LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!
So this is how the EU dies: with resounding confusion about the fact that votes actually matter.
These votes literally don't by law.
The EU is acting as if they do. They want Britain to gtfo.
Also, even if this vote is not binding, if it triggers a Scottish and/or Northern Irish succession, then the makeup of parliament will be drastically altered.
Scotland already did this whole thing, remember?
Yes, but that was before the UK voted to leave the EU. With the Leave (the EU) win, a lot of Scottish voters who voted to stay (in the UK) will vote differently a second time around.
I mean never mind the whole General Election route, if Parliament wants it can give the insipid magpies that make up the majority leave voting bloc a week of the rock bottom economy and just schedule a new referendum to override this one.
>insipid magpies that make up the majority
You mean the lower class uppity peasants.
Let's face it though, the butthurt is too hilarious.
>sat down in the middle of a cricket pitch
This is satire, right?
I find the delusion more hilarious, like Brexit supporters saying the pound will be back and rising "come monday" and insisting that the Pound was fine because they had "just checked out the prices on Amazon.uk"
I mean the morons who don't actually know anything about politics and simply assume that every time the currency wavers or they see a brown person, it's time to change governments.
Letting the public decide on international policy was a farce: the public doesn't know anything about international politics.
>Letting the public decide on international policy was a farce: the public doesn't know anything about international politics.
Which is why dictatorship is the only option.
I see your point.
Now excuse me why I ponder the existence of people like you.
>Which is why dictatorship is the only option.
No you eternally disingenuous shitass, it's why we live in republics and constitutional monarchies that are effectively republics instead of democracies: the mob is incapable of running anything because the mob acts entirely on reflex and short term goals.
These past 24 hour have been glorious.
Long live the republic.
>Long live the republic.
YOU DON'T LIVE IN A REPUBLIC YOU WORTHLESS, IGNORANT PIECE OF TRASH
YES, IT'S A REFERENCE TO YOUR STUPID OP, WE KNOW, IT WAS A STUPID JOKE THEN AND IS A STUPID JOKE NOW
YOU HAVEN'T FUCKING LIBERATED ANYTHING, YOU'VE COLLAPSED THE ECONOMY AT THE BEHEST OF FUCKING FARAGE
>like Brexit supporters saying the pound will be back and rising "come monday"
A) It bounced back to where it would have been if nothing happened, and is now stable.
B) A lowered currency value is actually beneficial to domestic businesses. Why do you think China artificially devalues their own currency?
Actually I'm OP and your butthurt is delicious.
Lowered currency is great if you're an exporter. And hey, as the next prime minister of Britain says, England exports cake! Everyone loves british cake. Let them eat cake.
(also love that use of the word "stuff," really shows he knows words, and has the best words)
The reality of the situation though is that England imports more than it exports, and so a weaker pound sterling is actually terrible for it economically.
But hey, economics is apparently not complex or so I was told in the last thread, so what do I know?
>The reality of the situation though is that England imports more than it exports, and so a weaker pound sterling is actually terrible for it economically.
Not to mention the fact that Japan has had to close off trade with Britain because the Yen is too strong and hurting their economy, and trading with a partner whose currency sucks that bad is only going to make it stronger. So Britain's been cut off by one of the most important electronics and innovation countries in the world because of this bullshit.
>It bounced back to where it would have been if nothing happened, and is now stable.
This is a straight up lie and I'm not sure why you think anyone will believe this? Then again you're the same person who tried to argue that fascism isn't right wing so I dunno what I expected.
>This is a straight up lie
No it's a straight up line. You missed a letter.
Best post I've seen in +/pol/
Again, jerking yourself off is unbecoming.
>Be an "evil megacorp"
>see polls put "Remain" as the surefire result of the referendum
>Invest heavily into the pound sterling
>sel it all at a loss when referendum swings the other way outside of all prediction models
It makes so much sense now, of course! Darn those evil megacorps, they got us again!
we can jerk each other all we want, thank you very much.
If you say something original and thoughtful, I'll jerk you too. Full homo.
>If you say something original and thoughtful
But you exclusively praise /pol/ reposts!
This thread, and the end of the one before, have been some of the best +/pol/ has ever been in a long goddamn time.
At the low, low price of the United Kingdom.
Oi oi oi oi! Who the hell do you think we are!?
Even if all the stars in the EU flag gang up and become our enemy, the spirit of Britannia will never die!
Shut the fuck up you piece of trash, you know full well that I am talking about Scotland and Ireland.
>using Gurren Lagann
>not Code Geass
I cry foul.
You've never seen the Union Flagann before?
When you break up the union, the union jack ceases to apply, so have fucking fun with Sturgeon you shit
Because you're a racist, sexist troll that's been haunting our board for ages and we're all tired of your shit?
>Shut the fuck up you piece of trash, you know full well that I am talking about Scotland and Ireland.
I saw UK, and those two countries didn't even brush my mind.
What did Wales ever do to you?
You do know not everyone that posts a funny image is your personal nemesis.
It voted to destroy the country, also Wales is a Principality not a Kingdom.
>The U.K., made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, is an island nation in northwestern Europe.
Yes, it covers those territories, you are correct.
Wales is still a Principality, not a Kingdom. Wales has never been held as an equal monarchy to England and Scotland.
Furthermore, even if it were, it is straight up fucking stupid to argue that losing NI and Scotland constitutes some kind of victory.
Yes, but I don't see why you are singling out monarchies.
Because it isn't the United Kingdom when you lose the Kingdoms that United. It's just The Kingdom of England and Principality of Wales.
You're being somewhat presumptious as well as throwing flames at random, this might be a politics thread but its no excuse for getting that way.
Why do people think this is the end of the world?
