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Anonymous
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>come here from real 4chan because /co/ might get merged with /tv/ and /lit/
>no catalog
>multiple adventure time threads
>mlp isn't quarantined
>can't start a thread with a jpg

H-hi plus4chan /co/...
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Anonymous
Greetings. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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Anonymous
MLP isn't quarantined here, either, to be fair. And I don't think we have a catalog.
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Anonymous
>244300
He's talking about us, not 4chan /co/

>244296
>>can't start a thread with a jpg
CP bot deterrence. They nail small *chans.

Welcome. Just a head up, this place is much slower than regular /co/. Also, we have porn boards (from before /aco/ and /trash/ were a thing).

(Aren't there usually multiple adventure time threads on regular /co/? Or have they slowed down a bit.)
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Anonymous
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>244296
Welcome, stranger. I hope you enjoy your stay. We try very hard to not become a hugbox, and are barely doing that.
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Anonymous
>244303
Oh, that explains it then. But we don't have two adventure time threads, do we? I only see one on the front page. Unless he means there's one back in the older pages, but if so those are probably multiple months old.
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Anonymous
>244305
Probably. New threads don't get made often so expired threads are still visible on other pages.
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Alpharius
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>244296
>/co/ might get merged with /tv/ and /lit/
I'm doubtful. /co/ merging with /tv/ is to horrible to imagine.
>no catalog
Plus4chan is too slow for a catalog.
>multiple adventure time threads
Are you referring to >243802 ? It's the /co/ webm thread, /co/mrade.
>mlp isn't quarantined
Technically. It has it's own thread, and again, too slow to warrant it's own board. /mspa/ was a board, but that got cut in the transition to the current format, megapause and the gigapause killed the already slow posting. And /a/vatar, one of the main reasons I came over here years ago, is now a zombie board that only mods can make new threads due to add bots flooding it constantly otherwise.

Also, we have a radio http://boards.plus4chan.net/rad.php and you contribute by posting in the threads on the boards that support mp3. /baw/, /co/, /cog/, /jam/ and /mtv/. 7MB size limit. We also allow webms with sound, up to 7MB. I also recommend reading this thread >>/baw/391791 to see the other features plus4chan has to offer.
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Anonymous
>>/baw/391791
>anonex is going to reskin it eventually
lol

I totally forgot about the dice, and I never knew the fortunes worked in /pco/ and /draw/

Also, reminder that "i am gay" theme shifts the posts to the left like 4chan (if you are gay).
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Anonymous
>244303
>Also, we have porn boards
Its literally all ben 10 shit.
If you have other stuff, anon it'd definitely be welcome.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Welcome to the Floating Fortress! We have cake and tea. Just…just avoid the Politics threads on /baw/.
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Alpharius
>244311
>avoid the Politics threads on /baw/.
Do as you say, not as you do. No?
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Anonymous
>244310
>Its literally all ben 10 shit.
One thread. Two if you count Incogs thread as Ben10.

>244312
this
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244312

I’m already in the quagmire. Doesn’t mean I gotta drag others down with me.
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Anonymous
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>244303
>(Aren't there usually multiple adventure time threads on regular /co/? Or have they slowed down a bit.)
HAHAHAHA.
No, no, they're dead, they're like, all dead. Unless you count the threads about "what went wrong".
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Anonymous
>244315
Only threads with actual updates.
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Anonymous
>244320
I beg to differ. I don't like the loli threads and I still have thread that bump regularly.

I post in them regularly too, except that I have exams this month.
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Anonymous
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>244296
yeah I'm here from 4chan's /co/ too. it's nice to know that there's a place that can replace 4chan in case shit over there gets worse.

>/co/ might get merged with /tv/ and /lit/
what?
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Anonymous
>244333


sound like the olden days of the board. Cept nobody really gave a shit a bout sitcoms and dramas outside of those that were action or actually funny.
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Anonymous
>244333
>/co/ might get merged with /tv/ and /lit/
Seriously? I doubt it, sure there's a lot of MCU/DCEU shit but plenty that isn't, plus half of /tv/ threads are about actors instead of works. Only thing they have in common is some occasional /pol/ leakage but by that logic all boards should be merged together.
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Anonymous
>244351
>all boards should be merged together.
let's do it. Hiro would be easily convinced.
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Anonymous
>244351
The MCU/DCEU content in /tv/ is basically people pretending they are hardcore Zack Snyder fans and being indignant about other people pretending that they are fans of the various Marvel movies who mock the DCEU movies, while in reality none of them actually give a shit. It's the most astoundingly stupid circlejerk of trolling I've ever seen.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244401

4chan is the birthplace of Weaponised Insincerity. What else did you expect?
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TeethandHunger
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I guess this is the new random thread in /co/.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244524

I…I wasn’t aware that drawing Spider-Woman in a suit so tight that it defies all practicality and shows off her anus somehow equates to “fighting censorship”.
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The Sneaky Tiki
>244524
Jesus Christ what a bunch of fucking creeps.
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Anonymous
>244526
This is what the comics fandom has come to.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244527

It's not even the fandom, it's people within the actual industry. Cho thinks his drawing pinup girls is somehow “fighting censorship”, when no one (in their right mind) has called for him to be legally prevented from drawing ridiculous pinups of female characters. At worst, the average "SJW" has either called for boycotts of his work or asked comic companies to stop hiring him, and either of those things are well within the rights of either consumers (the former) or publishers (the latter) to do.

