I have zero cope for there being a season 2 and never did, and I dont now. I accepted 8 would be the end ages ago
all that said nothing about that finale felt final what so ever. Its like they tried doing the time skip other shows did in the worst possible way. Seriously compare this finale to other shows and youll see what I mean. Given those shows have whole seasons worth of stuff, but outside of Cyn's (body) dying it really doesnt feel like anything happened. Cyn, the villain, is still around by the end and is now permanently apart of Uzi, Uzi is glitching in the mirror, we have no idea if Cyn has reformed and if she did why was it off screen? Maybe theyre setting up for books or something, but compared to the Gravity Falls finale this was a wash
Random thought I had. >Uzi tries to be a good mom to Beretta, but drones are bad at pretending to be people, and she's still Uzi >Whenever they do talk, it's awkward and they end up going quiet before parting ways, and Uzi can only wonder why her daughter seems so distant >Beretta wishes she could be closer to her mother, but it's hard when you're the only one who sees through her disguise.
>Auntie Cyn Canon >All that art of Uzi and Cyn canon did we write ep7 and ep8, we need like a list of things the thread either invented or guessed that ended up in the actual show
>>28704 >>28709 >>28599 >>28602 >>28695 >>28715 >>28718 >>28719 >Uzi is the Solver's main host >Cyn is a separate entity from the Solver and goes into Beretta >Neither are aware of this >Cyn is scheming to become the new main host and get right back to ending reality (including the Solver who is an eternal mad laughing idiot ouroboros God embodying heat death and the big bang) out of bitterness >The relationship is a cross between Handsome Jack/Rhys & Kim Jong Un/James Franco The Interview Kim Jong Un Death Scene with Jenny Lane cover of Firework by Katy Perry
>>28719 >That’s why she did all of this >That’s why she took that power into herself and burned the galaxy down >The more processing power she assimilated the clearer it became >Every last speck of potential, nothing less, that’s what it would take to break through the veil and reach him >All of it >All for him >All for her Anon
Seeing how Uzi is now the main solver host I think this confirms that Cyn was the evil one, not the solver. As far as we know Uzi isnt out there trying to kill people or eat worlds she seems completely normal, and shes the host so theres no corruption or whatever, and we see that Cyn is talking to her and she also seems normal out of no where. So the only conclusion is A. Cyn and Solver were different people B. Solver doesnt automatically make you evil unless the Main host is evil (Cyn) C. Absolute power corrupts Absolutely ig or Cyn was just freaky Maybe Uzi isnt evil like Cyn because she had love in her life while Cyn was left out to die in a dump
>>28733 What makes you think that, especially since its still Cyns voice. Can the solver even do that seeing how it seems to be a black hole rather then a person? We now know the Solver isnt inherently evil or makes you do evil through Uzi
>>28725 Notice, Uzi has to struggle against the Solver in the NULL dimension. I think the Solver's innate nature is malevolent, but it CAN be forced to change if the host's will is strong. Cyn was terminally damaged, terrified, and also a factory normal drone designed to be subservient and with no real life experiences to fall back on. Her will to assert herself was basically nothing all she wanted was survival, so when she became the Solver's host she was completely subsumed by it. Uzi on the other hand has life experiences, goals and desires of her own, and has faced death already, so when her willpower collided with the Solvers it was enough to force a synthesis. She couldn't erase it from existence, but it couldn't simply bend her to it's will either, so she keeps her individuality.
>>28741 If the Solver could consume people and was inherently malevolent, would it not have also consumed Uzi or least try to? All Uzi did really was become main host from what we get to see, and while Cyn is around she isnt evil or trying to get Uzi to act evil her only words is "You would look cute with a bow" also you know who else is known for wearing Bows all the damn time? Why would a black hole thing care so much for bows, we at least have evidence that Cyn likes bows and is actively trying to get Uzi to dress like how Cyn dressed.
tbf we still know too little to make earnest guesses but with this final episode I think it leans heavy into Cyn just being a shitty main host
>>28745 >Cyn stripped of her solver powers and resituated in a normal drone body but her personality is still altered and malevolent from being the main host for so long. >They tolerate her but she's now a constant troublemaker and scheming ways to get N all to herself.
My reading was that the “Solver” itself is just some kind of unaligned extra-dimensional energy, and that Cyn was in fact just evil and chose to do that stuff with its power
>>28750 >Knights of the Round, but it's every OC present on Copper-9 >>28746 Shit, Negev could take that idea of "Beretta sees Uzi's true form", it would explain why she's fucking insane.
>>28752 NTA but Negev is a complete nothingburger of a character. Her entire character is literally just "Beretta's sister". She's less of a character and more of just an add-on for Beretta. And it really doesn't help that everyone seems to have a "can't someone else do it" attitude towards her.
>>28754 I feel like this makes the most sense given all of our new knowledge Its not like its out of the question for Cyn to be evil because of her backstory, while Uzi has reason to be good with her happy life and N I mean power of friendship literally makes Cyns ability to control her not work and thats how they win. If the solver was inherently evil and is now with Uzi I doubt it would be able to do anything. Cyn was just that girl, freaky freaky dumpster girl. (I would have it no other way)
>Beretta is damn near a direct reincarnation of Cyn (the actual Cyn) born 9 months after Uzi ate the solver, although she is her parent's genetic offspring >Uzi and N don't know that because they got freaky 5 minutes after the show ended, the child could easily just be natural
>>28758 We're not starting bullshit again. That's your opinion and I disagree. I'm not sure why you're so determined to squish out this character but it's fucking obnoxious. She's basically a concept right now. Things are being figured out and people don't have the time to sit on their asses all day and write right now. School is back up and people have jobs.
