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No.421721
General Computers/Technology ThreadAnonymous
Replies:>>421722
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Starting one because I have a question but let's have it be general purpose for anyone that comes along.

I was messing around and broke one of the fans on the laptop cooling pad/stand I have it sitting on.
Need to replace it, does anyone have advice on what model I should buy this time?

The old one just had two fans, one of my friends sent me it.
Can I truly call myself part of the Master Race if the new one doesn't have 18 revolving blades and cause me to die of hypothermia when activated?
No.421722
Anonymous
Replies:>>421723
>>421721
Nearly any of those will do the job since they can't really do too much to begin with, unless the laptop specifically has venting holes at the bottom, or you use them with those aluminum unibody laptops where the frame can actually conduct the heat somewhat.
No.421723
Anonymous
Replies:>>421724
>>421722
There are laptops that DON'T come with vents on the bottom?
No.421724
Anonymous
Replies:>>421725
>>421723
I wouldn't know, laptops suck. Use a desktop. Even a mini pc will do better than a laptop, unless you absolutely need portability.
No.421725
Anonymous
Replies:>>421726
>>421724
There's nothing wrong with laptops, you don't always need the biggest e-dick to satisfy your needs.
No.421726
Anonymous
Replies:>>421732
>>421725
Laptops are more expensive and have less performance, less connectivity, and less expandability than desktops, for the same price. It's not about having a bigger e-dick, it's about getting more for your money.
No.421731
Anonymous
>Can I truly call myself part of the Master Race if the new one doesn't have 18 revolving blades and cause me to die of hypothermia when activated?
Misconception: a true PC should invoke hyperthermia from the GPU, not hypothermia from air displacement.
No.421732
Anonymous
Replies:>>421733
>>421726
It depends on the use case, of course.
Gamer? Renderer? Datahoarder? PC.
Browser only? Programmer? Laptop is a legitimate consideration.
If you need performance, connectivity, and expandability then absolutely. Most people don't.

We've hit the point in technology where most people have more than they will ever need. I think that's a good thing.
No.421733
Anonymous
>>421732
>browser only
this depends entirely on what browsing experience you like. A laptop wouldn't give you decent screen size and a good keyboard/mouse, unless you hook it up to external screen/keyboard/mouse in which case you may as well get a PC. If you are fine with small screens and hooking up external keys/mouse (or use the built-in shitty keys+touchpad), then I guess laptops are fine.
But keep in mind, most people just use their phones to browse nowadays, so if you just want to browse, you don't even need a laptop.

>Programmer
Again this depends on what you are programming. If you run android studio plus photoshop plus virtual machines (that's what I did when developing mobile apps), then you'll need actual performance and a laptop will be significantly more expensive.

If you go around from client to client making presentations or showing the designs you made in Photoshop/Sketch then sure, a laptop is what you need. But for serious work a PC is simply more efficient.
No.421738
Anonymous
State the best Operating System

-Go-
No.421744
Anonymous
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>>421738
The best?
Hannah Montana Linux
No.421748
Anonymous
Replies:>>421752
>>421738
They all suck.
No.421752
Anonymous
>>421748
The Critic - It stinksyoutube thumb
Why are you such a debbiedowner anon.
No.421839
Anonymous
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>>421738
Windows 7

Now THERE'S a good operating system
No.421846
Anonymous
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No.421847
Anonymous
Replies:>>421848
>>421846
Is it wrong that I want to eat those white pebbles? My mind instantly thought sweets when I looked at them
IMAGINE BEING AT COMPUTERS
No.421848
Anonymous
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>>421847
>Being memed on by the authorities for my love of mints
oh no :(
No.421877
Anonymous
Replies:>>421878
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Why don't they make decent PC cases anymore? Every company is just doing tempered glass RGB bullshit cases.

I wish there was a proper followup to the Antec P183.
No.421878
Anonymous
>>421877
That's a question of fashion, isn't it? The styles the companies put out change over time, "tempered glass RGB bullshit" is whats in with them at this moment.
No.421991
Anonymous
Replies:>>421993
Why is an SSD superior to a regular drive?
No.421993
Anonymous
Replies:>>421994
>>421991
No speed penalty on parallel transfers, significantly lower random access time. The higher sequential read/write is a bonus too, but not what makes a real difference (I had those old old Intel X25 SSDs, with 40mbyte/s writes, and even those made normal HDDs feel like a C64 tape drive).
No.421994
Anonymous
Replies:>>421996
>>421993
Are there any downsides for all this speed?
No.421996
Anonymous
>>421994
SSDs have finite write cycles. In reality, these are set so high in consumer devices that you'd likely buy an entirely new PC by the time they die. It's not a dumb idea to check the SMART data for total data written every once in a while, but usually this only allows you to extrapolate how long the device will last, or what kind of specs you should look for in your next upgrade.
For example, my current SSD has ~10000 hours uptime and ~25TB written, meaning that it writes an average 22TB per year, so a Samsung 980 256GBB with 150 TBW life expectancy would last me six-seven years of daily usage. And that's on the real low end of things, 500gb or 1tb drives have double and quadriple the lifetime due to having more NAND cells to use. So a 1tb drive would last me 24 years at this rate. In other words, the finite write cycles is not much of a big deal.

