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One more thread for this tourney before it's over.
No.61909
Anonymous
Prediction bros, status?
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>>61909
The lowest voter turn out to date
No.61912
Anonymous
>>61909
Eris feels like she's stomping this one tbh.
No.61913
Anonymous
>>61909
correct
>CHAOS
>COMEBACK KID
>Johanna and Hilda are SHIT and FINISHED
>DTVA and MD performance
>anti-campaign debate increasing
>Tourney is not bad but can't be called great (for meta reasons)
incorrect:
>Lois Lane paper tiger R1 loser
>FATS (where did they go?)
>Toph is forever dinocucked
>Wuya being on nobodies radar ever
>Loona will do good
Replies:>>61954
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Didn't get to reply last thread, but I wanna clear up some slander.
>>61304
>You see ever since Betty Boop won, many Johannafags throw a fit over it and even going as far as saying that her victory got stolen by a "literal who"
Which tourney threads have you been in? Because I sure as hell never said this and neither have most people aside from maybe a stray funposter. In fact, what "many Johannafags" are you even talking about? You're really going to try and pull bullshit of this caliber by saying Johanna's general perception in tourney threads is anything but overwhelmingly negative? There are some genuine Johanna supporters in the main tourney threads, but during off-season discussions for the last two years me and like 2 other people have been the only anons who talked about her as anything other than "an evil boring spitevoter literal who pick".

I don't mean to chimp out, but the sheer gall people like you have to just blatantly make shit like this up and pretend to be the underdog opppresed by "many Johannafags". Like no dude, you are not the underdog in this. Your pick won and the worst she gets is people calling her a spite winner, which is still not even half the shit Johanna gets to this day. Round 1 results are testament to that.
>>61592
I posted a little during Nominations, Qualifiers and Round 1, but couldn't do too much due to work and was hoping I'd have more time to make stuff with her in later rounds. For what it's worth, I was the anon who requested that pic of Johanna with Amelia, it was cool of that anon to finish it. And there definitely were vocal supporters in the threads, it's just that likely none of us expected this much spite to still persist. The Omni-Man RPer supported Johanna too, though at this point newfags will probably only know him as "the Wuya guy".
>>61755
See, newfags don't even know Johanna got a good amount of OC during her initial run. Because the people who hate her make up the loudest portion of the threads, which in turn tarnishes her reputation with newcomers. One would think if she had "many fags" defending her and shitting on Betty this wouldn't happen.
No.61916
Anonymous
Replies:>>61917
>an anon says he is “traumatized” by non-coom winning

Why are coomers so fucking sensitive lmao
No.61917
Anonymous
>>61916
Obvious falseflagger. He was trying to drag Toph and Raven down too.
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>Waifufags are once again creating more shit and calling everyone they don't like Redditors

God damnit, when will this shit ever end?
No.61926
Anonymous
Replies:>>61930
>>61924
What is this stuff about "waifufags" anyways? Is this not a waifufag tournament?
No.61927
Anonymous
Replies:>>61938
>>61924
This isn't really a problem on Queen, why is that?
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>>61924
No.61930
Anonymous
Replies:>>61931
>>61926

It's really wasn't....until now.
No.61931
Anonymous
>>61930
Good. That means Ms. /co/ is improving.
No.61932
Johanna
Replies:>>61935
Jobbing is my new passion btw.
Replies:>>61940
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>>61932
What type of jobbing?
No.61938
Anonymous
>>61927

Because /v/ has been on 4chan more longer than /co/ so they know a thing or two about handling drama, plus the sight of cute girls is wholesome enough to warm all the anons around.
No.61939
Anonymous
>more longer
No.61940
Anonymous
>>61935
The one in which you always kneel and not your gay fantasy in that pic, Gokubro. No wonder the prince is undefeated against TARDKU
No.61941
Anonymous
Replies:>>61942
>GOKUGOKUGOKU
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>>61941
Know your place.
No.61943
Anonymous
>Judyfag
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Critical support for Eris

Insincerely,
erischan staff
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Chaosfag. I don't mind if Raven wins, because if she does THIS will be what her team is turned into without her.

No matter what happens Chaosbros, we win.
No.61954
Anonymous
>>61914

Here's are some few examples from the first afterparty (and this isn't the only thread that similar shit happens):
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125861530
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125861564
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125861575
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125861596
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125861621
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125861654
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/125861283/#q125862154

I admit, I kinda blown it out of proportion by accusing them of saying Johanna's victory was "stolen" so I apologize for that; what I meant by that was how they refuse to accept their loss and move on. While now I know that there's still Johanna fans who have fun back in 2021, my point still stands though.
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>>61952
>If Raven loses Eris the queen of Chaos probably wins in the name of Chaos
>If Raven wins, she retires and her team is renamed to Team F.A.T.S.

IT'S A CATCH 22 SKADOO
No.61957
Anonymous
Replies:>>61958
>>61952
It's pretty apparent it's gonna be Wuya vs. Eris.
No.61958
Anonymous
>>61957
Just saying even if Eris lost, CHAOS will prevail
No.61959
Anonymous
>>61953
EEEEEH?!
No.61960
Anonymous
Replies:>>61961
I literally can't find the poll
No.61961
Anonymous
>>61960
The OC anchor
No.61962
Anonymous
>>61953
huh, where is that from?
No.61963
Anonymous
Lmao FARTS BTFO
No.61964
Anonymous
>FARTS bullshit gonna continue for years more
fuck
No.61965
Anonymous
>The FARTS have lost
No.61966
Anonymous
Replies:>>61968
>fartsfags get super cocky
>they get BTFO
Love to see it
No.61967
Anonymous
Who do I vote for now?
No.61968
Anonymous
>>61966
No one was cocky.
Eris vs. Wuya was an obvious call.
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How does dinosaur use computer?
No.61971
Anonymous
Replies:>>61972
Next year, the FARTS will be called FAS now.
No.61972
Anonymous
>>61971
Fitting
No.61973
Anonymous
>still putting loser's bracket as a question
No.61974
Anonymous
>computer ran out of battery mid-thread
hail eris!
No.61975
Anonymous
I guess as a /tnt/ anon I should be rooting for the two biggest campaign picks but honestly I don't care about either of them. Raven vs. Toph seemed like it could be a legendary finale, this is whatever. A pick whose main appeal is one joke ("heh... these tournaments sure are chaotic") and someone who had been losing Round 1 for years and suddenly inexplicably blew up in popularity (not accusing Wuya of rigging, but this is still really weird). While better than the last two years, this is gonna be just yet another boring underwhelming Ms. /co/ finale for me. Maybe one day I will get faster at drawing and will be able to draw 5 pictures per round like Erisfags or Wuyafags to make a girl I care about win.
No.61976
Anonymous
Replies:>>62003
>>61975
I actually really like Wuya and Eris and appreciate the campaign effort, but I would have vastly preffered we finally get one of the legacy girls a win and retire the FARTS meme. And "underdog" swerve win is getting predictable at this point that it's no longer a swerve.
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Come on man
No.61978
Anonymous
Think I'm starting to sympathize with the Fang* asteriskfags...
No.61979
Anonymous
>anti fangs brought up fang just to tantrum
Lmao they’ll never stop
No.61980
Anonymous
>>61979
NSA dug up drama again with his gay security question.
No.61981
Anonymous
>>61979
Can't blame them.
No.61982
Anonymous
>FARTSfags are still coping

Kek
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What’s with all the Toph and Raven spite all of a sudden? They have been very good sports and campaigned hard, especially the former. I’m glad they went this far.
No.61984
Anonymous
>>61983
I think wholesomeness in these tourney's are mostly fake. It's about anything to be the winner.
No.61985
Anonymous
Eris is winning. Could call that back in Round 4.
No.61986
Anonymous
>>61984
That’s a bummer, I genuinely enjoy cheering on other people. Ironic considering nearly all my mains are despicable villains and/or huge fucking assholes.
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>they’re still this mad
Lmaoooo
No.61988
Anonymous
Replies:>>61992
>>61924
>This shit again
No one buys your tribalfagging bullshit.
No.61989
Anonymous
>>61984
I think that's a load of bullshit.
No.61990
Anonymous
>>61983
I think it's a combination of funposting running rampant, and people that are salty about FARTS still being a thing.
No.61992
Anonymous
Replies:>>61995
>>61988

1. That happened only in the semifinals and right now, things are getting more calmer now.
2. If you're going to blame anyone for tribalfaggtory, blame the ones who are trying to divine and conquer by making imaginary enemies from people they hate.
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Don’t vote for losers bracket.
No.61995
Anonymous
>>61992
>Things are getting more calmer
Are we looking at the same thread right now because this is not getting calm, at all, and the previous round was very chill despite there being multiple shitters trying to cause a ruckus.
No.61997
Anonymous
Replies:>>63183
I'm very OKAY with these finalists, and it's probably been the best ms. bracket since 2018, but
>200 votes openly removes in qualifiers
>voter turnout halved
>NSA e-mail surveillance blacklist
>NSA known to be removing votes
>NSA demonstrating erratic and arbitrary behavior, even going behind other hosts backs
This year should gets asterisked.
No.61999
Anonymous
I hope I can give my proper thoughts on the whole email verification thing once the tournament is over. I feel like there’s an elephant in the room no one has bothered to point out yet and a reason why this year’s results have been much better received within the threads than 2021 and 2022, beyond all potential rigging.
No.62001
Anonymous
OH NO NO COMEBACK KID BROS
No.62002
Anonymous
>>62001
But she did make a comeback.
No.62003
Anonymous
>>61975
>>61976
I can't complain because the character I want to win Mr. /co/ this year hasn't been in an elite eight yet despite being close for a few years now.
No.62004
Anonymous
>>62001
She did make one, she got back to the elite 8 and didn't lose by much.
No.62008
Anonymous
Anything Iceberg worthy happen?
Only thing I can think of is Dedede.
No.62009
Anonymous
>>62008
Aaaaaah fuck I haven’t updated the iceberg since last year. I’ll get on with it next weekend and take all the suggestions I can.
No.62010
Anonymous
Replies:>>62011
>>62009
bruh
you missed lit a whole year of /tnt/ lore
No.62011
Anonymous
Replies:>>62012
>>62010
non-canon
No.62012
Anonymous
Replies:>>62013
>>62011
Better than the EU. Look at it right now.
No.62013
Anonymous
Replies:>>62016
>>62012
/tnt/ *is* the EU.
No.62014
Anonymous
>>62009
Rath, Omniman and Megamind were active too
No.62015
Anonymous
Replies:>>62019
> Those bottom 128 results
Damn Cleo, imagine smurfing when you are technically 191 in the qualifiers for this tournament and losing to Blu Rivers at 1021. Anyways congrats to Blu Rivers and Paprika. It's anyone's match now.
No.62016
Anonymous
>>62013
/tnt/ is Legends
No.62017
Anonymous
>>62009

What's the best place to see the tournament iceberg?
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>>62015
Blu is just that based.
No.62022
Anonymous
Replies:>>62023
What did Matias Torres win?
No.62023
Anonymous
Replies:>>62028
>>62022
One million cans that he has to pick up.
No.62024
Anonymous
>>62008
>>62009
We're at a point where we really need to stop adding irrelevant shit like "some avatarfag posted in the threads 5 times" to the iceberg. Only the most important things, like the e-mails or "I don't care what the thread thinks, I run these tournaments".
No.62025
Anonymous
This has been one of the worst threads of the entire tourney so far.
>blatant funposting raid by a few faggots
>retards too fucking retarded to not take the bait
>more of that "neopuritan" rabbit hole, which seems very gay and I think everyone associated with it should kill themselves
>campaigning for the finalists is pretty much just talking about porn
>more NSA bitching, this time with someone pretending to smugly defend him
imagine the finale of Mr.
No.62026
Anonymous
>>62025
Have the finale threads ever had this few posters before? It's on page 9 but there's only 81 IPs.
No.62028
Anonymous
>>62023
Best. Prize. Ever.
No.62031
Anonymous
Replies:>>62032
>>62025
Mr. will still be good again.
No.62032
Anonymous
>>62031
We'll see.
>inb4 /tnt/ level voter turnout
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I feel like the attacks at the two finalist's campaigns and the match up itself are being thrown around by someone who is participating in their first Ms. /co/.
No.62035
Anonymous
Replies:>>62038
>>62034
What makes you say that?
No.62036
Anonymous
I thought this thread was gonna be better after the last one, but it's shaping up to be pretty shitty too, even if it isn't as bad.
No.62037
Anonymous
>>62034
I feel you are worst girl.
No.62038
Anonymous
>>62035
Because it keeps going back to the same faulty points over and over: that there's been too much pin up art in favor of the contestants instead of more thematic drawings, that Eris doesn't have a real narrative going for her with very little references to her source material, the constant comparisson to Jack-off as if the dissenter in question had no other point of reference, etc.
Both Eris and Wuya supporters have been incredibly dedicated with their campaigns and the OC and discussion made from all the recurring jokes in the threads just go on to show their anons are paying attention to what's going on. Yeah, pin up fanart has been prevalent in both contestants' campaigns, so fucking what? It's been like this since forever, Ms. /co/ is a *WAIFU* contest where the majority of the voterbase is male. Tyr is one of the most beloved characters here for her campaigning, and two thirds of her tourney art are just pin ups. It's such a bizarre point to start bringing up now that we are in our sixth edition. Same thing for the whole "narrative" argument: tell me, what kind of oh-so-thrilling storylines did our other finalists have that these ones can't even compare? Spinel was a chaotic shirlord FOTM pick, Monarch won to make up for her show being abruptly cancelled, Betty was partly chosen due to spite... The only one with something close to having a proper storyline of her own was Fang. And again, it's not like there has been no discussion about TGAOB&M and Xiaolin Showdown. Lots of it, in fact.

