/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

>>125560
Will chelfags ever actually make OC that isn’t shoving things up their asses?

>>125560
more like TRACE Edition

I'll probably repost what I've said in the previous change but now with a few suggested changes.

Honestly, If I were to measure properly how "strong" a contestant was, I would place these 5 criteria to judge on how actually strong the contestants are

>Seeding
>Performance
>Onboard relevance
>Recurrence
>Thread fanfare
Or S.P.O.R.T. for short.

Seeding is easy to understand, its how much votes the contestant gets during the qualifier rounds which is a good telling on who might be a strong and fan-supported contestant. It will not be correct 100% of time as there are definite outliers but most of the time the top 10 seeds always perform well.

Performance is basically how well they perform during the tournament rounds and against other contestants. This varies greatly from contestant to contestant depending on the bracket luck. A character who makes a deep run but had a piss-easy bracket isn't comparable to a character who also made a deep run but had to contend with powerhouses and heavy campaigns. This also ties with Recurrence as it shows how consistently that said character performs.

Onboard relevance is the reason why these tourneys are held in 4chan board in the first place. It can also refer to overall relevance as a character and how familiar people are with said character. The character can have a low-seeding but be extremely familiar with the general fanbase which makes some low-seeders have more impact on their performance.

Recurrence is something that many of you might be wondering why it matters. In my opinion, it matters as it can properly judge weather or not certain characters runs and performances were legitimate and mark them as powerhouses or just simply a fluke that can be hardly repeated. It can also refer to how frequently character qualify for these tournaments and basically ties to every single other criteria in here. Recurrence in my opinion is among the most important part of S.P.O.R.T. as it essentially tells us how consistent a contestant is within these tournaments.

And lastly and not the least, Thread Fanfare.
This includes how much activity, OC and campaign a contestant manages to accumulate during the tournaments and within the threads. It is among the weaker ones but also one of the most notable ones as it can legitimately help a contestant break a tie or push an already powerful contestant further than it could logically.

>How I'd rate weather or not a character is strong?
This is entirely subjective and I am doing it for shits and giggles but it is somewhat fun considering we have quite a way until the main tournaments start but the way I'd rate on weather or not a character is legitimately strong is by points.
>Seeding
I'd give a top-seeder 10 points and lowest seeds 1 point. Simple.
>Performance
Quite a bit more complicated but simpler at the same time. Winners simply get 10 points as they've won a tourney, but others we need to see on weather or not they've been consistently strong and defeated other contestants without breaking a sweat. For example, I'd give Chel 10 points because she holds the highest landslide win to date and she's one of the few characters to make E8 thrice. Meantime I'd give Banjo 1 point because he's consistently shown to be an utter jobber.
>Onboard relevance
Really goes on which characters get the most attention on their respective boards and how well known they are. Eggman is a definitive 10 as he's one of the most iconic villains in media on both /co/ and /v/ without a question of a doubt. I'd give 1 point to probably Rebecca as she's not /v/ relevant and nobody wanted her to ever participate in these tourneys.
>Recurrence
Basically just estimates how often you qualify and how consistently you perform. Pacifica would be a perfect 10 because despite being a midcarder she is one of the most consistent characters with performance in the entire tournaments. Someone with 1 point would be Black Canary who made it to the elite eight and failed to qualify ever since.
Note: characters who win in their first year get a 0. They have absolutely no recurrence to speak of.
>Thread fanfare
I don't even need to elaborate on this one. Characters like Fang or Batter who have record high OC get a 10 while countless other characters who are forgotten get a 1.

>>125564

>>125565
>This is entirely subjective and I am doing it for shits and giggles

>>125564
>gay and completely meaningless
That would be tourneys in general too. It's just for fun/autism.

>>125565
This doesn't change anything about how jank "recurrence" is.

>>125572
Are you Hexfag?

>>125570
I might believe that recurrence might mean consistency by what the anon describes. The word would've been preferred but then it would be called S.P.O.C.T.

>>125574
i like spoct

>>125574
Yeah but consistency in what? Simply getting the same round/qualifying every year? Cause I don't think Pacifica deserves a 10 for being R3 every year lol.

>>125560
I like the judge holden op image more...

>>125580
This.

>>125580
Who?

>>125583
Who?

What's the future of the SCK Coalition(FARTS's even numbered year rivals, consisting of Starfire, Chel, and Kim Possible)

I'm gonna be honest the more you guys treat these tournaments as serious business the worse it gets.

>>125587
I’ve been saying this for a while but people just get pissy

>>125587
I'm just here to draw/write for fun.

