022 wasn't that bad.
No.105861
Anonymous
>>105860
That's hot. Battlerbro btw
No.105862
Anonymous
Replies:>>105865
>>105860
underaged ban-evading third-worlder btw
No.105867
Anonymous
>>105861
Jackbro...
No.105868
Anonymous
Who cares, where's Vince?
No.105869
Anonymous
>>105868
In the enclosed pool area, garage side door is open
No.105870
Anonymous
>>105861
Vincebro…
No.105871
Anonymous
Replies:>>105879
>>105837
>by what standards,
Campaign rp wank. Hadn’t that been mentioned? Also just general alliance autism.
No.105873
Anonymous
Replies:>>105876
Joker (Persona 5) did nothing wrong
No.105876
Anonymous
>>105873
More like he did nothing.
No.105879
Anonymous
>>105871
The Plunderers are far from being considered the "golden standard" of RP or anything of the short. The Silveranon isn't even the only roleplayer to have an avatarfag here.
No.105880
Anonymous
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