/baw/ - General Discussion

>>408180
If you insist.

>>408182
this was replying to stone's insistence

I was under the impression that the murdering dickbag in France had no ties to any terrorist organisation. But yeah, it's horrible... I just wish there was something I could do, y'know?

>>408185
IS has claimed responsibility but they always do so

No really, I'm still blown away by BORIS as FS.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZV0FK?il=0

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/world/europe/russia-looks-to-populate-its-far-east-wimps-need-not-apply.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/republican-national-convention-speakers/index.html

http://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/65461/brexit-poll-half-of-public-think-uk-will-not-exist-in-ten-years

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ukraine-s-disappeared-cast-a-long-shadow-over-a-divided-nation-1.2722351

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-scotland-may-idUSKCN0ZV1I0

May won't pull the trigger without consensus

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/15/filmers_of_alton_sterling_eric_garner_killings_say_police_harassed_detained_them/

Cops have been accosting those who filmed murders committed by cops.

http://m.voanews.com/a/beijing-arms-spending-may-rise-south-china-sea-ruling/3419971.html

Something appears to be Happening in Turkey:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36809083 - Turkish military blocks Istanbul bridges

//youtube.com/watch?v=W2cRWA18Cco - Jets Flying Low in Turkey - Possible Coup Underway

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-gunfire-reported-ankara-military-8431179 - Gunfire reported in Ankara as military jets seen flying over Turkish capitol

I want to get off of 2016's wild ride...

>>408188
One theory going around is that May is keeping the main Brexit lot where she can keep an eye on them (except for Gove, but who gives a shit about that little cunt?). Another suggests that if they fuck up at their new jobs - and let's be honest, for some of them it'll a case of "when" not "if" - then she can go "Welp, guess the guys who wanted Brexit are retards, so much for that idea!" which is certainly an attractive theory... Then again, I'm told that Boris is a genuinely knowledgeable man, and he just puts on that befuddled buffoon act because he knows right-wing voters love that shit.
>>408196
Have to admit, I think it's a possibility. Scotland and Ireland didn't vote to Leave, and they don't want to get dragged into this shitshow. I hear Wales has a huge case of Bregret, so their Parliament will probably want to get shit done sharpish.
>>408200
Hmmm... like I said, Scotland and Ireland aren't chugging the Brexit-Aid, so if this is true then they might be able to kill Brexit without causing too much of a ruckus, like letting Parliament exercise their sovreignty might do. It certainly makes the recent bout of crawling from the leader of the Scottish Tories look doubly embarassing.
>>408204
>>408205
Well... shit. I remember Turkish cops used tear gas and shit on some peaceful protestors a year or so ago, so I guess this is hardly a novelty. I'm guessing this'll probably scupper their chances of joining the EU... then again, Turkey's got bigger things to worry about now.

If anything it's kind of amazing Erdy's lasted this long. He's bad for Turkey, Turkey's neighbors, and Turkey's allies.

>>408214
I'd still prefer a democratically elected head of state over a military leadership. For no other reason than because he was still democratically elected. But I concede little sympathy to his side beyond that.

>>408217
Erdogan is not... exactly a beacon of democracy. He's like a far less confident, Turkish version of Putin.

>>408181
Due to the colors, in thumbnail that image looked like that was a butt with some sort of symbol in the center. Then I zoomed in and saw that it wasn't a symbol, just a regular asshole.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZV2HK

Looks like that's that. Shame.

Wonder what his game plan is now, this is a great excuse to continue empowering himself.

Well, not that he needed the excuse.

Coup forces on the Bosporus Bridge surrendered

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/muslims-face-alarming-pattern-being-cast-un-american-n610436
In a new and shocking turn of events, Muslim Americans face discrimination


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-thaad-idUSKCN0ZV0ZG
Baffling South Korean protests over missile defense system

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/asia/turkey-military-action/

We're up to 754 arrests apparently.

I'm somewhat curious as to what the Righty Crew in the other thread are so obsessed with vis a vis Erdogan's fall. He's a nationalistic, tyrannical dictator, he should be right up their alley, and whoever might conceivably replace him is still going to be a Muslim so they'll still have to hate them.

>>408258
>I'm somewhat curious as to what the Righty Crew in the other thread are so obsessed with vis a vis Erdogan's fall. He's a nationalistic, tyrannical dictator, he should be right up their alley, and whoever might conceivably replace him is still going to be a Muslim so they'll still have to hate them.
>
Righties are always pleased when there's a chance someone might get brutalized.

>>408258
I'm still not quite sure why that thread exists, or why it hasn't been deleted yet. I know politics threads haven't been the most civil of places recently, but just having some hugbox for right-wingers isn't helping.

>>408263
At this point there might as well be two threads since all the previous politics threads have just devolved into shitflinging from both sides.

Yeah actually just separating both parties into their own threads seems to have worked out.

>>408278
For now. Nothing stopping either party from shitting up the others thread. I think the real reason the other thread is still up is because it isn't literally claiming to be a continuation of the politics threads. I know it's a politics thread, but it doesn't literally say that in it's titile so instead of a competing thread it could be seen as a +/pol/ supplement, with a bigger focus on news articles (as far as I can tell).

