/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

The boring answer is to just do a final ranking of the first eight winners in each tournament. Basically the usual 5th-8th votes, except that it's for all eight positions.

No point if Jenny and Johnny are probably going to win this.

>>177807
This would be interesting only if the Ms. one was about voting for the worst instead of the best.

>>177814
I mean that's basically what could be done with a traditional QF kind of round with 5-8th ranking determining the losers.

>>177813
Yeah Jenny sweeps the girl's side, no contest
Johhny probably too, but I will say I'm a huge fan of both Tom and Kronk

>>177910
Tom or Kronk would be neat, I agree, though Johnny is already one of the most OP characters in tournament history, he was the only human that stood a chance in Playboy.

Also two more Tag Tournaments until they get their own all star lineup. The winner for the hypothetical tournament would probably be down to either Freelance Police or Mystery Inc., Cognito is definitely getting fucked.

Honestly don’t do a tourney, just do a poll on a form either next year or in 26 to rank the winners

What's the chances ms. this year has a really fucking awesome winner that is agreed by most to surpass even Jenny?

>>177948
Raven and Toph are both coming back this year.

>>177949
>>177948
Raven, Toph, and maybe Eris and Jessia Rabbit are the only one's I can think of that maybe could be widely agreeable on that level, but it'd depend on them getting a big quality campaign and not silent majoonering into finals. I'd add Chel but I get the feeling even if she did get a big campaign she's carrying too much baggage the the big bad silent rep at this point.

>>177950
Toph has almost always had at least decently active campaigns but there was that unfortunate 2020-2023 jobbing streak that really threw her off. Luckily I think she's killed her jobber status for good after 2023, so I have high hopes she can finally make it this year as she would easily surpass Jenny for me as the best possible Nicktoons winner, let alone best Ms. Winner.
>(Chel) is carrying too much baggage as the big bad silent rep at this point.
You have to remember Frankie had that exact same reputation going into 2024 and she completely flipped it around. If she gets a good campaign like Frankie had with her drawfags I can see her pulling off a win

Frieza is gay

A side tourney would be fun but it would probably be relegated to here and not /co/. Better off just doing a ranked vote maybe during the 2025 after party

My suggestion is make it a /tnt/ thing friday after Mr. /co/. Have it be split, one side of the bracket female, one side male, crown the super champ for each gender and then maybe an ultra monarch with the two super champs or something.

>>177956
That’s a dumb idea, I’d rather /co/ be able to vote on something like this rather than just confirming the circlejerks we have on here. They won Mr and Ms /co/ not Mr and Ms /tnt/

>>177957
Adding to this: /co/ and /tnt/ have VERY different tastes and thus the results would be vastly different based on which board it’s hosted on. Remember when we swore brisby would sweep last year?

>>177957
I think that's just what's most practical if it's gonna be a normal tourney format and not a single round poll in the afterparty.

>>177960
Then we should just have an afterparty poll, not everything has to be a big tourney

>>177957
This is a big reason why I was pushing for >>177812. It's not only cut and dry, but you can absolutely fit that onto the end of each major tournament.

>>177812
I agree with this

If it's not a tourney and just a side poll I wouldn't be shocked if Spinel or Fang end up as one of the best performers just for the contrarian factor. Remember Battler swept the 4-way king loser's bracket because he had "Crown Steal" behind him while the not-Shitposting crowd couldn't decide whether to rally behind Wario, Peppino or Jacket since all are well-liked vidya guys

>>177961
A poll's kind of lame. A big part of this (for me at least) was having the winners back in a tourney format again and having them go head to head directly in this retrospective context.

>>177970
I'd much rather have a nice cut and dry poll that is ACTUALLY ON /co/. Because if it's /tnt/ all we get is a small portion of the voterbase with, as I said, a drastically different taste than the actual board.

https://strawpoll.com/PKgleVRG1Zp

>>177972
Neither.

>>177972
Do the "final ranking" on /co/ itself. If anons really want a full 16 all-star tournament, then just do it off-season. That seems like the best compromise.

>>177971
It can somewhat helped by advertising it a bunch and encouraging anon's to participate here.

>>177951
>Easily surpass Jenny
I like Toph but no.

>>177951
/co/ is a lot more forgiving that I can see Chel avoiding being another Tifa situation.

>>177951
/tnt/ stop being delusional challenge: Impossible

>>178016
There's nothing really delusional about that particular post though.

