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Politics Thread #17: “We’re All Going to Fucking Die” Edition
Previous Thread: >>413917

Between Ol’ 45’s desire to use nukes, North Korea’s launching of missiles, and the rolling back of environmental regulations, we are basically one disaster away from living in a goddamned wasteland. So…yeah.
No.414459
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
Nuclear showdown tomorrow, can Mad Mitch rally his warboys again?
No.414460
Anonymous
Replies:>>414463
Remember, good things are a meme. Everything is bad.

Every single poster here.
No.414463
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414466
The filibuster is now dead in the Senate. Gorsuch will likely be confirmed as the next Supreme Court Justice tomorrow.

>>414460

wut
No.414466
Anonymous
Replies:>>414467
>>414463
That was just me, distilling your attitude to its essence.
No.414467
Anonymous
Replies:>>414468
>>414466
It was you allowing your brain to dribble out of your ears and land on the keyboard keys at random, is what it was.
No.414468
Anonymous
>>414467
Wow, that was a great insult. Keep it up, bro!
No.414470
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414471
Welp, looks like the US is going to war with Syria.
No.414471
Anonymous
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>>414470
45 needed SOME way to boost his shitty poll numbers
No.414476
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Shit, I forgot threads on /baw/ hit the bump limit at 400, not 300. PLEASE IGNORE THIS THREAD UNTIL THE OLD ONE HITS THE BUMP LIMIT.
No.414490
Anonymous
>>414471
Okay, now THAT is funny.

He will have to deal with this blunder 4ever.

(not bumping)
No.414745
Anonymous
Replies:>>414746
If Hillary had had a foreign policy person on the payroll after being cautioned that they were at risk of compromise by a foreign national, every single pundit on MSNBC, CNN and Fox would be screaming for her to get the lethal injection. Not exaggerating.
No.414746
Anonymous
Replies:>>414752
>>414745
Well I mean yeah, if it were a democratic president right now, the GOP congresscritters would be pushing for high treason charges, which is one of the few capitol offenses. So no, it's not exaggerating in the slightest.

Meanwhile, with a republican in the white house, the same crooks ask irrelevant questions in an important deposition about the crime to try and distract from someone literally betraying the sovereignity of the United States to a foreign power for personal gain, or to impugn the character of the person who is testifying.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire party should be charged with conspiracy to commit treason for trying to obstruct the prosecution of these bad actors.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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What is even going on anymore.
No.414749
Anonymous
Replies:>>414750
>>414748
Checked just now, fake.
No.414750
Anonymous
>>414749
It was real. I assume someone on his staff realized how retarded it was.
No.414751
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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President @dril, courtesy of @ParkerMolloy.
No.414752
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414746

Remember: It is never about How The Scandal Happened, but How The Scandal Got Leaked.
No.414762
Anonymous
The liberals appear to have won in SK

Which was kinda inevitable
No.414763
Anonymous
Replies:>>414765
He's fired Comey.
No.414764
Anonymous
>414763

But Crooked Hillary tho. Drain the swamp tho.
No.414765
Anonymous
Replies:>>414766
>>414763
Motherfucker either has no idea how optics work or is so fucked, and knows it, that this is some sort of desperate Hail Mary on his part.
No.414766
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414767
>>414765

Nixon did the same damn thing, and we all know what happened to him.
No.414767
Anonymous
>>414766
He got pardoned and got away with all his crimes, and is vocally defended by the right to this day as a model president who was unfairly victimized by the left for something as minor as committing a little light treason?
No.414768
Anonymous
Replies:>>414769
>>414767
Forgot to add: AND got to choose who the next president would be.
No.414769
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414767
>>414768

He did still resign in disgrace, though. And even though it would mean President Mike Pence, I would still prefer to see Ol’ 45 say “I hate this fucking job” and step down.
No.414770
Anonymous
Purging everybody who helped your coup is Banana Republic Dictator SOP

So yeah, that fits
No.414771
Anonymous
Democrats need to make clear that if there is no special prosecutor at this point, the country is over.

If Clinton had fired anyone remotely involved in investigating her, the entire media and every congressional Republican would be on the White House lawn demanding she be shaved bald and stoned.
No.414772
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
On the bright side, even some Republicans think the Comey firing is fucked up. Maybe they do have the balls to protect this country.
No.414773
Anonymous
>>414772
NO

NO THEY FUCKING DON'T

DO NOT LET TRUMP REDEEM THE ESTABLISHMENT AND TEA PARTY YOU FUCK
No.414774
Anonymous
Replies:>>414775
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>>414772
Let's review GOP reactions so far:

McCain: "disappointed" and calls again for an independent probe but will undoubtedly fall in line and confirm Giuliani/Christie/Gowdy/Flynn wearing a beaglepuss/whoever Agent Orange picks as the new director; hope his wife likes her new State Department job
Lankford: "the American people need clarity and deserve an explanation for his immediate firing"
Burr: "I am troubled by the timing and reasoning"
Corker: this "will raise questions"
Cornyn: "Oh so NOW Democrats love Comey!!!!!!!!!"
Collins: lmao look at this
Graham: "Given the recent controversies surrounding the Director, I believe a fresh start will serve the FBI and the nation well."

They're not doing shit.
No.414775
Anonymous
>>414774
Oh yeah, and Little Marco: surprised but "it's a decision the president's made and we'll go from here"
No.414776
Anonymous
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Enjoy the typo while it's there:
http://www.euronews.com/2017/05/10/party-divisions-as-far-right-marechal-le-pen-says-she-s-quiting-politics
No.414779
Anonymous
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I get the feeling Spicer himself rang up the Post and demanded they make this correction
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>>414779
No.414781
Anonymous
Replies:>>414782
>FBI confirms agents are executing a search warrant at the office of GOP Fundraiser/Consulting firm in Annapolis

Could be nothing, but if we ever get all the way down to President Orrin Hatch, this is where it starts.
No.414782
Anonymous
>>414781
I wonder if this is meant to scare some people. The director of the firm used to work for a lobbying group owned by Paul Manafort and super crazy dude Roger Stone, but it could be about an old fraud lawsuit. It's just the timing makes you wonder.
No.414788
Anonymous
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/borrowing/creditcards/10231556/Man-who-created-own-credit-card-sues-bank-for-not-sticking-to-terms.html
https://qz.com/981029/a-federal-court-has-ruled-that-an-open-source-license-is-an-enforceable-contract/
Two recent examples of businesses running afoul of contract law and basically arguing that it should only apply when it benefits them.
No.414791
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>[C]onservative politics is now less about ideas or accomplishments than it is about making the right enemies cry out in anguish.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/opinion/sunday/if-liberals-hate-him-then-trump-must-be-doing-something-right.html
No.414807
Anonymous
Replies:>>414812
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More like LOLitics.
No.414809
Anonymous
Replies:>>414848
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

Another reason why "Dems are focusing too much on the Russia thing which isn't even a thing" takes are bad
No.414810
Anonymous
Replies:>>414812
Treason.
No.414812
Anonymous
Replies:>>414813
>>414807
>left handed saluter
Alright, get in the shower.

>>414810
Context pls m8
>>414812
Donald Trump is treasonous because he revealed vital info to Russia.
No.414814
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Three separate Trump associates told the press last night that Trump did not leak any information to the Russians (and how dare they say he did).

Trump, on Twitter, this morning: “As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism."

Is there anyone at all within this administration who has not had their credibility destroyed by Ol’ 45?
No.414815
Anonymous
Reminder that he's been in violation of the Emoluments Clause since day one and that if both parties were patriots he'd be gone already.
No.414816
Anonymous
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I hope Putin's enjoying all his winning
No.414817
Anonymous
Replies:>>414819
>>414816
A win for Putin requires the Eastern border to weaken. It hasn't, despite Agent Orange's best efforts. If anything, the Dutch and French are the start of the rebound where it comes back stronger than ever.
No.414818
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414821
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html

Pretty sure this would be obstruction if the Republicans cared more about governing the country than they do about the power they have over the federal government.
No.414819
Anonymous
>>414816
That would be interesting. US being removed from that massive intel alliance. It will go back to plain old five eyes. Will all the Commonwealth countries have to ally with Russia too because US is big bully?

>>414817
It took me a solid ten seconds to figure out what you meant by Agent Orange, but that is a beautiful nickname.
No.414821
Anonymous
>>414818
I feel like I would be bowled over had Trump not already admitted to obstructing justice on network TV last week. Must be getting desensitized. Jesus Christ it's only been a week since Comey was fired.
No.414822
Anonymous
Replies:>>414824
Meanwhile, lethal weapon 2 happened on the streets of the capital
No.414823
Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-controversies-rattle-stock-markets-worldwide/2017/05/17/3e564680-3b0d-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.17e62b9006b3


Fat fuck's fat mouth tanking global markets, but remember, the Republicans are the economy party!!!!!!
No.414824
Anonymous
Replies:>>414825
>>414822
On any other day (and under any other administration) it'd be a diplomatic incident but it got overlooked. Kinda like how a tunnel full of nuclear waste collapsed at the Hanford Site the day Comey got sacked, but you didn't really hear about that.
No.414825
Anonymous
>>414824
It wouldn't be an incident because he'd never be allowed to come in the first place most of the time.
No.414826
Anonymous
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump/
This is a gold mine.
No.414827
Anonymous
SPECIAL COUNSEL APPOINTED​ HOLY SHIT
No.414828
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414827

And on the forty-fourth anniversary of the beginning of the televised Watergate hearings.

The universe has one hell of a sense of humor.
No.414829
Anonymous
>>414827
Strange to leave for a few hours and come back to good news instead of "oh god what now"
No.414830
Anonymous
Former FBI director, has special protection from termination by Trump. Congress is apparently going to continue with whatever their investigation is.
No.414831
Anonymous
Hey you know who the IC isn't going to hesitate to tell every scrap of information under the sun?

Fucking Mueller with a SP badge.
No.414832
Anonymous
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/333991-report-trump-knew-flynn-was-under-investigation-weeks-before

Keep in mind, Pence was the chairman of the transition team. They knew he was under investigation (no fucking way Pence didn't know, but I assume they'll go with the "he was misled" defense again) and Obama warned 45 not to hire him, and he made Flynn the NSA anyway. Sally Yates warned that Flynn was compromised and he fired HER. And he asked Comey to lay off Flynn. (Also, was originally considering him for VP; remember that?)

Seriously what is even going on there.

Also, since there's apparently not enough crazy Flynn shit today: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article151149647.html
No.414833
Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2209/

Ryan hushing up the "joke" about Trump being paid by Putin got more attention, but I think their knowledge of Russia's active measures in Ukraine while pretending that didn't happen here is more disturbing.
No.414842
Anonymous
I guess pk got tired of winning after all.
No.414843
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Lots of shit happened today. White House lawyers are researching impeachment, a top White House associate has become now a “person of interest” in all the various investigations (rumor mill says Kushner is the likely POI), and Comey agreed to testify in an open hearing after Memorial Day.