The Jack-off comparisson is especially retarded in retrospect of Zorak vs Carl having a closer relation with this tournament, also another finale where both finalists had been supporting each other prior to the encounter itself and were pitted againts heavy hitters in the semis. People keep saying this is a lap victory for Eris, but taking all of this into account, I genuinely have no idea who is going to win.
No.62039
Anonymous
Replies:>>62040
>>62038
I honestly don’t think this could be entirely because someone is new to the tourney’s, I’m fairly new to these myself but I like the potential for the finale, even if the threads after the final 2 picks have been really bad, the bitching about pin up art could be because someone doesn’t know better but I also doubt it, the fact someone compared it to a /v/ finale would suggest that whoever is so upset about it isn’t a complete newbie.
No.62040
Anonymous
>>62039
Not a complete newbie, just someone participating in a /co/ tournament for the first time. I don't want to insult all of our local /v/fags who have been visiting Ms. /co/ out of interest, but I'm convinced the bitching is the result of one of them.
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These are the kind of people complaining about this year's results btw
No.62044
Anonymous
Replies:>>62101
>>62038
>I genuinely have no idea who is going to win.
Eris is 90% winning though. These kinds of trends you feel with years of tourney impressions. The traction and tourney thematics has always been mostly on her side and more voters just know about Grim Adventures.
No.62045
Anonymous
Replies:>>62052
>>62025
Oh god how many votes will mr have this year?
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>>62034
>>62038
I was watching that whole shit-show unfold and yeah, I got the same impression because it reminded me so much of my initial attitude when I first started following these tournaments. I've been drawfagging for these for a few years, and even though my ultimate pick who I genuinely consider an interesting and sexy character will never win, I've adjusted my expectations and found I have a lot more fun when I realize it really is just a waifu poll on 4chan. I've also sat out rounds where neither character really appealed to me. And that's fine. It's not about just what I want.

Onto the whole "narratives are better than sex appeal" thing, I think it's a bit unfair to put that pressure not only on drawfags, but all anons participating in a thread (because like the Simon & Jack thing got started because someone jokingly said they should kiss). Imagine checking out the threads after only voting just to see an attitude akin to, "you can only vote if you can tell me who officiated Simon's and Jack's wedding". I've drawn both, but honestly, I'm getting older and I have less time to dedicate to these, sometimes it really is easier for me to draw my pick doing a sexy pose vs drawing the elite 8 going on a tandem bike ride through the Tuscan countryside. But to me, OC of both of those sort of things is good, because it shows how much people like these characters or they're at least having enough fun to make it.
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>>62045
ONE HUNDRED VOTES!!!
No.62053
Ballsanon !th0DR5qBxs
btw the fake thread has a new form that's also collecting emails so I wouldn't vote if I were you
No.62058
Anonymous
>>62038
>The Jack-off comparisson is especially retarded in retrospect of Zorak vs Carl having a closer relation with this tournament, also another finale where both finalists had been supporting each other prior to the encounter itself and were pitted againts heavy hitters in the semis. People keep saying this is a lap victory for Eris, but taking all of this into account, I genuinely have no idea who is going to win.
This IS closer to Jack-Off than Zorak vs Carl, especially with how shitty the threads got. Zorak vs Carl were on much more even terms, had more thread support behind them and it wasn't as predictable. Most of the thread didn't get jaded and disillusioned from Courage and Daffy losing, but they did from AM and JC losing, just like now.
No.62059
Anonymous
Replies:>>62061
>>62058
The threads are jaded because of meta drama moreso than anything though.
Hopefully without the email stuff Mr. will be back on track at least.
No.62061
Anonymous
>>62058
It’s strange at least in my eyes since both finalists are the two contestants with the most art made of them and had tons of thread presence and support until this round. Maybe the real cause is due to the fact the characters are too similar?
Also, this >>62059
No.62062
Anonymous
Replies:>>62076
That thread was one of the most boring one's we've had so far, I could feel the lack of spirit coming from the posters there, God how did things get this bad.
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Bruh.
No.62064
Anonymous
Replies:>>62071
>jannies delete the real thread and keep the fake

Ah christ...
No.62065
Anonymous
Is this how this tournament is gonna end, with a wimper instead of a bang? Fuck.
Replies:>>62067
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No.62067
Anonymous
Replies:>>62069
>>62066
You didn't get banned, I hope...
No.62068
Anonymous
least drama-filled day in ms /co/
No.62069
Ballsanon !th0DR5qBxs
>>62067
no but I'm not gonna use it
see you in an hour or so
No.62070
Anonymous
>>62069
Have a good hour man, you've earned it.
No.62071
Anonymous
>>62064
it's not Ms. /co/ without a misfire
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*blink* I haven't checked the thread but I can assume I'm missing absolute chaos and that pains me.
>>62069
See you too.
No.62073
Anonymous
Replies:>>62074
>>62072
The real Mrs /co/ thread by Balls got yeeted in favor of a fake thread that should've been deleted hours ago.
No.62074
Anonymous
>>62072
>>62073
I guess it got converted into a real thread lol
No.62076
Anonymous
Replies:>>62082
>>62062
I think the assumption was two big OC picks would make it interesting. Here's the problem: both were already being hyped as favorites even before the tournament began. There's no wildness to this match.
No.62078
Anonymous
Are any of the hosts up? The fake thread's gone now.
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>Two threads at once
Seriously guys?
No.62080
Anonymous
Replies:>>62081
>Punished Balls
No.62081
Anonymous
No.62082
Anonymous
Replies:>>62083
>>62076
It doesn't help that Eris's whole campaign is CHAOS, but she's been one of the biggest powerhouses this year and the apparent winner since quarter-finals. Someone on /co/ said it well that she's become more of a generic coombait character since there's not enough drama in the bracket for her to really be the chaotic pick. Part of the reason her campaign focues more on coom and Omni-Man RP in later rounds
No.62083
Anonymous
>>62082
They basically embraced being Jack 2.0
Idk kind of sucks.
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>Ladies and gentlemen it's our unfortunate responsibility to let everyone know that Toph died in her own buried alive match, yesterday
>That's right JR! I've never seen such amount of sand before, I'm sure one particular Skywalker would have hated it!
>*wheezes*
No.62085
Anonymous
Wuya wins
No.62087
Anonymous
>they are announcing the results in a vocaroo again after we told them to never do it again after King
No.62088
Anonymous
>double elimination
It’s over.
No.62089
Anonymous
>double elimination voted yes
How in the FUCK
No.62090
Anonymous
>Farquaad gets to live since spin-off characters are separate
YES
>Double elimination
NO
No.62091
Anonymous
>Double elimination voted yes
For God's sake where are these yes votes coming from.
No.62092
Anonymous
Replies:>>62117
>>62088
>>62089
We can vote on it again after Mr. /co/ ends. Still, I want NSA to directly show us the results.
Replies:>>62111
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>Double Eliminations
Literally everything else was perfect.
They had to ruin this one...
No.62094
Anonymous
Finally this trash is over
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>>62089
>>62091
The silent majority is real, this is how Gojira will make it BIG
No.62097
Anonymous
>>62091
I legit don't believe this and think with how NSA was acting he may have just forced this one through.
No.62098
Anonymous
Replies:>>62103
>>62097
Yep, there's no way in hell the majority wanted this, EVERYONE was negative about it in the threads when the idea was proprosed.
No.62099
Anonymous
I didn't want double elim because these things already take a huge amount of energy out of me, so it's relieving in a way when my picks go down and I'm allowed to relax and observe the rest of the show. Now if my character loses normal bracket the suggestion is to campaign even harder to survive.
No.62100
Anonymous
Rigged
No.62101
Anonymous
Replies:>>62104
>>62044
This post aged like milk.
No.62102
Anonymous
Percentages? I haven’t listened to the vocaroo.
No.62103
Anonymous
>>62091
>>62097
>>62098
This is what's making me think NSA is rigging lol
No.62104
Anonymous
>>62101
It was all a falseflag btw.
No.62105
Anonymous
which one of you nerds voted for Double Elimination?
No.62106
Anonymous
Are anons really surprised Wuya won after all the "Eris is gonna win" posts? Falseflag or not, it’s proven that if you are overbearing with your predictions, people will just go the opposite way.
No.62107
Anonymous
Replies:>>62110
Will Mr. /co/ have email collecting?
No.62108
Anonymous
>no turnout
No.62109
Anonymous
>>62105
I didn't.
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE GRAPHS. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY.
No.62110
Anonymous
>>62107
Nope.
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>>62088
>>62089
>>62091
>>62093
Forget the asterisks, forget Fang, and forget Spinel, THIS SHIT IS 100% FUCKING RIGGED
No.62112
Anonymous
I didn’t see a single fucking soul say they liked the losers bracket what the fuck
No.62113
Anonymous
>NSA ran away again
KWAB
No.62114
Anonymous
WHERE IS THE TURNOUT MANSLEY
No.62115
Anonymous
>>62105
I absolutely did not, how the HELL Did it pass?
No.62116
Anonymous
>>62105
I believed it when /v/ voted for it because nobody but one guy bothered to elaborate and discuss what the whole idea entailed to begin, but this here just reeks of bullshit.
No.62117
Spideranon !!hAaBXjbZBz7
>>62092
You'll have to wait until tomorrow. Even in the email communications I had with him about getting the vote sheets to graph them for him he said I'd have to wait for monday because he's busy.
And because he's got to like, remove the emails from it and such.
No.62118
Anonymous
Replies:>>62125
Reminder NSA never posted the turnout of the King of /v/ semifinals. We only have the Psyanon vocaroo as proof.
No.62119
Anonymous
What a mess
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So, because Wuyah has won where do you place her alongside the other winners of this tourney?
Surprisingly enough, every winner till now I have been very familiar with because I've seen their series since their debut (aside from Betty of course). So I think I might have quite a valid opinion when I give said characters their rankings

1. Betty
2. Jenny
3. Wuya
4. Dr. Mrs. Monarch
5. Fang (would've been 3 if not for season 2)
6. Spinel
No.62121
Anonymous
NSA is a total fucking dickcheese for thanos snapping nominations when we JUST made a bot SPECIFICALLY for NOMINATIONS
No.62122
Anonymous
>he just combined "yes" and "let hosts choose" (evidently meaning just himself) and called it "yes"
LMAO
No.62123
Anonymous
Replies:>>62151
The original ms /co/ host came back
No.62124
Anonymous
Replies:>>62129
>>62122
I am so sick of this motherfuckers bullshit.
No.62125
Anonymous
Replies:>>62130
>>62118
Jack got rigged confirmed
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Alright this is too fucking far.
I was nearly neutral for most bullshit NSA did but this is the last straw broke the camels back. NSA straight up lied, a liar isn't any better than a rigger.