>>178018
>Toph would easily surpass Jenny as the favorite winner

>>177951
>>178019
I don't know about "easily surpass" but I think she'd easily be 2nd best all things considered. I can't really think of anyone that would, in a board-wide agreeable sense, be regarded as easily surpassing Jenny. Same as looking for someone that would easily surpass Bravo, Armstrong, or Samus. They're inaugurals for a reason.

>>178019
Yeah? I can see it.

long shot prediction that either betty or monarch ends up in last and is forever mocked for being less popular than spinel, fang, and wuya

>>178017
I'm a bit surprised at people putting Fang so low in predictions. Meta stuff only tourneyfags here know in-depth aside she still has a novelty factor and Primal is still a /co/ favorite, and her run was the hypest in /co/ tourney history. When she won it felt like she could take on every other winner. I can see her getting upper half at least.

>>178026
Idk, maybe it’s the constant hate she gets but I don’t like her odds. I’d be happy with 6th, as long as it’s not last or second to last.

>>178026
Fang is a King /v/ winner for Ms /co/ if King /v/ could pick better winners

>>178029
I can't see anyone ranking lower than Spinel and Wuya unless this year's winner is rancid somehow. They seem like solid 8th and 7th placers.

>>178020
Dante is tough competition for Armstrong, but I feel Armstrong has the advantage of feeling like more of a special winner. With Samus, I feel nearly anyone with an argument over her has already won.

>>178034
I'm speaking in terms of general appeal, not tourney autists specifics. Dante might have an edge on Armstrong but not easily. Samus I feel would still come across as the biggest general /v/ favorite.

Will Chel do well this year or will she be stuck with the curse of the pooper

>>178038
I hope she never does well ever again.

>>178039
Fang…

>>178038
She would have to get a campaign which is unlikely, and ittodler will probably be falseflagging her again so no.

>>178022
Considering ms. is partially a waifu contest, I don't see Toph surpassing Jenny in that aspect

>>177812
Personally I feel the best would be to do a sort of round robin thing during the tournament where each round the character with the least votes is eliminated

Fang is still the only winner we have canon lewds of

How would the seeding work? The easy option is to just pit the champions for each year against each other in Round 1 but that would mean either Jenny or Johnny is out immediately.

The funny thing is this whole concept started as a funpost as it was always attached with comments saying that tournaments were going to end after it happened

>>178072
God I wish that were true

>>178072
*canonical tournaments

>>178079
… in bizarro world.

>>178026
>Meta stuff only tourneyfags here know in-depth
the fang debacle happened in plain sight right in the afterparty threads, out of all the champion scandals it's probably the one non-tourneyheads will know the best, right behind the OG spinel shitshow.

The cumulative ms. placements based off people's prior rankings and general attitude is easy to guess.
>1. Jenny
>2. Frankie
>3. Monarch
>4. Betty
>5. Fang
>6. Wuya
>7. Spinel
Mr. is much more difficult and people got different opinions all over the place. Maybe Bravo cumulatively tops and Zorak and Grievous are most often at the bottom.
I don't think it's a locked deal for anyone anyhow. And seems to me the more people say x is guaranteed to happen the less it tends to happen.

>>178071
That's partly why I suggest >>178058 as it would mean we don't need to deal with no seeding

>>178250
Mostly agree, but believe Fang is being undersold here.

>>178271
Thread and tourneyfag opinions of course aren't perfectly accurate. I'd say /co/ in general would put her up one or two spots.

I shall rally fanggang in 2025

Frieza is gay

Sad thing is this heckin All Star Elite 8 meme is going to fuck up the /co/ tournaments this year because people are going to be autistic that it has to be a powerhouse to be a final pick for this initial chapter
I’d say there’s about 6 Ms /co/ contestants and 4 Mr /co/ contestants that have a realistic chance this year about that

>>178300
>Sad thing is [/tnt/ babble]
No one outside of this site gives a fuck about an EE8 tournament and even less are going to change their voting preferences because of that.

>>178300
I don't think people will care. And knowing ms. /co/ that could result in the opposite effect anyways.

>>178300
See:
>>178302

I'm starting to get the feeling doomfagging about people using the EE8 as an argument is gonna be worse than people actually using EE8 as an argument.

People are just gonna have an extra excuse to declare whatever winners they don't like as non-canon next year.

You know if you removed the context entirely the ms. /co/ line-up ain't that bad.