And Trump has begun his first international trip as president, which will presumably go about as well for him as the other hundred-plus days of his presidency.
No.414844
Anonymous
Also the AP got ahold of letters that show Trump's attorneys opposed his signing of financial disclosure, implying that he perjured himself by doing so.
No.414848
Anonymous
>>414809
Jesus Christ, I can't believe this was just Monday.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
Replies:>>414853
>>414851
Yet, your cronies and evidence have to be rounded up first.
No.414853
Anonymous
>>414852
Is it really "rounding up" when they just kinda flop up on the deck by themselves?

He's ignored the court ordered deadline to turn over Rudy's Muslim ban memo, by the way.
No.414854
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414856
>>414851

Lots of people were certain that Hillary Clinton was going to win the 2016 election, and look what happened there. I would not be too certain that Trump will stay in office for his full term.

I mean, unless he stages a complete coup of the United States government and becomes the Lord God-king Emperor that his voters thought he would be.
No.414856
Anonymous
Replies:>>414857
>>414854
>becomes the Lord God-king Emperor that his voters thought he would be
Sometimes your inability to stop taking everything 100% seriously makes me wonder.
No.414857
Anonymous
>>414856
yes that was clearly 100% serious and not sarcasm
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Anonymous
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>>414858
I'm old enough to remember Trump ranting on the campaign trail about Hillary plotting to lay hands on the Mystic Orb of Globalist Islamic Order.
No.414861
Anonymous
Replies:>>414862
>>414858
I hope the arab oil dries up soon. I do not want those people influencing the planet.
No.414862
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414864
>>414861

I have some bad news for you, anon: One of those men could still influence the planet if all the oil in the world dried up tomorrow.
No.414864
Anonymous
>>414862
Not really, you still need oil to power a massive army.

And electric cars have to get electricity from somewhere.
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Anonymous
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>>414858
The full photo is pretty good, too.

For real, though, Alex Jones would've burst like a sweaty red water balloon if this were Obama or HRC.
No.414866
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414865

Imagine how President Bannon felt being there.
No.414867
Anonymous
>>414865
Defo a dark ritual being completed. I don't know who everyone in the photo is, but Donald Trump appears to be among their leaders ( and I suspect the man next to him is the Saudi leader) and too many of them are wearing business suits for anything good to come of what's happening in that room.
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Anonymous
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Day before the Montana special election, the Republican candidate assaults a reporter for asking about the GOP healthcare bill's CBO score (still terrible, btw).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams-reporter-ben-jacobs-montana

I'm guessing he got some bad internal polling numbers earlier that day.
No.414884
Anonymous
I'm quite sure you can't tell a lot from what happens in Montana. Weird election, weird candidates, weird events the day before and more importantly a lot of the vote locked in via mail because that's hwo they roll in Montana.

They might even prefer it if Gianforte loses because if he's convicted of physical assault even a disgusting soulless eel like Paul Ryan might feel a bit of pressure not to seat him.
No.414886
Anonymous
The actual question re: Montana was always more about what the margin and turnout looked like than actually beating GG or not, and even in that really both parties are more interested in Georgia anyway.
No.414887
Anonymous
More than body-checking a member of the press, I'm interested in how Montana managed to elect a man who sincerely believes we shouldn't have social security because Noah built an arc when he was 700 years old.

Like, GG Montana. I sincerely doubt this person will be able to cause any actual change in Washington, but you sent the nation a message loud and clear: that the majority of you are fucking dumbasses.
No.414889
Anonymous
http://www.salon.com/2017/05/25/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke-got-police-to-detain-passenger-who-questioned-him-on-flight/

>detain a person for shaking their head
>make a death threat on social media while already embroiled in a lawsuit

Wow, go Trump Train, go.
No.414890
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414889

Trump voters want that, by the way. Their candidate ran on an image of dominance and strength. They want authoritarians in charge, want that kind of use and abuse of power, want their leaders to dominate “the other side” by any means necessary.

At this point, Ol’ 45 really could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and get away with it. His rabid fanbase (including Fox News) would see to that.
No.414891
Anonymous
Yeah, however it doesn't go over so well in the arena where mob justice doesn't prevail, i.e. the court of law.
No.414892
Anonymous
Replies:>>414893
>>414889
>a sheriff did something
>TRUMP OBVIOUSLY TOLD HIM TO DO IT
Trump is not the king, dumbass.
No.414893
Anonymous
>>414892

Nobody said Trump told him to do it, you fucking imbecile, but Clarke is associated with the "Trump Train" because he is Trump's nominee for the Department of Homeland Security.
No.414894
Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html

I'm losing track of this shit. This communication backchannel has come up before, but is this the first time Kushner's involvement was specified? Him being neck-deep in this is so duh that the other day's story about him being the senior White House official under FBI investigation wasn't even a surprise, so this feels the same way.
No.414904
Anonymous
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No.414907
Anonymous
Replies:>>414908
>>414904
I would love it if instead of trying to drive the mentally ill so far up the wall they start killing so that we can argue about whose political affiliation is correct about the other over the still warm dead bodies of the innocent, WE INSTEAD GOT THEM SOME FUCKING MENTAL CARE.
No.414908
Anonymous
>>414907
"Mentally ill" is marched out for white Christians. If he was Black his entire family history would be scrounged through, if he was Muslim he'd be a terrorist.
No.414911
Anonymous
Replies:>>414927
>>414908
I have no idea what his racial background is, but like any of those three he needs help.
No.414912
Anonymous
https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/merkel-warns-us-britain-no-longer-reliable-partners

I long for the days of orb jokes
No.414913
Anonymous
>>414908
And "workplace violence" or "religion of piece" is marched out for nonwhites.
No.414914
Anonymous
Replies:>>414919
Fucking brutal.

https://thenib.com/a-gofundme-campaign-is-not-health-insurance?t=recent
No.414919
Anonymous
Replies:>>414922
>>414914
Maybe if obama didnt rob people to pay $600 million for a website that didnt even work, americans could afford to help each other.

And no, charity is not corporatist health insurance, charity seems to run a lot smoother.
No.414920
Anonymous
Replies:>>414923
Ah /pol/-kun you're back, wondered if your boy's bumbling failures had taken the wind out of your sails.
No.414922
Anonymous
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>>414919

yeah it ran so smoothly this guy died because he couldn't get $50.
No.414923
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>414920

>your boy’s bumbling failures
No.414924
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-administration-plans-to-minimize-civil-rights-efforts-in-agencies/2017/05/29/922fc1b2-39a7-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html

>The Trump administration is planning to disband the Labor Department division that has policed discrimination among federal contractors for four decades, according to the White House’s newly proposed budget, part of wider efforts to rein in government programs that promote civil rights.

I wish I could say that I am surprised by this.
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Anonymous
>>414911
>I have no idea what his racial background is
He's a white supremacist m8. So the media immediate goes for "mentally ill" instead of "terrorist" even though terrorism is a tactic he was using.
No.414931
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414932
https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/869720237884747777

…for fuck’s sake.
No.414932
Anonymous
Replies:>>414933
>>414931
But her... I can't do this anymore

There's nothing to say, really; GOP is proving over and over that they don't actually give a shit about security.
No.414933
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414932

The GOP only gives a shit about having the power to fuck over poor people and non-Whites.
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Anonymous
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Did he have a stroke in the middle of tweeting? Are we free?
No.414935
Anonymous
Replies:>>414936
I don't think President Pence is what I'd call "freedom"
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Anonymous
>>414935
True. At least without Donald to steal all the focus people might realize he's a crazy bald-faced liar, too.
No.414938
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>414934

I bet Candlejack got him, that rope-carrying son of a bi
No.414942
Anonymous
I hope that his tune-in-to-find-out waffling about the Paris Accord is just Season 2 of "We're pulling out of NAFTA, it's a bad, bad deal (and we're planning to make the announcement during the WHCA Dinner just to ruin journalists' evening)............. WE'RE STAYING WITH NAFTA"
No.414951
Anonymous
Replies:>>414954
>>414922
This happened AFTER people were taxed for a federal corporate insurance scam, which didnt deliver the meds.

If money was taken from people, and no one saw a health benefit, then wheres the fucking money?

Why arent you blaming the unaffordable act?

Youre blaming ordinary folk living hand to mouth because of obama.... yeah real rational.

Muh legaseeeeee!
No.414952
Anonymous
By the way california will have to increase taxes 3-4 times, from 140 billion to over 400 billion, to keep the an abortion like unaffordable care act which doesnt even deliver insulin to people who need it.

www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-healthcare-plan-advances-1496361965-htmlstory.html

Enjoy getting fleeced by megacorps!
No.414954
Anonymous
>>414951
>no one saw a health benefit
Nobody, of course, besides the 20 million who were previously uninsured.
No.414955
Anonymous
>>414954
It sure as fuck wasn't covering the guy who died from lack of insulin, which is who we're talking about.

>20 million
So you've managed to fuck over 330 million people, including people who need meds or provide charity to people who do.... in order to give CORPORATIONS tax money so they can cover 20 million people who might not even need coverage.

But hey, put your wallet where your mouth is, move to California and enjoy 22% state taxes (on top of 34% federal) if they're dumb enough to want the unaffordable care act in that one state. You'd be handing almost half your paycheck in for something that isn't even decent coverage for 5% of the population.

I bet you don't have the balls though. Bet you stay in a red state where people know how the economy works.
No.414956
Anonymous
Replies:>>414957
>so they can cover 20 million people who might not even need coverage.
I'm using "cover" loosely here since the unaffordable care act doesn't cover emergency services, surgery or hospital stays, outpatient care, rehab, anything relating to pregnancy, pediatrics, mental health services, laboratory services, or PRESCRIPTION DRUGS LIKE INSULIN.

At this point you may be asking yourself "well what the fuck DOES it cover?".

Well the insurance corporations pocket a few trillion dollars, print a little sticker with the words <<<You're Insured!>>> on it to 20 million people, which Obama then waves in the faces of people like >>414954 as proof that he did something during his 8 years instead of just wasting everyones time REMEMBRRR MUH LEGASEEEEEEEE!

So in short: the unaffordable care act covers Obamas ass.
No.414957
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>414958
>>414956

>the unaffordable care act doesn't cover

TrumpCare does not cover any of those things, either. Also, holy shit, you have a weird, seemingly sexual obsession with Obama and his “legacy”.
No.414958
Anonymous
>>414957
>Also, holy shit, you have a weird, seemingly sexual obsession with Obama and his “legacy”.

That's what the Trump thing is really about in the first place. No one actually likes Trump, they're just glad that SOMEONE is going to do their part to dismantle everything that happened under Obama to prove that white folk are still in charge.
No.414960
Anonymous
Trump supporters strongly support opposition.


It's good to see /pol/-kun out and about again, I was worried all the failure was disenchanting for him.
No.414961
Alpharius
Replies:>>414962
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This now explains why THICC became a popular meme.
No.414962
Anonymous
>>414961
R34 is needed
No.414964
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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No.414967
Anonymous
Man, imagine how many people they would've killed if they'd had guns!
No.414968
Anonymous
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>>414967
I'm really relieved they ONLY killed seven and injured 20 or more. We really need to work on banning assault vehicles.
No.414969
Anonymous
Replies:>>414970
>>414967
If only Donald had defeated ISIS in 30 days like he promised. Then they'd just have to worry about the IRA. Or UVF. Or UDA.
No.414970
Anonymous
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Good thing my earlier post was deleted. It might have offended someone!