When Ireland split off from UK through acts of violence and insurgency, they maintained their economic relationship with UK, which is still their largest trading partner. Economies aren't based on feels or principles, they're based on things like resources, proximity, etc. Same goes for the amount of business UK will be doing with EU after Brexit, the macroeconomic ties will not change and people will still be largely free to move between them.
Unless you think the EU will start a war over this, in which case it just proves it was the right move to leave them anyway.
If Scotland wants to secede, let them. The only thing lost is the ability to dictate law to the average Scotsman, which I don't think the queen really cares to do that anymore.
>Why do people think this is the end of the world?
Someone in IRC mentioned that now Britain can trade with new countries (I think he said Chile was already negotiating agreements)
Yeah Japan for Chile, what a good trade
But then we'll lose the best flag design in the entire world, which would be a shame.
huh? why would they care?
what do you mean "would"
they already cut the UK off
Economics. With the 'value' of the Pound falling, the Yen jumped up and thus means Japan trading with Britain creates a trade deficit for Japan.
We already covered this, it isn't happening due to brexit. Pound has been declining slowly for almost a year. Scroll back in the thread, or ctrl+f pound, or go to any currency exchange and see for yourself.
As for Japan being butthurt over having a trade deficit with UK... why was it ok when the deficit was the other way? Fuck Japan.
Positives outweigh the negatives, we're already seeing the tourism industry booming.
Also in their Brexit II report, Open Europe is saying at WORST the UK might lose 0.5-1.5% GDP with former trading partners in the long run. I'm sure even narrow markets like Chile will be able to make up the difference, not to mention BRICS just waiting for the chance to put their foot in the door.
The remain camp has fearmongered enough about how Putin would love to see Brexit happen, now that it has the fearmongering is backfiring because Russia is a HUGE market that the UK doesn't have to sanction anymore.
>we're already seeing the tourism industry booming.
Ah yes, Tourism will surely save England with a weak pound. You'll turn yourself into one of those Tourism economies, eh? Give Macau, Aruba, the Bahamas, and Cape Verde a run for their money? lol.
>As for Japan being butthurt over having a trade deficit with UK... why was it ok when the deficit was the other way?
Because you were the importer, not the exporter. See, people generally don't want to sell things to a buyer if it means they'll lose money on their product rather than make money. Crazy, I know!
That's not how trade deficits work you fucking moron.
A trade deficit is a difference in trade between two countries. If UK sells Japan two cars, but Japan sells UK only one car, then Japan has a trade deficit with the UK. It has nothing to do with anything but raw movement of materials and cash. Ferrari is pretty highly priced but I'd be surprised if it contributed much to a trade surplus for Italy.
Talk to the Japanese Ministry of Finance, not us.
The only thing he's said is he might print more yen to devalue them.
Also the Japanese Ministry of Finance doesn't control individual businesses, what the fuck are you smoking?
I love how the remaining Brexitards keep saying that we "might be" alright in about five years or so. That's the best you can come up with - "might be"? Do you idiots have any idea how long the EU's been footing the bill for us? How many businesses and charities they fund? I should know; I got a job through an EU scheme
Doesn't matter anyway - Parliament will take one look at this shit and go "fuck that, we want an economy that isn't fucked to shit" and veto the damn thing.
>Do you idiots have any idea how long the EU's been footing the bill for us?
If Google is to be believed, no, they don't.
>EU's been footing the bill
Negative years? UKs been paying the EU....
Yes that's called taxes, taxes which are then redistributed throughout the territories of the higher level of authority, including to places back in their point of origin.
see again, businesses and charities
>taxation without representation
Wars have broken out over that, you're lucky all you had was a referendum.
>taxation without representation
isn't a thing that the EU does, happily
Representation by appointment, not by election.
Virtually nobody knows the people supposedly representing them. There is basically no transparency and no means for the public to address the decisions made.
>Representation by appointment
the appointment coming from those that are, say it with me boys and girls, elected by the public
the data is there, as is the means to contact your representatives, for those that want it and always has been
This attempt to disguise your idiocy in some veil of principle is both without any merit and pointless considering the guffawing you've already done.
And no, go fuck yourself. You aren't here to legitimately engage with anyone, as you've proven time and time again, you're just here to be an ass and push every backward agenda under the sun, up to and including bombing the UK. So no, you don't get the measured posts with researched source citations and respectful engagement with legitimate opponents, because you aren't a legitimate opponent. You're just an asshole, and you need to fuck off like your buddy Slowpoke.
You say different posters then you assume anyone who disagrees with you is the same poster you are obsessed with.
Yes, let's be fair, they're two distinct /pol/ shitheads, not just one.
Do you not see the problem in labeling others? I've not even said anything /pol/-like.
>I've not even said anything /pol/-like.
No, you've just mysteriously arisen to defend the poor, downtrodden, right wing ideologues of the world. A coincidence, I'm sure.
Well, we also know there is one hyper-moral crusader who desperately wants to turn the politics thread into his own personal echo chamber given how venomously and personally they went after other people like Slowpoke.
>given how venomously and personally they went after other people like Slowpoke
Slowpoke being a man who himself supported going after people both venomously and personally
sympathy for him is, it must be said, limited
From Neil Gaiman's twitter, it's good to remember this when engaging in our "spirited debates."
>From Neil Gaiman's twitter, it's good to remember this when engaging in our "spirited debates."
Yeah except none of us are friends and he's not saying that in support of your attempts to turn us all back to the 1950's (NG being an unrepentant bleeding heart).
We are enemies. Our goals and desires for society are exact opposites. You want white male supremacy, we don't. There isn't a common ground here, and you know it, you're just trying to call in some of Neil's moral cred to make up for the fact that you have none of your own.