>>178410
Who cares people do that every year

>>178760
nah

>>178825
Well think about it.
>Spinel: yes the board hates SU but in the context of 2019 it's very understandable that she'd win, plus Spinel in herself is arguably the best thing to come out of SU and watching her it's very easy to see why a damaged peppy BPD alien reaper girl swept up so many anon's
>Monarch: A straight up decent pick from a renown show /co/ loves
>Betty: The toppest legacy pick.
>Fang: Similar to Spinel, very understandable why she'd win 2022, but also /co/ actually loves Primal
>Wuya: 2000's /co/core waifu, fetish bait, pretty much everyone knows her and she's arguably the most remarkable thing about her series
It's when you add on how they won it becomes a parade of "bad" winners.

>>178300
>>178302
wouldn't it be funny if guy gagne won this year just so we could have him lose the all stars tourney?

>>178828
Wouldn't it be funnier if a snail won instead?

If it's held here Johnny and Jenny won't win cause it's been predicted too much meaning subversion meta dictates it won't happen.

I think monarch and fang are good winners

>>178866
Monarch is alright. 7/10
Fang almost feels impossible to evaluate. On a purely character level i'm meh on her.

Fang was FOTM (Primal was airing season 2 at the time of her win), a meme pick, an anti-coom meta pick, and a "why wasn't Genndy won already?" (Grievous is George Lucas' creation) pity pick all rolled into one. Prove me wrong.

>>178868
Fang got third place and got extremely close to beating the champion when she was in off season

>>178867
>>178868
Fang's problem is her meta novelty hype which I don't think ages well + really weird circumstances of 2022. There was the big rigger conundrum in round 3 where a bunch of (apparently) rigged picks were just left to continue and keep winning and Fang ended up facing rigged competition to win. And the win was basically a host lock since NSA was set on having her win against Shirley regardless. Why not just have Fang face Chel if they really thought that? I don't know. Just strange win all around for Fang.

>>178869
That doesn’t really disprove anything.
>>178868
>>178871
There are too many novelty and meta winners in addition to people feeling coomers are being discriminated against.

>>178872
>coomers being discriminated against
Cry me a fucking river

>>178874
They should've done more for the horny contests, playgirl this year was a ghost town

>>178876
They were all inside my belly.

>>178876
I don't care about furries.

>>178879
How do I know that you voted for Death then?

>>178883
Nta, but I'm gay. That's why I hated playgirl.

>>178874
Yeah we only care about sexy people if they’re animal people, dumb fucking coomers don’t get that amirite /tnt/!?!?!?

>>178886
Who are you quoting?

>>178885
Should we just get rid of Playgirl?

>>178886
Seethe more playloser

>coomer meltdown
This is why fang won

>>178896
Voting for something cause it’s anti-coom is even gayer than voting for something cause it’s coom. At least the latter is some kind of interest in the character innately.

>>178899
I voted for her because I like the show and character. Not my fault others vote with their cocks

When you start using phrases like “discriminated against” in a 4chan tournament discussion then you’re too far gone

>>178899
This is true. People have more than likely never watched MLAATR, Venture Bros, or Foster’s but they had that innate interest in the character’s attractiveness.
>>178903
You have never seen a single episode of the show she comes from.
>>178904
Then stop voting for anti coom characters?

>Puritan meltdown
This is why Frankie won

>>178905
>stop voting for anti coom characters
Im sorry that I just vote for the characters I enjoy regardless of coom. I’m not really sorry but you know what I mean. I’m not going to vote for a character because I know a lot of people coom to them, I won’t not vote for them because of it, but I’m not going to use that for points in their favor

>>178907
The funny thing is I supported Frankie in 24 because I like her show and character

>>178909
But /co/ told me no one actually likes Foster’s Home just like they also told me no one actually likes MLAATR, how could it be possible that the board full of twitter screencap threads and e-celeb threads was wrong?

>>178910
/co/ and /tnt/ are constantly saying “no one likes *insert winner here*” which ignores how they won in the first place. Sore losers I guess.

>>178911
Yeah, even Spinel the FOTM rig pick still had to have some merit to get that far in 2019, even if people think she would’ve lost to Raven without that Facebook group brigade.

>>178909
>>178910
This isn't really helping the puritan allegations

>>178907
>get BTFO
>"y-you are having a m-meltdown!!1!"
Pathetic display.

>>178903
The original point is (one of) Fang's meta joke hype things was how anti-coom she was. She's a fucking dino and it sticks it to all the normal waifufags or something. People voting for something to vote AGAINST another thing is worse than voting for that thing even if it's shallow imo cause as far as character tourneys go it's gay meta shit.
>>178905
>>178910
Anyone on /co/ saying that is a faggot. Frankie, Monarch, and Jenny all got far primarily cause they are watched, known, and liked in their shows in era they aired in. Most of /co/ watched those shows, they're popular childhood airings.