>>414969
You're right, Trump should take an amount of blame for the deaths of seven innocent people. If only Hillary were president, I'm sure none of this would have happened.
No.414971
Anonymous
>>414970
Well the Western intelligence network wouldn't be shredded by a gigantic orange loudmouth so unironically yes.
No.414972
Anonymous
Replies:>>414975
>>414971
At the very least Hill wouldn't be golfing at taxpayers' expense and retweeting Drudge Report while it was going down.
No.414973
Anonymous
>>414970
Your earlier post (if it was the same one that I deleted) was deleted since it was a worthless post. Not a different opinion or an offensive statement, but literally a mindless image post with no justification. There are other websites for that. Your current image, on the other hand, is a clever satire, and even if it wasn't at least you've got text to make your post worthwhile.
No.414975
Anonymous
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>>414973
Just because the joke goes over your head, doesn't mean it's not satire. It's was very related to current events, and it was related to the other posts I was making.

You just didn't like it.

>>414971
Oh hey, it's one of those cowardly lunatics that lurk the +/pol/ threads. What's it like being a pathetic parasite that produces nothing of value for society? Does it make you feel cool to be the rad keyboard warrior you always envisioned yourself to be?

>>414972
You're right. She'd at least be launching drone strikes on middle eastern countries and destabilizing Syria while doing all that. Trump's needs to step up his game.

//youtube.com/watch?v=OiyPTSvr6Zkyoutube thumb
No.414976
Anonymous
>>414973
>a clever satire

is it really
No.414977
Anonymous
Replies:>>414979
>>414975
I don't see anything in this post that refutes the idea that Trump hasn't botched the US intelligence agencies, only ad hominem. Good going.
No.414978
Anonymous
>>414975
>Does it make you feel cool to be the rad keyboard warrior you always envisioned yourself to be?
no u
No.414979
Anonymous
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>>414977
They didn't prove how Trump did that in the first place, so I don't necessarily see why I would have to disprove it. Nice post, friendo.
No.414980
Anonymous
Replies:>>414981
Funny how you didn't have all these talking points and comics to share after the terrorist attack in Portland.
No.414981
Anonymous
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>>414980
Funny how none of you said anything about the Manchester attack. Funny how, no doubt, you would have nothing to say about these new attacks outside of blaming Trump or people who aren't leftist. Funny how normal this kind of thing is becoming.

When do you think the next attack is gonna be? Where? What a fun game it is to play, to try to predict when more innocent people will die while doing nothing about it. Because god forbid we look intolerant.
No.414982
Anonymous
>>414981
Considering its been going on for decades at a more frequent rate than now, I'm not sure how its funny that its become normal. That would be like me claiming white men going on shooting sprees because they hate brown people or a woman turned them down was abnormal.

Also, good job pretending to miss my point. Your priorities are as obvious as they've always been.
No.414983
Anonymous
>>414981
>people who aren't leftist
I mean, are you going to try and argue that religious fundamentalism is LEFTIST?
No.414984
Anonymous
>>414973
>is a clever satire
Que
No.414985
Anonymous
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No.414986
Anonymous
Replies:>>414990
>>414985
But where does police action fit on this if counted separately from murder?
No.414988
Anonymous
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>>414985
>my online posts are the second biggest cause of death
No.414989
Anonymous
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>>414985
Something tells me that graph lacks accurate scale. Still makes a point, but it would make more of a point if it were to scale.
No.414990
Anonymous
>>414986
Non-transport accidents, duh.
No.415000
Anonymous
Welp, Trump is p-bobably fucked from that Comey testimony.
No.415002
Anonymous
Replies:>>415004
>>415000
The Republicans will continue to shield him.

Sessions however.
No.415003
Anonymous
>>415000
Suuuuuuuuure.
No.415004
Anonymous
Replies:>>415007
>>415002
The RNC's got their talking points ready (basically, Comey's a huge liar while at the same time his testimony exonerates Trump somehow).

Unfortunately I'm pretty sure Sessions will be a "Bannon's on the outs you guys/Gorka's totally gone you guys/Spicey's OUT you guys" rerun where it turns out no, not really.
No.415007
Anonymous
>>415004
Well, the Trump Supporters basically seem to be going with the talking points you said, but the RNC seems slightly more troubled (not enough to do anything, obviously), saying things like "Trump was new to the job and didn't know what he was doing" and just silently ignoring the fact that Comey testified under oath multiple times that Trump is a liar who can't be trusted.

Incidentally, Trump's lawyers came out and called Comey a liar because of that. But if he was lying, they should be pushing for perjury charges.
No.415008
Anonymous
Aaaaand Hung. That was hilarious, good show May, 10/10 would follow again.

Great gains from Corbyn, maybe I was wrong about him, even if he didn't fight Brexit, he can totally fight a general.
No.415009
Alpharius a go go
Replies:>>415013
May got too greedy and now, hopefully, the Tories will pay the piper.
No.415013
rasputin_zero !!e9Z+3lbULwW
Replies:>>415014
>>415009
Unfortunately for all of us, May's efforts to form a majority in the Commons have alerted /pol/ to the existence of the DUP.
No.415014
Anonymous
>>415013
So what

it's a fucking NI party and the gulf between the moderate tories on one end and the DUP on the other renders any attempts at forming a majority basically hopeless for her

the very most she could hope for is a supply arrangement i.e. basic budgetary functions

this is going to grind the tories into the DIRT
No.415020
Anonymous
Replies:>>415023
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No.415023
Anonymous
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>>415020
Thank you for percipitating the rise of our glorious Bucketlord May.
No.415030
Anonymous
Replies:>>415031
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No.415031
Anonymous
>>415030
Good, airtime for Republican distractions is to be minimized.
No.415043
Anonymous
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bah, she probably just fucked her way to the to-

wait, no.
No.415070
Anonymous
A bunch of Alt-Righters talk with 2 Russians:
//youtube.com/watch?v=FuiTjREOQe0youtube thumb

Hate the movement all you want, BUT if you ever wanted to learn what it's like in Russia right now, do watch.
No.415071
Anonymous
Replies:>>415072
>>415070
Nah, I'll wait till it comes from sources I don't expect to recut any information they get to support genocide.
No.415072
Anonymous
Replies:>>415073
>>415071
I don't remember there being anything about genocide there. Sure, Russians are guilty of genocide (at least in the past), but don't remember that brought up in the video even once.
No.415073
Anonymous
>>415072
Talking about the alt-right, cochise.
No.415074
Anonymous
Replies:>>415080
>>415070
>Hate the movement all you want
Will do, also fuck off, there's a million legitimate ways to learn about life in modern Russia.
No.415077
Anonymous
WHITE TERROR IN THE UNITED KINGDOM: CAUCASIAN RADICAL ASSAULTS RELIGIOUS FACILITY WITH VEHICLE, MOTIVATED BY PURIST IDEOLOGY

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/world/europe/uk-van-attack-london-mosque.html
No.415078
Anonymous
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Gotta have a good encryption password.
No.415080
Anonymous
>>415074
Well, good luck with that. Russia isn't releasing much truth about itself to the world.
No.415081
Anonymous
Replies:>>415083
>>415080
It doesn't have to you fucking moron, dissidents and journalists run rampant in Russia. Nobody cares about what the government says, or what you AR fuckwads do.
No.415083
Anonymous
>>415081
Alt-right assumes that just because they believe and do whatever Russia tells them, the rest of us do too.
No.415084
Anonymous
>>415080
>Russia isn't releasing much truth about itself to the world.
Then go ask /int/.
No.415089
Anonymous
Replies:>>415091
>>415084
Russian imageboarders are not normies.
No.415091
Anonymous
Replies:>>415092
>>415089
True, but they're closer to being normies than government representatives are.
No.415092
Anonymous
>>415091
Those weren't vuvmint representatives.

But still, good luck talking to normies from Russia. If you can find any online.
No.415095
Anonymous
Replies:>>415096
what is this fucking exchange
No.415096
Alpharius
>>415095
Passive aggressive banter with no one wanting to commit to an argument.
No.415116
Anonymous
>>415070
>BUT if you ever wanted to learn what it's like in Russia right now, do watch.

Russia is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-communist state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.
No.415117
Anonymous
Replies:>>415118
>>415116
Same anon who tried to convince others to watch the video.

You actually summarized most of it, albeit exaggerated the negatives.
No.415118
Anonymous
Replies:>>415120
>>415117
There's nothing exaggerated about it. That's the alt-right dream state: an uber corrupt, rusted over shitpile which rejects all outside attempts to help it with threats to take everyone with it when it inevitably goes into its death spiral
No.415119
Anonymous
Replies:>>415125
>>415116
Wew lad, thats ficking eerie.

>America is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-capitalist state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.
No.415120
Anonymous
Replies:>>415121
>>415118
Protip: alt-right is pro gay.
No.415121
Anonymous
>>415120
Protip: no it isn't
No.415122
Anonymous
Britain is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-colonial state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Cambodia is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-genocidal state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Turkey is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-caliphate state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Germany is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-fascist state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Mexico is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-stone age state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Arabia is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-slave state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Japan is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-imperialist state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Nigeria is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-tribal state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Israel is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-crusader state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Zimbabwe is North Korea extreem.

India is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-cannibal state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

Canada is North Korea lite. It's shitty, ugly, massively corrupt, contributes nothing, only exists due to blackmail and intimidation of other nations, is an ex-savage state that adapted an even worse system, and most of the population has no soul, culture, spirit or will to live.

hHahhahhah
No.415123
Anonymous
Da Tovarish, they shall crumble beneath are A-To level might
No.415124
Anonymous
>>415122
>Zimbabwe is North Korea extreem.
👌🏼
No.415125
Anonymous
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>>415122
>>415119
No.415126
Anonymous
Replies:>>415128
>"[America is] an ex-capitalist society

Fuckin' lol. America is an ex-democratic society, sure, but it's more capitalist than ever in history.
No.415128
Anonymous
Replies:>>415145
>>415126
eh

it's not the Gilded Age again YET
No.415130
Anonymous
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>>415122
Top post.
No.415133
Anonymous
Replies:>>415135
>>415130
You don't get to congratulate yourself.
No.415135
Anonymous
Replies:>>415136
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>>415133
Top kek.
No.415136
Anonymous
Replies:>>415137
>>415135
Gj proving the point
No.415137
Anonymous
Replies:>>415138
>>415136
Real talk though, I haven't made a post between >>415084 and >>415130. You're fooling yourself.

Now go find some more alt-right youtube videos for everyone to ignore so that we don't derail the thread.
No.415138
Anonymous
>>415137
Lol the dipshit using kek and praising defense if Russia accusing me of being alt-right, sure.
No.415139
Anonymous
Replies:>>415140
So as everyone expected, Gorsuch is an evil cunt and everyone should pray that next time he makes his daughter lick his balls she finds a lump.

