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/co/ General: Legendary Defender Edition

The new Voltron series drops next Friday. To tide you over until then, watch the show’s studio-crafted sizzle reel:

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I love Allura's new design in this. Can't tell if her hair is supposed to be blue or white like Kida's though.
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If the don't ever say the form such and such speech while transforming I'll be sad.
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I vaguely remember hearing that the Bryke is going to work on Voltron and that post mostly confirms it.
>the former Korra crew and animators
I'm curious about what animators got invited for this and which of the Korra animation studios they are going with.
Looks to be Mir again.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>I vaguely remember hearing that the Bryke is going to work on Voltron and that post mostly confirms it.
No, they aren't, they're just excited because people they know are. Both of them are working are things outside animation: one's writing a novel, the other a comic.
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Reminder that Muhammad Ali defeated Superman in a boxing match.

RIP to the GOAT.
Wrong thread dude.
rasputin_zero !!e9Z+3lbULwW
I made a post over in /a/ some months back about Voltron's particulars: >>119360
The showrunners are Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim dos Santos - they've largely got the Korra gang back together for this show, sans Bryke. I'm glad they got this gig, these people are way too talented to be out of work.
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Lupin the IX
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Voltron on June 10, King Julien on June 17, and Dragons on June 24
They should have had something lined up for the 3rd to have an entire month of Dreamworks.
I'd nominate puss in boots because I'm interested in seeing where they're going after that cliffhanger.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Is Shiro still going to die like Sven? Or will they just make Allura's role more proactive to compensate?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

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i don't have netflix, how long before I can watch the show pirated?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I’d expect a day or two, at most, between the official release and the torrents.
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A new drawing by Lauren. May or may not become something bigger in the future.
Best to that. Lady knows how to build a world.
If she pitches may it go well. I'd say she'd do a good job pitching to Netflix.
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First official teaser poster for Moana.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

7.8/10, too much water.
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Don Bluth and Gary Goldman said the Dragon's Lair pitch trailer already has 2.5 minutes done.
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Hoping for a Netflix pickup.
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>Voltron Legendary Defender is "Highly Serialized," Say Producers

I'm ready to see a show that builds upon each episode. And doesn't have a clipshow mixed in there.

>IGN: What do you think it is, beyond the serialization -- tonally, maybe -- that makes your take on the mythology stand out from previous iterations?

>Montgomery: I think we've tried to make the stakes feel a lot more real. I think the original Voltron was kind of a product of its time, and there was a fear of putting anything too real or intense in a children's show. Everything was kind of diluted and very easy and clean and safe, and we just want to, not necessarily make something super crazy or traumatizing for kids, but definitely bring in some of the real drama and stakes back into the story so that these characters do make decisions that have consequences, that will ultimately last throughout the show.

>Dos Santos: And, you know, I think there's something to be said for a bad guy that is just purely evil, but I always appreciate when there's a level of complexity to the villain. So if you look at some of the more popular villains out there, somebody like Darth Vader or Magneto, you know, there's this aspect of their character that you kind of relate to, and you understand why they might have made those decisions. I think we've tried to bring that into this show as well. As the series progresses and you get more filled in on the backstory, you'll kind of see two points of view. You won't necessarily agree with the decision to go evil, but there might be some relatable aspects there. Whereas in the previous version, Zarkon and the bad guys, they were just bad guys.

Lets see what happens when executives and S&P aren't looking over their shoulders.

Shiro likely to heel turn. I blame that moe Drow Witch
Wonder if they're aware of the original series GoLion.
As a good 80's giant robot anime, it was pretty violent and brutal.
They are. That is why they are going with Shiro as one of the callbacks to that version. Series goes up Friday so we'll see how much they pull from that source.
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Stupid brown space elf. Damn she's adorable.
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y
The first twenty minutes or so suffer pretty heavily from gotta-get-the-party-together-as-soon-as-possible, which results in a lot of characters doing things for unclear reasons. It gets better after that.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
oh thank gosh. I'm really diggin it so far, but it feels a bit rushed.

I miss Korra.
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Allura is a treasure.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Whoawhoawhoaholdthefuckup PIDGE IS A GIRL?!
Honestly I never realized they were implied to be anything otherwise until after I went back and looked through promo stuff. Guess I didn't pay attention to that too closely.
There goes Dreamworks with more of their season ending cliffhangers.
At least a couple of other ones we've left off on will be resolving later this month.
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Shiro is tripping up so many death flags, I'm amazed he didn't already die this season like the original Shirogane/Sven did.
Well, it is only the first 13 episodes.
Even though they're called seasons by Netflix, I think it's just generally considered by all the showrunners that the combined 26 episodes of two seasons is equal to a season.
Having just marathoned it, it's not really all that dark nor are the villains very complex (yet). Still enjoyed it though.
On the contrary, I'm convinced it won't happen. They've changed the show up enough in other ways.
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Sometimes /co/ can still come up with good stuff.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>On the contrary, I'm convinced it won't happen. They've changed the show up enough in other ways.
I hope it doesn't, because I like the guy, but that was kind of the point of the original Shirogane.

