/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

Geralt lost.

The main character of Queen next year
>Ammy
The character of King next year
>Eggman until he jobs and then its whoever the upstart surprise campaign monster is

>>170744
Finally, someone Banjo could beat.

>>170746
No.

King line-up without schizo autism ever happening
>Armstrong
>Dante
>Eggman
>Garland
>Wario
>JC Denton
This is more in line with Mr. and Queen line-ups.

>Phoenix
Jobbed to Soy food.

>>170756
I think Grimm still could've won, the schizo parallels didn't happen until the finals and that's only because Eggman was in finals again.

>>170767
I think 2021 created a flash hype kind of atmosphere for King that at least somewhat helped Grimm. Furthermore no Eggman in 2023 then no R4 wall for Wario that year either.

>>170756
Eggman, Wario, and Denton can't catch a break. All /v/ classics who get so close but have threads turned against them for memes or shonen arc crap.

>>170770
Games being a certified /v/ classic can only take you so far, anon. Memes and good campaigns go a long way. I guarantee you Shadow would have lost if it wasn't for all the autism and two /f/ pieces of art done to support him as the matches went.
The fact Wario lost due to a literal act of God should tell as much.

>>170703
He might've been legit the biggest case of E8 bracket luck ever in King.

>>170770
Doomguy was gatekept from the E8 this year by only 6 votes. If he had one more person focused on pushing him he probably could've made it IMO.

>>170773
That's part of the problem people have. Some anons took it far but people did have a point when they said Jackson singlehandedly carried Shadow even if he had other OC makers join in. Obviously passion is much appreciated and so is having great OC but it becomes unfair when one character has the clear advantage and that feels pretty blatantly shown in King. People think Regigigas and AM had a chance but I honestly never saw it. Shadow had too much momentum and the OC on his side was obviously being anticipated and hyped up much more even if the other side had good shit.
The parallel to Mr. /co/ 2023 isn't entirely unfounded. Skeletor was the classic three time elite, while Zim was the OC campaign machine making a long overdue run after mainly being a jobber (though he still had a better performance than Shadow). I could stretch it a bit further by saying Skeletor's appeal was on being a classic cartoon character who was insanely quotable and iconic like JC, while Zim had an autistic fanbase born on the internet like Shadow.

>>170732
>>170771
Unfortunately rping or writefagging doesn't get as much attention as other OC, I saw dummies claiming Raiden and Phoenix were silent even though they had a lot of both.

How long do you think it'll take before someone like lessons in meme culture gets wind of Samposting and we're shit and finished? There's no way something as autistic as the Sameralds won't bleed out into the broader internet sphere

>>170802
>a super strong character can lose instantly just like that because one (1) fag says they're silent even though they clearly aren't
I can kinda understand it when it happened to Guts in a side tournament even though it's still shit but seeing it happen in a mainline tournament like this makes it just so much worse.

>>170803
I've seen Samposting in
>Death Battle threads
>The TGA sticky thread
>a random completely unrelated /co/ thread
I also remember someone saying they randomly saw King Boo GETposting for a 0 in a completely non-tournament related thread last year.

>>170799
Jackson did indeed carry Shadow. The man built up a hype train towards Shadow that would have no brakes until the finals. JCbros had incredible OC, but the sprite/paint/flash works were certainly captivating enough to make people want to see more of the "absurdity" happening right before their eyes. Hell, everything about Jackson screamed "car crash you can't take your eyes out of" level of entertainment and edge.
But then so what? What's the problem people have with it that can't be seemed as "people upset someone else got the attention and their pick lost"? I get upset too when my picks lose. I got upset when Johnny Cage lost because it meant not seeing more of that Johnny video producer, but at what point can it be considered objectively unfair and not just the other side being sore losers?

>>170803
I can conceivably see Samposting spreading outside 4chan, but I don't think one meme escaping would lead to all the tournaments getting attention. It would take a dedicated video from an e-celeb with some clout to do it.

>>170829
I just realized that the reason Geralt probably even qaulified for King /v/ 2020 is because of the netflix series boost he had that year.

>>170829
>it's real
IT'S OVER

>>170829
Not accurate enough, you didn't drag it out to 12 minutes and go on enough meaningless tangents

>>170820
At a certain point it no longer feels like a character thing and more of a campaigner or meta thing. Once in a while having a core pick win at least can balance it out but KoV has been sort of following this trend for four years now. QoV had a stark example with the whole Hex thing, but King is the most forward and accepting of any of the tourneys in just being momentary thread vote crazy.

>>170836
Bull fucking shit, Pepsiman only came out in Japan

>>170845
>Shadow
>AND Garland
Ohohoho... Four years straight of Schizo Winners
I think our 2025 King is already on that image as well.

>>170826
It's more about the atmosphere Batter set than being strictly schizo anymore.

>>170848
If he isn't... HE WILL BE.

>>170848
Goku is not allowed.

>>170841
Even if he did a vid like this the details are so vague and retarded I don't think it'd actually sabotage tourneys. You'd need some fag to give at least a fairly accurate account and specific instructions of where/when it's voted on.