Muslim ban is reinstated until October's actual ruling, but only for random people. Students, family and others with bona fides are exempt.
No.415140
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415161
>>415139

And SCOTUS will also look at the “I won’t bake a wedding cake for a gay couple” bakery case that every other court beneath it has ruled in favor of the gay couple. (The teal-dear version: Baker was asked to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, baker said no, the state said “that violates our non-discrimination law”, baker said “nuh-uh”, every appeals court said “yeah-huh”, baker kept appealing to SCOTUS, SCOTUS finally said “let’s get this shit over with” likely thanks to Gorsuch’s presence.)
No.415141
Anonymous
The baker ruling will probably hold, that ball is in Kennedy's court and he's been pretty consistent re: LGBT rights. If anything that hillbilly baker is probably going to accidentally nationally enshrine LGBT non-discrimination.
No.415144
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415141

If SCOTUS were to uphold the ruling, it would likely limit the ruling to that specific state just so the court could punt the issue and avoid pissing off Congressional Republicans (and their donors).
No.415145
Anonymous
>>415128
It absolutely is.
No.415146
Anonymous
Replies:>>415147
>>415141
The same Kennedy that told all black voters to go fuck themselves?
No.415147
Anonymous
>>415146
Kennedy votes pro-LGBT, Thomas votes pro-black. They trade off, it's weird.
No.415161
Anonymous
>>415140
Congress can regulate interstate commerce, its hard to tell if a brick and mortar bakery in one state applies as interstate commerce. I mean they might buy flour from out of state, but does that apply? If it was a corporate owned chain of bakeries it might be more clear.

Lower courts dont matter or care, their purpose is to keep the retarded nuisance lawsuits out of the way so SCOTUS can deal with morally ambiguous cases.

The token lesbians and Lady Lich are solid pro-intervention for protected classes.
Breyer is in play because hes a fucking idiot who doesnt understand any topic.
Kennedy is in play because hes pro LGBT but anti intervention (boy scout case).
Thomas, Gorsuch and Alito are solid anti intervention and anti special interest.
Roberts is closeted but he's anti gay marriage, which a lot of gays are because they hate marriage.

If nothing changes the bakery decision has a 60-66% chance of being uphheld. If vampire lady or kennedy is replaced by prez, its not even going to be a fight, itll be overturned for sure.
No.415162
Anonymous
Replies:>>415166
It's weird how Christians actually should be as cunty and petty towards divorced people, but have settled for only picking on gay people because they are a smaller group with less clout. What I'm saying is the bakery people deserve acid burns.
No.415166
Anonymous
Replies:>>415168
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>>415162
Whoa there buddy thats a bit extreme! Look whatever else you may think, one thing we can agree on is that Assad is a bastard and needs to be stopped.
No.415167
Anonymous
Replies:>>415181
>>415161
>vampire lady
Oi

Are you shitting on RBG
No.415168
Anonymous
>>415166
What the fuck does Assad have to do with anything, fuck off.
No.415169
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415161

You must really have a deep-seated hatred for women, gay people, and anyone even one inch left-of-center.
No.415171
Anonymous
Replies:>>415173
There is a zero percent chance Trump knows anything about his healthcare bill.
No.415173
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415171

There is a zero percent chance Trump knows anything about healthcare.
No.415174
Anonymous
>>415169
Plus anyone who's center right or even far-right-but-not-quite-as-far-right-as-a-nazi.
No.415179
Anonymous
The wife-raper is so upset Mika wouldn't fuck him.
No.415181
Anonymous
Replies:>>415182
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>>415167
You have to admit she looks the part.

>>415169
Why? Because I made some jokes? Who are you, the joke police? Grayest place on earth this board, its worse than Belarus.

>not mentioning that i also hate old people (who are all wildly attracted to me), latinas (but not latinos), the milquetoast right, and the bloody dutch
Pfeh! Pic related its me and your mum.
No.415182
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415184
>>415181

>Why? Because I made some jokes?

Like Ol’ 45, you seem to save your most vile material for those whom you have a deep-seated hatred. And, like Ol’ 45, you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for women.
No.415184
Anonymous
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>>415182
Not him, but:
>Like Ol’ 45, you seem to save your most vile material for those whom you have a deep-seated hatred.
Much like yourself.
>And, like Ol’ 45, you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for women.
Like how you have a deep-seated hatred for people who disagree with you.

Every time you try to put yourself into a position of superiority, you expose yourself for the absolute hypocrite you are.
No.415185
Anonymous
>>415184
Please die.
No.415186
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415184

If this is the best material you have, you need better material.
No.415187
Anonymous
>>415184
Why are you people's responses always so tedious and predictable? Is there something in your political dogma that also states that you're not allowed to have personalities or anything resembling a sense of humor, either?
No.415189
Anonymous
When you encounter misogynists, just write "80-20, 80-20, 80-20" a couple of times. Most misogynists are obsessed with sex and hate knowing most women get to have more of it with less effort.
No.415195
Anonymous
Replies:>>415196
If someone threatened to cut off Obama's finger unless he publicly said something demeaning about the appearance of a specific person, I think he would be physically incapable of doing it. Same thing with Bill, W and pretty much any president in the modern era.

The founding fathers would have hanged Donald from a tree by now.
No.415196
Anonymous
Replies:>>415197
>>415195
It says a lot about our situation that Dubya is experiencing a partial rehabilitation.
No.415197
Anonymous
>>415196
Partial. In the sense that we can now admit that "Okay, it turns out that getting kicked in the groin was not the worst thing that could happen to us, now that we have experienced being eaten alive by ants."
No.415208
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415214
>MODERN DAY PRESIDENTIAL

I now officially hate Donald Trump as much as I can possibly hate another human being.
No.415213
Alpharius a go go
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No.415214
Anonymous
Replies:>>415215
>>415208
Don't stop there Freehaven, you need to go farther!
No.415215
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415216
>>415214

If you want me to make a threat of violence against the President of the United States, you will not get what you want.
No.415216
Anonymous
>>415215
:(
No.415217
Anonymous
Replies:>>415219
Although it would be wonderfully entertaining if he would actually put his money where his mouth is on the "I can beat up journalists Wrestlemania-style" angle.
No.415219
Anonymous
>>415217
About as likely as anons being true to their word and actually fucking that _______.
No.415235
Alpharius a go go
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Anonymous
>>415235
Yes, but I would counter that vegetating in this corner has broadened my horizons more than Twain would believe.
No.415238
Anonymous
Replies:>>415243
>>415235
While that is true, I feel you posted that to say "look at me, I am just as smart like Mark Twayne!"

Sorry for being cynical, but........ we are imageboarders here.
No.415242
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
NPR tweeted out the entire Declaration of Independence yesterday. Ol’ 45 supporters thought it was propaganda against Dear Leader.
No.415243
Alpharius a go go
Replies:>>415264
>>415238
It's fine. I just wanted to post it because I wanted to post it. Whenever I post quotes in +/pol/ I actually expect them to be ignored.
No.415260
Anonymous
Hypothetical: The United States of America disband and each state becomes a separate nation. What happens next?
No.415261
Anonymous
Replies:>>415265
>>415260
Fuck off poltard
No.415262
Anonymous
>>415260
I think not all states will want to separate. We will end up with less than 50.
No.415263
Alpharius a go go
>>415260
No one is happy and every one starves or dies of dehydration, the end.
No.415264
Anonymous
>>415243
The global economy is thrown into shambles, and the US economy exponentially moreso. Red states lose the funding provided by blue states and now have to negotiate separate trade agreements with each, despite having very little in the way of exports to offer, and eventually begin suffering from massive resource shortages. Blue states continue to suffer problems because the issues that divide the country aren't based on state vs. state but urban vs. rural, so even the blue states have a huge problem with trump supporters.

A few states manage to thrive--probably California and New York, though it's likely that New York will suffer its own civil war and New York City will become its own unincorporated City State, which will constantly be at war with the rest of New York, which craves NYC's resources and culture.

Global warming continues to get worse because the red states, free of federal law, begin deregulating industry. Every state on the Mississippi river, regardless of its political orientation, is hit with pestilence, famine, and dwindling populations as upstate States allow industry to dump whatever they want into their waterways and the rest of the states suffer. The states affected by this go to war with the states that deregulate, and since they likely have stronger economies and better governmental systems to keep a regulated military in effect, likely win and either force concessions or conquer.

Eventually the US is all united under a single empire made up of the strongest and most willing to cooperate of the remnant states, which again will most likely be California and New York City, given the resources and population available to both and their willingness to set up governments that can actually get shit done.

From there, to see what happens next, check your history books under "Roman Empire."
No.415265
Anonymous
>>415261
>Fuck off poltard
Literally what
No.415266
Anonymous
Replies:>>415269
>>415264
And you people think /pol/ wears the tinfoil hat.

Look in the mirror every once in a while.
No.415267
Anonymous
Replies:>>415268
>>415264
I know California would die from NO WATER if it can't get a trade deal with Nevada ASAP. I could also see a lot of Cali's neighbors join under the New California Republic's banner. I give Washington a 50/50 chance joining California or Canada. And a bunch of states bordering Canada would unite under that red leaf. A Texas bloc would form and a New York bloc. Maryland and Utah both stay independent, as it has always been their dreams. Hawaii gets bought out by China.
No.415268
Anonymous
>>415267
>I know California would die from NO WATER if it can't get a trade deal with Nevada ASAP.
They have options to make that less of a problem if they would only enact them. Like kicking Nestle in the balls. But yeah, Climate Change is going to end up being the death of California regardless of what happens with politics.
No.415269
Anonymous
Replies:>>415270
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>>415266
Jesus Christ Anon, use your keyboard and type in a meaningful post that explains why you are so offended by this discussion. This has NOTHING to do with '/pol/tards' or conspiracy theorists or paranoia. You look in a fucking mirror, Anon. Try to visualise an external viewpoint of your posts and hopefully you will understand how out of place they are in this environment. Your post is not even in the wrong thread, it's in the wrong 4chan.
No.415270
Anonymous
>>415269
Your choice of image says all.
No.415275
Anonymous
Replies:>>415276
I like it how you are having that BS "I know who you are, anonymous poster" conversation again. Very nice.
No.415276
Anonymous
>>415275
Honestly, it's not that hard. There are only about ten people here.
No.415279
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415280
>>415276

I’m here, too.
No.415280
Anonymous
Replies:>>415282
>>415279
Fine, have it your way.

Honestly, it's not that hard. There are only about nine people and Freehaven here.
No.415282
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415280

See? That wasn’t so hard. 😃
No.415295
Alpharius a go go
Replies:>>415298
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Ehehehe.
No.415296
not even from Turkey btw
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To know that Turkey still have not admitted to the Armenian Genocide fills me with nothing but disdain for the dumb country.
No.415297
Anonymous
You know

I wonder what Bob Mueller's daily routine is. Like, I doubt he needs to do much actual INVESTIGATION, as such, both because his principal persons of interest scream their every crime out at the top of their lungs and because the intelligence community probably just dumps shit at his feet daily.
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>>415295
>anarcho-capitalists
My first impression of that political identity is the thought of capitalism without any regulation. Not my cup of tea.