He came to earth in a Robeast Drop Coffin. He was supposed to destroy but needed up going Goku. How long till he gets activated?
Alpharius on the move
>Lin-Manuel Miranda
Huh, that's cool.
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Hm, the Home cartoon already has a release day for next month. While there's still nothing on Del Toro's Trollhunters.
Maybe they're saving that for the winter so it doesn't have to compete with Voltron.
Wonder how DreamWorks ATV can use this one.


please stop pissing me off, hollywood
Oh and omitting the part

>if they talked about the policy they'd be blackballed from working with any studio.

May some judge give them an exploration with a barbed wire bat.
Alpharius on the move
That is a dark rabbit hole. I'm curious if that whole wage-fixing debacle is what is also happening over in Japan or if the massive number of studios, artists and currently airing shows make the Japanese animation job market a completely different beast.
Its Similar. But mostly worse going by all the stories of how the companies treat their workers.


and more


Excuse for the Badasarian story is there a non union shop (and assholes)

But this case its just they are assholes that got caught I believe during the Sony email leak which exposed the collusion (which as noted those being abused cannot talk about lest they get blackballed)
Oh, speak of the devil and he brings news.
It is looking for a December release.
I wonder when we get to see a trailer.

A little interview about working on the show

Cool article. Nice they got a 78 Half Hour Episode Order. Pretty Respectable. Netflix Batch system seems to work quite well. Always good to read up on what one can possibly get themselves into.

Also love what they talk about wanting to do and how far they are allowed to go.
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The fun part about that is when you can clearly see what did make it through for each example they give of something that didn't.
Like the part where they talk about Julien inventing a food that looks like shit that got rejected for looking too much like literal shit; that joke still ends up in there, it's just a regular chocolate bar instead.
Well it does look like a Baby Ruth which does have that reputation of looking like a turd. Doing the most why staying within the limits the key to animation.
The Sneaky Tiki
Why is the intro for Voltron so incredibly terrible?
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It's fine if not much more than that.
T4 was here
The Sneaky Tiki
Mediocre is the worst thing an intro can be.
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Well, the first episode doesn't have one, and Netflix autoplay skips the opening, so it's not really a big concern.
At least you get to see the sweet moon cutter DWATV logo.
The Sneaky Tiki
Goddamn it I can't find a good way to torrent Clarence.
Geez, Finding Dory is heavy.
I kind of forgot how scary it can be that Dory forgets, and they just basically bring that to the front the entire movie instead of near the end like with Nemo.
Found the Star Trek cartoon on Netflix. Animation isn't that good. But the stories are pretty damn up to par. Wasn't the story that all the scripts for the cartoon were unused they didn't use for the show when it was cancelled.
They rehired as many of the same writers as they could, and reworked some preexisting scripts to fit the half hour format.
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Clip of Ben 10 Reboot.
Why did anyone think this was even necessary?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

CN can probably still make money on the merchandising.
Pretty much it. Omniverse hit the wall on how much product they could push so they are now going with this.

Vocals by Mike Pollock
(Rise of) Lyrics © 2015 by Mike Pollock and Bill Freiberger

Just listen to this.
Heh. So Hardcore Shadow or Beach Bum don't give a shit Shadow? Which is funnier.
Edgecore Shadow with long monologs will always be funniest, but a Shadow who takes his beach bumming seriously would be funny too. "I am the ultimate beach enthusiast!" Shadow would scream at random while building his sand castle.

Boom Sonic is more of a beach bum type anyway.
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An ancient evil has awakened, I have a hard time imagining what Dulcinea is going to do about it.
She's Pureheart OP
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Still a tall order.
Puss in Boots felt like it got a lot better in the second season with the addition of a little bit of serialization, so it'll be interesting to see how they go about resolving the cliffhanger the previous season built to and what they do afterward.
It'll be disappointing if it's just over in a two-parter and then right back to purely episodic hijinks.
Yea Puss in Boots was one of the earlier ones and I think after the first season that Netflix started to learn they wanted Serialized shows. Next season will likely carry that trend.
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Also, new cartoons
I bet you didn't expect Dreamworks to bring Spirit back.
Mister Twister
I thought Spirit was a Lion King ripoff. Why make a brand new TV show based on 20 year old ripoff?

It's gonna suck.
As long as they don't touch Prince of Egypt I'll be happy.
I never really got a lion king vibe from spirit.
I don't think he even has an evil uncle, it's man that's the villain.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

So it's a Bambi ripoff then.

Netflix cable box integration.