Also SSDs cost more.

That's about it.
No.421998
Anonymous
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Old politicians with no understanding of modern technology trying to get through heavyhanded bills passed. What a fucking joke.
No.422036
Anonymous
>>421998
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201210/09131845861/not-this-again-senator-tillis-tries-to-slide-dangerous-felony-streaming-bill-into-must-pass-government-funding-bill.shtml

He's literally being paid off to push this insane bill (which should be no surprise to anyone).
No.422087
Anonymous
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-covid-19-stimulus-bill-is-full-of-copyright-enforcement-laws/

It passed.
Americans your political system is total bullshit, where anyone can just slip a totally unrelated rider into any bill getting passed.
Its basically admittance that the entire thing is corrupt.
No.422089
Anonymous
Replies:>>422090
>>422087
Is that the one that makes streaming a felony, or the one that requires all pornography to have written consent from all participants?
No.422090
Anonymous
Replies:>>422093
>>422089
The streaming one.
No.422093
Anonymous
>>422087
>>422090
Pushing in something unrelated into a bill is a simple act of misdirection. And yeah, the entire American political system is corrupt. Bills are passed either based on how much "support" the senators get, or if there's a big enough crisis that they need to look like they are doing something.
No.422101
Mister Twister
Well, unless my sources are full of shit, the "Moar Online Censorship But You Get 600 Bucks" bill did not technically pass in the US of A.
No.422189
Anonymous
Something seems fishy in my server. On the two slots that use the Marvell controller, one of the drives has been reporting recurring errors. After switching the drive out, the new drive put in its place SOMETIMES reports errors. And also the other drive on the same controller started doing this too.

The drives don't have bad sectors - I've ran multiple full zero writes. However when I do this on the server side, it SOMETIMES returns errors. That is, I do a full zero run + verification and on one check I get a bunch of bad blocks, on the other one I don't. Sometimes it just hangs up.
On Windows, the drive has zero errors.

So now I either have to deal with bad SATA cables, a failure on the PSU (unlikely, 5 other drives have no problems), on the Molex to Sata power converters (possible but not likely), or FreeBSD having problems with the Marvell ATA controller. Or perhaps the PSU just not having enough amps on this specific rail to keep both drives running, as it is quite an old PSU.
No.422330
Anonymous
>>421998
Someone should hack Washington.
No.422339
Anonymous
Replies:>>422341
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No.422341
Anonymous
Replies:>>422343
>>422339
wat?
No.422343
Anonymous
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>>422341
The connector probably had faulty contacts.
No.422405
Anonymous
Replies:>>422406
I've been thinking of putting a full watercool loop in my PC. I have some experience with them, but I never built a full custom loop before.
No.422406
Anonymous
Replies:>>422407
>>422405
Just how much better is watercooling a machine justifying the extra work?
No.422407
Anonymous
Replies:>>422427
>>422406
Very. With air cooling, the hardware shoots up to maximum temperature in a few seconds. With water cooling, it takes a long time to heat up all the water in the tubes as they flow around, so it can take minutes for the hardware to get significantly higher temperatures or any higher at all. And depending on your setup you can get your hardware to below 50C on load and within a few degrees to room temperature in idle. Simply put, it is very hard to move back to air cooling after you have used decent water loops.
Not the AIO CPU coolers though, those are terrible.

Right now I have a semi-AIO on my gpu (it's an AIO but built out of shelf parts and quick release fittings so it is expandable), which is not the most efficient thing, and takes a lot of space, and I want to replace this with a single-slot proper GPU water block. However for that I need an external pump/reservoir, at which point I may as well get a CPU block too. The question is to whether to go for the semi-AIO for the CPU that has a pump/reservoir/CPU block combo, or go for the full custom set with the external pump/reservoir.
The latter would require me to cut my own tubes, the former means that I may not have enough space for the long tubes they include by default.

