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No.209066
Incognitymous ThreadAnonymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Finally time for a new thread. A bit late on this one, but better late than never. Old thread can be found dying and discarded all the way on the second page at >>207537. New thread can be found here.
No.209078
Anonymous
>>209066
Shiiiiiittttt YESSSS that is sexy..
No.209080
Anonymous
>>209066
I did not expect that to be a waterslide. Wow. This is probably my favorite pin-up yet.
No.209083
Anonymous
>>209066
Looks great man. Starting that thread off with a bang.
No.209088
Anonymous
>>209066
*throws up gang signs* "Loli Club for life bitchez!"
No.209100
Anonymous
That looks like a real waterslide. So now I'm picturing:

"Okay, so you're August, so how about we do a waterslide?"
"Great, I know just the place."
"No, no, we don't actually go out for these... it's a nude photoshoot, we can't do them in public. We just paint a background."
"What? Fuck that! Just follow me with a HD camera and we're doing this fucking thing on location!"
No.209103
Anonymous
>>209100
I like to think of the waterslide as a metaphor of sliding oneself into a gushing-wet vagina :3
No.209105
Anonymous
well done. we need more of cindy!
No.209107
Anonymous
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Hey incog, How about doing some with Andrea and Adult Kevin from that episode of krypto the superdog "growing Pains"
No.209115
Anonymous
>>209107
Again with the Krypto. Fund him on Patreon bro.
No.209119
Anonymous
>>209066
She totally peed in the waterslide XD
No.209121
Anonymous
Replies:>>209122
>>209066
Are you going to do some Ronnie-Anne incog? I know she isn't one of the sisters, but shes pretty damned cute all the same, and her and Lincoln have a thing to boot.
No.209122
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Late update is late. Pretty much spent the entire day experimenting with different ideas to figure out exactly how I could color CG characters while still just using the Pen/Blur tools. After a bit of trial and error (pretty much all error) I just went with it. Wanted to do the entire thing without lines first, which is something I am bad at. Not fully satisfied but here is the Vanellope request in color. Still want to try and do the futa edit I mentioned, but for now I need a break from this. We'll see how I feel about it tomorrow.

>>209094
>I think it makes two weeks now. How's everything going, Incog? Do you have that kind of feeling of having too much free time or is everything OK?

Still going great. Definitely not feeling like I have too much free time as I am still keeping myself busy pretty much all hours of the day. Plus the fact that I have a backlog of stuff to get to still keeps me feeling like I still have a lot to do.

>>209100
>That looks like a real waterslide. So now I'm picturing:
>
>"Okay, so you're August, so how about we do a waterslide?"
>"Great, I know just the place."
>"No, no, we don't actually go out for these... it's a nude photoshoot, we can't do them in public. We just paint a background."
>"What? Fuck that! Just follow me with a HD camera and we're doing this fucking thing on location!"

Haha, as possible as that would be for Cindy, it's still just a flat backdrop. I figured adding the water in front of the ground like that would be within the club's Photoshop capacity. Although it doesn't look as obvious as some of the others that slide is still colored flat.

>>209121
>Are you going to do some Ronnie-Anne incog? I know she isn't one of the sisters, but shes pretty damned cute all the same, and her and Lincoln have a thing to boot.

Possibly. I'd like to get to that eventually, but for now I need to do some of my backed up Patreon stuff.
No.209123
Anonymous
>>209122
A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No.209126
Anonymous
Replies:>>209131
>>209122
>>209122
>Pretty much spent the entire day experimenting with different ideas to figure out exactly how I could color CG characters

Turned out pretty spot on. I'd say you had a productive day!
No.209128
Anonymous
On the subject of CGI, think you might do some Sofia the First?
No.209130
Anonymous
Hey Incog, have you ever drawn young Korra? If not, she might be a new character to mix into your new bank of characters you're drawing.
No.209131
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is a sketch of my next past pending $5 request. This one is for Ahsoka Tano from Star Wars: The Clone Wars. There was no request for the other character, but I chose Anakin based off of another upcoming request from the same requester. Going to be doing more CG character practice so this one will take a minute to color but I'll try and post it tonight.

>>209126
>Turned out pretty spot on. I'd say you had a productive day!

Thanks. Glad to hear it worked out given how long I spent messing around with coloring options. Also, I learned a valuable lesson about putting certain flats on their own layer as opposed to putting all of the flats on a single layer like I did. Not an issue for flat colors, but when trying to do certain other things it would definitely prove beneficial to be able to color the area without worry of going over into other areas.

>>209128
>On the subject of CGI, think you might do some Sofia the First?

Maybe one day.
No.209132
Anonymous
>>209131
Incredible incog. Love Ahsoka!
No.209133
Anonymous
>>209122
Might be too late and if you don't feel like adding it it's fine. Kind of wish there were some pips showing close ups of Vanellope's tongue action and her backside wet in anticipation of what's to cum.
No.209134
Anonymous
>>209122

Wow, that's one hell of a coloring job. The shading on the folds of the tan colored clothing is almost photo-realistic.

I'd say apply for a job in comics, but all American comics stink now. Still, if you can get even half as good as Clayton Crain's work, that's a hell of an achievement.
No.209137
Anonymous
Replies:>>209142
>>209134
>but all American comics stink now.
get a load of this guy dot jaypeg
No.209138
Anonymous
Replies:>>209219
>>209134
Don't they outsource to Brazil these days?
No.209140
Anonymous
>>209122
>>209131
So. Freakin. ACCURATE.
No.209142
Anonymous
Replies:>>209164
>>209137

I stand by that statement. Its no longer about putting out good stories. Its just movie tie-ins and worthless events.

One Punch Man and My Hero Academia do a better job of super heroes, and Vinland Saga, One Piece, Dorohedoro, Red Storm, Berserk, Gosu, and Blue Exorcist are just plain awesome.
No.209143
Anonymous
>>209122
Wow the coloring job on this is amazing.
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>>209128
'Sofia the First' needs some serious attention. She just needs a commissioner on Incog's Patreon.
No.209146
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>>209131
Wow, Ahsoka! We're really getting out there! I really like Ahsoka smut, she's in that great eager-teenage sex drive age range. If you feel like drawing her again feel free to, we really don't get much anymore after Tourbillion hung up his hat.
No.209151
Anonymous
>>209145
That image is pretty stellar, reminds me of Fuchur a bit. Is "simontblr" one of those artists that just quit everything after the great loli purges? Seems he had deviantart and tumblr which have been deleted.
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>>209151
He's still going strong as far as I know
No.209155
Anonymous
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>>209151
Simon still draws constantly. He posts all his shit on twitter though.
No.209158
Anonymous
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if your doing cg characters, than try Bubble Guppies.
No.209159
Anonymous
>>209151
>>209155
And then there's the 8ch board he runs that generally has what he makes, and is where he posts about his streams.
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>>209158
Dude
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>>209142
>One Punch Man and My Hero Academia do a better job of super heroes
>American comics are just superheroes.
No.209166
Anonymous
>>209131
This is done with much passion and reverence for the source material. You breathe so much life in these lines, her eyes look like they're about to open!
No.209173
Anonymous
>>209164

I listed two hero books and you equate that to saying all American comics are super heroes?
No.209174
Anonymous
Replies:>>209219
Are you still going to sketch teen titans go or are you just going to do requests now?
No.209178
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is my amateurish attempt at coloring Ahsoka Tano and Anakin from Star Wars: The Clone Wars. No update yesterday as I did a lot of derping around with coloring ideas again. There is also the fact that I had some family crap to deal with of the "need to smack a bitch" variety so it pushed this back a bit further. Still a lot of work to go to get decent at this kind of coloring but hopefully I'll get there sooner than forever from now.

Need to get back to dealing with said problem in a bit once someone arrives so no time for replies yet.
No.209179
Anonymous
>>209177

Oh, sorry I didn't mean it to sound like that. Just do what you want to do incog. As long as you're happy I'm happy.
No.209180
Anonymous
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>>209178
I hope you do more Ahsoka in the future. The potential for amazing Incog SW pics is limitless.
No.209184
Anonymous
>>209178
oh yes more ahsoka love the colour work. More! MORE!
No.209188
Anonymous
>>209178
You've got some insane skills incog. Could this be the era of CG requests in your career where you challenge yourself and explore the furthest reaches of your limits?
No.209190
Anonymous
>>209188
Gotta be careful of that though. Trolls and such like to use that stuff to scare folks away.
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>>209178
>Here is my amateurish attempt at coloring

That's a good one!
No.209193
Anonymous
>>209178
ORANGE LABIA
No.209196
Anonymous
>>209178
If this is amateurish coloring then there is no hope for any of us lol
No.209197
Anonymous
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>>209178
>There is also the fact that I had some family crap to deal with of the "need to smack a bitch" variety

Do tell, this sounds juicy =)
No.209198
Anonymous
^ (I don't mean to pry there incog but feel free to unload if the mood takes you)
No.209213
Anonymous
Replies:>>209218
>>209197
I bet your the type of person who enjoys other people misery and issues.

Any true fan of incog would know that if he had to say "need to smack a bitch" it's very personal. Plus whatever happen to respecting other peoples privacy. If incog wants to tell us he will otherwise mind your fucking business. One last thing your obviously new here so why don't you go read all of incog past post if you want your juicy information.
No.209218
Anonymous
Replies:>>209219
>>209207
>>209213
I don't know if you've noticed but Incog shares a lot of his problems with us. I believe it's therapeutic for him to do this, to type them out and share his burdens. Doing so has lead to him creating a succesful Patreon account on the advice and council of those who were listening at the time. I was merely being humorous with how I worded my acknowledgment and care for his current problem. I don't take joy in his misery but you have t admit, Incog's life is like a soap opera sometimes, and I mean that in the best possible way. Sometimes you just gotta laugh about it, it's how I deal with shitstorms.
No.209219
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is a rough sketch of page 1 of my next pending $10 request. This one was for loli Azula and gang at the beach. Probably will not finish the whole thing this month, but should be able to at least sketch and line most if not all of it before the month ends. On that note, will start sketching page 2 in a bit.

>>209134
>Wow, that's one hell of a coloring job. The shading on the folds of the tan colored clothing is almost photo-realistic.
>
>I'd say apply for a job in comics, but all American comics stink now. Still, if you can get even half as good as Clayton Crain's work, that's a hell of an achievement.

Thanks. I was actually trying to keep the image looking decent using mostly flats, but then I got to her reflective coat and immediately thought, "How the hell am I going to do that?". I just went with the first thing that came to mind and luckily it worked out after a bit of work/rework. As for applying for comics, not a lot of loli comic companies around here, and by "not a lot" I mean none at all. There are a few places online I could think of, but in order to support myself financially via that method I would likely have to have a pay wall, which I'd still like to avoid.

>>209138
>Don't they outsource to Brazil these days?

Wouldn't be surprised. It's surprising how even big companies like Marvel/Disney will outsource overseas.

>>209146
>Wow, Ahsoka! We're really getting out there! I really like Ahsoka smut, she's in that great eager-teenage sex drive age range. If you feel like drawing her again feel free to, we really don't get much anymore after Tourbillion hung up his hat.

That is a good character age range. I doubt I'll ever randomly feel like drawing her since I've never seen Clone Wars, but I'm sure there could always be more requests in the future.

>>209149
>Oh, Oh! Incog! It would be great that Ahsoka had white nipples!

I didn't really like the idea of that until I seem to have found out through pulling up more references that the white on her is actually natural. I thought she was wearing some kind of hat thing and had paint on her face, but now I think I was wrong about that.

>>209174
>Are you still going to sketch teen titans go or are you just going to do requests now?

Doing requests now, but I have watched a little bit of Teen Titans Go! while I eat and it is a pretty cute show. Definitely loving how adorable Raven is in it so there is a good chance I'll decide to do so in the near future.

>>209180
>I hope you do more Ahsoka in the future. The potential for amazing Incog SW pics is limitless.

Well I'm not sure about the potential pics since I know next to nothing about Star Wars, but I am pretty certain there is at least one more Ahsoka in the future, with the possibility of more.

>>209185
>Honestly, it looks pretty good. The only things that are a little off are the shadows in Anakin's elbow area and the lack of fingernails in their fingers.
>Also, in my opinion she looks better with white nipples but that's a matter of taste.

Yeah, a lot of the coloring on this was experimental so I used a different method in his elbow area compared to everything else. I probably should have blended things in that area, but it was so difficult deciding how to do things with the anatomy that the show has, mainly with his thin limbs, bulky torso and straw waist. I actually did not think the show had fingernails, which is why I opted out of adding them, but after looking for new images after seeing your comment I found a few where I could faintly see them. Guess I'll have to keep that in mind for later pieces.

>>209186
>Well Incog, you could always do this.

Definitely got a laugh out of that after he jumped out the window.

>>209188
>You've got some insane skills incog. Could this be the era of CG requests in your career where you challenge yourself and explore the furthest reaches of your limits?

Thanks. Not sure if it's going to be a CG request era, but I definitely do want to get more proficient at converting 3D characters into my 2D style. I figure if I want to run a request based Patreon then I should broaden my range a little.

>>209191
>That's a good one!

Hey, I am quite new to this method. I'm learning it as I go, which has been causing it to take more time than it should. I'm constantly stopping at different steps to try out a bunch of different methods/ideas instead of just getting through the piece. I definitely have trouble with adding mouth/cheekbone structure to female faces, which is definitely something I need to work on. Hopefully in time I'll feel a little more proficient with it, but for now I am very amateurish with it.

>>209218
>I don't know if you've noticed but Incog shares a lot of his problems with us. I believe it's therapeutic for him to do this, to type them out and share his burdens. Doing so has lead to him creating a succesful Patreon account on the advice and council of those who were listening at the time. I was merely being humorous with how I worded my acknowledgment and care for his current problem. I don't take joy in his misery but you have t admit, Incog's life is like a soap opera sometimes, and I mean that in the best possible way. Sometimes you just gotta laugh about it, it's how I deal with shitstorms.

This is true. I always laugh about it in the end, and usually at the time of except for instances where I am dealing with someone relevant to the problem. My stories always gather a lot of attention at social gatherings (in the few instances where I go to them), and people even have a name used for my life stories. In this instance it was just a typical issue involving a certain someone prone to bad decisions and a slip up involving drugs. I had to take action immediately because the condition of my car was affected by the situation, which is a big issue at the moment. A quick fix and laying down of the law later and everything is back on track.
No.209220
Anonymous
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>>209219
Oh sweet my request. Hell yeah. Those are some great lolis. I love that detail of Mai staring at Zuko.
No.209221
Anonymous
>>209219
Thanks to the requestor and thank you for drawing this incog!
No.209222
Anonymous
>>209220
So with requests, does incog come up with the script or did you give him one?
No.209227
Anonymous
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>>209222
I gave him a very general concept and he rolled with it. He knows better than I do how to make lewd lolis do lewd things.
No.209230
Anonymous
Replies:>>209255
Incog I need my weekly dose of futa when are you going to make that picture.
No.209231
Anonymous
Replies:>>209255
I don't come here often but I just say your loli azula sketch on paheal and I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for finally giving the fire trio some attention! I love loli azula and i've always secretly wished you'd include her in your loli club pics so i'm happy to finally see you draw her some more
No.209240
Anonymous
So, does $10 mean it'll get lined and colored or just lined? Sorry I'm new here.
No.209241
Anonymous
>>209227
>He knows better than (anyone) how to make lewd lolis do lewd things.

It really is amazing what he can do with the seeds of an idea. I have no doubt in my mind that incog has a masters in loli studies from Dartmouth
No.209243
Anonymous
>>209240
Go to www.patreon.com/Incognitymous for his rates. Your $10-a-month pledge will get you a comic page or two btw. $5 a month a colored drawing. $1 a lined drawing. Gotta pledge to be in it though. Incog is the fairest, classiest person around so he rewards everyone for their patronage eventually.
No.209249
Anonymous
>>209219
>people even have a name used for my life stories. In this instance it was just a typical issue involving a certain someone prone to bad decisions and a slip up involving drugs. I had to take action immediately because the condition of my car was affected by the situation

Thanks for sharing that. It's always just good to know how my favourite artist is doing. We're fortunate to live in an age where we can get in touch with our inspirations. It's like being able to gauge Van Gogh's situation and simply be there for him. So it's nothing too serious then?
No.209254
Anonymous
Replies:>>209255
>>209249
Deep shit for a loli porn thread
No.209255
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch of page 2 for the loli Azula and gang comic. 2 more pages to go then I can start on the lines.

>>209222
>So with requests, does incog come up with the script or did you give him one?

People are free to come up with a script, otherwise a general idea works and I just roll with it.

>>209230
>Incog I need my weekly dose of futa when are you going to make that picture.

I'll get to it eventually. Let me get these sketched out first.

>>209231
>I don't come here often but I just say your loli azula sketch on paheal and I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for finally giving the fire trio some attention! I love loli azula and i've always secretly wished you'd include her in your loli club pics so i'm happy to finally see you draw her some more

I had been planning to give these 3 attention for a while, and if I can get the time by getting enough pledges on Patreon that I can drop the guaranteed requests I would like to do an extended comic with loli Azula and Zuko, followed by a comic of all 4. Sadly life just is not working out that way.

>>209240
>So, does $10 mean it'll get lined and colored or just lined? Sorry I'm new here.

Well as others have mentioned, the $10 restrictions have changed to either 4 pages without colors, or 2 pages with colors. This one is an older request in my queue of requests I promised to do, so much like repeat requests from before the changes, it's up to 4 pages with colors.

>>209246
>I think it was now either two colored comic pages or four uncolored as a maximum for a $10

This is correct.

>>209249
>Thanks for sharing that. It's always just good to know how my favourite artist is doing. We're fortunate to live in an age where we can get in touch with our inspirations. It's like being able to gauge Van Gogh's situation and simply be there for him. So it's nothing too serious then?

Yeah, nothing serious. Pretty much got the entire situation resolved, minus replacing a tub of ice cream that got eaten on me. The situation would have been easier to resolve if American car manufacturers were not dicks that hid batteries in wheel wells.

>>209254
>Deep shit for a loli porn thread

Well, technically it's an Incognitymous thread, so anything Incognitymous related is relevant.
No.209260
Anonymous
>>209255
So it's co-erced incest? That's one of my favourite fetishes. Love the mother-child ones but siblings is hot too ^_~
No.209262
Anonymous
Implied incest though, as Zuko is getting hard by seeing his sister eaten out. Wouldn't be surprised, or bothered at all, if it turned into ACTUAL incest at some point ;).
No.209266
Anonymous
Hehe sorry. Not familiar with avatar or its characters T__T
No.209271
Anonymous
>>209270

>>209255
>Yeah, nothing serious. Pretty much got the entire situation resolved

Readmore
No.209274
Anonymous
>>209272
It's a play on "lurkmore", ironyfag
No.209278
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for page 3 of the current comic of Azula and gang. Just one more page to go. This page took so much more time than the others due to angles and paneling and such. For some reason this one also just took forever for me to decide on a layout. Oh well, at least got it done before the day was over, if not by much.

>>209258
>What flavor? I need to know for future reference in regards to harmless food jokes. Also to send through mail, but it has nothing to do with you. Cough.

Was Cookies and Cream, although the flavor doesn't matter because I choose at random between like 6 options. I'll replace it soon enough, just don't want to make a trip for it.

>>209261
>There's no incest (so far) in this comic since Mai and Zuko aren't related, just like Azula and Tai Lee aren't either. I'd say the topic for this comic is voyeurism.

Yeah, sadly no time/space for it to go that way. Only have 4 pages to work with, and Ty Lee/Azula then Zuko/Mai was part of the request. As mentioned before though I do have hopes to do a full comic one day of Zuko/Azula, followed by a longer comic of all three. That would be a top priority after a Ben 10 comic followed by a Jack/Katie Power Pack comic, but time doesn't seem to be presenting itself to do so.

>>209270
>Everything alright, incog?

Yeah, this page just took a minute for the reasons mentioned above. It just gave me a lot of trouble that I had to tough through so the update is a bit late.
No.209281
Anonymous
>>209278
This is so hot incog! Love it when you get straight down to business.
No.209282
Anonymous
>>209278
Yay loli orgy.
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Anonymous
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>>209278
>(2)There's no incest (so far) in this comic since Mai and Zuko aren't related, just like Azula and Tai Lee aren't either. I'd say the topic for this comic is voyeurism.

>Yeah, sadly no time/space for it to go that way. Only have 4 pages to work with, and Ty Lee/Azula then Zuko/Mai was part of the request.

Pity because it'd really be a typical Azula powerplay to get Mai fucked by Zuko and then stop just before either of them had an orgasm and order a switch so she could claim the cumshot for herself.

Maybe it's even the origin story of Mai's flat affect. "Gee, Mai, my brother was only inside me for ten seconds before exploding, but you were with him for five minutes and nothing. What's wrong with your pussy? Oh, relax, I'm just kidding. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with your pussy. It's probably just how obviously you were enjoying it. It shows desperation, and that's never attractive."
No.209292
Anonymous
>>209289
>The fact that it isn't incest doesn't make the comic worse in any way.

I think you'll find that you're incorrect.

Look, the request is the request and that's fine. But an incest ending would be far more in the spirit of the show and characters (I mean, assuming open perversion was added to the spirit) so it's only natural people mention it.
No.209296
Anonymous
Replies:>>209305
>>209294
>Dude, don't give us the "spirit of the show". Avatar tLoA was about many things like romance, friendship, redemption... even politics! But they never teased the incest.

Except that scene where Azula comes to her brother in his bedroom and even the voice actress said she was playing it as a seduction. I mean, obviously they didn't do anything outright, it's a kid's show, but there sure was some subtext, and if you snapped your fingers and put it into a world where it could get away with being outright kinky porn, then yes, Azula/Zuko sex would have probably been canon. With other siblings in the show, not necessarily... you could go that way if you were making a porn parody, but it'd be a stretch... but with those two, I'm sorry, it makes more sense within the storyline than not. (And also in the "of course they teased the incest" category... in Korra there was the scene where they made a point of saying that Eska and Desna shared a single bedroom when they booked a hotel. "Desna sleeps in the tub" my ass.)

And beyond that even if you don't think incest itself was hinted at, which makes more sense: Young Azula manipulating things so her friend and her brother both get what they secretly want and both enjoy an angst-free first time while Azula watches happily and not caring about the possibility that they could hook up and form a unit that doesn't involve her, or Azula manipulating things so that her friend and brother start to get what they want but then having to submit to her will again and make everything be all about her pleasure? If you chose the first one, you just don't know Azula.

This is all completely aside from the request. The request is as it is, and it should stay as it is, even if a pairing was wildly out of character. But because these requests are of characters we're all familiar with, sometimes we, as fans, find it fun to guess at or suggest (not in a "change it to this" way but more like discussing "wouldn't this be also be a fun tack with these characters") ways the story could go. That's all. It's no big deal. And if it hadn't been for one anon saying "I don't understand why you want all his comics to end with incest?" (hey, guess what, I don't, I'm talking about this comic and this comic alone... and in this case, because it makes more sense with the characters) then it would have just been that and ignored except by people who liked the mental image of the alternate outcome.
No.209299
Anonymous
Replies:>>209305
>>209298
>I'd say that all Azula ever wanted was to get rid of Zuko since he was the older (I think?) which meant that he would inherit the throne instead of her. She tried by the psychological way and I’d say she succeeded since Zuko got exiled due to his irresponsible behavior before the events of the series.

This is getting into a huge tangent but I think Azula's feelings were a lot more complicated towards Zuko than that. After all, if she JUST wanted to kill him, she didn't have to keep her word when she promised to let him come home in the crystal cave if he betrayed Iroh. And sometimes she seemed like she was genuinely trying to help him, or warn him of danger, even if she did it in a self-serving and bratty way. Though yes, she did also try to kill him several times.