>>170850
I fully support this endeavor

>>170853
[spoiler]that's the joke, if anybody gives coverage Moist critikal should be the one because he's just a lucky retard. People will get bored of searching and Samposting is just a joke on normienet
If someone thorough like Internet historian did it? Oh man we'd be fucked[/spoiler]

https://rentry.org/sameralds
Who got the most sameralds?

>>170820
What >>170842 said. At a certain point it feels like a race between who makes the craziest thing for their character and it dates the tournaments. OC is fun but like it or not these tournaments are supposed to be about the characters who best represent the board.

>>170861
Probably spawned my 2nd favorite vocaroo of the tournament
https://vocaroo.com/1mfkTKZPMuW3

>>170851
yet

>>170820
It baffled me that people were so surprised by the flash game when we had literal RPG Maker game OC in 2022

>>170842
>>170863
>OC is fun but like it or not these tournaments are supposed to be about the characters who best represent the board.
>"Why do this: Although the main purpose of the tournaments may be best conceived of as a yearly decision for garlanding /v/'s favorite characters, it also acts as a major gathering for OC creation, /v/ media & character appreciation and discovery, and just general fun."
Picked that up from the rules bin. It's not just "vote for whoever is the most /v/core character". It's also about selling your prefered characters to other people - some who even learn about their games for the first time because of these campaigns. Happened with OFF, happened with Black Souls, happened with Faith, and I believe it happened with Deus Ex when someone posted a link to get the game for free. They get intrigued on why people love these characters so much and it generates vidya discussion.
Now, I can't speak for OOC campaigns, but it seems to be doing the tourney's intended job.

>>170866
RPG maker is like two steps above Playstation Dreams or Xbox Project Spark.
I'm pretty sure RPGmaker has been sold ON the Playstation before.

>>170869
What of Flash then?

I wonder if people will campaign for Adam Jensen next year since JC is a hard hitter in these tournaments and Deus Ex is beloved.

>>170866
Scout had RPGmaker OC but that didn't stop him from dying to silent Snake in Round 3, but the flash game is treated as an act of god that means Shadow deserves the win now.

>>170870
Well he definitely had to draw all of those assets at minimum
And this is on TOP of everything else he did. One crazy project, such as a New jager residence video isn't so much if you can dedicate the whole day to it. But Jackson had already made a ton of stuff that round

>>170867
Pretty much, yeah. There's actually a good amount of games I would've never played if not for the tournaments.
Speaking of, what games have you played because of the tournaments? For me it's
>OFF (from KoV 2021)
>Recettear (from QoV 2021)
>Hotline Miami (from KoV 2023)
>Hollow Knight (from QoV 2022)
>FAITH (from KoV 2022)
>Slay the Princess (from QoV 2024)
>Black Souls (from QoV 2023)
>OMORI (from QoV 2023)
>Deus Ex (from KoV 2024)
>Snoot Game (from QoV 2023)
Also this King of /v/ added Disco Elysium and Shadow Generations to my bucket list

>>170841
Perfect

>>170874
Oh also I played the Coffin of Incest game after the 2023 tournaments but it blew ass, would not recommend

>>170878
What would you expect, people just talk about the porn not the gameplay

>>170874
FAITH, Hotline Miami, and OMORI are the big ones for me. I also plan on going back to Pizza Tower soon since I only played a couple hours of it.

>>170874
Dead Rising (from Ko/v/ '22), but I never finished it.

I know that nobody wants to admit it yet, but Shadow had everything he needed to win this year. He already had momentum even before getting the swarms of OC coverage he got. He was 9th seed this year without anything or anyone like Jackson pushing him to it. His OC makers took every opportunity to involve him in with other plots like the Sam Fragments, turning it into something that fit with their campaign, while still covering the matches Shadow had on those very rounds.


And on top of that, they used the smartest strategy they could, saving their biggest OCs for the final threads of a round, the ones that everyone is tuning into, instead of sprinkling it throughout the threads. I think come 2025, we're gonna see a lot of different characterfags taking notes from both Shadow's campaign and Sam's campaign, and I expect to see an insanely competitive 2025 because of it.

>>170882
>He was 9th seed this year without anything or anyone like Jackson pushing him to it
Blaze also randomly made top 10 seed, it's just an abundance of Sonicfags this year for some reason.

>>170867
The phrasing still notes the underlying purpose is based in favorite character for the board. Yes OC is the icing, but that and discovery are there as an additional outgrowth to the character tourney, not being the tourney purpose itself. Like I said, there's a debate when it DOES become the main purpose and gets out of control constantly. I'll reiterate, this degree of it is becoming unique to KoV.

>>170866
Having a flash game wouldn't have caused anywhere as much hype if it hadn't been made for Shadow, it was only so praised both because it was Jackson OC and Shadow OC. In reality it's nothing more than a simple dress up game, but since it's attached to the Jackson label it's also backed up by the fact that he had already made so much OC before. I hate namefags.

>>170873
The thing is that it's like 5 minutes dress up game vs quirky game with at least 20 minutes to 1 hour of content so I wasn't really impressed with it. Even Scout's game had original assets. But yeah you're right he made stuff for it prior.

