/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

I hope G.I Joe characters qualify this year.

>>224902
I can see them getting a boost thanks to the comics and EU getting an adaptation.
Who would make it though?

We need to bring in Black Hand more often to start verifying and vetting posts.

>>224905
It'd be admitting some faggot no life retard unironically tanked this board's quality single-handedly and most of the blame falls on anon's reactions and boogeymanning about him.

>>224907
If you have nothing to hide and have done nothing, you wouldn't be afraid to have your post checked.

>>224910
Meh, this gets used way too much to dunk on people, I think jannies just got bored of it. We need to switch up our shit posts every once in a while.

>>224910
Who is exactly "he" in this situation? What is this from?

>>224918
Dunking on one of iCuck's 7,000 bait posts:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/152506986/#q152512487

>>224921
But icuck hates Marvel. Also most of the other posts deleted were blatant troll posts by the other chaosfag. I think you just caught up in the jannies's broom.

>>224923
Maybe, lol.

>>224903
I don't remember any of the heroes being memorable other than the villain

>>224951
Snake Eyes?

>>224911
>If you have nothing to hide and have done nothing, you wouldn't be afraid to submit your government ID.

>>224902
Fenslerfilm GI Joe PSA 05 - ice

>>224958
88 TEETH?!

>>224975
HAMMERHEAD?!

Wouldn't it be funny if Gaslight District, Knights of Guinevere and even Gameoververse started halving support from Circus now that Glitchfags have more to choose from.

>Our GODDESS Frankie (and Wuya I guess) is returning to streaming
>Raven already has that Amazon money and Fang is still in WB's good graces
>Duck Dodgers is one of the returning shows
Potential foreshadowing?

>>224977
I don't think any of Glitch's upcoming shows scratch that autism itch that TADC does. Maybe Gameoverse will come close. Mel didn't come close to qualifying, but if Gaslight and KoG have their second episodes out by then I can see a few making it in. Mel, Gwen, maybe Frankie?

>>224982
Well probably have ADC hard carry Glitch again, especially if the generation wars still happen.

>>224981
Frankie, my OBESE all-star...

>>224984
She is FIT and HEALTHY from having to carry both Foster's and the tournament on her back.

>>224982
Frankie Spanky is absolutely making it in as the highest seeded newcomer.

>>224985
NO....NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

>>224986
Doubtful, especially when the loli did better in barred.

If KoG's second episode drops over the summer and /co/ likes it enough (and they continue to like the show) I can see it playing out like this:
>Gwen
Probably going to be the strongest once more episodes come out. There being multiple Gwens will allow her to check off a lot of boxes for people on top of her already appealing design + whatever conflict 'ours' has with the others could make her an interesting character.
>Olivia
Overall huge missed opportunity. I don't think we're going to see enough of her child self to get her further than round 1.
>Frankie
I admire her fans' devotion but I don't see her going far. Too many people are gonna look at her and hear Dana made her and assume she's a trans lesbian.
>Andi
Ok I don't dislike Andi but nobody talks about her.
Remembering that these characters are working against /co/'s dislike for Dana and attitude that Glitch makes shows for zoomers (even though Dana's a millennial and the show is firmly aimed at adults), I don't see any of them doing well. But if /co/ likes the show well enough I think they could do better than TOH characters at least.

>>224977
Murder Drones was a R1 jobber series, and Metarunner AND Sunset Paradise never even qualified

>>224990
>Too many people are gonna look at her and hear Dana made her and assume she's a trans lesbian
Wasn't it literally the opposite, she didn't and Bluesky tried to cancel her

>>224984
>>224985
>>224987
>Fatfags will never survive Round 1 in Playgirl
>No fatfag will ever qualify again in Playboy
>Cheesecake will never qualify in Ms. /co/
>No fatties will get far in Ms. /aco/
>Vizielard will never win on a main board
>Inflation animation will never get into Tag Team
>Pyrocynical will never be whitelisted onto /v/
>/tv/ tournament will never happen thus Brosnan will stay dead
Read the list fatfags. You will never accomplish anything

>>224992
Yeah but not everyone knows that.

On a scale of 0.0 (literal who dud) to 10 (MLP) how powerful is TADC?

>>224996
7.5 now, 8.5 historically.

You tend to start getting crackdowns and shadow bans if you get much higher. Homestuck was a 9.5 at it's peak and it got soft-banned for years

>>224997
I'm really glad that vtubers were never eligible for these because that shit when it first blew up was a 9 at the lowest.

>>224996
If we put something like Loud House at a 2-3, MD and Owl House at a 5, and the barrier to overcoming zoomer spite in chan tourneys at a 6, then put SU at a 6.5, I'd give TADC a solid 8.

>>224992
Yes, but they got angry to begin with because it's mostly trannies that care about this character.

>Kim Possible's VA has cancer.
Fuck and right after James Van Der Beek died.

>>224998
Inb4 someone tries to start a /vt/ tournament

>>224997
I think it is wild that /co/ has changed so much the past several years that Homestuck General is openly allowed again

>>225005
>I think it is wild that /co/ has changed so much the past several years
Generals have always been allowed, you just can't call them that.