Honestly, I think Azula wanted to come first, with everyone. With her father, with her brother, with her friends, even with her mother. And when she doesn't get that, she can't handle it and reacts poorly and even murderously. But she does love them in a twisted dominant way. I think incest would be a way she would try to be first with Zuko, if she thought he was into it (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ozai used her sexually). Again, kids show, never going to happen on camera, but if this was a GoT style HBO animated series, it'd be a pretty valid path, especially because Zuko is just built on shame and guilt and that would only add to that.
No.209302
Anonymous
>>209289
>I don't understand why you want every single one of Incog's comics to end in incest

It's kind of his thing- loli + incest- that's why clueless me assumed it was. Loli and incest are the two hottest things to specialise in XD
No.209305
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Here is the sketch for the final page of the loli Azula and gang request. Another page that took me a while longer to get plotted out. Put way too much on each page, to the point that I may as well have just added a couple more pages, but it is what it is. Will start on lines next.

>>209284
>Pity because it'd really be a typical Azula powerplay to get Mai fucked by Zuko and then stop just before either of them had an orgasm and order a switch so she could claim the cumshot for herself.
>
>Maybe it's even the origin story of Mai's flat affect. "Gee, Mai, my brother was only inside me for ten seconds before exploding, but you were with him for five minutes and nothing. What's wrong with your pussy? Oh, relax, I'm just kidding. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with your pussy. It's probably just how obviously you were enjoying it. It shows desperation, and that's never attractive."

As the next person stated, that's quite a bit of dialog to get into. It may not seem like it when typing it out, but putting it into comic form requires a lot more effort. That dialog alone could easily be turned into up to 2 pages, assuming we gave room for Mai's responses to Azula's statements.

>>209289
>I don't understand why you want every single one of Incog's comics to end in incest. If the request was Azula/TL & Mai/Zuko then you guys have to roll with it. The fact that it isn't incest doesn't make the comic worse in any way.

While true, there is no reason I cannot at least try to hint to it at the end.

>>209290
>Ew.
>You have just lost a ton of respect to me, Incog! I'll bombard your house with strawberry icecream!
>*where is my catapult?*

Sadly strawberry is not a flavor available in the cheap tubs I buy. Closest I could get is Neapolitan, but even those tend to be primarily chocolate/vanilla with a much smaller portion of strawberry.

>>209298
>Incog has only 4 pages to work with and, while that’s enough for 2 characters, it’s a little too small for 4 characters. In my opinion, I don’t think Incog will nor should include any Azula/Zuko in the last page mostly due to lack of space.

Much truth in this statement. Trying to fit a significant amount of both Azula and Zuko/Mai in each page already gave me enough trouble. Trying to fit Azula/Zuko in would have been impossible.

>>209299
>Honestly, I think Azula wanted to come first, with everyone. With her father, with her brother, with her friends, even with her mother. And when she doesn't get that, she can't handle it and reacts poorly and even murderously. But she does love them in a twisted dominant way.

I believe this is the case. Azula was truly hurt when her mother called her a monster, which they further touched upon in the comics. The problem is that Azula always sought her father's approval, which was easily obtained with her natural talent at Firebending. Maintaining her father's approval required her to act the way she did, so it became a natural thing for her. Her father, which also meant the leading authority of her nation, reinforced this mentality into her, so it is easy to see how she could end up the way she did. She was even proven to be mentally unstable in the end as a result, with her finally snapping when her father showed he had no intention of including her in his goals. With her mother missing, Zuko leaving, and then her father, whom was the only person she sought actual respect from, abandoning her, she had nothing left.

While they had their bickering as children, there were moments in flashbacks where they were shown to get along as children, such as them chasing each other around the yard while laughing. You could even tell by the look on Azula's face when her mother pulled her away for what she said to Zuko in the incident that caused her to be called a "monster" that she had no idea what she was being punished for. She had a look of worry/confusion as soon as her mother grabbed her. It was later proven in the comics that Ozai intentionally abused Zuko for reasons related to his mother, which with Azula trying to gain her father's approval, would have rubbed off on her and become "appropriate" behavior. Despite that, she did still show signs of wanting to bring Zuko back home and have him rule in the Fire Nation with her, so that does show in some way that she still cared for him.

>>209296
>With other siblings in the show, not necessarily... you could go that way if you were making a porn parody, but it'd be a stretch...

Well, one thing I've always like about Sokka/Katara is their seclusion before meeting Aang. I've always wanted to do a comic touching up on the fact that they were about 14 and 15 before meeting Aang, with no other teens in their age range. Katara had no other options for men period, which would have left her with only Sokka as an option. Given they were at about the prime "horny teenager" age range, some experimentation between the two could be expected without being too much of a stretch.
No.209306
Anonymous
Replies:>>209326
I love the pacing of it. Events escalated but to a believable degree. The dialogue has a lot to do with this. You're great at dirty talk too incog, let's see more of that ;)
No.209307
Anonymous
Replies:>>209326
>>209305
Sassy, sexy boss-bitch. Reminds me of a certain redhead.
No.209311
Anonymous
>>209309
That's incog taking liberties with the story though. He knows how best to propel it with action and dialogue and sometimes the number of players can dictate this. So it's never gratuitous, like the unnecessary inclusion of the other Justice League members in BvS.
No.209317
Anonymous
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>>209305
Hey Incog, figured I'd ask here, but there was a Power Pack thread on /co/ and someone brought up those text edits, which I know you did a picture based off of those. Did you also do the edits, or was that someone else?
No.209319
Anonymous
>>209318
Doesn't it say in Incog's clause that he doesn't do no freaky deaky shit?
No.209320
Anonymous
>>209317
Incog doesn't edit. Doesn't have to!
No.209322
Anonymous
>>209321
Yeah I was quipping back. I'm curious as well :3
No.209323
Anonymous
>>209305
Lolis, dirty talk, cum splatter. Today is a good day.
No.209326
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209331
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Here are the lines for page 1 of the current Fire Nation lolis request. Background details are saved for color stage so they will not be included in lines. Will line page 2 next, although I made a quick sketch that this comic made me feel like doing since I couldn't fit them together in the comic.

>>209306
>I love the pacing of it. Events escalated but to a believable degree. The dialogue has a lot to do with this. You're great at dirty talk too incog, let's see more of that ;)

Thanks. The pacing really was the difficult part, especially given there was separate interaction going on simultaneously and I had to fit it all in 4 pages. Glad I was able to work it out, even though it made it take an exceptionally long time.

>>209307
>Sassy, sexy boss-bitch. Reminds me of a certain redhead.

That really is the great part of loli Azula. I really do need to do more of her.

>>209308
>Huh... I'm thinking Incog should be the requester rather than the artist. These are some cool concepts.

Well, hopefully one day I can be both. I have been considering some ideas to do an overhaul of my Patreon for such a purpose, but still not able to set on anything.

>>209312
>In a moist scale for this comic, I'm giving it a Garnier, because the firenation team is something fresh and new, and every page was made with 24 hours in between to make sure we stay moist longer.

Well, technically they were all done in about 2 days, so less than 24 hours between pages, but close enough I suppose.

>>209315
>Well, a little strawberry is better than no strawberry at all. There's some redemption for your taste buds! Now here comes the critical question: Would you add nuts to that ice cream?

While true, I do also just choose my flavors randomly while at the store. I'm not a very picky eater and very rarely have solid preferences.

>>209316
>It's 31 now! How are the guaranteed requests? Did you fill up all the slots? Did someone request something unusual?

Seem full so far, but we'll know for sure when payments begin to process on the first, which is when I plan to start them.

>>209317
>Hey Incog, figured I'd ask here, but there was a Power Pack thread on /co/ and someone brought up those text edits, which I know you did a picture based off of those. Did you also do the edits, or was that someone else?

The edits were someone else, I simply did stuff following the edits. Funny enough, I saw those edits before ever actually seeing the comics.

>>209318
>I smell dicknipples.

Sooo...do those smell more like dicks or more like nipples?

>>209324
>Hey, Incog. What will happen if Ty Lee stops sucking before Azula is done?
>
>Aggresive spanking?

Lets just say there will be some discomfort walking afterwards...or sitting...or doing just about anything that involves the lower part of her body.
No.209327
Incognitymous
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Here is the random sketch I felt like doing.
No.209330
Anonymous
>>209327
Whoah thank you!
No.209331
Anonymous
Replies:>>209347
>>209326
Your lolis are mouth-watering incog dayumm!
No.209333
Anonymous
Replies:>>209347
>>209327
Azula sure is a lovable little psycho.

>>209305

This ending just makes me want more. You hurt me man.
No.209334
Anonymous
>>209327

I love your random sketches so much. You should do one after every request to rest instead of moving on to another one.
No.209338
Anonymous
Replies:>>209347
>>209327
Question about your Jab archive gallery, why isn't the Jack and Julie extortion comic under the comics section?
No.209340
Anonymous
>>209334

^ he has so many amazing ideas that he doesn't get enough time to make so he could just do a quick sketch of any of his ideas to rest from requests.
No.209347
Incognitymous
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Here are the lines for page 2 of the Fire Nation lolis comic. Will line page 3 next after a short break.

>>209328
>Weirdly enough, they smell like asscheeks. Don't ask.

Then ask I shall not.

>>209329
>Is that so? Then the moist rate is degraded to a Neutrogena because you need to apply it twice a day for it to work.

Well, these don't need to be applied twice a day, but they do offer that option.

>>209331
>Your lolis are mouth-watering incog dayumm!

Thanks. That is in a way what I aim for.

>>209333
>This ending just makes me want more. You hurt me man.

I feel the same way. I've actually been considering ways to revise my Patreon for such a reason. While it's fun doing these small projects, it is getting tiresome not being able to dedicate the time into larger projects that I would like to. Even this short comic was something I really would have liked to turn into something smaller, but time constraints restrict that since I have other things I have to do. I just can't think of any other way my Patreon could be run to give incentives without a pay wall of some sort.

>>209334
>I love your random sketches so much. You should do one after every request to rest instead of moving on to another one.

I wish that were possible, but sketches can only be reserved for if the time is available toward the final week or so of a month.

>>209338
>Question about your Jab archive gallery, why isn't the Jack and Julie extortion comic under the comics section?

Well, I intended only things 5 pages or more to go there, but while doing the Naruto x Sarada comic I was placing a lot of images in between updates. Since Jab does not offer the option to reorganize said files without deleting/uploading them again, or by moving them into a different folder, I just made a new folder and put them into it. I'll probably just put all comics there from now on for that reason, just haven't gotten to moving older ones.

>>209342
>Incog isn't drawing under gunpoint. He can do whatever he wants.

Not really true. Having bills to pay is a pretty close equivalent to gunpoint.
No.209350
Anonymous
Replies:>>209353
>>209347

How about instead of people asking for something specifically, they can ask for a show or some characters and you do whatever ideas you have for that show or the characters. Like for example someone would do a $10 request for Ben 10 with Gwen and Ben, you can do any ideas you had for Ben and Gwen in a comic like before. And just keep the guaranteed requests, that way, more people would pay more for the guaranteed requests to get what they want specifically.
No.209352
Anonymous
Replies:>>209353
>>209348
Pretty sure he sees the bright side chief. He just meant that paying bills sucks.
No.209353
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209367
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Just feel like answering a couple things after noticing a comment in response to a typo.

>>209348
>Even though you aren't drawing what you want, you're still drawing something you like and getting some money off it. Try to see the bright side of it.

Yeah, I see the bright side. It's not like I completely dislike the current situation; it's just that I'd like to somehow find a method to use Patreon to fund me making larger projects as opposed to a bunch of little ones. I've been thinking of cutting off new $1/$5/$10 requests indefinitely, then going through and completing all of the requests that currently exist, as long as the requester remains a patron when I get to it. I feel this would best allow me to do a complete overhaul of my entire setup without anyone feeling ripped off that they didn't benefit from the current system while they were contributing. This would also help to avoid a decline as much as possible while I cleared it out. I could then completely revamp the page in a more suitable way, but the one thing holding me back is I Just cannot think of a good incentive system without setting up a paywall.

I want to give something in return, but I'd like to have a page setup in a way to let me do more extensive projects, like many of the comic-based Patreon creators that I see. I cannot afford to do a complete change and not have many pledgers given my current situation, so I'm thinking of dipping into the transition phase mentioned to clear out requests while I hope other people's situations become a bit more stable (someone here just got a new job that pays way more, for example, so that should help with money soon). We'll see how I go, but I will think more about the transition idea throughout the month since October is the time for the new request post.

>>209349
>Even this short comic was something I really would have liked to turn into something smaller,
>Why didn't you talked to the requester about it if you didn't like the idea?

I actually completely messed up typing that. I meant to say I would have liked to turn it into something bigger, not smaller. I didn't make it bigger due to time restraints, and the fact that I already have a bigger project going on that it's difficult to find time to get to. The problem is that I like a lot of the ideas requested, and I always find myself wanting to stretch the request on so much more than my set limitation, but I'm now having to acknowledge that just doesn't work in my system.

>>209350
>How about instead of people asking for something specifically, they can ask for a show or some characters and you do whatever ideas you have for that show or the characters. Like for example someone would do a $10 request for Ben 10 with Gwen and Ben, you can do any ideas you had for Ben and Gwen in a comic like before. And just keep the guaranteed requests, that way, more people would pay more for the guaranteed requests to get what they want specifically.

I would definitely have to utilize the guaranteed requests to keep my page going while I transition my page over, especially since they're the bulk of my monthly payout. Letting patrons throw ideas and then vote on what projects I tackle sounds like one thing I'd like to utilize, but at the same time it just doesn't work for a monthly deal if it then becomes a larger project than what I can do in a single month along with guaranteed requests. If I'm holding such things once a month, or once every two months, etc., it just seems like very little incentive to be a patron for such little input. I am still considering options, but for now I cannot think of anything outside of removing the current system and just relying on donations/guaranteed requests to free up time to do bigger things that I'd rather get to.

I feel that things will actually work out in the current system if I wait it out, since a lot of the workload is self-imposed by my past promise to knock out certain requests, and I did already adjust the $10 tier to free up a lot of time once the grandfathered stuff is knocked out. I'm just concerned about the future is all, and don't want to be stuck in a situation where I have to move between projects so much. The $10 tier has been the problem, really, so if things don't balance out I am thinking that is the tier I would have to close/revamp. Short comics do eat up a lot of time, and I'd much rather comic making at this point be random one-shot ideas that get my attention, and/or to larger projects in general.

>>209352
>Pretty sure he sees the bright side chief. He just meant that paying bills sucks.

This. As mentioned before, I definitely don't hate my current situation, and find it rather enjoyable in fact, just mentioning the fact that I'd like to work on changing it to something where I can dedicate myself to projects as opposed to feeling limited to minimizing them so I can move on to the next one. I just feel I would enjoy that much more, and I feel I'd be able to make much more content that way, albeit a bit more focused on a specific thing for larger periods of time.
No.209360
Anonymous
Replies:>>209364
>>209347
Guess people could request a sequel, and you could just do it if you felt like it.
No.209364
Incognitymous
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Here are the lines for page 3 of the Fire Nation lolis request. Will attempt to line page 4 before bed, just to have it done before I make the new September post tomorrow (technically today). I will then begin on guaranteed requests and move on from there.

>>209354
>This. Otherwise, people can create multiple patreons, make multiple requests and then quit before the month ends, leaving you with a bulk of request that in truth were never paid. Although does this means that an older request gets priority?

Well, older requests already generally get priority. I try to stick with requests that were posted sooner than later, primarily so that requests that have been around longer are more likely to get attention. Pretty much if I decide to go the route mentioned, I would probably create a post and PM all current patrons on my Patreon page letting them know of the upcoming change, update pledge rewards, then make a new request post of each tier just for repeat requests to be posted in. I would then shoot through and knock them all out, however long that would take, before making any further changes to the system. As long as they remain a patron their request would be handled in the order requests were received.

>>209357
>Dang it. See Incog? If you hadn't eaten that cream and cookies icecream this wouldn't have happened.

Well, technically I didn't get to eat it. The entire bin was eaten during said drug situation before I got to even open it. Said person went on such a huge food binge that they ate my entire 160 oz. tub of ice cream in less than 10 hours, as well as pretty much everything else edible in the kitchen, leaving me to smack a bitch afterwards.

>>209360
>Guess people could request a sequel, and you could just do it if you felt like it.

Well, problem with that is that I would be doing only one person's request for multiple months, leaving others pledging with no chance of having their request done until I finished that one. I've done that by extending previous requests and I just didn't like the feel. It's for that reason that I change the $10 pledge restrictions and have to remain more adamant about them.

>>209362
>Hey Incog, which one of the guaranteed requests are you going to do first?
>By the way, I think the payments aren't fully completed until the 5th, or so says Patreon.

Not exactly sure which I am going to do first since I need to double-check the order and make my list after they process. The thing is though that I may not do them in order. I'm thinking that I will put them all in a list, but then sketch loosely until I get ideas that really match with whichever request I am thinking of. I do this often when I have a list of stuff to get to, such as when I am doing the calendar pieces each month; sometimes I make a thumbnail that looks good, and meets the criteria I am going for, but I really feel it matches something else a whole lot better. Generally I will set it aside for the later piece, or start on that one right away, then try again for something that better matches what I was currently going for. Since I seem to have 9 guaranteed requests to go for next month this is something I may do.

Also, yes, I'm well aware that payments are not fully complete until the 5th. This is also the date they will automatically pay out your balance if you opt into that option. Patreon attempts to charge everyone starting at some time on the first, and will continue to attempt to process failed/declined payments up until the 5th, in which it gives up and lists the patron as a failed/declined payment. That is how I am aware of it at least.
No.209367
Anonymous
>>209353
>it's just that I'd like to somehow find a method to use Patreon to fund me making larger projects as opposed to a bunch of little ones... I'd like to work on changing it to something where I can dedicate myself to projects as opposed to feeling limited to minimizing them so I can move on to the next one. I just feel I would enjoy that much more

We'll get you there incog. How about smashing a few more requests... then spending the entirety of next month doing passion projects. Advertise it now. Thank everyone for their continued patronage then warn them that you'll be spending October getting started on 'Personal Project X' and that no requests will be done for that month. Sell it to your patrons as 30 days of you cutting loose and pursuing your creative interests, telling the stories that you've always wanted to draw. Worst case the $100's pull out for it but I doubt they'd want to loose their coveted position in that elite tier. Pretty sure everyone else will stick around too, they really are literally giving you their spare change for that single month.
No.209369
Anonymous
>>209368
I would say this form of business is different since Incog has dedicated fans. Art is not ordinary goods and services.
No.209370
Anonymous
>>209367
Dumb idea. He needs to provide what he provides to have patrons in the first place. He tried using his patreon like a simple tip jar and he made only a quarter of what he makes off it now. Its his only source of income so he can't just "cut loose".
No.209373
Anonymous
Replies:>>209374
>>209370
I'd support him in that month of creative freedom. Heck it's only a dollar.
No.209374
Incognitymous
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Here are the lines for the final page of the Fire Nation lolis request. Will start on guaranteed requests tomorrow, but I do have a doctor appointment to get someone to after I wake up so it may be a little later in the day than I would like.

>>209365
>Next time buy food that doesn’t combine in any possible way. Doing so, it’s very likely that only 50% of your food will get eaten. Although now that I think about it, that person could end up with a stomach flu.

That's already what I do. I don't mix things in any way outside of cereal and milk. When I eat carrots, I just eat carrots. When I eat a cucumber, I just grab the cucumber and start eating it whole. I don't really eat anything that needs to be mixed/cooked. I will eat pretty much anything put in front of me as long as it is food and have little to no preference on what I actually eat. If not for the fact that eating is a necessity I would never do it, which is why it sucks that I have such a high metabolism that I need a lot of calories to get by. The reason that all food ran out was said person ate like 15 pounds of food a day, which I am completely shocked they even survived that. Heck, the ice cream alone was a 10 pound tub, and they cleared it in less than 10 hours, on top of other food. It's crazy what drugs can enable a person to do.

>>209365
>There is also the whole government rule about moving huge amounts of money in a short period of time. It wouldn’t surprise me that they split the money between days and now they say the fifth but in the end they finish the seventh with some creators. I know that I haven’t been charged yet.

Not too sure on that whole deal, but wouldn't be surprised. I am sure there are a large multitude of reasons for the way they handling processing, I'm just not going to go through the trouble of figuring it all out.

>>209366
>Nobody has mentioned Zuko's foreskin, so I won't either.

Well it's a good thing you didn't mention it. There could have been some discussion or something if you did.

>>209367
>We'll get you there incog. How about smashing a few more requests... then spending the entirety of next month doing passion projects. Advertise it now. Thank everyone for their continued patronage then warn them that you'll be spending October getting started on 'Personal Project X' and that no requests will be done for that month. Sell it to your patrons as 30 days of you cutting loose and pursuing your creative interests, telling the stories that you've always wanted to draw. Worst case the $100's pull out for it but I doubt they'd want to loose their coveted position in that elite tier. Pretty sure everyone else will stick around too, they really are literally giving you their spare change for that single month.

Can't really afford that, especially on the $50/$100 slots. I can't make spontaneous moves with bills depending on my payout. I'm not really upset about this, as I just think of the dedicated time as work, I just feel I should revise the system to make it into more of a standardized work thing in a way where I can dedicate a fair amount of personal time on other projects as well. As long as I can remain productive I know it is doable, it's just a matter of coming up with a good way to do it.

>>209370
>He needs to provide what he provides to have patrons in the first place. He tried using his patreon like a simple tip jar and he made only a quarter of what he makes off it now. Its his only source of income so he can't just "cut loose".

Pretty much this. It's not really feasible to live off of a couple hundred dollars a month, and I need to keep that fact in consideration. Given how little I spend the amount I am making now is doable, I just need to consider a fine tuning to see if I can make the same amount but make some leniency not in the amount of content produced, but rather the type of content produced.

>>209373
>I'd support him in that month of creative freedom. Heck it's only a dollar.

Problem is that at only a dollar it would take 1000 people just to make upwards of $900 given processing fees and such. Given processing fees and the fact that the guaranteed slots were grabbed primarily by existing patrons, I am now doing 5 additional full color images of 2 figures with backgrounds for an increase in profit of less than $170. I'm not all that concerned about this since I want to spend my time drawing anyway, but it is admittedly a lot of work for very little return. That increase in profit just about covers only the cost of having gas/electricity/internet, give or take a few dollars. The only reason the system is doable now is because I have other people finally contributing to expenses, dropping my own expenses a bit, but I need to keep in mind being able to separate from this situation in a year from now when everyone is hopefully stable enough for me to get the hell away from it all.
No.209384
Anonymous
>>209374

I don't really know how patreon works, but maybe you could do requests for 3 weeks a month and do whatever you want in the last week of the month?
No.209396
Anonymous
I got this off from my FB page:

>Patreon will no longer allow fan art, or work in general of copyrighted works you do not own or do not have written permission to use, to be monetized, in their new policy changes. I do not know how iron-clad they will uphold this, as fan art is what most visual pieces of art people sell on Patreon.

Really worried, now..... and this just as Youtube re-enforced the policy of not monetizing videos that contains sexual or violent content and swearing and the like.
No.209399
Anonymous
>>209374
Love your stories incog, and this one is another masterpiece.
No.209400
Anonymous
>>209384
I suggested this in an earlier thread too. Might be more feasible than my other 'month of cutting loose' idea.
No.209401
Anonymous
>>209396
Good thing incog had the foresight to see this coming.
No.209403
Anonymous
Replies:>>209407
>>209402
>Without going any further, I myself would've never had any interest in cartoons like Ben10 or Avatar if it weren't because Incog's rule34 pics got my attention.