>>170884
Well with Shadow I get it because he has a bunch of stuff coming out and getting announced this year but Blaze is a massive head scratcher outside of furries just suddenly dominating the qualifiers out of nowhere. Her uncermoniously jobbing round 1 to a bottom 10 seed fodder character makes it even more baffling

>>170882
Plenty of people have pointed out how it was the "year of the Shadow."

>earlier before the tourney started, someone get assblasted at me here for wanting /vn/ to participate for visual novel reps like Battler can actually fucking do something instead of fuck all
>come tourney, he did fuck all
>meanwhile half of /sthg/ came into the tourney and singlehandly made Shadow won
Fuck you

>>170874
I played Black Souls because of 2021 and also Recettear.

>>170874
Shadow Generations is a great game so I think you'll have a fun time, It's to 3D Sonic what Mania was to 2D Sonic, and by that I mean wishing it was all brand new stages because of just how good they made everything feel

>>170884
The voting form, alongside the password, was shared to the Sonic /vg/ general every single round. Except Metal Sonic for obvious reason.

>>170874
For me, that would be
>OFF (I knew the game existed, but 2021 gave me the push to play it)
>Black Souls (same as OFF and in the same year. It was my very first tournament and I felt inspired to see those /v/core games)
>FAITH would be in the list had I not known about John prior to 2022
>Deus Ex (I neglected it on Steam for a while, but thanks to 2024 I feel inspired to start it)
>I hear a lot about Snoot Game, so it's in my list
>>170885
>I'll reiterate, this degree of it is becoming unique to KoV.
On that part, I must agree. What do you think is the cause for this? People just like /v/ males more or it's just a craze that happens because it's the last main event of the year?

>>170899
/v/'s particular brand of dumb wild autism and how it relates to male vidya protags i guess.

>>170901
To add to this there was speculation about /co/ and /v/'s opposing kinds of autism regarding genders. With toons it's a lot of waifufagging that gets very personal, but everyone's pretty okay and chill about any male characters. On /v/ the nature of vidya as a medium means there's a lot of self-insert and epic chad hype stuff put into the males, and the females are kind of a backseat focus in general.

I think Geralt's chances of getting a higher seed next year has increased since CDPR is releasing a remake of 1 along with a Ciri game. It could go either way depending on how /v/ will feel about it as they're currently 50/50 on that VGA announcement trailer.

>Playboy overwhelmingky favors seeded brackets
Alright /v/tards, explain how the faggot poll made more sense then the vidya one

>>170912
As if it hasn't already been obvious, King is the outlier on literally everything. Randomized brackets don't solve what people complain about and only gives us filler E8 like Cortex.

>>170915
It's on you if your main loses to FODDERtex.

>>170915
Cortex was funny and was fueled by Crash funposting.

>>170917
That's not my complaint. I'm saying it can give us completely dead parts of bracket like Cortex's.

>>170918
how did Crash last till Round 3?

>>170873
>New jager residence video
I hope we get more video OC from him or other anons next year, they're amazing, and this Sam one is one of my favorites from this year.
Jetstream Sam - King of /v/ 2024

>>170920
Good question, that was his first time making it past round 1, and he's been in every year since 2020. I guess he just had easy matches this year before running into Raiden.

>>170918
Okay, but E8 material? c'mon now.

>>170874
I checked out Hello Charlotte because of Maiden of /v/

>>170926
Even Luigi is more E8 material than Cortex.

>>170924
Sam might be the schizo alliance member and not Shadow, if we want to Shitpost about it.
New Jager Residence made videos for Batter, Schizo Scout, Grimm, and Sam.

>>170841
kek

>>170912
I really want to make this abundantly clear, /co/ is considered on the smarter side of the 4chan spectrum while /v/ is widely considered the most braindead and retarded board. The only offset for /co/ is that they’re insufferable and petty but still an overall smarter board.

>>170953
>/co/ is considered on the smarter side of the 4chan spectrum
Which board is THE smartest and which one is THE dumbest then

>>170953
That would explain a lot, if Playboy didn't have a lot of King voters.

I don't get why people think randomized is better when the benefits we get out of it are once in a blue moon. What's usually more likely is random characters making it way farther than they have any right to or popular characters facing each other way too early. Cortex getting to E8 off a lucky break or getting Travis vs AM as early in Round 3 are examples of those downsides.
Recette and Batter won with seeded brackets. It's not like they guarantee high seeds winning everytime. Different board but Spider-Man won in a seeded bracket, including beating the #1 seed.

>>170957
They love gambling

>>170957
You should ask Liveseyfags and Geraltfags that.

>>170957
Also, seeded brackets give you an incentive to actively try in qualifiers and get rewarded with what is presumable an easier match rather than praying you don't get fucked over by what the hosts shuffle together.
Seeded brackets usually only fuck over low seeds, randomized brackets equally fuck over everyone. Low seeds are low seeds for a reason. It's more exciting if they beat the odds by beating high seeds to the top rather than coasting along because they lucked out on the bracket for that year. Usually it doesn't help them besides giving them an extra round or two before they get fucked by a high seed, and the exceptions are very once in a blue moon.
It feels like the only reason people vouch for randomized brackets are people who have low seed mains wanting to roll the dice on them being the next Batter/Recette with a crazy low seed win or just the general mindset King has where people constantly want something unexpected or an underdog win (ironically, this mindset has led to the popular characters essentially being the underdogs instead).