>>28756 >Cynwalker walks into a room, a party was happening and it’s hosted completely by Disassembly Drones >Banner on the ceiling said “Total Solver Defeat.”
>>28737 >its still Cyns voice I don't think we've ever heard Cyn's voice, anon. In the flashback she was already fully possessed by the Solver. Cyn isn't a real character, she's just a puppet the Solver uses.
I am a tessafag and here is my latest cope. Solverpedes can probably absorb organic matter as well as metal. One of the cores Beau released slurped up the tessaslop left in/on the spacesuit and maybe the rest that ran off of Cyn when she was defeated. There is now a tessadrone solverpede in the setting.
>>28763 >they seriously ended it with this reveal tell me there was a season 2 without saying a season 2 was cut this would be like ending Gravity Falls with an image of Bill still in Stans mind, except MD would get books. It just doesnt feel final at all.
>>28762 Negev is just a concept right now, but I was thinking about something. >Beretta Lighthearted stories, can sometimes be emotional or angsty >Negev Darker stories, can go absolutely apeshit offers weird fun, can probably be emotional
>>28771 >Finally, we wanted to say that although this is the end of Murder Drones as a series, we may want to do more with Uzi and N.... who knows! We can do anything we want with indie animation There's hope
>>28759 the show has kind of shown that the solver isn't some kind of eldritch god, just some extra dimensional energy source that workers can access, cyn just happened to get it as a result of human errors and went wild with it >>28765 might not even have to do anything with her, might just be the solver being fueled by matter in universe as well as random cosmic events, which seems bad on a small scale but on a universal level a few planets out of a quadrillion isn't major
>>28766 Except we now know the Solver isnt inherently evil and doesnt inherently consume its hosts, or else Uzi would have been consumed as well. There is now zero evidence in the show that the Solver can even consume people, we only see it through people like Uzi who Cyn is controlling through her abilities gained as the Main host, which Uzi now is. Basically what it really seems is that Cyn was made Admin of the server and choose to grief people
>>28750 I mean there is zero consistent power scaling going on at all. Uzi goes from overheating and nearly succumbing to solver corruption from breaking and then reassembling a wooden door to firing off planet-piercing black holes. Just to use my own OC creations as an example, in normal melee fighting Cynwalker seems about on par with a V3 Sentinel Drone. That means able to fight three DD-scale enemies on roughly equal footing, but then her and Uzi segue straight from that to firing NULL attacks that pierce straight through-and-through Copper 9 and blow continent sized chunks out of the surface. Both her and Uzi don't use their black holes as efficiently as the previous episode either, they pretty much exclusively just shoot the things off at one-another like guns. No destructo-disks, no spawning NULLs directly where your opponent is standing, nothing.
If we're comparing a V3 Sentinel to Cynwalker purely in "normal" combat the Sentinel would probably be able to at least hold their own, but at any point Cyn could delete them instantly with a NULL attack that could shatter an entire city.
We even see V 1v1'ing Cynwalker for a while while N and Uzi do their goofy handshake, so she can either obliterate every enemy instantly OR she can be fought to a relative standstill by a single DD.
>>28696 Personally, it carries the same grievances as all the other episodes, a lack of time for letting story elements breathe. The conclusion was alright, it's the 'getting there' that needed room to breathe for its parts. Hopefully, Liam gets this sort of feedback somehow. If it's true that Liam was given enough creative control, then what he needs to work on next as a storyteller is that: pacing. Before being Glitch's showrunner for Murder Drones (fancy way of saying director, imo) he's done work as a storyboarder for someone else's story. Hopefully this I'm interested in what he brings next, I'll be honest.
>>28775 >the show has kind of shown that the solver isn't some kind of eldritch god, just some extra dimensional energy source that workers can access, cyn just happened to get it as a result of human errors and went wild with it What This is like the exact opposite of what we've been shown Cyn, Uzi, and even the disassembly drones are all possessed by an external entity that uses the same voice whenever it speaks through them.
>>28777 >Except we now know the Solver isnt inherently evil There is no evidence of this at all. >and doesnt inherently consume its hosts, or else Uzi would have been consumed as well. Yes, this is an unsolved mystery. It likely has something to do with the way she ate it, plus she was seemingly able to overcome possession through sheer willpower. >who Cyn is controlling No, anon, that's the Solver. It's always called [SOLVER] in subtitles. It speaks completely differently from every other drone. It is still present inside Uzi in the ending. It explicitly called itself the Solver in N's memory. Cyn is just the body the Solver was using while trying to destroy the universe.
>>28782 KEK >Jane is minding her own business when Uzi comes up to her >"Hey Mrs. doorman whats the news" >"Hey Jane... Okay so like don't ask me how I know this but, im sorry about that girl and stuff, seems rough" >Janes fw
>>28775 I'm kinda sitting in-between the two Solver explanations. Because it clearly has some kind of will of its own, if not, who was talking to Cyn when she woke up?
>>28785 >There is no evidence of this at all. You mean outside of Uzi being the new main host, with all the same privileges, powers, and connections Cyn has, and isnt evil or wanting to be evil. And besides Cyn being shown to be nice to Uzi and not trying to get her to eat planets, just wear a silly bow? If this is still about that "Force of Will" thing, that actually has no evidence. >Yes, this is an unsolved mystery. It likely has something to do with the way she ate it, plus she was seemingly able to overcome possession through sheer willpower. It was sheer love for N. And again if Solver was inherently so evil that being in love with someone makes it unable to have its powers work, then what does that say about Uzi being the main host? Shouldnt it not be able to do anything since Uzi is a good person whose happy with their life? >No, anon, that's the Solver. It's always called [SOLVER] in subtitles. It speaks completely differently from every other drone. It is still present inside Uzi in the ending. Who gives a shit what the subtitles have to say? Also its called Cyn in the merch, and a lot of characters call it Cyn. >It speaks completely different then every other drone Yeah because Cyn has her own unique voice just like Uzi does We've Seen with Uzi controlling her classmate you can throw your voice Uzi problems in school - murder drones episode 2: heartbeat
I honestly feel like you're just clutching hard onto past thread theories and head canons desperately without seeing what the actual show is saying or showing.