>>178906
Based, I own both seasons as well. Such a good show, love Fang as a winner

“You have to vote for characters if people coom to them!” Is pretty close to the usual /tnt/ “you have to vote for the powerhouses!” shit

I’m not going to hold either of those against them, but those aren’t going to be deciding factors of who I vote for. It’s a popularity contest where you vote for who you like more, so I will vote for who I like regardless of meta nonsense.

>>178918
I thought the stereotype was that /tnt/ hated powerhouses and that you only have to vote for characters who roleplay more than the other opponent regardless of popularity.

>>178918
>“You have to vote for characters if people coom to them!”
No one's fucking saying this. The complaint was people doing the polar opposite meta stuff about Fang.
This place always has the reading comprehension of a goose.

>>178919
/tnt/‘s stereotype is they like campaigns and use it as the deciding factor over character merit. They can very much like powerhouses if they are vocal and heavily campaigned and roleplayed but they hate powerhouses that are silent but are being voted on for the character

>>178920
There’s a reason they voted for Fang; they can’t read at all

>>178916
>>178906
Why do you hate coom so much?

>>178919
>>178922
/tnt/ is fucking stupid and shouldn’t be voting in these things.

>>178920
>reading comprehension
I've been reading this convo and it seems more like people are accusing anyone who voted for Fang of being an anticoomer, regardless if they actually voted for on character or because they like her show.
Seeing meta where there isn't is pretty meta poisoned.

>>178915
Just because people watched the shows doesn’t mean they were liked. Plenty of people were saying that Jenny and Frankie were the only good things in their shows.
Also how is “it aired in my childhood” better than other gay meta shit?

>>178924
>you voted fang because you hate coom
>no I like her and her show a lot
>you haven’t seen any of it
>*provides proof of owning both seasons*
>”why do you hate coom”
Why is voting for someone not for coom reasons such an alien concept to some people? God forbid someone votes for a character they like from a show they like. Other people can’t fap to it and it makes them mad so you shouldn’t vote for them

>>178925
But my literal who must win

>/tnt/ is having trouble grasping the idea of popularity contests
Huh, almost like this place is a circlejerk of like 20 spergs

>>178930
Fang isn't popular

>>178929
When has a literal who won these things?

>>178928
"My literal who must win!"
Yup, this sounds like /tnt/ alright.

>>178931
>>178933
>more /tnt/ schizobabble
This place is so out of touch with /co/ it isn’t even funny

>>178926
>people are accusing anyone who voted for Fang of being an anticoomer,
No, just that that was a factor for some during her run, part of her novelty. Or at least that’s what i’m saying. I can’t speak for the other anon.

>>178935
How exactly did you know it was a factor? Were people actually saying they wanted to stick it to the coomers or this like how Wonder Woman was headcanoned to be the Cheesecake pick.

>>178932
See:
>>178933
>>178931

>>178934
>Fang
>not the /tnt/ novelty pick
The only out of touch with /co/ is you

>>178936
This exact argument played out in 2020, people accused fang gang of just being anti coomers voting for a meme, and no amount of justification from fang supporters could sway them

>>178938
/tnt/ fucking hates fang lmao, look at this thread

>>178937
Fang is not a literal who

>NOOOOOOOOOOO THE CHARACTER WITH THE MOST PIECES OF ART ON THE BOORU ISNT POPULAR AT ALL
>NOOOOOOOOOOO NO ONE LIKES HER IT DOESNT MATTER SHE WAS THE POWERHOUSE TO END ALL POWERHOUSES
I see we’ve hit the phase of denial of basic facts

>>178932
Recette, Batter, Cognito, Glamgals, Torres, Grimm to name a few.

>>178944
Welcome to /tnt/, where the facts are made up and reality doesn’t matter

>>178944
This is the site that called Cass vs Eda a Milf Vs Gilf fight despite the fact Eda is a couple years younger than Cass.

>>178936
Because she's a fucking dino. FANG GANG and all that shit had a big memey and ironical element (including when it came to "sexualizing" her) and a lot of people supporting her ended up doing so as just part of the hype.
>>178944
I don't think i've seen anyone call her straight up rigged. I've seen a lot of comments over the years that the tourney and her win had odd circumstances though, being the whole round 3 fiasco with NSA and the finale swap as you said.