I'm in this boat too. I now watch Ben 10 just to perv on Gwen. But I saw her naked first thanks to incog XD
No.209405
Anonymous
>>209396
I don't think that is a real rule. I check Patreon help center and all I could find under copyright was dmca takedown. Nothing on fan work no longer being allow. The dmca date back 6 month ago. I don't think any smart person should believe FB. Since FB is social site not a reliable source of information. Patreon would be going againist what makes them so much better than gofundme and all those other sites. Here a link to the question on Patreon "What is Patreon?" basically tells you that their okay with fanart. Why do you think they have nsfw section.

https://patreon.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204606315-What-is-Patreon-
No.209407
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for my first guaranteed request, which is also the most complicated request so glad it was the first one on the list. Will sketch out the next one while I wait for feedback from the requester. As mentioned, posting was late due to doctor/medical center visits that had to be taken care of for someone today. There were other details concerning backdrop and such, but as with the Zatanna performance request, said details will be saved for the color stage. Also, I messed up a little bit and added the belt on Viper (didn't think while I was going off of the character reference provided), so since it was not part of the request, and outfit details were quite specific, it will be removed unless the requester requests otherwise.

>>209384
>I don't really know how patreon works, but maybe you could do requests for 3 weeks a month and do whatever you want in the last week of the month?

Well I'm hoping things will balance themselves out as I get the backlog of stuff out of the way, but for now I really have to dedicate as many weeks as it takes to get done. It shouldn't be too bad at that point, I just wanted to bring up things I am considering so that it doesn't seem like something I impulsively decided on if I choose to make any changes. If I have any thoughts whatsoever about doing so I feel like discussing it here.

>>209389
>The sooner you begin doing that, the less you have to grandfather.

While true, I also don't want to act too fast without giving it too much thought. Seeing as how my page doesn't really seem to have any real influx of patrons I do not feel it will be a concern to wait a month or so.

>>209392
>Define paywall.

Pretty much forcing people to pay to see content, even if just earlier than others that do not pay. I've always posted my stuff free for everyone and would like to keep it that way.

>>209396
>I got this off from my FB page:
>
>>Patreon will no longer allow fan art, or work in general of copyrighted works you do not own or do not have written permission to use, to be monetized, in their new policy changes. I do not know how iron-clad they will uphold this, as fan art is what most visual pieces of art people sell on Patreon.
>
>Really worried, now..... and this just as Youtube re-enforced the policy of not monetizing videos that contains sexual or violent content and swearing and the like.

Well, in all technicality I am not monetizing any specific works I do not own. This sort of concern is why I did not want to make any Loli Club banners and such for my page. Doing so would have been blatant advertising of characters I do not own for commercial purposes. I do not believe allowing people to request something for me to draw is monetizing anything I do not own, even if they request something from a copyrighted material, since I am pretty sure that asking an artist to draw a character that you like is within fair use laws. I am not commercially advertising Ben 10, or Power Pack, or any other works. There is a substantial difference between, say, hosting a Patreon page for the sole purpose of creating a series of Power Pack porn comics, versus hosting a Patreon where you will draw whatever patrons ask for.

>>209398
>Incog isn't hosting any fan art in Patreon. He's doing it in JabArchives. The only thing he does in Patreon is suggestion and discussion threads.
>
>You think the staff at Patreon are silly? They know where most their income comes from and they're gonna use as much loopholes as they can.

While this is also true, the statement does not seem to indicate that "hosting" the content be a requirement, but rather they will not "allow them to be monetized", which removes a lot of loopholes that could exist based on that wording. I do agree though that my Patreon is used solely for request/suggestion/discussion threads, so I am not monetizing anything outside of selling the service of drawing what is asked of me. If drawing characters on request was illegal, it would be very easy to go to a comic convention, or any similar event, and go after artists that are requested to draw other characters at their table. Again, marketing yourself with someone else's work is completely different from being willing to make fan art on request/commission.

>>209402
>This issue has already been addressed plenty of times in the past regarding multiple sites. Will they shut down deviantart too because artists are being commissioned there to draw copyrighted characters?
>
>The short answer, without getting into fine detail of copyright law, is that almost all of it constitutes infringement. However the profits from most of the sale of these artworks are not significant enough that Disney, Sony, whatever company wants to spend the resources to shut them down. Additionally, there's the potential for bad press if a family-friendly brand (like Disney) cracks down too hard on the little guy.
>
>Can they take legal actions against Patreon?
>Sure thing.
>
>Will they do it?
>Ah, haha. Of course not. Publicity is always good and they know it. Without going any further, I myself would've never had any interest in cartoons like Ben10 or Avatar if it weren't because Incog's rule34 pics got my attention.

Well, again, it's not quite that simple when it comes to copyrighted characters. There are fair use laws that have to be taken into account for popular trademarks. It's sort of like the situation with manga/anime translators online. If I were to purchase a Japanese manga, then go to one of the many fan-based translators online, it would be within their right to sell the service of translating that manga for me. Hosting said manga for the world to read is where things become illegal, but not because of the copyrighted characters within the manga, but rather because the work as a whole is a copyrighted work that is not legally available for redistribution. I could post a single page/panel on a review, or give examples of the artwork on a blog, or post a few shots of my favorite character, or even draw some pictures of the main character and that would all be within fair use, as long as I am not taking credit for the creation of or personally advertising the character commercially. Uploading the entire volume, however, would be illegal regardless of intent, due to the mentioned redistribution restrictions.

>>209403
>I'm in this boat too. I now watch Ben 10 just to perv on Gwen. But I saw her naked first thanks to incog XD

Well glad I could help Cartoon Network out. Maybe I should draw some more of the Gwen reboot and help advertise the new series a bit more...just to help out.
No.209409
Anonymous
Replies:>>209412
>>209407
Neeeaaattt! Curious about what's going on here, will there be speech at all?
No.209411
Anonymous
Replies:>>209412
>>209407
>Well glad I could help Cartoon Network out. Maybe I should draw some more of the Gwen reboot and help advertise the new series a bit more...just to help out.

Haha it could get to be that way if the trend repeats itself. But I think it was largely because OS Gwen was just so freakin hot to begin with.
No.209412
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209418
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Realized I forgot to put character names on that last one. To prevent needless discussion, figured I'll do so now before jumping in the shower and starting the next sketch.

>>209409
>Neeeaaattt! Curious about what's going on here, will there be speech at all?

To be specific, it's a Marvel vs. DC, hero/villain Loli'mpics. The event is a "tag team vibrating dildo squat endurance event". The two characters on the left are the Marvel side, with the hero Black Widow (on the dildo) and the villain Viper ignoring her attempts to tag out. On the right is the DC side, with Harley Quinn and Batgirl, but in this one they risk losing for the opposite reason in that Harley is trying to cum instead of tagging out. On the bottom there will be a news-style banner crawl giving details about the event, with a separate news banner at the top. I am waiting for feedback from the requester, but I plan the background to have sort of baseball stadium style walls with banners, and then blobbed out audience shapes that are then blurred to seem like an out of focus audience.

>>209410
>Meh, after seeing two or three episodes of Alien Force, any new additions to the series completely lost my interest. Orignal Ben 10 was very good, the rest were just bad.
>
>Assuming the two on he right are Harley and Batgirl, who are the two on the left?

Hey, I agree, but even bad additions can have cute characters/situations. Although there is a lot of hate on new Gwen, as I mentioned before, I feel she looks great as the submissive type that completely gives in/enjoys it. Also, the two on the left are Black Widow and Viper.

>>209411
>Haha it could get to be that way if the trend repeats itself. But I think it was largely because OS Gwen was just so freakin hot to begin with.

True statement on OS Gwen, but I still feel there will be at least enough popularity in the show for there to be at least some new Gwen demand. In fact, I've had numerous people asking if I could line the ones I did prior, which I would really like to do.
No.209417
Anonymous
Replies:>>209432
>>209413
Well they'd be paying customers Incog's listening to. I doubt people outside of Patreon would get priority, and rightfully so.
No.209418
Anonymous
Replies:>>209432
>>209412
>To be specific, it's a Marvel vs. DC, hero/villain Loli'mpics. The event is a "tag team vibrating dildo squat endurance event"....

Ohhh. "Loli'mpics"!! My god you're a genius. Should make for l an interesting visual concept as a finished product.
No.209423
Pepipopo
Replies:>>209432
Whats up Incog, how do you do?
No.209428
Anonymous
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>>209407
>Well, in all technicality I am not monetizing any specific works I do not own. This sort of concern is why I did not want to make any Loli Club banners and such for my page. Doing so would have been blatant advertising of characters I do not own for commercial purposes. I do not believe allowing people to request something for me to draw is monetizing anything I do not own, even if they request something from a copyrighted material, since I am pretty sure that asking an artist to draw a character that you like is within fair use laws. I am not commercially advertising Ben 10, or Power Pack, or any other works. There is a substantial difference between, say, hosting a Patreon page for the sole purpose of creating a series of Power Pack porn comics, versus hosting a Patreon where you will draw whatever patrons ask for.

That is good to know. Carry on and keep up the good work, Incog!
No.209430
Anonymous
>>209419
I wasn't being rude at incog, or anyone actually. What the shit are you babbling on about, son
No.209432
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for the second guaranteed request. This one was of my typical girls, specifically a request of Wilykit jumping Wilykat, along with any 2 of the other girls, with Cindy and Katie being the 2 preferred names mentioned so of course I went with them. The theme was that it looks like a sort of slumber party where they decide to jump Wilykat in sexy pajamas. Wanted to show how Katie is the most vicious assailant around so of course she had to be included; someone has to keep that mighty tail in check. Cindy had to be included since her and Kit have some good chemistry going.

>>209413
>Well, as long as it is because you feel like doing so and it isn't because people insist about it. Otherwise, the sooner people think that insisting gets somewhere the sooner you’ll have this filled up with “Incog do my request! Incog do this pairing! Incog, when are you going to do this!” and your head will most likely blow up and stain everything with icecream.

Yeah, I'd like to do so, although I still have a few comic pages from the past that I'd like to line as well. The Ben 10 pieces would be much easier though. I agree that constantly insisting doesn't generally motivate me, but showing regular interest does let me know where demand is. I'm talking regular interest as in maybe once a thread, just to let me know the interest is still there, and not so much the same request once every few messages.

>>209417
>Well they'd be paying customers Incog's listening to. I doubt people outside of Patreon would get priority, and rightfully so.

I do like to also listen to /pco/ at least as much as I can afford, although it is true that I have to place more priority in paying customers. When I decided to randomly do the Loud House pics I was just going to focus primarily Lucy and Lynn, but being politely asked to give other characters a go made me decide to get to every sister. I also noticed comments here about lining the Ben 10 Reboot sketches here first, and then being asked by a regular patron on Patreon gave me more motivation to do so. Also, when doing Patreon requests, I am often open to comments from /pco/ as to content/themes to include in requests, or even slight changes to make during the sketch phase, assuming the request does not contradict the original conditions.

>>209418
>Ohhh. "Loli'mpics"!! My god you're a genius. Should make for l an interesting visual concept as a finished product.

Well, the genius on that goes to the requester. It was quite a detailed request, from the person that requested the Zatanna performance last month. There are a lot of details, so it will likely take the most time again, but oh well. A request is a request.

>>209419
>If you think that paying someone gives you the right of being rude at him with annoying repetitive messages like mentioned above, dude you'll be a perfect stereotypical boss.

Well I haven't had any cases of this yet. Also, if I felt a patron was being overbearing in any way I could just remove/block their account from my Patreon.

>>209420
>Honestly Incog, that's a very inadequate morality. I don’t think that anyone would blame you for uploading your works publicly a week later. However, you’d have quite an increase in the $1 pool. You’ve already given a no to this idea in the past but I wanted to remind you now that the situation is slightly different.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people that utilize paywalls. I fully understand the rationale behind it and would never accuse anyone of anything bad by utilizing it. I simply don't like the idea of setting one up myself. Being someone that has always been on the bottom end financially I have just grown to prefer the "free to play" model.

>>209423
>Whats up Incog, how do you do?

Hey, Pepi. Things are going alright so far, but we'll see how that is in a week or so. For not just trying to shoot through guaranteed requests as quickly as possible.
No.209433
Pepipopo
I am trying my luck over at patreon as well, but after reading some recent news, i am making some small adjustments to be safe, just to let you know, and i opened a new threadh for my works here

>>209422
No.209434
Anonymous
Replies:>>209435
>>209433
Thanks Pepi. Good luck with the new business!
No.209435
Pepipopo
Replies:>>209463
>>209434

I need some suggestions tough, i am following a good friend of mine and great artists who uploads previews of his works (all of them Censored) and only shares the pictures via e-mail, however i read in this thread that the SJWs are forcing a change in law so that patreon removes fanart now!

My friend has been on Patreon for some time now and he is fine, and i am not sure how many artists there follow the same method, but i am still new to this place.

https://www.patreon.com/centerthep
No.209436
Anonymous
Replies:>>209463
>>209432
Loli club slumber party's been a long time coming >__<
No.209437
Anonymous
>>209432
Shota gangbang. Nice.
No.209438
Anonymous
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>>209432
Kat you lucky son of a bitch..
No.209441
Pepipopo
>>209439
How do i do that?
No.209442
Anonymous
>>209432
This would be unbearable, especially with sister personally taking me into her mouth like that for me to shoot my sperm deep inside her body, where it belongs.
No.209443
Anonymous
Replies:>>209463
>>209432

What comics from the past would you like to line? I can't remeber any that weren't.
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Anonymous
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>>209407
>>209432
Man these are so hot
No.209453
Anonymous
Replies:>>209463
I'm sorry but I can't take the kittens licking anything seriously because of cats' sand paper tongues
No.209457
Anonymous
>>209432

Between Katie hugging the tail and Harley's big ole crazy face. I'd say these last two pictures are homeruns.

I could see a spin off of this where Wilykat gets mad at Katie because she treats him like a cat and not a person. That could be rather amusing. Prob don't have time for that but something to keep in mind.
No.209463
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for the next guaranteed request. This time the request was for humanized Nicole and Anais going cowgirl on Darwin and Gumball. Will do the last 4 character sketch next (which will actually be done in multiple images), then move on to sketching the 2 character requests.

>>209436
>Loli club slumber party's been a long time coming >__<

Yes. Yes it has.

>>209443
>What comics from the past would you like to line? I can't remeber any that weren't.

Well I have several Katara/Sokka pages sketches, plus a page of Jade and Jackie from Jackie Chan: Adventures. I just keep forgetting about them.

>>209453
>I'm sorry but I can't take the kittens licking anything seriously because of cats' sand paper tongues

Hey, they are more human than cat, so I'd say there's a good chance they don't have that tongue texture, or it's at least smoother.

>>209457
>Between Katie hugging the tail and Harley's big ole crazy face. I'd say these last two pictures are homeruns.
>
>I could see a spin off of this where Wilykat gets mad at Katie because she treats him like a cat and not a person. That could be rather amusing. Prob don't have time for that but something to keep in mind.

Thanks. Just drawing the characters as I feel appropriate. I wouldn't really picture Wilykat getting upset at Katie in any way, given his playful personality. Wilykit/Wilykat also don't actually look like cats in any way, at least in my opinion (puffy tails, no cat ears, symmetrical, non-cat like fur patterns), so I'd picture Katie more being into the fluffy tail than treating them like cats.

>>209433
>I am trying my luck over at patreon as well, but after reading some recent news, i am making some small adjustments to be safe, just to let you know, and i opened a new threadh for my works here

Yeah, it's always best to play it safe. If you find something questionable it's generally safer to just not do it or to research the question/ask support directly. As for posting your works to be linked to Patreon, I'd suggest getting a gallery somewhere like I have at Jab Archives to link to as opposed to posting at a message board like this. It's fine to post here, and I'd encourage it if you have fans here, but if you're going to link to what you post I'd suggest something a little more stable than an anonymous message board.

>>209435
>I need some suggestions tough, i am following a good friend of mine and great artists who uploads previews of his works (all of them Censored) and only shares the pictures via e-mail, however i read in this thread that the SJWs are forcing a change in law so that patreon removes fanart now!
>
>My friend has been on Patreon for some time now and he is fine, and i am not sure how many artists there follow the same method, but i am still new to this place.
>
>https://www.patreon.com/centerthep

I'd be careful uploading previews. With the current policy of not being allowed to monetize copyrighted characters, I would not post thumbnails of characters you do not own on your page. Having a bunch of thumbnails for copyrighted characters could be seen as advertising/marketing those characters, so I'd be reluctant to do so. It's fine to draw popular characters that your patrons would like to see, just be careful in how you display them. If you do want to post thumbnails of copyrighted characters, just be sure to add a disclaimer to the thumbnail indicating who the character is and who owns it. Something like, "This is an image of Gwen Tennyson from Ben 10. Ben 10 and Gwen Tennyson are owned by Cartoon Network. This is unofficial art and I am in no way affiliated with Cartoon Network." At least adding a disclaimer like that shows no intent of marketing the characters as your own, so if action was taken it would be a warning at most.
No.209465
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Missed a message I felt like responding to.

>>209440
>I didn't mean that. It's an inadequate morality from a cold calculating economic point of view, but it's not a bad morality. It's a good one and of course it gives you a good image.
>
>In regards to the picture and since the DC/MARVEL lolimpics was the most complicated, does that means this one is the 2nd most complicated? As long as patrons don't go "haha, suck it! Mine was harder!" I'd like to know for a harmless ranking.

I'm actually cold and calculating in many ways, but an economic standpoint is not one of them. I've always believed resources should be used for what people need and not as much what they want. For this reason I just don't like the idea of people having to pay to look at the images I make/post online.

As for the part I wanted to respond to but forgot to, the Marvel/DC one was most complicated simply because of specific outfit details. They are models based off of specific renditions of the characters, that are then stylized into lolis, and then specific outfit details are added, such as gloves/masks/capes/whatever specific details are requested. They have specifically colored collars with specific logos on them, and there will be a specific background setting that will require the creation of logos/signs/banners and such, which will also take some extra time, much like making the sign in the loli Zatanna piece. Not upset about this in any way, it's just that a request of, "Wilykit jumping Wilykat in a slumber party with 2 other Loli Club girls in lewd pajamas" is a much simpler request to sketch out than, "These 4 characters, modified into lolis, wearing these specific parts of their outfits, performing these actions in these poses, in this setting, etc, etc." Having very specific conditions simply requires more problem solving in the layout than just having 3 characters jumping a 4th character.
No.209466
Anonymous
Replies:>>209491
Can people stop worrying so much about the sjw for a second. The person who brought it up never show a link to it so they could just be trolling. Someone in the thread mention that patreon doesn't have any rules to stopping fanart except dmca take down if someone copy's your stuff(which many sites have). Plus I just google I don't see anything of those freaks trying to take down fanart. Their to fucking busy getting trigger by a hula girl.
No.209469
Anonymous
Replies:>>209491
>>209468
The anon only posted cause people still didn't read debunking to the myth. No need for being a smartass.
No.209478
Anonymous
>>209463
Fucking yes incog, love it when you do /ll !!!
No.209491
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for the final 4 figure request. This one was for the same character 4 times (loli Zatanna) with alterations, and will be 4 separate images in the end. Sketching it took a little longer than some of the others, but lining/coloring it will be a quicker process due to repeating layers so it works itself out. Will do the 2 figure sketches next, then begin lining/coloring everything before moving on to $1/$5/$10 requests.

>>209466
>Can people stop worrying so much about the sjw for a second. The person who brought it up never show a link to it so they could just be trolling. Someone in the thread mention that patreon doesn't have any rules to stopping fanart except dmca take down if someone copy's your stuff(which many sites have). Plus I just google I don't see anything of those freaks trying to take down fanart. Their to fucking busy getting trigger by a hula girl.

Well there's not really any worry at this point, and even if there was I do not see how this is even SJW related. This began with a comment stating concern about copyright law and Patreon policies concerning them, which isn't really SJW territory. The comment was merely misinterpreted as taking down fanart when it was really a statement about artists commercially advertising their creator page with copyrighted content. There are plenty of Patreon pages created for purposes of creating art/comics/games of specific copyrighted characters/content, which is not quite the same as making a general page and accepting requests/commissions to draw copyrighted content. Drawing commissions of copyrighted characters is one thing, but promoting oneself commercially with images of these characters is another. I was merely warning Pepi to keep this in mind when setting up a Patreon account.

>>209469
>The anon only posted cause people still didn't read debunking to the myth. No need for being a smartass.

Well, it's not really a myth, was merely misinterpreted. If I were to fill my Patreon page with banners of Ben 10 characters, and then advertise the creation of Ben 10 content, Cartoon Network would have full authority to force me to change my page or have Patreon remove it. It's important to know what qualifies as fair use and what qualifies as infringement.
No.209494
Anonymous
Replies:>>209503
>>209491
Now that is a very talented child :)))
No.209497
Anonymous
Replies:>>209503
>>209491
Another productive day incog, thank you!
No.209503
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Here is the sketch for the first guaranteed 2 character request. This one was for Ben and Gwen on a school play theater stage, slightly embarrassed after successfully "performing" in front of an audience. In case it wasn't obvious for anyone, Ben is dressed as a vampire, Gwen as a witch. Background details will be colored like a stage floor with stage props. Will try and have one more sketch done before the rest of my Saturday is gone.

>>209488
>How's everything going, Incog?

Things are going alright. Having to watch someone closer after the previously mentioned drug mishap, which has been costing a little bit more of my time, but outside of that no problems as of now. Still struggling with getting a second vehicle, but we're not too far from that one.

>>209494
>Now that is a very talented child :)))

Indeed.

>>209497
>Another productive day incog, thank you!

No problem. Gotta try and remain productive every day if I want things to pick up enough.
No.209504
Anonymous
Replies:>>209541
>>209503
See, now if school plays were like this, they wouldn't need bake sales or raffles, just sell tickets to this!
No.209505
Anonymous
>>209503
Seems you are the go to for ben and gwen smut. No surprise really.
No.209508
Anonymous
Are you ever going to add animation tier, incog? You could do a fully colored animation with a background for $200-250. If you do a couple of those you would make a lot more money than you are now. But I think you said before that you don't like animations? I'm not sure. If that's the case, ignore this.
No.209511
Anonymous
Replies:>>209541
>>209503
Oh sweet holy shit you drew HER!!!
No.209512
Anonymous
>>209508
He said this would take too long and drive him mad.
No.209515
Anonymous
>>209503
God it feels like Christmas every time you do Gwen porn. Great body on her btw.
No.209518
Anonymous
Replies:>>209541
>>209515
Same here
But only with Original Gwen due to all that nuGwen flow
No.209521
Anonymous
>>209503
look at em tiddies >__<
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Anonymous
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>>209463
I can easily tell you used Mike Inel's design of the Wattersons as your basis for your art. Do you plan to do another one based on the official anime design from Studio 4C?
No.209533
Anonymous
>>209525
I see that you're autistic
No.209537
Trace.Reading
Nope, it's some anonytard. You should know by now I always sign my name on my posts.

Anonytard.
No.209541
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209554
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just posted another sketch finally so popping in with an update. This one was not of western characters so there is no image to attach until the next sketch. Just popping in to respond to comments. Going to eat some food afterwards then start another sketch that can be posted here.

>>209504
>See, now if school plays were like this, they wouldn't need bake sales or raffles, just sell tickets to this!

Agreed.

>>209508
>Are you ever going to add animation tier, incog? You could do a fully colored animation with a background for $200-250. If you do a couple of those you would make a lot more money than you are now. But I think you said before that you don't like animations? I'm not sure. If that's the case, ignore this.

Nah, I don't really plan to do so. I have very little animation experience, and a clean, colored animation with a background takes a VERY long time, way more than twice as long as a standalone image. It's not that I don't like animations, it's just that with my current request setup they're just not viable, especially to someone inexperienced like me that has to learn as I go. An animation tier is just not very practical.

>>209511
>Oh sweet holy shit you drew HER!!!

Well, she was requested, so that's who was drawn.

>>209515
>God it feels like Christmas every time you do Gwen porn. Great body on her btw.

Thanks, but I chalk up her great body to her having a great body. I merely translated her greatness.

>>209518
>Same here
>But only with Original Gwen due to all that nuGwen flow

Hey, nuGwen's not that bad. She has her own charm to her.

>>209525
>But... how can Ben leave those bitemarks with that angle? Shouldn't they be vertical?

Yes. Yes they should. I'll have to fix that later.

>>209527
>I can easily tell you used Mike Inel's design of the Wattersons as your basis for your art. Do you plan to do another one based on the official anime design from Studio 4C?

Well, I wasn't really aware it was Mike Inel's design. I merely used the references that were provided to be used. The request was for them to be drawn in that style so that's how they were drawn. I actually know absolutely nothing about the source material, having never even seen the show, so the odds of using the official anime design outside of it being requested is not very likely.
No.209548
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for the next guaranteed 2 character request. This one was for Dipper and Pacifica. Will sketch the next one in a bit.

>>209545
>Incog, you posted the lolimpics sketch in the gif album of your gallery.

Thanks for the heads up. Went ahead and fixed that.
No.209549
Anonymous
Replies:>>209562
Your most recent one of the two adorable Pokemon trainers is easily one of your Cutest of All Time (COAT). They're so teeny tiny and sweet!
No.209554
Anonymous
Replies:>>209562
>>209541
>Thanks, but I chalk up her great body to her having a great body. I merely translated her greatness.

Her body in the cartoon is pretty insane. You definitely nail it good. I mean when Ben isn't doing it.
No.209559
Anonymous
Replies:>>209562
Those loli trainers are so cute!!!!! Where is that beach?
No.209562
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here is the sketch for the next guaranteed 2 figure request, this time of Ahsoka Tano and Anakin going at it reverse suspended congress style. I had never heard that term before, so I initially thought it was some kind of Star Wars reference and had to look it up. Turns out I was flat out wrong on that one and learned something new. Thank you, Google, for your infinite pornographic knowledge.

>>209549
>Your most recent one of the two adorable Pokemon trainers is easily one of your Cutest of All Time (COAT). They're so teeny tiny and sweet!

Thanks. It was my first lewd, but in a not so sexual request. Just some lolis casually sunbathing in a beach chair with some nudity. I had to convert Pokemon trainer Lady into a loli for the request, but I definitely found Tuber to be exceptionally adorable so it was quite fun to do.

>>209554
>Her body in the cartoon is pretty insane. You definitely nail it good. I mean when Ben isn't doing it.

Yeah, that thin frame is glorious, especially with that short hair and those sharp facial features. Sadly it's not all that often that she's not already getting nailed good...

>>209559
>Those loli trainers are so cute!!!!! Where is that beach?

Well I put it in the description over at Jab. According to the request it's called Slateport Beach, and the characters are Trainer Tuber and a loli conversion of Trainer Lady.
No.209565
Anonymous
>>209562
You are literally creating content faster than we can reply to you lol. What a wonderful era this is for pco
No.209568
Anonymous
Does anyone know how to color animations and upload them again as a gif? I really want to color incog's toph animation but I can only save one frame and color it as a picture.
No.209574
Anonymous
>>209568
Gotta render each frame. Unless you're talking about a more inferior Flash method. It's why incog can't do a GIF tier ;)
No.209575
Anonymous
>>209567
Haha yeah. Even then I only just saw the Gwen one, where she's dressed as a traditional witch. That's some serious fan service.
No.209576
Anonymous
>>209562
Oh yes more ahsoka and anakin!!!
No.209577
Anonymous
Replies:>>209599
>>209503
After Gwen turns into a vampire, she attacks random men, speaking in a Transylvanian accent: "I vont to SUCK YOUR COCK" >=)
No.209581
Anonymous
>>209457
>I could see a spin off of this where Wilykat gets mad at Katie because she treats him like a cat and not a person. That could be rather amusing.

I can see Kat with a collar getting mad and throwing the bowl of milk Katie is offering him in her face- before licking it off her body, which will be naked because she's Katie.
No.209582
Anonymous
Replies:>>209599
>>209562
Sketch turned out very well. Is it a challenge doing these? The 3D models I mean. I imagine you're getting the hang of it.
No.209587
Anonymous
Replies:>>209599
>>209562
Know your sex position names, incog! Reverse Suspended Congress sounds really cool in addition to being hot.
No.209589
Anonymous
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Im just gonna leave this here, don't mind me
No.209590
Anonymous
>>209589
fish fucking time
No.209591
Anonymous
Replies:>>209599
Incog have you thought of making a futa version for the star wars and zatanna sketch it wouldn't be to hard to do right?
No.209592
Pepipopo
Replies:>>209599
Hey man, did you receive my e-mail i sent you?
No.209594
Anonymous
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hey how about Trixie Tang when she dressed up like a boy. Doing lesbian stuff
No.209596
Anonymous
Replies:>>209599
Does anyone know how the background of this drawing looks in color? I wanna color it but I don't watch the show so I don't know how that's supposed to look. http://rule34-data-011.paheal.net/_images/b2c5227209675818f7de65690218f7a2/1668149%20-%20Cheetara%20Incognitymous%20Thundercats%20Thundercats_2011%20WilyKat%20WilyKit.png
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Anonymous
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>>209589
and I'm just gonna leave this here, don't mind me also.
No.209598
Anonymous
Replies:>>209602
>>209589
>>209594
>>209597
thirsty faggots
No.209599
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Here are the lines for the Marvel/DC Lolimpics request. Took a minute to line the figures due to all the details. The background will be done in the colors so I didn't line it. Will color this next after a brief break.

>>209568
>Does anyone know how to color animations and upload them again as a gif? I really want to color incog's toph animation but I can only save one frame and color it as a picture.

You need a program that can load them. If you have Photoshop, instead of opening the GIF the same way you would any other file you'll want to go to File>Import>Video Frames to Layers. If you have CS5 or earlier you'll need to use the 32-bit version; I'm not sure about any restrictions on the latest edition of Photoshop.

>>209577
>After Gwen turns into a vampire, she attacks random men, speaking in a Transylvanian accent: "I vont to SUCK YOUR COCK" >=)

So she just gains an accent?

>>209582
>Sketch turned out very well. Is it a challenge doing these? The 3D models I mean. I imagine you're getting the hang of it.

Thanks. Yeah, it is a challenge to do 3D models over 2D. It's much easier to see the proper placement of features when drawing a 2D character in 2D. When drawing a 3D character in 2D there is some translation of details that becomes necessary. I'm not positive if it's exactly more difficult, just something I'm not as used to.

>>209587
>Know your sex position names, incog! Reverse Suspended Congress sounds really cool in addition to being hot.

I just did not expect such an unusual position name. Given the fact that it was a Star Wars request, and there is a lot of political/diplomatic stuff in Star Wars, I figured it was a reference to something in the show when I first read it. I do agree that it is a pretty nice position, especially so for small lolis.

>>209589
>Im just gonna leave this here, don't mind me

That's quite the cute collection of lolis to have all in one place. Is that from some kind of Disney crossover, or is that just a standalone thing that someone made?

>>209591
>Incog have you thought of making a futa version for the star wars and zatanna sketch it wouldn't be to hard to do right?

I don't generally think of making a futa version of anything unless it is requested, or unless it is a strapon lesbian scene. The Zatanna request will be 4 separate images in the end, so doing a futa variant would likely be limited to just a single image if it were requested.

>>209592
>Hey man, did you receive my e-mail i sent you?

I shall check right after I finish uploading everywhere.

>>209596
>Does anyone know how the background of this drawing looks in color? I wanna color it but I don't watch the show so I don't know how that's supposed to look. http://rule34-data-011.paheal.net/_images/b2c5227209675818f7de65690218f7a2/1668149%20-%20Cheetara%20Incognitymous%20Thundercats%20Thundercats_2011%20WilyKat%20WilyKit.png

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/thundercats/images/4/4d/Thundertank_inside.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111105193450

That's the reference I used to draw it so it should have everything you need.
No.209600
Anonymous
>>209599
Perfect. Hail Hydra >:)
No.209602
Anonymous
>>209598
Relax Trace, we're all thirsty here.. Thirsty for incog's tiny, hard bodied goddesses.
No.209603
Anonymous
Replies:>>209634
>>209599
>So she just gains an accent?

She'd be putting on a Dracula accent to sound more threatening.
No.209609
Anonymous
>>209599

Can you ask the requester about a futa version of the zatanna request
No.209612
Anonymous
Replies:>>209634
I thought there were five 2-character requests.
No.209613
Anonymous
Replies:>>209634
>>209599
The mermaids are all Ariel's sisters, pretty sure its a prequel to the little mermaid.
No.209616
Anonymous
>>209609
Dude.. fund him.
No.209617
Anonymous
Replies:>>209634
>>209609
It's very unlikely the requester wants a futa version. Otherwise, he would've resquested it, don't you think?
No.209625
Anonymous
Replies:>>209634
The 'Lolimpics' is a brilliant idea full of potential. Also interesting to note that DC's female characters make for better lolis. Maybe loli Harley can join the club??
No.209628
Anonymous
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Hmmph!
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Anonymous
>>209631
Dude this is why I suggested incog take a week off to draw what he wants. It'll be so much healthier in the long run.
No.209634
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

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Finally done with the colors on the Marvel vs DC Loli'mpics. Took a while but finally get to move on to the next one. The rest should hopefully be much easier and I will get to the next one after passing out for a bit.

>>209603
>She'd be putting on a Dracula accent to sound more threatening.

If she were just putting on the accent then I guess based on the previous comment that there would be no change at all in her behavior.

>>209609
>Can you ask the requester about a futa version of the zatanna request

Well I could realistically do any edit without the requester's permission as long as I fulfill the original request first, so there should be no reason to have to ask. It would be more about whether or not I feel I have the time for the edit.

>>209612
>I thought there were five 2-character requests.

There is one more, but I'm not getting any response from one of the patrons in that tier so I'm not quite sure what to do there. Just going to finish the others while I wait.

>>209613
>The mermaids are all Ariel's sisters, pretty sure its a prequel to the little mermaid.

Oh, that makes more sense. It seemed like official art so I assumed it had to be something. I wasn't aware they were all mermaids or it would have made more sense.

>>209617
>It's very unlikely the requester wants a futa version. Otherwise, he would've resquested it, don't you think?

Well, it is the same requester that wanted the futa edit last month, so I'm sure they wouldn't be against it, but it is true that it wasn't requested this time.

>>209625
>The 'Lolimpics' is a brilliant idea full of potential. Also interesting to note that DC's female characters make for better lolis. Maybe loli Harley can join the club??

It does seem true that DC's females make better lolis, but I personally feel that's because DC's females simply have better designs overall. I would consider loli Harley a little more if she were actually canon.

>>209626
>Where is black viper's belt?

Well I commented in the initial sketch that the requester was specific about the outfits, and that I just drew the belt on accident as I sketched the costume while referencing the character's design. The requester indeed did not want the belt so I removed it.

>>209627
>Diana is already member of the club

This is also true, although technically that does not qualify another DC character. Marvel and DC have so many continuities/titles that I don't think publisher alone should disqualify them as much as original source. Loli Raven and Wonder Loli are both DC, but one is from Teen Titans and the other from Justice League. The same could be said that Harley Quinn is from Batman while Diana is from Wonder Woman.

>>209631
>I have a feeling that Incog has been defeated by all the details and colors of the background.

Well, it was a long and strenuous battle, but I was able to slay the details in the end. Now I'm just hoping there are no survivors that I need to take care of later.
No.209635
Anonymous
>>209634
Oh my god.
No.209638
Anonymous
Replies:>>209658
>>209634
Love your blockbuster-grade production values incog. Artists can draw anything but many of them tend to limit themselves into only drawing what they're capable of as well as what their imagination also limits them to. From the expensive costumes to the elaborate sets, every single piece you draw screams big budget, like it took millions of dollars to bring it alive!
No.209639
Anonymous
Replies:>>209658
>>209634
>Well, it was a long and strenuous battle, but I was able to slay the details in the end. Now I'm just hoping there are no survivors that I need to take care of later.

You made it work. It's obvious you labored so hard on it and didn't walk away until it looked right.
No.209641
Anonymous
Replies:>>209642
>>209637
I'm more team marvel but yeah, DC have better lolis XD
No.209642
Anonymous
>>209641
DC have better converted-from-adult lolis. Marvel has better native lolis (Molly from Runaways, Power Pack girls, the girl from the preteen Hellfire Club)
No.209643
Anonymous
Replies:>>209645
>>209642
There's a preteen hellfire club in the what now?
No.209645
Anonymous
>>209643
Yeah, a bunch of preteen supergeniuses took over the Hellfire Club in X-Men comics a few years ago. I don't know if they're still in power, I haven't read for a while. I believe only one was a loli, Wilhelmina Kensington, a rich sociopathic eleven-year-old winner of beauty pageants and martial arts competition.

She never quite dressed up in the HFC's traditional lingerie fetishwear, but I assume that's only because of the censors.
No.209658
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Got a reply back from the final patron today so just posted my final 2 figure request. This one was a request of Taffyta with a futa Vanellope. Due to the futa nature of the request it will not be posted here on /pco/, but it is in my gallery. Will get to lining/coloring the other requests after a brief break. For now just popping in to update/reply.

>>209637
>IMO, DC has good writers and average artists where Marvel has good artists and average writers.

I find that both companies suffer in both of those areas depending on the series. Both DC and Marvel have some great artists on their big name stuff, but in everything else they seem to have very little concern for quality. Take the latest Power Pack by Marvel for example; great artist did the cover, but then I looked inside and lost interest. Marvel probably does have better artists overall though since they likely have a higher budget.

>>209638
>Love your blockbuster-grade production values incog. Artists can draw anything but many of them tend to limit themselves into only drawing what they're capable of as well as what their imagination also limits them to. From the expensive costumes to the elaborate sets, every single piece you draw screams big budget, like it took millions of dollars to bring it alive!

Thanks. I can see why artists would limit themselves a bit, especially if trying to make a living off of their art. Stepping every project up is very time consuming, and when doing comics and such it is best to stick primarily with what you know to keep pages coming. More content=more money in most cases, so stepping into unfamiliar territory often is generally a loss on the artist's part (assuming there are people willing to pay for their usual stuff). That's the reason why when I sit down and sketch/line without limitation I can pop out like 4-5 updates a day, but when I have to follow requests I can generally only get 2, maybe 3 updates. Pulling up references, making characters look accurate, making sure to add all costume/background detail restrictions, etc, is all very time consuming. This is why I could pop out much more comic content if I were able to stick to a single source for 20+ pages as opposed to constantly jumping around to different projects after every couple of updates. This fact is also why I am heavily considering options to revamp my Patreon.

>>209639
>You made it work. It's obvious you labored so hard on it and didn't walk away until it looked right.

Yeah, it took quite a bit of effort to get everything looking decent. Every detail is more time spent, and I don't like to step away until things are done (although I generally have to for other reasons). Even having to come up with little things like signs, logos/banners, etc. can add quite a bit of time. Not spending the extra bit of time would likely lead to a sloppy looking layout, which I cannot mentally approve posting.

>>209642
>DC have better converted-from-adult lolis. Marvel has better native lolis (Molly from Runaways, Power Pack girls, the girl from the preteen Hellfire Club)

Well, I feel Marvel just has more native lolis. I cannot really think of many in DC that have any relevance outside of side characters.

>>209644
>Wow, you stayed drawing until six in the morning?

Yeah, that happened. It was rough but it had to be done (not really, but I felt it did).
No.209687
Anonymous
Replies:>>209695
>>209634
is that the Viper from the Wolverine movie?
No.209689
Anonymous
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>>209658
"Dickslexia" lol!!!! Laughed way too loudly at that.
No.209695
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here are the lines for the Cindy/Katie/Kit/Kat slumber party request. Will add colors to this next.

>>209687
>is that the Viper from the Wolverine movie?

Well, never seen the movie, but given the character's name is Viper, and she is from Marvel, I would imagine so. She is apparently also known as Madame Hydra, hence the Hydra emblem on her collar.

>>209689
>"Dickslexia" lol!!!! Laughed way too loudly at that.

Yeah, it amused me as well. Full credit for that one belongs to the requester.
No.209702
Anonymous
Replies:>>209727
>>209658
>This is why I could pop out much more comic content if I were able to stick to a single source for 20+ pages as opposed to constantly jumping around to different projects after every couple of updates. This fact is also why I am heavily considering options to revamp my Patreon

I think the riskiest part of it is that every Patreon is only funding you to be "in it to win it" as they say. I'd be interested to see what you come up with. At least give it a trial run.
No.209703
Anonymous
If you do somehow manage to finish all requests for the month maybe you could then indulge in some free time to pursue personal projects (PPP)? Or is that simply not feasible in your business schedule at this juncture.
No.209704
Anonymous
Replies:>>209727
>>209658
>Even having to come up with little things like signs, logos/banners, etc. can add quite a bit of time. Not spending the extra bit of time would likely lead to a sloppy looking layout, which I cannot mentally approve posting.

Your backgrounds always appear to take about as much effort as the subjects themselves and go a long way in creating context and atmosphere for the final product. It gives your work depth and a grandiose scope. And yes I did notice that there are lolis being fucked in the crowd at the Lolimpics, that was a nice touch ;)
No.209707
Anonymous
>>209706
Don't know, is that what happened? If so, maybe he could get started on his Gwen-X graphic novel, if he does get the free time.
No.209708
Anonymous
>>209705
I never did the math. Those are some extraordinary stats. I have faith in humanity if there are people on Patreon sponsoring artists just to see them grow and flourish.
No.209714
Anonymous
Hey what gives. The other day I saw you'd passed the 1000 mark, but just now it was at around 920. Are there slots open? Ps: I like this system as I think everybody gets a turn at that guaranteed slot eventually. But I'd also like to see you doing your own thing from time to time. Keeps it from becoming a chore.
No.209715
Anonymous
>>209714
Its his only source of income now. It kind of is inevitable it will be a chore. He should still have a good 1-2 weeks a month to do what he pleases, but hes going to always have a number of stuff he HAS to do.
No.209718
Anonymous
>>209715
Agreed. Even if he smashed 1 request a day I'm sure it would feel like a chore over time. Drawing for money is pretty sweet though. Incog is living the dream right now.
No.209725
Anonymous
Replies:>>209728
>>209695

Katie doesn't even have to do anything and she steals the show.

She needs a raise, get accounting on that!
No.209727
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here are the colors for the Cindy/Katie/Kit/Kat request. Made a slight change to Katie as I felt shiny, transparent pink pajamas would look cute on her. Hopefully the patron agrees, but if not I colored them in a way that the top could easily be removed as it was in the lines. Will begin the lines for the next request soon and then color them.

>>209696
>If this becomes non-futa the dialogue would make no sense.

Well of course I would just change or remove the dialogue in that case.

>>209702
>I think the riskiest part of it is that every Patreon is only funding you to be "in it to win it" as they say. I'd be interested to see what you come up with. At least give it a trial run.

Well, as others have pointed out this does not really appear to be the case. The problem I am seeing is that it just does not seem to be a viable model for a few reasons. First off, many people join with the assumption that the earlier tiers guarantee some kind of request every month, and when they find out it does not they leave right away. This is why I have a constant rate of increase followed by the same amount of loss every month. The majority of people that really seem to stick around are the people that would be willing to stick around to show their support without the system so it feels like I'm just giving myself more work at this time. Secondly, the amount of people pledging for these tiers is simply not increasing at all, so it clearly doesn't seem all that appealing. The last point is related to this comment as well:

>>209715
>Its his only source of income now. It kind of is inevitable it will be a chore. He should still have a good 1-2 weeks a month to do what he pleases, but hes going to always have a number of stuff he HAS to do.

As it stands now, I accept that there will always be some stuff that I have to do. If I want this to be a financial thing that much has to be accepted. The problem is that when I look at other Patreon pages of similar artists, I noticed they get more for less mandatory returns. Take Area's Patreon for example at https://www.patreon.com/area . Area does the same kind of work that I would like to do, but from what I can tell there is only a $1 tier, an $8 tier and a $10 tier. Outside of high resolution files and early access to files, the only thing that seems to be offered is a raffle each month in the $8 tier and a raffle each month in the $10 tier. The $8 raffle is a 2 character sketch and the $10 raffle a 3 character sketch. Apparently there is a chance of a second raffle, and if the same person wins the second raffle for the month then their sketch gets colored.

Now lets look at that compared to what I am making myself do every month. I do a completed line piece each month of up to 3 characters with a background, a color piece of up to 4 characters with a background, used to do 4+ pages colored comic but have dropped it to 4 pages lined or 2 colored, and then have 5 guaranteed colored requests of up to 2 characters with a background, then 4 guaranteed colored requests of up to 4 characters with background. This has been changed to 7x 2 character requests and 3x 4 character requests due to someone wanting to drop their pledge from $100 to $50 last night. Looking at the numbers, I am currently making $929/month whereas the other artist in this example is making $1284/month. $1284/month is enough that I could drop all of my guaranteed request slots, assuming those were not calculated in that amount. Clearly I am doing something wrong as I am making it much more work for myself yet making about $360 less per month. Considering that money is something I have to be concerned about now so that I do not have to pick up a new job I really need to evaluate my options.

>>209704
>Your backgrounds always appear to take about as much effort as the subjects themselves and go a long way in creating context and atmosphere for the final product. It gives your work depth and a grandiose scope. And yes I did notice that there are lolis being fucked in the crowd at the Lolimpics, that was a nice touch ;)

The backgrounds definitely do take a lot of effort at times. I try and use simple methods to get them colored but they still can sometimes turn into a lot of work. Even though they are just a bunch of blob silhouettes that were blurred, adding that background still took a considerable amount of extra time that could have otherwise been avoided. At first it was just colors with skin tone shapes added, but then I decided that audience needed some loli action of its own, and that ended up taking more time than I probably should have spent. The cost of more loli is indeed great.

>>209706
>Isn't that what he did last month with the nu Gwen and the LoudHouse pictures?

To a degree. That was pretty much just a week of sketching and loosening up after requests, but that did set me back a bit. I still need to get to the Wanda x Pietro comic, plus I have more backlogged requests. I also now have to color the loli Azula and gang comic as well.

>>209710
>It's Wednesday so you've been self-employed for 4 weeks now. How’s everything going, Incog? Did you get the spare car with this month’s income? Have you been experimenting with food now that you have some time to elaborate your meals? How is the ice-cream devourer doing?
>
>In the moisture scale, 1 being sandpaper and 10 being a Durex product, how’s your overall current situation?

Things are going fine. The car situation is still needing resolution. I haven't been making that much money on top of bills that I could dedicate to it, especially with Patreon being my only personal income. One of the people I've been helping has indeed been working, but they've been jumping around jobs. It's for a good reason, but it's been hurting financially due to the unstable paychecks. Luckily that has finally come to an end for now, but I still ended up paying all of my bills for the month with only dollars to spare (literally less than $10).

I still don't cook meals. I still just eat food as is. The closest thing to cooking I do is microwave frozen stuff. Outside of that I still eat a balanced diet, I just stick to foods that do not need to be prepared all that much. Overall I would put my situation at around a 7 on the scale. It's great that I can draw so much, but life is still proving troublesome elsewhere.
No.209728
Incognitymous
Message was too long. Part 2:

>>209714
>Hey what gives. The other day I saw you'd passed the 1000 mark, but just now it was at around 920. Are there slots open? Ps: I like this system as I think everybody gets a turn at that guaranteed slot eventually. But I'd also like to see you doing your own thing from time to time. Keeps it from becoming a chore.

That's the instability that I mentioned before. I had a $100 patron drop to $50, so I closed that slot and made 2x $50 slots. One of them remains to be filled. I also had someone pledge $50, but they probably noticed the $50 slots were full upon trying to claim the pledge reward since they dropped their pledge within a couple days. I've had a few new $1/$5 pledges pop up, but have lost at least as many as I've gained. There really is not seeming to be any gains with the current system outside of these commission style slots I've had to open.

>>209720
>One of the $100 slots was removed and probably switched to a $50 slot since there are 6 now.
>
>I'm a creep and spy everything Incog does :p

This is indeed true, although there are 7 open now. There were 6 slots available for a little bit, but then I decided to up it to 7 to try and make up for the $50 loss.

>>209721
>In a year you'll be so skilled in so many different styles that you could apply for storyboard artist in any cartoon. As long as the company is open minded and takes this material as experience.