>>408267
>>408278
>>408279
Maybe, but it seems an antithesis of the pure democracy of chans to have separate threads for different ideologies... Not that I haven't told people posting the usual MUDSLIME PISSLAM shit on regular /co/ to go back to regular /pol/, but that's because /pol/ was literally created for that kind of posting.

>>408280
>Maybe, but it seems an antithesis of the pure democracy of chans to have separate threads for different ideologies
I would argue that it's perfectly in line with that. On an image board, you create threads as you please. Mandating everyone be trapped in a thread together is the opposite of that.

>>408281

Do you really want /baw/ overrun with the kind of threads that /pol/-kun and his ilk would make, though?

>>408282
Having one thread for each group isn't being overrun. If people start spamming new threads by all means delete away, but right now it isn't hurting anyone.

I have to admit, it is nice not being called an ingrate for not swallowing the bullshit of near-sighted xenophobic sociopaths and David sodding Icke.

Yeah, I was one of the reasons why the last thread went to shit. Sorry about that. I'm just sick of being told that I'm not allowed to complain about my country turning to shit.

Anyway, here's an article:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jul/15/frank-cottrell-boyce-proms-lecture-what-point-culture-in-brexit-britain?CMP=share_btn_tw

And of course, the most popular comments are the ones telling him to shut up, as well as a bunch of snide remarks about how he doesn't represent the "real" Britain.

>>408284
Well, Brexitards will be Brexitards. Interestingly, according to a ResCom poll only 34% voted because they believed the bullshit about migrants - it was more people believing the bullshit about "taking back control".

Things aren't great right now, but there is the possibility that they'll get better... if Brexit gets shelved/defeated in the House of Commons/not ratified by the rest of the UK.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/updated-a-map-of-all-the-countries-boris-johnson-has-offended--W1zaTLC63rW

>>408200
David Davis (the Brexit Secretary, not the footballer) has said that the rest of the UK don't get a say, which I imagine won't go down well in some quarters. I suspect he'll have to retract that little gaffe before the week is out, but I can't say for certain.

That's the thing about this farce; everything's been thrown up in the air, and nothing can be predicted now, except that it's pretty likely that our economy will go downhill, and racist douchebags that insist that everyone else's rights end where their feelings begin.

>>408294
That's just him pandering to the right-wing tabloids, who love overexaggerating the immigration problem.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html

>>408306
>>408304
Do not reply to the Righty thread, leave them to their circlejerk

>>408309
No seriously, don't feed them.

>>408308
>>408310

If you take issue with it, stop me. If you can't stop me, stop bitching.

>>408311
Oh this is your new way of bumping your clubhouse after we all left, that's neat.

>>408308
And how is this thread any better?

>>408315
We have actual exchanges instead of just spamming /pol/ reposts?

Like, look at the drivel they're posting right now. That's why the threads are separate now, because they just run that 24/7.

>>408321
Stop engaging.

>>408322

Stop me or stop bitching.

>>408323
Okay so are you just admitting that you're false opposition then

>>408331
So are you understanding why you don't post in the righty thread yet?

>>408333
They aren't actually opposition, just a right winger attempting to swing the balanced schism back in their favor.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/19/government-awaits-first-legal-opposition-to-brexit-in-high-court

Damn, I didn't realise there were seven lawsuits. Of course, the fact that there would've been even more if Brexitards stopped threatening people exercising their democratic right comes as no surprise.

Oh, and Angela Eagle's stepped down from the Labour leadership farce, mainly on account of everyone making fun of her.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/twitter-just-permanently-suspended-conservative-writer-milo

GOOD.

Only downside to this is that all the GG shits are gonna whine more than ever before.

Erdogan has made it illegal for Turkish academics to travel outside the country until he's decided they were uninvolved with the coup.

British academics are being stripped of their grants by the EU, the Royal society is begging the government not to go through with this.

>>408374
Stop replying to them. They're not going to ever have a straight on argument with you because they know their shit doesn't reflect reality.

http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/ukip_councillor_time_to_start_killing_remain_voters_1_4624342?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

Yyyyyep.
>>408375
The only way the UK government's going to do the right thing is if they're made to - May's surrounded herself with Brexitards to keep the right-wing papers happy, and the instant anybody says "Hey, maybe this is a stupid idea, could we let Parliament exercise their constitutional right" we get "DEMOCRACY WON WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD STOP COMPLAINING", because fuck free speech and fuck actual democracy.

If these legal challenges don't work, I am torn between emigration or suicide. I wish I was kidding. Don't worry, I'm going to book an appointment with a therapist tomorrow.

>>408392
Man this is the weirdest election since the 70s, over the most tumultuous political divisions since the 60s.

>>408392
Clinton news network with more retweets than likes. Gotta put those twitter bots to work!