Genuinely I would rather have the tournament be back in a original state than it to be ruled by a fucking liar.
No.62127
Anonymous
>>62122
He did something similar in the /v/ tournaments last year with the 3 non-vidya rule.
No.62128
Anonymous
>>62120
all in shit tier
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>>62122
>>62124
aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
No.62130
Anonymous
>>62125
No, I really doubt that, but the way he made a post saying something along the lines of "wow this result is very awe-inspiring" while referring to Jack stomping AM was very bizarre, especially because he never comments on matches before they are over.
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YABBA DABBA FUCKING DOOOOOOOOO
Replies:>>62138
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No.62133
Anonymous
>another winner's getting overshadowed with meta drama
No.62134
Anonymous
Option 1 and Blu are the real Ms. /co/ 2023
No.62135
Anonymous
>Wuya's win immediately drowned out by the outrage over the double-elimination bracket
No.62136
Anonymous
NSA*, I kneel.....
No.62137
Amnesianonymous
>>62135
Literally who?
No.62138
Anonymous
Replies:>>62142
He split the fucking votes on purpose, didn't be? If Maybe wasn't there then it still would have been iffy on the chance that the fourth option was still just going to get compiled into Yes.

>>62132
No.62139
Anonymous
>>62120
1. Fang (yeah sorry I loved her and her campaign too much)
2. Monarch
3. Jenny (I wasn't there for the first Ms. /co/ so her cleanliness doesn't really hold weight to me, and I also wasn't a big MLAATR kid, but I recognize that she's pretty iconic in general)
4. Betty. She's like the epitome of "I guess that makes sense" but her win is kind of tainted by the fact she coasted by while everyone was too busy panicking over Johanna, Hilda & Muriel. She's also just not really exciting, and I think as the years go on she'll become one of the more forgotten winners.
5. Wuya. Call me a fag but she does absolutely nothing for me. I think I stopped watching Xiaolin Showdown before she got her body back and I liked Jack more.
6. Spinel, not because I hate her, SU or think she won only because of rigging, but because her win has permanently fucked up this tournament.
No.62140
Spideranon !!hAaBXjbZBz7
>>62135
Just like Tom's and the gay wedding
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I was gonna make a whole post about why I don't think Wuya deserves an asterisk (which I still do believe) but NSA had to fuck things up.
can we please kill this man?
No.62142
Ballsanon !th0DR5qBxs
Replies:>>62145
>>62138
the threads chaotic rn but I'll post what he said to me before he started driving home
"if most voted yes with stipulations. The answer is yes"
so maybe yes and let the hosts all got added together
No.62143
Anonymous
>>62141
It’s such a shame because I really like Wuya as a winner. Wtf NSA.
No.62144
Anonymous
I was gonna put this tourney barely 21 and 22 but this little stunt at the end might put it between them.
No.62145
Anonymous
Replies:>>62147
>>62142
So he abused statistical science, obfuscated the purpose of each answer without clarification in the question itself, and was a faggot

The question did say "hosts" did it not? Was there communication that the contents of the last answer meant to screw you and everyone else?
No.62146
Anonymous
>>62141
The part that saddens me the most is that would mean if we remove the votes of NSA's manipulated poll, Wuya isn't even the winner anymore and it's all thanks to NSA forcing his shitty loser brackets down anyone's throats because he fucking felt like it. Fucking christ man.
No.62147
Anonymous
>>62145
>So he abused statistical science, obfuscated the purpose of each answer without clarification in the question itself, and was a faggot"
Did exactly this last king of /v/ too
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Ms. /co/ is proven yet again to be the worst of the main tournaments
No.62149
Anonymous
Replies:>>62164
Boy the thread is really roasting NSA right now.
No.62150
Anonymous
It’s funny in hindsight how much chaos the double elimination poll is bringing upon the current thread, yet when /v/ put it as a suggestion last year and it got voted in, most anons were just "ah okay, lol". Was it just obliviousness?
No.62151
Anonymous
>>62123
I'd rather have him at this point, even after the Spinel shitshow
No.62152
Anonymous
>>62150
>Was it just obliviousness?
seems like it
No.62153
Anonymous
>less than 400 votes for a Ms /co/ finale

Oh god Mr will be even worse won’t it
No.62154
Anonymous
>>62153
It doesn’t have the Emil thing fortunately
No.62156
Anonymous
>>62153
No, because it doesn’t even have the email thing.
No.62157
Anonymous
Replies:>>62158
>>62150
When it was proposed for /v/, it wouldn't have replaced nominations.
No.62158
Anonymous
Replies:>>62160
>>62157
The double elimination system itself is a concern as well
No.62159
Anonymous
>They didn't even show results, just said 2xLims were the popular vote via a vocaroo
There's no way NSA isn't just covering up the truth.
No.62160
Anonymous
>>62158
That too, plus it wasn't even tested for /v/, just voted on, so we don't know how it would work in practice. I hope this double elimination shit doesn't apply to Mr. /co/ this year.
No.62162
Anonymous
>that one anon redrew Fang's panel in the winner's collage
That was nice of them
No.62163
Anonymous
Wait a minute, if Nightshift tried that double elimination bs, effectively killing the nominations, and put Mr. /co/ nominations in the finals thread, does that mean this lying, underhanded, sneaky two-timing weasel rat bastard tried to run Mr. /co/ with potential nominees getting gutted? Holy shit fuck this loser
No.62164
Anonymous
Replies:>>62165
>>62149
He deserves all of it.

it seems like in addition to forcing through the double brackets thing by adding options that aren't "no" and just counting them all as "yes "with stipulations"", he's decided to eliminate nominations without telling anyone, and put in some "who will you nominate in Mr. /co/" question WITHOUT actually telling people anywhere it's the only chance to nominate a character for Mr. /co/.

It's just insanity. He's crashing the tourneys with no survivors because he's a powertripping asshole. I can only hope he'll see reason and will bring the nominations threads back. Having to create a burner email is one thing, but getting rid of nominations is fucking insane. He's so shit at communicating it's incredible
No.62165
Anonymous
>>62164
Thankfully according to balls and penis(that sound really awkward)anons, this is getting rejected by the time mr /co/ starts
No.62167
Anonymous
NSA keeps trying to add bells and whistles to these tournaments and I think that's. Somewhat admirable. That he wants to try to make them better. But at the same time: please shut up.
No.62168
Anonymous
Replies:>>62169
Well, that was underwhelming.
No.62169
Anonymous
>>62168
People are saying Raven vs Toph would've been more fun but I definitely think that's a the grass is greener scenario and there's a timeline where we got that and are bored out of our minds there too.
No.62171
Anonymous
>>62169
It's possible, but their popularity and tournament history might've led to more engagement. I'm also talking about the afterparty and the threads in general.
No.62172
Anonymous
>>62162
I don't even like Fang's win but the panel does look better
No.62174
Anonymous
>>62169
Raven vs. Toph would have been completely dead threads and the afterparty would have an attitude of "at least we finally got it out of the way" with maybe two or three people actually celebrating
No.62175
Anonymous
>>62174
Toph had plenty of vocal support and OC. She would've almost certainly stomped btw.
No.62176
Anonymous
>>62175
Probably, Raven took ages to get some vocal supporters.
No.62177
Anonymous
Replies:>>62182
Alright I need context. What's with removing nominations? How the hell we will be able to get the characters to qualify now? Or am I missing something?
No.62178
Anonymous
>>62175
>>62174
This only proves Toph vs Eris wouldve been the best case scenario
Replies:>>62181
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>>62162
She does look cute in this
No.62180
Anonymous
I jost woke up.
What did i miss, how did NSA fuck up the finals?
No.62181
Anonymous
>>62179
It's nice that Fang doesn't have a supremely biased profile in that image now.
No.62182
Anonymous
Replies:>>62199
>>62177
NSA is a lying manipulative asshat who decided that removing nominations or moving them offsite, and changing things to a double bracket elimination system would be a great idea. He proposed this idea in a random thread at 3 AM, ( https://boards.4channel.org/co/thread/139303848#p139307308 ), had lots of anons enthusiastically tell him they all hated the idea, decided this was support, and put it to the vote sneakily in the Ms. /co/ final round form, without telling anyone this was also being voted on. He also manipulated the vote by putting in the options "yes" "no" "maybe" and "let the hosts decide", and then proceeded to count everything except "no" as a "yes (with stipulations", and had Psyanon (old radio vocaroos) declare the "result", again without explaining it. The other hosts called him out in the threads for this, they disagreed and weren't asked so the "let the hostS decide" shouldn't be yes at all at this point and "maybe" also isn't yes. "No" got way more votes than "yes". So he lied and tried to manipulate the vote to make it look like people want the double brackets.

He also put the question "Who will you nominate in Mr. /co/" in the Ms. /co/ final round voting form, without any explanation for why this question was there or any mention about old style of nominations being axed. people are now suspecting that was the only chance to nominate characters for Mr. even though it wasn't explained clearly anywhere at all, because NSA's gonna NSA and communicating with people is not something he gives a shit about, he prefers to piss everyone off and force unwanted participation-harming changes without telling people what's going on
No.62183
Anonymous
>coughs
No.62184
Anonymous
Replies:>>62185
When is Mr. /co/?
No.62185
Ballsanon !th0DR5qBxs
Replies:>>62186
>>62184
October 6th at 7pm est
No.62186
Anonymous
>>62185
Thank you.
No.62190
Anonymous
Replies:>>62195
>6 hours to respond
new nightshift low
No.62194
Anonymous
>>62120
1. Jenny
>OG. Won with purity. No suspect circumstances or controversies. A great board icon and rep of an era. Great waifu and character. All around ideal ms. /co/ rep.
2. Betty
>Perfect legacy winner. The original waifu. Won through spite unfortunately but was no doubt the best choice of that year in the end.
3. Wuya
>WOO YA. I'm biased and have been maining her. Great character and villain from an underrated show. Hottest winner too.
4. Monarch
>Okay. No strong opinion. Basically a pity winner but nothing too disagreeable about it.
5. Fang
>meh. Just don't care. I guess her and fang gang deserved it though. NSA's swerve and attitude about it into next year does sully her some.
6. Spinel
>I actually like the character. Totally bullshit win though.
No.62195
Anonymous
Replies:>>62197
>>62190
Has he responded yet?
No.62196
Anonymous
>>62194
This is the most sincere ranking I've ever seen and I share the same thoughts as yours.
No.62197
Anonymous
>>62195
No, but it'll be soon
No.62198
Anonymous
Highly unprofessional host tbh fam.
No.62199
Anonymous
>>62182
This is something I noticed them the /v/ tourneys were happening too. For some reason the Maybe-equivalent vote always added onto Yes for some reason, but at that point what's the point in not calling it Yes?
It's just splitting the vote in a retarded way that can't account for more specific opinion.
No.62200
Anonymous
Replies:>>62201
Ok
But where is the turnout
No.62201
Anonymous
>>62200
the last round was 398 votes
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>He wrote out four options instead of two because he was "rushing"
No.62204
Anonymous
>>62194
I could bother with my own ranking, but honestly this is a good basis. There's next to no doubt Jenny is the best and Spinel is the worst, but other four are weird because there's the character and then the circumstances under which they won. For example, I'd rank the Monarch high as a character, but while nothing was outright wrong with her win it was very boosted by her show's timely cancellation. That being said, you still hit the nail on the head with actual points even if I'm not sure how I'd rank 2-4 exactly. Fang was a fine enough winner, but just has tougher competition.
No.62205
Anonymous
I claim eternal bragging rights for saying Eris wasn't guaranteed to win.
No.62206
Anonymous
Replies:>>62207
>NSA is actual NSA
Or whatever the fuck his job is it seems too important for him to be spending so much time on incompetently running pointless 4chan tourney’s.
No.62207
Anonymous
>>62206
His higher-ups just love the amount of data he's mined from us throughout the years :'(
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>after-party thread got deleted
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>>62208
The mod for /co/ is always very quick on the draw. He probably thought one afterparty thread was enough. On /v/ you could probably keep creating them since the mods don't give a fuck
No.62210
Anonymous
>>62208
It was fun while it lasted.
No.62211
Anonymous
Fuck the jannie who deleted our thread. How convenient he waited until the tournament was over for him to do it.
No.62212
Anonymous
>>62208
Funny since they should know they fuck off after 24 hours, but they REALLY want to keep it as limited as possible
No.62214
Anonymous
Seriously?
No.62215
Anonymous
>>62214
NO PARTY
NO FUN
NO
No.62217
Anonymous
>>62214
Yes, the /co/ mod is always no-fun
No.62218
Ballsanon !th0DR5qBxs
oh, the thread pruned before I could reply to some of anons questions, I'm not gonna push and make anymore threads, thanks again for participating
No.62219
Anonymous
Replies:>>62220
It so surreal to see the tourney is gutted all because of one host trying to repair the system when the system didn't broke yet.
No.62220
Anonymous
Replies:>>62223
>>62219
It's because his way of introducing change is retarded, too forceful, autocratic and secretive

A thread is back up btw
No.62221
Anonymous
When do you think Dong Poster will do the recap?
No.62222
Anonymous
Has the iceberg been updated?
No.62223
Anonymous
>>62220
Same strategy of a government agent.
No.62224
Anonymous
I don't care about pro or anti-MD. They're constant presence and arguing about them this tourney was fucking annoying. Hopefully it cools off next year.
Replies:>>62241
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This was quite the wild tournament, but now that the smoke's starting to clear, I'm glad to see people still have interest in the tournaments.