Reminder, Batter was seeded high at around number 11

Skibidi toilet in Fortnite, guess it's eligible for /v/ now

>>170963
Skibidi Toilet is eligible for /m/ btw

>>170962
My 11th seeded underdog HERO...

>>170957
>>170960
All of these are points which have been brought up and proven right time and time again. Right now it's just a matter of hoping /v/ voters agree on going back to seeded.

>>170966
Nah, that's not gonna happen. /co/ and /trash/ voters just have higher intelligence than /v/, even if their tournaments are better a lot of the time.

>>170967
This will sound petty and equally metafaggy, but this is probably the reason why I'm not saddened by Wario jobbing to Sam. His fag(s) just exhibit a kind of entitled attitude about these tournaments I can't stand, and while I can perfectly separate the real life person from the fictional character can you really say it is not warranted? Besides, he has a better chance of ranking high next year with all the soreness that came as a result.

>>170955
/lit/, /his/ and /sci/
/b/, /pol/ and /pw/

>>170970
>/his/
>smart
As someone who visits that board absolutely not, half of the people there who talk about history are braindead /pol/tards who only know extremely surface level history and regurgitate the same trite questions like "can hitler have win eastern front??" or "why rome fall?" nonstop while most discussions outside of WWII/Rome archive with like 7 posts, and the humanities half is a bunch of reddit atheists making the most lowest common denominator "arguments" possible thinking they just made an epic own when it's the same shit regurgitated by every edgy 14 year old rebelling against mom and dad, while their "Christian" debate opponents are twitter groyper fags who don't even go to church and have no understanding of their own theology so they end up making similarly retarded substanceless arguments
The board used to be comfy but it got hit probably the hardest by reddit tourists leaking out of /pol/ given its subject putting it in close proximity so now it's largely dreck

>character that formerly had no notable presence in tournaments suddenly shows up with a high seed
>sweeps through by being an OC machine
>completely unstoppable, wins finals against runner-up that probably would’ve been the better option
>easily the biggest outlier winner out of the entire lineup
>justified by reasons that date that tournament, "you had to be there", etc.
It turns out King 2024 was the 2021 rerun all along, not 2023.

>>170970
The thing is, the smarter the board the more pompous and insufferable they are.

>>170976
Kleinerfag...

>>170977
Hey, I wouldn't save or post that shitty brap meme, but I do agree with everything said.
>Seeded means strong contenders have incentive to try
This is just cope, they won't do more than they do in Randomized seeding.
>Seeded brackets usually only fuck over low seeds, randomized brackets equally fuck over everyone.
Which is fair, and higher seeds still have a higher chance of winning their first round.
>Low seeds are low seeds for a reason.
Why have 128 characters enter if your argument is "who fucking cares about them"? Less than a tenth of the characters nominated qualify, those that do are going to be popular (or memes), it stupid to say they shouldn't have a chance.
>It's more exciting if they beat the odds by beating high seeds
This also applies to the higher seeds themselves, there is absolutely nothing interesting in top seeds stomping low seeds until they can finally get a match that people say "shouldn't happen round 1".
>Usually it doesn't help them besides giving them an extra round or two before they get fucked by a high seed
Yeah, Randomized doesn't mean the crowns go to low seeds, it just means they get a fair chance at not losing immediately. Every character is interesting and popular in their own ways, and all of them have a chance of getting fun campaigns. I would like to see more of those cool campaigns from low seeders before we get to the usual "high seed showdown" that is the Elite 8.
>It feels like the only reason people vouch for randomized brackets are [...]
Randomized is more interesting, that's it. Two high seeds have to face up immediately? That stings, but that's fun and interesting. Low seeds that get to build up a campaign instead of basically not participating? Cool, fun, they aren't winning but still great. Two campaigns have to face off early on? Sucks to lose one so soon, but that makes for an interesting match.

>>170976
>The only notable characters whose campaign improved their performance are Grimm, John Ward
And AM
>seed 69 in 2021. Round 4
>seed 17 in 2022. 4th place
>seed 3 in 2024. 6th place
And because we are only talking about Ko/v/, in the other tournaments we have more examples

>>170976
>Crazy Dave
I forgot he even qualified tbdesu

How many randomized and seeded tournaments have we had?

>>170991
It is a very much a different medium with a different fanbase. Look at it this way. in /co/ you have "Mr." which is something that actually sounds like a popularity contest, and you vote for a medium with a lot of history that isn't as prevalent as nowadays. Compared to /v/ where it's KING and you vote for video game characters where you usually control and confront against. Add to the fact that it's also a very Japan dominated medium (they kind of helped start it) it's no wonder that it's more crazy than chill.

>The anon who linked a Shadowfag to his own art account because he thought the OC was stolen
Some moments in these tournaments are priceless

>>170995
Someone thought it was stolen because it was old, it was not stolen but reposted as OC which is shitty.

>>170999
I agree that it was shitty. The difference between preparing tournament oc and reusing old art as OC is whether or not it was made for the tournament. The Shadow maid outfit art clearly wasn't.

>>170972
>noooooooooooo I want my heckin board culture to win a trillon years in a row. AIEEEEEEEEEEE
Jesus, you /co/ niggers are retarded, who wants to have their oppinions validated on fucking fourchinks, I want something fun, not something that is a step bellow circlejerking.