You're just being a dick and overreacting to everyone you perceive as different from you no matter what the actual situation is.
This is like that image of the fuhrer going "I just want to conquer Europe and purge the Jews but I guess you just can't be mature enough to handle our difference of opinion civilly"
>the appointment coming from those that are, say it with me boys and girls, elected by the public
That's not what's going on.
The EU commission is chosen this way:
1. Government of a country picks a comissioner.
2. Suggests it to the EU.
3. EU turns them down if they want to.
4. Government picks another, and another, and another, until they have one the EU likes.
5. New commissioner is made.
And the commissioner has all the power, MEPs are useless.
Is this democratic?
Until he actually starts killing Jews, it's your job to talk him out of it in a civil manner you fucking idiot.
And can I just say equating a disagreement on the imageboard to the slaughter of 6 million people is kind of fucking RETARDED MATE!
>And can I just say equating a disagreement on the imageboard to the slaughter of 6 million people is kind of fucking RETARDED MATE!
Wow you actually admitted that happened, this must be a big step for you!
>Is this democratic?
The EU's veto power exists so that one state can't just appoint by their own authority a representative that is hostile to all the others. Protecting the many from the few, as it were.
As others have already pointed out that no, you are not subject to taxation without representation, I would further point out that whilst you are attempting to hijack my country's history to justify your shitty decision, you neglected the part where my country's history also shows that seceding from a democratic union over "sovereignty" or "state's rights" is A: a poor choice by any measure and B: not a thing people writing the history books will believe you about, so you might as well drop the dog-whistling.
People don't come to politics threads to discuss things.
Its just used an excuse to get angry and be assholes to other people.
Leaks out of Labour indicating that Corbyn, shocking nobody, undermined Remain deliberately instead of merely through his staggering incompetence. Fun!
Also his entire cabinet is bailing on him which is pretty funny, though the rank and file love him so I doubt it'll knock him out.
Presumably to replace the pure b8 op of the other one
There's no reason for people to have gotten so ridiculously angry over it in the first place.
>Protecting the many from the few, as it were.
By dictate, not by democracy.
>you are not subject to taxation without representation
According to really fucked up definitions of representation. You can argue a king represents the people till you're blue in the face, it's not fucking democracy.
>my country's history also shows that seceding from a democratic union over "sovereignty" or "state's rights" is A: a poor choice by any measure and B: not a thing people writing the history books will believe you about, so you might as well drop the dog-whistling.
Yeah America has totally collapsed after breaking off from the commonwealth you retarded oikophobe, it's not like it grew into the only superpower in the world.
>Yeah America has totally collapsed after breaking off from the commonwealth you retarded oikophobe, it's not like it grew into the only superpower in the world.
He's referring to the Confederacy, don't be dense. The 18th century British empire was not a democratic system.
>According to really fucked up definitions of representation. You can argue a king represents the people till you're blue in the face, it's not fucking democracy.
I forgot the part where hereditary monarchy is characterized by popularly elected officials appointing the monarch oh wait
I love that he's trying to argue that it's a monarchical setup when in fact the Commission appointment system is really just that which right wingers fear the most: compromise. Nothing horrifies them more than having to share space with others and accommodate their will, and the system of national governments picking the candidate and the EU confirming the choice is precisely that.
>liberal arts student that cant read a graph telling everyone the FTSE is worse than its been since the 30s
>previous market close was 6.6k
>it was 6k a week ago
>the 1930s was over eighty years ago.
>a week is a smaller unit of time than eighty years
How about you stick to making funny comic strips for patreon and leave the money stuff to people who know.
Okay so, here's the rub people. Racists are bad, this is the case yes. However, you can't back attacks on their rallies (peaceful counterprotests are fine). They have a right to public gathering and speech, same as anyone, and if you attack their gatherings they return the favor.
Where is the accountability to the public though?
Only one Politics Thread is necessary.
>Hey fuckwits, I'm not arguing EU is a monarchy, learn to read.
And if you pay attention, you might notice they aren't actually suggesting you were.
>I love that he's trying to argue that it's a monarchical setup
How bout we talk about something other than butthurt euros.
Russia is harassing U.S. diplomats all over Europe
At a recent meeting of U.S. ambassadors from Russia and Europe in Washington, U.S. ambassadors to several European countries complained that Russian intelligence officials were constantly perpetrating acts of harassment against their diplomatic staff that ranged from the weird to the downright scary. Some of the intimidation has been routine: following diplomats or their family members, showing up at their social events uninvited or paying reporters to write negative stories about them.
But many of the recent acts of intimidation by Russian security services have crossed the line into apparent criminality. In a series of secret memos sent back to Washington, described to me by several current and former U.S. officials who have written or read them, diplomats reported that Russian intruders had broken into their homes late at night, only to rearrange the furniture or turn on all the lights and televisions, and then leave. One diplomat reported that an intruder had defecated on his living room carpet.
“Since the return of Putin, Russia has been engaged in an increasingly aggressive gray war across Europe. Now it’s in retaliation for Western sanctions because of Ukraine. The widely reported harassment is another front in the gray war,” said Norm Eisen, U.S. ambassador the Czech Republic from 2011 to 2014. “They are hitting American diplomats literally where they live.”
>One diplomat reported that an intruder had defecated on his living room carpet.
You're the one who equated officials appointed by the duly elected representatives of the people to kings you stupid fuck.
Gee whiz, the Leave campaign is nothing but a patchwork of dog-whistling and disastrous lies who could have ever guessed!?
The BBC could have guessed :^)
Yeah you posted that Random Twitter Screenshot before but have yet to give any reason as to why that mistake magically invalidates everything ever said by the BBC?