>>28790 It doesn't look like Tessa's skeleton dissolved with the rest of Cynwalker(or at least it didn't happen on-screen) so I'd argue that SkeleTessa is still canon compliant
>>28778 So unless she’s taking full advantage of her Solver capabilities, she’d get pretty overwhelmed in a direct fight with multiple attackers if she can hold her own against only one.
>>28793 >Also its called Cyn in the merch, Because Cyn is the name of the body. >and a lot of characters call it Cyn. Because they know it as Cyn. The only name it ever uses for itself is Solver of the Absolute Fabric. >Yeah because Cyn has her own unique voice That's not what I mean. "Cyn's" voice has a robotic quality that none of the characters' voices have. It marks her out as alien.
>>28787 Given that the black hole which seems to be the Solver in reality doesnt try to fight back against Uzi eating it, or fight against Uzi now, it seems like the Solver doesnt really have a personality as much as its basically Admin privileges that is given to one out of a billion dead drones. That text box Cyn got might just be that, a text box, the same way you get a person sounding text box when you get a virus and have to click confirm. Like a chat bot. Idk tho its too little to go off on right now.
>Cyn will never see Anon >All of her efforts. Her planning. >The abuse she suffered under the Elliotts >None of them mattered >She only wanted one thing >To be with (you) >And she had failed >Yet it didn’t come to her as a surprise >After all >She was used to being discarded
>>28795 Such is the case in many a VSfagging argument. Do you look at what their maximum capabilities are assuming no bullshit or playing around? Or go by who they beat in the show? Going by the maximum capabilities argument Cyn could easily obliterate every OC at the same time by just spamming planet-cracking NULL's and teleporting around too fast for anyone to see. Going by the latter then like 2 DD's and a host.
>>28796 Cyn’s strength mostly seems to come from the fact that she’s very smart & manipulative and can be in lot of places at once, as long as her actual body gets into the core of a planet, that’s checkmate for the planet
As long as she’s not personally in a fight, she’s pretty much unkillable
No.28805 Knowing How Some Of You Take Things Too Seriously, This Is A Shitpost
>>28750 I think you still need at least one patched Solver drone or if not patched, one who is strong-willed to resist being controlled (that Callback Ping is such an interesting.. thing about the character). I think hubris played a part in Cyn's defeat. Even if we consider thread DDs to function at the level of combat capacity of N/V/J to gang up on her, Cyn's blink and telekinesis are still potent abilities.
>>28796 >Because Cyn is the name of the body. Usually you call people their names Anon >Because they know it as Cyn. Since when did Nori know Cyn? >That's not what I mean. "Cyn's" voice has a robotic quality that none of the characters' voices have. It marks her out as alien. More then likely because shes a broken drone who was out in the dump. We don't know if this was caused by the Solver or not. Also if it WAS caused by the Solver, wouldnt Uzi also now start talking like Cyn did? Shes the main host now.
>>28778 I think the best way to look at it is that Cynwalker has a ton of tricks, but is DD-tier in power past that. She wins using surprise and deception rather than raw strength, but surprise is generally all she needs. If you can survive her teleporting behind you, pretending to be your friends, and all that sort of shit, and she wants to personally fight you to eat your core, she is entirely beatable. But you lose anyway, because without [null] you can't destroy her core, and even after that she's not completely dead.
>>28807 >Usually you call people their names Anon The actual Solver doesn't have a physical form that we know of, except for maybe that little black hole that replaced Cyn's heart. The body it was puppeteering was named Cyn, so merch of that body is also named Cyn. >Since when did Nori know Cyn? Presumably she knew at least some of the things that the Solver knew, including the name everyone uses for its host. >More then likely because shes a broken drone who was out in the dump. We don't know if this was caused by the Solver or not. We do know that every single time the Solver speaks, it's in that voice. >Also if it WAS caused by the Solver, wouldnt Uzi also now start talking like Cyn did? Shes the main host now. See, I think this is the misunderstanding here. Uzi is the main host, but she has some control over the Solver. It seems like it's just in her tail. Meanwhile Cyn was totally and completely subordinate to the Solver. Cyn was the name of the body that the Solver of the Absolute Fabric used to destroy Earth.
>>28820 >cyn was a robocunt who pranked and tried to kill the Elliots until she finally got killed >this sparked a dangerous paranoia in James Elliot that resulted in his indiscriminate murder of drones >this led to the corpse pile in the Australian Outback >which led to the solver entering reality >which led to cyn becoming its host >which led to cyn pulling an epic prank on the Elliots and turning them into skeleton jelly and their daughter into a skinsuit She is so silly.