>>225006
No before a bunch of mods quit Homestuck threads usually got shot down. HS at it's peak was probably second only to mlp in how board encompassing it was.

>>225007
Death Battle threads have stayed up for years despite having long since metasized into cancer and are barely even on topic anymore. I think HS fans have skill issue.

>>225008
No, it's just that Homestuck threads were deleted left and right because up until The Hack, there was some rogue mod that made sure it was impossible to have any discussion about it.

>>225009
So skill issue.

>>225010
>off-season tourney threads stopped being deleted at the same time Homestuck General stopped being deleted
HMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>225011
Now that's a real thinker.

So the guy who hated Homestuck was also the one fucking over tournaments?

Huh.

>>225013
Probably wasn't one of the schizos but probably the reason tournaments had to keep rigid rules and why tag team was banished.

Well, Tag Team is back, and just in time for it's 8th year and All-Stars.

>>225016
Tag Team was unironically better off here.

Should we host it on the Anniversary date (December 17th?)

>>225018
Won't that overlap with King?

>>225021
Also (maybe people forgot) there's King m/v/p probably in Jan. Might have to be some major schedule shifting.

>>225026
Oh yeah, Christmas is around that time.

>>225016
I'd say it was better here considering we don't have to deal with the same ragebaiter all the time (BBC spam, cuck dads, buzzwords and buzzwords) but at least we will have Coayynon and not some random who wanted to turn a shittypost thread into a tournament like Rusty. Maybe by then Samaritanon will also contribute for Tag-team officially back in /co/ and just in time for Tag-team All-Stars. unless it turns out that mod was on vacation and fucks us over when he returns and sees us trying to run Tag-team

>tfw ATF was stats anon all this time

>>225019
>ATF
>NSA
They aren’t even trying to hide it.

Can you post the logs? I thought Temp never released them

>>225038
Wouldn't that just be funny?

Friend inside me

>>224993
Fang won tho

>>225082
Spear is fatter even as a zombie

Kim Possible may be the biggest disparity of performance to expectation there is in tourneys. She's got a super impressive history:
>semifinalist inaugural year and 2020
>E8 2024 (one of the handful of 3x E8)
>only ever lost prior to E8 to Raven (3x E8 and eventual winner) and EVE (2x E8)
Yet she's got no hype and is basically seen as a shoe-in jobber playing third tier to the potential winners of next Ms /co/.

>>225102
Kim feels like one of the most normal of the perennial powerhouses. She's hot but not a blatant sexpot, is fairly straightlaced with no crazy personality quirks, and has no real gimmicks or hooks. Even Frankie, who's also fairly normal, has the "cool older girl you had a crush on as a kid" hook. I guess Kim has the "hot and nice overachieving cheerleader" thing, and the secret agent thing is cool, but I don't know how much those things inspire passion for her over other characters with stronger hooks, like Shego, from the same series, who has bad girl appeal.

Not that Kim is bad. I like her and obviously most people do in general, but like her theme song says, she's a basic, average girl... at least in comparison to a lot of the competition. She can stand out among the top but has a harder time standing out among the top of the top. I could see her winning before Shego though.

>>225102
>>225104
She lack "aura" is how I'd put it. Chel is in much the same place. They hit the sweetspot demographic and everyone knows them and sort of likes them/their media or cooms to them enough to be universal but they don't inspire champion material sentiment. So they end up the texbook powerjobbers.

>>225089
Her supporters are fatfagd

>gooseworx melting the fuck down because he got criticized
Lmao

>>225124
Unless the ending is really bad this'll blow over by September, and nobody has a problem with Pomni. Jax's dead odds are somehow even deader though.

>>225124
>>225125
The guy's specific approach to making a show and managing a fanbase was conducive to that fanbase going batshit insane, not just because the show's direction is very "fandomy" and even downright childish, but also due to the constant public statements about his creative intent.

Man does it feel good to like TADC without ever engaging with the fanbase for it, only ever peeking in on /co/ threads because there's a juicy cropped porn OP at most.

>>225124
Wow. That is genuinely unexpected coming from the worx.

>>225082
>>225108
She's all muscle

>>225125
Nothing will ever change where Jax is now. He's created to pander to a demographic that doesn't vote in tournaments (anymore); Goose admitting Jax was his favorite character sealed his fate before it even started.
The only questions I have now are: Will Ragatha's chances be affected next year and will Jax get another scat campaign despite not qualifying?

>>225132
>Will Ragatha's chances be affected next year and will Jax get another scat campaign despite not qualifying?
We're not gonna know until we see how Pomni performs this year. Goose effectively shooting herself in the foot and revealing that the show has been a deeply buried under subtext romance all along could sour the show for /co/. But unless Pomni is especially stupid or badly handled in the next episode(s?), I don't think /co/ will really turn on her.

When TADC came out I was calling it the autistic digital circus. Little did I know how bad it would get.

That's two Glitch shows that have been wrapped up in weird fandom drama. Arin Hanson basically foreshadows a third one happening. Anybody check on Liam?