In fact you generally have a strange thing where you expect people to treat random screenshots as equally credible sources, especially when you could easily cite (in this case, as an example) the Wall Street Journal which both gives more information and context to your point.
I also have noticed you pointedly say nothing about the information in this specific BBC article, and in fact have consistently dodged attempts to pin you down over Farage's whole 350 million for the NHS lie, to say nothing of immigration etc.
>random twitter screenshot
They're publishing blatant lies to the public to trick them into thinking Brexit is bad, everything the BBC prints on the issue is worthless now. This goes for most other publications as well, which are clearly showing their bias through baseless claims on the economic side of the story, which can be disproved with a quick google search.
>pin you down
I'm a top baby.
>Farage's whole 350 million for the NHS lie
1. He didn't say it. It's not his fucking lie, this came from the Leave campaign in general, not Farage. Do you think he spent his entire time in an ad studio telling people what to put together?
2. The advertisement was pure hyperbole "we might as well do [x]" type stuff. It wasn't a re-funding plan, it was an argument for leaving because UK will have extra money. The first clue is that they don't mention dozens of other government programs which are failing due to a lack of funding, which would also need to be funded in addition to the NHS.
>It's not his fucking lie, this came from the Leave campaign in general, not Farage.
Even in the fictional setting in which Farage has no control over the Leave campaign's messaging, this would still make the Leave campaign a creature of pure deception?
>They're publishing blatant lies to the public to trick them into thinking Brexit is bad, everything the BBC prints on the issue is worthless now. This goes for most other publications as well, which are clearly showing their bias through baseless claims on the economic side of the story, which can be disproved with a quick google search.
Ah yes, a mistaken report (or rather, not even that, merely a report that the bank denied, which doesn't actually mean anything except they denied planning it), clearly a sign of a vast government conspiracy. A conspiracy that just so happens to validate everything about your backwards worldview. Clearly we should trust you, insane right wing image board user, and not accredited new organizations, in the future.
>The advertisement was pure hyperbole "we might as well do [x]" type stuff. It wasn't a re-funding plan, it was an argument for leaving because UK will have extra money. The first clue is that they don't mention dozens of other government programs which are failing due to a lack of funding, which would also need to be funded in addition to the NHS.
Yes it was pure hyperbole, anyone with actual knowledge on the issue would know that, for example, the UK doesn't actually pay 350 million and that much of what it does pay just goes right back into the UK anyway. But the average voter doesn't know that, a thing that the Leave campaign takes advantage of because it is predicated entirely upon lies and ignorance.
fuck off with this playing innocent shit
>or rather, not even that, merely a report that the bank denied, which doesn't actually mean anything except they denied planning it
But anon, the ~megacorps~ are always telling the truth when it's convenient for me that they do so! When it isn't they are of course agents of the anti-Brexit conspiracy but not in this case!
Racial abuse incident in Manchester
Decent read on how many of the current chaotic problems of today are rooted in well-meaning reforms that allowed all politicians to be more independent and self-interested:
Following your link, I also saw this video clip/interview.
Obama touches upon some of the real meat of the fiasco there was in Europe. National amd cultural identity at loggerheads with globalization. Also it's nice to see someone whose response is rational and calm.
McFaul is kind of a massive dick though.
>Obama being an interventionist twat is what led to this.
I'd say this is the weirdest argument you've ever made but we can always safely point to Fascism Is Left Wing for that.
lol this entire trump speech
I especially like the part where he (illegally) asks for funds from foreign nationals
Jesus Christ calm down Remain camp.
Excellent speech by former Belgian PM and European MP Guy Verhofstadt
Top hat M8
lol Farage's face during the whole thing
also, good news keeps on rolling
>we are finally going to get rid of the biggest waste in the EU budget, which we have paid for 17 years
>which we have paid for 17 years
Remainers are retarded.
This is pretty fantastic, though I disagree on the point of fast tracking, Poland's suggestion of a second referendum would be better, now that the public is better aware of Leave's true colors.
Mass attack in Turkey, ISIS suspected but Kurds not yet ruled out.
Fathead Farage gets his career comparison
Russia vacillating on how to capitalize on Brexit
Obama and Putin may have a proposed Ukraine compromise by November
Clinton continues to pull ahead of Trump in most polls
>"A bit more on the news we mentioned earlier that the Scottish National Party will today ask to be declared the official Opposition at Westminster.
>They say their leader Angus Robertson enjoys more support than Jeremy Corbyn.
>There are 56 SNP MPs - but only 40 Labour MPs have expressed support for Mr Corbyn.>
>They also say they are able to fill all the relevant shadow posts to the government, unlike Mr Corbyn.
>They point to Parliamentary rules which say the official Opposition must be "prepared to assume power."
>A source said: "We have looked at Erskine May (the Parliamentary rule book) and will put it to the Speaker that the Labour Party no longer meet obligations to remain as the official Opposition.""
And the latest Scottish independence polls are at 70% for yes, so good job David Cameron and to a lesser extent Jeremy Corbyn, you may have actually destroyed the country.
They look like they're getting more firmly entrenched in the UK government.
But don't let that stop your masturbation.
>They look like they're getting more firmly entrenched in the UK government.
Yes, with the end goal of, use your brain now anon, what exactly?
It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses
Nice to see progressives abandoning their perceived high ground and abandoning the working class.
Openly trans congressional candidates
EU won't let Britain maintain market access without still honoring free movement
Russia is lifting travel sanctions on Turkey
Trump caught plagiarizing
GE stripped of "too big to fail" designation
>university quotes a definitive book on real estate
>in order to define the term "second mortgage"
noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
If this is honestly all the dems have on Trump... Hillary is fucked. Possibly for the first time in decades.