>>408394
back to your thread /pol/-kun

>>408392

>But by upsetting the Republican Party of 2016, Cruz is positioning himself to be the man who saves the party after the year is over. He’s making a bet: that Donald Trump will fail catastrophically in November and the Republican Party’s next leader will be someone who wasn’t implicated in the catastrophe. Ted Cruz wants to be that someone.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/20/12245028/why-ted-cruz-endorse-trump-rnc-2016

I don't know if Cruz will be seen as the GOP's savior in 2017, but the GOP have made it clear they do not have complete faith in Trump beating Hilary. This entire message from this year's GOP has been Hilary Clinton bashing, because there's nothing anyone can say that can make Trump look presidential.

>>408396

And I've seen people who would otherwise vote Democrat say the only real "vote for Hillary" message they've been hearing from Hillary supporters is "she's not Trump". Weird fuckin' year in politics, right? (God please don't let Trump win we will enter World War V if he's elected.)

>>408396
Cruz was a Canadian poser that was as just as much a glad handing snake as Clinton. Trump knew what he was going to do and gave him enough to enable his own political collapse at the convention.

Cruz is done for.

As for who's going to win. I've seen ads form Clinton that are hilarious

"Trump swears a lot, do you want your children watching him as President?"

Reason she still doesn't have a Veep pick is she's still focus grouping which would be the optimal choice. Warren another do nothing senator. Or that Castro fella who doesn't speak a lick of Spanish and will need to "Brush Up."

The Resurrection of Colbert isn't going to save anything. Much less his career or his ratings.

>>408402

We get it, you want to suck the walking toupee's dick.

aaaaand Turkey has suspended the European Convention on Human Rights, FUN

>>408404
I haven't looked at anything but your pic related, but that in itself is sad.

I mean, if you are quoting half a sentence, at least pretend its the whole quote. This looks openly misleading.

>>408413
>This looks openly misleading.
It accurately represents his feelings on the matter.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-22/brexit-vote-wreaks-havoc-on-u-k-economy-flash-estimates-show

BOY, THAT BREXIT SURE IS GOOD FOR THE UK ECONOMY! IT'S NOT LIKE ANY NEWSPAPERS STILL PRETENDING THAT THIS ISN'T A SHITSHOW DON'T HAVE LINKS TO BREXIT POLITICIANS OR EVEN UKIP ITSELF

>>408414
“For a man to be successful he needs support at home, just like my father had from my mother. Not someone who is always griping and bitching. When a man has to endure a woman who is not supportive and complains constantly about his not being home enough or not being attentive enough, he will not be very successful unless he is able to cut the cord.”

>>408428
Post-Brexit rebound sees FTSE setting biggest weekly rise since 2011
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-stocks-idUKKCN0ZF21N
FTSE 100 erases post-Brexit losses as buying bonanza fuels rebound
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/ftse-set-to-open-higher-as-post-brexit-rally-gains-momentum/

>>408429
You have your own thread to shit up, go enjoy it.

>>408430
Fuck off with your dumb echochamber bullshit. Instead of 1 pol thread filled with shit flinging we have 2. Complaining about it now wont change anything. All you are doing is making the lefty pol thread look like pansys that can't handle the same shit these threads have neen making this whole tome. And were are the moderates supposed to post to go? Get bent.

>>408431
>All you are doing is making the lefty pol thread look like pansys
As a right winger, this should surely please you

Shit's going down in Munich

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36870874
>>408429
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy-pmi-idUKKCN1020T2
>The Markit PMIs, which give an early indication of how gross domestic product is likely to perform, suggest the 1.8 trillion pound UK economy is shrinking faster than at any time since the aftermath of the global financial crisis. It showed the services sector - one of the few British growth drivers - has been hit especially hard by Brexit, with orders plunging and confidence crumbling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273
>"The only other times we have seen this index fall to these low levels, was the global financial crisis in 2008/9, the bursting of the dot com bubble, and the 1998 Asian financial crisis," Mr Williamson told the BBC.

>"The difference this time is that it is entirely home-grown, which suggest the impact could be greater on the UK economy than before. "This is exactly what most economists were saying would happen."

>A subset of the PMI figures, shows that service companies, such as insurance or advertising, are feeling less positive about the future than at any time since the height of the recession.

>>408432
I'll let you belive that.
Why would your 'opposition' complain about you belittling yourself?

>>408434
*raises hand*

I'm one of the "opposition" thread people, and this poster >>408432 has never shown a single ounce of basic cognition or even information about the world around them, to the point where they don't even pass the Turing test. Therefore I don't think it's possible for him/her to belittle themselves.

Posters like this don't reflect badly on the rest of you commies, I know you guys can handle banter, and I'm sure you've come across some trailer trash mouthbreather that does the same. Looking forward to meeting on the battlefield of history for the privilege of purging turds like this >>408430 spineless cuck.

>>408434
>>408442
Yes /pol/-kun, we know you are upset that everyone stopped paying attention to you after the split, and that upsets you (as does having the spotlight taken from your nice, inflammatory op), but it really doesn't change the fact that you were ditched for a reason. This desperate attempt to cross the streams again is really quite sad.

>>408446
Oooh a failed movie reference.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslims-are-the-victims-of-between-82-and-97-of-terrorism-related-fatalities-us-government/5516565

>>408455
And Muslims are also the perpetrators of 99.7% of terrorism related fatalities. It's almost like there's a problem within their community.