>>415296
(I hope this wasn't meant to be anonymous because, this time for real, you can tell who the poster is)

I can't comment on that issue because I know next to nothing about it, but there are so many events that countries do not officially admit to or try to disguise even though it's obvious that they did it. Are they actually fooling anyone?
No.415300
Anonymous
Replies:>>415301
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>>415276
this site had just under a hundred users (us/uk/canada?) before we moved on with our life.

occassionally we swing by to watch the dumpster fire.

most of the american users either voted trump, or voted bernie and got disenfranchised by a corporation. the only ones that shill for hill are ~5 nolifes who stayed here instead of geting a job, house, wife/husband and growing out of a dead site.

these peter pan manchildren calling us poltards is pretty funny.
No.415301
Anonymous
>>415300
>most of the american users either voted trump, or voted bernie and got disenfranchised by a corporation
lolololol sure
No.415302
Anonymous
Replies:>>415303
HE POSTED THE EMAIL CHAIN
No.415303
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415302

Why wouldn’t he?
No.415304
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you're going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.

— Donald Trump, from a victory speech in New Jersey held on the 7th of June 2016, two days before Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer on the pretense that said lawyer would give Trump Jr. damaging information about Hillary Clinton; transcript of the speech: http://time.com/4360872/donald-trump-new-jersey-victory-speech-transcript/

Now, I cannot say for sure that Ol’ 45 knew about that meeting, but he never did deliver that “major speech” mentioned above.
No.415305
Anonymous
Replies:>>415306
If lefties were half as gutsy and emotional as Republicans they'd be talking about secession at this point.
No.415306
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415305

If Republicans were half as smart as they think they are, they’d be talking about impeachment at this point.
No.415313
Anonymous
Replies:>>415314
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She's always behind on White House messaging. They're obviously shifting towards "So WHAT if there was collusion, is that so wrong?"
No.415314
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415315
>>415313

That image makes me want to choke on my own vomit.
No.415315
Anonymous
Replies:>>415318
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>>415314
If only you did.
No.415318
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415320
>>415315

Well aren’t you a potential serial killer in the making.
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Anonymous
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>>415318
It's not like I'm actively plotting your death. I just think the possibility of you getting so angry about Trump that you kill yourself is hilarious. In any case, pic related.
No.415321
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415320

Well aren’t you a potential serial killer in the making.
No.415322
Anonymous
>>415320
I like that the person you've chosen to represent yourself is drawn like a villain from an Archie comic, as if even you recognize on some level that your proper role in any story is that of the villain.
No.415326
Anonymous
Replies:>>415327
I don't want /pol/-kun to die for whatever his hobbies or kinks are, I want him to die for being a Republican.
No.415327
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415328
>>415326

Well aren’t you a potential serial killer in the making.
No.415328
Anonymous
>>415327
You're an idiot who, after 9 straight years of Republicans telling us to die, is still unwilling it admit they're the enemy.

I mean fuck, you can't even take arms against alt-right fucks like /pol/-kun, and they're neo-Nazis.

Learn that their side is invalid and abandon this Liberal Golden Mean Fallacy. Only socialism can unite the populace against the enemy, because only socialism at once acknowledges that they ARE the enemy and offers real solutions to poverty.
No.415329
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415330
>>415328

I can disagree with assholes like /pol/-kun and denounce their philosophies without either wishing them dead or expressing a desire to commit an act of violence against them. I don’t want to hurt people if I can absolutely help it.

I know their side is invalid. I know they don’t care about anyone but themselves. Why should that give me any sort of justification for either wanting them dead or wanting to kill them myself?
No.415330
Anonymous
Replies:>>415331
>>415329
I don't necessarily agree with >>415328, but the "don't give them justification" argument is a non-starter. They don't need justification, and they actively make plans around liberals taking the "moral high ground" because it's a big part of why liberals are fucking pussies who can't get anything done and who both the left and the right in the US think of as jokes.

There's a reason the Left is on the rise but liberals are as derided as ever. And it's because liberals are jokes, like libertarians and the green party. Only difference is that liberals get just enough votes to control the debate formats and prevent any leftist parties from actually challenging the right.
No.415331
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415332
>>415330

I will not commit violence in the name of a political stance. I will not commit violence because someone’s opinions or morals or philosophical stances evoke a negative emotional reaction. If this stance makes me a coward in your eyes, I do not care—your arbitrary labelling does not and will not change that stance.
No.415332
Anonymous
Replies:>>415333
>>415331
It's not about cowardice, it's about the fact that your placing such significance on "being the bigger man" is bullshit and self-sabotage. I'm not arguing that you should go as far as that other anon and be happy with seeing rightists dead, but I'm saying that it's ridiculous to pretend like you have the moral high ground when by your unwillingness to fight the right with everything, you are complicit in their wrongdoing.

When millions of people die because the conservatives pass a "healthcare" bill that is designed to kill off the poor and enrich the already rich, that's fucking class warfare, and saying you won't engage in it with them doesn't mean you're not culpable for the evil you allow them to do. In fact your willingness to treat them like rational adults at all validates their tactics and their methods as though the things they say are positions that can be held by members of society without losing their right to be treated like sane people by the rest of us.

Your attitude normalizes rightwing extremism by coddling them for the sake of your own ego. It's not about cowardice at all--it's about how you're actively helping the Alt Right win legitimacy.
No.415333
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415334
>>415332

I will not kill to advance a political ideology or force a set of personal morals and ethics upon other people. What do I look like, the US government?
No.415334
Anonymous
Replies:>>415335
>>415333
But you will allow other people to kill to advance their political ideology. Meaning that you will kill to advance a political ideology, just not your own.
No.415335
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415336
>>415334

My stance centres around the desire to commit violence. If a Neo-Nazi attacks me or a friend of mine, I will punch that asshole in the face as an act of defense. But I will not provoke said Neo-Nazi into violence just so I can have an excuse to punch them in the face, nor will I punch them in the face unprovoked just because they are a Neo-Nazi.

Not wanting to commit violence is not the same as a hardline stance against never committing violence. I do not actively desire to hurt other people, but I will do so if violence is necessary to protect myself or others.
No.415336
Anonymous
Replies:>>415337
>>415335
>If a Neo-Nazi attacks me or a friend of mine
Hot tip, they do this every single day you liberal coward. The Nazi party is attempting to kill millions of us. Destroying the Republicans isn't provocation, it's self defense.
No.415337
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415336

You will not convince me to help you kill half of the US Senate. Stop trying.
No.415338
Anonymous
>>415337
They're a coup government, so even if I were trying to do that they have no legitimacy that would make it wrong. I am merely telling you to stop being a moron and coming down on people for wishing death on Nazis. They're fucking Nazis.
No.415339
Anonymous
>>415337
Again, I'm not trying to convince you to kill people--you've gone off on this tangent on your own because you're a milquetoast liberal moderate who wants to assassinate the character of anyone on the left far more than you want to work together to actually accomplish anything.

To people like you, it's far more important to look like the moral winner than to actually help anyone.
No.415340
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415339

>I'm not trying to convince you to kill people

Then what is all this shit about “you’re a pussy” and “this is class warfare” and “destroying the Republicans isn't provocation, it's self defense” if it is not a naked attempt to goad me into committing violence for the sake of a political ideology?
No.415344
Anonymous
>>415328
>Only socialism can unite the populace against the enemy, because only socialism at once acknowledges that they ARE the enemy and offers real solutions to poverty.
Because socialism worked out real well in Venezuela, right? Because that's definitely not going to turn out like every other Marxist experiment that's been performed. That's surely not going to lead to mass starvation and tyranny when you centralize power. I'm sure the governing body you elect (and I'm giving you a lot of credence when I say you'd actually do this democratically) wouldn't abuse the power you give them. No sir, the people you put into control won't become corrupt or killed by someone who wants to wield that power.

>>415339
It's really sad that I would side with Stone on anything, but if anyone here is a pussy, it's you and people like you. At least with Stone, he's somewhat willing to engage in debate about his politics--you are too cowardly to participate in discourse because you are either completely inept and don't know jack shit, or you know that if your policies and ideas were put to the test, you would be ripped to shreds. You've victimized yourself to the point where you believe that the principles of logic and reason are solely the tools of your "oppressors." Again, I really don't like Stone, but at least he's not such gutless moron to delude himself into believing that violence and destruction are the only reasonable solutions to whatever problems he sees.

I'm sure you're just going to use this to try to prove your point further, though. God forbid someone with differing politics find even one thing agreeable in another--that proves they're guilty by association.
No.415345
Anonymous
Replies:>>415347
>>415344
>Because socialism worked out real well in Venezuela, right?
Because capitalism worked out real well in Greece, right?
No.415347
Anonymous
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>>415345
Capitalism is not perfect or immune to cronyism, which is pretty much the absolute enemy of human society, but it's a fuck-load better than socialism at dealing with it and distributing economic benefits. Capitalism has problems, and they need to be addressed and worked out, but the solution is not Marxist bullshit.
No.415348
Anonymous
Replies:>>415352
>>415347
>Cherry picking examples of failure is only a good point when I do it.
No.415349
Anonymous
>>415344
You should get fucked and die imo.
No.415350
Anonymous
Replies:>>415351
>>415349
Now that's just cruel. Think of the poor individual who would have to fall on that grenade for him to get fucked!
No.415351
Anonymous
>>415350
That's fair (lol did you see Cheong's hot sex take)
No.415352
Anonymous
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>>415348
It's not cherry picking when every fucking example of Marxism has led to death, starvation, poverty, and tyranny. If socialism is so great, give me an example of it working out.

>>415349
More examples of how terrible you people are at dealing with reality. I dared to point out how full of shit you were, and you have a desire for me to experience pain and suffering. The truth is, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're merely spewing rhetoric you've learned from whatever source, and then turning to violence when your criticized because you don't have any ground to stand on. It's amazing how people can be this daft and lack any amount of self conscientiousness, yet pretend to be virtuous champions of the oppressed.

You're nothing but a different kind of oppressor. Someone who uses his supposed moral righteousness position of oppression to enforce his will on others.
No.415353
Anonymous
Replies:>>415358
>>415352
>If socialism is so great, give me an example of it working out.
If capitalism is so great, give me an example of it working out.
No.415354
Anonymous
Replies:>>415355
Every society I have heard of has people in it that are greedy and want more than their neighbour.

Economic ideology cannot protect the less fortunate from abuse. Neither capitalism nor socialism nor any non-oppressive system.
No.415355
Anonymous
>>415354
>Economic ideology cannot protect the less fortunate from abuse.
It absolutely can. You just assume it can't because capitalism has trained you to believe from an early age that greed is a universal constant.
No.415356
Anonymous
>>415355
>It absolutely can.
I'm listening. Please expand on your claim.
No.415357
Anonymous
Replies:>>415359
>>415355
>capitalism has trained you to believe from an early age that greed is a universal constant.
Replace capitalism with biology studies and then you have an accurate statement. Universal is actually a good word for it: this isn't limited to humans. Hierarchies exist because one or more beings wants more resources than the others in order to better ensure survival.
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Anonymous
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>>415353
So you can't give an example? Doing a real good job of dodging the argument.