>>171004
But anon, tournaments are serious business...

I didn't mind Denton losing but feel like he deserved a better campaign than the crown which was fine this year but didn't pack much punch. I hope he wins if campaigners have more will and presence. I fear he will get the predictable winner backlash tho.

>>171006
>but feel like he deserved a better campaign
This is what people have to say about him every single year

>>171007
It's either idiots who want their duck match with AM or faggots who never pay attention to the threads.

>>171008
>their duck match with AM
lol I hate how true this is. Obviosuly JC didn't lose because of this but the prospect of a match between the two is gonna follow them until it happens or one of them just wins.

>>171014
It isn't duck match with AM specifically. It just that JC would be cool vs any AI. And all AI picks stuck in Queen. Except 1

What will be the cope when Denton loses to someone round 2 in 2026?

>>171004
The whole point of these tournaments is to have cool fitting winners for 4chan. It’s not about “opinion validation”, I don’t need /v/ to reassure me JC Denton is better than Shadow. It’s a celebration of /v/‘s culture and tastes first and campaigning/OC second.

>>171016
This happened to Mado and look where she is now.

>>171016
He will become the laughing stock like Eggkek or the Cirno of king.

>>171018
>Mado jobs
>comes back to win Queen
>Sam skips a year
>comes back to 3rd place
you know maybe skipping a year or two actually improves your chances

>>171019
There must always be an Eggman

>>171018
Also happened to SHODAN technically but only cause of the loser's bracket

>>171019
you now remember that Denton paired with Cirno in 2020

>>171016
What a shame

>>171019
Sorry but King /v/ culture has definitely gone too far if we start treating JC Denton as a jobber laughing stock.

>>170969
That's why we have to kill anybody that cries and complains about characters deserving it
Last thing I'd ever want is proud cocky guys like Wario and Eggman being a "pity" pick

>>170969
In a similar way it's always bugged me whenever someone argues "[character] has to win, this is their only shot!" as if this isn't the case for the other one. We have had one runner up queen and it happened just this year after Queen has been going on for five now. Even then whoever loses in finals is going to have to wait two years for their next shot where anything could happen.

>>171032
People going "it's okay, JC keeps doing better and he'll just win in 2026!" really annoyed me as if a 2 year wait isn't that long or that JC is guaranteed to win once he returns

>>171032
This is just as bad, if not worse than
>>170969

Even if bith are annoying, at least an old favorite has proved their worth before.
A new guy begging to win this one time only is just admitting they're an anomaly.

WHEN WILL THE GALLERY GET UPDATED TO HAVE THE REST OF THE AFTERPARTY OC AND THE FULLY FINISHED MAP

>>171032
>>171033
Your opponent will use any kind of justification and excuse to validate their (flawed) point, they want to win, and using anything available even if it doesn't really work or make sense is yet another strategy. See: One Joke, character is too OOC, character is not vidya, etc.

>>171035
never, the wiki is over

>>171034
There was a lot of that last King too, and they were probably right for both. Schizo fatigue would have set in for Grimm as a runner up and in our timeline, just look at how people view Eggman right now.

>>171037
AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>170874
this year's barred got me interested in playing smt v when its on sale

>>171034
The "this is their only shot" argument is really a reason NOT to vote for a character. You're basically admitting they're a fluke who just got lucky this year. Does someone like that really deserve to win?

We need someone we all hate to win king of /v/ now

>>171036
You're right, this is old and too meta. I've came up wirh a list of /tnt/ approved non-meta reasons to vote against a character. Feel free to add more.
>They aren't white
>They're poor
>They're circumsized
>They put cucumbers on Pizza
>Their asshole is too loose
>They don't kmow how to drive a manual vehicle
>They're left handed
>They take antidepressants
>They're vegan
>They defend the Sopranos ending
>They like the Villenuve Dune movies more than the book
>They think regular Captain Crunch is better than Peanutbutter Captain Crunch
>They have a caffeine addiction
>They advocate for Women's rights because "it's the right thing"
>They called the Wii U an "underrated console"
>They refuse to shoot 45 ACP or 357 magnum because "the recoil"
>They thought "The Big Bang Theory" was a funny show
>They voted for Kamala
>They defend post-movie Spongebob
>They use an Iphone over an Android, Windows, etc
>They don't sleeve their TCG cards
>They don't shake or squeeze after using the urinal, they just leave little piss dribbles in their underwear
>They actually believe Ben Shapiro
>They claim "actually, America is extremely conservative" in online arguments
>They call Justin Bieber "inspiring"
>They watch Schafrillas, Matthew Mattosis, King K, etc, basically any youtuber that talks way too fucking long
>They haven't watched the Joe Rogan Experience
>They donated money to an E-girl
>They engage in twitter screencap and /pol/ threads on /v/
>They say Saturday Night Live "is good now"
>They pay for a patreon
>They drink city water
>They refuse to carry cash, in lieu of credit cards or venmo/cashapp
>They like furry art, but not for the porn, but for "the community"

>>171043
It's so over Mudkip bros, everybody likes us

>>171004
The irony of this statement is how much of a circlejerk the tourney becomes when it's not longer a board favorite decision and becomes a meta thread contest among tourney autists.