Cool, looks like DreamWorks deals are safe.
Why not watch it before deciding what it's a ripoff of? I mean I haven't seen it either, but it seems kind of douchey to insist that a movie you've never seen is this or that.
Why would you think it's either of those things? It's obviosuly Every Young Adult Novel About Small Chldren With Wild Horses: The Animated Motion Picture.
Perhaps it was meant it was like Lion King in the way it influenced everyone to draw their cartoon horses in the style of the movie.
I guess.
Do most people do the same human-esque horse eyes thing Spirit does?
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Looks like 2D is always fucking needed:
Well sure. Can't sketch a CG model.
Mister Twister
And yet, lots of people are still convinced you do not need to draw anymore now that 3D animation exists.
I mean, most things have story boards.
It's useful for planning things.
And rough action animatics without the in betweens frames to get a sense of the motions and such,
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Spark is finally acknowledged, and was previewed SOMEWHERE:
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It felt like a bit of a cop-out for the giant thing he summoned to be just a statue, but I do like how it's always looming over establishing shots of the city, even during more light-hearted episodes.
story mode is really working for this show.
No longer invisible but now inaccessible at the top of a looming demon wolf. I think it works.
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Very surprised the show flat out said Clyde has two Dads, instead of just implying it by having them stand together all the time.

Well Nick has thrown support behind the Korra and Asami paring after it came about and gained positive attention. Guess its just a advancement of all of that going forward.

And if you believe Bryke, Nick always had their backs on it, but couldn't afford to actually show Korrasami as a full-bore romantic couple because of concerns about overseas networks (specifically in countries that have strict rules about that sort of thing).

Well that and the unwritten rule that they all including the executives had accepted that it just couldn't be done. Also knowing how often one of a same sex pairing often gets a death flag in their relationship it's likely a good thing it was at the finsh line.

But now there is a baseline for such things going forward. From the way the Voltron crew talks it may be something they want to visit. Nothing solid on that but I wouldn't mind that sorta thing playing out with a new inclusion to the cast on that show.
It's on Netflix so it's up in the air but I imagine they have looser restrictions than network television. Anyways I have high expectations for any queer romance in Voltron being better written, since they would have had time to plan it from the series' inception, and they already have a buffer of at least half a season for the characters to form bonds first, rather than diving headfirst into a crappy love triangle that poisoned the characters for the rest of the series like Korra did.
Didn't expect much from the guy who ran Dexter into the ground but that was actually kind of amusing. Is the show any good?
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Am I being rused? I don't recall hearing any of these guys in the commentary tracks.
Chris Savino's Dexter run was bad, but his PPG run was not bad. He worked on some good stuff, like The Flintstones: On the Rocks.

I don't watch a lot of TV animation these days, but I liked the preview episodes Nick released. It's probably the most relatable show on the network.

>I think they knew at that point that what we were doing with the show was right and they should just kind of continue letting us make it as we were making it, with no real stepping back and redoing anything.It was really great to see that it tested well, although I think it was also just the right place and the right time. I think that at the moment kids are looking for something a bit more relatable, but that’s going to change soon enough. I think it just happened to be that kids had had enough of funny animal cartoons, or snarky potty humour shows, especially on Nickelodeon, and hopefully they are ready for a human-based show that has a lot more heart than you would expect.

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Well, apparently, this is happening:

>I think it just happened to be that kids had had enough of funny animal cartoons, or snarky potty humour shows, especially on Nickelodeon

I wonder if this encompasses the hundred hours of Spongebob reruns per week?
Which is funny since Loud House started out as a family of Rabbits and about double the number of sisters. I do wonder if this had been green lit closer to the release of Zootopia if that would have stayed.
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So, this woman managed to take a class at Gobelins during summer holidays, and produce this:
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Are you sure that was not better put in the Cartoon Animals thread?

What, are they not allowed to post it in this thread?
Mister Twister
The cartoon animals threads were originally created as a place for drawings that did not really belong anywhere else (as least that's what I wanted). Anon is just making fun of my earlier post.
But then why did you do you earlier post? >>243489
Mister Twister
Because the way I saw it, the webcomics thread was made to post page updates, since that's all the content posted there. The already existing fanart thread was for all /co/-related fan drawings, while the wc thread had the new pages.
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The Scotsman, /co/ version:

Credit goes to Anonymous.
That was a good thread.
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I'm trying to give the Home cartoon a chance, but it's not making a good first impression with its DWA logo.
Thurop Van Orman is on it so I've got confidence that it'll be fine even it it doesn't look that snazzy compared to the others at the moment.

Also they've picked up his Black Forest film which is cool. Go Thurop.
Mister Twister
I liked it better when it was a 5 minute short.
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It's nice to know that, even before getting the full funding, they are already doing some work on the movie.
I backed it back when but man, I have been awful at keeping up with it. I think there's a backer exclusive dev blog even? How's that?
Mister Twister
If you paid, I think, 15 bucks, you got exclusive access. I gave 10.
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This is happening.

Well, almost.... mostly...
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And Lego does a great monstergirl again!
Also Green Knight gives zero fucks and I love him.
Wrong thread, furry fetish is over there.
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>furry fetish thread
Sadly, that description is now very correct.

In other words, Finding Dory is a frickin' masterpiece.
Mister Twister
*in other news

Heard good things. Those with family suffering from mental illness will be greatly impacted. Positively.
Mister Twister
>Heard good things
You mean you haven't watched it yet? Do it fast, once it leaves the theaters, it's ogre!