Nominations:
https://voca.ro/19hqJYkmlozd

Qualifiers:
https://voca.ro/1bAro3hAZ3Eo

Round 1:
https://voca.ro/184LEBMY6K35

Round 2:
https://voca.ro/174nUARhCfC2

Round 3:
https://voca.ro/1dc9PJQWCnBz

Round 4:
https://voca.ro/19g2FGRdtwMO

Round 5:
https://voca.ro/1mEPFLpa2QKM

Round 6:
https://voca.ro/1lWGhiz6hKQN

Round 7:
https://voca.ro/1aWQsZEc4V14

Round 8:
https://voca.ro/1gPDzPrPgJbx
No.62229
Anonymous
Ms. /co/ is the most fascinating tourney from a meta perspective. Every year is some twist and turn in trends, drama, and lore. Should be a book about it some day.
No.62230
Anonymous
>>62229
I wonder awaits us next year.
No.62231
Anonymous
>>62230
There IS the animal sacrifice ritual judyanon promised if judy makes it in...
No.62232
Anonymous
>>62229
>>62230
Repeated from a past thread
>2018, the calm before the storm
>2019, Spinal’s FOTM victory run
>2020, Peruvian shenanigans and “Oh my show just died”
>2021, the Spitevote tournament
>2022, Furry mafia rigging and the triumph of the FangGang
>2023, Doomfag chaos
>2024, The Gag tournament
No.62233
Anonymous
>>62232
>Doomfag chaos
More like the NSA villain arc.
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>>62231
Hold on, what? When did he say this?
No.62235
Anonymous
>>62232
This year might've actually been the most seethe of any tourney next to ms. 2019. It was almost all meta though (host + schizo's and silent/campooner philosophy stuff). The brackets and winner were considered very good which makes up for a lot though.
No.62237
Anonymous
>>62231
I'm pretty sure that was someone else.
Replies:>>62265
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One character closer to completion.
No.62241
Anonymous
Replies:>>62245
>>62226
I'm curious about something.
NSA said that he got you to say that the loser bracket was voted "yes" due to miscommunication.
Can you verify this and let us know how truthful this is. Was there any miscommunication like he said?
No.62242
Anonymous
>Blu River's is Hiroshimoots OC
>He actually was drawing support for her during the tourney
lolWHAT. I had no idea.
No.62243
Anonymous
>>62242
wrong hiro
No.62244
Anonymous
>>62242
It's a different hiro. Sad so few noticed him. I had to hold myself back from asking what he thought about the current state of the threads.
Replies:>>62246
>>62241
Sure, let me just clarify a few things before I go forward. In the shows, I often say 'the hosts' or 'the organizers'. That's just part of the show. As for who I had contact with, it was only ever Nightshift. I've never spoken privately with Balls, Ghost, or any of the rest. When I received the emails from NSA, it was like King /v/ the year prior. Some of the ballot initiatives had clear yays or nays, and he let me know. Just as he wasn't sure who'd won the tournament until time was up. Considering that there was only a 10 vote gap, that's understandable.

In his first email to that effect, he was ambiguous with how he'd worded the bracket statement, so I asked him to clarify in a straight yes or no. He said yes.

As far as any communication (or lack thereof) between him and the other announcers, I don't know. But as far as the information I put out on my show that night, that was directly as informed.
Replies:>>62247
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>>62245
So when he said "There was a miscommunication error" he wasn't being entirely truthful?
Replies:>>62252
>>62246
Being fair, I wouldn't say that. As I read that sentence, what he's saying is, because he didn't properly communicate with the other hosts, he had the wrong idea of what the proper answer to the brackets question was, and gave me the wrong answer to give out as a result. I don't take it as being actively deceitful towards me.

In essence, the fault lied with him assuming that his unilateral interpretation of the answer was correct. Starting from there, his actions were consistent with that mindset. I hope that makes sense.
No.62248
Temp
Yo Long John Silver, uh...any sites you think would be productive to meeting people in a good enviroment? I think quitting 4chan would be best
No.62249
Anonymous
>>62248
Silver is dead.
Ruber killed him.
No.62252
Anonymous
>>62247
It does. Thank you.
No.62253
Anonymous
>>62248
What do you mean?
No.62254
Anonymous
Replies:>>62256
>>62248
What do you expect?
Give you some sort of heavenly site where everyone is perfect and kind and they talk friendly with each other?

Without sarcasm, here's a serious answer:
There isn't.
Every site you go to will have bad apples and there isn't a single site in the internet that isn't tainted in someway. My genuine advice here is to stay far off as much as possible from social media sites such as 4chan, youtube, etc. that you may use but I wouldn't suggest cutting off all ties, that would be withdrawal. Yes, a majority of people are addicted to the internet and social media much like they are to drugs and tobacco and cutting all ties to them may lead to some consequences. What I'd suggest is to experience the IRL world a bit, go outside the park, walk, go to a gym, hang out with your friends or family, etc.

Tho, if you must use Social Media for some form of escapism (even though I condemn it) I would suggest things that are light in nature and not heavily involved in politics or drama. Look at nature documentaries, read or listen to adventure novels or books, find some sort of hobby.
Pretty fucking basic advice but that's what I really give you because you're not a patient in my office. I know this might be underwhelming and I sound like a second-hand grandma giving you some shitty advice but this is the best I can suggest for you.
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>>62248
No.62256
Ballsanon !th0DR5qBxs
>>62254
social media/internet really is fucking horrible for you, I ready some studies some time ago suggesting you'd probably be better off doing drugs then being on the internet for more than a few hours a day since it'd be the same effect

I've no advice for pc's, you're doing multiple stuff on them anyway but when you're out and about, get a dumb phone that doesn't have internet, works wonders
No.62257
Anonymous
>>62248
Just join a Discord server.
No.62258
Anonymous
>>62256
God this hit me on a deep level.
No.62259
Anonymous
Replies:>>62263
I'm not the only one who doesn't buy any of these Temps that keep showing up, am I? Real Temp left in January and we have no way to confirm any of these guys are him.
No.62260
Anonymous
>>62256
Oh, PC is as bad as Iphones believe it or not.
You're still half of the time engaging in some sort of social media activity and they both will weaken your field of view by 50~%.

What makes social media truly dangerous is the fact that it is a invention the human psyche is not yet evolved to handle properly. If you go on a fruitless and unnecessary argument in the internet, you produce Cortisol (the stress hormone) for literally no reason and that Cortisol ends up being useless and can fuck up the hormonal composition of your body. Discord and Reddit mod haven't gotten their reputation just from a funny stereotype. What they partake in genuinely shapes how their body morphs into, like hairline, eye sight, temperament, etc.
No.62261
Anonymous
Regardless of the fake/real Temp, I think you can get by just fine with internet friends, you just need to be sure they're ACTUAL friends, t. kid who spend most of his childhood glued to video games and TV instead of being taken out to socialize.
No.62263
Anonymous
>>62259
Ask BlackHand.
No.62264
Anonymous
Replies:>>62269
>Ms only got 400 votes for the finale
>meanwhile I’m following a Twitter tournament by some rando for Godzilla designs and some rounds reach up to 2k votes
God fucking damn
No.62265
Anonymous
>>62240
That tournament of champions for the Ms. /co/ winners is gonna be Jenny vs Fang and no one else will even come close to touching them desu.
No.62266
Anonymous
>>62265
Imagine the fucking seething if fang won that, it would be Jenny due to her golden calf status
No.62267
Anonymous
Replies:>>62268
>>62265
Nah, it'd be Jenny vs. Bravo.
No.62268
Anonymous
Replies:>>62271
>>62267
>>for the Ms. /co/ winners
No.62269
Anonymous
Replies:>>62272
>>62264
Sauce?
No.62270
Anonymous
>>62265
>implying Fang won't be spite voted out
No.62271
Anonymous
>>62268
I mean Jenny would win and the finale would be her vs. Bravo.
No.62272
Anonymous
Replies:>>62273
>>62269
I really don’t wanna influence it via outside interference, so please don’t vote in this unless you are a Godzilla fan. It’s being held by someone called MoonZilla4.

Next round is the quarterfinals, it’s slow going because it’s one match a day, but it’s getting there. Current match is DougheGoji vs Miregoji (2019-2021 vs 2000) and it’s pretty close right now and has 2020 votes as I’m writing this.

Their elite 8 right now is:

>shin (caveat that he didn’t have a round one because of odd numbering and he got drawn out of a hat to not have round 1)
>GMK
>KiryuGoji
>GareGoji (2014)
>1954
>NegaGoji (he calls it MinusGoji but it’s the same thing)
Two more needed to fill out the 8.

Late heisei won so he got Jenny’d
No.62273
Anonymous
Replies:>>62275
>>62272
Kek, it’s funny seeing /tnt/ terms be used for an unrelated tournament.
No.62274
Anonymous
okay year as far as ms. /co/ goes
No.62275
Anonymous
>>62273
I mean it’s easy for us to understand lol. But yeah, Late Heisei is out permanently because he won last year. I’m probably jinxing it but DougheGoji looks like he will be in the E8. And the last match before the quarterfinals is 1998 vs Final Wars. Which could be prophetic.

At this rate I wouldn’t be shocked if the finals are just the legendary designs going at it.
No.62276
Anonymous
it's over...
No.62277
Anonymous
I hope that annoying euro-con gets mangled in a horrific traffic accident.
No.62278
Anonymous
"fuck that faggot Squidward"
Final post.
Replies:>>62283
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So Mike, what did you think about Ms. /co/ 2023?
No.62281
Anonymous
>>62278
Based
No.62283
Anonymous
>>62280
>I hated it
I loved it!
>well, I didn’t hate it…
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And with that ms /co/ 2023 has officially come to a close, wild year I have to say, now if mothra had lasted longer and her prayers this wouldn’t have been bad. Anyway I’ve gotta root for the King in less than a month
No.62287
Anonymous
>>62278
SquidKEK BTFO how will he ever recover?
No.62288
Anonymous
>>62278
mr. krabs retard spam is annoying, spitevoting against him
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>>62278
>>62285

What do these two mean?
No.62291
Anonymous
>>62290
autism
No.62292
Anonymous
>>62290
Luz confirmed to hate Squidward.
No.62294
Anonymous
>>62290
It means that Squidward is a faggot and a dyke
No.62295
Anonymous
Alright guys, what's your final thoughts on this year's tournament?

For me, I say it's a bit better than last year; aside from the retarded war between the "waifufags" and "neopuritans" on how the tournament should be run and the infamous email collecting thing that NSA came up to deal with riggers.

There were some good unique girls that managed qualified for the tournament such as Coco, the Tiff cousins, and Tinkerbell. Some like Toph and Starfire are able get much further up the rank than before while others like Slappy and Hilda didn't get too far despite doing good previously.

The Elite Eight was good but my only complaint is that two FARTS girls and two spies took up space which would've been great for other girls like Pacifica and Violet. Overall, it's pretty okay for me. Wuya is a nice addition to the Ms /co/ winners; something that everyone on both sides can enjoy.

The side tournaments were incredibly fun; I especially enjoyed the Bottom 128 and I think it's a good idea for characters who have a low chance at qualifying for the real tournament, can participate in something else. Although I doubt it could happen due to the size of this site, I wonder if it could work for the tournament here as well.

In conclusion, I rate this year a 7 out of 10. A slightly better tournament than last year, but that's not saying much for this one thanks to it's similar problems.

So what are your thoughts?
No.62296
Anonymous
>>62295
>Tiff cousins
I’m gonna have to keep correcting people about theiir name until I’m dead aren’t I. That aside she was my pick and I was happy to see how well she did, and the tournament in general was fun when people were in a good mood, the campaigners and RP guys also got me hooked onto /tnt/ in general, overall it was pretty solid.
No.62297
Anonymous
>>62295
Bottom and Barred are side tournaments, a side tournament for a side tournament wouldn't work.
No.62298
Anonymous
Replies:>>62300
>>62297
This, a side tournament is already niche, adding a niche tourney to another one won’t work out well, nut it should be just fine in the big one’s.
No.62300
Anonymous
>>62297
>>62298

Agreed, another problem with hosting it here is the fact that we have less people here than /co/ and that means less nominated characters which would make it impossible to host.
No.62302
Anonymous
Replies:>>62384
>>62295
Mixed. Bracket was good. Threads were full of meta.

The trend of 2000's millennial nostalgia dominating is no surprise In fact, as far as the brackets go there are few major surprises. I'd actually expected Hilda/Johanna to flop compared to their previous performance. DTVA and MD predictably got early booted despite the heavy push, and I guess I thought Loona might do better but she and Vivzie in general are really in the same camp as the aforementioned. Toph pulling off the long-awaited/hoped comeback was a bit surprising though one of the best parts of the tourney.

The semi's kind of felt like a combo of campaigner and popularity. And it came down to "popular but not obvious popular" + more campaigned trumping again. This seems to be a trend now for a while. I'd have preferred the FARTS finale to lay to rest the dumb acronym and finally get a legacy girl in, but Eris vs. Wuya was fine. There was no bad picks by that point. Wuya is a cool winner, and while Eris would've been fitting it dawned on me as the finals went that she would probably be looked unfavorably as a meme winner.

But yeah the meta drama was overwhelming and that's pretty much all on NSA and his seemingly arbitrary, sudden decision-making and unprofessionalism. The e-mail thing is retarded and pointless imo and probably the main contributor to the massive voter dropoff (fucking 40% turnout) rather than him catching that many riggers. His apparent culling of votes very likely decided many match-ups too. And of course there's the weird loser's bracket mix-up/deception which overshadowed Wuya celebration. Might give this year an asterisk. I guess it's the usual for a ms. /co/ though. /co/ just can't seem to have a full good girl's tourney.

2018 > 2020 >>> 2023 >= 2021 >= 2022 > 2019
No.62308
Anonymous
Replies:>>62312
2022 is still the best shit-post year, so many anons went all out in that tourney and every thread gave me 10 laughs minimum
No.62310
Anonymous
Replies:>>62384
>>62295
First I want to bring up the good. Barred and Bottom 128 were the best part and kept some of the spirit alive, the character campaigns were good, it was cool for Alexposter to finally see his girl in E8, and the E8 was overall great with seeing several former E8's return after years of being gone. Now for the bad and there is one bad thing, but it alone eclipses everything else, NightShiftAnon. His poor communication, terrible attitude, and sudden decisions cemented what we should have known in 2022 that he is unfit to host. I was pretty annoyed with people shouting the tournament was saved just because they liked the E8 while round after round, NightShiftAnon would say or do something retarded. I used to try to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I can't anymore. I was the one that made the deleted post here asking if we were too harsh on him and I take back everything. We cannot trust this guy moving forward and that is especially damaging because he is the host. It's going to be hard to get rid of him because he now has a system in place thanks to mod retardation that prevents us from it. With how much attention he took, I don't think we were in Ms. /co/. We were in Ms. /NSA/.
No.62312
Anonymous
Replies:>>62314
>>62308
>Slappy schizo
>True Heart schizo going crazy in nominations
>Propane's whole run
>Disney TVA getting taken out by the Andrias poster's falseflag campaign
>Tigress vs Azula turning into a yuri fanfic
>Ass tribute
>All of furr-gate which could be broken down into it's own list
>The fucking Queen of England dying mid tournament

And that'ts still missing a ton of stuff. From a pure drama perspective it will never be topped. If you ever wanna revisit it here's recap anons thread
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/132986541
No.62314
Anonymous
Replies:>>62405
>>62312
Few of the biggest problems with recap anon's list that bugged me
>there was a long speculation and whole tourney /phil/ thing going on leading into the tournament that recap anon knew nothing about cause he doesn't browse here, but it was basically the start of deep analysis and organizing meta being brought into the tournament
>highly understates the ENA tranny thing and possible connections to propane, doesn't mention how it swamped threads, edits were made, and ENA anon's blaming her loss and 8th place on it
>Spinel posting last round never stopped, it actually ramped up maximum last thread with seethe fallout when Shirely lost
>validates the last place tourney for some reason and doesn't mention how it was made and blatantly rigged by tribefag and all the owl-frog tribeshitting going on the whole tourney about it
It's bloated with small details yet with many weird gaps. I'm gonna assume he'll do it the same way this year making a single gigantic info dump but I wish he went back to doing it in live increments and not trying to completely max it out.
Replies:>>62321
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I'M STILL YABBA DABBA WAITING!
No.62321
Anonymous
>>62319
Jesus his face looks like wrinkled ass
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Did NSA ever release the form?
No.62332
Anonymous
Replies:>>62334
>>62325
Nope.
No.62334
Anonymous
>>62332
So explain the approved rule changes, please. And did Blu get her victory screen?
No.62339
Anonymous
>>62325
What I want to know is when that FRAUD is updating the Challonge page
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I promised to draw this, so here we are.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139379325/#139381419
No.62355
Anonymous
No.62356
Anonymous
>>62353
Lel, nice job.
No.62360
Anonymous
>>62353
>he drew my apple suggestion
Nice.
No.62370
Anonymous
>couldn't get enough posters for the Wuya thread
>Eris thread still up
Wuya bro's...
No.62371
Anonymous
>>62370
There's another Wuya thread.
No.62373
Anonymous
>>62370
There’s a Xiaolin Showdown thread that’s doing fine.
No.62384
Anonymous
Replies:>>62406
>>62302
>>62310

The only thing worst than NSA himself is his apologists. They all act like he is not wrong and everything he does will "save" Ms /co/. NSA was bad enough, but his fans are much more insufferable.
No.62405
Anonymous
Replies:>>62407
>>62314
An anon in a thread this year admitted he started the ENA tranny thing just to troll and for outrage
No.62406
Anonymous
Replies:>>62408
>>62384
Most of them are funposters. At least the KNEEL TO NSA types.
No.62407
Anonymous
Replies:>>62413
>>62405
We already know that. Do falseflaggers and shit posters in general need any other motivation for what they do?
No.62408
Anonymous
>>62406
What's so fun about them?
No.62409
Anonymous
>>62408
shit-post ---> funpost
No.62413
Anonymous
Replies:>>62414
>>62407
The guy I replied to thought they did
No.62414
Anonymous
>>62413
Well, I doesn't change that it still happened.
No.62415
Anonymous
>>62408
For some reason its a word filter.
No.62416
Anonymous
What are the approved rule changes in comparison with what was before?
>>62408
It's an euphemism.
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Boy that was a fine Wuya thread.
No.62421
Anonymous
Okay so is it safe to say Nightshift is demoted now?
Like not off the hosting team but no longer in the position to try and pull dumb shit like Shirley and Let host decide right? He genuinely single-handedly ruined this year's Ms. /co/ from being the best it's ever been in recent times
No.62422
Anonymous
>>62421
I wish.
No.62423
Anonymous
>>62421
Probably not. Balls and Ghost don't really try to overrule him. At least Balls will apparently be the main one for /v/.
No.62475
Anonymous
Replies:>>62500
Hoping we get the recap soon.
No.62495
Anonymous
>>62421
He should
No.62500
Anonymous
>>62475
That would be great, the year of CHAOS
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Why is EVE so fucking stupid and a terrible Elite 8 member?
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>>62506
I have no idea how can anyone say this. The MS Paint art of her raping NSA and IC had me falling out of my seat.
No.62514
Anonymous
>>62510
Where's the one with IC? Also he's been sperging as usual in the Eris thread. The thing that has me a little confused is what is his problem with cartoon dads?
No.62521
Anonymous
>>62514
His father ran out on him when he was a kid, leaving him alone with his crackwhore mum.
No.62524
Anonymous
>>62506
There have certainly been worse.
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>IC is relying on NSA's BLACK list to save his MILFs from jobbing after admitting to being into cuck black porn
The jokes write themselves.
No.62532
Anonymous
>>62526
I genuinely wonder who NSA’s main is
No.62533
Anonymous
>>62532
Shit, typo, I meant IC, not NSA
No.62535
Anonymous
Replies:>>62537
>>62533
The man is so filled with spite and rage that it's hard to imagine him wanting anyone to win, bar some of the DTVA girls, I'd say he wants a MILF to win but with how much he hates the cartoons the majority of them come from I don't think that's it, it's easier to speculate about which pick he'd hate the least for winning.
No.62537
Anonymous
Replies:>>62538
>>62532
>>62533
>>62535
Probably Dipper is his main because isn't that the character he fantasizes about having a harem of MILFs? Either way I'm currently compilating a list of 00s characters and dad characters (and 00s dads) to unleash during the nominations to hopefully qualify and repel the cuck as an unholy being would be repelled by holy water
Though just to be sure IC only obsesses over children's cartoons? I've never seen him make a thread about say Rusty Venture despite being a dad from a 00s show, but I do see constant autistic meltdowns over Ron Stoppable and Lawrence Fletcher
No.62538
Anonymous
Replies:>>62539
>>62537
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/135346808/#135348522
He hates cartoon dads from adult shows as well, I think he just doesn't mention Rusty because he doesn't know or care about Venture Bros.
No.62539
Anonymous
>>62538
>Hank Hill
yeah that was definitely him in that /co/ thread about Heroes
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>>62526
>claims to hate furfaggotry because they're invading his home
>has peg pics on his computer
No.62542
Anonymous
>>62510
>>62514
>>62526
Wait what? What did i miss?
No.62547
Anonymous
So long Eris thread
No.62949
Anonymous
Has anyone tried making a mock-up of what a seeded traditional bracket of this year would have been like? I did it with Mr. /co/ last year.
No.62956
Anonymous
Replies:>>62957
Since 2022, I've been enjoying these recent ms. /co/'s honestly.
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>>62956
2022 was a clusterfuck of bad decissions but at the very least an entertaining one in the end. 2023 had a great line-up of finalists with active support and was the first time in a very long while I liked the two finalists.
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>Ms. /co/ 2023 became so rampant with meta drama nobody but me bothered to point out this was the first instance in a tournament motherfucking PenniCandies showed up to contribute as a drawfag
No.62965
Anonymous
Replies:>>62968
>>62962
Literally who?
Replies:>>62970
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>>62965
Newfags I swear...
No.62970
Anonymous
>>62968
>posts picture of more literal whos
No.62971
Anonymous
Replies:>>62972
>>62970
At least I can be proud to say they are the literal whos I voted for.
No.62972
Anonymous
>>62971
Voted?
No.62974
Anonymous
Replies:>>62975
>>62970
Harley Quinn and Raven my guy?
No.62975
Anonymous
>>62974
Never heard of 'em.
No.62976
Anonymous
>>62975
right on
No.62979
Anonymous
Replies:>>62994
>>62962
And Hiro. If it weren't for meta drama I feel like this had the potential for best ms. /co/ ever.
No.62994
Anonymous
>>62962
>>62979
I don't now what there is to be upset about. Ms. /NSA/ was great.
No.63051
Anonymous
Replies:>>63059
>>62962
And the original host from 2018 returned to shit on NSA
No.63052
Anonymous
Replies:>>63054
tbh i thought the biggest drama for this year was gonna be people using AI art but I don't think it was posted even once
No.63054
Anonymous
>>63052
Yeah it was weird
I guess some people can't afford the software or don't have the patience to use it
Maybe that'll change in the /v/ tourneys
No.63055
Anonymous
Replies:>>63056
>>63054
I think it's mostly because nobody wants to see that shit or make it.
No.63056
Anonymous
>>63055
It seems AI fags are dying out despite the fact it's supposed to be the future
No.63057
Anonymous
>>63054
There's places its actually free and very easy to make. But it would tank a characters chances. Despite everything anon's so far have at least had the tact not to use it.
No.63058
Anonymous
>>63054
I remember someone in King /v/ last year was using AI art to take request, but it was more so to see what it would look like since it was barely accurate rather than to try and support a character.
No.63059
Anonymous
Replies:>>63060
>>63051
he did?
No.63060
Anonymous
>>63059
Haha yeah
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139366294/#q139368701
No.63063
Anonymous
Replies:>>63069
>>63060
>whine like a faggot instead of taking over Nightshit's role
He truly smells like 2018 if his code wasn't cracked at all.
No.63069
Anonymous
Replies:>>63070
>>63060
>>63063
Yeah I think host rigging a character through a whole tourney to victory is still worse than anything NSA's been confirmed to do.
No.63070
Anonymous
Replies:>>63071
>>63069
The 2018 Mr. /co/ rigger was a different host if that's what you were getting at
No.63071
Anonymous
Replies:>>63076
>>63070
Doesn't change the fact the later just gave up because Spinel of all shitty things, unless he had something to do in the matter because that's exactly what happened with Dominos.
Replies:>>63159
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In hindsight, was Slappy getting shoved up anon's ass a good or a bad thing?
No.63073
Anonymous
In spite of everything else that happened, I would say this was the best year for OC no question.
No.63076
Anonymous
>>63071
It is interesting that he showed up again to shit on NSA but never opened up into hosting himself again, a lot has changed since with better precautions especially the FOTM clause but kind of just came up and left
No.63077
Anonymous
Replies:>>63078
>>63076
Because nobody sane enough wants to carry the burden that is hosting this shit.
No.63078
Anonymous
>>63077
Someone can if they aren't retarded like NSA coming up with unexpected stuff he can tell here beforehand. The guy banishing because of Spinel gives me the same sentiment of Dominos because of Demonic Hosts.
Replies:>>63082
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GRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
WHERE IS THE RECAP
No.63082
Anonymous
Replies:>>63083
>>63081
God I wish I could be shitting there.
No.63083
Anonymous
Replies:>>63186
>>63082
It looks like me whenever I take a shit.
No.63084
Anonymous
Replies:>>63114
RecapAnon became lame and gay the moment he stopped recapping Mr. /co/lympus.
No.63109
Anonymous
>>63076
The tournaments are far too big and chaotic for that anon to ever host again
When they hosted it was a small thing where a few hundred voters and 150 girls or so were nominated, then it turned into this massive shitfest of 1000 girls and up to 1000 "votes", many of which are cheaters
No.63114
Anonymous
>>63084
There's just not enough drama and happenings.
No.63117
Anonymous
Temp is just fucking weird man.
Numnuts is clearly some sort of narcissist with emotional issues, NSA is a control freak, but I have zero clue what to make of Temp.
No.63118
Anonymous
Replies:>>63133
>>63117
underage/literally autistic.
No.63131
Anonymous
>>63117
Didn't Temp make a blogpost thread here begging for someone to talk to him?
No.63133
Anonymous
>>63117
>>63118
definitely autistic
No.63156
Anonymous
>>63117
Numnuts claimed to be BPD and suicidal before.
NSA seems like he legit thinks what he's doing is right and is probably making snap final decisions with no debate cause he's apparently got a very demanding and confidential glowie job to worry about.
No.63157
Anonymous
>>63117
Isn't he a actual kid? He shouldn't even be around.
No.63159
Anonymous
No.63165
Anonymous
>>62506
>depicting EVE as suppository/dildo in tournament fanart has actually been a trend since at least 2020
I don't know what to do with this information.
No.63166
Anonymous
To me it seems that tournaments are getting better but, slowly and carefully. What I mean is, since 2022 this whole method of getting rid of votes has been working in some way .Despite the whole e-mail shit caused by NSA, when someone suggested him moving the poll to the anchor things got relatively better. Plus we have to remember he's now just limited to /co/ tournaments, which means BallsAnon, who's someone with experience on /v/ will be hosting Queen/King this year. It's worth noticing there will always be disagreements with anons on the boards, the ones that shouldn't be paid attention are clearly Industrycuck who's now more evident who he is thanks to his spamming of Fang.
No.63167
Anonymous
>>63166
I wonder how Balss and NSA will handle the double elimination bracket in Queen/King, or if they will even implement it at all.
No.63168
Anonymous
Replies:>>63170
>>63166
Having a year like this after 2022 even if you do consider it better only added fuel to the fire. I don't see it overall getting better with the increasing loss of faith and NSA is becoming more like the parodies of him.
No.63170
Anonymous
>>63166
>>63168
this year only seems better because it was after 2022. it's still worse than 2021 and especially 2020, even if the results were good.
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>>63170
>It’s still worse than 2021
No.63172
Anonymous
Replies:>>63189
>>63166
We have no way of knowing if NSA's measures do anything other than apparently drastically decrease vote count. People tend to accept anything if the results are to their favor. I don't know how you'd figure it's "better" other than the brackets got "better" characters moving on. Even then when the whole tourney is sus it's hard to see those brackets are valid.
And sure there'll always be disagreements but the arguing can sure be minimized with better management and behavior on NSA's part. Let's not start throwing boogeyman's around to detractors.
No.63173
Anonymous
Replies:>>63175
>>63170
>>63171
21, 22, and 23 are all same tier to me tbh. They all got their own reasons for being worse/better than each other. They're all "bad but not worst ever" (you know the worst one). 2020 is "okay" and 2018 is "the only actual good one."
No.63174
Anonymous
Replies:>>63175
>>63171
Wasn't 2021 a competently run tournament that was bad because of spitevoting? 2023 is an actually bad tournament period regardless of the results which is a new low.
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>>63173
>>63174
After reading this I have come to the conclusion /co/ will never be satisfied regardless if the elite and winners were good or not and regardless if the threads went on as calm as the ones in fucking /trash/ of all places I wish I was kidding. 2023 was just The NSA's Retarded Shenanigans Show through qualifiers to round 1 with that e-mail bullshit he implemented at last minute. Other than that, the other minor and EASILY IGNORABLE crap that happened was the whole "cAmPoOner" trend started by one faggot who may as well be Industrycuck.

None of it really affected the results or tainted ANY character like 2021 and 2022 did with some of them, unless they get the proper support again. Johanna for example, none of them showed up and she was crushed in r1, although I can see a part of the whole spitefest that 2021 was contributed to it. Is 2023 going to affect the chances of any further contestant from there? No, because all that happened was an kindergarden fight probably spammed to death by one person. Not one, if not all of the elite 8 members actually earned their spots with effort and dedication but I'm also proud to admit this was the first time since forever that I actually couldn't decide between voting for Eris or Wuya because of many reasons including the fact both are girls I know from a long time.

Now I normally understand this neverending debate between 2021, 2022 and definitely 2019 but shoving in 2023 with this "OnLy BaD toURneY" mindset because of a host's shit and trolls? Don't be so fuck.
No.63176
Anonymous
>>63175
Yeah but Harley and EVE were the weakest part of the elite to me. They had contributions sure but not worthy enough to be part of it.
No.63177
Anonymous
>>63176
EVE actually was the one with the most art out of all the other quarterfinals losers. You also have to take into account that the brackets go in one specific way and, for both of those contestants, they still were the most vocal among their section.
No.63178
Anonymous
>>63176
EVE had stuff going on. It was Harley who was being pity carried like Muriel did in 2021.
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>>63175
>None of it really affected the results or tainted ANY character like 2021 and 2022 did with some of them
Thank you Ren, I think this statement is what really sets 2023 apart from all those other years. Whatever drama or controversy during the tournament had little if nothing to do with disappointing results or characters being tainted for one reason or another. It really cannot be understated how miserable 2021 and 2022 felt by comparisson, not just due to cheating and the usual hostfaggotry but lots of characters being unceremoniously eliminated or smeared.

At this point people have developed such a lowly image of Ms. /co/, that they have a (perhaps subconscious) need to act in defeat even when presented with signs of improvement. Some of the more pessimistic posts I saw during the latter rounds really reflect this, which is why I'm 100% convinced there would have been arguing and seething from people making up controversies regardless of NSA fucking up at the beginning.
No.63180
Anonymous
This tourney was absolute fucking garbage, coping with "oh, but I like the elite 8 haha!" doesn't change that fact.
No.63181
Anonymous
Replies:>>63182
>>63180
If the final results and OC variety aren't what decide if a tournament is good, then what the fuck does?
No.63182
Anonymous
Replies:>>63184
>>63181
Results are subjective, the quality of the tournament is not.
"The host ruined the tournament and the threads were filled with funposting and almost nothing else, but I like the results so this is the best tournament ever!"
No.63183
Anonymous
Replies:>>63191
>>63175
>>63179
The results ARE tainted. I think this has been explained many times and I don't see what's hard to understand. See >>61997 When the whole process is openly tampered by questionable individuals on a major scale with massive tangible change (halved voter turnout) and suspicion throughout the whole thing the credibility of the tourney is pretty well tainted. There CAN be a satisfying ms. /co/, and that's having no major vote public tampering (whether riggers, host, or combo which is what 2023 was) or general bullshit effecting the entire tournament go down. I mention in my very post you reply to 2020 and 2018 were fine. So ms. /co/ can in fact be good.
"It's good cause I like the results" is retarded, not to mention obviously subjective. I like Wuya but I'm certainly not satisfied in the overall circumstances she won. If all that matters in results being good then go ahead and admit rigging, psyops, and general funposting in all forms is fine if it's for your characters.
No.63184
Anonymous
Replies:>>63185
>>63182
The quality of the tournament is subjective in the same way the results are subjetive, because what one person can consider funny others will see as annoying and intrusive.
>”but I like the results so this is the best tournament ever!"
No one is saying that, just that this year was better than the two before it.
No.63185
Anonymous
>>63184
This. 2019 was actually the best tourney ever cause it was funny.
No.63186
Anonymous
>>63083
you should see a doctor anon
Replies:>>63190
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>>63172
I'm still under the suspicion NSA actually does not actively investigate and remove votes, and it's doubtful he ever had a robust method for doing so in the first place except for extremely blatant instances such as, I dunno, 50 ballots with the exact same sequence of choices appearing within the span of two hours. Imagine how egregiously obvious whatever Perinigger (and other potential gigariggers out there) did must have been for NSA to freak out and decide to implement email verification on the spot. But alternatively you could always argue that identifying fraudulent samefagged votes is significantly easier during the qualifying poll compared to the bracket rounds.
No.63190
Anonymous
Replies:>>63218
>>63189
A problem is if you're gonna say he didn't remove votes and the voter turnout just halved naturally then that's crazy and a shame since that basically means losing half the board for a board tournament. But if you're gonna say he did remove votes and it was all riggers, or riggers were stopped naturally from the e-mail verification and that's why 500 votes are missing then what the fuck does that say about the three years prior? Are all ms. /co/'s just basically confirmed rigged out the ass then and none of the results close to legit? And this is of course assuming NSA is removing rigs in good faith and decent intelligence if he is.
No.63191
Anonymous
>>63180
>>63183
Or, you simply are a sad, strange little man who takes most of his time discussing how tournaments in a fucking imageboard are like life or death. What else do you want NSA to do really? To reveal who was rigged and start another 2022? If he was rigging by removing votes he wouldn't have implemented that stupid option with the e-mails then. Do you want 1000 people out of nowhere voting here? No, 500 or less actually fit perfectly for the number of ips in the thread. In fact, I wish all tournaments were like that but /v/ has a justified bigger traffic. So wait, you saying the year of the pity win was fine (2020)? Stop clowning around.