What irks me about this is Cho and his supporters see “political correctness” (i.e., not treating women as sex objects) as a form of outright censorship, whereas I see it as…well, an obstacle. John Gilmore, creator of Usenet’s alt.* hierarchy, once said, “The [Internet] interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” Creatives would do well to see “political correctness” as an obstacle and route around it—rather than going straight for objectifying cheesecake, satisfying though it may be, Cho could try to find a new ways to show female characters as sexy without the pure objectification.

Incidentally, we already have a /co/ general running, but unless an actual mod has any objections, we could use this thread as a temporary spinoff for this type of discussion until the thread hits the bump limit.
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Anonymous
>244528
Yeah pretty much this.
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Anonymous
>244528
>Creatives would do well to see “political correctness” as an obstacle and route around it—rather than going straight for objectifying cheesecake
Like satire. Although that drawing might as well be if it were given without context. It's plain silly.
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Anonymous
>244528
Fandom and the industry are intrinsically linked at this point--none of the people working in the Big Two are first generation pioneers creating the industry from wholecloth. They're fanboys who got promoted because they could draw or write. Often not even that well, for both. Frank Cho and Milo Manara aren't Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko. They're nerds who managed to get selected to have their fanfiction and fanart have the official designation of "Canon."
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Anonymous
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>244524
WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER FAAAAAACE
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TeethandHunger
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244533

Satire? Well, not precisely. I’m referring to a more generalized idea than that.

In one of life’s great ironies, the absence of limitations is often a death knell for creativity. (When you can do anything, what do you do first?) Give a creative-type person a limit or an obstacle—“draw a sexy woman without making it all about the male gaze”, “write a story without using this specific letter”—and they’ll work around that limitation. Hell, people who make kid’s shows do this all the time, when you think about it.

Cho and his ilk don’t see “political correctness” as an obstacle to be routed around, but an enemy to be fought and vanquished. And that’s because those types—and Cho in particular—got lazy with their creativity and decided to rail against “SJWs” who are trying to “censor” his sexy lady artwork. (Cho’s insistence on including the “SJW” Spider-Gwen in his recent pinups is an example of both.) I can’t speak for “SJWs” and all, but I personally don’t want to “censor” Cho, Manara, or anyone else of his ilk. I want them to do better work than this. They're good artists, and I know they can be more creative than “here's a sexy woman I drew to piss you off”.
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Anonymous
>244524
The most pathetic thing about this is Manara's "sexy" women look fucking horrible.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244538

That was part of the reason I didn’t like that Spider-Woman cover he drew: The anatomy was fucking awful. At least Cho managed to make the pose look good (the version he did with Harley was the best version of that pose).
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Anonymous
Question: What do you guys think of Frank Cho as a comic artist?
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rasputin_zeroe9Z+3lbULwW
>244537
It's the utter lack of self-awareness that gets me. I mean, didn't they stop and think for a second that parading Spider-Woman's camel-toe at a convention panel might make them look like a pair of drooling perverts? It's like what I said about the Tracer butt-pose brouhaha, there are far far better hills to die on than one's god-given right to out-of-character cheesecake.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244540

He's talented, but he’s got his head shoved up his ass, especially in regards to “political correctness” and people talking smack about awful pinups like Manara’s Spider-Woman cover.
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Anonymous
>244540
I will fully admit I love his pin ups and covers.

But he's a right cunt.

Also I actually like Manara. Huge shame his introduction to american audiences was making a fucking cover for a pg book. He's explicitly a porn artist for fuck's sake.
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Anonymous
>244542
He's excellent at his job, but it's a shame he's such a whiny immature baby.
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Anonymous
So, if I get it right, this whole brouhaha started with Cho being pissed about Rucka and the edits to his WW covers, and spiraled down into his current paranoid delusion that everybody wants to censor his artwork and put him on a leash?
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>244545

I dunno the details for sure, but seems about right. Thing is, he has an absolute right to draw all the pinups he wants — no one can legally stop him — but that doesn’t mean comic publishers are obligated to hire him. He might have forgotten that somewhere along the line.
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Anonymous
>244546
Well, if I recall correctly (and if it is indeed the origin of this stupidity), that incident as Cho told it, was Rucka abusing his position due the terms of his contract giving him absolute power over the book's content, not simply the publisher mandating policy. Of course, considering that now it is clear Cho is a bit of an asshat, I think it's quite possible that his version leaves a LOT of details on what caused the issue.
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Anonymous
I think one important part to this is to remember Cho had to get dicked around a lot since he started in newspaper comics, not regular comics. The folks that he had to deal with there were a lot less free with what he could do and were wont to just trash anything they didn't like without having to pay for his work.

Now that totally doesn't excuse him, but it makes sense to watch his reaction considering what his editors used to do to his work.
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Anonymous
>244551
I started writing for my high school journal, it doesn't mean I still think my writing is distributed next to the 2nd floor vending machine.

The guy is more lucid than you're giving him credit for.
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