>>125589
That’s fine, it only gets bad when you try to “objectively” rank characters and get upset when people disagree over it

>>125590
There are only two ranks: characters and shit characters

>>125593
What constitutes as a shit character? Metapicks who do nothing like Mr. Incredible?

>>125594
It’s code for “I don’t like them”

>>125594
Mr. Incredible is just a popular character, no.
Shit characters are ones that aren't nominated/campaigned in good faith, ones that actually are bad characters or literal shit characters (like The Great Mighty Poo).

>>125597
>nominated/campaigned for in good faith
Elaborate

>>125598
Like the Icon of Sin or King Boo, who are nominated and campaigned as complete out-of-character jokes, not caring about the characters and only to have them lose (all characters should enter to try and win).
An example from the side team tournaments would be nominating a character with a shit joke because you don't like them, like the Cuckold teams.

>>125599
battlerfag

>>125600
Battler is nominated like a joke, but not to the levels of those two and people do want him to win, so I wouldn't call him a shit character. I'm still not voting for him ever, though.

Shit characters can easily be described as meme characters. This includes characters boosted by some tourney meta shit far beyond what'd they actually be worth to most as a character in themselves.

>>125602
No, meme characters aren't all shit and neither are all shit characters memes; this is a not a good way to describe them.

>>125605
>meme characters aren't all shit
They are though.

>>125606
No, they aren't. If a shit character is also a meme, them being a meme isn't what makes them shit.

>>125607
That's not the part of your statement I'm contesting.

>>125608
I don't want her to win, but having a character get to Round 1 off nothing, but pure campaign energy would be cool to see.

>>125586
Given they have a bland acronym that won't raise spite probably better...and they kinda sorta have a Winner-In-Exile among them

>>125608
There are actual popular characters with a ton of campaigning that do shit. See all zoomer toons.

Spitevoting against every character with inflated S.P.O.R.T. scores.

>>125609
Explain what are "meme characters" to you, then.

>>125611
Being Zoomer Toon IS kind of a factor though given how much spite it generates

>>125612
>can’t vote against the character with the highest score
Wat do

All i know is 2019 Spinel is the strongest winner ever.

>>125623
Just to expand on the seeding, he would be at a 9 if not for 2020. I gave him a 9 for 2022 (#12) and a 10 for 2023 (#6), but 2020 had him at a very low #119. Had to give him a 1 for that year, but he got lucky with the average still rounding up to 7.

why are king /v/'s winners so fucking BORING. all the other tournaments have cool winners like robots, skeletons, dinosaurs, imps, so why is king /v/, the tourney hailed as the most kino, only have limp dick bitch HUMANS as their winners? i would really like to see how a kingfag defends this shit

>>125623
And who knows if his performance in the main tournaments will either evolve or remain stuck. He's screwed enough for side tournaments thanks to Waluigi.

>>125625
Armstrong and Dante are based.

>>125625
Armstrong and Dante are cool. I agree with the rest though they're boring as fuck.

>>125623
>>125624
You know what? I'll do the other guys in the Mario crew as well.

I will say I could have given Mario a 9 due to how big the SM64 threads got a couple years ago, but I'll still try to keep it consistent. Just take the extra point off for him being mainstream compared to some other picks.

>Luigi
Seeding: 8
Performance: 8
Relevance: 7
Recurrence: 7
Thread fanfare: 4

Luigi is a solid if silent competitor. His biggest flaw is thread fanfare, with him not having as much breakout compared to some other picks associated with him. Still, the numbers don't lie: he's quite consistent and his Elite Eight run in 2022 definitely was the peak for that. On one hand, he has more room to go down compared to Mario. On the other, he's currently more than just a growing candidate.

>Wario
Seeding: 10
Performance: 7
Relevance: 9
Recurrence: 9
Thread fanfare: 9

Yeah, I don't think there's much to debate on him doing well here. I actually decided to somewhat cross-reference with Skeletor's example here since the two have some similarities with one another. Should be obvious why performance and recurrence aren't even higher, unlucky as that was last year. Most debatable here might be thread presence, but we're really just arguing between an 8 or 9 here.

>Waluigi
Seeding: 4
Performance: 2
Relevance: 6
Recurrence: 4
Thread presence: 4

First off, thank you to the person who updated the wiki recently for this guy. Unfortunately for Waluigi, he is definitely the roughest of this batch. The best points going for him is that he's hilariously consistent as a R1 jobber and that he can't rate TOO low with board relevance. Still ranked him lower than the rest since he hasn't had as many standouts on the board as Mario or Wario, and also doesn't appear in the generally acclaimed Mario platformers like his main rival. Could debate a 7, but probably not higher than that. Fittingly enough, he seems to work best as a partner more than a solo candidate as seen these past couple months.