Anyway, as far as examples of capitalism working out, I'd say much of the western world. I'm sure you're going to jump on this by pointing out how capitalism is not a utopian system that has brought prosperity to the world, but that's never been my point. I'll reiterate: capitalism is not perfect. It has flaws, and is susceptible to cronyism like any other society. Here's the second part of my point: socialism is not the answer. Socialism is even more susceptible to cronyism than capitalism is, and is more destructive.

None of you have yet to prove why socialism is somehow better than capitalism. The only thing you've done is wish violence upon me (and what a fucking shocker that is), and say that capitalism is not perfect.
No.415359
Anonymous
Replies:>>415363
>>415357
Except that conveniently ignores the existence of all social organisms which survive almost entirely through cooperative efforts and communal resource gathering / ownership, some to such a high degree that individuals don't even have the ability to fulfill basic biological functions, such as reproduction, because they depend on other members of the community to fulfill those roles. Humans, like ants or bees, are social organisms--not eusocial, to be sure, but our entire ability to thrive as a species has been dependent from the very beginning on our evolution into social beings. It's the reason we have managed to thrive despite other organisms that exist in the same niche as we do being better than us in pretty much every single other rubric--mental or physical--other than endurance and/or patience.

Much like every time right wingers and capitalists bring up "biology" to justify their tunnel vision, the "science" you cite is not the kind that's actually based on empirical evidence or studies.
No.415360
Anonymous
Replies:>>415362
>>415358
No but actually, please get run over by a truck.
No.415361
Anonymous
Replies:>>415362
>>415358
>Anyway, as far as examples of capitalism working out, I'd say much of the western world.
Didn't you just elect a candidate who ran on the premise that America, perhaps the posterchild of the "Western World" was not great, and wouldn't be until he came in to fix it? Isn't capitalism the actual reason most of the people who lost their jobs (i.e. people working in jobs like mining and manufacturing that have automated to such a degree that one person can do the work of hundreds) lost those jobs and were in such dire straights in the first place?

It's not just that Capitalism isn't utopian, it's that it's flat out dystopian and nightmarish and the only people who don't realize that are the people who won the capitalism lottery and got to be on the winning side of the "Fuck the majority of the citizens of this country" game. You are only able to believe that capitalism "works" because you were lucky enough to be born into circumstances that make it tolerable--and even then, even you admit that "there are problems." And I'll bet your idea of "problems" are more like "my taxes are too high" than "I can't eat even though there's more than enough food here to feed me because someone decided that they would rather I die of starvation than that anyone be allowed to eat for free."

And let's be honest about the real reason you support staying with this system, while we're at it: it's not because you think communism won't work. It's because you're afraid that you might not be deemed better than the majority of human beings by your society once it's done changing.
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Anonymous
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>>415360
Come on, you can come up with something better than that. Use your imagination a bit. Really dig into that nasty little part of yourself that's just begging to come out.

>>415361
>And I'll bet your idea of "problems" are more like "my taxes are too high" than "I can't eat even though there's more than enough food here to feed me because someone decided that they would rather I die of starvation than that anyone be allowed to eat for free."
Actually, one of the problems I think capitalism has is what you said in your first paragraph. It's a problem that's only going to get worse, too; the lower end of white-collar working class people are up next. It's something that really needs to be addressed. You're under this impression that I think capitalism is THE answer to societies problems, when really I just believe it's the best system we have right now. Hopefully we can fix these issues in time, and if that means we move on to a different system that is genuinely better (i.e. not fucking socialism), then that's what should happen.

Marxism isn't the answer to these problems. It's not going to fix anything, in fact it'll only make things worse.

>And let's be honest about the real reason you support staying with this system, while we're at it: it's not because you think communism won't work. It's because you're afraid that you might not be deemed better than the majority of human beings by your society once it's done changing.
I don't think communism (and I'm glad your calling it what it really is now) won't work, I know for a fact it won't work. It hasn't ever worked when it's been tried, and every time it's led to the deaths of millions, poverty, starvation, etc.

It's been tried. It doesn't work. How many more bodies do you need to understand that?
No.415363
Anonymous
Replies:>>415364
>>415359
Point taken, but I still believe that without brainwashing/disabling/killing all the power-hungry members of society, someone will always gain and use their power to exploit those below them for personal gain. I believe it's an inherent personality trait in certain people. Similarly, there will always be people who are able to be exploited.

Note: by fortunate, I didn't just mean people birthed into bad circumstance or victims of random events. People get scammed, people make bad investments. 100% success rate seems impossible to me simply because of selfish people being able to be selfish.
No.415364
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415363

>I still believe that without brainwashing/disabling/killing all the power-hungry members of society, someone will always gain and use their power to exploit those below them for personal gain.

Killing people tends to create further issues rather than solve them.
No.415365
Anonymous
>>415362
>pic
(National) Socialism
No.415366
Anonymous
>>415364
I agree. And unless that stuff is all done by a general mob of citizens, it implies that someone or some group has more power than others in a paradoxical manner.
No.415367
Anonymous
Replies:>>415369
>>415364
>>Killing people tends to create further issues rather than solve them.
One exception:
>Kill all the people
>No more problems for any human ever
Of course, it means we all forfeit the competition of life, which is embarassing if there are other ""intelligent"" lifeforms to discover us.
No.415369
Anonymous
Replies:>>415370
>>415367
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
No.415370
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>415369
No.415377
Anonymous
Trumpcare is dead again because a few Republican senators got mad that McConnell tried to trick them with Medicaid cuts that he told others would never be allowed to come into effect. Hopefully this means the death of tax reform as well and nothing being allowed to get done next year.
No.415379
Anonymous
Donald Trump: "Just get rid of Obamacare, when has a nation ever needed any healthcare at all? We'll make something up in a few months, do you really need national healthcare for a few months?"

The man is progressively more shockingly foolish with each day.
No.415380
Anonymous
Replies:>>415381
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Yfw you fail to commit a genocide of the underclasses
No.415381
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415380

Paul Ryan must have cried himself to sleep last night.
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Anonymous
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No.415384
Anonymous
Replies:>>415385
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/18/its-time-for-senate-gop-to-ditch-mitch-mcconnell-so-that-trumps-agenda-can-succeed.html

They've begun to feed on each other.
No.415385
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415384

As we all knew they would.
No.415387
Anonymous
Senate Intel Committee has scheduled a Kush smoking for the 24th.
No.415388
Anonymous
https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2017/07/18/the-al-capone-theory-of-sexual-harassment/

Hmmm
No.415390
Anonymous
Replies:>>415391
McCain has brain cancer, which can still warrant sympathy but also warrants a reminder that he has been trying to fuck over Americans in equally dire straits for years.
No.415391
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415394
>>415390

I would hope that McCain’s cancer diagnosis will spur him into giving a shit about health care reform rather than trying to repeal Obamacare (regardless of whether he and the GOP can replace the ACA [which they can’t]). But I do not trust to hope, especially when it comes to a Republican legislator.
No.415392
Anonymous
I hope it gets more and more painful each day until his passing. He deserves it for what he's done, helped do, and tried to do to America.
No.415393
Anonymous
In extremely unsuspicious news, Donald has now warned Mueller to not investigate any finances of his family not related directly to Russia, has talked to people about firing said Mueller and has been asking around about pardoning everyone, including himself.
No.415394
Anonymous
>>415391
>will spur him into giving a shit about health care reform rather than trying to repeal Obamacare
I don't know shit about American politics, but I would assume that guy is rich enough for Obamacare to be almost irrelevant to him.
No.415398
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415405
“Hey, who can the president pardon? Just asking for a friend; great guy, very big hands, won an election recently.” — Donald Trump, probably
No.415401
Anonymous
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/888540571568046081

You

You should read this
No.415402
Anonymous
Replies:>>415403
>>415401
That read like a parody fanfic.
No.415403
Anonymous
>>415402
it

sadly

is nonfiction, courtesy of the wsj
No.415405
Anonymous
>>415398
>won an election
[citation needed]
No.415406
Anonymous
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>>415401
I'm gonna miss Spicer

like, yeah, he was a scrupleless liar with no dignity, but he's also his own living Onion caricature
No.415407
Anonymous
Replies:>>415408
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It's really sad that all that shit goes down with the Minneapolis police so they stupidly think the answer is to hire more diverse police.

Why? Why are our reaction so binary, so two dimensional? America investigates for years and also seems to come to the wrong conclusion.

You don't need more black officers (especially self-hating ones who don't like kids or women) or officers of any race, you need officers who are taught to acknowledge any bias they might have and work to correct it.

You need the steadiest people you can find, if you can describe an officer as "jumpy" or "twitchy" he really shouldn't be an officer, regardless of race.

I think America's race problem is how MUCH it worries about race, on both sides. The frustrating thing is listening to the protesters, because they get it, they are so tired of this bullshit.
No.415408
Anonymous
>>415407
>I think America's race problem is how MUCH it worries about race, on both sides.
That is traditionally the position held by those too privileged to realize the degree to which these things affect people's lives when they're not in as privileged position as the speaker.

"Colorblindness" is not a lack of racism, it's white-centrism and apathy coated in a thick layer of (often intentional) obliviousness.
No.415409
Anonymous
>>415408
I see what you mean, still that said I think we can definitely agree diversity hires are not a solution.

I think accepting biases and moving to correct them is a healthier and more realistic solution.
No.415410
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415408

>"Colorblindness" is not a lack of racism, it's white-centrism and apathy coated in a thick layer of (often intentional) obliviousness.

Agreed. Combating racism is not some one-and-done occurence where some miracle combination of laws, societal norms, and plain goddamn luck will deliver us from the evils of racism. It is an ongoing effort that lasts a lifetime.
No.415411
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415409

An even better solution would be to teach police officers about de-escalation tactics and a much more judicious use of violence.
No.415412
Anonymous
>>415409
>I think we can definitely agree diversity hires are not a solution.
I disagree. Diversity hires are important because non-whites suffer economic hardship from the normalization of whiteness. When people think of "leaders" and "successful businessmen" and things of that nature, they think of white people. White people have less to prove to potential employers because they automatically look like the kinds of people who have held these positions in the past, assuming they haven't made special effort to look unusual. This creates a bias which affects other races negatively from an economic standpoint.

Diversity hires are certainly not an ideal solution, but they're definitely the most realistic way of addressing the problem.
No.415413
Anonymous
Replies:>>415414
>>415412
Then we should at least not pick the twitchy guy to be a cop?
No.415414
Anonymous
Replies:>>415434
>>415413
Agreed on that front. We could probably do with a lot fewer cops in general and a lot more training and regular testing / psychological screenings for the ones we have. And maybe even consider disarming most of them, other than non-lethal things like pepper spray and truncheons.