>>408458
>german nationalist
>ali sonboly
>german nationalist
>iranian immigrant
>german nationalist
Fucking LOL!

>it's always a dude
>it's not all muslims, a faith they can choose
>but its all guys, something theyre born with
>oceania was always at war with eurasia

>>408459
>implying more than 0.006% of Muslims worldwide are responsible for terrorism
>implying that there haven't been almost twice as many white terrorists in the USA since 9/11
>implying that the asshole didn't shout out "I am a German" as he was killing people
>implying it's not always a dude
http://time.com/114128/elliott-rodgers-ucsb-santa-barbara-shooter/

And if you're the guy who made fun of the other Anon for making a Ghostbusters reference, then you should expect to get shit for making a fucking 1984 reference.

>>408459
>but its all guys, something theyre born with
Yeah pretty much. The female perpetrators of such amount to a rounding error.

>>408468
>#notallmuslims
>#yesallmen
Yep, and yep.

>>408469
>#yesallmen
Off the top of my head, I recall (Egypt?) two Muslim women detonated suicide vests with nails in them after shooting at tourists with assault rifles.

>>408470
And I'm sure you were so thrilled.

>>408463
Look at this loon thinking the Ghostbusters refake is on the same literary level as 1984!

>implying more than 0.006% of Muslims worldwide are responsible for terrorism
And yet they account for 99.7% of the terrorism, so what percentage of MEN in the world do terrorism? You're basically using the same number of terrorists just dividing by 3.5 billion instead of 1.5 billion. Fucking moron.

>implying that there haven't been almost twice as many white terrorists in the USA since 9/11
Fucking WHAT?
Non-Islamic terrorists since 9/11: 24 and 53 dead, from 99.2% of the population.
Islamic terrorists since 9/11: 25 and 120 dead, from 0.8% of the population.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html

>implying that the asshole didn't shout out "I am a German" as he was killing people
But he wasn't German, he was Iranian. If he said "I'm a hat" would you.... actually you probably would, it's probably a tumblr gender, never mind.

>implying it's not always a dude
A decent percentage of the time it's a woman with a suicide vest or a husband-wife team. Even if the wife didn't directly participate, they often helped prepare them by casing the joint and The only reason men are used more often is because after polygamy matchmaking, there's an extra bit of men left over that can either be permavirgin, rapists, goat fuckers, or an exploding candygram.

>>408472
>But he wasn't German, he was Iranian.
He was born and raised in Munich.

>>408472

>refake

The fuck does this even mean?

>>408487
They're mad about the women. But also strangely decided to make the remake connection themselves even though all that was ever mentioned was the basic stream crossing bit.

It's kind of hilarious that the right is currently trying to make "Hillary is backed by the DNC" into a scandal when their pet warthog is backed by Vladimir Putin.

>>408488
Yeah you're right, sorry, the 80s ghostbusters is way more memorable than this new piece of trash. Should have assumed you were talking about the original.

>>408495
You have an unhealthy fixation m8.

>>408499
Yes, you are a racist, we've covered this.

>>408500
Yes, you want to genocide gypsies, I think that's clear.

I love that, in attempting to use them as your shield, you still call them "gypsies."

>>408499
This is the most retarded tactic you've taken yet.

News, not politics, but it's not like you guys talk about politics most of the time anyway.

Chris-Chan got a taint piercing a while ago, but his shit hygiene resulted in an open wound that didn't heal. He believes this is a vagina that resulted from watching hypno videos. There are pictures, unfortunately.

Wiki article with no visible pictures (hidden gallery at the bottom with warnings):
http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Un-clit_2.0

Chrischan isn't news, politics, or anything, fuck off.

>>408502
That's what they call themselves, what the fuck?

>>408513
Holy shit you're an idiot

>>408514
Because it's not all of Sanders supporters that are pissed that the party conspired against their candidate. Gonna be a fun convention with Sanders 1000 odd Delegates getting vocal.

Goddamn, it's actually pretty hard NOT to think of her as crooked when she very clearly is.

>>408523
She is a politician, not a populist oaf, so it's understandable that your sort wouldn't like her.

>>408524
>She is a politician
She certainly is.

>>408526
And thus, the only qualified candidate.

>>408528
Highly qualified when it comes to corruption, embezzlement, cronyism, theft...

>>408529
No no we're not talking about Trump right now, you've gotten confused again.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy

>>408534
>he has worked for three Republican presidential hopefuls — Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio
3x failure lol

>>408535
Woosh

>>408540
That's not actually a counterpoint, you realize. In fact it isn't engaging the points of the article at all.

It's also not true but debate form today, honesty tomorrow, one lesson at a time.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Trump is a mysterious creature

>>408557
I mean, if you're still on the Trump train at this point you're probably not getting off, but outright asking a hostile foreign power to hack a prominent domestic political figure is pretty incredible even by his standards.

Irregularities in the Democratic primary contributed to "an estimate of 184 pledged delegates lost by Senator Bernie Sanders" — he was 180 short of a majority.
https://twitter.com/1Kive/status/758301897023328256

>>408560
Since when is Russia a hostile foreign power? Islamic terrorists are the only hostile foreign power attacking america, and your pet politician is the one wanting to aid them.

Trump isn't a perfect solution, in fact he's a shit solution, but the Democratic party has destroyed the only superior alternative.

>>408560
Incredible yes but ultimately meaningless. As much as the Right hates Russia, they hate gays, transexuals, racial and religious minorities, and Democrats both social and not even more. They'll vote for their clown man and it's our responsibility to shut them out and vote against him.

>>408562
>they hate
No they don't.

>>408562
Well yeah, we've officially folded up the primaries, so it's time for everyone to go to their corners, form the coalitions, and really fucking lay into each other until November. Then, for better or worse, we'll be free of this nonsense for awhile.

>>408563
>No they don't.
How else do you explain the fact that the conservative base has overwhelmingly gone behind a candidate who is less conservative, but far more in favor of white nationalism, than pretty much anyone else who ran against him in the primaries?

>>408566
Don't reply to them, that's what they want ~

>>408566
He was the only candidate talking about conservative values, reducing the size/scope of government, reducing taxation, taking care of the economy etc... Every other candidate wanted to expand taxation, export businesses, attack countries overseas, and expand government power.

>white nationalism
Fucking what?

>>408566
They will never admit it no matter how many times you engage them so just ignore them and talk about actual news.

Speaking of which, they've identified a new ALS contribution gene!

This is a political video
//youtube.com/watch?v=R3xGMfUD4qw

>>408569
>Speaking of which, they've identified a new ALS contribution gene!
Good to know that bucket idiocy actually helped I guess.

>>408582
>B-b-but he's destroying the party!
But he is?

>>408585
I don't agree with everything he says, but tens of thousands have joined Labour in the past month, and that was after the vote of no confidence.

I dunno, it's just kind of refereshing to have a British politician who doesn't run away as soon as the going gets tough.

>>408586
>after the vote of no confidence
Which if he really held to principles, he would have obeyed, it's the least he could do after actively sabotaging Remain because he wants Britain to return to the fucking 70's

It's entirely because of his leadership that, when the Conservatives fucked up so royally they tanked the pound and had to surrender a Minister, that Labour's response was to implode completely

>>408588
>actively sabotaging Remain
do you have a single fact to back that up.

>>408589
Don't do this playing dumb thing , that's /pol/-kun shit. His office has been leaking information and employees for a month, his position is a matter of public record.

>>408590

Not to mention that besides the documents and emails of the current conflict, Corbyn was an opponent of joining in the first place. He's NEVER been trustworthy and that he achieved leadership at all was a disaster.

>>408591
>>408590
Well who do you favor for labor leader?

>>408594

>>408591
Here, Smith of course.

>>408595
You just like him because he looks like John Oliver.

>>408595
You mean the guy copying all of Corbyn's policies whilst calling Corbyn a "dangerous radical" at the same time?

Unlike Corbyn, Smith can actually keep his mouth shut on occasion and act like a practical politician, something Corbyn has never learned and will never learn how to do.

>>408605
Is that honestly the only criticism you can level at corbyn? At least we know he has a spine and can stand up to a bunch of bitchy douchebags trying to destroy his party. Does Smith have a spine? I think not.

>>408606
>Is that honestly the only criticism you can level at corbyn?
Inability to fight the conservatives and keep the party unified is a pretty good criticism to have of the labor leader imo

>>408562
Does your analysis still stand considering the Clinton Foundation received millions in funding from Russia?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/hillarys-with-usif-youre-in-the-russia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36931851

Shit's going down in Armenia

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-china-idUSKCN10A04F

China holds Japanese man for endangering national security-media, just ignore the anti-Hillary troll.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/brazil-president-lula-charged-corruption-probe-160729202506607.html

Brazil stuff going down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36936658

This is really nice.

How about we make this thread for world news and other thread for US politics?

>>408653
Because one left/center thread and one right thread has minimalized the horseshit and returning to that full time is in the interest of nobody save the trolls.

>>408654
>save the trolls
you mean "people who disagree with me"?

Despite the thread's nature, there are next-to-no trolls in any +4 threads. /pco/ has more trolls than these threads.

>>408659
>you mean "people who disagree with me"?

Always the refrain of trolls. "Just because I said that jews and black people should be killed and their bodies used to make diamonds for rich people to wear doesn't mean I'm a troll! You just can't handle disagreement!"

>>408660
Don't even respond to him man, he just wants the attention.

>"Just because I said that jews and black people should be killed and their bodies used to make diamonds for rich people to wear doesn't mean I'm a troll! You just can't handle disagreement!"
If you can't greentext someone who actually said this, you're a giant gaping asshole of a troll.

> “He’s not going into Ukraine, O.K., just so you understand,” Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee, said when the issue came up. “He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.”

>“Well, he’s already there, isn’t he?” Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted.

>“O.K., well, he’s there in a certain way,” Mr. Trump replied. “But I’m not there. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama with all the strength that you’re talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this. In the meantime, he’s going away. He take — takes Crimea.”
A wild Trump, here seen attempting to imitate Man Speech

>>408670
>claim
>image does not support claim
I don't support the lying bitch, but you are also a lying bitch.