Egyptian flight may have been brought down by a bomb or fire in the toilet
Puerto Rico rescue bill has cleared Congress entirely
Trump continues to slip in the polls
Oh boy, Rio Olympics just keeps getting more and more exciting.
Your understanding of copyright law is pretty shitty, apparently. What's written in the given example is a word-for-word reprinting of someone else's work without getting a license, and it does not appear to be the sort of thing that falls under Fair Use--it's possible it could, but that's for a judge to decide. The writers of that material have every right to sue him based on this alone.
But even setting aside the part that was quoted, for the sake of argument--let's pretend your Plagiarism Apologism is valid. This is only one small section of many, given that according to the article nearly 20 pages of material was copied verbatim from this earlier work with no attribution.
More information has come out since. This isn't a TI issue, it's an print by an unaffiliated seminar group (Millins) which did a weekend conference that a bunch of TI people got discounts for through the TI "wealth building weekend" program.
If someone signs up for a seminar, they aren't legally liable for the information the seminar gives them, this is retarded and seriously shows the LACK of dirt you can dig up on The Donald.
>Your understanding of copyright law is pretty shitty
You really picked the wrong thing to argue with me about. Plaintiff will argue indirect commercial advantage, Milins will argue de minimis, the process will take maybe two years before getting into court, and then promptly get thrown out of court.
How Brexit Snuck Up On Everyone
A little history piece.
Video author seems honestly surprised that people were ok with EEC as a free trade union, but progressively became less ok with it as it grabbed more and more power to turn into a dystopian superstate. It's also funny seeing someone claiming Brexiters exploited fear when the Remain camp literally had a campaign called #ProjectFear predicting all kinds of doom and gloom.
As for why Brexit won... it's simple.
Elitist corporate interests are a minority.
Their only hope has ever been to control enough media and educational systems to trick enough people into being useful idiots, thereby hijacking democracy.
The reason the elitists failed in their master plan regarding Brexit is because they relied on millenials to be their useful idiots that sway the vote.
Millenials are lazy useless pieces of shit that stayed home to bitch on twitter instead of going out to vote.
Ergo the elitists miscalculated.
Iowa upholds ban on felons voting
Obama seeking Russian partnership in Syria
KKK thrilled by right wing American voting trends
hasnt russia been trying to get americans to stop arming isis for like five years?
Isis wasn't Isis until 2014
>You really picked the wrong thing to argue with me about.
lol, ok Mr. "Copying a few passages verbatim without attribution isn't Plagiarism."
The only things Russia have been trying to do are prop up their collapsing pet dictatorship, steal Ukranian territory, and pretend that the sanctions they brought on themselves aren't crippling their economy.
couldnt you have googled it first?
Yes I know what ahistorical nonsense you were attempting to suggest, but the statement remains the same. ISIS was not ISIS until 2014. The Syrian Civil War was until that point characterized by conflicts between a wide variety of different anti-government movements from every part of the political spectrum and the Syrian state. Russian protests have always, ALWAYS been about anyone supporting anything that Assad's government.
Pentagon has ended ban on transgendered individuals in the military.
Trump continues the brilliant political strategy of splitting and shrinking his already contracting voting base
Russia is sacking large parts of its Baltic Fleet staff
>implying that the elite didn't win by playing on the xenophobia of baby boomers an the poorly educated, selling them a fantasy of "taking back control" while keeping them in the dark about the economic reality of their actions. The only reason Parliament haven't vetoed this non-binding referendum (and yes, it was ALWAYS non-binding, and referendums have been ignored before for the good of the country) is because they know you dumb shit will increase the hate crimes even more. Everyone already knows Leave voters are capable of murder.
Austria's Far Right party successfully overturns election results, a new election will be held later this year
>the elite was firmly behind the EU
Known small time farmer Nigel Farage, known unified entity "the elite"
>From the wiki page it seems ISIS was ISIS in 1999, and it invaded Syria in 2011, when Russia got involved.
That is literally not what it says and I am baffled why you've suddenly decided to defend Vladimir Putin 's historiography. You're a violent BRITISH ultranationalist mate, stick to your guns.
>“HB 1523 grants special rights to citizens who hold one of three ‘sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions’ reflecting disapproval of lesbian, gay, transgender, and unmarried persons,” Reeves wrote, as Buzzfeed's Chris Geidner reported overnight. “That violates both the guarantee of religious neutrality and the promise of equal protection of the laws.” [...] “Under the guise of providing additional protection for religious exercise, it creates a vehicle for state-sanctioned discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity,” Judge Reeves added. “It is not rationally related to a legitimate end.”
That is going to be quoted for years to come.
Every major media outlet and corporation was against brexit. Both the liberal and the conservative governments were against brexit.
Meanwhile the brexit side was full of fishermen, factory workers, farmers, and working class people of all backgrounds.
You ARE the establishment, punching down.
>That is literally not what it says and
>In March 2011, protests began in Syria against the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad. In the following months, violence between demonstrators and security forces led to a gradual militarisation of the conflict. In August, al-Baghdadi began sending Syrian and Iraqi ISI members experienced in guerilla warfare across the border into Syria to establish an organisation there.
Reading is hard lol.
>Every major media outlet and corporation was against brexit. Both the liberal and the conservative governments were against brexit.
So was 48% of the voting population, the part using logic instead of vague emotion and rank ignorance.
>Reading is hard lol
Reading and reasoning apparently, since you can't grasp what "ISIS wasn't ISIS" means.
Well I say "can't grasp" but like everything you say it's not that you can't grasp it, you just don't want to admit it because that would undermine your varied barbaric agendas.
North Korea attempting to shift to a more civilian centered governmental structure.
It's a fantastic victory of civil rights over barbarism.