>>178947
>Because she's a fucking dino.
That’s not being anti coom, you can just like something for being a dinosaur.
>FANG GANG and all that shit had a big memey and ironical element (including when it came to "sexualizing" her)
I don’t think anyone is memeing when they want to fuck a dinosaur; it’s the same board that would genuinely jerk off to a curvy piece of driftwood.

Again, posts like these really put words in people’s mouths and assume there could only be meta reasons or irony or memes or hypes instead of the simple answer of “I like this character and their show.”

Dinosaurs are cool. Simple as.

>>178950
I think you're daft if you actually took all Fang stuff at face value.
In any case, it's worth noting the Fang "coom" posting was acceptable and didn't hold her back cause it was perceived as ironical and not actually sexy to most, in a similar way homo's can get away with a bunch of gay stuff as a "joke."

>>178927
Anyone who thinks Vexus or most of the Imaginary Friends from Foster’s Home aren’t cool is a ginormous faggot.

>>178942
>>178944
>>178945
This isn't about rigging, it's about Fang being used as a weapon to screw over coomers.
>>178952
And that's what people mean. Everything about Fang was ironic, even down to people posting DVDs for some fucking reason.

>>178955
You can also apply this to MvC3 since Dante is also a winner.

>People can’t like the cool dinosaur for any reason other than irony
I don’t care about Fang and thinks she’s a mediocre winner but this is an extremely retarded argument.

You have it half right
Fang wasn't an ironic anti-coom pick in entirety. Fang was a pick for people who wanted character personality (like it is in Mr /co/) to take precedence over being most coomable. It's less anti-coom as much as appreciating character over coom
Fang is a strong character, and that she had a stronger one than most the lifeless powerhouse girls /co/ circlejerks despite being a fucking dinosaur says a lot

I think anyone who considers a mute dinosaur to be a stronger character than girls like Raven or Toph needs a reality check and an in depth conversation about why coolness isn’t a replacement for an actual personality.

>>178954
>posting DVD’s is ironic
Jesus fucking Christ this board has so much brainrot it isn’t even funny. I posted them as proof I watched and like the show, why would I own two blu rays of a show I didn’t watch IRONICALLY?

You people are so stupid

>Owning merchandise that you had to pay for with money you earned makes you an ironic fan because… because it just does okay!?!?!?

>>178962
Fang is not a good character. Raven and Toph mog her easily personality wise.

Hell I even have an unofficial primal shirt, because there isn’t an official one
>>178965
That has nothing to do with what I said. What the fuck is wrong with you

>>178961
I will give you Toph but no one ever talks about Raven's personality in the tournaments, let alone it being a strong personality.
Hell, Toph is more like Fang in that personality and love for the source material were big factors in getting far over looks.

>>178958
The claim is that SOME people to SOME degree voted in ironical and meta fashion about Fang and it was rather apparent given the nature of these tourneys, especially ms. /co/, that this was part of what was making up her powerhouse run. MY claim at least has always been this. But because I'm on /tnt/ we must talk in reductive ABSOLUTES all the fucking time.
I'm tired of arguing about tourney meta. It never goes anywhere or actually changes anyone's opinion.

>>178969
Were you the anon who was accusing people of never watching Primal? Because if you are AND you were the one who said posting merch was “ironic” then it really goes against your claims here.

>>178969
Every character has some sort of tourney meta attached them whether it's coom, irony, memes, roleplay, etc.
The only reason people complain about the meta is if it doesn't go their way.

>>178969
>But because I'm on /tnt/ we must talk in reductive ABSOLUTES all the fucking time.
But remember /co/ is the one in the wrong because…muh e-celeb threads and muh twitter screenshots.

>>178971
>Were you the anon who was accusing people of never watching Primal?
no.
>>178972
The complaint typically arises when meta overrules the character being a natural pick in an extreme or very undue way (i.e. the character is pretty widely regarded as shit).

>>178975
>The complaint typically arises when meta overrules the character being a natural pick in an extreme or very undue way
Every character gets this accusation at some point

>>178969
>I'm tired of arguing about tourney meta. It never goes anywhere or actually changes anyone's opinion.
And you will continue to argue about it. Because when people say they're tired of it, they really can’t get enough of it.

>>178977
Not really. It's never been a real complaint that Zorak or Frankie got a campaign boost. People like those characters and the campaigns are a tasteful accompaniment of them. People complain Hex Maniac or Batter did cause the campaign was basically not about the character and the swayed voters didn't have grounding in actually liking the character themself. The latter is why the term "campooner" even came about.

>>178974
If Genndy gets a third fucking win people will seethe lmao

>>178978
I do like analyzing meta. I don't like debating the same old thing twenty times though.