Hopefully, although I doubt I'd be looking to apply anywhere. I'd really just make a new portfolio of non-34 material if I were looking to do so. Really though I'm hoping to be able to just stick with my current situation. I live a meager life and do not need a lot of income. All I need is to make enough money that I can be left alone and be able to draw as much as I can.

>>209725
>Katie doesn't even have to do anything and she steals the show.
>
>She needs a raise, get accounting on that!

That's the power of weaponized adorability. That is the actual reality behind her powers.
No.209729
Anonymous
Replies:>>209731
>>209727
If I would ever get off my ass and get a job I would be more than willing to help fund your patreon. I hope it gets better for you, I noticed it has risen a good 600 bucks in the past couple months so while Area is making more, it may just be because he has had a patreon longer
No.209731
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209734
Figure I'll just keep up communication while drawing since thread is about to die anyway and this is a discussion I consider relatively important.

>>209729
>If I would ever get off my ass and get a job I would be more than willing to help fund your patreon. I hope it gets better for you, I noticed it has risen a good 600 bucks in the past couple months so while Area is making more, it may just be because he has had a patreon longer

My Patreon went quite a while with no real increase in support. It has risen about $600 only because I opened 4x $100 guaranteed slots and 5x $50 slots. (4x100) 400 + 250 ( 50x5) = 650, which counting processing fees and existing patrons raising their pledge equals close to $600. The initial setup has seen essentially no increase in amount all year, and has never even reached $350 processed in a single month. I pretty much just had to open commission style slots to see any increase, which is not a system I wanted to go with.
No.209734
Anonymous
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>>209731
Maybe you just need more exposure. I will definitely shill your shit and hopefully soon upload your finished works on sites like paheal with sources just to show what support I can but have you considered compilation works or drawing for a different niche, maybe under another account? You are known in the Ben 10 fandom but that is it unfortunately, if I never checked out 4/b/ I probably wouldn't have even discovered that I found Gwen hot as fuck since I don't watch the show. This of course being my experience before Loli Club when you branched out to Teen Titans and other series and when all those fakes and edits were being spammed on paheal so I don't have very relevant experience. Also I know it's shit, but consider more watermarks for users to find your patreon page as it seems to work. Speaking as someone who probably isn't in the majority, I found out about your patreon in my fit of looking for artist's original pages, because sites like paheal don't have everything and are often poor quality, but up to that point I didn't even know where you posted or that you even had a patreon, hell I didn't even know Area had one but I am probably retarded.
No.209735
Anonymous
I think you should just advertise your patreon more in thread starters like the last thread. Only try to make it harder to ignore.
No.209736
Anonymous
>>209734
This. Probably you dont like it, but a seal with your name or watermark in your works would make a difference. You need more exposure, just take a look at some of your works in some sites, it goes like "Who is the artist?" "Sauce please", etc.
No.209737
Anonymous
Replies:>>209740
>>209734
>when all those fakes and edits were being spammed on paheal so I don't have very relevant experience.
When you're in paheal, type in the search bar "incognitymous -edit" to avoid any result with the tag "edit". That's what I do.
No.209738
Anonymous
>>209736
I'd prefer if it's something outside the picture in a margin. I always found watermarks in porn more annoying than informing.
No.209739
Anonymous
>>209734
>and hopefully soon upload your finished works on sites like paheal with sources just to show
They're already uploaded to paheal, and at an alarming speed. The problem is that these "uploaders" never add the source.

Fourth attempt to get AlbertWesker's attention.
No.209740
Anonymous
>>209738
As long as it isn't rainbow colored or something I am generally completely fine with a transparent background Patreon logo and a link in a corner somewhere out of the way

>>209737
I will keep it in mind but I only ever had a problem with it for Incognitymous for whatever reason, and a lot of images before they nuked Incog's work off the site weren't flagged as edits at all
No.209741
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here are the lines for the Anaise/Nicole/Darwin/Gumball request. Requester asked that Darwin's jacket be removed so it was. Only added it initially since it seemed to be the only fin indicator in the character reference so I thought the requester may want it on. Turns out I was wrong. Will add colors next.

>>209734
>Maybe you just need more exposure. I will definitely shill your shit and hopefully soon upload your finished works on sites like paheal with sources just to show what support I can but have you considered compilation works or drawing for a different niche, maybe under another account? You are known in the Ben 10 fandom but that is it unfortunately, if I never checked out 4/b/ I probably wouldn't have even discovered that I found Gwen hot as fuck since I don't watch the show. This of course being my experience before Loli Club when you branched out to Teen Titans and other series and when all those fakes and edits were being spammed on paheal so I don't have very relevant experience. Also I know it's shit, but consider more watermarks for users to find your patreon page as it seems to work. Speaking as someone who probably isn't in the majority, I found out about your patreon in my fit of looking for artist's original pages, because sites like paheal don't have everything and are often poor quality, but up to that point I didn't even know where you posted or that you even had a patreon, hell I didn't even know Area had one but I am probably retarded.

I probably should check stuff on Paheal and at least update the sources. I finally got into my account a little while ago so that's a thing. I definitely wouldn't want to make another account/name of anything else, even if I were to target another niche. As you said, I don't seem to have a lot of exposure as it is, so any non-Ben 10 fans that see my name probably will not relate me to Ben 10 anyway (hard to relate what you don't know). The fact that people do not know me is why I have been considering using a watermark in some way. It would of course be off the image, with maybe a white margin at the bottom with my Patreon info. Since I like doing comics that would very easily be doable by just putting a top/bottom margin in like I used to.

>>209736
>This. Probably you dont like it, but a seal with your name or watermark in your works would make a difference. You need more exposure, just take a look at some of your works in some sites, it goes like "Who is the artist?" "Sauce please", etc.

Yeah, I've been realizing this for a while now. Lots of people wondering who I am, and I've even been to a stream or two lately to be greeted by people who liked my work but thought I was some kind of mythical creature because I was impossible to find. Maybe I'll start using some kind of watermark after I finish guaranteed requests for the month (don't really want to watermark those).

>>209738
>I'd prefer if it's something outside the picture in a margin. I always found watermarks in porn more annoying than informing.

It definitely would be, although I would likely have fun with it if there were a reason to paint it into the background or something.

>>209739
>They're already uploaded to paheal, and at an alarming speed. The problem is that these "uploaders" never add the source.

Yeah, people like having their name on an upload more than they like putting in the effort to tag/link.
No.209742
Anonymous
>>209739
I haven't browsed his tag since I found his jabarchives page so didn't know, I seriously thought it would have been all gone but there are more images than his jabarchives page. I can create an account and link source if possible though.
No.209743
Anonymous
I personally think that you should keep watermarks or patreon advertisement in the dialogue. If you do a big watermark over your pictures, people will just try to find a version with the watermark edited out, not your patreon. Just try to sneak it in the dialogue in a funny way.
No.209745
Anonymous
Replies:>>209748
>>209743
That is a lot of extra work just to make it harder to find, most people wouldn't care enough to edit it out unless its an obnoxious overlay
No.209746
Anonymous
Replies:>>209748
>>209741
>The fact that people do not know me is why I have been considering using a watermark in some way. It would of course be off the image, with maybe a white margin at the bottom with my Patreon info.

Infographics bro. It's a way to blatantly shamelessly advertise through fresh artwork that will be shared everywhere. If you did one now advertising the open $100 slot and designed it like a billboard, you'll get the business you need. It'll advertise that Patreon page too.
No.209747
Anonymous
>>209727
That is seriously cute

>>209741
I love the size contrast in this. Hope you can do more loli X women!
No.209748
Incognitymous
>>209743
>I personally think that you should keep watermarks or patreon advertisement in the dialogue. If you do a big watermark over your pictures, people will just try to find a version with the watermark edited out, not your patreon. Just try to sneak it in the dialogue in a funny way.

Well there would be no watermark over the pictures. As mentioned, it would be in a white space margin at the bottom of the page with a source link. Sneaking it into dialogue is fun and all, but I already have so many pictures I have to commit to every month that committing to making advertisement pictures as well is simply not an option. I get very little time for extra stuff as it is. Having only about a week out of an entire month to draw what I want seems bothersome enough that it makes it difficult to want to prioritize extended projects in that time since it means it will take like an entire year to get a full length comic. I've been working on the Wanda x Pietro comic for like 3-4 months now and only have 11 pages sketched, which is less than half of what I plan it to be. It is difficult to want to dedicate an entire week to such a project when I know that week is all I get to do what I want.

>>209745
>That is a lot of extra work just to make it harder to find, most people wouldn't care enough to edit it out unless its an obnoxious overlay

This. Creating a whole page with dialogue just to advertise is more time spent. It is pretty much having to create an entire new page and then hoping people will see that one page. This is nice and all, but if they see a different image and want to no the source then that advertisement page before isn't going to be all that helpful. It would be much easier to just do what others do and put a link at the bottom of a page.

>>209746
>Infographics bro. It's a way to blatantly shamelessly advertise through fresh artwork that will be shared everywhere. If you did one now advertising the open $100 slot and designed it like a billboard, you'll get the business you need. It'll advertise that Patreon page too.

The problem is I don't want to advertise opening slots. Creating an advertisement page for my Patreon is nice and all, but it doesn't help those who see other images and want to know where they're from. I want to get rid of the need to have commission style slots by having a Patreon page that works on its own. Many artists accomplish this while doing exactly what it is I want to do. It's not like I need thousands of dollars to make it work, it's just that as it is now I am putting in a lot of work and not even reaching the amount of a minimum wage job. If this keeps up I'm going to have to drop the slots completely and pick up a new job, which could then very well put a big slow down on my output.
No.209751
Anonymous
Replies:>>209756
>>209748
>If this keeps up I'm going to have to drop the slots completely and pick up a new job, which could then very well put a big slow down on my output.

That would be going backwards. You've come this far, so we don't want that. Which is why you should advertise what you want us to know through the regular channels. Your work is shared pretty quickly and its reach will be wide. Advertising is everything.
No.209752
Anonymous
Why does patreon let you have an account if you don't put your drawings on it?
No.209753
Anonymous
Replies:>>209756
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>>209752
I know companies will take down your art if its hosted on a site where people pay you, construed as selling their brand. Blizzard and Nintendo have taken down artwork hosted on Patreon for example, I don't know or think anything Incog draws would attract that kind of attention but patreon knows the kind who gets funded there and so don't really require it. In fact they don't care what you do, they get their cut and aren't complaining about people not using their server space
No.209755
Anonymous
I guess it's hard to pull back on your current 'drawing nothing but requests' system when all you want to do right now is draw freely and replicate Area's raffle system, but the sooner you switch to it the better. It's true, he's been there for a while so I'd give it a year more of getting your art out there- art of your passions- before you start seeing his numbers.
No.209756
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here are the colors for the Gumball request. Now on to the lines and colors for the Zatanna request next.

>>209751
>That would be going backwards. You've come this far, so we don't want that. Which is why you should advertise what you want us to know through the regular channels. Your work is shared pretty quickly and its reach will be wide. Advertising is everything.

Yeah, I want that less than anyone. Once I knock out all of the required requests for the month I'll definitely spend some time looking at other places and workarounds to allow me to post updates at said locations (AKA figuring out content restrictions and such). Even if I have to post censored versions I really should give places like Pixiv a look simply because there are so many people there. I'll likely try making updates some time soon to my Patreon to explain current plans after thinking a little more about it. I'll try and start on the whole locking things down to revise the setup soon so that I can see what to expect on trying to get a new system going.

>>209752
>Why does patreon let you have an account if you don't put your drawings on it?

Patreon can be used to fund projects that exist outside of Patreon. Many people that run streams, or that run webcomics, etc, that have their own dedicated servers/followers on other sites use Patreon to fund their activities. Not everything that is funded through Patreon has to be posted on Patreon. Also, as the next person mentions, companies will go after commercial sites that seemingly advertise their products. It's legal to do commissions/art requests of a copyrighted character, but openly displaying such an image on a site that brings in revenue is a gray area. Putting up text stating I have drawn a picture of Gwen Tennyson and then linking that text to the image is viewed differently than when someone opens my page and sees a picture of Gwen Tennyson at the top. It's all just technicalities.

>>209753
>I know companies will take down your art if its hosted on a site where people pay you, construed as selling their brand. Blizzard and Nintendo have taken down artwork hosted on Patreon for example, I don't know or think anything Incog draws would attract that kind of attention but patreon knows the kind who gets funded there and so don't really require it. In fact they don't care what you do, they get their cut and aren't complaining about people not using their server space

Pretty much this. As long as what you're doing is not illegal where they are hosted then they don't really care. Of course they will have to take action if an outside company sends them some kind of warning, so I'm sure they appreciate artists putting in the effort to make sure that does not happen to their page.
No.209757
Pepipopo
Replies:>>209765
Did you took a look at the patreon request i did?
No.209758
Zwasho09
Replies:>>209765
>>209752
Why does patreon let you have an account if you don't put your drawings on it?

>>209756
>Putting up text stating I have drawn a picture of Gwen Tennyson and then linking that text to the image is viewed differently than when someone opens my page and sees a picture of Gwen Tennyson at the top. It's all just technicalities.

Does that include a simple thumbnail that does not show the full picture and its censored or says what the character is?
No.209759
Anonymous
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>>209756
No.209761
xardius
As a Patreon from the 50$ tier: Everytime I read you comments here on /pco/ it feels like I am a pimple you like to squeeze (but you can't squeeze me because you need my money) -.-
No.209762
Anonymous
>>209761
Please explain
No.209764
Anonymous
Replies:>>209767
>>209761
You are a pimple to me personally and I wish he would, fuck you annoying cunt
No.209765
Incognitymous
>>209757
>Did you took a look at the patreon request i did?

Yeah, I saw it. I just don't have time to get to the $1/$5/$10 tiers until I'm done with the guaranteed requests. Typically I do not reply to requests unless I have a comment/question/concern about it.

>>209758
>Does that include a simple thumbnail that does not show the full picture and its censored or says what the character is?

That depends. If it's just one thumbnail it will probably be no cause for concern. The problem could come if you decided to dedicate a month to doing a comic starring a specific character or two, or you decided to do a bunch of images of the same character consecutively. If someone were to take a look at a Patreon page that was full of thumbnails featuring Ben and/or Gwen it could very much look like a Ben 10 designated Patreon page. This wouldn't be an issue typically, but if the wrong eyes were to catch a glimpse of a commercial page in that condition it could lead to a potential issue.

>>209761
>As a Patreon from the 50$ tier: Everytime I read you comments here on /pco/ it feels like I am a pimple you like to squeeze (but you can't squeeze me because you need my money) -.-

Sorry, that's not what I mean by it at all. I am not saying that I completely hate my current situation, merely that I would like to improve it. Think of it as someone having an entry level job that they would like to quickly move up in. Consider me an aspiring comic artist that has a bunch of ideas in mind that I would like to get to so I am seeking a job where I can produce my own works. I am currently in a work situation where I now have the potential to draw as much as I would like, which is a great thing, the only problem being that I have to draw other people's ideas to make ends meet. In short, it's like wanting a job to draw comics, but I have instead landed a job where I must draw standalone commissions.

I really do appreciate my $50 and $100 patrons. If not for these slots then I would likely be stuck working some factory instead of being able to draw all day. It's just that I only plan for these slots to be temporary while I try to get my Patreon page to a point that does not rely on them. Being able to draw these instead of working elsewhere really is beneficial since it will keep me in practice and have me much better prepared for if I can get my page to where I would like it. The only reason I am bringing up the current situation as a major concern is the fact that it would be really draining to pick up more slots than I currently have, and as it stands now my page still does not bring in enough income.

In the last 6+ months I have seen little to no returns as far as the actual Patreon page outside of opening these guaranteed requests out of necessity. This shows people are either not aware of my page or that my current setup is not very appealing. With the fact that I want this to be a long term thing I am quickly coming to realize that I need to strongly reevaluate my current setup if I am ever going to move on to what I'd prefer. I need to make a strong effort while I got the chance and not wait until it becomes too late to try. Looking at other people's Patreon pages is making me realize I need to do things differently since it appears I am making this way more necessary work than it needs to be.

tl;dr Other artists with similar styles are able to do what they (and I'd) like to do while making substantially more money in the process, whereas I have turned my page into something where I make far less, have had no growth, and have to put in a lot more work on other projects in order to keep it going. This is simply something I need to fix.
No.209766
Anonymous
Replies:>>209784
>>209765
Sent you quite a big message and some pictures of apple pies.
No.209767
Anonymous
Replies:>>209781
>>209764
Stay classy Trace, you insufferable shit
No.209768
Anonymous
Replies:>>209784
>>209765
>Consider me an aspiring comic artist that has a bunch of ideas in mind that I would like to get to so I am seeking a job where I can produce my own works. I am currently in a work situation where I now have the potential to draw as much as I would like, which is a great thing, the only problem being that I have to draw other people's ideas to make ends meet. In short, it's like wanting a job to draw comics, but I have instead landed a job where I must draw standalone commissions

This. Gaahh. This pains me. There is a solution to this that's within our grasp. We've just got to keep thinking about ways to get you on that Area level of freedom.
No.209769
Anonymous
Replies:>>209784
>>209765
>This shows people are either not aware of my page or that my current setup is not very appealing

Firstly get rid of the tiers you don't need. Do it as soon as you can. Tell everyone X is not happening anymore. The sooner you change this business model the sooner the new one can get established. Next, Coke (to use as an example) and other successful companies continue to run ads even if they're at the top of their game, which tells me advertising is something that should be ongoing and relentless. Not daily, maybe weekly? Keep engaging the community while at the same time make yourself known to newcomers. This can be done through short comic strips that speak to the audience. Treat Paheal like a public forum where you're holding press junkets and everyone can stay in the loop and informed.
No.209770
Anonymous
>>209756
Love the picture of sperm hanging on the left wall. Something worth showing to the visits and guests.
"Hey, Rutherford! Have you seen my picture of cum yet? I've it right here by the bed so that it cheers me up every morning!"
No.209772
Anonymous
>>209756
The only drawback I see to adding a link to your Patreon in the pictures is the potential edits. If one of your normal pictures gets editted into preggo, gore, insect or whatever it might give the wrong idea. I think that you should make the link so that it's easy to remove, and the rest is up to the editor's morality.
No.209775
Anonymous
>>209741
>Yeah, people like having their name on an upload more than they like putting in the effort to tag/link.

As a former uploader (I quit when they officially banned loli... I don't care if they half-ass enforcement of it, I won't put in my time and effort), it's probably less about their own ego and more about the amount of paperwork and such. I mean, if you only upload 1 or 2 things, yeah, both keeping track of and remembering to add a source is easy. But when you're doing something like 100 a day, the extra 30 seconds or so it takes to put the source in on each one (which is NOT in the default upload box), not to mention keeping all the sources tracked, that can really add up.
No.209776
Anonymous
>>209775
Wow, 100 a day? That's a generous shipment. I think we can all see how much an artist needs to be acknowledged when their livelihood is at stake. How valuable that extra 30 seconds is to provide information that could contribute to them creating more artwork.
No.209777
Anonymous
Replies:>>209782
>>209775
You don't have 30s to add a source, but you have time enough to upload 100 pictures? That, sir, is quite the irony.

If you aren't willing to take the bother of adding the source to your uploads, more so considering you're not the artist, then you're a very lousy uploader and you should probably let someone else upload those pictures.

After reading that, I totally agree with
>Yeah, people like having their name on an upload more than they like putting in the effort to tag/link.
No.209778
Anonymous
Replies:>>209785
>>209741
>Yeah, people like having their name on an upload more than they like putting in the effort to tag/link.

Tsk.. Generous that your sharing, but what an ego.
No.209779
Anonymous
>>209748
>I want to get rid of the need to have commission style slots by having a Patreon page that works on its own. Many artists accomplish this while doing exactly what it is I want to do.
>>209765
>Looking at other people's Patreon pages is making me realize I need to do things differently since it appears I am making this way more necessary work than it needs to be.

I have to admit, when you draw these 4-character $100-slot pieces, as spectacular as they turn out, they always feel like they belong to someone else. The fantasy I mean. Don't get me wrong, they're always sophisticated meticulously crafted works, it's just that sometimes you're obviously drawing someone else's waifu. You're fucking their waifu haha. But incog on fire, drawing what he wants like in the old days, taking requests when the mood took him, having freedom to do so.. I would love to see you reach that point, so that's what we should aim for by year's end. One could argue that success means structure and sacrifice but like you said, other artists are working less while making more. I think the key may lie into pandering to the masses to turn them all into incog loyalist fanboys as the devoted tend to be the most generous.
No.209780
Anonymous
Replies:>>209805
>>209779
I see a lot of philosophy and zero solutions. Money doesn't grow on trees, you know?
No.209781
Anonymous
>>209767
>Trace
literally who?
No.209782
Anonymous
Replies:>>209783
>>209776
>>209777
It is a free service, you shouldn't expect quality. Uploading pictures takes less time than adding a shitload of tags and finding the page you found the picture in the first place
No.209783
Anonymous
Replies:>>209786
>>209782
>It is a free service, you shouldn't expect quality.
Then again, what's the point of taking the bother of reuploading the pictures here into paheal without adding a source?

Sebusca? Are you around here? You have recently began adding sources to your uploads, but perhaps you could give us some insight in this topic.
No.209784
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209793
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just popping in with another update. I just spent some time this morning updating my Patreon page. I suggest any patrons with ongoing requests that check here and not my Patreon page to take a look at the changes. I am closing my posts off to any new requests. If you are an ongoing patron and feel cheated by being closed off from what you have been supporting then please take a look at my new request posts for resolution.

I also want to give an update to some ideas I was thinking with the page. While I don't like the idea of a paywall, I have been considering doing so in a way that uses a method I have already been planning to go with. I've been considering no longer posting sketches of most images since I generally now have the time that I could just line and/or color them. Going here, then to Jab, then to Patreon, then to Twitter, all to post a partial update has been getting rather tiring. It can take up to 15-20 minutes to update everything, and doing this 3+ times a day can easily add up to over an hour+ just posting different stages of a single image. Posting comments on top of updating each time can increase this to 30+ minutes at a time, leading to 2+ hours spent posting.

In order to save myself the time I have been contemplating just posting the final stages, or just posting whatever I have finished before I go to bed for the night. I'm thinking I will utilize this planned change to instead turn it into pledge bonuses. I can just post my sketches on Patreon as soon as I finish them and turn it into a WIP pledge bonus. I can just keep a Patreon tab open all day and save a page template in a Notepad document so that updating these sketches will take only a couple of minutes as opposed to the time it takes now. I will then edit the page as soon as I have the lines finished, then edit it one last time when the colors are finished. Once the colors are finished I will post the image everywhere, including here and my Jab gallery.

I am also considering posting my full resolution PNGs for patrons. The fact of the matter is that I simply cannot post these anywhere else that I update. They are generally too large for file size limitations, either in file size or resolution. Heck, I've had issues in the past with posting a single panel of a Ben 10 thread starter comic in full resolution after someone asked for it. On Patreon there is a 100 MB limit for file attachments, so I am thinking that every month I could upload a .ZIP file with all of my full resolution .PNG files that I did that month.

I am thinking these are the best tangible benefits I can offer. Finished products will be available to everyone as soon as they are complete, so there will be no paywall for that. The closest thing would be the access to in-progress drawings, allowing patrons to see images before they are finished. The fact of the matter is that my initial idea of providing more requests as a reward is not working. I want to provide at least something tangible as a reward, but making this reward more request drawings is simply making this a 24/7 job with little returns and very little to no personal time. I still plan to have requests as a reward, but limiting it to only guaranteeing 1 line request and 1 color request per month, with 2-4 characters each. Since these requests do not work as standalone rewards then I'll promise less requests as a side reward.