If nothing else, disarming like 75% of the police in the US of their firearms would ensure that the cowardly bullies refused to join the force anymore.
No.415415
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415412

Diversity/representational hires can also increase the amount of police officers who actually represent the racial diversity of the places they patrol. That can help better build more trust between the police and the communities they serve.
No.415417
Anonymous
Replies:>>415420
I'm calling it: Prince George of Cambridge will be confirmed homosexual or at least a mainstream media outlet will speculate about it.

hahha imagine it, the first Apache-kin prince. what a time to be alive
No.415420
Anonymous
>>415417
That wouldn't be a huge deal. UK has had gay king's before.
No.415434
Anonymous
Replies:>>415435
>>415414
Disarming the police when guns are so prevalent amongst the population, both law-abiding and criminal, seems like a poor move.

In the UK guns are less common and the territory is smaller so not every officer needs to be equipped to fight against gun-wielding assailants compared to the armed response unit, though there is a shortage of officers for the nation that is something of a problem.
No.415435
Anonymous
>>415434
>Disarming the police when guns are so prevalent amongst the population, both law-abiding and criminal, seems like a poor move.

Which is part of why it would weed out the cowards. Only people who are really dedicated to keeping the peace--and de-escalating deadly situations--would stick around.
No.415436
Anonymous
And of course the populace being armed in the first place is itself a mistake in need of curtailing.
No.415437
Anonymous
Replies:>>415439
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No.415439
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415437

This would be funny if it were possible that “ignorance of the plight of Middle America” was the only conceivable reason for Trump’s victory. But between Democrats fucking up on messaging, Republican gerrymandering, potential Russian interference, and the entirety of the Trump campaign (specifically his own rhetoric and behavior), saying “we should care more about poor whites in Iowa” does not actually solve the issues of Republicans attacking voting rights (amongst other things), Democrats fucking up on messaging, corporate money influencing political campaigns (and beyond), the possibility for more dark money to enter politics by way of non-enforcement of the Johnson Amendment in re: houses of worship (which is actually a tacit state endorsement of religion thanks to the Trump regime only applying the non-enforcement to churches instead of all non-profit organizations), and the Ol’ 45 regime trying to dismantle the federal government and set up his Mafia-style family business bullshit.

Yes, the whole “we need to pay attention to the actual working-class people again” argument has merit. Yes, we need a government that will give those people a break rather than turn a deaf ear to them while listening to (and taking money from) billionaires. But that is not the only reason Trump won, and anyone who believes otherwise is a damned fool.
No.415440
Anonymous
Replies:>>415444
Bernout turnout WAS also a problem.
No.415444
Anonymous
Replies:>>415445
>>415440
Something liberals were warned about when they kept demeaning and marginalizing leftists after Bernie's concession. They made their own bed there by expecting leftists to fall in line no matter how the liberals treated them, despite the fact that leftists tend to be idealistic to the point of martyr complexes. PLUS, all that still just reinforces the point already being made here--liberals ignored the desire of the common people and especially those on the left to reduce the influence of crony capitalism on politics.

Yes, it was dumb for leftists to let Trump get into office because they were too apathetic to vote when the only other choice was a liberal, but it was also entirely predictable and could have been easily addressed by the liberals. They decided that it was not worth their time to court the leftist vote. The failure was their fault. They could have easily gotten leftists enthusiastic enough to vote for Clinton by being more inclusive of "Bernouts" and playing up their ideals. They decided instead to rest on their laurels and let the shittiness of the other candidate do their work for them.

There's no denying that leftists didn't show up for Clinton. And yes, to a certain extent, I hold those who refused to bother voting partially responsible for Trump's victory. But the vast majority of the blame goes to the liberal, establishment wing of the Democratic party who relied on corporatism, money in politics, and largely maintaining the status quo as enough to push them to victory.
No.415445
Anonymous
Replies:>>415446
>>415444
Make no mistake, I consider Clinton not simply coopting Bernie as VP a killing blow, but that doesn't excuse our nominal fellow leftists for not sucking it up and voting Lib. Voters and Candidate alike are responsible for our predicament.
No.415446
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415445

>voting Lib

Yes, people who voted for Jill Stein—a candidate with no chance of winning a single state, much less the entire national election—are another factor in Trump’s victory.
No.415447
Anonymous
Replies:>>415448
>>415446
...okay that was my fault

I was referring to sucking it up and voting LIBERAL i.e. Clinton, not Libertarian
No.415448
Anonymous
Replies:>>415449
>>415446
>>415447
Jill Stein was Green, not Libertarian. The Libertarian candidate was that dude who managed to be even less qualified and well-informed than Trump, which is a status usually reserved for single-celled organisms.
No.415449
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415448

Libertarian, Green, whatever—third-party voters fucked shit up for everyone by throwing away their votes.
No.415450
Anonymous
Replies:>>415451
>>415449
Well, no. The real problem was turnout. The Dems lost much more votes to no-shows than they did to third parties. 3rd Party voters are usually insane enough that they're not supporting the mains whether they show up or not. Bernouts are called as such because they stayed home.
No.415451
Anonymous
Replies:>>415455
>>415449
>>415450
I find it silly that your American voting system makes it pretty stupid to vote for anything other than the main two parties. I doubt it will change in our lifetimes.
No.415452
Anonymous
Replies:>>415453
>415451
Agreed, though there *are* actual movements being made toward moving away from First Past the Post. Most of the progress is being made in smaller jurisdictions, like in local or state elections rather than Presidential.

There's also an ongoing effort to move to national popular vote that is getting fairly close to succeeding--it doesn't require national legislation because it's a compact between States. Each state agrees to switch to granting all of their electoral votes to whoever wins the national popular vote once the others in the compact do, which takes effect once the sum of electoral votes amongst all states in the compact is 270 or more.

It doesn't require an act of Congress, since it's guaranteed in the constitution that each state can decide for itself how its electoral votes are distributed. Because of this, it's also possible that the same rule could be used to move toward an alternate system on a state-by-state basis. California, for example, could move to a Ranked Choice Voting system and award its electoral votes accordingly. It's not as good as changing things nationwide, but it's a start. And once it's successful in one jurisdiction, the chances of it moving to other jurisdictions increases.

There are a few other things we need to do that might be harder to accomplish, though. Like doubling our number of national legislators and using proportional representation rather than district-based, to eliminate gerrymandering and also make the senate more representative.
No.415453
Anonymous
>>415452
>though there *are* actual movements being made toward moving away from First Past the Post.
Good to hear. Even if it's in smaller jurisdictions, it's still a step forward.

>It doesn't require an act of Congress, since it's guaranteed in the constitution that each state can decide for itself how its electoral votes are distributed.
That comes as a surprise to me, I just assumed the federal Congress controlled the whole election system.

Thank you for the post. I didn't know much about this stuff before.
No.415455
Anonymous
>>415451
I mean it's not like MP voting isn't still FPTP, you just have boroughs where some 3rd parties are popular enough
>That comes as a surprise to me, I just assumed the federal Congress controlled the whole election system.
Nah, because originally our constitution was the stitching together of multiple disparate political entities rather than establishing the administrative boundaries within one larger entity

Welcome to the hell that is federalism!
No.415456
Anonymous
Its also worth noting that the two parties in the US aren't really "parties" as such, more like premade coalition governments. The implementation of this in practice has shifted somewhat, especially for the Republicans who tend to keep in line, but it's definitely still true for the Dems. Basically, both parties breakdown into multiple smaller political divisions, sort of like how Labour includes both Corbynistas and Blairites, so just because they share a banner doesn't mean they're agreeing on everything, or indeed ANYTHING. What this means for the 3rd parties is that in order to not be in one group or the other, you've probably gone so far off the reservation that most would consider you a lunatic.
No.415457
Anonymous
Replies:>>415458
Fuck John McCain.
No.415458
Anonymous
>>415457
I blame the brain cancer, no one could be so stupidly self-disservicing.
No.415460
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Ol’ 45 just announced that he will ban transgender people from serving in the military in any capacity, supposedly because of “massive” medical costs. Oh, and he announced this not at a press conference or a special address from the White House, but via Twitter.

I fucking hate him so goddamned much.
No.415461
Anonymous
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>>415460
>he announced this not at a press conference or a special address from the White House, but via Twitter.
So he did it appropriately, considering the subject matter. Trannies shouldn't be in the military, and it's ridiculous that people with a mental disorder like that were allowed in the first place.
No.415462
Anonymous
>>415461
This is why we should be murdering Republicans.
No.415463
Anonymous
>>415462
Your first response to such a post being that you want to murder people isn't exactly a... stable... response? Its just not the best choice overall.
No.415464
Anonymous
>>415461
trust a nononfag to have such shitty, ignorant beliefs
No.415465
Anonymous
Replies:>>415467
>>415460
>>415461
Could be backlash for Obama pardoning Manning.

>>415462
Rude.
No.415466
Anonymous
>>415462
I disagree with that anon but he has a fair point. You don't.
No.415467
Anonymous
>>415465
It's to get funding for the stupid wall no one intelligent wants + goading from everyone's favorite drunken uncle Bannon

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990
No.415468
Anonymous
>>415466
>I disagree with that anon but he has a fair point
Fuck off and die.
No.415469
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415471
>>415466

>I disagree with that anon but he has a fair point

The US military already employs several thousand transgender people. The costs of their medical care are negligible (at best) compared to both the overall amount of money spent on the military and, say, the costs of Ol’ 45 spending a weekend at Mar-a-Lago with the Secret Service and such in tow. And I have yet to hear of any study or report that shows how trans people serving openly has enough of a negative effect on “military readiness” that would justify a blanket ban on their service in any capacity. So yes, please fuck off with that bullshit.
No.415471
Anonymous
>>415469
Well thank you for providing a counterpoint as opposed to the other anon who just said "Fuck off and die."

Also new thread when? I didn't read the post count but the thread is looking pretty long.
No.415472
Anonymous
>>415471
Update: Ok just 25 more posts. That should be fine
No.415473
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415474
>>415471

In fairness, you didn’t really deserve a counterpoint because no, trans people are not some grave threat to “military readiness” or “unworthy” of putting their lives on the line in service of their country because they are trans, and anyone who says otherwise does not have “a fair point” because they are trying to justify anti-trans bigotry. They should be told to fuck off—especially if they lack any actual evidence or any sort of fact-based argument to back up such a “fair point”. If you say something is a “fair point”, you can either explain why or you can fuck off.
No.415474
Anonymous
>>415473
>you can either explain why or you can fuck off.
All my explanations are based of anecdotal evidence or limited personal observation, because as an egalitarian I have no absolutely interest in transexual people statistics, nor do I have any interest in gathering US military facts. So I will, as you suggested, fuck off from this conversation from this comment forth. Nevertheless, I still appreciate that you actually gave an argument as opposed to a dismissive death threat.