Eh no good ones around here. Netflix should have it in a few months since they've now got that agreement with Disney.
Mister Twister
That sucks. People should have at least 1 good theater (relatively) close to them.
Watchmen - Adapting The Unadaptable
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Oh hey, a new episode of Lucky Pie came out two months ago:
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I guess he was only there for a bit
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Hillbilly is fucking amazing.
>Ben 10 is an international sensation.

Huh, learn something new every day.
Oh yeah.
He's pretty big in latinamerica.
Actually getting theme park rides and parts of the toy line they'd not bothered to release in the US. Always interesting to hear of another Saint Seiya type situation.
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Anybody else see Kubo and the Two Strings? It was amazing.
Loved the behind the scenes stuff. Crazy scope of the stop motion they made for the film.
Probably will see it this weekend. Anyone know if it's worth watching in 3D?
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What if it's all connected into one Dreamworks universe?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Nobody’s a nobody and everybody is weird like you and me

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It's OK, accentuated the visuals but doesn't wow you with them either. Was a solid movie overall but did anyone think Monkey's voice acting sounded a little... off?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Honest Trailers takes down Batman: The Killing Joke.

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Man, the new season of the Croods ends on an actual dramatic cliffhanger.
Why is DWA Netflix so dense with season ending cliffhangers, it's starting to stress me out, like I can't even look forward to an even numbered season of any of their shows now.
Like, Shiro is totally dying for the dramatic cliffhanger to Season 2 of Voltron.
Mister Twister
Rewatched Titan AE for ??th time. It still amazes me that, with its clusterfuck of a prolonged troubled production, Don and Gary and company still managed to cobble together a coherent working film that I personally consider great.
Holo Graphic shower curtains, who thought that was a good idea?
Mister Twister
They could be made of anything, nowhere are we told they are not solid.
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Grant Morrison has gone bleedin' mad!
Harambe revenge robots from space? Memes have gone too far.
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9 is almost perfect, which raises it about "great".

Just watch it.
Mister Twister
*above great
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y

It's got fantastic design work, but that's about it. The script is a complete shitshow.
Mister Twister
I disagree, but I know I cannot change your mind.
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Well, shit.

>I am stunned and saddened by the death of cartoonist C. Martin Croker, who's perhaps best known as the modern voice of Zorak and Moltar. RIP

Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

FUCK 2016.
jesus christ
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Bit too much oxygen in here now.
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Why do stream websites put porn ads next to cartoons?

Sure, I browse /aco/, /trash/ and /pco/, but still.
I decided to watch Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, and I think there have already been two Shakespeare jokes (unless I'm reading too much into the "ruthless, high-priced, prosecuting attorney" "rending human flesh" being Shylock).

I definitely wasn't expecting that.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

>Why do stream websites put porn ads next to cartoons?

Pretty sure it’s because those are the only ads they can get, given the whole “illegal streaming site” thing and all.
Star vs. has gotten pretty good:

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Does the show have more than 2 expressions now?
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Did they fix the lack of ambient sound?
Who was the one they switched to that didn't have as much background music.
Snes !v68zTeBMI.
New season of RWBY is coming later this month. Here's a pretty cool teaser:

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Animation looks pretty different from last season, and I think it's a good change.
>Season 3 of Dinotrux releases
>16 episodes instead of the usual 13
Oh gosh
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Well, /co/ done it once again. A thread about obscure british/australian cartoons yielded this weird catch:
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Imagine a short claymation children's show about aliens and space, WITH ACTUAL ALIEN-LOOKING ALIEN DESIGNS.
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So I decided to check out the Kulipari books.
It's fascinating how they tried to fit all the high points of the last book into only two episodes, losing a lot of context in the process.
To the point where the show doesn't even get around to bringing up the sequel hook.
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Which makes me wonder if he's going to do something different if he gets to do a second season since the comic is already covering the Poison Scrolls.
Mister Twister
If not for the show, lots of people would not know the books exist.
Always find that an interesting Catch 22 sometimes. Some productions you wouldn't know are based on books. Yet differ so much from the books as to be useless to draw people further into the property.

Box Trolls comes as a heavily abridged version of the book series and How to Train your Dragon has a much lighter tone than its source material and I really doubt they will end those movies like the books did.
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Makes me wonder if I should read Trollhunters or wait to see it first.
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The more you know.
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I fucking love Hillbilly.
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For those who cares.
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Well that all sounds like a bunch of horseshit.

Latest in the long line of reboot ideas being kicked around, with nothing to show of it in the end.
Spider-man has me interested.
>main characters are four teens
>not teenager programs, but actual users

Stopped reading right there. It's like whoever is writing that crap actually never watched the show, and instead just read a synopsis, thought "so, it's about people in your PC?" and went with it.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

And like the article said, even that’s not a unique idea—especially not in the planned execution.
Bob -a properly written Bob, that's it- meeting four user kids could be a potentially poignant and heartbreaking moment if handled well. Poor guy had so much faith in the ultimate benevolence of the otherwise incomprehensible User, alone among the Guardians in his belief that Viruses couldn't possible be designed on purpose to destroy systems (ha!), and even in the opening narration he makes clear that he doesn't buy that the games are just for the User's pleasure (HA!).
Whoever designed winning games to destroy parts of your computer was a hell of a sadist.
Poor user, so bad at video games they can't even win a children's carnival game.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Posted this over in /jam/, but it works here too, so I’mma put it here.