Now I hope next you reply it's an actual argument I'll be willing to listen and not another "THE HOST AND THE IMAGEBOARD HURT MY FEELINGS THEREFORE IT'S TAINTED" bullshit again or else we are going to deem you another Industrycuck for pushing hard for this asterisk meme to the end of times for the absolute miscroscopic shit.
No.63192
Eobard Thawne
Replies:>>63195
It was me, Anon
I rigged your waifu at super-speed so NSA would delete all her votes.
I was IndustryCuck and Perifag and I was fucking Temp too, all me Anon.
I made threads before the hosts could so mods would delete the real ones, those posts that got you so mad, and you wondered how someone could think about this tourney that way? it was me, too.
I betrayed and trapped you in an endless cycle of seethe and campooning and dooming and peepeepooopooming until you went insane, and then, i grabbed your favorite girl and crushed her like a kit-kat bar.
And when it was all over Anon? I banned Ms. /aco/ too, just to keep you pent up enough, to edge you until death, never to see your girl win, never to see yourself coom.
I won.
No.63193
Anonymous
Replies:>>63194
>>63191
You are replying to two people like it's one guy.
No.63194
Anonymous
Replies:>>63197
>>63193
The same crybaby mentality may as well merge them into two. Stick to Barred and Maiden if your precious Ms. /co/ didn't turn out the way you wanted in fucking 4chan of all places.
No.63195
Anonymous
>>63192
Fake. We all know it was Trump.
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Nearly every year brings about its share of criticisms, and this isn't exclusive to Ms. /co/. This tourney had its ups and downs and I wouldn't really call it a GREAT tournament overall, but one aspect I can wholeheartedly appreciate is the improvement it represented compared to past editions. It was genuinely refreshing to see a top 8 lineup that wasn't marred by spiteful or strategic voting, not to mention how the four final girls genuinely earned their positions by being at the top in content and support.
No.63197
Anonymous
Replies:>>63199
>>63194
>this tourney sucked again
>NO YOU CRYBABY
No.63198
Anonymous
Replies:>>63199
>>63191
turn your trip on nightshift
No.63199
Anonymous
Replies:>>63201
>>63197
>explain the reasons it sucked
>WELLLLLLLLLLL YOU SEE THERE WAS THIS HOST AND SOME EASILY IGNORABLE ANTI-CAMPAIGNERS AND YADDA YADDA
>>63198
>no refutal
It's ok, I'm NSA if it makes you feel any better.
No.63200
Anonymous
>>63196
Based king of /v/ 2021.
No.63201
Anonymous
Replies:>>63202
>>63199
explain the reasons it didn't suck
No.63202
Anonymous
>>63201
>>63196
Save for Harley being carried by pity. Tons of actual OC and interactions between campaigns. Eris and Wuya has the most presence and fun stuff going on along with the other Elite 8. FARTS not succeeding. Off-topic shit from IC that didn't affect any winner other than scream his hateboner for Fang.
No.63203
Anonymous
>>63202
I replied to Batter for more reason into it he explained better
No.63204
Anonymous
>>63202
>if I ignore the bad stuff, it's good
No.63205
Anonymous
Replies:>>63207
>>63204
>even if it's microscopic shit and doesn't make my argument about it any more relevant
Keep replying
No.63206
Anonymous
Replies:>>63207
>>63204
That can be said about any tournament after 2018.
No.63207
Anonymous
Replies:>>63208
No.63208
Anonymous
Replies:>>63209
>>63207
I think by this point a site like Twatter is more akin to you if anything past 2018 is uncomfortable to you.
No.63209
Anonymous
Replies:>>63211
>>63208
>uncomfortable
?
No.63210
Anonymous
Replies:>>63211
>>63191
The problem with NSA"s measures is how dubious his judgement is (if he's in good faith) and all the implications behind that and the lower voter turnout. It's very clear cut and reasonable why the tourney can be considered bullshit because of it.
Now what NSA can do is SHUT THE FUCK UP and keep up the normal show. If we're gonna treat this like a WWE fake spectacle then at least hide the business. It's what we voted him to do but he threw it out the moment he talked about the hundreds of rigger votes and implemented his new method, and then boom hundreds of votes remain gone the rest of the tourney. Of course there's gonna be bickering over that and calls that it's tainted. Especially seeing NSA himself evidently wants to take the tournament seriously. And really there's no point in pretending the tournament should have any legitimate approach from anybody if we're just making this purely a spectacle. LITERALLY defend why any tactic is not justifiable then, or why a funposter saboteur getting their kicks isn't in the right as much as legit campaigner or voter trying to have their fun time.
Right now you can't justify beyond "I liked the results". Fine, but that doesn't obligate it being regarded by anyone else as a good tourney in the face of so much meta bullshit. People got different approaches, and I somehow feel you wouldn't be throwing around the same "boo hoo your precious Ms. /co/ didn't turn out the way you wanted in fucking 4chan of all places" about 2019 or if perifag won.
No.63211
Anonymous
>>63209
Exactly.
>>63210
Do you think I also applaud his retarded and last minute events? I prefer the tournament votes being fit with almost the same number of IPs in the thread than being paranoic about any Discordfag or outsider causing shit behind our walls. Results? I liked the tourney overall if you ignore the off-topic shit caused by Industrycuck. NSA is a retard and his decisions with this anti-rigging policy of his only made him the clown and subject of many OCs which got us big laughs, not a big deal either unless you're a rigger. The losers bracket is a shitty idea too, no idea why people actually voted for that.
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I thought Toph's campaign was very cute and I'm glad she managed to go so far.
I might half-jokingly said at some point the real reason she kept losing early despite being a high seed was due to rigging, and considering this year's circumstances, I don't know if that statement could actually hold some water.

>>63211
Only Ko/v/ voted for loser's bracket. It's staggering how different /co/'s reaction was to the suggestion compared with /v/'s, in hindsight.
No.63213
Anonymous
Replies:>>63214
>>63211
>not a big deal either unless you're a rigger.
Rigging is literally not stopped at all by his measures which is why they're doubly retarded.
No.63214
Anonymous
>>63213
It can if you take time analyzing the results which is easier if they are just 500 or less than examining 1000, which he does through the 20 minutes after closing the poll, not saying he fully gets rid of the votes just possibly the ones that seem to appeal to characters getting more votes out of nowhere. Now when it comes to /v/ tournaments rigging can and will happen because no one knows for sure how many voters
>>63212
Shit, now I remember.
I wanted Toph to win but thank god she actually got third place and even beat a former runner-up
No.63215
Anonymous
Replies:>>63217
>>63214
We have no idea how or to what extent he's doing it. This is still assuming the 500 lost votes were riggers who left and not angry legit voters or stuff he's also removing.
No.63216
Anonymous
>>63214
-how many voters there are in a board with so much traffic like /v/, compared to /co/, /an/ and currently /trash/.
No.63217
Anonymous
>>63215
By the looks of it the votes lean more towards the normalfag picks such as Frankie, Jessica, Bellum, etc and the other side those characters actually campaigning hard like Eris, Wuya, Alex etc. That's it if all of the silentpicks like Frankie aren't actually rigged.
No.63218
Anonymous
Replies:>>63219
>>63190
>the tourneys have been jacked up to fuck by rigger niggers for years and all the match and character statistics are to some degree false
Imagine.
No.63219
Anonymous
>>63218
They have been all Jack Offs!
No.63221
Anonymous
So we going on the narrative that the e-mail sign-in really did eliminate 500 riggers then?
Cause like it's been said that pretty much makes every other ms. /co/ straight bullshit except the first one.
Replies:>>63223
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>>63212
In a scale from zero to one billion, how much ruckus and seething do you predict double elimination will cause in /v/ if it gets fully implemented?
No.63223
Anonymous
No.63224
Anonymous
Replies:>>63227
>>63196
>only argument is still "the line-up is good"
Results are sus cause the whole voting circumstances this year are sus so i wouldn't say the top 8 is genuine.
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>>63221
Tbh, contrary to popular belief (for some reason) this tournament was shit every way you look at it.
There weren't any underdogs, new players, interesting choices, etc. For there to garner any interest. I am not implying that the current contestant weren't great but I am talking tournament wise, people lost a lot of interest early on.
Many forget how much people lost all interest in the fucking QUALIFIERS. Round 1 eliminated a lot of characters which managed to garner at least some attention which also deteriorated the interest in the tournament, me included.

Many people don't consider the fact that people simply lost interest in voting shit in the first place because there weren't any interesting options.
To note: Interesting doesn't always mean "Good", it simply refers to the fact there's some sort of new gimmick, creativity, quirk that brings something new to the table.
No.63227
Anonymous
>>63224
>Yeah but you see the TINY circumstances about something that isn't even entirely confirmed...
I liked the tournament overall and laughed my ass off to NSA's retarded shit. Maybe campaign for a crewmate next time. Keep it up though, I'm in progress of developing right here a new Antibro.
No.63229
Anonymous
>>63227
I had fun campaigning and drawing for my picks even though they lost and I know they did because they aren't that board relevant. I just kept jumping from favourite girl to another until I got mine to the elite.
No.63230
Anonymous
Replies:>>63233
>>63226
sore loser
No.63231
Anonymous
Replies:>>63238
Helluva Boss furries and Murderbots aren't interesting.
No.63232
Anonymous
>>63221
Ms. /co/'s voter count through its history has been pretty inconsistent.
>2018: 345 to 309
>2019: 1082 to 1766
>2020: 830 to 802
>2021: 974 to 660
>2022: 1028 to 948
>2023: 545 to 398
No.63233
Anonymous
>>63230
I am not denouncing or calling names on any particular character. Lost interest thus stating an opinion, you fucking cockroach.
No.63234
Anonymous
>>63227
>TINY circumstances
It was half the voterbase disappearing, hundreds of votes being removed in qualfiiers, and new data-mining methods bro.
No.63235
Anonymous
Replies:>>63242
>>63234
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't care, I like the winner
No.63236
Anonymous
>>63232
That's not consistent at all lol.
No.63237
Anonymous
Replies:>>63243
>>63226
Speak for yourself, I was interested in the results of each round all the way through.
No.63238
Anonymous
>>63231
Thanks for your interest to them
No.63239
Anonymous
>people are developing different arguments and opinions to me so I must create a new boogeyman
Hate these niggers.
No.63240
Anonymous
Replies:>>63245
>>63232
Tbh, In 2019-21 was significantly higher than it is now. 2022-23 /co/ has experienced a decline in board activity and is on par with 2018.
No.63241
Anonymous
Replies:>>63249
>>63175
>>63179
You keep glancing over the fact that the drama with NSA eclipses the results. Not being able to trust a host and his inability to properly communicate is a huge problem and why some are so willing to throw Wuya in the asterisk club. We need to have some faith in those in charge otherwise these lose meaning to some people. Yes it's autistic, but the autism is supposed to and can be fun. This is just depressing. I liked the results, but you have to keep in mind when looking at this year that they were eclipsed by something greater.
No.63242
Anonymous
Replies:>>63246
>>63234
>>63235
>Trying hard
Bro, this is just sad.
No.63243
Anonymous
>>63237
good for you.
Is it universally agreed? Very doubtful.
No.63244
Anonymous
Replies:>>63248
>>63243
There's no we, anon
No.63246
Anonymous
Replies:>>63250
>>63242
Yeah, it's sad you try to create boogeymen for anyone disagreeing with you.
No.63247
Anonymous
Replies:>>63253
>>63243
>Very doubtful
Considering how celebrated the top 8 was, no, not really.
No.63248
Anonymous
Replies:>>63252
>>63244
Did I ask?
No.63249
Anonymous
>>63241
Ok faggot
No.63250
Anonymous
>>63246
>even though the reasons are retarded
Here * place it on Wuya
No.63251
Anonymous
>>63232
Holy shit 2019 really was a rigfest
No.63252
Anonymous
>>63248
>His father response during his birth
Probably
No.63253
Anonymous
>>63247
I don't think I actually brought up the elite eight in this at all. I was talking about the earlier rounds and how much interest it lost.