My goal with the page is that I can work a system sort of like this: Month starts and I do my line request and color request. I do the sketch for my line request and post it on Patreon, then do the sketch of my color request and post it as well. I then do the lines for both requests, posting the lines for the line request everywhere since it is complete. I then would post the color for the color request, posting it everywhere since it is now complete. I then move on to whatever project I am working on, which at the start would be finishing up the Wanda x Pietro comic. I would post the sketch of a page on Patreon and then begin on the lines. Once the lines were done I would consider that enough work for the day and be able to do whatever else I wanted to get done. The next day I would color the page, post it everywhere as a finished piece, and then either start on the next sketch or be able to draw whatever I wanted for the rest of the day, starting the sketch/line process the next day.

I could maybe vary this up a bit, doing sketch one day followed by lines and colors the next, but I feel this would allow me to be much more productive . I could aim for posting about 3 full colored comic pages a week, plus have time for other images on the side. If I felt like progressing the comic more an didn't feel like doing stuff on the side I could even aim for having about 4 full colored comic pages a week. As l would be focused more on a specific source material I would be able to progress much quicker, as I would get used to drawing the characters and could go extended periods without having to pull up references/study a different style every piece. Some things may feel a little more paywall than I like, but these are changes that I simply have to make or else I'll have to slow down my game, which is something I really don't want.

>>209766
>Sent you quite a big message and some pictures of apple pies.

Received. I'll respond to it later.

>>209768
>This. Gaahh. This pains me. There is a solution to this that's within our grasp.

Yeah, sadly the solution requires things I don't really want to do, but financial stability requires effort/sacrifices. Morality has little place in economics.

>>209769
>Firstly get rid of the tiers you don't need. Do it as soon as you can. Tell everyone X is not happening anymore. The sooner you change this business model the sooner the new one can get established. Next, Coke (to use as an example) and other successful companies continue to run ads even if they're at the top of their game, which tells me advertising is something that should be ongoing and relentless. Not daily, maybe weekly? Keep engaging the community while at the same time make yourself known to newcomers. This can be done through short comic strips that speak to the audience. Treat Paheal like a public forum where you're holding press junkets and everyone can stay in the loop and informed.

Yeah, just started the process of removing the current tiers. Not sure how long it will take since it will be based on how many people were really intent on having their request fulfilled. I will not blame these people, since they have been showing support on the basis of the established system, but how many of them there are will determine how long before the system is changed for good.

>>209776
>Wow, 100 a day? That's a generous shipment. I think we can all see how much an artist needs to be acknowledged when their livelihood is at stake. How valuable that extra 30 seconds is to provide information that could contribute to them creating more artwork.
No.209785
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209806
Message too long, part 2:

>>209778
>Tsk.. Generous that your sharing, but what an ego.

I probably should have worded it a little differently when I made my comment. As it is now it seems a bit more of an ill-disposed comment than I intended. Note that most people posting these images on other sites do not have any ill intention, and are indeed trying to show support for the site. People that post 100+ images a day are likely a great boon for sites like Paheal/Rule34Hentai.net, where the quantity of material is their main attraction. These people likely feel it is safe to assume that the community will handle proper tagging of material and thus dedicate their time to contributing the actual content they are able to find in the corners of the internet.

The fact still remains though that some people just want the numbers. It's no different than people rushing to be the "First!" to comment, or posting quick responses like "Lol" a million times on forums to increase post count, or vigorously seeking likes/thumbs up on their comments. These people will exist everywhere, and if it makes them happy then let them have it I say.

>>209779
>I have to admit, when you draw these 4-character $100-slot pieces, as spectacular as they turn out, they always feel like they belong to someone else. The fantasy I mean. Don't get me wrong, they're always sophisticated meticulously crafted works, it's just that sometimes you're obviously drawing someone else's waifu. You're fucking their waifu haha. But incog on fire, drawing what he wants like in the old days, taking requests when the mood took him, having freedom to do so.. I would love to see you reach that point, so that's what we should aim for by year's end. One could argue that success means structure and sacrifice but like you said, other artists are working less while making more. I think the key may lie into pandering to the masses to turn them all into incog loyalist fanboys as the devoted tend to be the most generous.

Yeah, being able to draw what I want is something I'd like to aim for. Of course I'd still like to do occasionally do something in return for support, but I'd rather receive support doing the projects that I want to do. There are plenty of examples out there showing that this works, I simply need to learn from/utilize these references. My system is a lot of work but does not work so it needs to change.
No.209786
Anonymous
Replies:>>209787
>>209783
Because anyone can add source, it isn't like its only the uploaders responsibility. In fact most of these images have sources anyways, I can't find one that doesn't, but if it bothers you, you have the ability to fix it, it is a community
No.209787
Anonymous
Replies:>>209788
>>209786
Exactly. The uploaders are providing a service. All the people who use the site and DON'T upload? They could just as easily add sources, fix tags, etc. They often don't, because it's a lot of work. Guess what, that's why the uploaders don't either... they're already doing a lot of work for what they see as the benefit of other people (and for a lot of us, that is exactly what we see it as... sure, there might be a tiny bit of pride involved in getting something first or having high numbers, but bringing it up is like saying people who do charity are really just selfish because it makes them feel good about themselves), telling them "hey, thanks for your work, but please do even more free work" is not the best approach. And usually, they don't even get the "thanks for your work" part.
No.209788
Anonymous
Replies:>>209790
>>209787
Thanking people for rushing stuff doing it wrong out of a need for useless renown. My favorite hobby.
No.209790
Anonymous
>>209788
Do it better
No.209793
Anonymous
>>209784
Would you consider having something like a mega.nz folder available to download all your works including the high resolution formats? Maybe even as a patreon reward or something. People would be able to download every file in that folder as a compressed archive so you wouldn't have to worry about repacking it every time you updated, just drag and drop the image file onto the folder in your browser. Bulk downloading doesn't work for jabarchives unfortunately.
No.209795
Anonymous
Replies:>>209797
>>209793
How is a mega link limited to patrons exactly? Patron already offers an uploading system.
No.209797
Anonymous
Replies:>>209798
>>209795
I don't know how Patreon works, that's why I said maybe. I would have just assumed a hidden post provided he even wanted the paywall or some clever distribution of the decryption key. Does Patreon allow users to bulk download or bulk upload with a single click? Here is an example of what I mean;
https://mega.nz/#F!uRR21AxJ!QeP_XakX_J1akOt4wR5xAQ
-you just link a folder and can reuse the same link even if you add more files later, and download the folder as an archive with the button in the top right. You can also categorize with folders within folders like he has on jabarchives.
No.209798
Anonymous
>>209797
I don't like the idea. Incog already has to
1 Post the update in Patreon
2 Send the twitter.
3 Post the update in JabArchives
4 Post the update here in pco
5 Answer to comments
6 Check PMs

And now you want him to upload stuff to mega too? C'mon.
No.209799
Anonymous
Replies:>>209801
I think megaupload anon trying to some shady shit.
No.209800
Anonymous
Replies:>>209803
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>>209798
As far as I can tell a mega link could replace at least two of those since it has thumbnails, just an idea anyways. What do you mean "Send the twitter"?
No.209801
Anonymous
>>209799
Why do you think that? Also mega isn't megaupload
No.209803
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

So I've started making adjustments to my page and am experimenting with different ways to post. I've decided not to be overly concerned with posting content directly on Patreon given they have systems explicitly for NSFW content. As long as my content is not illegal in the USA I am certain at this point they are not too concerned with what I am posting. Sadly I am going to have to do some things to try and pick up my Patreon that I'd prefer not to, but the last year has proven that not doing so simply has not been working for me. I am already doing a commission style system that I never fully intended on doing so the fact remains that sacrifices must be made concerning personal preference vs reality.

I will be posting sketches/lines for works in progress on Patreon and then updating everywhere else when the work is complete. I'll be sticking with my usual resolution at my usual places (they do not allow much larger anyway), but will be uploading full resolution images to Patreon. The exception to this rule is any $50/$100 patrons that would rather keep the full resolution image for themselves as a sort of personal piece of the request (still awaiting PMs on that). I want to have a tier that grants access to all of these full resolution images, as well as the WIP stages (sketches for line pieces, sketches and lines for color pieces). I plan for there to be these tiers to start off (the explanation will be summarized when actually put into place):

$1 Tier - When my situation is clear I plan to hold votes between all patrons to see where interest lies in determining what projects I am to ensue first.

$X Tier - Patrons of this tier will be able to view works before they are complete. All sketches will be posted here, which will then be replaced by the later stages the piece nears completion. The image will not be shared anywhere else until it is complete, so access to the WIP is effectively early access. Once the image is complete it will be shared elsewhere, but it will only be posted at my full working resolution on Patreon for patrons of at least this tier. Also, when I catch my situation up, I plan to add a line request to this tier every month.

$10 Tier - Patrons of this tier will receive everything as above, but at the end of each month I will post an organized archive compiling everything I completed for that month. This means all WIP sketches will be shared, as well as full resolution .PNG files of all lines and colors finished throughout the month. Once I am caught up on my situation I plan to add a color request to this tier every month.

Of course I still need to keep my current $5 tier open for past patrons until I catch up on clearing things out. The only thing I am wondering is what people feel is a fair price to place on the above $X tier. Since I have to make these changes I need to think from a financial perspective. I'd like to keep it at $5, but I see quite a few creators that bump their middle tier up a few dollars for that little bit of a boost. While the difference between $5 and $7 or $8 may not break the bank for patrons, it makes a big different for the creator. Having 50 patrons at $5 is $250, whereas bumping these patrons up to $7/$8 can bump it up to $350/$400. That's a pretty big deal for a low income person like myself, and would definitely expedite the process of being able to remove my guaranteed request slots in favor of working on comic projects. I have some active patrons that have really been supportive that I would definitely be okay with keeping a couple guaranteed slots open for, but I definitely don't want to have to maintain 10+ slots like I do now, on top of other Patreon obligations.


>>209793
>Would you consider having something like a mega.nz folder available to download all your works including the high resolution formats? Maybe even as a patreon reward or something. People would be able to download every file in that folder as a compressed archive so you wouldn't have to worry about repacking it every time you updated, just drag and drop the image file onto the folder in your browser. Bulk downloading doesn't work for jabarchives unfortunately.

As mentioned above I plan to have this as a pledge bonus. Patreon has no file limitations outside of file formats and a 100 MB limit on each upload. File hosting sites like Mega.nz have limits to the total amount of content that can be uploaded, requiring payment to increase your account's capacity. Given the fact that a single line image at full resolution can take up a few MBs, and that a full resolution colored image can take up upwards of 5-10 MBs, it would not take too long for GB limits to start being reached and files would have to be deleted or I would need to pay for more storage space. Neither of these are options I would want to go with for pledge bonuses.

>>209798
>I don't like the idea. Incog already has to
>1 Post the update in Patreon
>2 Send the twitter.
>3 Post the update in JabArchives
>4 Post the update here in pco
>5 Answer to comments
>6 Check PMs

This is why I was already planning to limit posting the separate stages. Performing each of these steps multiple times a day has been proving rather troublesome, which has been reducing my capacity to respond to messages if I were to also post my daily updates. I figure I may as well utilize this fact to limit posting of all incomplete works to Patreon as an early access pledge reward for those still interested as opposed to dismissing the step completely.

>>209800
>As far as I can tell a mega link could replace at least two of those since it has thumbnails, just an idea anyways. What do you mean "Send the twitter"?

"Send the Twitter" is likely related to the fact that I made a Twitter account for patrons since I edit a single post for daily updates, but editing a post does not notify patrons the same way that creating a separate post does. Since there were patrons that wanted to receive notifications I created a Twitter account to shoot quick Tweets on to send out automatic notification of updates. Given that I will start making new posts instead I will likely be able to remove this step in due time.
No.209804
Anonymous
Replies:>>209811
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>>209803
>As mentioned above I plan to have this as a pledge bonus. Patreon has no file limitations outside of file formats and a 100 MB limit on each upload. File hosting sites like Mega.nz have limits to the total amount of content that can be uploaded, requiring payment to increase your account's capacity.
Mega isn't THAT bad, it gives you 50 gigabaroos as a free user with no explicit filesize limit but this is reasonable. Thanks
No.209805
Anonymous
>>209780
I don't have solutions. But maybe we'll find one once we identify the goals.
No.209806
Anonymous
Replies:>>209811
>>209785
>Yeah, being able to draw what I want is something I'd like to aim for. Of course I'd still like to do occasionally do something in return for support, but I'd rather receive support doing the projects that I want to do. There are plenty of examples out there showing that this works, I simply need to learn from/utilize these references. My system is a lot of work but does not work so it needs to change.

You were always the most generous, always keen to please, without expecting a thing in return. Far from being a bad thing. But maybe if we approach it in a more insistent, "I deserve something" way, like every other artist with an ego does, you're sure to get the results you want. As an example, I notice waiters are kinda jerks when I'm being nice to them, but when I'm rude to them, they suck up more. It's this weird balance of status quo in society.
No.209807
Anonymous
Replies:>>209811
>>209803
>I am already doing a commission style system that I never fully intended on doing so the fact remains that sacrifices must be made concerning personal preference vs reality.

Months back, there were "see for yourself, give it a try", "try it out, you might like it" posts, so you did, and now you're all the wiser for it. It has yielded some quality artwork, on the plus side.
No.209808
Anonymous
Replies:>>209811
>>209634
Almost wish we could get a better look at the crowd - with all the stuff going in in the audience, they seem like they'd be more interesting to watch than the competition on stage.
No.209811
Incognitymous
So I finally forced myself to make the changes that I feel need to be made, with the pushy encouragement of some of my patrons. Here is a copy/paste of the post I just made explaining everything:

So I feel sort of bad about the new changes but I feel they are strongly necessary. I tried my best to last as long as possible, keeping everything as free as I could; however, it has become apparent that such a system does not grow at a respectable rate (or in my page's case, not at all). I have been trying to add as many incentives as possible that were not in the form of restricting access to content, but in the end it has led me to a large workload with very little in return for my efforts. I had to essentially open up commission slots to see any increase, which was a clear indicator that my system was not working. If I am to ever utilize Patreon in the way that I would like then it is necessary that I make these changes.

I've been thinking about it for the last few days and I have concluded that I simply must put up some form of stronger incentive to pledge. As such I will be going with the method I have tried pushing off as long as I could - the paywall. I plan to post all content free at some point, but starting next month I am thinking that I will delay all posts to outside sources by about a week. By doing so I will have a constant flow of content for free at my usual locations after the first week, but it will all be a week behind.

Once I am done with the guaranteed requests for this month I will be putting an effort to tag my Patreon link in a margin at the bottom of all comic pages that I make. This includes the entire backlog of requests I must knock out. I really want to start immediately on more extensive works, but I will put more effort into getting anybody who feels cheated caught up first.

You may notice that I have upped my $5 tier to $8. For now all of the $8 bonuses will be available to $5 patrons since it is not possible anyone could have processed an $8 pledge at this time, but starting next month posts will be for $8+ patrons. This was decided after looking at the Patreon page of other artists like myself and seeing their systems. So many artists with pages similar to mine are much more successful, and there are artists like myself making several times more money than me while being able to work with their own ideas. It may seem like just a few dollars, but a few dollars builds up quickly. 50 patrons at $5 is $250, whereas 50 patrons at $8 is $400. For someone as low income as myself that is a big deal, and if I am able to gain patrons it will definitely help me get caught up in clearing out my guaranteed request slots.

The faster I can clear these slots the faster I can get to working on larger projects instead of constantly jumping around to standalone images. Note that I would be open to the idea of opening just a few $50 slots on occasion, or for opening them for very helpful/active patrons. I have quite a few patrons already that I would gladly make exceptions for to keep a slot or two open for, but being forced to open more than I currently have would be quite troublesome. It is not that I am overly upset about having these slots, I am simply concerned about the longevity of my Patreon if I am required to maintain these slots to make any form of income.

I think I got about everything out of the way. I still have a few requests from before May that I promised to get to, so I do still plan to do so. In hopes to get caught up faster I would like to ask anybody with one of the remaining $5/$10 requests from that time (posts before May in the Mk I $5/$10 request pools) that may have lost interest in their request, or is willing to show mercy upon me, to please speak up by commenting here or sending me a PM to let me know. I'm not going to call anybody out, nor intend to make anyone feel bad about remaining adamant in their request. If you are still very much interested in said request and have maintained a pledge in hopes said request will be performed, feel free to remain silent and I will still get to the request. There are really only a couple more of these requests, but with how booked my time is and how desperately I want to get to new projects every little bit helps.

>>209804
>Mega isn't THAT bad, it gives you 50 gigabaroos as a free user with no explicit filesize limit but this is reasonable. Thanks

I'm aware. I actually made an account to take a look at it after a patron mentioned the idea. The thing is that 50 GBs seems like a lot, but it would eventually fill up unlike the unlimited space Patreon provides.

>>209806
>You were always the most generous, always keen to please, without expecting a thing in return. Far from being a bad thing. But maybe if we approach it in a more insistent, "I deserve something" way, like every other artist with an ego does, you're sure to get the results you want. As an example, I notice waiters are kinda jerks when I'm being nice to them, but when I'm rude to them, they suck up more. It's this weird balance of status quo in society.

Thanks for the compliment. I tried and tried to keep things free, but after a year and still no growth I have to accept that it isn't working. I wanted to give tangible rewards without restricting anything, but I just ended up building myself a wall of obligations that I need to break through if I'm ever going to move on without leaving a bad impression on too many people.

>>209807
>Months back, there were "see for yourself, give it a try", "try it out, you might like it" posts, so you did, and now you're all the wiser for it. It has yielded some quality artwork, on the plus side.

Yeah, I don't hate it, and I'd definitely be willing to give out occasional guaranteed request slots to patrons in the future. I just need to be able to work on things that I feel people would be more willing to get behind. As it stands, I don't think too many people would feel much incentive to pitch in a few dollars to support an artist that dedicates most of their time drawing commissions. I feel that getting my name out there and working on bigger projects that may catch people's attention will work for a better business model than what I have going now.

>>209808
>Almost wish we could get a better look at the crowd - with all the stuff going in in the audience, they seem like they'd be more interesting to watch than the competition on stage.

Sadly it's just a bunch of blotchy silhouettes. Drawing a full audience like that in detail would take quite a bit of time. They seem more interesting to watch because there's a bunch of them going at it compared to only 4 up front.
No.209812
Anonymous
Replies:>>209829
Do whatever you gotta do, man.
No.209813
Anonymous
>>209811
Agree 100%
No.209814
Anonymous
Replies:>>209829
>>209811
I am not an artist, this is good for you. Make money for what you love and nothing more . Hopeful success, I look up to you friend. Whatever it takes to make it in this world.
No.209818
Anonymous
Replies:>>209829
>>209811
Honestly glad you are taking a more practical approach to all this. As much as I'm sure everyone enjoyed the effectively free stuff for the last couple months, you deserve a more rewarding system.
No.209820
Anonymous
Replies:>>209829
>>209811
As a long time fan (and one of the $50 tier folks), I just wanted to say, whatever you end up doing with the guaranteed slots, I'm glad I got a chance to get a request drawn by you and I'll continue supporting you as long as I can afford to. You came up with great ideas for art long before you were getting financial input from people and I look forward to you getting more time to tackle the projects you've probably got going through your head. I agree with the folks saying you should brand your work in some way (probably just a patreon thing at the bottom honestly). I saw somebody comment on one of the sites your work goes on and was surprised there's folks who still don't recognize your style despite how long you've been around. I make a habit of correcting/adding tags on images I see that have problems, so rest assured, somebody will probably tag your stuff appropriately as long as it shows up in some form.
No.209822
Anonymous
Replies:>>209829
>>209811

So what are the bigger projects you have in mind, incog?
No.209825
Anonymous
Yay incog. Moving forward, after giving so much of your time and effort formulating literal screenplays and storyboards for your requestors' basic ideas. And I know how time-consuming storytelling can be, not to mention executing them in a technically flawless manner with on-model, true-to-character accuracy. I think, in the end, your patreons knew you were underpaid. So well done and as always, let's see what happens. It's a learning experience for all of us.
No.209827
Anonymous
>>209825
>I think, in the end, your patreons knew you were underpaid.
And seeing how quick the $100 and $50 tiers filled up backs this up.
No.209828
Anonymous
>>209827
Wow nice job making us the bad guys. I guess supporting him in the 50/100 is a crime. As to the underpaid part people in the 1-10 were reaping the most before incog did his patreon change and add 100 and 50 tier.
No.209829
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just popping in to maintain feedback. Yesterday was a busy day with all the changes and discussion but I was still able to finish the last 4 figure piece. One week from yesterday, meaning the 15th, I will start a new thread with my next calendar piece. After that I will try to begin regular updates of finished content on a planned schedule, but I will also try and remain active here concerning the content I post. Until then I have stuff I need to get figured out.

>>209812
>Do whatever you gotta do, man.

Indeed I am. I just want to maintain communication here.

>>209814
>I am not an artist, this is good for you. Make money for what you love and nothing more . Hopeful success, I look up to you friend. Whatever it takes to make it in this world.

Thanks. Sadly personal preference has proven economically ineffective after a year of trying so I finally agree I have to do what it takes.

>>209818
>Honestly glad you are taking a more practical approach to all this. As much as I'm sure everyone enjoyed the effectively free stuff for the last couple months, you deserve a more rewarding system.

Yeah, the other method hasn't worked so it's time for the more practical approach. Given the fact that my previous system was netting me roughly 10 a day for hours of work I have to agree I need a more personally rewarding system. It simply is not sustainable.

>>209820
>As a long time fan (and one of the $50 tier folks), I just wanted to say, whatever you end up doing with the guaranteed slots, I'm glad I got a chance to get a request drawn by you and I'll continue supporting you as long as I can afford to. You came up with great ideas for art long before you were getting financial input from people and I look forward to you getting more time to tackle the projects you've probably got going through your head. I agree with the folks saying you should brand your work in some way (probably just a patreon thing at the bottom honestly). I saw somebody comment on one of the sites your work goes on and was surprised there's folks who still don't recognize your style despite how long you've been around. I make a habit of correcting/adding tags on images I see that have problems, so rest assured, somebody will probably tag your stuff appropriately as long as it shows up in some form.

Thanks a lot for the support. It helps me feel more at ease about these changes to see that my current patrons support/endorse them. While it may seem like I am expressing some negativity towards the $50/$100 slots, I feel the need to mention this is simply not the case. These slots have enabled me to draw as opposed to lesser preferred options so I greatly appreciate how quickly they have filled up. I simply hope to remove them so that I may utilize other options and not because I am upset about them in any way.

That out of the way, it has become blatantly apparent to me how unknown I am. As mentioned prior, I've been trying to pop into a few streams here and there of other artists to get a feel for the more active community (that and because some of my patrons have invited me to join some of the streams they hang out in). Upon chatting with people I quickly learn that even people that like my stuff have no idea where to find it. When people reference to my stuff I sometimes get people making comments like, "Wait, YOU'RE the one that drew that?", and some people even go so far as to comment how they weren't even sure I actually existed, like I was some kind of internet/tag myth for images. While I've always been totally fine with this since I've never really been after any kind of publicity, given I use an online alias and all, but if I am going to try and make this a profitable endeavor I really do need to resolve this and get myself known. The first and biggest step towards that would be to indeed start linking to myself on my works so that there is no question about it when someone looks at my stuff.

>>209822
>So what are the bigger projects you have in mind, incog?

First I need to finish that Pietro x Wanda comic since there is already so much invested into it and I really want to complete it. Secondly I want to start on a Ben 10 comic featuring OS Gwen and Ben. Then I want to move on to rebooting the Jack x Katie comic from forever ago, followed by continuing it beyond what I made before. From there I have a multitude of other ideas I would like to get to, which I would probably leave up to a vote to see what ideas have the most support as I would be torn anyway on what to start with.

On top of those above I would like to have some kind of smaller project that I could update about once a week. Something along the lines of a web comic style series of one/two shot strips, just for fun but to maintain some form of continuity between them. Nothing that I would feel totally invested to, as I would also like to maybe take a week off at a time to do random animations and the like. I really do want to get better at animating, but as it stands now that is something I simply have zero time for.

>>209825
>Yay incog. Moving forward, after giving so much of your time and effort formulating literal screenplays and storyboards for your requestors' basic ideas. And I know how time-consuming storytelling can be, not to mention executing them in a technically flawless manner with on-model, true-to-character accuracy. I think, in the end, your patreons knew you were underpaid. So well done and as always, let's see what happens. It's a learning experience for all of us.

Yeah, my hands are really tied at this point. It is true that every little bit is a huge time factor. This is why I feel I could be far more productive while using less energy if I were able to stick primarily to single projects. Laying out scripts, pulling up references and then being able to go with that for a while would be a lot less strenuous than repeating these processes time and time again. Going through all of the trouble for a single image, only to have all of the information no longer relevant anymore, definitely plays a big role in slowing down output. This is especially true when doing all of the layout/planning for a comic, only to have the comic end in 2-4 pages and then repeating the process for the next 2-4 page comic.

>>209827
>>I think, in the end, your patreons knew you were underpaid.
>And seeing how quick the $100 and $50 tiers filled up backs this up.

Oh, I knew very well that I was, I was just trying everything in my power to get it past that point without making drastic changes. As mentioned above, I was making roughly $10 a day at the end, usually a little less when payments actually processed. That is far from a livable wage, and is very negligible returns for full days of work.
No.209830
Anonymous
Incog when will futa zatanna be made?
No.209831
Anonymous
>>209829
The "myth" perception probably comes from your long periods of hiatus. I if remember correctly, for a while after I first found your work, most of the colored versions were done by fans coloring in the lines that you'd left after disappearing, so half the stuff on Paheal was edits of your work to give it color and stuff.

On the streaming front, I assume you've been made aware of Picarto. I'd figure if you were to try running your own stream on there, you might get more enjoyment by being able to talk to folks while you worked, though it may slow it down a bit of course. Up to you, but it's more options to consider and try out if you like.

Also, if you're referring to Katie's Training, that'd be awesome. Every so often I try to find the parts to that to reassemble it in a folder, but the individual images seem to be scattered around sketchy as hell comic sites.
No.209832
Anonymous
>>209831
>On the streaming front, I assume you've been made aware of Picarto. I'd figure if you were to try running your own stream on there, you might get more enjoyment by being able to talk to folks while you worked, though it may slow it down a bit of course. Up to you, but it's more options to consider and try out if you like.

How much internet bandwidth does someone need to stream without lag? That would be practical to know.
No.209833
Anonymous
>>209829
>like I was some kind of internet/tag myth for images.
No offense Incog, but you never sign your pictures and your name is a mixture of Incognito and Anonymous. I can't blame them for thinking you're some kind of Loch Ness monster in the sea of the Rule34.
No.209834
Anonymous
Replies:>>209838
>>209832
It doesn't really need to be without delay. It's not like he's doing a split-second thing like a video game or anything. I haven't looked into the logistics too thoroughly, but I highly doubt that everyone who streams on an art site has in-depth knowledge of how bandwidth and bitrates work. There's probably a tutorial out there for how to get it set up with little hassle.
No.209835
Anonymous
Replies:>>209846
>>209828
It is literal jealousy, don't take it too personally
No.209836
Anonymous
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>>209833
Isn't he?
No.209837
Anonymous
Replies:>>209838
>>209830
News flash anon. Incog has his hands full at the moment.
No.209838
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209844
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just another update. I'm not going to go into the full details of where I'm at with it, just to prevent it from seeming like, "Hey, I just did this but you can't see it yet!", but just letting you all know I'll try and keep up with comments here between stages of a drawing like I normally would, even if I don't quite have a post yet. I'll have posts for it starting next week, and since this thread is about dead anyway I feel it's a good time for discussion until then.

>>209828
>Wow nice job making us the bad guys. I guess supporting him in the 50/100 is a crime. As to the underpaid part people in the 1-10 were reaping the most before incog did his patreon change and add 100 and 50 tier.

Wow, I think one of us misinterpreted that comment given we read it in different ways. I took the comment as a, "This proves that your patrons were willing to pay more for what you provided than what you were charging", rather than a, "This proves your patrons are jumping at the chance to underpay you". Darn internet comments and their ability to be misinterpreted.

>>209830
>Incog when will futa zatanna be made?

Doing that request as 4 separate images actually made it take longer than I anticipated so I don't really have much time for even more edits with it. I still have to get to editing that previous Sugar Rush request.

>>209831
>The "myth" perception probably comes from your long periods of hiatus. I if remember correctly, for a while after I first found your work, most of the colored versions were done by fans coloring in the lines that you'd left after disappearing, so half the stuff on Paheal was edits of your work to give it color and stuff.
>
>On the streaming front, I assume you've been made aware of Picarto. I'd figure if you were to try running your own stream on there, you might get more enjoyment by being able to talk to folks while you worked, though it may slow it down a bit of course. Up to you, but it's more options to consider and try out if you like.
>
>Also, if you're referring to Katie's Training, that'd be awesome. Every so often I try to find the parts to that to reassemble it in a folder, but the individual images seem to be scattered around sketchy as hell comic sites.

I see where the concept comes from, especially since I did some intentional trolling along the way as well. I was never really planning to market the name in any way so it was all in fun. I'm just surprised to see that the affects of doing so are still around this much later. Guess that's something I need to work on fixing.

I actually have an account on a site called Piczel, which I feel is a better option for loli streams. Of course the account is only used for accessing other streams, but if I were to ever host one that is probably where I would go.

The Katie's training comic is indeed the one I was referring to. I really would like to get back to that one in due time, with a few more pages of intro based off of the edits that inspired it. I would then rework the entire thing and add more pages to follow up with (also go beyond just blowjobs in the end).

>>209832
>How much internet bandwidth does someone need to stream without lag? That would be practical to know.

Not sure, but I'm sure Google could answer that. I know it's not a lot, but my speeds are very low and shared with multiple people that are often streaming HD videos.

>>209833
>No offense Incog, but you never sign your pictures and your name is a mixture of Incognito and Anonymous. I can't blame them for thinking you're some kind of Loch Ness monster in the sea of the Rule34.

No offense taken. I'm well aware that I can't do this anymore. The name can stay, but no signing my pictures has to change. I need to at least add a link directing people to where I post.

>>209834
>It doesn't really need to be without delay. It's not like he's doing a split-second thing like a video game or anything. I haven't looked into the logistics too thoroughly, but I highly doubt that everyone who streams on an art site has in-depth knowledge of how bandwidth and bitrates work. There's probably a tutorial out there for how to get it set up with little hassle.

This is true. A little delay in a drawing stream would likely go unnoticed. I'm positive there would be tutorials/explanations out there that could be found with practically no time spent asking Google.

>>209837
>News flash anon. Incog has his hands full at the moment.

There is much truth in this statement.
No.209840
Anonymous
Replies:>>209847
>>209831
Picarto doesn't allow loli. Piczel is a much better option for incog.
No.209843
Anonymous
Replies:>>209847
>>209829
>That out of the way, it has become blatantly apparent to me how unknown I am

That is so hard to believe. But when I think about how on-model your art is and how, on the surface, there are no clear distinguishing qualities about it, I can see how an mindless cartoon porn enthusiast would just fap without realising it was part of a certain artist's body of work. People would know a Tram Param for instance, because his signature always comes with those bloated, poorly drawn Simpson's figures so, not only is it hard to ignore the artist responsible, but it's also easy to spot the other work they've done that's out there. I would opt for a classy, less intrusive signature, keep it small, but it's position visible from the thumbnail. See how that goes.
No.209844
Anonymous
Replies:>>209847
>>209838
This is way typing over the internet is bad. We don't know how each person express on their post. I personality feel you were underpay in the beginning before the 50/100 pledge came out. I thinking the 50/100 help out balance out the lose of money you were having with making the 1-10 pledges. You were making 6+ page comics for $10 where the 100 was 2 page or 4 page depending on the requester choice. I will still keep supporting you even if there is no 50/100 cause I'm here to support an artist not here to get a request and get this imaginary bragging rights.
No.209845
Anonymous
Replies:>>209847
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>>209829
>First I need to finish that Pietro x Wanda comic since there is already so much invested into it and I really want to complete it. Secondly I want to start on a Ben 10 comic featuring OS Gwen and Ben. Then I want to move on to rebooting the Jack x Katie comic from forever ago, followed by continuing it beyond what I made before. From there I have a multitude of other ideas I would like to get to, which I would probably leave up to a vote to see what ideas have the most support as I would be torn anyway on what to start with.

I can't wait to see you get started on these personal projects. It's a new era. I'm sure you will be invigorated by it creatively. You should think about making it so that only patrons can vote on those other ideas, see how that affects sales. The paywall should make for an interesting exercise too. All the best with this new venture.
No.209846
Anonymous
Replies:>>209847
My post >>209827 has caused quite the confusion. By no means I attempted to make the $50/$100 tier look bad as >>209828 thought. In that post I was agreeing with the post above >>209825 since I also think Incog is underpaid for the work he is doing. That’s why as soon as the $50 train was out I hopped onto it. I guess I’m literally jealous of myself as >>209835 stated.
No.209847
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just some responses before bed.
>>209840
>Picarto doesn't allow loli. Piczel is a much better option for incog.

This is what I hear. The streams that I visit have moved to Piczel for this reason.

>>209843
>That is so hard to believe. But when I think about how on-model your art is and how, on the surface, there are no clear distinguishing qualities about it, I can see how an mindless cartoon porn enthusiast would just fap without realising it was part of a certain artist's body of work. People would know a Tram Param for instance, because his signature always comes with those bloated, poorly drawn Simpson's figures so, not only is it hard to ignore the artist responsible, but it's also easy to spot the other work they've done that's out there. I would opt for a classy, less intrusive signature, keep it small, but it's position visible from the thumbnail. See how that goes.

Yeah, I never did attempt to put my name out there so it's not really a wonder that people don't know who I am. I'd like to think I'm establishing at least some stylistic choices at this point that make my works distinguishable, but with how much I jump around between materials there are not likely many people that know me outside of avid Ben 10 34 seekers since it's essentially the only thing I do consistently.

>>209844
>This is way typing over the internet is bad. We don't know how each person express on their post. I personality feel you were underpay in the beginning before the 50/100 pledge came out. I thinking the 50/100 help out balance out the lose of money you were having with making the 1-10 pledges. You were making 6+ page comics for $10 where the 100 was 2 page or 4 page depending on the requester choice. I will still keep supporting you even if there is no 50/100 cause I'm here to support an artist not here to get a request and get this imaginary bragging rights.

Yeah, text has a way of not indicating when a comment has a negative or sarcastic tone. This is especially troublesome when a comment could be interpreted in multiple ways. If there is a negative interpretation then someone is bound to read it that way. The comics were not intended to be that cheap as I was hoping I would get enough $10 patrons. Doing a 4 page comic each month between 50x $10 patrons would effectively be $500 for 4 pages, which isn't all that bad at $125 a page (although definitely not great for the time invested into a fully colored comic page). The problem is that I never reached nearly enough patrons for it to become effective, and patronage had essentially reached a standstill with only occasional $1 patrons popping in, but generally just as many patrons stepped out.

>>209845
>I can't wait to see you get started on these personal projects. It's a new era. I'm sure you will be invigorated by it creatively. You should think about making it so that only patrons can vote on those other ideas, see how that affects sales. The paywall should make for an interesting exercise too. All the best with this new venture.

Thanks, I'm hoping to be able to do so as well. I actually had a change in order of what I plan to do next. Once I knock out the past requests I promised to do I plan to start straight on a Ben 10 comic and put the Pietro x Wanda comic on hold. I really would like to complete the current comic first, but after a bit of discussion with some patrons I've decided it really would be in my best interest to start something that would be more likely to get views. A comic of stylized Maximoff twins is not nearly as likely to be viewed as a Ben 10 comic would be, so if I am going to start putting my information on something to get myself out there then the Maximoff comic is not really a good starting point. It's something I will definitely pick up, even if as a secondary project while doing the other, but it's something I have decided to put on hold until I can clear up the time I am dedicating to guaranteed slots. Once I can get that to happen then I can definitely be more selective in the order I perform things, although I do still plan to get patron input to find out where the most interest lies.

>>209846
>My post >209827 has caused quite the confusion. By no means I attempted to make the $50/$100 tier look bad as >209828 thought. In that post I was agreeing with the post above >209825 since I also think Incog is underpaid for the work he is doing. That’s why as soon as the $50 train was out I hopped onto it. I guess I’m literally jealous of myself as >209835 stated.

I thought that was what you meant, but after someone indicated the potentially negative connotation my brain became rattled with the infinite possibilities that may have just occurred. Glad to see that cleared up and that you were just jelly of yourself.
No.209856
Anonymous
Replies:>>209875
>>209847
Your Patreon page is turning out neat. I like the image slider in the posts.
No.209858
Anonymous
Sorry i'm late to the party but Incognitymous steams? where?
No.209864
Anonymous
>>209858
Yes, when it's really hot steam comes out of Incog's ears.
No.209866
Anonymous
Replies:>>209875
>>209864
Like in Attack on Titan. Incog's a Titan.
No.209868
Anonymous
Replies:>>209870
>>209847
>Once I knock out the past requests I promised to do I plan to start straight on a Ben 10 comic

Uuugghhhh YYEEAAHHHH!!!
No.209869
Anonymous
Replies:>>209875
>>209829
>I will try to begin regular updates of finished content on a planned schedule, but I will also try and remain active here concerning the content I post.

Hope you don't forget about us pco fans incog. Stay in touch! If you need to vent about a bad day or want us to help with any marketing strategies let us know :)

Ps: Jinmen >>209857 doesn't post here regularly, but you can tell this is but one of many boards he stops by to keep the people in it informed about his product. I think starting threads in multiple boards and introducing yourself to the regulars who frequent it is another way to promote your Patreon page, though I'm sure you've already been doing that ;)
No.209870
Anonymous
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>>209868
No.209875
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just checking in and replying to comments.

>>209856
>Your Patreon page is turning out neat. I like the image slider in the posts.

Thanks. I've been putting a lot of effort into getting it going so it is slowing down drawing slightly, but it is a necessary step. Turns out the image slider is a feature of Patreon that I never gained access to due to not posting images. I can turn it on/off but feel it would be silly to disable it now that it's unlocked.

>>209858
>Sorry i'm late to the party but Incognitymous steams? where?

Usually just in my room on sunny days due to the very large windows and the fact that I'm on the second floor. That sun shines in and turns this place into an oven. On a more serious note, I don't actually stream at this time. I visit some streams on occasion, although I'm not overly active while present due to being distracted with drawing. I'm usually just active in the chat at certain streams while eating meals, although I don't want to mention which streams as they are not mine to announce.

>>209864
>Yes, when it's really hot steam comes out of Incog's ears.

This is true. It's really quite annoying when wearing my headset (I never use speakers).

>>209866
>Like in Attack on Titan. Incog's a Titan.

Well, not an actual Titan, but we definitely have a lot of similarities. I do like tearing down walls, although there's not a lot of eating people that goes on afterwards (at least not as often).

>>209869
>Hope you don't forget about us pco fans incog. Stay in touch! If you need to vent about a bad day or want us to help with any marketing strategies let us know :)
>
>Ps: Jinmen >209857 doesn't post here regularly, but you can tell this is but one of many boards he stops by to keep the people in it informed about his product. I think starting threads in multiple boards and introducing yourself to the regulars who frequent it is another way to promote your Patreon page, though I'm sure you've already been doing that ;)

I definitely plan to remain active here. The problem right now is that A) today was Saturday, so was only able to do a single update and just got home from other stuff, and B) I'm putting a lot of time into getting my Patreon going so I don't have as much time to chat here at the moment. Once I get things going I will be posting stuff here and over at Jab, although a bit delayed and at my usual resolution as opposed to the full sized PNGs I post at Patreon now.
No.209877
Anonymous
>>209875

So, when you post the pictures here and on jab, are you going to post all the ones you've finished at once or just one or two?
No.209878
Anonymous
>>209877
These threads allow only one picture per post
No.209879
Anonymous
I gotta say, I'm having anxiety about you hosting your stuff on Patreon now. Even if it's legal in the US, I have a feeling that Patreon will shut your patreon down as "stuff that gives us a bad rep" if someone in power actually sees images of cartoon children fucking hosted on their own servers. But you've looked into it more than me, I assume, and I'll trust your judgement, I just don't want you to be fucked over.

As for the tiers changes, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do, though it does make me personally a bit less eager to do ongoing low-level support. Honestly I don't know yet, I'll probably see where it goes for a while. I mean, I bought a prepaid gift card pretty much just for the purpose of supporting you with it long term so I might as well stick with it until the card runs out at least. And it's not a matter of you not deserving it in any way, it's just that I can't afford to support all the people I think deserve it so I tend to be pickier and, call me selfish, but a 'cost/value' evaluation starts to tick up in my head with those I consider.
No.209881
Anonymous
Replies:>>209894
>>209879
I think incog will be doing raffles quite often. He's pretty generous.
No.209882
Anonymous
Replies:>>209885
>>209879
>I mean, I bought a prepaid gift card pretty much just for the purpose of supporting you with it long term
Use a debit card. They're free in your bank, hence they're cheaper than those gift cards and you can increase the money in it without trouble. Unless you're underage. If that's the case, firstly you shouldn't be around here. Secondly, your parents would have to make you the debit card, so you'll have to cook a good lie.
No.209883
Anonymous
>>209879
>I can't afford to support all the people I think deserve it so I tend to be pickier and, call me selfish, but a 'cost/value' evaluation starts to tick up in my head with those I consider.
I take then by your cost/value that neither this >>209634 nor this >>209727 met your standards and Incog isn't worth your money anymore?

I'm sorry to hear that, anon, but I'm pretty sure Incog is doing his best. Maybe you’re too picky?
No.209884
Anonymous
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>>209875
>Well, not an actual Titan, but we definitely have a lot of similarities. I do like tearing down walls, although there's not a lot of eating people that goes on afterwards (at least not as often).

I bet you walk around like this too, all cool and shit
No.209885
Anonymous
>>209882
Yeah, sorry, I'm not linking my bank account to the supporting of loli sex pics. Remember, that sort of shit's not legal in every country and even if patreon swears they keep shit confidential... they're still a business, not a bastion of free speech and privacy. There was a time I'd have thought HF would never ban loli, and look where we are today.

I'd rather pay a few bucks more (really not that much when you buy the bigger $ amounts) for a little anonymity. I consider it a tax, just like I know that as much as I'd like to I'm not donating the full amount to Incog, Patreon gets their cut, and so does the anonymity tax.

>>209883
They're great pieces, but, again, there are plenty of artists who do great pieces... one reason to support Incog over another artist (also doing their best and deserving of support... and this isn't just porn artists in play here, but any creator who's stuff I enjoy and want to support) is better odds to get ideas I really like drawn.

And more specifically to those pieces... you probably chose some of the worst examples in the thread for my tastes, because, personally, I don't like the crossover stuff much. I'll look at it, I'll occassionally even fap to it, but I much prefer in-one-universe porn. I know crossover stuff's part of the deal with Incog of course... it's not enough to make me not support him on its own, but it all goes into the evaluation.

I'd love to be rich enough to support everyone I like, but I don't make all that much more than I live off myself. There's a little monthly surplus (some months it's a negative, but I save well and on average it's a plus). Every dollar I spend on Incog is not just a dollar I can't spend on another artist, it's a dollar I can't spend on making my own life better in some other way, like taking a bus instead of walking (fun fact, deciding I can walk to work on most days is part of how I budgeted up to spend money on Incog, and a few other things I needed, in the first place).

As I said, I'm not leaving anytime soon. We'll see how it goes longer term. I'm just giving feedback that Incog can take or leave as he refines his Patreon. Better he knows where the various segments of his audience actually are than kiss up and promise to support him no matter what when it's just not realistic for all of us.
No.209886
Anonymous
Replies:>>209887
>>209885
>Yeah, sorry, I'm not linking my bank account to the supporting of loli sex pics. Remember, that sort of shit's not legal in every country and even if patreon swears they keep shit confidential... they're still a business, not a bastion of free speech and privacy.
Any lawyer can tell you how wrong you are. There is no way the law of any country can take action against you for this kind of support, unless you live in the kind of third world country leaded by a mafia rather than a government and even then, those kind of governments don't pay attention to this kind of stuff.

>And more specifically to those pieces... you probably chose some of the worst examples in the thread for my tastes, because, personally, I don't like the crossover stuff much. I'll look at it, I'll occassionally even fap to it, but I much prefer in-one-universe porn. I know crossover stuff's part of the deal with Incog of course... it's not enough to make me not support him on its own, but it all goes into the evaluation.

If it comes to taste, those pictures aren't of my particular taste either but when you are giving feedback you have to be objective. The level of detail in those pictures is astonishing and there is clearly many hours of work and reference behind them, so the fact that they aren’t in your range of sexual preference doesn’t qualify them as “the worst examples”.

>Every dollar I spend on Incog is not just a dollar I can't spend on another artist, it's a dollar I can't spend on making my own life better in some other way

Nobody is going to send a hitman to your home if you remove your pledge, regardless of the reason. I just called you out because in your second paragraph here >>209879 you said you were considering to remove your pledge because it wasn’t worth anymore after the new pledge system Incog is using. Well, news flash: Everyone is using that system and some uses systems even more expensive. I still think Incog’s pledge levels are inexpensive for all he’s offering.

There is a big difference between ‘something being worth’ and ‘being unable to afford something’.
No.209887
Anonymous
>>209886
>Any lawyer can tell you how wrong you are. There is no way the law of any country can take action against you for this kind of support, unless you live in the kind of third world country leaded by a mafia rather than a government and even then, those kind of governments don't pay attention to this kind of stuff.

Support implies possession, possession is illegal in most countries now. And considering the whole reason actual CP is illegal is the theory that it 'supports those who produce it', yes, in many people's minds, support is a reason to go after you. Would they? Probably not. I'm not taking the chance.

And I'm not just looking to the now, I'm looking to the future. Laws change, things that may be technically legal now can become illegal, and while you might not be able to be charged for past acts, having a banking history connected to loli sure makes it hard to say things like "I don't know, someone else must have put those loli pics on my computer, I have no interest in that," if it comes up later. For all I know Patreon could be hacked next week and some activist release a list of the payment details of everybody who pays for loli art for public shaming.

You can live your life any way you want. I'd prefer not to use my actual bank account for anything shady. If I'm wrong, all it costs me is a few extra bucks and some inconvenience.

>If it comes to taste, those pictures aren't of my particular taste either but when you are giving feedback you have to be objective. The level of detail in those pictures is astonishing and there is clearly many hours of work and reference behind them, so the fact that they aren’t in your range of sexual preference doesn’t qualify them as “the worst examples”.

No, I don't have to be objective. We're talking about the value vs the costs of support. The value is ALWAYS determined by any individual person, by whatever criteria they personally have. A exquisitely drawn picture of Donald Trump naked is of less value to me (and I hope you would agree, to you as well) than a decently drawn picture of naked Gwen. If Incog switched to daily Trump sex pics the objective quality might be the same, but many of us would find no value in it. Replace Donald Trump with, say, Kim Kardashian, and Gwen still wins handily (though, Kim wins over Donald). People who hate loli would value a good naked Kim pic more highly than an awesome, Incog-level Gwen pic. It's inherently subjective.

To me, the crossover pics have less value than virtually every other pic in the thread, even the black and white ones. So, they're the worst examples you could have chosen to make your point to me (not to other people, certainly, but you were actually talking to me so I feel justified in giving my own subjective opinion). I stipulate that they're great pieces from a technical standpoint. They have less value to me than anything else Incog's posted in the thread.

"Worth it" likewise always means "worth it to me". How much someone can afford often factors into whether something is worth it to them. If I can get a $300,000 car, spending an extra $20 (or however much it actually is) on personalized license plates and buying premium gasoline at every fillup might be worth it, but if I can only afford a $100 used car on its way to the junkheap, no.