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This won Team Four Star’s TIBA abridging contest, and for good reason.

That's some classic adult swim style humor right there.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

The TIBA judges said much the same thing; they compared it to “good Williams Street” and SeaLab 2021.

Exactly that fantastic delivery and solid jokes.
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Finally received my complete Around the World with Willy Fog DVD box set from UK.

Despite my endless worries, this PAL collection is not hard interlaced to Hell, but instead features progressive footage being left alone, no deinterlacing required.
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One more screenshot and that's it.
>waiting for anon to deliver
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Not a rumor, not a troll, not bullshit in any way — Young Justice is officially returning for a third season.

Fuckin’ 2016, man.
This made my night. Pleased as punch by this.
I take it YJ is doing well on Netflix then.
rasputin_zero !!e9Z+3lbULwW
But 2016 is the year terrible things are supposed to happen, not AWESOME things like this.
It won't start airing until after 2016 is over.
Goddamit, maybe you guys can help. I saw a trailer for a pilot of a new animated series ages back, and now I can't find it. Unfortunately, I don't remember the title at all. It was set on a Trigun-esque desert planet, but with robots. The main characters included a cute little maintenance robot, a high-class servant droid looking for her employer, and an unkillable (and unkempt) outlaw. It had an anime-ish look but was also really clearly not Japanese. I think the pilot may have been funded on Kickstarter or Indiegogo.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Sounds like Cannon Busters, which got a new trailer a couple months ago for backers.

Mister Twister
Read the script treatment for Dragon's Lair movie (1st act). I'd say it's preddy gud.

Was explicitly asked not to share, so just take my word for it.
So I discovered Simpsums.
I guess I always heard zombie simpsons was a thing, but I didn't realize just how bad it was until I saw someone try to comically recap all the plots and realize that they aren't joking; most of that is actually what happened.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

You have my condolences on learning about how bad The Simpsons has become since Seasons 9–11.
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As someone who never really watched The Simpsons, that channel is hilarious.
The Sneaky Tiki
Adventure Time just had it's season finale with a cliffhanger and nothing, no one cared.
Oh? Well good that its finally over at least
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Season finale. Not series finale. If I recall correctly, Adventure Time is still scheduled for 2 more seasons and a movie.

I'm curious what is happening in the Adventure Time comics. I haven't bought an issue in a long time. And I wonder if the comics will live beyond the cartoon.
Could somebody explain to me the whole "Animaniacs sucks/is overrated/hasn't aged well" meme that has been going on for the past 5-6 years?

I finally rewatched a bunch of episodes of the show, and while my opinion that Pinky & The Brain was the top tier (with Freakazoid as the close second) of that wave of WB cartoons hasn't changed, I still found Animaniacs an enjoyable, funny, really well made cartoon. I simply don't understand all the hate.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I don’t get it, either. Someone wanna explain this shit?
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Why should people care when Cartoon Network doesn’t?
It's alright, but it's nowhere near the Messiah that the Internet used to think of it. A lot of the gags are dated pop culture references or repeat themselves over and over, the animation is bad as often as it's good, and only half the cast have gimmicks that can entertain even the first time. The Warner Bros and the Warner Sister themselves are only funny half the time, the rest just being absurdly annoying with no real direction.
Also John F. Kriflauski hated the show so people shitpost about it. So legit complaints, and trolling something beloved. Same as usual, just like when people tore down BTAS because it was held on such a high pedestal.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

John K is an asshole, though. I can’t think of a show he’s ever praised as much as the smell of his own farts.

And BTAS, like Animaniacs, is no perfect show, but it stands the test of time far better than most shows of its era (Animaniacs included). Ignore the existence of “I’ve Got Batman in My Basement” and the show’s overall quality shoots up even more.
Only thing I didn't like about Animaniacs was they went too hard on the musical Mickey Mousing to the point it was obnoxious, but every WB show from that era did that. Freakazoid had it and so did BTAS with a more serious version of it.
Mister Twister
My musical sensibilities (aka: opinions) make me despise Mickey Mousing and "every motion must be accompanied by a musical note", since I only want soundtracks to set the MOOD, not the ACTIONS. I simply hate "whimsical" music (along with puppies and sunshine).