>>225135
>Two shows wrapped in drama
>One just got repeatedly raped in the tourneys
>Arin Hanson involved
This is why zoomers need to stop making things.

>>225136
But all of these creators are millennials.

>>225135
>>225136
Can we really say KoG is embroiled in drama the way TADC is? The Frankie thing died down after like a week.

>>225138
It would be more accurate to say that it's a sign of things to come on the scale of the TADC thing than truly dire. Having the worst aspects of the OH fandom and Glitch autism is not a good mix.

>>225139
But we should consider that KoG probably isn't going to have its own Jax (a male character who takes away attention from the female characters and is Dana's self-confessed favorite).

>>225140
Dunno, TOH managed to have a Hunter despite not being the favorite so anything is possible.

Funnily Jax was probably my favorite character the first few eps. I like that a characters just a psycho asshole in the circumstances. But when he got put in the maid uniform I knew something was up.

Pomni getting her own drama (and Jax) just completes the trifecta.

Are there ANY high profile characters going into 2026 without a show drama or character drama or sick actor or something?

>>225102
She got the incest falseflagger and is otherwise one of the last silent powerhouses alongside Shego and Helen Parr

>>225144
I was gonna say ENA, but then I remembered all the people calling her /v/ adjacent because she's better known for the game now.

I guess Jucika, Eve, and Azula are the cleanest girls with any semblance of power. Out of those three I'd favor Jucika though Azula could easily end her fraud streak with some support

>>225146
Jucika seems to have the Joahanna problem of people considering her not worthy, and EVE has the Fang problem of not being humanoid not to mention a robot already won.

Unironically Avatar fans should go all in on Azula, the competition is unusually weakened due to IRL events and good timing and nobody's spite voting her with how much her reputation is in the toilet. With a strong campaign she could make Top 4.

>>225147
Azula’s main problem may then be cucking Toph out of the win, who might be seen as the better avatar rep. But tbh I think people have just overrated Azula cause she was filler in an acronym.

>>225146
I'm surprised no one is bringing up how all three of Happy ENA's male VAs have been involved in some controversy.

>>225144
Tyr has nothing inherently but voters might not be up for a second Duck Dodgers winner so soon.
Might be a very surprising Ms /co/ year if there is no obvious frontrunner since it seems everyone has some flaw.

>>225144
>>225147
>>225151
Is a sick actor REALLY considered an IRL flaw to hold against a character? She wasn't even officially diagnosed iirc making this really morbid.

>Tyr: Same series curse and super daffy blowback
>Any Adventure Time Girls: Various controversies back to back
>Pomni: Biggest spite target, recent fandom meltdown and controversy
>ENA: Trans allegations, pedo voice actor, /v/ associated now
>Kim: Eternal Curse, Cancer VA, Incestfag
>Eve: a robot already won, a non humanoid already won, NSA ties
>Jucika: Forced allegations and wormyfag
>Azula: Issue of Tophfags fearing she’ll steal the spot


Honestly it’s like the universe itself conspired to do the spiting for us and opened up the playing field. Maybe it’ll be a good year

>>225152
/tnt/ has a lot of problems but that kind of shit is the only thing about it that actually upsets me.

>>225147
>not being humanoid
>problem
People are lame.

>>225152
>>225153
>>225154
Am I crazy for thinking the cancer think isn't gonna have any effect whatsoever and Kim will still lose because it's Kim

>>225153
>Eve: NSA ties
Are you daft? The only ties EVE has to NSA is how some guy made funny OC of her mocking the latter.

>>225156
No, you aren't.

I still think this place is overstimating the blowback Daffy's win will have on Tyr. She's not even really a Looney Tune.

>>225153
Just saying again Jessica Rabbit and Tinkerbell feel like massive latent potential that'll get superbuffed if they finally crack E8.

>>225155
Fang unironically mindbroke people.

>>225157
He's using "cancer va" as an example of "the playing field being evened out". It's beyond daft.

>>225160
Having the Disney label attached is a bigger spite curse than all of those combined

>>225164
Kronk won and Jessica is barely even a Disney character.

>>225153
I don't think any of this stuff really matters. It might decide close matches because out of a thousand voters you can always find at least a few dozen retards who care about such things, but on the whole this stuff is fairly irrelevant. No one who isn't spending the leading 51 weeks of a 1 week event scrutinizing every possibly relevant current event will care.
>Maybe it’ll be a good year
This implies that these overblown controversies are desirable and that these characters having less of a chance somehow makes the tournament good, or at least better than them performing as expected. I disagree with that sentiment. There's no inherent superiority to a dark horse victory beyond trying to force a narrative across multiple tournaments, least of all because the competition got bogged down with forced nonsense that will taint discussion about them. We should be doing less of that stuff, not more.

>>225164
There's "Good Old Disney" and there's "Shitty New Disney". Kronk and Nani are right at the border of the cutoff and the former won while the latter has gotten repeat E8s, the most recent just last year. The animosity toward the mouse as a brand doesn't really extend to the stuff they've made that people actually like.