And no, not everyone is using that same pledge system... I've seen plenty who offer requests for less price, or who have less followers and so your requests are more likely to get chosen any month... arguably artists who aren't as good, but again, people can make their own decision on whether "awesome artist that draws things I'm kinda into" or "less-awesome artist draws exactly what I want to see" is worth it more to them. Now, true, Incog's been far more generous than most, especially for his skill level, but it doesn't mean he's always going to be the most worth it for me or anyone. It's gotta be an ongoing evaluation. Right now, I don't know where things stand, I'm less eager about supporting, but I'm willing to see it in motion for a while and decide.

If I wanted to be an asshole, I'd stop my pledge while we're in the "waiting to see how things shake out" months save the cash, then maybe start up again if requests become part of the pledge tiers again... that'd be my best financial bet... but I'm not going to do that because I really do like Incog and WANT to support him ongoing.
No.209891
Anonymous
Well this thread has really gone places.
No.209892
Anonymous
>>209884
>personally, I don't like the crossover stuff much. I'll look at it, I'll occassionally even fap to it, but I much prefer in-one-universe porn.

Same, but it helps that he has a criteria so the girls look similar. Really appreciate that he did that.
No.209893
Anonymous
>>209887
And this is what happens when someone thinks with his dick instead of with his brain.
No.209894
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209899
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just popping in with replies. I see there has been a lot of discussion so I'll just be covering main points so I can get back to coloring something.

>>209877
>So, when you post the pictures here and on jab, are you going to post all the ones you've finished at once or just one or two?

I plan to post them a week after they were posted, and then going in order of what I completed. This way I will have a blank week, but then I should be back on with close to daily updates. I don't really like the idea of bulk uploading and then not updating for another week.

>>209879
>I gotta say, I'm having anxiety about you hosting your stuff on Patreon now. Even if it's legal in the US, I have a feeling that Patreon will shut your patreon down as "stuff that gives us a bad rep" if someone in power actually sees images of cartoon children fucking hosted on their own servers. But you've looked into it more than me, I assume, and I'll trust your judgement, I just don't want you to be fucked over.

I can definitely see where this comes from. I have been hesitant to do so for a long time, but there are many factors that contribute to me finally going for it. On a personal level, my Patreon is making so much less than I could be making just by taking commissions. Since I am stuck making a commission style system to make the page worthwhile this is something I have to consider more. The fact is that my page was not working as I had it, so I have to do something to fix this or I'd have to abandon it in due time anyway. I figured that even if it's risky it's a necessary adjustment anyway.

Now for the less personal reasons, it does not seem Patreon has any issue with loli. In fact, I've seen tweets from the actual owners of the site stating this when they were discussing the topic of what to do with 8chan's Patreon page. They had no problem with the intended type of content on the site but rather the use of TOR and the blatant exploitation it was receiving as a result. In the end they shut it down, but the fact that it had loli was stated to not be any part of the reason. It appears that Patreon's rules against pornography apply only to real porn due to the legal complications of it. In fact, all Patreon pages have payouts blocked for a set period after a page has received a set amount of revenue, mine included. These pages are only unlocked after a manual review, which I am sure they would have seen all of the loli discussion and links on my page. My page was verified as legit and my funds were unlocked to me without issue.

The other reason I feel Patreon is a safe bet in this regard is they are not so much worried about image in that sense. They make so much income from their portion of processed payments that they do not seem to need advertising revenue. They have a NSFW tag for creators to tag their page with so that their page remains hidden from all search/browse results unless you have an external link to the page. This prevents them from having to worry about people stumbling across pornography while randomly browsing Patreon, on top of the fact that the content would be invisible to anyone not logged in and paying to see it. There are so many walls to access such content that I feel they have no reason to be concerned about it affecting their image that much. They're already known as a heavy source of support for hentai/34 artists by the associated communities yet I have yet to hear of anyone getting a page taken down for that reason, despite some making thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars a month. Heck, even Gelbooru has a Patreon page.

>As for the tiers changes, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do, though it does make me personally a bit less eager to do ongoing low-level support. Honestly I don't know yet, I'll probably see where it goes for a while. I mean, I bought a prepaid gift card pretty much just for the purpose of supporting you with it long term so I might as well stick with it until the card runs out at least. And it's not a matter of you not deserving it in any way, it's just that I can't afford to support all the people I think deserve it so I tend to be pickier and, call me selfish, but a 'cost/value' evaluation starts to tick up in my head with those I consider.

I appreciate the support until now and I definitely understand your feelings on that. I've actually lost over a handful of patrons already since the change, but the fact remains that I've only seen a small bump in my support amount from the few that have already upgraded, or the 1/2 that have jumped in at the new benefits. I'm revamping my system and I am more than ready to acknowledge that some people have been supporting for the benefits of the old system, or that the new system simply does not seem appealing to them. This is the reason why I am trying my best to utilize my closing request posts to make sure there are no lingering feelings from people that may feel they are being cut off without being given the chance at what was promised. I also fully acknowledge that not everyone can afford to pledge more than a dollar a month, which is why I wanted to offer something in the $1 pledge for so long, but I've had to come to the realization that doing things for too cheap has simply been crippling the capacity for my page to grow.

>>209881
>I think incog will be doing raffles quite often. He's pretty generous.

I did note in my pledge rewards that I really want to get to being able to do requests again. The problem is that I simply cannot afford to do them with so many current guaranteed requests each month if I am to have time for anything else. Once those are cleared out I definitely plan to do line/color request pools again.

>>209883
>I take then by your cost/value that neither this >209634 nor this >209727 met your standards and Incog isn't worth your money anymore?
>
>I'm sorry to hear that, anon, but I'm pretty sure Incog is doing his best. Maybe you’re too picky?

I am indeed doing my best, but it is also true that different people value different things. I want people to feel free to post their feedback here, as long as they are not being insulting to anyone around here. People have their own opinions/capacities, and I sure as hell know I could not afford to support an artist, and if I did I would have to be picky about who. I really do appreciate that someone is willing to discuss their support options with me regardless of input.

>>209884
>I bet you walk around like this too, all cool and shit

Well, when speed-walking/jogging. My normal walk is even cooler.
No.209895
Incognitymous
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>>209885
>Yeah, sorry, I'm not linking my bank account to the supporting of loli sex pics. Remember, that sort of shit's not legal in every country and even if patreon swears they keep shit confidential... they're still a business, not a bastion of free speech and privacy. There was a time I'd have thought HF would never ban loli, and look where we are today.
>
>I'd rather pay a few bucks more (really not that much when you buy the bigger $ amounts) for a little anonymity. I consider it a tax, just like I know that as much as I'd like to I'm not donating the full amount to Incog, Patreon gets their cut, and so does the anonymity tax.

I can't blame you on that. I myself was hesitant to put up any information on Patreon, but I also do not live somewhere it is illegal to make/support loli content.

>>209885
>As I said, I'm not leaving anytime soon. We'll see how it goes longer term. I'm just giving feedback that Incog can take or leave as he refines his Patreon. Better he knows where the various segments of his audience actually are than kiss up and promise to support him no matter what when it's just not realistic for all of us.

Thanks for sticking around. I do appreciate every form of feedback. I'll really try my best to keep it appealing to everyone, although as mentioned above there's not a lot I can promise for the lowest tier. I'll try and maybe get a sketch request thing going for it in due time if I can clear out my guaranteed requests. I'd really like a system of selecting from a sketch pool on the first week, a line pool on the second week and a color pool on the third week of every month. I'd also likely limit the sketch pool to only $1 patrons so that the higher tier patrons cannot take away the $1 tier's benefits.

>>209887
>If I wanted to be an asshole, I'd stop my pledge while we're in the "waiting to see how things shake out" months save the cash, then maybe start up again if requests become part of the pledge tiers again... that'd be my best financial bet... but I'm not going to do that because I really do like Incog and WANT to support him ongoing.

Hey, I wouldn't blame you. I can say now that unless I get really lucky and get an explosive surge of patrons that I will not likely be able to start requests back up any time soon. I figure it will at least be several months before that will happen, and if that is the only benefit you seek then I would not blame you if you wanted to step down until I can bring them back.
No.209899
Anonymous
Replies:>>209959
>>209894
>I did note in my pledge rewards that I really want to get to being able to do requests again. The problem is that I simply cannot afford to do them with so many current guaranteed requests each month if I am to have time for anything else. Once those are cleared out I definitely plan to do line/color request pools again.

Nice. Didn't mean that we should be expecting you to prioritise doing requests for us again as we're trying to move forward into structuring a self-sustaining Patreon for you. I just meant that you might be feeling generous one day and pick a random request from the pool to surprise a patron with.
No.209900
Anonymous
Can't people just mind their business and let the artist make art?
No.209901
Anonymous
>>209900
It's customer service, genius. Incog excels at it.
No.209902
Anonymous
Replies:>>209919
>>209901

I have no problem with him making money you defensive ass. I'm referring to people saying Incog will be shut down for his content.
No.209903
Anonymous
Replies:>>209959
>>209900
I do agree that incog is allowing people to dictate how he structures the business. He should really just run it and have everyone fall in line but let's assume he's merely trying to guage interest.
No.209919
Anonymous
Replies:>>209940
>>209902
>I'm referring to people saying Incog will be shut down for his content.

It's not maliciousness, it's just concern. It happens when you care about someone.
No.209940
Anonymous
>>209919
Then, instead of discourage him about drawing with legal lawsuits, do some research before addressing such a ccomplicated topic.
No.209942
Anonymous
Replies:>>209959
Did you make your new profile pic on patreon, incog?
No.209955
Anonymous
Replies:>>209959
So glad incog isn't full time on this board anymore, means he's working on his personal projects. That paywall is working too by the look of it.
No.209959
New Ben 10 Thread
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just started a new Ben 10 thread, so hopefully that is up soon. It's just a simple piece but I wanted to have the rest of the day to do the final guaranteed request for the month. Just popping in with an update because that's a thing I do.

>>209899
>Nice. Didn't mean that we should be expecting you to prioritise doing requests for us again as we're trying to move forward into structuring a self-sustaining Patreon for you. I just meant that you might be feeling generous one day and pick a random request from the pool to surprise a patron with.

Well I do still want to add requests. I like doing requests, it's just that requests proved to not be a sustainable model, requiring far too much work for the little returns. Of course, having a different model means requests would be secondary, so I wouldn't get to nearly as many as before but I still want them to exist in some manner. It's just I need to clear these guaranteed requests from my plate before I have time for extra stuff like that.

>>209900
>Can't people just mind their business and let the artist make art?

Hey, it's an Incognitymous thread, so technically discussion Incognitymous related is relevant to the thread. The thread is dying anyway so it's the best time to discuss.

>>209901
>It's customer service, genius. Incog excels at it.

Thanks. I do try, although sometimes there are a lot of messages to respond to so I have to postpone some of them.

>>209903
>I do agree that incog is allowing people to dictate how he structures the business. He should really just run it and have everyone fall in line but let's assume he's merely trying to guage interest.

I'm not trying to let them dictate, I just want to allow feedback on the system. I'm not going to bring anything in as a reward if there is any chance I could not deliver it, or that it would eat up too much time. I just want to know what people feel are the best incentives to pledge so that I can consider my options.

>>209942
>Did you make your new profile pic on patreon, incog?

Yes I did. I promise you it's just a bottle rocket, although it seems perverted minds see something else.

>>209955
>So glad incog isn't full time on this board anymore, means he's working on his personal projects. That paywall is working too by the look of it.

Well, sadly not any personal projects yet. I've opened discussions to get feedback on how to carry out my first project, but I still have one last guaranteed request to get to, then color the 4 pages of Azula and gang, then a few requests to clear out from past pledges. Only then am I clear to start on things, but sadly most of the month will likely be gone by then.
No.209965
Incognitymous
Replies:>>209974
Haha, so I remembered to change my name to "New Ben 10 Thread" to start the new thread, but forgot to change my name back when commenting here. Just amused myself with that so I figured I'd point it out.
No.209967
Anonymous
Aaayyeee incog. Really good to hear from you man.
No.209974
Anonymous
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>>209965
Hehe well it alerted me to the fact that you'd made a new one! Thanks for the fresh Gwen, she is positively delicious.
No.209983
Anonymous
Replies:>>210033
>>209959
>Of course, having a different model means requests would be secondary, so I wouldn't get to nearly as many as before but I still want them to exist in some manner.

Even if it was only when the mood struck you we'd still be grateful. I'm excited to see what you come up with given full reign to create everything that you've always wanted. We're all spectators to your grand scheme unfolding, it's an interesting period.
No.209999
Anonymous
Replies:>>210033
>>209959

Is it just me or does the it look higher quality? Also, I really like how Gwen wrote her name on the lube.
No.210015
Anonymous
Replies:>>210033
Congrats on reaching your goal on patreon incog!
No.210017
Anonymous
Incog, do you know what the Ben 10 comic you wanna make is about yet? I'm curious.
No.210021
Anonymous
Replies:>>210033
>>210017
First contact I believe, ie: a prequel to all the sex scenes we've seen so far.
No.210033
Incognitymous
Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Just popping in now that I'm finally done with guaranteed requests for the month. Just got to clear out the last few requests in the final pool, do the next calendar piece and color the Fire Nation lolis. After that I'll be good to get started on whatever I want with the rest of the month...however much time that may be.

>>209974
>Hehe well it alerted me to the fact that you'd made a new one! Thanks for the fresh Gwen, she is positively delicious.

No problem. There's always room in the world for some fresh Gwen. Hopefully there will be much more of her to come in the very near future.

>>209983
>Even if it was only when the mood struck you we'd still be grateful. I'm excited to see what you come up with given full reign to create everything that you've always wanted. We're all spectators to your grand scheme unfolding, it's an interesting period.

I'm hoping it all works out soon so I can get started on what I've wanted. As it is now I may not have much time this month to get started on a personal project before next month's guaranteed requests kick in, but hopefully next month the guaranteed requests are all I have to get to. I'll also be imposing a rule for now of no CGI characters simply because they take me so much more time, making them nowhere near worth the amount the slots are worth. That wasn't a problem before, where I gave up the idea of having time anyway, but now I need to start imposing such limits, at least until things can get started.

>>209999
>Is it just me or does the it look higher quality? Also, I really like how Gwen wrote her name on the lube.

Well it did help that it was just one character with a simple background. I can't generally put as much time/quality into figures when I have 2-4 characters per image. This is especially true when trying to knock out around 4 pages of 4 characters per page. Trying to get the figures perfect in these cases simply takes too long compared to a single character pinup.

>>210015
>Congrats on reaching your goal on patreon incog!

Thanks. Your comment actually made me step back and look at my page. As soon as someone drops a slot I'll definitely clear out the amount mentioned so that the goal can be reset.

>>210017
>Incog, do you know what the Ben 10 comic you wanna make is about yet? I'm curious.

To sum it up in few words, it's pretty much going to be about Ben and Gwen's first sexual encounter (not actual intercourse at the start), which turns into a few more mischievous sexual encounters before they finally go all the way. I'm still leaving a post up on Patreon with the intended plot broken down into different parts so that patrons can give input until I can start working on the story.

>>210021
>First contact I believe, ie: a prequel to all the sex scenes we've seen so far.

Pretty much this.
No.210036
Anonymous
i saw incog last night in kyders stream on piczel kyder was multistreaing with megasweet and john doe
No.210043
Anonymous
Replies:>>210059
>>210033
>I can't generally put as much time/quality into figures when I have 2-4 characters per image. This is especially true when trying to knock out around 4 pages of 4 characters per page. Trying to get the figures perfect in these cases simply takes too long compared to a single character pinup.

So true. I have noticed the difference too. Your figures can be just the slightest, tiniest bit off when you have a full plate. Hardly an issue with the high standard of accuracy in your work though.
No.210045
Anonymous
>>210036
Jesus Christ.. The Elite.
No.210046
Anonymous
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>>210033
>I'm still leaving a post up on Patreon with the intended plot broken down into different parts so that patrons can give input until I can start working on the story.

So only patrons can see it and have input.. Time to sign up
No.210047
Anonymous
Replies:>>210059
>>210036
He does that. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't do it more.
No.210049
Anonymous
Replies:>>210059
>>210033
>I'll also be imposing a rule for now of no CGI characters simply because they take me so much more time, making them nowhere near worth the amount the slots are worth.

Haha good move. Brilliant works though. And you explored your limits too so it wasn't a total loss.
No.210056
Anonymous
So wait will Incog only be posting his pictures on patreon now? Will they no longer be posted here
No.210058
Anonymous
>>210056
Read his posts
No.210059
Incognitymous
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

So here is the sketch of my September calendar girl, Raven. I still plan to post all /pco/ oriented projects publicly as soon as they are complete, as well as the in-progress sketches/lines. I am undecided on the background at this time, but if anyone has any ideas then feel free to speak up. I'll start on the lines soon.

Also, I'm likely going to stop using my Twitter page now. I used it for patrons that wanted notification of new posts, but now that I make new posts on Patreon instead of editing an existing post they should be able to receive notifications that way from now on.

>>210036
>i saw incog last night in kyders stream on piczel kyder was multistreaing with megasweet and john doe

Yeah, people seem to like to multistream on Piczel, so if I drop by one of their streams I seem to end up in all of them. It really is a neat feature, especially in that it allows multiple artists to stream in the same time frame without competing for viewers/chat.

>>210043
>So true. I have noticed the difference too. Your figures can be just the slightest, tiniest bit off when you have a full plate. Hardly an issue with the high standard of accuracy in your work though.

Yeah, it's all about time effectiveness and what I can expect to have to put into a single piece. Also, doing a single figure makes things even easier as you don't have to put in the extra effort of maintaining proportions between characters, but it also helps that the figure is larger in the canvas. Doing a character in a comic panel will result in much less emphasis on individual body parts compared to a single character pinup. As such, it is easier to properly portray details like hands and feet since it becomes worth putting in the subtle details of their anatomy.

>>210046
>So only patrons can see it and have input.. Time to sign up

Yeah, as much as I like to keep it free, I have to offer whatever I can as an incentive. It definitely seems to be working as I've hit a goal that could free up time for the first time ever. Until now it's just been throwing more time into doing individual works for patrons in hopes that things would escalate, but alas it simply didn't work out.

>>210047
>He does that. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't do it more.

Well I like to pop into just a couple streams a week. The discussions in chat to get distracting, and I mainly just pop in to say my greetings just to see if anyone there has any comments to direct my way. As mentioned before, the streams I show up to were suggested to me by patrons that frequent them, so I sometimes have Patreon related discussions with them. In the last stream I discussed the details of someone's guaranteed request for next month so they've already sent me the full details we discussed in advance via PM. Generally, though, greetings are made, small talk is had, then I just get back to drawing while occasionally checking back on chat to see if anything interesting has popped up since I last checked.

>>210049
>Haha good move. Brilliant works though. And you explored your limits too so it wasn't a total loss.

Yeah, it was definitely an interesting experience, and it's not like I plan to never do such works again. It's just that for a $50 slot with 2 fully colored figures with a background, all details up to requester's discretion, it is too much to do more than simpler 2D characters. I could try drawing the 3D characters in 2D and just coloring them that way, but even that is extra work to translate the character over and I often don't like how they look.

>>210056
>So wait will Incog only be posting his pictures on patreon now? Will they no longer be posted here

They will be posted here, just delayed. I had to spend the first week not posting in order to build up stuff to post behind. I made the changes on the 8th, so today is when I can start posting. I plan to start posting the finished pieces that I did last week in the order that I completed them as this week continues. I still finish about a piece a day so I should be able to do close to my usual daily updates, even though I will not be posting WIPs here anymore (outside of my normal /pco/ projects).
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Anonymous
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>>210059
>I could try drawing the 3D characters in 2D and just coloring them that way, but even that is extra work to translate the character over and I often don't like how they look.

Exactly, don't compromise on that. I like that you subscribe to the "Do a good job or don't do it at all/ do it properly or what's the point?" mantra.
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Anonymous
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>>210059
Man that is cute. That little body in that provocative pose is quite the combination!
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Anonymous
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>>210059
>It definitely seems to be working as I've hit a goal that could free up time for the first time ever.

Congratulations incog, your hard work is paying off. I think the most difficult part of this self-employment game is staying on top but if you innovate and keep your finger on the pulse you should see these numbers steadily rising into the next year. Innovate or die as they say. Stay vigilant with your affairs on the outside world too and pre-empt any factors that would take advantage of your success. Lot of hustlers orbiting you from what I can gather.
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Anonymous
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>>210059
>I had to spend the first week not posting in order to build up stuff to post behind. I made the changes on the 8th, so today is when I can start posting. I plan to start posting the finished pieces that I did last week in the order that I completed them as this week continues

Ohmygo.. so we can expect a deluge of incog art in the coming thread? I bet you're brimming with excitement to share those XD
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>>210059

Make the background fall themed maybe? Can't really think of anything else.
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Thanks again to my current Patreon supporters. The support is greatly appreciated. If you would like to show your support my Patreon can be found at http://www.Patreon.com/Incognitymous

You can find my latest works at http://jabarchives.com/main/profile/incognitymous

Here are the lines for September Raven, with the background still undecided. For some reason I felt Raven looks cute with a puffier labia minora, so that will be a recurring thing for her. Going to eat something then will decide on a background and color it. Not much else to say on that, except zipper and rage.

>>210060
>Exactly, don't compromise on that. I like that you subscribe to the "Do a good job or don't do it at all/ do it properly or what's the point?" mantra.

Yeah, I never did like the idea of compromising on that concept with CGI characters unless I was going lines only. I like to finish everything I start, so if I don't feel the style is time efficient then I don't feel it's worth even doing it if I'll have to rush/slack on the quality in the end.

>>210061
>Man that is cute. That little body in that provocative pose is quite the combination!

Yeah, that really is why I enjoy doing these. Drawing the girls being casually provocative just looks adorable to me.

>>210062
>Congratulations incog, your hard work is paying off. I think the most difficult part of this self-employment game is staying on top but if you innovate and keep your finger on the pulse you should see these numbers steadily rising into the next year. Innovate or die as they say. Stay vigilant with your affairs on the outside world too and pre-empt any factors that would take advantage of your success. Lot of hustlers orbiting you from what I can gather.

Thanks. I'm hoping that I can maintain a good level of support while being able to do what I desire as long as I can remain very productive. My real life situation is getting even more stable every day, so I'm hoping in a month or so that I'll be able to temporarily decrease my guaranteed request reduction goal even further to try and expand things even quicker.

>>210063
>Ohmygo.. so we can expect a deluge of incog art in the coming thread? I bet you're brimming with excitement to share those XD

Well, it will likely be around a piece of day so that I do not just update a week's worth of content then go silent until the following week. I only planned for this single week of no updates followed by my normal update schedule, minus the WIP updates. Once I get on a schedule it should feel like before, although the updates will still be a week behind.

>>210064
>Make the background fall themed maybe? Can't really think of anything else.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was thinking maybe trees with colored leaves, to sort of indicate Fall just beginning. Leaves change color>leaves falling>bare trees/leaves all over ground seems like the best way to do the Fall months, followed by an increasing quantity of snow as Winter hits/progresses. There was someone on my Patreon that suggested a back to school theme, with Raven in a classroom, to sort of counter the out of school piece done for the start of Summer. Just not sure if I should do that as I chose more artificial backgrounds for Summer due to its lack of really indicative seasonal changes outside of just being viewed as sunny and hot.
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Incognitymous
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New thread up at >>210068
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>>210074
Thank you very much sir!
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Anonymous
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are you going to keep working on Sultry Summer? or u dropping that for this Katara one?
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Anonymous
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are you going to drop Sultry Summer?
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Anonymous
>>212020
>>212047
There's a new thread on Page 1 dummy
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Anonymous
i just went into the gallery for Sultry Summer, checked page 0, 1, 2, 3. nothing new posted there. what are you talking about?
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Anonymous
Is there a new thread for Incognitymous? I just joined his site and am VERY interested in seeing about some more art.
I'm not a member of Patreon.