>Bowser
Seeding: 7
Performance: 3
Relevance: 7
Recurrence: 5
Thread fanfare: 3

Did you know that Bowser made it to Round 4 in 2019 and lost to Heavy? This seems impressive, but then you see he lost to a fucking Regi (and not even the main one) the following year. This spread makes it clear where Bowser stands right now: he's a consistent qualifier, but a very poor performer past that initial year. His other best claim is never having a seed below the 60s, but it's still fluctuated a lot between decently above average to just being plain in the middle of the list. I do think his seeding, notoriety, and generally well-received portrayals could give him a door if it was opened, but thus far he's just kind of there.

>>125626
His pairing against Jacket last year means he has a solid floor for next year at least. Now he could still fumble it if he gets a huge seed drop or loses immediately. Could go even worse if he didn't qualify, but I'd say the odds of that this year are very low. Still, you are right here. Mario is one to eyeball, but that hardly means he's a guarantee to reach his full potential this year.

>>125625
Not only are they boring, but I can't call most them bar Dante and maybe Grimm "good winners". By "good winner" I mean the characters themselves aren't "good as a winner", unlike all the Queens except Recette.

>>125630
I always blame that goddam gif people nominated Luigi with back in 2022

>>125617
It's over...

Dante is the actual most dimes winner ever.
>was the winner of the highest voter turnout in any tourney
>#1 seed
>more board mentions than any other winner by far (314k, 2nd is Samus with 274k and no one is even close to them)
>no easy bracket, won against a bunch of actual powerhouses
>no meta shit or funny business, was just a clean powerhouse against powerhouses
>has all the universality and retrospective agreement of a 1st year winner

>>125634
It still would be fun to analyze who would win between the four amalgamations thus far. All four have some high points, but the nature of these strengths also seems different for all four. The most fun one seems like Queen's since she would presumably be a glass cannon just throwing projectiles around everywhere.

>>125625
You're gay, as in homosexual.

>>125634
>can't beat up Tom

I really want to see Doomguy's spread. He has had a strong history, but has been hitting further lows over the years.

Should we find a way to weigh match losses as well? I would say losing to a high seed or top ranker that year is less jarring than a low seed upset, for example. Bring this up here because in Doomguy's case he had the tough Garland match very soon into 2022. As of now it would appear he's turning into a midcarder, but last year was far worse by all accounts.

>>125630
Now do the hated characters.

>>125640
anything I do to him he's already experienced, also he has cartoon powers

>>125645
I'm kneeling so fucking hard to this. Batter/Garland/Grimmbro btw

>>125634
Mrs. The Monarch doesn't fight that often in the show but at the same time she would 100% kick your ass, I remember in the later seasons she's trained enough to outmanoeuvre a bunch of assassins so you probably wouldn't be able to get any hits in either
>>125640
Tom has Toon Force so you can never truly defeat him, same goes for Betty. Realistically the only character here you could actually beat in a fight is Recette since she's literally just a little girl with no powers or weapons, she isn't even the one who fights in the dungeon crawling parts of her game she just follows the actual fighters around and collects their loot.
Realistically this list should be "how long could i last before being defeated", I have to imagine the buff-but-regular humans like Johnny and Kronk would take the longest to beat you whereas Fang would kill you within a few seconds since she just fucking eats you.

>>125634
I'm pretty sure I can take on Zorak

>>125648
In a fight right?

>KWABcette

>>125648
>>125653
Zorak's a big bug with an exoskeleton so he's at least super durable. If you take away the toon force stuff he's probably beatable though, at least with weapons.

>>125652
This has got to be powerscaling, right? There's no way anybody would have this weird of taste in the winners.

>/tnt/ getting mad cause an anons' taste doesnt conform with theirs

>>125642
Seeding: 10
Performance: 2
Relevance: 9
Recurrence: 1
Thread fanfare: 6

Do I even need to name them?

>>125660
Of course you don't see anything wrong with this schizo alliancefag.

>>125663
Can you even have someone who's an action guy AND a schizo? Even Garland was only in the latter because he was prematurely put in that montage during 2021.

>>125657
/tnt/ers really need to learn when to just accept someone disagrees with them about this highly subjective nonsense. Seriously, some characters have worship that’s borderline religious and any sort of talk that isn’t about how they’re the best thing ever causes seethe.