When most people who don't care leave the early rounds, you are left with people who only care about the elite eights which is universal about every tournament.
No.63254
Anonymous
>>63253
The fuck you talking about?
No.63255
Anonymous
>the narrative now is if you point out the greater issues with the tournament and hated it even if you like the elite eight and winner, you're just a sore loser and a schizo
NSA played us all like a fiddle. Such a great villain.
No.63256
Anonymous
>>63253
>you are left with people who only care about the elite eights which is universal about every tournament.
Alright, so what does that make of ms /co/ 2023 then, when the voter turnout decreasing is universal for every tournament?
No.63257
Anonymous
>>63255
I don't agree with this year being great or having "easily ignorable issues" but the guy complaining about a lack of interesting choices sounds like an idiot.
No.63258
Anonymous
>>63255
>greatest issues
Votes being accord with the number ips isn't really one.
No.63259
Anonymous
>>63232
>the most controversial years in terms of results are the ones with the highest voter turnout
Huh.
No.63260
Anonymous
>>63257
I at least agree with that
Replies:>>63267
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>>63257
Not him but the anon did say that the this years choices were good but not interesting which... I kinda get him?
No.63263
Anonymous
>>63257
To quote myself:
>To note: Interesting doesn't always mean "Good", it simply refers to the fact there's some sort of new gimmick, creativity, quirk that brings something new to the table.
No.63264
Anonymous
Replies:>>63266
My ranking would be this:
>2018
>2023/2021
>2020
>2022




>2019
No.63266
Anonymous
Replies:>>63269
>>63264
How is 2020 below 21 and 23?
No.63267
Anonymous
>>63262
Probably because out of 8 characters 5 of them had already been in the top 8 before. I can kinf of get behind that perspective, but unpredictavility and novelty isn't what makes a tournament more enjoyable and interesting.
No.63269
Anonymous
>>63266
The pity win year and literally a man winning.
No.63271
Anonymous
Replies:>>63273
>>63269
>literally a man winning
This is how I can tell you're baiting
No.63272
Anonymous
>>63269
lmao it really is all about results. But even granted the pity winner the 2020 E8 and general bracket was MUCH better than 2021.
No.63273
Anonymous
Replies:>>63282
>>63271
I sure love it when Monarchfags only show up when someone criticizes his victory. And I'm saying this as someone who thinks THE Monarch deserved the win before him.
No.63274
Anonymous
And this is why people don't like FOTMs and voting for topical reasons in general.
No.63275
Anonymous
Raven beat Frankie in the /trash/ tournament
No.63277
Anonymous
Replies:>>63279
I'm surprised schizo-schizo hasn't caught on, with how many people wanna see schizo's everywhere.
No.63278
Anonymous
>>63275
Based.
No.63279
Anonymous
>>63277
Batter and Garland won, what do you mean?
No.63281
Anonymous
Replies:>>63284
>>63275
And whoya lost to a plant
No.63282
Anonymous
>>63273
She's a smoker and I would have preferred Tyr and The Monarch winning over her. Nice bait though.
No.63283
Anonymous
Replies:>>63286
>>63282
>She's a smoker
Nice bait though
No.63284
Anonymous
Replies:>>63287
>>63281
>in the side tournament which is less relevant
Anti-Wuyabro...
No.63285
Anonymous
>>63275
She also got farther than Frankie in the main tourney too. I think it can be said at this point Raven would win the hypothetical "clean" 2019 finale.
Replies:>>63288
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>>63283
No.63287
Anonymous
Replies:>>63289
>>63284
>in the side tournament which is better
ftfy
No.63288
Anonymous
>>63286
Disgusting.
No.63289
Anonymous
>>63287
>only because Nightshit isn't hosting it to announce unplanned shit as he does
No.63290
Anonymous
Replies:>>63291
>>63282
I would've preferred Tyr too but Fang probably would've probably beat her in the finale if Monarch didn't have the FOTM boost. 2022 without Fang would've been interesting though.
No.63291
Anonymous
>>63290
How was Monarch case a FOTM situation? It was a pity boost that should have been reserved for the Monarch, not her.
No.63293
Anonymous
Replies:>>63294
>>63291
NTA and FOTM is not the correct term to employ here, but what he means is that she got a boost for topical reasons in this case being, well, pity, as you said.
No.63294
Anonymous
Replies:>>63295
>>63293
Precisely that. I don't feel that for Wuya because she's actually relevant in her own show, her rise of power after recovering her original form and the tons of effort and campaign compense that. I hope the Midna anon delivers the elite 8 soon this year.
No.63295
Anonymous
Replies:>>63297
>>63294
This is also why Wuya was a much better pick than Eris.
No.63296
Anonymous
>>63291
It's starting to become a trend that a funny male villain will be outdone by their more serious female cohort.
No.63297
Anonymous
>>63295
I admit I find Eris charming too, but Wuya as a character, appeal and campaign convinced me through the tourney. Plus her run from 2018.
No.63298
Anonymous
>the 2023 asterisk autism stops
>the Culturefag starts sperging on /trash/
Hmm?
No.63299
Anonymous
>>63298
I'm not opposed to an asterisk for this year, but that guy is so annoying. He showed up in a Xiaolin Showdown thread just discussing the show.
No.63300
Anonymous
Replies:>>63301
>>63298
>it's all one guy
Wrong. I'd give this year an asterisk too.
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>>63300
Just like you did to Eris in that trash thread right?
No.63302
Anonymous
Replies:>>63303
>>63275

>/trash/ tournament

Wait....it's starting already?
No.63303
Anonymous
Replies:>>63304
>>63302
It's /aco/: /trash/ edition.
No.63304
Anonymous
>>63303

Oh okay, and there I was getting worried because I have lots of funny mains to nominate there.
No.63305
Anonymous
Replies:>>63306
>culturefag fled
Kek
No.63306
Anonymous
>>63305
So he really knows this place huh? I can tell the guy is just an attention seeker everytime someone exposes him so the little care you give about him the better.
No.63308
Anonymous
2019 had confirmed outside interference, 2022 had the host outright state the final round was foregone. 2023 doesn't have anything on that level. there's general host distrust but imo that's not enough to justify an *.
No.63311
Anonymous
>>63308
Tell that to culturefag who goes autistic anytime someone mentions Eris or Wuya
No.63312
Anonymous
Replies:>>63315
>>63308
I'm on the fence. There are good reasons for and against it having an asterisk.
No.63313
Anonymous
Replies:>>63314
>Cultureflag was the one stirring up all this shit
It's always the same fucking faggot.
No.63314
Anonymous
>>63313
His hypocrisy and degeneracy have been called out so many times it's obvious he's just an attention seeker pretending to be an oldfag.
No.63315
Anonymous
>>63312
The only one who deserve it is NSA*.
No.63316
Anonymous
>>63315
This, if a competitor for any reason is considered viable for an asterisk without there being any solid proof of rigging the blame should go SOLELY to NSA*, he's the one making all these fuck ups, not the campaigners or their picks.
No.63317
Anonymous
Replies:>>63318
>>63315
>>63316
Actually the asterisk is just applied to the tournament. There's no single character to blame, and asterisking a host is stupid, so it goes to the whole show.
No.63318
Anonymous
Replies:>>63319
>>63317
No, asterisking 4chan as whole is the best option.
No.63319
Anonymous
>>63318
No we should asterisk the entire internet.
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*blink*
No.63323
Anonymous
Replies:>>63324
Branding 2023 an asterisk is basically a roundabout way of admitting that every tournament NSA has been responsible of hosting is of contested credibility. It's an incredibly easy slippery slope to fall into.
No.63324
Anonymous
Replies:>>63325
>>63323
Nah, just the ms. /co/‘s where he did the retarded stuff.
No.63325
Anonymous
Replies:>>63326
>>63324
Anon, he's been doing "retarded stuff" since the beginning. If we claim the year as dubious because of lack of host trustworthiness, then every tournament he has orgnized falls into question as well.
No.63326
Anonymous
Replies:>>63327
>>63325
Way more retarded than other tourneys. He got the voter turnout halved and caused arguments the whole tourney.
No.63327
Anonymous
Replies:>>63334
>>63326
But that's not even the argument being used to justify why this year should be an asterisk, just that NSA's methods are perceived as untrustworthy, which they are.
>caused arguments the whole tourney
So just like with every tourney that NSA hosts?
No.63329
Anonymous
Bejita betrayed me.
No.63330
Anonymous
>>63329
Goku...
No.63332
Anonymous
>>63329
Trunks...
No.63334
Anonymous
Replies:>>63335
>>63327
His methods shifted the things to a massive degree. 400+ votes gone and the open knowledge he's removing a bunch himself implies a much different bracket than naturally, especially seeing that many match-ups were just a few votes difference in victory.
No.63335
Anonymous
Replies:>>63337
>>63334
>and the open knowledge he's removing a bunch himself implies a much different bracket than naturally, especially seeing that many match-ups were just a few votes difference in victory.
So like with every tourney he has hosted since Ms. /co/ 2022.
Replies:>>63339
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you guys gotta stop taking this so seriously
No.63337
Anonymous
Replies:>>63338
>>63335
Two tourney's. That and this one.
No.63338
Anonymous
Replies:>>63340
>>63337
What are
>Mr. /co/lympus 2022
>Queen of /v/ 2022
>King of /v/ 2022
then?
No.63339
Anonymous
Replies:>>63342
>>63336
this lol, drama babies overreacting to 1 single thing
it happened, its over, wuya won, you can hypothesize all you want about how X would've won if you had access to your 20 alt emails but you'd just be wasting time
No.63340
Anonymous
Replies:>>63341
>>63338
There wasn't any open mass rigging/vote adjusting shit.
No.63341
Anonymous
Replies:>>63343
>>63340
NSA has been supposedly inspecting and deleting rigged votes since last year’s Ms. /co/, you dumbass. It applies to every tournament he hosts. Why do you think he no longer leaves the poll rounds open?
No.63342
Anonymous
>>63339
i used my alt emails and got wuya to win lol
No.63343
Anonymous
Replies:>>63346
>>63341
There's a strong difference between the suspension of disbelief and public knowledge. With Mr. and /v/ there's an assumption that things are fine. Nothing known outside of that is nearly as bad as what he's known to have done with ms.
No.63344
Anonymous
Replies:>>63345
>>63342
bro fr i don't care
No.63345
Anonymous
>>63342
>>63344
Bejitabro btw
No.63346
Anonymous
>>63343
Estimating the extent of cheating in Mr. and /v/ is as uncertain as it was for Ms. /co/ 2023, at least concerning the poll rounds. This is why if you are going to declare this as another asterisk it's going to set up a precedent for anybody to say that every tourney NSA is involved in, where votes are deleted, is automatically suspicious.

Asterisks should be reserved exclusively for cases where we have concrete evidence of cheating for specific characters.
No.63348
Anonymous
Replies:>>63357
>>63346
Same here, even though Nicole only cheated one round according to NSA himself. He said he could come up with another symbol for cases like this.
No.63349
Anonymous
>>63346
>Estimating the extent of cheating in Mr. and /v/ is as uncertain as it was for Ms. /co/ 2023
nah. We lost half the voter turnout after his declaration. That's enough of a red flag.
No.63351
Anonymous
>>63349
a red flag is not concrete
No.63352
Anonymous
>>63349
We lost half the voter turnout compared with 2022, which for all we know was filled with riggers and with no vote deletion. That's the important bit we are not mentioning here.
No.63353
Anonymous
The 500 votes were real.
No.63354
Anonymous
The 500 votes were TRAPPED and BETRAYED in the time chamber.
No.63355
Anonymous
Replies:>>63358
>>63352
It was half the common turnout. >>63232
No.63356
Anonymous
Replies:>>63362
Cumnuts rigging for Wendy is still the funniest shit
No.63357
Anonymous
Replies:>>63359
>>63348
The asterisk being an official thing at all is dumb. NSA can't shut his faggot mouth like usual and just do the technical stuff quietly while polling major decisions (all a host should really do). I don't think he should get reign to hand out and make up more symbols retroactively.
No.63358
Anonymous
Replies:>>63360
>>63355
all this says is how incredibly inconsistent the Ms. /co/ voter turnout has been through the years desu
No.63359
Anonymous
Replies:>>63361
>>63357
We have Balls for /v/ now. That means we are limited to NSA just for two tournaments unless someone else takes over.
>>63352
Riggerniggerbros
No.63360
Anonymous
>>63358
It's consistently far higher than this years (with the exception of the first year which is the case for every tourney).
No.63361
Anonymous
Replies:>>63363
>>63359
Won’t NSA still be managing the sheets for /v/ as well?
No.63362
Anonymous
>>63356
And the motherfucker only did it because he was pissed they changed the image of Lois, what a tool
No.63363
Anonymous
>>63361
Spideranon and Ghost are around so no. Regardless, the one with better knowledge about /v/ is Balls and he won't be an ignorant as NSA was
No.63371
Anonymous
Replies:>>63379
>>63363
I'm pretty sure balls is in control of the rules and the final say and nsa still does the sheets
No.63373
Anonymous
Replies:>>63377
>>63363
Is Spideranon a host now? I thought he just made the bot for nominations.
No.63377
Anonymous
Replies:>>63378
>>63373
Spideranon's not a host as far as we know, only Balls, Penis, Ghost and NSA, Spider just made a bot for sheets
No.63378
Anonymous
>>63377
Just like AI the bot will advance, slowly but it will And then it will kill us when it develops a mind of its own
No.63379
Anonymous
>>63371
Even if he does Balls is the one who will tell him what characters must qualify and those who don't. Balls was the apprentice but now is the master Ball.
No.63381
Anonymous
I think some of you guys are putting too much faith into what Balls can do way too early, although it's an improvement over having NSA be the one rulefagging.
No.63382
Anonymous
>>63381
>having no faith on my hero
Run.
No.63383
Anonymous
>>63381
He can’t be worse than NSA*.
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>>63381
He's Ballnough
No.63394
Anonymous
>>63315
>>63316
Unless that means he's now an illegitimate host that we ignore the threads of, that's not a gotcha at all.
>he's the one making all these fuck ups, not the campaigners or their picks
Unfortunately that's usually the case with rigged picks too. One guy ruins it for everyone.