Gingrich and Christie in the lead for Assistant Flathead.
Your position was backed up by the elite bro, deal with it.
>Reading and reasoning apparently, since you can't grasp what "ISIS wasn't ISIS" means.
Are you talking about the name? Because the group goes by several names, like IS and ISIL.
>Your position was backed up by the elite bro, deal with it.
Some of "the elite" yes. Some of the commons too. The vote was 52/48. Are you claiming that Farage isn't rich? Boris? Are you suggesting that 48% of the population of Britain consists entirely of wealthy bankers?
>Are you talking about the name?
No, I am not. You know that I am not. Go fuck yourself.
lol sure some.
As for Farage, he's one dude, and he's small fry compared to the remain side. He's worth 3 million and part of a party with 12% reach in his country.
Remain side was supported by the Labor party with 30% of the vote and the Conservative party with 37% of the vote. Oh also random powerful people like Obama leader of the only superpower in the world backed up by the entire media of that superpower, and with 12 million in the bank. And corporations like Toyota...
You're telling me these two sides are comparable? Fine, list ten corporations supporting Brexit.
>No, I am not. You know that I am not. Go fuck yourself.
Learn to use the fucking language to explain what you mean then.
>Fine, list ten corporations supporting Brexit.
John Mills Limited
Legal & General
Odey Asset Management
I like how you keep dodging the 48% point and sticking to this absurd class warfare line, which is a particularly strange argument to pick up given that you won the referendum. Why the need to spread fiction about a vote you won? It's not like lying on this image board is going to stop an overturn, 2nd referendum, or whatever else might occur.
I am also going to second the confusion on why you're trying to rewrite the Syrian war timeline, especially given the genesis of that particular argument was a tentative compromise announcement. A step towards middle eastern stability benefits the right and left, so why start shit over that?
>Fine, list ten corporations supporting Brexit.
I laughed for minimum thirty, maybe forty five seconds.
The people squarely behind the fearmongering for Remain side? The project fear people?
Goldman Sachs is your side dude.
UK must remain in EU, says Goldman Sachs
Goldman Sachs: Brexit would hit banks and homebuilders most
Who Loses the Most From ‘Brexit’? Try Goldman Sachs
Goldman Sachs Says Britain Will Enter Recession After the Brexit Vote
Brexit contagion poses risk to US, says Goldman Sachs
I'm all out of laughs and into sads now.
You have no idea what's going on do you?
Jim O'Neil, the former chairman of Goldman Sachs, was urging the UK to explore alternatives to the EU as far back as 2013.
You have no idea what's going on, do you?
Elites were also against nuclear annihilation. I suppose we should start world war three just to spite them.
>Not wearing glasses.
>New article about mosquitoes.
>A new breed has spontaneously developed.
>Not much change really.
>Just about half as big.
>Read article again.
>Go to Wikipedia, get size estimates.
>Look out the screen window.
>Little brown flecks are squeezing through the screen mesh.
Merkel NEEDS free trade deal with UK or 750,000 German jobs could face the axe
Guess some truths are undeniable.
Why do progressives think being against illegal immigration means being against ALL immigration?
It's like saying someone who's against shoplifting a candy bar is also against legally buying a candy bar.
>Why do progressives think being against illegal immigration means being against ALL immigration?
It doesn't inherently, that just happens to be the case with you.
>Trump is a /pol/tard
Thanks for telling me what I think.
I wasn't sure of my own thoughts before. But now, with your second opinion, I'm fully sure that I'm a racist bigot.
I'll make sure to reject a few black resumes just for your enlightened comment.
I knew he hated japan.
"Trump is a /pol/tard" is a meme on /pol/. Huffingatonof Penis got trolled by /pol/aks on twitter reposting it, and other liberal media was dumb enough to copypaste the rumor. It wasn't even 4chan /pol/, it was 8chan. The media managed to get trolled by a cripple and his D&D neckbeard friends.
Get your shit together.
At least when the republicans got trolled they kept it to one channel.
I swear, it's like you're not a person, just some kind of word generator.
>says the guy whose responses are all one liner insults
Why not? You repeatedly sidestep any attempt to engage you properly, because you're not here to debate, just to lie and act like an ass.
You're talking to more than one person here, and I've never seen you try to engage anyone in a thougtfull discussion. Ever.
In fact you just posted another one liner insult reply, the only "debate" you seem interested in is vitriolic rhetoric.
>You're talking to more than one person here
So are you.
>Why do progressives think being against illegal immigration means being against ALL immigration?
Probably because from a legal perspective it's a civil violation (if it was an actual crime, immigration proceedings would have to have a considerable amount more due process) and getting so worked up over it is like getting worked up over a jaywalker, or calling a jaywalker an "illegal walker."
It's a civil violation for which the punishment is deportation, so why is everyone butthurt when people suggest deporting illegal immigrants?
Also illegally crossing the FIRST time is a civil violation resulting in deportation. Illegally crossing a SECOND time is a felony with jail time attached.
tl;dr your analogy is shit on many levels
If we want to be more realistic, every single illegal immigrant is also guilty of dozens of other crimes associated with illegal immigration. From crossing the border without proper documentation to DECADES OF TAX EVASION, which last I checked is a federal crime with up to three years in prison.
>It's a civil violation for which the punishment is deportation, so why is everyone butthurt when people suggest deporting illegal immigrants?
Because the process for legal immigration is incredibly restrictive and was designed to be for explicitly xenophobic reasons, because many of the "criminals" you wish to deport are children who've been here their whole lives, because you're sending them back to worse living conditions for a mixture of bureaucratic and racist reasons
ya know, lots of reasons, most of which require a basic level of empathy that you lack to understand granted, but they exist regardless of your complete lack of a moral compass
>so why is everyone butthurt when people suggest deporting illegal immigrants?