>>225162
People still rage about her to this very day. I can’t imagine being angry at a fictional character over something as retarded as a 4chan tourney.

>>225168
>Shitty New Disney
When both the movies premiered, they were consider in the era of Shitry New Disney.

>>225170
They were post-Renaissance, but not TRULY shit. Not yet. They were getting there but still had momentum left for stuff like these two movies, Treasure Planet, and Atlantis. This was when the creative engine was petering out but there was still decent creative output among some misses, even if not all of it made money. The utter drought of anything memorable probably started in 2003. This is why I say Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Stitch are on the borderline. I don't think Disney truly crossed fully over into shit until Home on the Range in 2004.

>>225171
Emperor's New Groove was not considered highly at the time of its release, especially with people being more aware of Kingdom of the Sun, with it only getting critical appraisal years later and even then KotS still weighs heavily on people's minds. And if the anti Stitchfag is of any indication, people do consider that film to be a low point.

>>225173
Should make it clear that I'm not trying to shit on these films or their characters. The point I was not so greatly trying to make is that public perception does change over time and different eras scale differently. If these were held ten or even twenty years ago, the results and opinions would be wildly different.

So yeah nobody is spitevoting Jessica Rabbit or Tinkerbell for being Disney, especially in the case of the former.

>>225174
>If these were held ten or even twenty years ago, the results and opinions would be wildly different.
We're almost ten years going at this point. It's kinda peculiar just how few powerhouses the zoomer era has produced. Almost all of them are late 90's/2000's core. Spinel carries a major rigger fotm caveat and Fang is Genndy wank so only TADC legit feels like a newer era toon that did big in tourneys on its own traction. But I'm certain characters like Raven, Toph, Hank ect would've been as well performing as are currently twenty years ago.

>>225176
>Primal not getting its own traction
>it was only Genndy bro, trust
Which is why UWE bombed out harder than drones?
So many times anons here will be close to making a point and then end up tripping over their own biases and or delusions along the way.

>>225177
The distinction wasn't really in the part about getting its own traction but from being a "newer era toon." Genndy is honorary millenial core. Regardless the point is much the same, zoomer toons have been comparatively dimeless in tourneys ten years running now.

>>225179
Is it necessary to put "honorary" here when the point you are making is that it's mostly millennials who watch him.

>>225180
I hate how we're back on that honorary millennial core bullshit regarding Fang. It just ends up giving Gen Z era toons a bigger complex when we already have a new era winner.

>>225165
2019 was the last early installment year before meta and consistent participation was solidified. Kronk was a different era entirely of voters who were more receptive for voting mainline Disney, and that and Pixar struggle harder than acquisitions like Muppets, Star Wars, and Marvel do that are less attached to the parent company and almost seen as screwed by them.
Note Kronk was the last Disney E8 in Mr until Goofy last year, meanwhile Daffy made E8 3x during that span. Many characters alone 2-3x the amount of E8s Disney had this decade.

>>225180
Sure whatever. There’s always too much nitpicking about fucking Fang. Point is the same.

>>225182
All this tells me is that the tournaments are very biased towards Looney Tunes.

>>225184
Do you really believe it is controversial to say classic Looney Tunes are generally funnier and better cartoons than a lot of Disney? Or at least, more visibly appealing to the /co/ voterbase, even classic Disney is comparatively girly in comparison.
And I think Donald and Scrooge should have made E8 a while ago already, by the way.

>>225185
>even classic Disney is comparatively girly in comparison.
How is that a problem when /co/ is one of the girliest boards outside of /mlp/ (which is helped spawn)?

>>225184
Eh, Samurai Jack and Hank also 3x during that period (if you include 2019 Hank 4x) and Spongebob had 5 Elite 8s including multiple 2x. Number of others had 2x as well
They just seem to hit that sweet spot of notable early 2000s /co/ media nostalgia more than Disney did, outside TENG. Same reason in Ms the only Disney characters who ever got anywhere are from Kim Possible & Lilo and Stitch

Truth be told is that if mainline Disney doesn't perform too well in these tournaments (all while still having a winners and E8s), it has more to do with demographic appeal/a matter of taste and a lot less than with corpo fighting.

>>225187
Well as mentioned, Disney wasn't in the best place in the first half of the 2000s so it makes sense. I'm honestly surprised that John Silver gained any kind of notoriety while Atlantis still gets nothing.

>>225186
You are just describing nerds with a porn addiction. That's like asking why so-called otaku moefags and lolicons care about K-On and Popotan but don't tend to have the same fixation on mahou shoujou and josei stuff.

>>225190
You have a point with josei for the same reason most seinen wouldn't do well but mahou shojo are staples of otaku.

>>225191
All of these are otaku staples in one way or other, they just appeal to different demographics. If you are thinking of examples like PMMM or Alien Nine, they appeal to lolicons because they were made by and for lolicons.

>>225192
Actually I was thinking in terms of the Sentai types like Sailor Moon and Pretty Cure but you make a good point about different demographics.