I oughta make some pictures of the current setup and case so I can measure and plan things better.
No.422427
Anonymous
>>422407
The kit I was about to buy ended up having its price raised literally the next day I was about to buy it. And now it's not that good priced anymore to be worth buying. fucking hell.

I might just blow the money on extra HDDs.
No.422459
Anonymous
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No.422511
Anonymous
What antivirus setups would anons suggest for a PC?
No.422533
Anonymous
Replies:>>422600
>>422511
Common Sense.
No.422576
Anonymous
>>422511
GNU/Linux or similar.
No.422600
Anonymous
>>422533
Part of common sense would be using protection even if you aren't sticking your dongle in the worst ports.
No.422655
Anonymous
Replies:>>422677
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No.422677
Anonymous
>>422655
There are some real cuties out there.
No.422697
Anonymous
Replies:>>422698
Could do with a new computer, can't be bothered with the setup and transferring all my games across though.
Last time my friend offered to do it and messed things up so bad had to take it to a shop.
No.422698
Anonymous
Replies:>>422701
>>422697
>Could do with a new computer, can't be bothered with the setup and transferring all my games across though.

Why not just put the old computers boot drive into the new computer? At worst you have to reactivate windows, but if you have a legit key then that takes like two clicks, if you don't then there are some tools on github to do it. And you have to install new drivers but that's not a big deal either. I've been using the same windows install since, I dunno, whenever win7 64bit came out (it has been upgraded to win10 since).
No.422699
Anonymous
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So fuckin sick of Nvidia, whenever I even touch the thing everything seems to break. Tried to uninstall it for a fresh install to get around problems with driver updates, it reinstalled itself on startup but did it wrong.
No.422701
Anonymous
Replies:>>422702
>>422698
Think I've still got the key lying around.
What though if my current computer is a laptop?
No.422702
Anonymous
>>422701
On a laptop it is possible that the key is tied to the hardware and you'll need to use one of the activators. I had a MSDNAA key, despite being 10+ years old it still worked - my old machine was active since its win7 days, my new computer defaulted to being inactive, but I could just tell Windows to check the activation status and it activated it by itself.

This is the activator I think I used the last time (MAS 1.4):
https://gitlab.com/massgrave/microsoft-activation-scripts
No.422719
User 9
I would just like to express annoyance at the fact that social media sites in particular make a point of overriding middle click's usual function of "open in a new tab" with "just a second left click", because it means "open this in another tab so I have that set aside to work on later while I read the rest of this page" becomes "open this in the current tab, possibly putting whatever I was reading behind several minutes of scrolling through a now-refreshed list of messages".
No.422720
Mister Twister
>>422719
I am a filthy trackpad user and have not pressed the scroll wheel for years.
No.422721
Anonymous
>>422719
Try using ctrl + left click instead. I found that as long as the link is an actual link (and not just a pure javascript trigger), it works more often than middle click.
No.422723
Anonymous
Printer ink cartridges are a fucking scam, like the way companies jack up the price of insulin despite it being far cheaper in cost to produce (the only upside is you don't need to inject printer ink to survive).
No.422724
Mister Twister
>>422723
True.
No.422725
Anonymous
>>422723
This is well known. I've heard some people being able to buy new printers cheaper than ink cartridges.
No.422856
Anonymous
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Fry's Electronics is closing down.
No.422857
Anonymous
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>>422856
It looked like it was a really fun place.
No.422858
Anonymous
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>>422857
No.422859
Mister Twister
Replies:>>422865
Thanks, big centralized government!
No.422865
Anonymous
>>422859
Uh... what for?
No.423103
Anonymous
Does anyone have problem with half the internet just not working today?
No.423175
Anonymous
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No.423176
Mister Twister
Replies:>>423177
>>423175
This is so sad.
No.423177
Anonymous
Replies:>>423181
>>423176
It's awesome. Cake for everyone.
No.423181
Mister Twister
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>>423177
>one day I will know what that means
No.423184
Anonymous
Replies:>>423186
My laptop made a weird noise that sounded like the dripping of rain, the fuck was up with that?
No.423185
Anonymous
>>423181
And that day could be today!
I recall the term 'delicious cake' becoming a euphemism for loli r34, hence 8chan's /delicious/ rivaling our /pco/ after /aco/ existed.
No.423186
Anonymous
Replies:>>423187
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>>423184
Honestly my notebook has started making so many funny noises now that I'm about having anxiety attacks with every new sound coming from it.
Will need to nut up and actually buy a new PC. Used for gaming but more prizing long-term use/stability than being super high graphics/framerate.

Would be ordering a custom build but its been so long not sure what the best website to go through is and what the expected costs are.
Would also be (finally) getting into a relevant edition of windows again, how is Windows 10 nowadays?
No.423187
Anonymous
>>423186
Windows 10 is an odd thing, with every update they fix half the bugs, add a bunch of new ones, and remove some already working functions either so they can move it under the new control panel or replacing it with something that looks new but does the same.

It's not any more terrible than Windows usually is but you can certainly feel that it's hacked together by low budget Indian subcontractors.
No.423188
Anonymous
Replies:>>423189
>>423187
You can FEEL when pajeets are involved. Circular logic, buckpassing and bug-hiding is how they roll.
No.423189
Anonymous
Replies:>>423190
>>423188
>>423187
Well whats the alternative in terms of the customer's choice? As time goes on you need to buy the latest system as vidya gaems eventually drop the oldest one in terms of running.
No.423190
Anonymous
Replies:>>423191
>>423189
If you want production, Mac, if you want games, the latest Nintendo or Playstation.

Or you can run Windows 10 which is mostly fine, once you configure windows update to not automatically fuck up your system (use gpedit.msc for this, and you need at least the Pro version for this).
No.423191
Anonymous
Replies:>>423192
>>423190
>Playstation
Are you retarded?
No.423192
Anonymous
>>423191
I'm not endorsing Sony's consumer-hating politics if that's what you mean, but if he wants a gaming platform then his only alternative to Windows 10 is getting a console.
No.423218
Anonymous
Why would a machine heat up more when left to idle than when you are actually doing stuff on it.
No.423219
Anonymous
>>423218
Because when left idle, it may turn down the fan speed which will raise temperatures. Of course when the temperatures rise up, the cooling fan should automatically kick in...
No.423227
Anonymous
>>423218
Fan speed etc. is SUPPOSED to relate to temperature.
No.423228
Mister Twister
>>423218
If your browser is open, a certain site might decide to hog more CPU.
No.423259
Anonymous
And don't forget that there are some things that can cause the system to use higher clocks even if you are idling. For example playing a video file could trigger higher clockspeeds in the GPU.
No.423279
Anonymous
How much would you generally spend on a custom ordered PC?
And any personal recommendations on websites that provide the service?
No.423281
Anonymous
>>423279
I order stuff from the local stores, they tend to give me better prices because I've been doing so for almost 20 years now.
As for how much to spend on it, that depends on what you want to use it for. Don't fall into the trap of getting stronger hardware than what you'd need, nowadays you can get crazy strong cpu/gpu but they also cost extreme amounts. A Ryzen 3600 is already overkill for nearly anything you'd do (including games), unless you are running lots of encoding or VMs. Low-range hardware is surprisingly powerful now, and that includes both CPUs and videocards.
No.423283
Anonymous
Replies:>>423284
>>423279
About $7k. I always get the latest pre-built. I make certain it's got Alienware logos on everything.
No.423284
Anonymous
>>423283
2/10
No.423333
Anonymous
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Rate my setup
No.423335
Anonymous
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>Is this machine worthwhile for the cost of £2176.80 (including VAT)?

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro (64-bit Edition) All the core features of Windows 10 plus added networking features, higher security, windows update for business and up to 2TB RAM support (No Recovery Media)
Case: 360mm liquid cooling support Cyberpower Onyxia II High Airflow Mid-Tower Black Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Front & Side Tempered Glass
CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - 8-Core 3.60GHz, 4.4GHz Turbo - 32MB L3 Cache Processor, Pro OC Compatible (No On-board Graphics)
CPU Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro XT RGB High Performance Liquid Cooling System w/ 360mm Radiator, Ultimate OC Compatible (Corsair Hydro CPU Water Cooling, Ultimate OC Compatible)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WIFI: ATX w/ RGB, PCIe 4.0, USB 3.2, SATA3, 2x M.2
Memory (RAM): 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4/3600mhz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance LPX w/Heat Spreader)
Graphics Card (GPU): GeForce® RTX 3060 12GB - Ray Tracing Technology, DX12®, VR Ready, HDMI, DP - 4 Monitor Support (Single Card)
PSU (Power Supply): Cooler Master MWE 750W 80+ Bronze Gaming Power Supply
Solid State Drive (SSD): 1TB WD Blue 2.5" SSD - 560MB/s Read (1 Drive)
M.2 SSD Drive: 1TB (1x1TB) Seagate BarraCuda Q5 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD - 2400MB/s Read & 1700MB/s Write (Single Drive)
Hard Drive (HDD & SSHD): 1TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive (1 Drive)
Internal USB Hub: Built-in USB Ports
Wireless Networking: N300 Wireless PCI Express Adapter
Wired Networking: ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT -- As standard on all PCs
Sound Cards: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD AUDIO
Monitor: 24" Viewsonic VX2458-P-MHD 1ms 144Hz Full HD 1080p, HDMI / DP, Flat FreeSync Premium Monitor (Single Monitor)
Speakers: None Selected
Keyboard: (Keyboard & Mouse Combo) Logitech Cordless MK270 Desktop Keyboard & Laser Mouse
USB Port and Hub: Built-in USB Ports
+work/transport
No.423336
Anonymous
Replies:>>423414
>>423335
It looks okay, given that the 3060 videocard alone is out of stock everywhere and can go for something like $800 when it *is* in stock. And it comes with a monitor and 3 drives.

I'd probably go for a less bullshit case (Be Quiet 500/601/802 depending on features/size and budget), an air cooler on the cpu (Noctua U12S with F12 fan is terrific), and a better power supply, with at least 80plus Gold rating (you don't want to cheap out on the power supply, and it's not the watts that matter).
Also the B550 motherboards are better than X570 since they have no fan and most of them come with 2.5G network; the X570 has PCIE 4.0 on all ports but that does not matter much (B550 has them on the main port and 1 nvme slot, the rest use PCIE 3.0 which is already very good).

But if you can't be arsed to build your own setup, it's a good buy. Especially since decent videocards are impossible to find new, and even used cards have astronomical prices.
No.423343
Anonymous
>>423333
Quads confirmed with motherboard spiders
No.423347
Anonymous
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>>423333
Clean your house every once in a while.
No.423357
Anonymous
Who here is posting on an absolute tired old chugger of a machine?
Video somewhat unrelated.

Beef PCyoutube thumb
No.423358
Anonymous
>>423357
I usually upgrade every 7-8 years on average, because CPU speeds have stalled so much that it takes this long for major changes in speed to happen. In the 90s you could've upgrade every year and get double performance. I only just updated last year, so my PC is fairly up to date until the middle of the decade.

However I do plan on restoring my old 1998 PC.
No.423362
Mister Twister
Replies:>>423364
>>423357
2012 MacBook """Pro""" here! Changing the hard drive soon, by miracle getting a PC laptop at the end of the year.
No.423364
Anonymous
>>423362
You're making me feel wasteful about buying a new computer despite only having my laptop for 6 years...
No.423414
Anonymous
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>>423336
>bullshit case
No.423415
Anonymous
>>423414
Yeah that goes well with your room if you also have a disco ball in it, but I prefer the kind of box that you don't even see or hear running, it just does its job silently.
No.423441
Anonymous
>>423335
should have went for the rtx 3060 ti...
No.423468
Anonymous
Replies:>>423470
I think my HDD is clicking.
No.423470
Anonymous
>>423468
HDD read heads make clicking noises, that's normal. Unless it's something like an extremely loud singular click that also happens to coincide with significant system hangs, then you have a problem.

Either way, check the SMART diagnostic data to know if you have issues, and make sure your backups are up to date.
No.423516
Anonymous
Replies:>>423517
Got my new computer.
Should I install my games to the HDD or the SSD?
No.423517
Anonymous
Replies:>>423518
>>423516
SSD, provided it is large enough.
HDD is only for cold storage or shit that requires minimal random reads (for ex. movies).
No.423518
Anonymous
Replies:>>423519
>>423517
1TB, and its separate from the main drive, so it should be fine.
No.423519
Anonymous
>>423518
Oh, sounds like my setup then (500gb nvme for OS, 1tb sata ssd for games).
No.423552
Anonymous
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It seems that after RGB lightning, the next fad in computer peripherals is going to be built-in fog machines.
No.423591
Anonymous
Replies:>>423592
It looks like Google plans on forcing everyone to use 2 factor authentication, and get rid of normal passwords.
Any other good email provider beside gmail, that doesn't deal with this bullshit?
No.423592
Mstr Twstr
>>423591
I can recomment Mailo for general use, though you can use it as a recovery email too I guess.
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Anonymous
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No.423758
Anonymous
>Technology
Fucking Goddamn Shitty Phones.

I only have a mobile phone because all sorts of online stuff now needs to use text message for verification.
Sim card has randomly decided to get fucked for seemingly no reason, me and my roommate spent hours narrowing this down.

Now am gonna have to venture out to an actual physical store for the company if there's any chance of getting it replaced.
Text message verification is bullshit and just a hassle.