>>408671
Hillary funded ISIS through a shell company doesn't have the right ring to it.

Obama: "The obvious."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-continuing-fallout-from-khan-controversy-a-gop-congressman-declares-his-support-for-clinton/2016/08/02/a756b792-58b3-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36940775

A member of The House of Lords have said the House would probably do everything they can to block Brexit, or at least delay it. Queue thousands of Brexitards calling part of their constitutional democracy "undemocratic" and not realising that "I want" gets nothing...

>>408675
Good riddance, Khan is using his dead son for political capital.
//youtube.com/watch?v=045OFNJJY1Y

Also I love how Trump saying Khan is wrong is somehow "disrespecting a dead hero" but Hillary Clinton literally putting weapons in the hands of the people who killed that dead hero is totally ok.

>>408676
an admirable sentiment on their part but the Lords can't actually do that

of course the Commons aren't going to make it necessary for them to but still, it's always better if the Lords as a body just don't say anything

The Right unraveling as they try to keep Trump propped up is apparently only going to get more and more hilarious as we near the end of this madness https://twitter.com/ToddDracula/status/759765030539784193

>>408681

I mean, hey, it’s not as if Trump disrespected actual dead/wounded American soldiers by joking about how he always wanted a Purple Heart Medal.

…oh.

So, a trump spokeswoman just got up on national television and stated that khan wouldn't have died if not for the changes to the rules of engagement instituted by president obama

Humayen khan: 1976-2004

>>408686
I mean, hey, it's not as if Hillary didn't create situations where American soldiers BECAME dead/wounded.

>>408689
As Commander in Chief of the military, it goes without saying that sometimes a course chosen by the President is going to result in deaths that would not have happen if they had chosen a different course. Part of the question one should be asking themselves when choosing a President is whether or not the person they're electing can be trusted to make those deaths meaningful when they must happen.

People are going to die because of orders President Hillary gives, or people are going to die because of orders President Trump gives. Both are too hawkish for my tastes, and I suspect more people will die because of both their actions than would die if we had a ficus for our President. That being said, I at least expect the people who die because of Hillary's decisions will be serving a useful purpose--whereas I think Trump will gladly sacrifice our troops just because a foreign leader said his penis was small.

>>408690
And part of the job of the commander in chief is not to give aid and comfort to the enemy, not to fund the enemy, not to arm the enemy...

>I at least expect the people who die because of Hillary's decisions will be serving a useful purpose
Sure, the useful purpose of lining her pocket.

>>408691
>Sure, the useful purpose of lining her pocket.

I take it you believe Trump's wars will be altruistic in nature?

>>408689

Hillary alone didn’t cause the Iraq War to happen, nor did she alone cause the US military to become involved in Afghanistan and Syria and whatnot. Does she have a “warhawk” streak? Sure. But let’s not act as if it was her vote, her decisions, that were the sole cause of the military actions she approved of the government carrying out.

And if you want to jump all over Hillary’s vote in favor of the Iraq War, I hope I don’t have to remind you that plenty of people on both sides of the aisle voted for the war based on the lies of The Cheney Administration (feat. President George W. Bush). That doesn’t excuse her vote, but it doesn’t make her vote the sole factor for the Iraq War.

Hillary Clinton has already proven that she'll compromise her vaguely left-of-center political stances and lean more towards the left—that she’ll listen to “actual progressives” if they’re loud enough and make good points. She might reconsider taking exhaustive military action in the Middle East (and elsewhere) if it could destroy her approval ratings or prevent her from getting any of her policies passed through Congress. (Moreso if Democrats get more places in Congress this time around. Downticket voting is important, people!) I'll take a President willing to step away from her own political beliefs and work towards a compromise than one who will just do whatever the hell comes to mind without considering the short- and long-term effects/the narrow- and wide-scope ramifications of those decisions.

She isn't a perfect candidate, but no one ever is. And right now, Hillary Clinton is only the POTUS candidate with an actual chance of winning who I would consider qualified to sit in the Oval Office come 2017. I don’t expect that opinion to change between now and November.

>>408696

>The only thing she's qualified at is creating catastrophes.

At least she doesn’t want to drop nukes as soon as she gets into office.

>>408698
Just drone bombs, which is better than nukes in the same way that the Herp is better than AIDS.

>>408699

Given the choice we have to make at the ballot come November, I’ll take drones over nukes. I don’t have to agree with everything Hillary says, does, thinks, and believes in order to vote for her.

>>408699
That's actually not a bad comparison at all--Herpes is not a particularly concerning illness (some itching and occasional sores, and most people who have it never even show symptoms), and AIDS is a life-threatening autoimmune disorder. Nukes leave fallout that lasts for generations and causes geiger counters on the other side of the planet to go off and do more to harm civilians than military targets, while drone bombs--for all they're not pleasant from a pacifistic point of view--are surgical strikes against small targets that have comparatively little collateral damage.

>>408701

Assuming the drone strikes actually hit the targets instead of civilians misidentified as targets. If anything, drone strikes should receive heightened consideration in terms of whether we use them—not “nuclear holocaust” levels of consideration, but greater consideration that “drop the bomb there and fly it back in”.