>>225176
>It's kinda peculiar just how few powerhouses the zoomer era has produced.
Not that peculiar when old good new bad has been around for decades; if anyone remembers how the Avatar and its fans were regarded in the day, Toph for sure wouldn't be doing as well. Marceline is already showing subtle shifts in demographic changes.
What's strange to me is how the rest of the 90s doesn't do better given how that era as a whole is praised to hell and back.

>>225189
Atlantis is perplexing, it has everything you would think /co/ would like
>Early 2000s production
>Failure, so it has huge cult following cred and Disney distancing from it
>Very non-disney style and worldbuilding
>Very man-targeted action/adventure
And yet
>Milo qualifies exactly once, in 2018 with all the odd one-offs
>Kida never qualifies
I would have thought Milo and Kida would at least have been Round 1 jobber regulars

>>225189
>I'm honestly surprised that John Silver gained any kind of notoriety while Atlantis still gets nothing.
Treasure Planet is one of the few animated Disney films made with a male viewership in mind and is fondly remembered despite bombing and being not-so-faithful to the book + Silver is associated with an infamous /co/ thread and other related memes
and last but not least because Silver had someone actually trying, I don't think I have ever seen anyone campaign for Atlantis.

>>225194
I don't think Marceline is truly indicative of anything when she was shy of making E8 as early as 2018. Hell, it will soon be a decade since the first iteration of AT officially ENDED. This "vibe shift" should have already taken place and as a zoom zoom who grew up watching AT it's been years since I last cared about it.
>if anyone remembers how the Avatar and its fans were regarded in the day
Do you really want to put this premise forward when TADC is right there?

>>225197
Do you not understand "in the day" zoom zoom?

>Gen Z are the ones pushing the generation shitflinging in the tournaments
That's a shocker.

>>225199
And do you understand that an equally popular and annoying fanbase hasn't deterred the series in question fron doing well?

>>225197
>>225201
Do you really want to put this premise forward when Owl House and Murder Drones are also right there?

>>225202
I just don't cope about it and admit those simply aren't popular and /co/ in general doesn't like them.

>>225202
Murder Drones is a niche series that pulls way above its weight in performance by just qualifying
Owl House is hated for being a poor written series, not the fandom

>>225203
I'll give you that /co/ doesn't like them but saying they aren't popular sounds like cope itself.

>>225197
>This "vibe shift" should have already taken place
The rule of nostalgia is usually 20 years. This is why a hypothetical 2006 was brought up; the demographics were so vastly different that there's no guarantee that Avatar would do good in a tournament back then. To put it in perspective, comics would legitimately give cartoons competition.

Bringing up a present day cartoon to prove that Avatar would always do good misses the point.

>>225206
Yeah, sure, whatever, yadda yadda… but Avatar didn’t need 20 years to start doing well.
I think all of this is just a cope because some millennial loretoon fans here really want their shows to do well eventually and be vindicated as Legiti Good, when the audience is just not really there.
If TADC doesn't need to wait 20 years, then why stuff like OH or Amphibia does?

>>225207
>I think all of this is just a cope because some millennial loretoon fans
I thought it was the zoomers, now it's a millennial thing?

>>225208
Think about it for a second, why would the zoomers be the ones hoping for a demographic shift when they are the shift in question?

>>225207
>but Avatar didn’t need 20 years to start doing well.
Can you really say Avatar as a whole does well when it's just Toph and even then she's had dry spells? None of the Avatar guys do good and Azula was outed as a fraud. TADC has a better track record ATLA.

>>225209
…Because zoomer shows are the ones that do the worst you fucking retard. Millennial shows are the 90s and 2000s shows that dominate.

>>225211
Have you considered for a moment a majority of /co/ zoomers just don't indulge in those zoomer shows?

I've seen we've reached the "if you're pick doesn't do well in this random contest, it's not popular or well liked" stage of tourney discussion.

>>225212
Now this is beyond cope.

>>225210
Top has x3 E8, Azula and Uncle Iroh are x1 E8 but otherwise midcards, and other characters like Zuko almost always qualify but aren’t really seen as winner material. That's far from "a worse track record than TADC", but then again I wasn't the one brought the Avatar connection to the table.

>>225213
>if you're
But yes, these are popularity contests first and foremost. If many of these characters cannot do well despite being subjected to a lot of meta discussion it probably has a lot to do with not being generally well received on the board.

>>225216
>I see you made a grammar error there
I fucking hate zoom zooms.

Also these stopped being popularity contests a long time ago and are just tourneyfag circlejerks. There are well liked series and characters that don't well because something like meta even exists.

>>225218
So you admit it's mostly millennials who like these shows the ones going on about a supposed demographic shift on /co/?

>>225219
How the fuck did you glean that from the post?

>>225216
>>225218
Attitudes like this are why less and less people want to be involved with tournaments btw.

>>225220
>I fucking hate zoom zooms
Hm!

>>225222
That's a big leap in logic.

>>225221
Man, is it really so much to ask for some tourneyfags to stop coping about the reason why some of their series don't do as well as they wish they did?

>>225224
It's tourneyfags like you that scare off the natives of the board actually. This was demonstrably proven with Capeshit after cap.

>>225225
>the reason zoomer toons don't do well is cuz board natives have been driven away from the tourneys
Please, just stick to a concrete narrative already.

>>225226
You realize that more than one person is talking to you, right?

If millennials supposedly like shit like Owl House and Amphibia then what the fuck even counts as zoomer toons at this point?

>>225226
I mean that seems pretty concrete? If your favorite shows get a hostile reaction from other voters and campaigners and people try to demoralize you, no shit they would rather just stick to their generals. I think TADC is the rare exception due to being able to match tourney autism tit for tat.

>>225229
Where have I attempted to demoralize anyone? If anything, being honest about the reception towards something is better than making up a fantasy where a series finding success in the tournaments is just a matter of time and hoping the userbase changes.

>>225230
>Where have I attempted to demoralize anyone?
I was talking about in the actual tournaments and how people are poor sports. Jesus Christ dude no one was pointing any fingers at you, get a grip.

>>225231
>no one was pointing any fingers at you
>>225225
>It's tourneyfags like you
Meh.

>>225232
I don't necessarily disagree with this, but my point is that the demographic shift already took place and I don't see people changing their tune on loretoons. Some of you guys have been parroting this since late 2023, geez.

>>225233
>Meh.
That was my post and that wasn't aimed at you specifically but shit attitudes like yours are a problem in bringing down the atmosphere.

>>225233
>>225234
The shit I was talking about is stuff like how Amity and her campaigner were getting trashed by that one Enidfag. Don't know what you two are referencing but if you're not doing that, okay.

>>225234
Quit acting so defensive over me calling unpopular shows /co/ doesn't really like for what they are. I haven't even said they are terrible or whatever, but this is not a hug box either way.

>>225233
>geez
Ech. Also a loretoon already won the second ms. If you're talking about Amphibia and Owl House then the shift hasn't happened yet; neither are even a decade old yet and are still considered the new thing that's cool to hate on.

>>225235
Trashing specific people over harmlessly expressing support for something (no matter to what extent you may think it's shitty or loathsome) is wrong, of course. That's not the same as stating "this doesn't do well because most people don't it like and that's not magically gonna change" in a conversation about why these cartoons don't do well, for the umpteenth time.

>>225236
You're the only one acting defensive over people disagreeing with you. If this isn't a hug box, you wouldn't have a stick up your ass over differing opinions.

>>225237
>neither are even a decade old yet and are still considered the new thing that's cool to hate on
See, my problem is how some of you guys seem delusional about this and are fully convinced Amphibia and Owl House fail because of contrarianism and there not being enough zoomers/alphoomers (?) voting, not because they are just organically unpopular next to TADC or ENA.

>>225241
>ENA
See this is where you are delusional. ENA is nowhere popular as any DTVA slop, let alone TADC; in fact, I see ENA more in tournaments than I do on the board. That's what I would use to show that the tournaments aren't completely in tune with their board.

>>225243
You are the delusional "you guys" being talked about.

>>225245
Anon I was joking lol. The point is everyone has their own idea of what a zoomer show is that probably doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

>>225246
>It was just a joke bro.

>>225240
Not really, but it is kinda sad to see the same cope get repeated over and over again.
It's one thing to admit the characters you support are not popular enough but you will still keep at it, it's another to insist "hehe, just you guys wait until people who were young when these were airing start voting" (they already do). It's giving smug Murder Drones fags, and people here used to mock the shit out of them.

>>225247
Yes? Did you really think anyone using a picture of Dale Gribble arguing that the only good winners are from 30+ years ago was being sincere?

>>225244
>ENA is nowhere popular as any DTVA slop
Really? It for sure is not as ubiquitous as TADC's "one bump limit thread per day" traction, but /co/ has talked about it plenty and I see the character brought up frequently, be it through reaction images or fanart.
>>225249
Half this thread has descended into turning the opposition into a strawman for some reason.

>>225249
Did you think your cope is any effective?

>>225253
My cope for what? I don't have any problem with newer cartoons doing well in the tourneys.

>>225252
The dude you're replying to is the one turning the opposition into a strawman.

>>225251
> just discussing a hypothetical and want them to do incrementally better?
Because I don't believe the premise the hypothetical is based upon is accurate to begin with. These shows don't perform badly because of "new thing BAD, old thing GOOD" psychosis,
Once again, if TADC can do it, why not these?

>>225252
I legitimately see Disney shit get posted more. I didn't even know who she was before the tournaments and can honestly say this things introduced me to something new.

>>225255
I was genuinely just joking and trying to make fun of how there's no solid definition of a zoomer cartoon. It's fine if you didn't find it funny.

>>225254
Newer cartoons don't do good. That is the cope.

>>225258
It wasn't accurate to begin with.

>>225260
Yes, that's the joke I was making.

>>225259
Yeah they don't. I also don't mind if they do well.

>>225206
There was a cartoon tournament in 2017 we could use as compariwson

You all smell that? I just farted.