>>171004
This statement feels hypocritical

>>171044
>>They're circumsized
NOT MY FUARKING KING

>>171044
>>They put cucumbers on Pizza
Genuinely fucking sinful

>>170976
>Only bracket that used seeding I would even consider is seed 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4 ect
This has seriously gotta be the dumbest idea bandied around. The tournament would be horribly imbalanced, and the vast majority of attention would be on one side that's basically guaranteed to win, the other side would be a coper's winner equivalent who made finals on a neutered bracket.

>>171052
The "1 vs 2, 3 vs 4" idea is much like the "what if we ended quallifers after only one thread?" idea. An awful idea logically speaking but I'd pay a fine dollar or two to see how it'd turn out. Get a /tnt/ side tournament on that idea no restrictions anything from /a/ to /an/ allowed

>>171052
Not to mention that'd piss the hell out of a lot of major fan characters, most of which of coure are in the upper seeds. Like the AM vs. Travis match felt premature at R3, now imagine a few dozen of those kinds of matches in R1 and R2 and the loser's being known as "early round jobbers." Threads would be full of seethe about the format.

>>171059
That "anything goes" tourney is making everything non-furry run away.

Gentlemen, it's time to address the elephant in the room. Coper's bracket, seeded vs random, bitching about the silent majority, bitching about returning E8 members, trying to institute a 64 character return limit, it all has to do with people wanting to continue posting with or about their literally who picks even after they job r1. After discussing this with a team of certified tournament experts and examining the threads I have determined a possible solution. Just keep posting with them.

>>171066
>trying to institute a 64 character return limit
That is still such a fucking stupid rule and I'm glad that guy got laughed out of the threads

>>171061
>anything goes
>...as long as it's furry and on model

>>171061
Playgir/boy should already have functioned as the furry outlet so it can just be random funpost nonsense like it was meant to be hopefully.

>>171067
I think it's a fine idea

>>171075
>Torres made it in 2023
>Grox and Baldi made it in 2024
What niche /tnt/ pick will make it next?

>>171075
>>171105
i completely missed this years ko/v/ until the finals how did grox lose

>>171017
Nah. That is boring, I much prefer stupid fun rather than basic bitch tournament, there are thousands of basic bitch ones, but almost none like /v/ ones.

>>171019
I think you are making it seem like every person who has lost in the elite 8 is a jobber, cirno is a "jobber" because she constantly loses before the elite 8, and her most recent lost was by fucking 9 VOTES. Eggman constantly jobs, and his chances of winning are low after Shadow won

I don't know about you guys but I'm sick of seeing Sonic in the tournament. I'm unironically not interested in seeing Eggman's victory or any other characters for that matter. I'd rather we get a new series winner.

>>171118
The only sanic character that even remotely mattered was eggman, until Shadow somehow pulled a darkhorse with Jackson.

>>171118
Mariobro btw

>>171120
I hate Mario too

>>171119
Shadow was also carried by Sam's campaign, ngl.

who cares where's Spongebob?

Denton had a shit campaign and is truly a jobber pick and boring /v/ choice.

>>171126
This but unironically. It should've been Phoenix.

>two days later and people are already regretting Shadow
Gohan Black-sama...

JC is just filler elite 8 who had little thread presence and no funposts. Idk how he makes it past round 3 every time.

>>171132
Because muh /v/ classic pick. Boring character and game is outdated shit just like AM's.

>>171130
I would've regret any of the other top 32 winning, and you would too.

>>171132
Because the original Deus Ex is still a good fucking game that's why.

>>171136
The game is shit and the mechanics and gameplay aged so hard. The story was total trite from conspiritards with shit voice acting. MGS2 is the better conspiracy theory game with better characters and story.

>>171137
No the mechanic and gameplay is still fine. It aged better than even SS2 I would say. MGS is better story yeah sure I'm not gonna argue about that but they don't play similarly besides being centered around stealth.

>>171138
The stealth and levels were garbage and most of the skills are useless rpgslop. Amerislop devs can't capture the soul and excitement of what makes a game great unlike Eastern ones.

>>171139
What's wrong with the levels exactly?

I'm voting against all /v/ core picks and classics.

>>171132
>little thread presence and no funposts
is what I'd say if I was retarded.

>two days later and people are still raping Gohan Black
Shadow-sama...

>>171139
It feels like you're just creating a wordsoup to fuck with that anon, nothing in your post actually makes any sense and doesn't sound like a critique anyone who played the games would make.

>>171144
What I think anon is trying to say is that Invisible War is better.

Honestly my personal peeve is that Shadow's campaign and OC almost entirely leaned into overexaggerating his edginess and how he was depicted in the 2000s/2010s internet, and then the second he won it suddenly became completely genuine, female (or incredibly gay) anons unironically wanting to fuck him and Shadowfags trying to convince people that Shadow the Hedgehog is actually a good game.

>>171159
> Campaign is one person
Don't delude yourself, there are always multiple opinions. You're merely rationalizing your own bias by cherry picking posts.