Just make it easy and start spamming your Mr Incredible image or some DBZ Yabba funpost, you're too obvious

>>178986
It’s the same thing. Why is meta so important to this site even considering this is the tournament board?

>>178987
Wouldn't be a complete /tnt/ discussion without the poopdickschizo post.

>>178987
Who are you quoting?

>>178987
Is Mr. Incrediblefag in the room with us right now?

>>178984
Samurai Jack is our Princess Zelda. We can’t let the joke end.

>>178989
/tnt/'s existence itself is literally tourney meta.

>>178982
Didn't campooner start on /co/?

>>178999
I mean the latter voting tendency. Yes it started on /co/, ms. 2023 to be exact.

I dunno, I think the funniest shit ever was when Wuya (and Eris) were propped up as a “le heckin campaign queen” that led to a still undelivered porn OC and being one of the factors to NSA’s downfall which arguably caused /co/ to become more traditional with their picks.

>>179012
>/co/ tournament went to shit
>/v/ tournaments became better
Fascinating

>>179015
on bizarro world

>>179017
Which is our world and therefore true.

>>179012
>arguably caused /co/ to become more traditional with their picks.
It's arguable the actual finale that year was the traditional powerhouse face-off Toph vs. Raven, but Wuya and Eris were NSA's personal pet picks.

>>179020
So true plus4chanbro

>>179026
Are we now contesting this long-known fact that blew up here a year ago?

>>179030
I don’t trust /tnt/ with the facts

>>179015
… on planet retard.

>>179081
I'm at a loss

>>179089
I don’t think Fang is solely FoTM boosted like monarch was. Monarch was a low level jobber until her show got canned which propelled her into winning. Fangs debut and only other tourney had her get 3rd place, losing to the winner by only 9 votes, and that was with like a year without any new primal stuff and only 5 episodes out at the time.

>>179090
whether she was actually FOTM boosted or not is a discussion for another time but people do definitely see it that way and that wouldn't change even if her win was legit

>>179090
>Monarch was a low level jobber
nah, she was a solid midcard filter. The two years prior she lost R3 against Chel and Frankie. Had the cancellation never happened I could see her still getting an E8 at a future point.
Anyways NTA but I wouldn't call Fang's quite on the FOTM level as Monarch, but I do consider Fang FOTM-lite, in the sense she was from a big currently airing show and 2022 involved the week of her finale, and I don't think she'd pull off the same hype run and win any point afterwards. Take away the weird NSA shenanigans and it's a legit, incontestable win, just with some of the same meta reservations about her hype and novelty.
I would argue Jenny>Frankie>Monarch>Fang>Betty>Wuya>Spinel would still in fact be the main board ranking. Fang dropping decisively lower half will depend on if this year's winner is good.

>>179091
>people see it that way
People see what they want to see, we have people ITT claiming fang was an unpopular literal who. This is untrue and we have the data to show it, but it doesn’t stop them.

>>179095
you've got it backwards. people don't argue about wuya because there is nothing to argue about. as soon as NSA exposed everyone went "yeah wuya was rigged" even though there's no smoking gun that 100% confirmed it.
Fang's rig was a lot more explicit. NSA outright said she knew Shirley was rigged but let her into finals anyway, and she openly fucked with the results after voting had concluded. but people did and still do try to defend Fang despite it being as clear-cut as you can get. and some of the defenders may have been NSA, we know she has a penchant for astroturfing and she did make victory screens to go with her shuffled E8 placements.

I just don't know why Fang gets people THAT mad. "Oh she's anti-coom, she's not a waifu, she was rigged" etc but who cares? She hasn't really left any lingering impact on the tournaments, she's not like Spinel or Batter where what she did changed the course of things for years ahead. It was a silly one-off happenstance.

>>179097
See
>>179096
A rigged pick who ruined it for the waifufags

The concept of the EE8 is stupid and will only bring harm to more champions than the asterisk already does. Let them rest in peace.

/co/ needs to take notes from /v/. Traditional winners ruin these tournaments and make them less fun journeys.

>>179095
Fang, basically, was dimes, and Wuya was not. People did care about Fang or at least got behind a huge two-year parade for her. Wuya is just low key, hardly noticeable as a winner so when the reveals came it wasn't "LMAO WTF RIGGED" it was just "oh fuck well i guess she was rigged."

>>179102
Anyway, here's to one more of bitching about the latest King of /v/ winner.

>>179103
Anons were already calling Wuya the best winner since Jenny before the OnlyFansArt stuff.