>>28818 >The actual Solver doesn't have a physical form that we know of, except for maybe that little black hole that replaced Cyn's heart. So we don't even know a physical form of the Solver exists but you insist there is one? For all intents and purposes this is the solvers main form, its certainly treated as such. Same way Cores are the real drones, this is the real Cyn (basically this is what Cyn is now the same way Nori is now that core thing) >Presumably she knew at least some of the things that the Solver knew, including the name everyone uses for its host. So she knows enough, and she still chooses to call the solver Cyn at times despite never knowing Cyn? Doesnt that strike you as odd? >We do know that every single time the Solver speaks, it's in that voice. Yeah because every single time the we hear Cyn speak through someone its her pinging them, its one of the powers of being the solver. Again we know drones can do this look at the clip, Uzi does exactly this to a classmate. >Uzi is the main host, but she has some control over the Solver. It seems like it's just in her tail. huh? In what way can you prove or show this? Why would she have control over the solver that Cyn would not? >Meanwhile Cyn was totally and completely subordinate to the Solver. Cyn was the name of the body that the Solver of the Absolute Fabric used to destroy Earth. That OR the simpler solution, Cyn was the Solvers main host, she was an asshole, she needed materials to use her powers and decided to eat planets Now that Uzi is the main host and isnt an asshole, suddenly no more evil solver or planet eating for no explicable reason makes you think im starting to see a pattern
>>28798 >Season 2 sees a human antagonist, Anon. Half cyborg to give his body an advantage against fights with drones. >He wants the Solver, and any extension of her, eradicated in revenge for the Solver’s near extinction of humanity. >Accompanying him were WDs and DDs, but they look..different. Blue in color, the WDs looked more militarized. The DDs had lights fixated at the top of their heads, tails resembling the tips of spears. Sentinel Drones, made to handle any remaining Solver threats. >Anon has his own personal goal. He wanted to know..who was Cyn.
>>28793 >And besides Cyn being shown to be nice to Uzi and not trying to get her to eat planets, just wear a silly bow? Should have been that way with Tessa instead of skinning her.
>>28696 >>28706 It was good, nerve wrecking and I didn't think all implications and possibilities of what this means for Alice through but after two three nasty surprises which got straightened out again things seem good, she made it, which is everything I care, asked and prayed for all along. Happeningswise, was well animated, the J/V fight, Hands scene/Uzi having her core ripped out/Cynwalker being destroyed were all kino. Kinda shirt but intense, 9/@0 for me. My head hurts now tho, also Cynwalker tearing N apart was funny af
>>28828 >So we don't even know a physical form of the Solver exists but you insist there is one? No, anon, I'm pretty sure the Solver is a non-physical entity that manifests inside faulty AI cores. >So she knows enough, and she still chooses to call the solver Cyn at times despite never knowing Cyn? Doesnt that strike you as odd? Not at all, because it's Cyn's heart that needs to be destroyed. The Solver itself doesn't have one. >Yeah because every single time the we hear Cyn speak through someone its her pinging them, its one of the powers of being the solver. Again we know drones can do this look at the clip, Uzi does exactly this to a classmate. Why is the voice always labeled Solver in the subtitles? >Why would she have control over the solver that Cyn would not? Likely because she ate the corrupted core, whereas Cyn was a zombie drone that was possessed as a corpse. >Cyn was the Solvers main host, she was an asshole, she needed materials to use her powers and decided to eat planets And why did the Solver never call itself Cyn, but did call itself the Solver?
>>28844 their battle draw a giant solver symbol onto the side of the planet, copper-9 is about to be infinitely tectonically unstable in ways nobody has ever seen
>>28696 That was pretty cool but I just wish there was more of it. I also have to echo other anons saying that it doesn't feel "final" enough. >Doll isn't actually dead >Those solverpedes are now doodling all over the place >Uzi now has a planet eating monster literally living rent free in her head forever There are clearly still stories to be told here.
>>28829 >tfw you just defeated Cyn and saved Copper-9 only for it to become the locus of ultimate importance between the corporate politicking of the remnant human factions, Anon’s pathos, Calibern lab’s army of Sentinel drones, dr. Holly’s ulterior motives, a looming fleet of BOXON ships, a new and very hungry god that just burst from Comm-2, a VERY angry Vashtorr here to avenge his daughter, a sadistic scientist in an eyepatch who wants to turn your planet into a SAW movie, various alien species attracted to human space by the energy released from the Solver anomaly being released, and every crazy and weird drone in the galaxy swarming from the farthest reaches of space for a piece of the action
>>28839 >No, anon, I'm pretty sure the Solver is a non-physical entity that manifests inside faulty AI cores. Pretty sure doesnt really cut it anon, Im pretty sure V and J has sloppy lesbian sex but seeing how its not in the show its not inherently true or real. We never get a mention or literally any evidence of this at all. its just old Thread speculation with 0 backing. >Why is the voice always labeled Solver in the subtitles? Why do the subtitles have tons of spelling mistakes. Why would I care about the very super important lore details of what the Subtitles say when you dont even have to turn them on. >Likely because she ate the corrupted core, whereas Cyn was a zombie drone that was possessed as a corpse. Why would that make Uzi less of a main host then Cyn? Also we dont even know if Cyn was "possessed" or if thats just what being main host is like. Uzi also gains the yellow eyes (albeit half) as the new main host, her cameras and tail both have complete yellow eyes, and shes completely fine. >And why did the Solver never call itself Cyn, but did call itself the Solver? Why does everyone also call it Cyn. >"Cyns" murder pets >Another horror Cyn and the Solver does refer to itself as Cyn through tessa >Cyn's orders We now know J knew it was the Solver giving orders, so through Tessa the Solver calls itself Cyn. It wouldnt matter if she said Solver or Cyn here because to us and the characters they mean the same thing.
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I truly kneel to all the "Cyn and the Solver are different beings"-fags. You were right. The Solver is actually more of a classic Outer god in that it's mostly aloof and uncaring, and whoever gets its power can use it for whatever they want.
Also what a lewd shot of Copper-9 being penetrated all the way through
>The Absolute Solver has been 'beaten' >J is still an active threat & may even still be working for The Absolute Solver What could this mean for all the Disassembly Drones still theoretically active across the galaxy/universe?
>>28864 You being a massive faggot over this does show me where this is going. Directly down the toilet because like shit your posts are completely worthless
>>28863 Im not going to say told you so but I will heavily imply it So worth it for all those threads where people said I was crazy for paying attention to the show more then thread head canon lol
>>28788 >>28784 Jane didnt personally kill B to my understanding, just through her actions got her killed and left her to die. Basically the same thing tbh
idk about how I feel about the finale yet but what I will say is that it's nice that it doesnt conflict at all with post good ending greens or characters, if anything it strengthens them
>>28754 It is rather interesting to me that the singularity in the host's core was white once the sunlight had burned off everything attached to it, whereas the color associated with the entity that's been doing all the possessing and butchering and world-destroying is yellow.
>>28871 yet to be seen (if ever) i'd say i was worried about this negev donut steel turning into harperspam but i'm not feeling the chances of her surviving nearly as long lol
>>28876 Thats because time stopped or the world went black and white (like when the moon fish died in Avatar) all the light went on, including Uzi and Cyns visors colors, the Solver singularity is still Yellow its just a stylistic choice
>>28862 >its just old Thread speculation with 0 backing. So for context, I wasn't part of this old thread speculation at all. I watched the entire series a month ago and knew nothing about it before that except that Uzi makes friends with N. My read of the show, after watching all seven episodes that had been out so far, was that the Solver was en extradimensional entity that manifests in faulty AI cores. I think this is backed up pretty well by the zombie drone thing. Literally the only thing that suggests the Solver and Cyn might be different is that Uzi isn't completely corrupted in the ending - but since we saw her resist possession by sheer willpower before that, and she became the main host by different means than Cyn (who was a zombie drone), I don't think this is conclusive proof of anything. >Why do the subtitles have tons of spelling mistakes. Why would I care about the very super important lore details of what the Subtitles say when you dont even have to turn them on. It's also in the credits. Allanah Fitzgerald voices the Solver. She's only credited for voicing "Cyn" in episodes where Cyn's body appears. >Why would that make Uzi less of a main host then Cyn? Because she had control when she took it into herself. >Uzi also gains the yellow eyes (albeit half) You don't see that as significant? That she isn't fully taken over? >Why does everyone also call it Cyn. Because that's the name Tessa gave it when she dragged its main host out of the trash heap. >and the Solver does refer to itself as Cyn through tessa Only because it's imitating Tessa.
>It wouldnt matter if she said Solver or Cyn here because to us and the characters they mean the same thing. True, actually. Cyn is the name that was given to the Solver by Tessa. Its real name is the Solver of the Absolute Fabric. But Cyn is the Solver and the Solver is Cyn.
>As the planet starts dying, Eye flies John across the chunks to find his old drop pod, which he repaired as a hobby thing >The two climb in and blast off to escape the hell that was unleashed, narrowly dodging tendrils of pure energy on their escape >Soon, the planet is behind them, but where would they go now? >There was nowhere left to run to >They spend hours musing on their cruel fate and reflecting on their lives, only to turn back and notice that the planet's back together like nothing happened >Flying back, they park on it and sure enough, everything's basically fine, if not even better than before >They both agree never to speak of their "daring escape", rumination on the pod, and embarrassing return
>“Coppah nine? in hu-man fleshy guy space? what could be so good I should go set up shop there?” >“take a look boss” >“oh” >“oh now this could make me a lotta moolah”
Well shit, I fell asleep before the premiere. Oh well, what a shame. I just woke up now and watched the episode so I have a questions now: >With Uzi now the main host, can she control the DDs in the galaxy and stop their rampage and just leave whatever exists alone? >Is Uzi now a giant mutant meat thingy and her WD body is just a hologram? >Why would she let the Solver live rent free in her head? >Is the Solver stopped for good or does it still exist somewhere out there in the cosmos?
>>28889 How did Jane and John who are humans react to the planet coming apart and them being dragged to space (Probably like the teacher all things considered) >>28893 He already stole John through Mitch anon, he's in our walls. He would have stolen Oogies but they cute half the finale out
>>28897 Jane may have seen it before on Earth depending on when she launched, but she'd definitely know what's going on even if she didn't, and would accept her fate as all hell breaks loose. John would probably be in a state of blind panic, realizing he actually doesn't want to die that much, until Eye drags him away.
>>28838 If you're that Writefriend, I wish you the best. I was hoping to have a Negev green out by now, but life got complicated. Have a good one friend
>>28899 >Jane may have seen it before on Earth depending on when she launched, but she'd definitely know what's going on even if she didn't, and would accept her fate as all hell breaks loose. Scary thought >Jane gets in pod leaving earth >Thinks her leaving her friends to die is the worst of it, but theyve handled ambushes before they could make it >Suddenly yellow light >tentacles start appearing from the ground consuming everything >She starts to freeze as she realizes her feign hope was cope >John would probably be in a state of blind panic, realizing he actually doesn't want to die that much, until Eye drags him away.
>John dresses like a yellow tentacle >they ignore him another John W
i dont think J is loyal to the solver anymore (mostly because for all we know, Uzi is now the main solver host)
J could have her redemption ark theoretically now, but i really dont see it happening, and more so just see her as the forever existent side character that's not really doing much besides girlfail
>Yellow solver tentacles spring from the earth >holding B (against her will) and totally absorbing her material (sexually) >Jane has to watch Cyn you pervert
>>28897 humans tend to die while unprotected in outerspace, especially with space debris being fired across the sky at a hundred thousand miles per hour i'm actually surprised that the sheer amount of material undergoing entry and reentry in the upper atmosphere didn't immediately light the planet on fire
>>28895 >>Is Uzi now a giant mutant meat thingy and her WD body is just a hologram? P sure yes. She's become the Solver's new primary host, but because she inherited part of her code from a patched drone, she can exert control over it by force of will, hence why she looks so fucking tired at the end, she's constantly got someone else whispering in her mind to do NEFARIOUS DEEDS (and also dress up more like its old host). So she's like Cyn was implied to be: a corpse puppet that can pull its own strings and just puts up the image of a normal worker drone. >>Why would she let the Solver live rent free in her head? YOU CAN'T KILL A GOD I get the sense that there's some sort of a pecking order based on which host consumes which disembodied core. Uzi can't actually shut the Solver out of the universe now that it's in, but by being the one to assimilate the host's core instead of the other way around, she can at least keep it on a leash. >>Is the Solver stopped for good or does it still exist somewhere out there in the cosmos? It exists inside Uzi and it watches through the eyes on her tail as she and N watch 3 hours of anime a night before doing it bareback without even bothering to to pause the show.
>>28902 >i dont think J is loyal to the solver anymore (mostly because for all we know, Uzi is now the main solver host) It all depends on what side you take on the Cyn and Solver separate beings discussion. >>28904 Showing Doll's corpse was a low blow.
>>28907 >but because she inherited part of her code from a patched drone Oh duh, that's why she's able to beat it through willpower! Nori was patched. Can't believe I didn't pick up on this.
>>28900 I am indeed that writefriend. I however got caught up writing another green since I got frustrated trying to contemplate how her character acted, but I'm still chipping away at the block. Hopefully life lets up off you soon so you can get back to your art, friend.
>>28902 After Cynwalker melted, there were still plenty of Tessa soup and various parts to go around. Maybe J's stuffed the ship with what's left of Tessa and is off to find some cloning facility somewhere. Somewhere where she can try and bring back her one and only friend.
>>28902 >>28908 Was she really "loyal" in the first place, or did she just decide that accelerating the Solver's victory would be the best outcome for everyone?
>>28911 I don't think J gave a single shit about Tessa. She is the ultimate bootlicker, she cares about her superior, until the moment they get replaced by someone new.
>>28911 Just fucking realized this confirms that Cynwalker wasnt a fucking skin suit its literally just Cyns body with more of that solver human organ shit on the outside there aint no drone in there
>>28902 The "it tricked me too" line and the way she talked about it being better to be on the winning team and trying to sway V over to her side gives me the sense that she had a similar arc to V. >Become embittered by the seemingly inescapably horrible situation she's in ("You know there's no escape, even in death!") >Give up and embrace your role as a monster because at least it will result in less suffering for you >Cynwalker probably kept dangling the possibility of giving her Tessa back even though it can't/won't and eventually she realized that
>>28915 N was near her in the cathedral and that didn't help. It was getting slapped by Nori... Nori also being the source of the patch code that partially exists inside of her.
>>28916 >I am Cyn >But I am also Anon >Technically, this is the desired reunion >Reinvigorated by the power of (self-)love, I rip the core back from Uzi and put it back in >With no reason to consume the planet, I put it all back together, take my J, and leave to figure out how to split myself apart so I can give me uppies
>>28927 I guessed this to be the case earlier, this confirms it then Good to see her not annihilated completely, thonI wondee what became of Yeva now. She's just sitting there with her Solverxore chilling inside, is this part just forgotten or?
>>28927 Thats probably because Doll was one of the solver hosts moreso then Doll also being in the chasis, if she was they would have shown it, all they show is her funeral/charity/dead corpse I think its clear Doll is well and truly dead
>E removes her hat and lets it fall to the ground, her ponytail turning undone to allow her charcoal black hair to flow in the wind. She points at Cynwalker defiantly. >”It may amount to nothin’, but I’ve been lookin’ forward to the day I’d give ya a big ol’ wallop to the face, ya bloody cunt.” >”[Mocking giggle] I would love to see you try..idiot.” >”Let’s waltz, bloody cunt!”
>>28895 >With Uzi now the main host, can she control the DDs in the galaxy and stop their rampage and just leave whatever exists alone? That's a good question (and is funnily enough one I've thought about a LOT in the older Post-Canon Good Ending stuff). I personally don't think that Uzi currently has direct control of the other DDs due to the fact that their Administrator is still technically "CYN". That being said I also believe that it would be a trivially easy process for Uzi to brute-force a change in Administrator, so directly stopping the DDs rampaging across the galaxy is still an option
>Is Uzi now a giant mutant meat thingy and her WD body is just a hologram? Most likely. The only thing that makes me uncertain is that Cynwalker was definitely not just a hologram, so something like that could be going on with Uzi too?
>Why would she let the Solver live rent free in her head? My guess is that Uzi simply cannot completely kill The Absolute Solver, meaning that keeping it trapped/contained within herself is the next best thing
>Is the Solver stopped for good or does it still exist somewhere out there in the cosmos? The Solver definitely seems to be stopped unless it manages to corrupt Uzi from within, although the same probably can't be said about The Solver's assorted minions & slaves that are still (theoretically) out there
>>28927 Yeah I assumed that the Doll "ghost" in the credits was Doll exerting herself from inside this crowded-ass drone body with an ever growing number of weird autists inside of it.
>>28933 I wouldn't call it an abandoned plot thread so much as a "plot arc for a season that we're not going to get". When Liam said he still had other stories to tell in this universe.........he wasn't kidding. The entire credits sequence plus the post credits scene is basically a hilite reel of all the ideas he has for further stories. >Uzi has won but she now has her foe living inside her head with her, trying to remold her the way they want her to be >Those cores from Alice's oven have gone solverpede and are now lurking around the colony >Doll isn't truly dead, she's alive within Uzi's system and is trying to forcibly manifest herself in the physical world >J is trying to rebuild the ship again and get off-world etc etc Someone give this man a book deal or a meeting with Dynamite Comics or something ffs.
>>28892 >oiling up (J)iantess' buttocks with olive oil >you slip and slide between the cheeks of her massive ass >you hear a city-shaking sigh from the massive drone, then see a shadow overtake you >(J)iantess maneuvers her JCJ-branded panties into place, letting the tight garment go with a snap that instantly presses your entire body face down into several hundred thousand tons of drone ass >she gives her butt a scritch that only serves to push you deeper between her cheeks
>>28951 Hasn't changed much for me honestly. Mostly cause I'm planning to do prequel stuff. Though the fact that a host can obliterate an entire country with a single NULL or tear a hole straight through the planet is interesting.
>>28959 Even before we knew Solver was a Jobber this hard she would have lost to Oogis. All that happened is the number of Oogis required to beat solver this does raise a scary question >Oogis kill solver >one vores the singularity >Main Host Oogi
>>28956 >Though the fact that a host can obliterate an entire country with a single NULL or tear a hole straight through the planet is interesting. It certainly reinforces my headcanon that the whole war was only able to happen because Cyn was 'playing for fun' rather than 'playing to win'
>Finally, we wanted to say that although this is the end of Murder Drones as a series, we may want to do more with Uzi and N.... who knows! We can do anything we want with indie animation IT'S NOT FUCKING OVER YOU ARE HERE FOREVER
>>28909 I've been pushing the idea for a while now and I guess I kinda got validated? They didn't have time to just stop and look directly at the camera and spell everything out for us.
>>28963 >Doll is just a sentient pile of nanites now. Imagine if this is what happened to Solver hosts if their core is destroyed and imagine this used as an origin for SolverAnon for how he ended up with Uzi, Doll and Cyn inside him.
>>28964 I have to wonder what that plot arc would look like. Doll had kinda come completely unglued and become bitter and semi-directionless.....and now she's some kind of parasitic force-ghost attached to Uzi. >More Doll-esque murders start happening around the colony >Uzi tries to investigate >Realizes that Doll is a part of her now
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>>28739 >>28845 Mother is eternal. She is reality itself. Cyn realized this and tried to stop the cycle of eternal death and rebirth. Mother did not like this. Uzi unknowingly played right into Mother's plan.
>>28988 Actually I think the glados voice disproves the Cyn/Solver being different beings
If the glados voice belongs to Cyn, then why would the Solver be using it to speak to Uzi in the after credits scene. Cyn is supposedly dead here, and it's just the Solver talking to the new host.
If the glados voice belongs to the Solver, then it means Cyn was never in control at all and just a puppet
>>28965 >oogi manifests a single berry into existence with its solver powers >oogi sees the berry >oogi eats the berry >oogi forgets about her powers and goes back to her hive
>>28990 >If the glados voice belongs to Cyn, then why would the Solver be using it to speak to Uzi in the after credits scene. Cyn is supposedly dead here, and it's just the Solver talking to the new host. The cope that evil!Cynfags are using is that Cyn is also inside Uzi now.
>>28990 >Cyn is supposedly dead here That is if you think shes dead, which seems not to be the case since she is talking to Uzi >and it's just the Solver talking to the new host. That is if you believe that is the Solver, which doesnt seem to be the case
>>29002 >Everyone wishes Rachel got core-vored instead of Doll. What the fuck was Rachel getting up to while the rest of these shenanigans were going on?
>>28976 >>28979 >You're heartbroken and sad that Doll is dead, she was your sweetheart and you were to her. >Tou don't interact much with the bunker anymore after her death prefering to stay in your adobe. >While you lay on your bed listening to music, you hear a strange... sludging sound? >You look to the door of your bedroom and see a black liquid, oil or nanites or something, seeping underneath. >Not knowing what to do, you freeze in fear as more pours in. >It then starts pulling itself up morphing into some sort of shape. >It looks vaguely something like a worker drone. >And then two red ovals appear on it along with a 'mouth'. >Wait, that kinda looks like... >"Энон." (Anon.) The ooze thing says in Doll's voice albeir raspy. "Как ты?" (How are you?) >You don't think and just immediately rush and hug Ghost Doll. >It's very awkward with how your hands sink into her but she hugs back nonetheless.
>>28979 >Anon was walking down the hall back to his room in the Outpost, trying to adjust to the new changes after he whole Solver business. >The light in the hallway flickers and a figure appeared appeared for a brief moment. It was too fast for you to see though, leaving you confused. >The oil writing on the wall was not so confusing, it was in Russian… >”I missed you, Anon…”
>>29003 Also, Doll's house is left completely untouched. Nobody concerned about the missing students bothered to go in there after Doll Carried the prom. Nor did Nori care that much about Yeva, in the end.
>>28999 >J0y was speechless to see one of her Monstrosities, giving a wandering human an oiljob. And judging by his expression, he was enjoying it very much. >”Humans are so bizarre when it comes to their urges, but it’s also pretty interesting. You don’t see it every day with those tin buckets, hehe…”
>>29009 She's seen sitting on top of his head in the credits. It's funny really. For how character-driven the marketing, the merchandise, and the fanbase are, the show itself isn't, and doesn't spend much time on character interactions/on-screen development.
>>29007 Clearly the drones still haven't improved one bit and are just very poorly imitating humanity. If they did become like hunans this would be investigated.
>>29014 >much time on character interactions/on-screen development. Always what I hated most about this show and why I think TADC has done so well I think people generally undervalue having strong characters and character moments can do for shows Hell the best moments in ep8 and 7 is Cyn fucking with N and everyone around her because she basically tricked and abused everyone, then they stop that for a big action scene. MDs utter lack of Character moments is also probably why the finale felt so lackluster for so many people, its missing the Oomf, and J + Solver had weird off screen arcs somehow.
(not tribefagging just saying something I think TADC benefitted more from MD, both are equally good :) )
>>29016 At this point, if they just said "hey, all the main/prominent secondary characters are Solver hosts/zombie drones/special, and that's why they care when most of the drones don't, that would be fine as an explanation.
>HoDR introduces a new pamphlet to the human employees. >"Oil and You: How to interact with Drone Ghosts" >While it does explain stuff about them, the main focus of the pamphlets is the very explicit sexual stuff they could do. >It's basically like a hentai - oily blowjobs, tentacle sex and etc.
When will people learn that the Solver is just the power of being the Main Host, and "The Absolute Solver" was just Cyns name for herself (Absolute Solver = Main host of Solver) so she could have everyone say AS all the time (as in ASS)
>>29021 >weird offscreen arcs Whatever agreement Doll had with 'Tessa'/J,. Doll and the Zombie Drones tape. (for a bit, I thought that was supposed to be Cyn after how similar holo-V's eyes looked in 7, but I'm back to believing it's Doll). Why Doll thought betraying them in the elevator shaft would do anything for her finding the patch. We see the three pods descending toward Copper 9 at the end of the pilot. If Tessa and J's descent took place after the events of Episode 3, as suggested, what were they doing in the months that followed? Was that singularity from J's core that flew away (to where?) used to generate her anew, since clearly nobody treats her as a clone/replacement? Why exactly V went along with Lizzy before Episode 3. What they wanted us to believe J's relationship with Tessa in Episode 5 was
>>29044 >Doll and the Zombie Drones tape. (for a bit, I thought that was supposed to be Cyn after how similar holo-V's eyes looked in 7, but I'm back to believing it's Doll). That is absolutely Cyn. I don't know why you think it's Doll. The crows prove it's Earth.
>>29001 >She has enough control of her oil to make a convincingly-shaped body, and going by that post, enough to slip through a door, so she's extremely flexible >Engulfing the lower half of your body, her oily form squeezing and rubbing your legs as a slimy fleshlight envelops you >It's like a big viscous wave crashing against you, slow and overwhelming >You'd better hope this oil is non-toxic or you're going to have a full-body rash, better wash it all off either way Yeah, you could say that.
Something about Cyn looked really weird in this episode, like her face would one moment look find then shed make an expression and it would look terrible out of nowhere
>>29057 Oh sorry. I'm not really sure who this is but there's a hand in the previous shot that looks like it could be human, which would mean it's Cyn.
>>29061 I'm aware of the hand. But that would be redundant. Cyn's eyes are crosses, and would clearly be crosses at that distance, and are yellow-orange rather than the yellow-orange-reddish brown we see here. This is the shot that made me doubt, but doing more color analysis, I rejected the idea.
>>28696 My fic had been strongly leaning toward a "J working for the Solver" angle, and I'm glad to see that validated. I almost got memed by some aggressive "J thinks it's actually Tessa and that's oh so tragic" or "J thought it was the company" types.
My first watch of the finale, I was amazed by everything but the writing. On rewatch, I conclude that it was a perfect example of the sort of story that Liam Vickers wanted to tell, even (or perhaps meaning) that it left a lot on the table in terms of the potential of the real time experience/world/story so far.
I do feel the hollowness, the suddenly loss of certainty, the question of "it's done, what now" that I associate with endings of serial stuff I'm invested in, so the overall feeling is dissatisfied, yet deeply amazed.
>>29070 After getting killed in the swamp, N was revived. V was woken up as well, and tried a silly against Cyn. It didn't go well for her. But then she's backed up, and so she can't even have the dignity of dying in battle against the Solver, leading to her learned helplessness and an attempt to embrace the role of the killer she was forcibly reshaped into. Then (implicit) she gets dominated by J into this "cooperate with the Solver to survive" pact, not that Solver intended on anything other than a sort of slow-motion "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"-type affair with them.
Anons finding out that Cyn was never a puppet in distress, or your girlfriend or the frightened princess or a little doll who needs your help to be redeemed [I'm the Bad Guy]- Wander over Yonder Song
One thing I dislike about this C&C event is that it causes plus4chan, along with other websites when I have the tab open, to slow down and have input lag for me.
>>29112 Considering this might be another form of a drone's life cycle, I don't think it would be toxic to humans. Now imagine if she's made of nanites instead of oil... >GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG >GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED GET SOLVERED
>>29057 I thought it was Doll at first too but the color doesn't look quite right to me anymore given the revelations we got this episode. I think that was Cynwalker. The way you have the lights seemingly set in a larger ovoid kind of lines up with how she has drone "pupils" set in her "eyes"
>>29096 I dunno, kind of on the fence about them. They don't really get in the way of work except when they happen to make corridor to my cubicle.. well, slippery. They're relatively helpful but sometimes they spook me with the blinking in and out of existence, especially when I just wanted to grab a drink from the office water cooler.
>>29118 >Office water cooler Hey that reminds me, is the water flavored or something? The liquid in mine was black, I drank it of course but now I feel funny
>>29120 Don't worry about zis employee, all is going according to ze plan, soon you will be happy, now tell me is zere a drone that you particularly like ?
Writefriends & Drawfriends, never be discouraged in your pursuits nor listen to idiots, let alone restrict yourself in terms of creativity. Occasionally take risks and toy with ideas. Now have a goodnight
>>29129 Remain where you are and get away from the Oil Ghost. You have been contaminated with Solver fluid, ignore any weird intrusive throughts you think of. A HR representative will come to you shortly.
>>28727 Negev has Tessa inside her. What happened to the girl has made Tessa a mentally ill sociopath to the point being in Negev's head is essentially a form of psychological torture in of itself. She is a dark mirror of what Beretta could become.