Clinton would be more likely to grant that consideration.

>>408700
Which is fair, but surely you can understand why, when faced with "give everyone in America herpes" or "give everyone in America AIDS," some people decide they don't really want to pull that lever in either direction.

>>408703

Yes, but those are the choices, and abstaining is basically the same as going along with whatever choice wins. (I know there are “other choices”, but those choices stand no real chance of winning.) I’d rather vote for the politician who can potentially be swayed into avoiding exhaustive military action than the businessman who thinks he can drop a nuke without changing the entire world.

And yes, dropping a nuke will have more effects than the destruction and immediate nuclear fallout of the bomb itself. The threat of a global thermonuclear war—of mutually-assured nuclear annihilation—is what keeps countries with nukes from using them. The nuclear deterrent works precisely because we don’t use the nukes. If this country drops another one, we will change the geopolitical landscape for good, and a President not willing to consider all the ramifications of Pressing The Button is a President who doesn’t deserve to hold the office.

>>408698
>At least she doesn’t want to drop nukes as soon as she gets into office.
Yes she does, Hillary wants to nuke people more than Trump, are you reading any part of my posts?

Fucking Trump is the anti war candidate compared to Hillary.

Realtalk, as much as Hillary is the sane option, engaging poke and his right wing friends on nuclear politics of all things is utter nonsense because even the only person theoretically dumb enough to launch a nuke, Trump, still isn't going to. Nukes are not military weapons, they're political ones. Even at the craziest highs of the Cold War neither government ever really intended to use them. Hell, fucking North Korea isn't going to use them.

If you're going to stupidly encourage the Right to post here at least only engage their arguments with at minimum VAGUE connections to reality.

>>408706
Translation:
>lets stop talking about nukes now that ive realized hilary is by far the more likely option to start a thermonuclear war with russia

>>408707
There isn't going to be a thermonuclear war with anyone regardless of who is elected. It's literally not an issue on the table.

>>408706

There were several times strategic nuclear use has been contemplated; when the French were losing at Dien Ben Phu, the U.S. contemplated using nukes to bail them out (Operation Vulture). The risk, of course, is a strategic use escalating into strategic.near-misses during the Cold War; a simple googling yields several (including a 1979 NORAD computer glitch). We (the U.S.) even had one of our bombs fall on own selves (North Carolina, 1961). Only (imho) the sheer power of providence has prevented nuclear weapons being used.

Seeing that our options now are neoliberal imperialist or populist fascist, odds are better than they've been in decades we'll see WWIII.

>>408708
>RAPE SPEECH!
>HES RAPING ME WITH HIS ARGUMENTS!

Republican Party asks Trump to stop flailing his arms around randomly and actually conduct a campaign even as he starts hemorrhaging actual supporters
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-pushes-republican-party-its-breaking-point-n622576

The Supreme Court flounders on human rights, still in need of Obama's constitutionally given right to appoint justices
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/supreme-court-transgender-bathroom/

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54615#.V6Ky57grKUk
Trump thrilled as his BFF murders more Ukranians

>>408711
Hillary Clinton already broke the Democratic party.

The Supreme Court doesn't make laws.

Hillarys BFFs currently slaughtering hundreds of thousands in the middle east.

The funny thing is that, while Trump and his followers crow about the idea of dropping nukes on terrorists, nukes are actually pretty much obsolete at this point. They are not as good at destroying things or inciting terror in the enemy as a MOAB or similar conventional weaponry, and they are much more likely to have negative effects on everyone, including disinterested third parties and the people who use them.

The only purpose nuclear weapons serve at this point is as points in an international dick-measuring contest.

>>408713
>shifting goalpost
We're crowing about the idea of dropping nukes on Russia, not terrorists. Because Russia can nuke us back, and annihilate human civilization.

>>408718
Good thing nobody wants to do that then.

>>408720
Nope.

Corbyn's unrepentant attitude is really making the Loonies sound appealing

>>408723
Probably because he has nothing to repent for.

>>408724
His sabotage, his failure , his division of the party...

I might as well just vote for the Loonies, or even the LDs, it's not like Labor is ever losing Manchester.

>>408725
That's funny. You know what excuse Stalin used when something failed?
Sabotage. Sabotage by intellectuals, sabotage by counterrevolutionaries.

It's just funny seeing that specific excuse alive.

>>408728
It's you Corbyn worshipers going around accusing everyone of being Blairites and "rebelling"

Even news network chyron is fucking done with 2016.

>>408736

>that image

1983 was a long while back, and people’s opinions and stances can change over time. Also, I’m not seeing where he said “American law must kowtow to the Shariah”. Also,
>parenthelies

>>408740
Second line of that quote. And you saw it, otherwise you wouldn't spend the first sentence trying to excuse it. Scumbag.

>>408744
>Second line of that quote.
The one referring to Islamic jurisprudence schools, as opposed to strictly secular law?

>>408745
"All other judicial works must always be subordinated to Sharia"

The constitution is "all other judicial works".

Just thought of something.