That aside, I find nothing wrong with Animaniacs.
The Sneaky Tiki
A mini-series is coming again too.
That's ebcause I have poor time management and missed it. Would help if Cartoon Network didn't ace its schedule page, though I guess I ought to get back on /co/ and get remidned by the threads there.
So anyone check out Moana yet? Hearing good things about it though I don't know if it'll be as good as Zootopia.
Mister Twister
All I know is that they went again with the Disney sameface for the woman.
Why do we have two threads for the same thing?
>/co/ General: Legendary Defender Edition
Did you even pay attention to the first sentence of this thread's OP?
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So while the last season finale cliffhanger conditioned me to expect another one, I am left with a lot of questions.
Given that the finale already involved all of Julien's allies gathering together, fighting and losing, I have no idea where he plans to go to get help. It's a prequel so it's not like he can go get some familiar faces from the movies.
Also, still a bit annoyed at how often Dreamworks cartoons drop season finale cliffhangers, even if that means they have to completely shift gears from episodic comedy to do so.
That just makes me anxious for the kinds of cliffhangers the actual serialized shows will drop.
Guess its a habut they've gotten into being allowed to write whole serialized seasons.
Huh, it never occurred to me that Netflix themselves might have a say in things
But at around 1:40 here, the showrunner says Netflix has been explicitly pushing for them to do more serialized stuff to optimize for binge watching.
And then he goes and says that the season 4 cliffhanger resolution will in fact take up all of season 5 with a deep serialized story that rivals his past work on Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.
I don't even know how you would go about doing that for that setting.
Damn. Anticipating them getting that done. Would that put them at the episode cap? Hope they get to go into a continuation of Kung Fu Panda whenever they finish with this.
The order is for 78, so there would still be a 6th season to go after that.
He talks about that, too. Dreamworks wants lots of shows so he doesn't imagine it's going to be renewed and thus he's already written the series finale to be the finale.

Well 78 is a good number to go out on. Most animated shows are lucky to even get half that number of half hour shows.

As said I hope they let them move onto another project like Kung Fu Panda.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Disney shows that went into syndication (e.g., the Disney Afternoon shows) typically received a 65-episode order. This was done to ensure a show could be run year-round (5 episodes per week, 4 full runs per year). Kim Possible was originally 65 episodes long, too - until the show's fans put together a (successful) campaign to get the show one last season.
Either way, it seems like they are planning to go out with a bang, so I will be pretty interested to see that play out next year.
Weird to think that if 52/78 is the average order for all these shows, then most of the first wave is already half over.
Also the last thing from that interview, he mentions they are working on a Felix the Cat cartoon, continuing to put the Dreamworks Classics Library to work on Netflix.

Sonic Boom Season 2 Ep1 is out guys.
/co/ is raising a racket because Mark Waid wants to change Superman's origin off the Kent's farm... apparently because Kansas voted Trump? Is there any truth to that, or is just /co/ being /co/?
Mister Twister
Just stop reading Marvel (and DC).
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

I don’t often agree with Twister, but yeah, quit reading the Big Two and support indie companies (and non-superhero comics).
It came from his twitter. But its a stupid idea on the basis "Because he didn't interact with anyone other than white people" or Smiilar to those words. Which is a nonsense reason to do that.

Also people forget that he works well with Bruce because he's a counterpoint to his worldview. Making them both from the city alters that a bit too much.
Mark Waid isn't writing Superman so he can want whatever he pleases, it's not going to happen.
Uh minorities DO exist in the countryside even if there's not as many of them relative to the city. My aunt-in-law is from a small town in Nebraska and her family were not the only Asians there. Would be easy to buy that Clark's town just happened to be more multicultural than average without breaking suspension of disbelief.
Damn, why didn't any one tell me sooner that the Flintstones comic was SO damned good.
Probably because everyone just took it at face value and assumed it was 2edgey4me even though it was actually a parody.
Funny thing is, Wacky Raceland falls right up into 2edgey4me territory, and yet still manages to be pretty good.
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Weeeeeellllllp this happened.
...Sonic's arms aren't blue? Is this what I think it is?
Yep its supposed to be exactly who you think it is.
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The episode is actually great. It's somewhat a parody of the film Misery
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well shit, already deleted. I think it was called "The Biggest Fan".
Mister Twister
Watched 3 10 minute Mighty Magiswords... s, in a row.

Finally, the big TV has more usage for me other than being a monitor for the PS2.
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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DuckTales is coming back, so what better way is there to celebrate than by having the show’s new cast sing the original show’s theme song? (Answer: THERE IS NO BETTER WAY.)
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Also: Holy shit David Tennant as Scrooge.
Alpharius on the move
Wow, I couldn't have identified Tennat unless you pointed him out.
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People saying they only got Tennant for the Dr.Who crowd are nuts. Popular or not its been nearly a decade since he was The Doctor.

Also, gotta love Don Rosa. He made those pieces last year.

Maybe they can get Craig Ferguson to play Flintheart Glomgold Both can just let loose with their natural method of speech.


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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Hotdiggedydemon takes a Brain Dump all over the PPG reboot — and nails the reason why that reboot sucks.

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>"Talking about a children's cartoons on the internet isn't exactly where I saw my life going."
>"How does a grown man go on the internet and talk about Powerpuff Girls? [...]"
Good job insulting your audience.
But yeah, I have never watched the original series (or most other pre-2010 cartoons, my youth was a shit) but the guy seems spot on. That's a well done review/analysis.