>>171165
Obviously there were multiple anons but the biggest contributors (Jackson and Hexfag) as well as the general appeal of Shadow's campaign relied on the edge factor and the exaggerated depiction of the character

I think Eggman would have been a better winner, but I also wasn’t going to vote out a pick from a franchise I like just so that a better pick might still have a chance at winning, a win for a Sonic character is a win for the IP, and Shadow’s still a decent character so I’m pretty content with his victory.

>>171172
>but I also wasn’t going to vote out a pick from a franchise I like just so that a better pick might still have a chance at winning
> a win for a Sonic character is a win for the IP
I don't really understand this mentality of voting for IP/franchise in mind instead of the characters first and foremost. The reason I like certain series or titles is for what they represent in their contents, not by themselves. There are series with characters that despite not being bad I would never enjoy see win a tournament over the actual "winner material" much as I might like the thing to come from

Dentonfags are the most entitled sore losers. You fags had the entire tournament to present yourselves and yet you didn't do jack shit except draw shitty doodles in finals.

>>171175
This is why Frost was a better finalist. He presented himself almost the entire tournament in those porn links someone posted.

JC, Cortex, qnd Luigi are the biggest elite 8 slot wasters and should never made it past round 2.

>>170957
Randomized makes tourneys more fun and unpredictable. People might not be awfully happy with Cortex or Peppino making E8, but it's at the very least an interesting tidbit of tourney history. It's something that can be put on their wiki pages and be remembered as an odd occurence, making it so that more characters have some exciting history behind them instead of a bunch of forever R1 jobbers and forever E8 mainstays. It's overall more unique and memorable than yet another E8 run by Phoenix or Wario. And it's not like no powerhouses made E8 this year. With seeded it would've probably been a complete repeat of 2022 or 2020's Elite.
>In 2024 *this character* made an unexpected breakout E8 run due to *these reasons*
is more interesting in hindsight than
>in 2024 *insert heavy hitter* made another E8 run... again... they didn't win... again... they will be eligible in two years... again...
>>170960
>Also, seeded brackets give you an incentive to actively try in qualifiers and get rewarded with what is presumable an easier match
This literally never actually happens. Mr. /co/ was seeded, how many of the top 10 seeds have any active campaigning going on in qualifiers?

>>171175
Shadowfags had YEARS before they show up

>>171177
>Inane phonecuck babble

>>171182
>Randomized makes tourneys more fun and unpredictable
This is the problem. You just want shit for the sake of being unexpected.
>People might not be awfully happy with Cortex or Peppino making E8, but it's at the very least an interesting tidbit of tourney history.
And Doomguy making a return showing people why he used to be a finalist wouldn't have been? Or HUNK and Isaac (I bring these two up because they were the common E8 predictions from that bracket), who both have their own unique history to go off that isn't just "well, they made it here because they were lucky even though nobody paid much attention to them".
>It's overall more unique and memorable than yet another E8 run by Phoenix or Wario. And it's not like no powerhouses made E8 this year. With seeded it would've probably been a complete repeat of 2022 or 2020's Elite.
And this is the mentality that's ruining King /v/. Wario had fantastic OC output but you just see it as "another powerhouse run". 2022 wasn't even a seeded run so it completely erases your point. You think that popular characters being rewarded for being popular is a bad thing somehow.
But let's look at Mr. /co/ 2024 which was seeded. Which 2022 Elites made a return? Courage, who had an active OC push and is always beloved, and Squidward who only barely made it by the skin of his teeth anyways. Meanwhile Daffy, a semifinalist and the first seed, lost to Spider-Man who was in the 40s.
>>In 2024 *this character* made an unexpected breakout E8 run due to *these reasons*
Cortex's reason isn't interesting. It's just because his bracket was easy and because his opponent coasted off of vore jokes.
>in 2024 *insert heavy hitter* made another E8 run... again... they didn't win... again... they will be eligible in two years... again...
Again, heavy hitters can and HAVE had many interesting runs. Also, yet another example of the mentality that makes people hate King /v/'s voters.
>This literally never actually happens. Mr. /co/ was seeded, how many of the top 10 seeds have any active campaigning going on in qualifiers?
Joker and Batman. But it's not just about top seeds. Being a mid seed is still better than being a low seed, and campaigning enough can easily edge you up there.

>>171182
Man you don't have to put down Phoenix or Wario just to like some fun unexpected picks
Are you just pretending that insane Hexfag Wario cartoon never happened? Or all of the Phoenix court cases?

>>171185
>Doomguy
>HUNK and Isaac
They would've been fine too. Pepppino and Cortex is just the way it happened to pan out this year.
>You think that popular characters being rewarded for being popular is a bad thing somehow.
Or maybe I just don't think that everyone being treated fairly is a bad thing. When you complain about your picks being fucked over, in randomized that's up to chance. In seeded, this is going to happen to low seeds 99% of the time.
>Meanwhile Daffy, a semifinalist and the first seed, lost to Spider-Man who was in the 40s.
I thought seeded magically encouraged people to go into overdrive campaigning for high seeds instead of resting on their laurels?
>Cortex's reason isn't interesting. It's just because his bracket was easy and because his opponent coasted off of vore jokes.
That's still something weird and fresh people can come back to and laugh about years later.
>Joker and Batman.
You know full well it wasn't because of seeded.
>Being a mid seed is still better than being a low seed
I thought the narrative was that seeded is evil because it fucks over mid seeds the most? Isn't this what everyone here was saying a couple of months ago? But now apparently it's evil because it helps mid seeds?
>>171186
Nothing against them personally, just examples. If you look at the wiki, a lot of the E8 mainstays articles are exactly what I described.