Let’s say he does believe the Sharia should be held above all secular law. So what? How does holding that belief, on its own, hurt anyone or do anything to put Sharia law above secular law? If he holds that “Sharia is the one true law” belief, what the hell has he ever done to further it? What actions has he taken to place Sharia law above American law and “undermine” the Constitution?

Having a political or religious opinion that could be deemed “radical” is not, on its own, an overt act of terrorism or “an attempt to destroy America” or whatever you want to call it. I mean, shit, there are Objectivists in this country, and I don’t see calls for them to get kicked out and barred from re-entering.

>>408748

>Khan started a journal called Contemporary Issues in Muslim Law in which he continuously defends Islamic law (sharia).

I didn’t realize that was against the law for him to do.

>Let's just say that hypothetically Trump is really Mechanazi, a cybernetically immortal corpse of Adolf Hitler, who believes minorities are subhuman. How does holding that belief, on its own, hurt anyone?

It doesn’t. Him acting on those beliefs—whether than means trying to push them into law or using them as post-hoc justification for acts of violence against ethnic minorities—would be harmful to others.

>You guys haven't even proven Trump is racist yet

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4r2yxs/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/ — It’s a bit of a Gish Gallop, yes, but it’s still a hell of a resource.

>you balk at applying the same WITH EVIDENCE to Khan

Khan started a law journal. He didn’t run for Congress or governor so he could put Sharia law on the books, nor has he ever committed an overt act of terroristic violence to influence lawmakers into putting Sharia law on the books. Whatever you think of his opinions, they’re his opinions, not an overt act in and of themselves—and he’s free to hold those opinions, regardless of whether you agree with them.

>By the way I bet hit hurts Khans wife every time he beats her with a stick no thicker than his thumb.

Feel free to offer the incontrovertible proof that he beats his wife. Got an arrest record or post-beating photos to share?

>>408747
>is not, on its own, an overt act of terrorism
Seven 9/11 hijackers had recent Virginia passports, and ISIL still get captured with Virginia passports in fucking Kurdistan. Khan bases his legal practice in Virginia, a practice concerned exclusively with gaming US immigration system to get unqualified people American passports.

By the way he's not a lawyer, he's not a member of the bar, he's just a legal consultant. His legal credentials lie purely with Sharia law.

>>408752

>Khan bases his legal practice in Virginia, a practice concerned exclusively with gaming US immigration system to get unqualified people American passports.

What proof do you have that Khan supplies terrorists with passports? If you’re gonna pull the “terrorists have passports from where he works” line out and imply that he’s helping terrorists, surely you have some sort of evidence to back up the implication.

>he's not a lawyer, he's not a member of the bar, he's just a legal consultant.

So?

>His legal credentials lie purely with Sharia law.

Last I checked, he’s not trying to replace American law with Sharia law. If you have proof to the contrary, I’d love to see it.

>>408753
>What proof do you have that Khan supplies terrorists with passports? If you’re gonna pull the “terrorists have passports from where he works” line out and imply that he’s helping terrorists, surely you have some sort of evidence to back up the implication.
Well you see, the browns

>>408766

Let’s see what was said in >>408752 again: Seven 9/11 hijackers had recent Virginia passports, and ISIL still get captured with Virginia passports in fucking Kurdistan. Khan bases his legal practice in Virginia, a practice concerned exclusively with gaming US immigration system to get unqualified people American passports.

You didn’t have to say it; you implied it with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. So if you have any evidence to back up your implication that Khan is a knowing, witting accomplice to terrorists—that Khan himself is a terrorist—you might want to share it with us. If you don’t, maybe stop implying that he’s a terrorist (or a willing accomplice to known terrorists)…and maybe stop using other people calling out your implication as some form of a rhetorical trap, too.

>>408767
You yourself came to this conclusion given that information, meaning the information provided was enough evidence for you to make the conclusion. Whether a jury would is up to them... but you did.

>>408769

I didn’t come to any “conclusion”. I pointed out the implication of those statements. You haven’t shown me any evidence that backs up those implications and gives me a reason to “conclude” that Khan is either a terrorist or an accomplice to terrorists. My conclusion of those statements is this: You implied a link between Khan and terrorists, counted on my emotions getting so riled up by the mentions of 9/11 and ISIS that I would get on your side and think Khan is a terrorist, and resorted to rhetorical trickery (“you said it, I didn’t”; “you came to this conclusion”) when I didn’t immediately side with you.

I think Khan is not a terrorist and that he has not explictly helped terrorists. I say “think” because I’m more than willing to admit my opinion is wrong—if you can show me incontrovertible evidence from credible sources that proves otherwise. If you can’t, you’d do well to stop saying “Freehaven thinks Khan is a terrorist”. (Corollary to that last sentence: You’d do well to not repeat that bit I put in quotes as if it’s my actual belief/conclusion/opinion. Quote mining doesn’t win arguments.)

>>408771

He's gotten in trouble for deleting "troll" posts in /pol/ threads before. That's why I stopped even posting news here. These threads aren't about talking about the news with other people with different opinions, they are just cesspits for the lowest of the low on either side to throw shit at each other undisturbed. I don't know how anyone could find it an entertaining way to spend their time.