(I understand that you may be shocked to see me describe myself as egalitarian, but I will restate that I don't agree with the ban (I'm personally appalled). On the other hand, I acknowledge that trans people do cost more for the military to handle, and the US already spends way too much on defense. It's not, in my opinion, a cost worth cutting, but that doesn't make the cost not exist.)
No.415475
Anonymous
>>415474
>I understand that you may be shocked to see me describe myself as egalitarian
That's not surprising at all, that's right wing dipshit 101 speech.

The medical care of all transgender soldiers literally costs less than the military spends on viagra.
No.415476
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415474

>I acknowledge that trans people do cost more for the military to handle

No. No, they do not. If you are going to make a statement like the one you made, either back it up with facts or understand that you will be mocked for making a declarative statement without anything to back it up.
No.415477
Anonymous
McConnell in tears this evening because he missed another chance to kill the proletariat.
No.415478
Anonymous
Replies:>>415480
I think calling McCain a fucking "loser beta RINO-cuck" (paraphrased) for being caught by the Congs and threatening to freeze Alaskans alive to punish Murkowski (why the fuck is she even a republican?) might maybe possibly have been a poor stratagem.
No.415480
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415478

Trump might just ask Bannon to try sucking his own dick; Dolt 45 will need a good laugh after today.
No.415481
Anonymous
Replies:>>415482
Bear in mind that McCain totally voted Y to the MtP so he could be all dramatic and vote No to the bill to look like a hero. That's some wrestling bullshit, and he did it with the healthcare of millions so he could have an ego trip.


Meanwhile, Collins and Murkowski actually have consistently, publicly stood against this the whole time, and break from Mitch and Trump on the regular.

Oh but McCain has a penis, guess he must be the real hero here after all.
No.415482
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415481

John McCain put the Senate in the position of voting for the “skinny repeal” when his vote on the MtP could have prevented that situation. Fuck him and everything he stands for.
No.415483
Anonymous
On the plus side, him doing that has caused Mitch to blow their one reconciliation attempt for the year, unless I misunderstand that. They'll need 60 now. They could try again next year but like hell they're stamping anything that poisonous on election year.
No.415484
Anonymous
On my bucket list is taking the biggest shit I can on McConnell's grave.
No.415485
Anonymous
Replies:>>415486
Oh dear, Priebus just got fired over Twitter.

He's being replaced with General Kelly, which might be more alarming if everyone sucked into Trump's orbit didn't debase themselves sooner or later.
No.415486
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415485

Hmm. He made a general his new Chief of Staff, he gave several speeches to a few uniformed groups this week (the Boy Scouts, the police, the military), he encouraged the police to basically forget about the civil rights of average citizens and “get rough” with arrested suspects, and he keeps staffing positions based on “loyalty” rather than any actual qualifications.

Ol’ 45 is getting desperate.
No.415487
Anonymous
Replies:>>415488
Could be he's preparing to fire Mueller, at which point America will be on the verge of falling apart mentally and emotionally.
No.415488
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>415487

Not to mention Constitutionally.
No.415489
Anonymous
Replies:>>415490
Apparently he's planning to just tell Congress to fuck themselves, in which case, hey! The good news is Trump will be impeached, the bad news is that leaves us with President Pence who might actually be able to make a government that can send us back to the stone age.
No.415490
Anonymous
>>415489
Unlikely. Pence will be more competent than Trump, no question than that (I mean, so would a ficus, so don't take that as too much of a compliment there Mikey), but the republicans have still shown themselves to be incapable of governing even with a majority in both houses. The things they want go against the wishes of the American people, and they are discovering that even when they control the government, the wants of the citizens do actually matter.
No.415491
Anonymous
Replies:>>415498
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>>415490
>the wants of the citizens do actually matter
Since when?
No.415492
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415493
>>415490

>The things they want go against the wishes of the American people

Oh like that matters.
No.415493
Anonymous
Replies:>>415494
>>415492
It stopped Trumpcare.
No.415494
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415495
>>415493

Temporarily.
No.415495
Anonymous
Replies:>>415496
>>415494
MOST likely permanently actually. They've blown the reconciliation, and they're not going to use it next year with an election threatening them.

Trump can still defund ocare (if he understood how that worked) but Tcare should be effectively dead.
No.415496
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415497
>>415495

That depends on whether the GOP can retain control of Congress through the midterms. Given how hard they will likely be fighting to do that—i.e., how hard they will be fighting any attempts to de-gerrymander Congressional districts and protect voting rights—I would not consider the Trumpcare issue “closed” for good. The GOP waited seven years to try this shit; they can wait two more if it means growing the Congressional majority they need to pass the bill.
No.415497
Anonymous
>>415496
>The GOP waited seven years to try this shit
Correction:

They SAID they waited for it. At MINIMUM half just thought it was bluster and they'd never be able to do it. They just lost the game of chicken and now we're threatened by it.


Yes, it hinges on the midterms of course, but having these idiots' signatures on a nationally famous bill with sub-20% approval is USEFUL in this regard, nevermind the constant idiocy out of the WH forcing the country out of apathy.
No.415498
Anonymous
>>415491
Since citizens have been bothered enough to make things very difficult on those who decided to tow the party line instead of representing their constituents. People have been barraging them non-stop about healthcare, the approval is in the toilets, and serious money has been donated to groups and politicians running to unseat the people who supported this nonsense. It was enough to make the representatives fight about how to implement it (in the first round that was run aground by the "Freedom Caucus" who decided the noise was because the replacement wasn't conservative ENOUGH) and to tell the three Republicans who didn't support the skinny repeal that they would be supported for their decision to fight it.

The smartest among the Republicans understand that while they have stacked the odds in their favor via a lot of dishonest workarounds to subvert democracy, these same cheats also make their position precarious--for example, gerrymandering makes "safe" districts less safe by moving more democrats into republican districts to try to make their votes not count, so a sufficiently strong democratic wave or a strong enough left turn amongst swing voters would turn all their redistricting into a liability that creates far more democratic seats than the democrats should actually have. Their position not only isn't safe, it's dangerous.

And they really don't want a democratic majority right now. A democratic majority in both houses right now would be very bad for not only Trump's presidency, but as more and more Republicans are looking complicit based on the increasingly criminal-looking revelations leaking from the most incompetent administration in American history, for the majority of the leadership Republican party.

When Trump goes down, there is a very high chance he takes the Republican party as we know it down with him. Cutting the head from the beast won't kill it, but it'll make it have to spend a lot of time and energy growing a new head.
No.415506
Anonymous
Replies:>>415507
I joked about Scaramucci not lasting a week but I didn't think they'd actually do it
No.415507
Anonymous
>>415506
11 days, the Mooch dwelled amongst us
No.415508
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html

Literally how fucking stupid can Trump get?
No.415509
Anonymous
As stupid as his average supporter at least, so he has a way to go yet.
No.415512
Anonymous
Replies:>>415513
Foreign leaders can see through Trump like a wet linen.
No.415513
Anonymous
>>415512
I'd be scared if that weren't the case. Most relevant countries have competent leaders since the fall of monarchy.
No.415514
Anonymous
Replies:>>415515
the executive branch might as well be run by Kelly, McMaster, and Mattis at this point

sure, it's a hair's breadth from a junta and they're all hawkish fucks, but they're, ya know, Competent Adults
No.415515
Anonymous
>>415514
Honestly, of all scenarios that are Reasonably Possible at the moment, that one's probably the best.
No.415516
Anonymous
Replies:>>415517
Hahhahahahahah the racist rapist had to tell Mexico's leader to PLEASE stop telling everyone that Mexico isn't paying for no fucking wall, because "I can't live with that".

Trump is such a fucking beta.
No.415517
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415524
>>415516

And he also called New Hampshire—a state he claimed to have won in the election, but actually lost—“a drug-infested den” in that same phone call.

I really have to wonder how long it will be before Congress ignores him and listens to General (President?) Kelly.
No.415518
Anonymous
I would love to go up to Trump supporters and ask "How does it feel to be played like a violin by a New York Wall-street liberal?"
No.415519
Anonymous
Replies:>>415525
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I always get a kick out of the stocks plunging after a breaking RussiaLago development.
No.415520
Anonymous
Replies:>>415521
trump evicted the SS from TT due to a lease issue
No.415521
Anonymous
>>415520
next he'll refuse to rent out golf carts to them
No.415524
Anonymous
>>415517
>General (President?) Kelly
military coup when?

don't take that seriously
No.415525
Anonymous
Replies:>>415526
>>415519
I get what RussiaLago means but where does that term come from.

It's probably something obvious but I don't see it.
No.415526
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>415527
>>415525

Trump owns a resort in Florida named Mar-a-Lago.
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Anonymous
Replies:>>415528
>>415526
Which he is currently taking a 17 day vacation to.
No.415528
Anonymous
>>415527
No surprise, after all those accomplishments.
No.415529
Anonymous
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>Within one month of issuing body cameras to a third of the Baltimore police department two officers suspended without pay and four others on leave pending investigation with all pending investigations by the officers dropped and all cases they were involved in immediately entering review, in all hundreds of cases dropped.

>City actually taking a blow because of how much it relied on money generated by fraudulent fines and arrests.

>No one told them it takes 30 seconds after you hit the off button for the camera to actually turn off.

>Cops such major scum bags they could literally not go thirty seconds without committing a crime if believing they aren't being recorded.

Clearly we need to set randomizing times between when an officer hits off and the camera actually goes off.
No.415530
Anonymous
Replies:>>415531
>Clearly we need to set randomizing times between when an officer hits off and the camera actually goes off.
Why even let them choose when turns on and off? Sure, it requires more data storage, but it's just another distraction and it allows selection of what evidence is collected.

To all non-American anons here: What are police like in your country? Is the state of the American police force typical?
No.415531
Anonymous
Replies:>>415534
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>>415530
No, American police are very much their own thing, in Canada we struggle with it more, especially in the wake of Bourque.

But we still never really go to guns, this fucker killed three officers and crippled 2 others for life: they still didn't shoot him but they sure as hell curb stomped him up and down the street to the applause and cheers of the people. He cried because he told officers that "he was supposed to be the hero" because they "were coming to take his guns away."

Should have taken them sooner, anyway it super cemented in the Canadian consciousness that guns are for cowards to wreak mayhem and that no one needs handguns besides police and security.
No.415533
Anonymous
Replies:>>415536
Oh geez, Trump is helping MS-13, his tough talking is making EVERYONE far more afraid to call the police which means they can kill with impunity and force unprecedented numbers into the gang, they even promise with loyalty that they will keep ICE off your family. This is really bad.
No.415534
Anonymous
>>415531
>guns are for cowards to wreak mayhem and that no one needs handguns besides police and security.
Similar attitude here in Australia, from what I've seen. There's just no need for them.
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>415533

This is what happpens when you put a man who knows nothing about policing or gangs or terrorism or anything outside of being a self-absorbed fuckhead in charge of anything beyond his social media accounts.

God help us if Mark Zuckerberg actually decides to run for president.
No.415537
Anonymous
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>>415536
Zuckerberg vs Kanye 2020
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>415537

>Kanye

I think you mean “The Rock”.
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Anonymous
>>415547
I think you mean "Kid Rock."
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Anonymous
Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk