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Board updated. Please use this thread to report bugs.

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Black HandDeveloper
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After half year, the board software has finally been updated.

Please use this thread for bug reports, questions, and suggestions.
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Black HandDeveloper
Why did it take so long?
The old board software was buggy and did not scale with a large database, nor was it easy to add new sections to it. Because of this, a significant portion of the rendering had to be rewritten from scratch, combined with a lot of database and query optimization. This took a lot of trial and error.
Once the new software was up and running, it replicated the boards near perfectly, but it did nothing else. So a little extra time was taken to add a few new features, and to fix some more old bugs.

There is still room for speed improvements (very little caching is done right now), but the new code was deemed good enough to go into production.
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Black HandDeveloper
New features:
- a frontpage. Also, lots of favicons.
- RSS feeds. There are 7 in total: 4 on the frontpage, 2 on the index, and 1 for a thread. You can use the feeds to see new posts minutes after they are made, on any board, without needing to load the site every time.
- catalog. The stylesheet for this is work in progress.

Feedback on the new features would be welcome.


bugs fixed:
- any bug related to thread rebuilding, such as:
- posts or threads remaining visible in the index after being deleted
- new threads not being created immediately
- old pages not updating
- phrase banning is now fixed
- ipv6 is handled now
- a bug that reduced the maximum allowed image size on uploads (almost twice as big images can be uploaded now)
- webm uploading is fixed
- mp3 bitrates should be displayed properly now
- youtube and vimeo embeds should be fixed (unfortunately this does not affect old posts, only new ones)
and possibly others I forgot. It has been a long time.
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Anonymous
I had an issue using spoilers and greentext. Testing.
spoiled
>did it work?
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Black HandDeveloper
That's odd because they are supposed to be turned on. The options were set in the SQL, at least... but did not appear in the admin panel. I don't know.

re-set them now, and they should be working:
spoiled
>did it work?
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Because I wanted a brown/“coffee”/“chocolate” color scheme, I went ahead and made a userstyle for plus4 so I could edit and test for a proper color scheme that doesn’t wreck my eyes. I used CSS variables to make switching colors out a far easier process.

The userstyle as it stands right now — https://pastebin.com/qR14R1Pn — only replaces the blue colors (which are commented out in the variable declarations), which leaves everything else untouched. If’n someone wants to use it for testing and creating a proper brown-hued color scheme for plus4, go nuts. (I prefer lighter text on darker backgrounds, but this was a spur-of-the-moment thing for me.)
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>417554
Aaaaaaaaaand there’s another issue for you dark wizard devs to fix: link parsing!
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Anonymous
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I'm having an issue with the https:// protocol. Works fine for demo site, not here.
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mooseAdmin
>417556
The cert fucked up due to nameserver change, I'll be re-enabling it tomorrow
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Black HandDeveloper
>417554
It is premature to write new styles; the index and thread templates will be rewritten (eventually). The catalog is a "sneak peak" of that, it runs on the new code (and uses practically no js).
Of course, you are free to write your own user codes, just keep this in mind.

>417555
That would need to be done with javascript and I'm concerned about speed, since we have 300+ post threads.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>417558
The userstyle is mainly just for testing/"what if" purposes, not for a replacement of the actual CSS. As for the parsing issue: Eh, I have a Linkify bookmarklet if need be.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Minor issue with parsed YouTube links: The YouTube favicon no longer shows up to the left of the link.
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Black HandDeveloper
>417560
Could you please point out an example, as it shows up fine for me.
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Black HandDeveloper
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There is an unrelated bug in that newly made posts won't have the javascript trigger on them, so if they have a youtube link in them, they won't expand until you reload the page. But that's pretty minor so I'll only fix it once I get to touch the ajax code in general.
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Anonymous
Can we finally get the rest of the banners added? I think all the ones before >396676 got added but none of the ones after. Pick the best, I guess.
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Black HandDeveloper
We updated to HTTPS.
You may need to flush your cache/cookies if you are experiencing errors, since I had to restructure a few things in the js code to make the switch simpler.

As usual, please report any bugs here.
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Anonymous
>417564
Most of those are awful.

Maybe make some more banners, and hope that people make better ones?
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Black HandDeveloper
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MP4 posting should be enabled on all boards now.

I removed a bunch of old stump code, it might make posting a bit faster.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
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>417568
>MP4 posting

Nice.
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Anonymous
Requesting a phrase filter on "South Korea", unless we can find some other characteristic phrase in that Korean political spam.
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Black HandDeveloper
>417578
Please make sure you put a ban on such posts, not just delete them, otherwise they don't get logged and I won't be able to figure out a common phrase.
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Anonymous
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>417579
I wasn't able to ban this one as it is outside my moderator boards.
Should we ban people trying to use <a href> links who aren't moderators? It's pretty common in spam, and apart from admin posts I don't think anyone legitimate has tried to use them.
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Anonymous
>417583
That's not a bad idea, I'll keep it in mind if we get hit harder.
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Black HandDeveloper
>417583
>417586
Implemented.
Here's hoping it doesn't accidentally block everyone from posting.
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Black HandDeveloper
Well in the end it did break posting temporarily. It should be fixed now.
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Anonymous
>417603
Fanks!
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Anonymous
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someone unironically posted on /draw/

what do
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Anonymous
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>417607
>someone unironically posted on /draw/
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Black HandDeveloper
I raised the file sizes a bit since it's not 2010 anymore.
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Black HandDeveloper
Made a big change with the file names which needs testing, I'm asking all the mods to check the beta board and test it out.
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Anonymous
>417611
I'm always getting 'flood response detected' on mod's /baw/ but not /co/.
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Anonymous
>417612
That's normal. Post speed is limited to 60 sec on /baw/ but 10 sec everywhere else.
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Anonymous
>417613
I haven't posted yet today and I received that error when trying to post.
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Anonymous
>417614
aaah, I see, I think I know the problem, I'll fix it tonight.
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Anonymous
okay, fixed that issue. Since I changed the precision of the time field, the flood counter was now 100 times larger.
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Black HandDeveloper
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Okay, here are two concepts for a new layout. Pic related is what I'm trying to cook up - a combination between the current design and the traditional imageboard layout. Note that this is an incomplete stylesheet, not a concept... it's missing a LOT of stuff (It's a rewrite from scratch), and I keep finding ways to improve it as I work on it.

And then there's this which I found in the board files:
https://boards.plus4chan.org/boardtop.png
This is an old design concept, that was being made by whoever was coding the site in the past (secret? anonex? I don't even know.). I think it has good ideas, but a lot of problems too.

This is what I'm working with right now. Thoughts?
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Anonymous
>417630
Give us the option to make thread subjects we have to use the name field to make thread subjects.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>417661
This this this.
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Black HandDeveloper
Adding thread subjects has been on my list since the beginning, but it is a surprisingly complex thing to add, and it involves digging into parts of the code that I intend to axe outright. Once a new skin is done, it will have subjects, but I haven't even began adding forms to it yet (the current post form is shit and needs to be rethought).
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Anonymous
>417630
I reckon it looks far better with rectangular post boxes than the complex shape in that image. Looks like something out of Halo.
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Black HandDeveloper
Yeah, that's about the conclusion I came to as well.
However the traditional imageboard design dictates that the image of the first post is floating, so that part has to stay a complex shape - or have no background at all. I'm torn between trying to make the first post a different design and keeping it the same.
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User 9
Could a rules page get put up somewhere?
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Black HandDeveloper
>417669
What rules?
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Anonymous
>417670
There used to be 'rule 1) Don't be a dick' and subrules but honestly I don't think they really need to be spelt out
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Great, looks like we need a stronger spamfilter.
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Anonymous
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>417689
I haven't seen any until just now so maybe it's just getting cleaned up before I see it.
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Black HandDeveloper
We do get more spam nowadays but I usually delete it very fast, since I use the RSS feed to get new posts. It is likely happening since we had to turn Cloudflare off due to a problem with the SSL, I don't know if Moose restored it since.
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WIP test. One step back, two steps forward... this will probably be the desktop version, while the mobile one has 100% wide blocks akin to the current design. I like the current fixed width design more, but I think people want the site looking like this instead, right?
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Anonymous
>417702
That's pretty nice. I like it. I think it could look a little better with a few pixels more padding around the posts, but I'm not even sure because it's nice, compact and simple.
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Black HandDeveloper
Do you mean the padding between two posts, or the padding inside a post (around the post text)? I'm still fiddling with details like that.
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Anonymous
>417709
I mean inside the post, between the text and the post border.
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Anonymous
Need to do something about the bizarre asian bot
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Anonymous
>417795
This. Luckily it's ineffective and predictable in delivery, but it's regular. Regex should hopefully stomp it, especially now that no-one uses the politics thread.
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Black HandDeveloper
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Latest WIP. The threads' layout will be pretty much this. The popup label for the post hider and the file save icon will have their labels appear on the right, so they don't obscure each other. The hashtag is for making permalinks (and the post number was changed so it allows both permalinking and replying). Yes, the text is larger.

I did toy with replacing the icon pile with a single question mark icon, that you could hover over, and have all the icons appear in a small box, with their labels already opened next to them. But then it wouldn't be immediately apparent how you reply to posts. And having a question icon on each post looks silly. Tried a gear icon but it didn't look right either.

I'm not yet satisfied with the header, but I want to keep the current layout instead of copying what every imageboard uses. I'll likely put an options icon on the top right, symmetrical to the current home page icon. Link colours still need to be optimized.

Next up will be the reply box. Then a lot of javascript.
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Anonymous
>417804
>The hashtag is for making permalinks
Doesn't the post number do that?

I personally think the boards button at the very top should have transparent background (or same colour as parent object). It's pretty nice though.
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Anonymous
>417805
>Doesn't the post number do that?

Right now the post number permalinks, and the reply button makes a quoted reply.
On other chans, the "No." part in the post number permalinks, and the numbers themselves make a quote reply.
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Anonymous
>417805
>I personally think the boards button at the very top should have transparent background

The style switcher in the footer also uses coloured buttons, the ideas is to make the links uniform.
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Anonymous
>417806
Good point.
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Anonymous
Status update: with the main post body being (mostly) done, I'm working on the post form. Right now the idea is to make one that looks like the current form but less buggy (for tablets and mobiles), and to have it pop up in a fixed position at the bottom so it is easier to multi quote (the post form persists in a fixed position so you can scroll the thread and click reply and type in).

I'll also do a more traditional imageboard style form. For the new traditional look, you'd want a traditional post box fixed in the right corner (by default), as that design isn't as wide.

One little detail is that you'll be able to control all of it from keyboard properly, including using the nsfw/spoiler buttons. And yes, post subjects will come back, or at least I want them to. I'll also drop that "toggle poster info" bullshit, all fields will be visible by default.
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Anonymous
Happy birthday, 4chan.org
You suck now, but you will always hold a place in my heart.
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Anonymous
>417844
Thanks for reminding me why I don't go to 4chan anymore.

I swear, having fun is actually against the rules there.
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Mister Twister
>417846
But what if....... complaining about 4chan makes you a hypocrite?
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Anonymous
>417846
They just call it "Reddit humor" now.
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>417850
This list was compiled years ago. They are self aware.
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Anonymous
>417851
Is there anything that /co/ still likes?
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Mister Twister
>417854
Lots of things. But complaining and b8ing is a part of imageboard culture.
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Anonymous
>417855
Not on 4chan, they have rules against it.
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Mister Twister
>417857
Do you actually believe in those words? An unwritten rule is still a rule. Half the time people come to imageboards to complain about made-up non-issues and share porn.
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>417859
I think I misquoted you. I meant that "imageboard culture", as it was in the 00s when imageboards rose in popularity and allowed for discussions without bounds, is something that 4chan has rules against now. Which changed its culture completely, to that being of long-ass baiting posts, and bitching thread generals.
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Mister Twister
>417860
Amazing screencap.
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Seviper
Holy shit, this place is alive again.
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Anonymous
>417863
we are officially undead at this point

>417864
I'd seen the bottom image before, but it's even better that way. For some reason I am always impressed by inter-thread jokes. It's the perfect amount of meta.
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Anonymous
>417867
It comes and go as 4chan mods decide to ban half threads full of people having fun to assess their authority for a week.
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Anonymous
testing
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Anonymous
fucking ipv6 piece of shit
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Anonymous
last test
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Black HandDeveloper
Okay, IPV6 detection should be fixed now for good.
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Black HandDeveloper
I've added another filter to reduce spam, if you have problems posting, report it on IRC please.
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Anonymous
test
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Anonymous
Posting this image seems to give me a 500 error:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoNhE8rWsAA9tPO.jpg
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Black HandDeveloper
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Can't reproduce the error :(
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Anonymous
>417894
Looks like they got the date of expiry wrong
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Black HandDeveloper
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slowly coming along.
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Mister Twister
>417934
>Spiderman engages in bondage
Sounds like an episode from the 90s cartoon, with how whey weren't allowed to do much violence, save for an occasional tackle and getting tired up.
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Anonymous
>417935
Pete and MJ used to get up to web-play in the comics, or having sex on the walls and ceiling.
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Anonymous
I'm not sure about the details, but since the site came back, I've had issues with downloading images on my mobile device.
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Anonymous
>417985
Can you describe this in more detail? What exactly are you doing that doesn't work the same? Do you mean the little download icon, or just images not loading?
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Anonymous
>417986
If I attempt to save the images to my device, it just gets stuck in a perpetual loop trying too connect to the site and never begins to save.
This isn't the only site I've encountered the glitch on, but it isn't universal either.
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Anonymous
again, what exactly are you doing? Which part of the site are you trying to click/tap? The little floppy icon? Or you expand the image and then try the right-click-save-image mobile equivalent?
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Anonymous
Expand the image and attempt the right click equivalent.
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Anonymous
>417989
My only guess is that it either conflicts with the image expander, or with cloudflare on the server.

The redesign will use a slightly different expander code so it might fix it. Then again, it will still use the click event, so it might not. Unfortunately I can't reproduce your bug, so there's not much I can do.
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Anonymous
4chan just became 4channel?
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Anonymous
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fucking why?
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Anonymous
>417997
Advertising.
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Anonymous
anyone has the link to the discord chat?
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Anonymous
>418001
No. Discord is killing imageboards.
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Anonymous
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>418001
Ask for it on IRC.
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