>>225268
:(

>>225204
>qualifying and then getting stomped by low seeds is “pulling above their weight”
So over the years MD went from “inevitable high tier performers” to “well they qualified, that’s impressive!” and now they don’t qualify at all.
/tnt/ just can’t help itself but to revise history and cope can it?
This place will call consistent high tiers jobbers and then say this shit. If we are praising merely qualifying now then we should never make fun of a performance ever again. And I know that this praise only applies to series said anon likes, just pointing out the double standard.

>>225204
>Murder Drones is a niche series that pulls way above its weight in performance by just qualifying
Cause it's technically indie while OH was Disney backed? It got even more millions of YT views than OH, was super popular for a series on /co/ to the point it needed its own board on the off-site, plus getting more tourney OC and fandom self-hyping than probably any series ever. This is some major copium.

>losing to lapis in a 60/40 landslide is pulling above their weight now

>>225270
>>225271
>>225272
Someone post the greentext screencap, the one with the Nfag gloating.

>>225271
Also MD absolutely did get hate for fandom, especially in a tourney context. Remember all the seethe and arguing in 23/24 over them basically having too much presence/ovrestaying or generally just being annoying and shit? Arguing about MD would take over entire off-season threads lol.

>>225241
Biggest odd indicator to me is the disparity with how Gravity Falls and Star Vs (before the finale) were received board-wide vs. Amphibia and Owl House. Like the former two are the same beansart style, humor, people, studio, even arguably continuity as the latter two and not really better shows quality-wise yet got a far fairer overall treatment from the board, had better early tourney performances, and don't get derogatorily lumped in automatically as "DTVA." You can't really say it's a quirky fem protag thing either cause Star was that. Maybe the gayness of OH was too much especially for when it came out but Amphibia at least is as good as the best of GF and Star, but even at it's very peak and with heavy campaigning it somehow got bodied in tourneys (Anne fucking R1 loss to Peppermint Patty in 2022 lmao). To me there's just a major shift in how newer zoomer media, especially from the mouse, is perceived once the twitter screencap political brainrot era fully took over.

>>225274
I think MDfags staying to circlejerk long after they got wiped out absolutely played a role in their performance from then on. Anons are far less likely to give something new a chance when the fans keep circlejerking themselves for like four rounds after they lost. And then anyone who tried to tell them this was labeled a poopdickschizo so they learned nothing.

>>225274
>>225277
It’s been fascinating to watch the evolution of their coping. Anything to avoid taking responsibility for their behavior. Much easier to blame everything on an imaginary schizo then to actually accept fault.

>>225270
If MD performances is "pulling above their weight" then Jucika must be on some dbs powerlevel compared to everyone else.

>>225279
2022 Fang is every single higher power combined.

>>225241
People forget the simplest aspect:
These are largely still waifu tournaments with some extra meta. Normal people are repulsed at the idea of sexualizing children to not vote for them, and many are annoyed with how obnoxious the vocal minority of lolifags on the board are. TADC, Marcelene, etc are adults so face no barrier there
>But Toph
Besides the nostalgiafag legacy there is a reason she gets blown out by characters like Raven

>>225281
Pomni is some midget noodly looking clown girl tho.

>>225280
Fang is from a corpo studio and a 2000's legendary director so it's actually not that impressive. Jucika is from an obscure magazine, a comic strip, from Hungaria, sixty years ago, and was only fairly recently unearthed and gained a cult following in /co/. Not only is she not just an R1 jobber but is a 2x E8 and finalist who beat bitches like Tyr'ahnee Kim Possible. p4p the stronkest character in /co/ ever and it's not even close.

>>225283
>a literal dinosaur who’s worst performance was 3rd place and dominated even other massive powerhouses isn’t impressive

>>225284
Anon I don't think you're following the joke.

Personally I never saw Fang being a dino as a debuff. It actually encouraged the hype cause of novelty/meme/anit-coom/subversion.

>>225287
>anti-coom
Have you seen her biggest supporters?

>Accidentally sparked a huge argument
I was pretty much just trying to counter the argument this was purely a Pomni Vs Ty’ranhee year and that Tyr was fucked over.

We’ve got like 9 girls who could be considered powerhouses and most of them have some sort of crap going on that anons can fling around. Calm down about the fear mongering

>>225289
>Calm down about the fear mongering
The shit that anons can fling at the girls IS fearmongering and was pretty much debunked as baseless as one anon pointed out. That isn’t even what sparked the argument wth.

>>225288
Speaking of talking points that have been done to death, he's just trotting out the same complaints people have had about Fang since 2022.

>>225288
You fags keep flip flopping on Fang being coom or not.

>>225294
Multiple anons say different things from one another? Woah.
>>225293
Will people ever get over her? The got their way in all stars and kept freaking out about her after that.

>>225276
Thank you, this is a far more nuanced take I was looking for as to why these shows in particular don't seem to have taken off in the tourneys.