>>179097
Knocking off a chance at a retiring a legit and conventional winner in a tourney that desperately needed one is a reason. But ehhhh, yeah that shit goes back to Spinel setting a weird standard for it. Had the ms. line-up been normal up to that point Fang probably would get seen as an entertaining oddball without as much seethe.

1. Frankie - Legit, honest win (+Larger votepool, more advanced meta, -E8 handicap)
2. Jenny - Legit, honest win (+No E8 handicap, -Smaller votepool, less advanced meta)
3. Boop - Technically legit, last one standing in the spitefest
4. Monarch - Semi-legit, pity bump
5. Wuya - Fraudulent, Hostrig
6. Fang - Fraudulent, Hostrig/Recency/Trololo (but sizable pool of genuine fans)
7. Spinel - Fraudulent, Peru/Recency/Trololo (smaller pool of genuine fans, subjectively more annoying)

>>179106
That's more to do with how bad ms. /co/ is. Wuya got praise but it wasn't any big hype around her. She was a character that basically didn't belong past the midcard and stoked only modest enthusiasm outside NSA's astroturfing.

>>179097
>but who cares?
you do, apparently

>>179105
A meh winner is tolerable if people had a fun experience.
>>179108
Case in point, how many of these legit winners had entertaining threads

>>179112
Every queen year was good except for 2024 and Loser's final 2023 and queen also has better winners than King

>>179112
>refers to a line-up filled with oddball winners

>>179102
>>179112
King /v/'s idea of fun doesn't translate well to /co/ (or to Queen /v/ for that matter). And that's for the better imo cause I find most King /v/ antics and how they effect votes retarded.

>>179102
No because then we get shit like Livesey who feels exactly like a /v/ pick.

>>179103
That's certainly a better way of putting it. There was investment in Fang winning (which one can argue ties into her more contentious nature) whereas Wuya just sort of came and went, fitting for a character that was being astroturfed after all.

>>179118
Whys are digits disabled on /v/ anyways?

>>179123
iirc it was to prevent anons from derailing threads with rolling for dubs, but it can still easily happen with singles, so it's really just a useless change.

>>179133
>he
>his
We found out she was a girl too.

oh my goodness, oh my damn
oh my goodness- they goin H.A.M.

this is how bacon is supposed to be
the fries, they blend so perfectly
the cheese up in here is goin H.A.M.
dayum, dayum, DAYUM

>>179118
GETimus Prime >>> "If I get this number you GET RAPED!" with the ensuing replies of "OH NONONO ___keks" and "KWAB!!!"

>>179137
the only digits that should matter on /v/ are 00's or higher, and 92

>>179140
92 is literally
>"If I get this number you GET RAPED!" with the ensuing replies of "OH NONONO ___keks" and "KWAB!!!"
except instead of "you get raped" it's "i get raped"

>>179144
I thought it was pretty funny when a combine officer posted "with this 5 Wario will get a cattle prod up his ass" and it backfired and he got a 92 instead

>>179102
>/co/ needs to take notes from /v/
We already had our /v/-esque tournament. It was called Ms /co/ 2019

>>179145
True, non-characters like Hex and Combine Officer needed to be taken down a peg,

>>179148
The combine officer that tells you to pick up that can is a real character, though.

>>179144
92 is honestly fine since it's extremely harder to get compared to just normal digits and often doesn't benefit the poster

>>179144
92 is funnier cause it's specific. Single digit gets are kind of lame though.

>>179151
Oh yeah? If my post ends in a 2 your head explodes and is replaced with a big poopoo! :D

>>179152
Vince...

>>179147
Heroes of /co/ got pretty /v/ esque at times

>>179155
>/v/ doesn’t watch cartoons so they nominate, campaign and vote for literal fucking /a/ characters cuz “puppets are western guys!!!”

>>179155
>>179156
The thing is that Heroes of /co/ was not long after the Heroes and Villains /v/ tournaments so /tnt/ still had the typical /v/ philosophy of "campaigns over characters" fresh on their minds. It's why you get things like a character who admittedly abuses rule technicalities (i.e. Shou Fu Kan) getting to E8 because of drawfagging, Popeye beating Harvey Birdman somehow being a controversial result, that brief doomfagging over Scooby-Doo in round 4, etc. Villains of /co/ was more in line with /co/ though, even if some characters like Voltar were pushing it.

Shou Fu Kan seems to get shit on a lot in retrospectives but I don't remember any controversy about him at the time. The biggest example of /tnt/ meta picks faggotry to me is still the mutineers getting in the finals of /cov/.