My name is Max G too. Huh.
I appreciate that the Puss in Boots season finale has a full resolution, and just leaves plot threads for the next season instead of doing a huge cliffhanger like usual.
It's funny how the way the spinoff shows are going, the events of the movies are going the be the least exciting things that ever happened to those characters.
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So how many at that table will end up gay with another GF by the end. Pearl already taken, maybe.
Knives did drunkenly lez out that one time with Scott Pilgrim's other ex-girlfriend I guess, but nothing came of it (apart from in the beat-em-up videogame adaptation where it becomes a special healing move for Kim and in Kim's ending)
I know some like to speculate that Lin pairs off with Kya though as far as Star is concerned I think Marco is still her end game given that one future scene.
Is Hooked on Monkey Phonics a great South Park episode, or is it just that I can relate to it? (the one about the two awkward homeschooled children)

(it's number S3E12)
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26 episodes of Trollhunters will be out later today.
I ended up not reading the book, so I won't know how faithful an adaptation it is until later.
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Update from the Dragon's Lair Movie campaign.

They are completely done with animation, and are now colouring. The final pitch video ended up being over 6 minutes, instead of the promised 5.

I was not allowed to share production art or the rough draft of act 1, so I won't be sharing any of that.
Been watching the First episode of Trollhunters. So far the animation looks real soild. Some design shifts from Dragon Riders stuff and looks more Megamind.
That's the show that's actually by GDT and not Voltron right.
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Yes, based on the book he co-wrote.
Mister Twister
Epic Rap Battles of.... Something: Don Bluth vs Ralph Bakshi
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Sometimes it is hard not to share.

Sometimes some things just have to be seen.
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>This is a copy of the speech that Bill Watterson gave at the Festival of Cartoon Art at Ohio State University,October 27, 1989.
Yes, 1989, but I still believe this is interesting and relevant despite the advent of webcomics.

It also sheds a bit of light on his own comic's inspirations and values.
As someone who grew up after the 90's and had very little access to cartoons in the 00's, I'm starting to become interested in the history of cartoons, at least around the 90's. I've noticed lots of differences in their format, most noticeably a shift in pace. Older cartoons seem slower and more drawn out, especially with character reactions and plotline.

What are some historically significant cartoons made from 80s onwards? (and why do you consider them such?)

On a side note, I've started watching the first two seasons of Ren and Stimpy (no spoilers at all, pls). How can someone with an ounce of sanity pretend half of those episodes are for a kids show? I don't dislike the show (I love it), but the way they whole-heartedly advertise it as a kids show seems... morbid.
Mister Twister
A lot of interesting things happened in 1989.
Real Ghostbusters is a good study as you've got a good split between Syndicated batch of episodes they made before a network picked them up. The Early Era of the Network which increased the quality of the episodes while keeping a lot of the darker story tones intact, and then the Network dominated "Slimer Era" Which is just bad.

I'd say overall a good amount of the original nicktoons are great standouts that mixed adult humor into a kids show. Mainly Rockos Modern Life and Angry Beavers come to mind along with the aforementioned Ren n Stimpy
Walt vs Disney: The Artist vs The Machine
A 15 minute video essay talking about Disney after Walt.
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He makes some interesting and correct points.
>early Disney movies synced animation to music, instead of using music to establish mood
That they did.
>one is better than the other
Not a fact, just his opinion.
>early Disney movies were more subtle and allowed the audience to reach a conclusion without spelling it out verbally
True that!
>modern Disney movies rely on story too much
That's the modern standard. Audiences are way more sophisticated now, and expect more from movies.
>Zootopia is not a good buddy cop movie
................................. say that to me irl, not online, and see what happens................ m8.
when cartoon characters hold their breath, do you ever do it too to see if their breath-holding duration is feasible?

The ones I've seen tend to be about 40 seconds.
Mister Twister
When I was younger and much dumber.
40 seconds isn't exactly a crazy amount of time.
rasputin_zero !!e9Z+3lbULwW
Holy crap, I thought I was the only kid who did that. I remember trying that for a scene in Alien Resurrection that went on a crazy amount of time.
IIRC the scene goes on for like 3 minutes , which is not impossible to achieve by any means but does need a moderate amount of training.
I agree, it isn't.

Say that to my face.

>3 minutes
I certainly couldn't do that right now, but as you said it could be done with practice. Apparently you can hold your breath about twice as long underwater.
From https://www.aidainternational.org (who only accept non-oxygen aided records [ie. no hyperventilating with oxygen before diving) the records are:
>11 minutes, 35 seconds for men (Stéphane Mifsud, 2009)
>9 minutes, 2 seconds for women (Natalia Molchanova, 2013)
Therefore it's safe to assume, with practice, both genders can get to 3 minutes on land or submerged.
Hitting the 3 minute mark while underwater is actually relatively easy, I did manage to do it in like a month or so back in college (geez, sounding like my dad already!), and the instructor could hold for 4 minutes and a half.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Always have, still usually do.

Though really, just sitting in place and holding your breath for the same amount of time isn't nearly as difficult because characters are often doing physically rigorous activities.
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You know when you watch one of those cartoons and you think "Yep, I'm having nightmares tonight".