Probably because of the whole "it costs a lot of money to deport illegal immigrants" thing (estimated at $400 to $600 billion). It's cheaper, when the person in question isn't an actual security threat, to just use deferred action, and let them stay in the country. Furthermore, the federal government is incentivized not to go after such individuals because studies have shown they form the shadow income for Social Security and income taxes, putting money into the system when paid (not counting the minor percentage that are payed only in cash off the books) and not being able to draw it out the money when it is time to file for rebates or they hit the age of retirement.
So much wrong with this post...
First of all you're starting from a faulty premise, the immigration system in America is not restrictive. For example Canada, a country that depends on migrant labor to exist, has a minimum of five years before you can move there and another three years on "probation" within the country before you can become a citizen. The only aid you get during the probation period is $300-500 a month... which is not a grant, it is a LOAN you have to pay back once you become a citizen.
America, a country that doesn't depend on migrant labor for anything, a country with the third largest population in the world after India and China, has immigration laws that are not that much slower than Canada. American immigration system is probably in the top ten least restrictive in the world, because you can live in America before becoming an official citizen, because America automatically counts people born in it as citizens, and people married to citizens are essentially assured citizenship.
So the rest of your post, which is based on "american immigration is restrictive" premise is completely nonsensical. It's kind of hilarious that you call the most multicultural country with some of the most lax immigration laws in the world xenophobic though. America practically invented multiculturalism and immigration as state policy.
If you think it's a waste of money talk to the Obama administration, they're the ones deporting more illegal immigrants than any previous administration in history. I'm personally of the opinion that the solution to expensive deportations is not ignoring the problem, the solution is stopping the problem before it comes to deportation. In other words properly manning the border.
By the way my solution to immigrants already in America is not deportation. I'd like the American government to give them work visas, so they can be taxed and so they can get proper access to healthcare and education services. You know... make them legal?
>It's kind of hilarious that you call the most multicultural country with some of the most lax immigration laws in the world xenophobic though.
No, I called the immigration system xenophobic, because it is, it was strengthened to its current state in the early 20th century in response to Chinese immigration. I also called you xenophobic, since despite your lies you have repeatedly shown yourself to be so. Obviously this isn't the case with the whole of America since a significant portion of the population wants to let people in, but there is also a significant portion of the population, yourself included, that wants to throw even people born here (especially, but not just, Muslims) out entirely.
>If you think it's a waste of money talk to the Obama administration, they're the ones deporting more illegal immigrants than any previous administration in history. I'm personally of the opinion that the solution to expensive deportations is not ignoring the problem, the solution is stopping the problem before it comes to deportation. In other words properly manning the border.
>By the way my solution to immigrants already in America is not deportation. I'd like the American government to give them work visas, so they can be taxed and so they can get proper access to healthcare and education services. You know... make them legal?
Ignoring the fact that you're lying here, they tried to enable that, but your right wing friends in the Supreme Court hamstrung them, a thing which we can all go back and see you cheering about in the previous thread.
The only reason Obama's administration is seen as deporting "more" than any other previous administration is because the raw numbers are so much higher.
Yeah I'm not going to discuss anything with you if all you have to offer are insults. Present an argument or be quiet and let the adults speak.
>Yeah I'm not going to discuss anything with you if all you have to offer are insults. Present an argument or be quiet and let the adults speak.
We've been asking you to do that for two years and yet you won't leave.
I keep presenting arguments and I've yet to call you names or accuse you of anything, so you can't possibly have been asking me to do the same thing.
>I keep presenting arguments and I've yet to call you names or accuse you of anything, so you can't possibly have been asking me to do the same thing.
Dude you are not fucking fooling anyone. You dodge arguments in the exact same manner every time, jump in on the same issues every single time, and most damningly of all, you can't resist doing that cute little "hahaha I stick my final statement in rags aren't I just a scamp"
>I'm personally of the opinion that the solution to expensive deportations is not ignoring the problem, the solution is stopping the problem before it comes to deportation. In other words properly manning the border.
I'm thinking that it'd be less expensive long-term to just go and help Mexico fix its economy so people aren't even trying to leave it so much to begin with.
There's nothing more that can be done for Mexicos economy. They have a free trade deal with America and have a lassais faire market.
Mexicos economy isn't a problem, their government is the problem. The government isn't interested in providing law and order outside of Mexico City, which kind of makes living hard for people there. This is why Mexicans are rushing into Mexico City as fast as they're rushing into America, the appeal of raising their kids in simple law and order.
Start enforcing laws outside of Mexico City and people will stop emigrating into the city and into America, also investors will start coming and the country will be as rich as Canada.
>Start enforcing laws outside of Mexico City and people will stop emigrating into the city and into America, also investors will start coming and the country will be as rich as Canada.
Why those silly Mexicans, why didn't THEY think of that? You'd best go set them straight anon!
They're actually in the process of it currently, since 2006.
As for why it didn't happen before... probably because the leadership was fairly comfortable in Mexico City, and because the cartel enjoy popular support among people outside Mexico City. This has a lot to do with the fact that government is secular and the population is strongly Christian (cristero war etc), and the fact that Cartel do bring a lot of money to those areas. As bad as life is there, the immigrants we're seeing are the disaffected minority, the majority (or at least close to the majority) is perfectly fine living under warlords.
... a big part of the problem is that we're sucking up the disaffected minority, so there's no one left who wants to rebel or change anything.
President Vicente Fox was the first to try fighting the Cartel, but being an absolute moron he barely half-assed the attempt and failed.