>>171187
One of the arguments is that RANDOMIZED fucks over middle seeds, not seeded. Try to keep up.

>>171187
As a wiki editor I'm not sure if you should be voting based off what I may or may not write based off the results, though ultimately you are free to do whatever
I will say though a lot of those pages still have a lot to be added to them, like I didn't write the Wario one but there's definitely a lot more happenings around him than what is written ie the Team Merchant arc, the Fat Bastard alliance, etc, if a character doesn't have a lot written it doesn't necessarily mean not a lot happened it could also mean the editor didn't have time or motivation to write a full recap of the happenings

>>171182
Part of the point behind the special distinction the Elite Eight and its rounds carry is how there's a certain prestige to making it so far. If you game the brackets so it's a free ticket for certain random characters that prestige starts to become lost.

>>171188
That's what I meant, just mistyped. Randomized gives every seed a coin toss of a chance to succeed or fail. The crux of the argument is always that top or mid seeds should be entitled to automatically win Round 1 and only low seeds should only ever be put in shitty positions. This is obviously and plainly unfair, but I guesz the people arguing this see low seeds as wastes of slots anyway and wouldn't mind brackets of 64.

>>171192
How much prestige is there really when every side tournament with 50 voters gets its own dedicated Elite 8 screen? And when these tournaments have been going for so long, people will naturally want more diverse E8 rosters.

>>171194
>every side tournament with 50 voters
Irrelevant, and barely anyone at all puts those next to proper E8 characters from the main tournaments.

>>171195
You say that now, but these side things are what people will be discussing and getting invested in during the off-season.

>>171193
Dude, they're unpopular picks in the popularity contest. They're inherently made to lose. Did you cry when Jake Paul beat Mike Tyson, because 58 year old men are an ingerently poor choice for an endurance sport? Because that's what you sound like when you beg for random brackets to give unpopular picks "a chance". Do you ask for "random chances" for when the literal thousand + nominations each tourney gets fail?
So what a popular pick or two get a free ride, they're the most popular they're doing their job.

>>171196
The side /tnt/ tourneys are a completely different conversation from the meta surrounding the main board tournaments. The fact you think they are comparable at all says more about you and the type of people who vastly prefer randomized than you might think.

>>171198
Sounds like the type of user that makes sure Geralt gets multiple elite 8s in a row, and then does absolutely nothing in him when he reaches king /v/ jobbing against another "fair" bottom seed

>>171194
Those aren't even considered prestigious, just side fun and consolations. Even the kind of /tnt/ crowd that gets invested in those would probably tell you they'd much rather their pick wins the main thing than one of those.

>>171197
>low seeds aren't supposed to do well, know your place shitter, you're here to hype up my picks and job R1, everyone should bend over to MY interests
Proving my point. But unfortunately for you, these are brackets of 128, with real people backing low seeds that aren't going to be sympathetic to such an entitled mindset. Don't like it? Unironically start vouching for brackets of 64 so we can get rid of these worthless low seeds to begin with.

>>171187
>When you complain about your picks being fucked over, in randomized that's up to chance. In seeded, this is going to happen to low seeds 99% of the time.
You can influence what seed your main ends up in if you campaign hard enough, thus influencing bracket.
Randomized gives you no control. You could wait an entire year for the odds to be stacked against your main and there's nothing you can do about it. We don't need to give this special treatment to low seeds which usually don't do shit either way.
>I thought seeded magically encouraged people to go into overdrive campaigning for high seeds instead of resting on their laurels?
It encourages EVERYONE to campaign to get a better seed. Daffy also had campaigning even as he lost to Spidey, so the point is invalid.
>You know full well it wasn't because of seeded.
Batman wasn't even in the movie and seeded higher than Joker. Gordon, who literally started the rape meme and had a resurgence from the movie only got top 20 seed. There obviously was more to play than just FOTM.
>>171193
>Randomized gives every seed a coin toss of a chance to succeed or fail.
Coin tosses are shit for a yearly tournament. High seed mains who earned their popularity and position shouldn't be fucked over in matches like Travis vs AM being Round 3.
>The crux of the argument is always that top or mid seeds should be entitled to automatically win Round 1 and only low seeds should only ever be put in shitty positions.
This isn't even always true. Recette's run was insane in the first place BECAUSE she won from such a disadvantageous position and was able to push that momentum to win. That's way more interesting than her beating random jobbers to sneak into E8.
>This is obviously and plainly unfair
It's tough shit, but just get a better seed if you want a better match. What valuable low seeds are there where we just HAVE to bend the rules and make it fair for them?

Every year we have this same kind of argument and rule fagging year round. It just fundamentally goes back to people seeing the purpose of tourneys differently. To some it's more a character contest, or a popularity/favoritism contest for the board. To others it's a thread and campaigner thing and variety and story is more important than pure character reception. This shit will never be resolved.