They’re tournaments on fucking 4chan. You gotta lighten up a little.

>>125656
It's actually a fuckablity list.

>>125637
Dante is the most Mr /co/ King /v/ winner, he's a classic character all of /v/ likes from a series heavily liked by /v/

>>125652
due to the lack of Skeletor I have no idea if this is a powerscaling list or not, if it was then Skeletor would be at the top next to Garland

>>125669
I can understand why a lot of people here don't follow it much as I find Skeletor to be one of the consistent good parts of it, but other Masters of the Universe media elaborates a lot on his sheer amount of power. He's certainly not just style over substance.

How do you guys even go about rating Relevance, Recurrence and Fanfare? Seems way too arbitrary and subjective to me.

>>125670
I'd at least be fair and give her higher than a 4, considering that her game did have its time on /v/ and marked a whole era of more niche Japanese games. I'd go either a 6 or 7, but not higher than that. Maybe a 6 since that heyday was a while back.

>>125672
>Relevance
How notable and iconic they are on the board, how much they're part of the "board culture."
>Recurrence
anon had a big explanation above.
>Fanfare
Probably the least nebulous thing to factor. Just how often they're vocally supported and get OC in the tournaments.

this scoring thing is pretty funny since if you include the /mlp/ winners then they'd get 10 in all categories

>>125675
Do they? Even the male winners?

>>125672
I do think the recurrence system is a little iffy, but factoring it is still important. We also got a system to follow now as detailed above. Fanfare should at least be obvious in a general sense. Did people seem enthusiastic about voting for them, did they get any OC, and did they get mentioned enough in threads? The only one here that could get more subjective is board relevance, yet you could still at least call out if the score given is too far off the mark. If I gave Dante a 5 for example, I'd rightfully be called out for it.

>>125675
And they would deserve it, especially apple jack and rainbow dash

>>125674
I understand what they stand for, but there's very little objective metric for the most part.

>>125666
holy based satan

>>125676
no not the male winners since that tournament is practically an anything goes tournament for men

>>125679
>there's very little objective metric for the most part.
Yeah but that's the fun of it is trying to take a bunch of factors then do your own consideration of each to make an analysis of a character to see what their strong points are tourney-wise, if you want a more objective way to rank characters by how well they do in tournaments you could use this >>125547

>>125668
You're part of the problem.

>>125688
Leave them be. We still got plenty of great big guys on the run. I just hope either Phoenix Wright or Denton take the victory this time.

>>125689
Reminder JC Denton could have won 2022 if it weren't for Jack Off

>>125688
So what's the solution then

>>125691
Raping Schizos

>>125691
get a merchant to win

>>125690
I love Jack Off now.

>>125691
Have a cool winner that is not another samey white guy.

>>125694
Of course you do, Shirleybro

>>125695
Impossible. Only cool characters that ever existed are samey white guys.

all main tournaments from mr /co/ 2021 to king /v/ 2023 are considered non canon since NSA hosted them and rigged her mains

>he thinks Ms. /co/ 2019 was canon

>>125697
>>125698
>>125699
>But then Tien lost and Krillin won

>>125690
wasn't he pretty silent outside of the Frogbro support that year? it should've been Phoenix Wright anyway

>>125701
He wasn't silent, his campaign was just B O R I N G.
I swear people need to stop accusing characters of having little support when what they actually want to say is that the support wasn't effective.

>>125702
What do you mean he's boring, he had a great campaign! Remember when he uhh, when he did uh... He's a good character bro trust me.

>voting for characters in a character tournament is le BAD

>>125706
This, so much this. I only vote characters for their YTPs.

>>125706
I'm trans btw

>>125663
AM is a robot, ergo, not boring, you dumb nigger.

>>125701
Ironic you say that when half of the courtroom posting that year was made by Phoenix's opponents not Phoenixfags.

>>125714
AM is not vidya, ergo, boring, you double nigger.

>>125717
>videogames is the only medium he can find enjoyment in

What killed the AM craze?

>>125714
Voting for AM now.

>>125671
I've only watched the original MOTU cartoon, but I ran into a Skeletor cosplayer at a convention earlier this month and he gave me advice on how to have sex with vampires, so I can totally believe his power levels are off the charts.

>>125717
Not voting for AM now.

I'm only voting for AM and his past opponents so he can get a rematch with each of them.

>>125714
AM barely has any outer humanoid elements to his appearance and to 90% of people he is literally just the pillar. As far as champion trends go he is one of the most unorthodox picks that could win King.