That guy is me tonight. Fun times ahead.
Bravest Warriors Season 3, episode 1
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How long until the next renaissance of televised western animation?
Mister Twister
It's all indie and web-based from thins point. All televisions are going to x-plode in 2018.
Well TVs for traditional broadcast/cable media. But we'll have the new Wall Screens for global media consumption.
>looking to buy a new house
>the walls aren't even 16:9
Mister Twister
>global media
You wicked globalist!
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM

Pretty much never. Cordcutting will see to that.
Was Evil Con Carne good?
The character or the show?
I meant the show. With a name like that, I just assumed the character was evil.
It was OK I guess.
"It's Such a Beautiful Day" is a truly amazing movie. This is the first time I have cried in a long time.
Weird I think the board just ate a post I was trying to make
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Regular Show is over, and I think it ended pretty well. See ya, Pops.
Who would of thought Mordecai would just grow out of the love triangle and find love with some new person he meets during his adult life.
>Regular Show is over, and I think it ended pretty well.
Time to watch Season 4 onward then.

I watched the movie. It was alright, just an extended episode (for better or worse).
Is it morally wrong to show children selected Happy Tree Friends episodes to teach them important lessons of everyday safety?
Is it possible to find "Mother To Be-Sa"?

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SQL statistics:

time taken: 0.00059605 SELECT *, ( SELECT GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT `kobaboardban`.`boardid` ORDER BY `kobaboardban`.`boardid` SEPARATOR ',') FROM `kobaboardban` WHERE `banid` = `id` GROUP BY `banid` ) AS `active_boards` FROM `kobaban` WHERE ( (`iplong1` = '03eeca4c') OR (`iplong1` <= '03eeca4c' AND '03eeca4c' <= `iplong2`) ) AND `type` IN(-1,0,1,2,3) AND (`id` IN ( SELECT `banid` FROM `kobaboardban` WHERE `boardid` IN(2) ) OR `global` = 1) ORDER BY `type`,`expiration` DESC no rows found or affected (prepared query)
time taken: 0.00660610 SELECT p.*, r.time r_time, r.reason r_reason, r.ipmd5 r_ipmd5, r.ipcrypt r_ipcrypt, r.password r_password, r.userid r_userid, s.total_posts, s.total_files, s.total_image, s.total_audio, s.total_video, s.total_swf, s.unique_ip, s.unique_user FROM `kobapost` p LEFT JOIN `kobareport` r on p.boardid = r.boardid and p.postid = r.postid LEFT JOIN `kobapoststats` s on p.boardid = s.boardid and p.postid = s.threadid WHERE p.`boardid` = '2' AND p.`postid` = '243042' AND `parentid` = '0' AND `deleted` = '0' UNION ALL SELECT p.*, r.time r_time, r.reason r_reason, r.ipmd5 r_ipmd5, r.ipcrypt r_ipcrypt, r.password r_password, r.userid r_userid, null as total_posts, null as total_files, null as total_image, null as total_audio, null as total_video, null as total_swf, null as unique_ip, null as unique_user FROM `kobapost` p LEFT JOIN `kobareport` r on p.boardid = r.boardid and p.postid = r.postid WHERE p.`boardid` = '2' AND `parentid` = '243042' AND `deleted` = '0' ORDER BY `parentid`,`postid` no error (prepared query)
time taken: 0.00099206 SELECT `boardid`, `parentid`, `postid` FROM `kobapost` WHERE (`boardid` = 2 AND `postid` IN(119360,243165,243489)) OR (`boardid` = 1 AND `postid` IN(409817)) AND `deleted` = 0 no error


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footer_meta actions: 8 start: 1679302199.82215800 end: 1679302199.82221500 took (total): 0.000057
header_meta actions: 4 start: 1679302199.80721000 end: 1679302199.80726600 took (total): 0.000056
setup_html actions: 4 start: 1679302199.80697700 end: 1679302199.80706400 took (total): 0.000087
validation actions: 1 start: 1679302199.79179300 end: 1679302199.80687600 took (total): 0.015083

Rewrite/redirect rules:

Redirect /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/0.html(?:\?.*)?$/ $matches[1]\/ 302
Redirect /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/1.html(?:\?.*)?$/ $matches[1]\/ 302
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/(\d\w*)s.png$/ /$matches[1]/thumbs/$matches[2]s.png
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/?(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=index&board=$matches[1]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/([0-9]*)\.html(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=index&board=$matches[1]&pagenumber=$matches[2]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/catalog\.html(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=catalog&board=$matches[1]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/t([0-9]*)\.(html|json|rss)(?:\?.*)?$/ index.php?section=thread&board=$matches[1]&thread=$matches[2]&ext=$matches[3]
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/posts_feed\.rss$/ index.php?section=posts_feed&board=$matches[1]&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^([a-z_\-0-9]*)\/threads_feed\.rss$/ index.php?section=threads_feed&board=$matches[1]&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_posts\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_posts&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_threads\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_threads&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_nsfw_posts\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_nsfw_posts&ext=rss
Rewrite: /^latest_nsfw_threads\.rss$/ index.php?section=latest_nsfw_threads&ext=rss

rules in htaccess format:

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2023-03-20 01:49:59