>>225295
>Multiple anons say different things from one another?
I mean it's an annoying point of discussion from Fang supporters over the years cause whether or not she had coomvote behind her seems to become dependent on what's being argued. She was an anti-coom vote? No she totally had tons of dinolust behind her, look at the threads. She was a coom vote then? No it was totally ironic/not real, you're retarded for thinking that.
I think, practically speaking, she was obviously not a coom vote outside of mostly irony and had feral dino novelty in a "waifu tournament" driving her hype a lot. I don't think it's ever been a big leap to admit that.

>>225298
I haven't really seen her supporters say it was all ironic.

>>225298
>fang was all ironic!
You ever notice that the people who say that aren’t fang supporters, but people like (you)? What you’re doing amounts to calling someone a hypocrite because someone who disagrees with them said something that doesn’t align with the original person. To put it in simple terms for you
Fang supporter:
>I legitimately love her show and her character
Anti Fang:
>All the support is ironic
You:
>Those don’t align, make up your minds fangfags!

I shouldn’t be surprised, you guys have been crying about her for almost four years now. Six if you started in 2020.

>>225300
It's talking about Fang being coom, anon. You're saying Fang was in fact a sexo pick from her legit fans standpoint then?
Also irony and support for show and character in themselves is a different thing and I'd never deny she is mainly driven because Primal is huge and loved and the character is seen as cool and compelling. Of course Fang has legit support. But I'd always say that there was a strong element of irony hype that went beyond the core fans which feels obvious and even bringing that up sends things into a spiral. The initial spark was simply stating being a dino wasn't really a debuff in meta context >>225287

I just wish EVE wasn't caught up in the Fang drama. Every time she loses in the tournament you have someone going "Ha ha anti coomers btfo!"

>>225301
>But I'd always say that there was a strong element of irony hype that went beyond the core fans which feels obvious and even bringing that up sends things into a spiral.
From where I stand, it comes off as a backhanded way to downplay her genuine supporters which they don't take kindly to, not helped by Fang is the only one that gets this. Like was it really necessary to add all that stuff after debuff?

>>225276
>>225281
>millennial cope
>>225300
>fangfag cope

>>225302
It's worth pointing out EVE never got lumped with these things up until 2023.

>>225304
>2020 plus 6
>still crying that epic loli got BTFOd by based dinosaur mom

>>225303
>it comes off as a backhanded way to downplay her genuine supporters
Whatevs anon. Imagine if you were one of the Spinel or Wuya supporters instead.
>Like was it really necessary to add all that stuff after debuff?
To explain why yes.

>>225305
Can you blame them for being paranoid after 2023?

>>225306
*

>>225306
Whatevs anon. You couldn't stop traditional waifus from winning and you never will.

>>225307
>Whatevs anon. Imagine if you were one of the Spinel or Wuya supporters instead.
The hell does that have to do anything?
>To explain why yes.
The dinosaur debuff not being a debuff gets the point across. Again it comes across as a backhanded way of saying she is just a ironic, anti coomer novelty winner.

I get autism is a hell of a drug, but I cannot figure out how people can hold grudges against characters and their shows because of things that happen in 4chan popularity contests. It absolutely shouldn’t mean the world to you for a fictional character to win a poll that I doubt most votes are legitimate. It’s one thing to meme but when it proceeds into actual obsession and derangement there’s an issue.
>>225309
Have you tried finding a non tourney hobby? It might actually help you be a better person.

>225306
Amphibia lost.
Owl House lost.
Knights of Guinevere will lose.

>>225310
Oh hey you’re that guy! You gotta stop being so obvious. Try keeping that mask on next time.
Wafflespancakestweet.jpg.

>>225312
>unironically going "We must be better men".

>>225313
>>225310
>responding with unrelated bullshit
I cannot believe you people are mindbroken this badly.

>>225315
If you’re still angry about things like spinel almost a decade later you have an issue

>>225308
EVE had already been a decent performer before, anon.
Not to mention if you actually grew up in the 2010s Internet, seeing waifu and/or gijinka fanart of EVE was far from a rarity. There's nothing ironic about liking her.

>make statement
>people make counterpoints
>devolves into sperging about people hating traditional waifus almost immediately
Over and over again forever.

>>225313
I don’t like any of those things anon. Try harder next time.

>>225311
>The hell does that have to do anything?
You complaining when critiques can be far worse. Everyone gets scrutiny in tourneys.
>The dinosaur debuff not being a debuff gets the point across
Does it really.
>just a ironic, anti coomer novelty winner.
I always avoid total language. I said encouraged the hype.
This >>225310 is the residential strawman nigger imitating me and pissing on the conversation btw.

>>225322
It's another fangnigger deliberately trying to piss on the conversation
>>225314
>>225316
>>225319
All within a minute of each other
Imitation is not the sincerest form of flattery

>>225322
>you should put up with unfair criticism because it can be worse
>Fang winner is on par with actual rigged winners
Seriously?

I’d be surprised if more than 50% of tourney votes in recent years are legit. Traffic keeps slowing but vote counts keep rising to more absurd levels.

I don't think I've ever seen Jenny, Raven or Frankie get much in the way of criticism. Even the worst Betty has gotten was just being called bland.

>the residential shit stirrer is part of the Fang Gang
That was a turn I didn't see.