>>125728
what about the L shaped Tetris brick?

What was Grimm’s seeding?

>>125732
His sperm went inside Yugi

>>125731
Not a character or something that can qualify in Ko/v/.

>>125732
11th

>>125735
What about the S.P.O.R.T.S?

I dont care about these characters where's battler!?

>>125737
Seeding: 9
Performance: 10
Relevance: 10
Recurrence: 9
Thread fanfare: 10

His score is insane and really highlights why he won. His performance ended up at a 10 just from adding points to his previous Round 2 results, and the performance score raised his recurrence in return. He seeded well all three years, and made the same round twice before his breakout run.

What's the S.P.O.R.T.S for the meta characters?

>>125702
I genuinely don't remember Denton doing anything except taking out Travis Touchdown

>>125742
>meta characters
Like who exactly?

>>125744
Jimmy neutron for example.

>>125565
Thread fanfare is either a poor term or should be measured differently. It makes me think of how well-received a character was by the threads. Meaning Fang shouldn't get a 10 even with all the OC with the controversy surrounding her. Same for Spinel.

>>125746
I don’t think Fang should be a 10 even considering thread hype (more a 7 or 8), but I do get what you mean. It’s two different metrics here even if they will regularly overlap.

>>125568
Sorry cuck boy, these tournaments are only for the most iconic and popular characters, otherwise we get shitty campooner winners like Recette. Three-digit seeds shouldn't even have rights.

no wonder Erika can't win after beating Eggman

>>125736
>that could win King

>>125728
the universe in CoD Zombies is a sentient being

>>125756
CoDZombiesUniverseGODs... it's our year.

>>125756
my new main

Bread from I am bread consistently does better than most well liked characters why is that?

>>125756
>Is literally the entire universe, therefore has more character than anything because it's everything
>actually debuted in a video game, unlike AM who had a game adapted thirty years after the fact
AM? Shit and finished. COD Zombies universe? My HERO.

>>125759
Bread is delicious, only contrarians on keto meme diets and pussies who can't handle gluten would hate bread

I'm going to ALEX

>>125759
People notice they can vote for a literal slice of bread and go "haha funny". It isn't any deeper than that.

>>125765
Bullshit if that was the case we'd have more meme characters in tournaments

>>125766
The second best performing Pokémon rep in King last year was "the fat fuck who talks about technology"

>>125763
the story for Zombies is fucking stupid and wacky since it involves magic, Gods, alternate universes, real world places being pocket dimensions, higher dimensional beings, and the Earth and Moon being blown up

>>125754
I’m going to do both real quick.

>Eggman
Seeding: 9
Performance: 10
Relevance: 9
Recurrence: 9
Thread fanfare: 10

A 10 in performance is debatable since he hasn’t won, but on top of his opponents all being champions he would get it from the proposed scoring system. He also matched his first runner-up run, meaning he can’t quite lose a point from it.

>Amaterasu
Seeding: 6
Performance: 9
Relevance: 9
Recurrence: 7
Thread fanfare: 10

The seeding is the worst. Obvious culprit is her surprisingly closer call last year, but even without that it would only be an 8. The seed drop also balanced out the performance boost to her recurrence. Still, her performance is about as high as you can get without being a winner or Eggman.

Ammy does falter in a couple categories, but both also make sense. Each could also be cleaned up no problem in 2025.

>>125748
Fangbro btw

It’s becoming clear the biggest adjustment to this point system would be some weight for winners or general top picks. Maybe give a point of leeway for losing to a semi-finalist that year, or even two for losing to the winner.

>>125769
Fuck AM, let's vote for Call of Duty instead, this shit sounds funnier.

>>125745
Seeding: 6
Performance: 2
Relevance: 6
Recurrence: N/A (only appeared in last year apparently)
Fanfare: 3 (cause i guess there's at least two people making the 500gb posts)
Jimmy kind of sucks, as I'd suspect mainly meta character to.

Wario dies eating Taco Bell after super gluing his ass shut the day prior.mp3

>>125638
I'm pretty sure King /v/ would win. Most overall power assuming amalgamations are just cumulative of the winners.

>>125741
>>125770
the performance explanations for Grimm and Eggman highlight how flawed the system of simply adding points through winning rounds in subsequent years is

also Amaterasu's fanfare should be bumped down a bit because of you know what, since regardless of perception, it still happened and derailed the threads

>>125638
I'm looking forward to the /an/algamation

>>125780
People called it out as a falseflag and hindsight would reflect it as a boost now regardless. I think it counteracts.