>>179149
a real faggot character I'll bet

>>179160
I complained about Shou’s eligibility during the tournament and got dismissed by anons who voted for him solely for being a Torresanon pick and claiming he was “more heroic” than Hulk(?????).

>>179162
I'm not sure how people came to that conclusion even if they've never touched Hulk media. I think that's definitely an example of campaigning going to far to the point character stops mattering.

>>179161
I'd love if the Goomba from Super Mario Bros. 1-1 qualified and got a campaign for something. Being the guy who's responsible for more gamer deaths than Mao was for real deaths is quite the accomplishment

>>179133
It really was a near 1:1 on the moment hank found out. She was literally right our nose all this time.

>>179118
I never got the appeal of single digit GETs, there's nothing remotely impressive or interesting about some random fag saying "5 and rape", failing several times in a row before eventually rolling a single 1 in 10 digit
I remember Mr. /co/ 2020 had a lot of big GETs that were actually hype like with Tom smiting his opponents with quads and quints left and right, and even CHADimus Prime posters could at least get dubs/trips consistently even without trying. Wake me up when Battler rapes someone with quads or something, that would be an actual interesting happening instead of just the mindless spam that tends to take over threads past image limit

>>179169
Transformers posting is funny because Optimus never fishes for digits, he just happens to get them on random posts. The Decepticons actually fish for dubs and usually never get them.

>>179172
Imagine if someone took that one retard and his "Toonami ruling" babble seriously and we had Naruto or Goku competing in one of the /co/ tournaments.

>>179173
Goku STILL hasn't competed in a real tournament, even Bejita got i to Playboy

>>179174
Bejita was in Queen /a/ first

>>179176
>The score is 2-0.

>>179172
The one that kind of annoyed me in terms of “actually enforce it or not have it at all” was the /trash/ porn tournaments, with the rule of no loli or shota characters allowed*
*The host said this rule wasn’t even being applied at all and only put up to not get a ban, so a bunch of loli and shota characters could be nominated

>>179193
/a/ bro....

>>179193
/a/CHAD…….

>>179193
It was kind of a pointless rule, but I think it's mainly to apply to pre-pubescent characters. None of the "loli" and "shota" nominated was actually banned on /trash/. Rules and complaining is doubly pointless pointless cause none of them were even close to qualifying. Shou is a rather big deal cause the fucker got all the way to semifinals of heroes.

>>179208
>Semifinals
He lost in quarterfinals to Hank, but he got 5th place over Daredevil and Optimus Prime.

>>179219
>but he got 5th place over Daredevil and Optimus Prime.
That’s some bullshit

It really pisses me off how much NSA fucked over Fang’s legacy. The fucked up part is that Fang would have almost certainly won against Chel. The character with the most art of any singular character ever in the tourneys vs a girl who’s “OC” was getting shoved in a dude’s pooper. Considering how she was fucking steamrolling powerhouses like Raven, Chel would have been a non issue.

But NSA had to fuck everything up to prove a “point”. I’m still mad we couldn’t just have a fun afterparty because of her.

>>180306
I get NSA was going to taint Fang anyways with the OFA reveal, but I’m being honest, from the initial thread the rigging was revealed to this day i don’t get the meltdown over letting Shirley through. It seemed like typical Ms /co/ spitefest seethe
People were mad because… NSA didn’t disqualify a contestant like the rules didn’t allow and has never happened before? That doesn’t happen because the slope is so slippery if you openly disqualified someone. Chel lost and given even the rigging couldn’t save Shirley she effectively lost there too.
I still think the Shirley rigging group and anti-fangfags made it far bigger of a deal than it was because they were mad Fang was going to win and/or Shirley was called out for rigging and wasn’t going to win, so they kept spamming meltdowns to make it seem a bigger deal than it was.
And it worked. So really, all these tournaments have shown me is /co/ cannot handle the redpill of if something is rigged. If NSA said nothing there wouldn’t have even been any issue brought up. If anything is brought up doomerfags will make sure they try to ruin it all.

>>180407
Why the fuck wouldn't an openly declared rigged character moving forward be controversial? It ruins the overt validity of the contest. It would be controversial in any tournament.
I agree though that the best course of action would probably have been to just silently remove the rigged votes. That's on NSA's decision and I think it was poorly handled.

>>180306
>The fucked up part is that Fang would have almost certainly won against Chel.
I still can't get over how Chel's perfect E8 attendance was broken by a character that didn't even exist before ms. /co/ 2024.