Felipe Calderon was the second president in recent times to try doing something about the problem, he was far more organized and essentially invaded his own country to get control of it. His first move was sending the Mexican army into a province bordering Mexico City... and promptly got his ass handed to him. Right outside the capital. Much of his troubles had to do with a demoralized and poorly trained military and police force. Bit after that things went better, Calderon actually had the biggest successes during his career severely destabilizing the Cartel.
However his war didn't last and he was supplanted by Pena. Enriqe Pena Nieto is a coward who speaks in empty platitudes, he has no actual plan to end cartel violence, and has thrown all the accomplishments of Calderon into the trash. The only concrete pattern to his presidency is paying off the Cartel not to kill anyone... which is a great strategy, just ask Rome!
If Mexico gets a president like Calderon again, maybe we could help him with fighting cartel instead of spending billions in military aid in the middle east, such as paying to buy Iraq and Afghanistan entire armies, thousands of tanks and even jets.
Were you looking for an honest answer to your question? Or were you just acting like a petulant child again.
>we lost £20bn in one day
>hate crimes shot up in a matter of days
>turns out a lot of people who voted Leave didn't understand there would be any negative repurcussions
>the two main personalities that spearheaded the Leave campaign have fled like the pussy-ass bitches they are
>oh, and it turns out that Parliament can just veto the whole thing, because they actually did their research before the referendum
Sooooo... how did we take back control again?
>people calling for an end to democracy due to brexit
Does it really count as democracy if the side that won only did so by lying and preying on the fears of people by scapegoating an entire religion, and giving a vague promise of making the country better, which promptly fell apart when the results were in? Kinda like the guy in your photo...
Again, this referendum was always an advisory one. To be fair, most of us people who didn't believe the high-functioning racist sociopaths weren't aware of that until after the election, so that's one thing we've got in common.
Sorry, you've repeatedly said that Hitler analogies aren't allowed every time we've called you out on your crypto-fascism, so you don't get to use them yourself. Thank you and have a nice day.
>o-only I get to call people Hitler! Because shut up, that's why!
I love how Brexiters keep insisting that everyone who disagrees with them hates freedom of speech, when literally all they do is tell everyone who disagrees with them to shut up forever. My side has held peaceful demonstrations, your side killed an MP and firebombed buildings owned by Muslims. You're not on the right side of history.
I'm a liberal.
> I love how Brexiters keep insisting that everyone who disagrees with them hates freedom of speech, when literally all they do is tell everyone who disagrees with them to shut up forever.
I believed you were engaging in this exact thing. Saying that Parliament overturning the election would be anti-democratic/Nazi shit is a favorite Leaver move (as seen by their filth in this very thread). Which is hilarious because they quickly claim that any Nazi comparisons against their camp are unwarranted.
I apologize for the mixup.
Never thought I'd see Liberals helping us get to the day of rope.
Louisiana, it's worth noting, is an open carry state. You don't even need a permit so long as you are 17.
Oh come on are people going to lose it every time some dumbass gets shot?
Yes, oddly enough murder is a thing people are becoming less accepting of, not more.
A completely fallacious argument on your part as relates to a man's cold blooded murder by those who are supposed to protect society, but as you will
OR, since we all know you don't want to admit that your hero is a rapist, racist, misogynistic, war and fearmongering monster, let's stick to the actual issue of the day rather than being sucked down your idiotic garbage road:
They murdered that man. Period. The store owner makes clear he was making no aggressive actions nor was he going for his weapon, he was just out there selling CDs. The video demonstrates the officers aggression, and the "he's got a gun!" thing is the most blatantly transparent "I'm covering for my murder" business yet.
In news that actually matter but no one cares about.
>"he's got a gun!" thing
This came from a bystander not the cop. The cops words were "he's going for the taser", as in grabbing the taser he was being tased with.
Manslaughter is illegal and getting the two officers charged is important, with two caveats:
A) Charging =/= conviction, and there's nothing you can do to change that. The justice system doesn't run on popular opinion so protests are pointless. Which brings me to...
B) I'm seeing a lot of crap that doesn't do anything but make the situation worse. Don't call for the mayor and police chief to be fired, they couldn't possibly have shit to do with this. Don't set fire to your own neighborhood or loot stores. Don't start a twitter hashtag to feel good about yourself, because that does nothing.
The media is ignoring it because of a few factors.
First, the court threw it out for numerous logical errors, lying about the address, phone, and financial situation of the plaintiff.
>“Johnson” had previously filed forms asking to be let off the hook for the costs of the lawsuit, claiming she had only $300 to her name ... such an allowance — known as in forma paupers — is only given in civil rights cases in California, and the judge ruled that she “failed to state a claim for relief” on a civil rights basis, even though she “utilized the form provided by the Central District of California for civil actions.”
>“Even construing the ... pleading liberally, Plaintiff has not alleged any race-based or class-based animus against her, and consequently, her ... allegations fail to state a claim upon which relief may be granted,” the judge wrote ... the address listed on the paperwork leads to an abandoned property, and the phone number goes straight to voicemail.
Second, it was re-filed in a different state while trying to hide the identity and the fact that it was the same plaintiff.
Third, she filed the first time without counsel, and the second time got some intellectual property lawyer who she met over a gossip forum.
Fourth, the story in the deposition is incredulous, with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
And fifth, she's demanding a $100 mil instead of a criminal conviction. This has become a classic money making scheme ever since Michael Jackson got ripped off.
So with the exception of a few blogs most are steering clear, the right wing press is pretty much calling this a cash grab and the left wing press won't touch it because they get their hands constantly burned on that stove.
On that topic, why the heck are you posting huffington post? It's the liberal equivalent of drudge report, Ariana Huffington has been mad as hell ever since Trump implied she turned her husband gay.
>justice system doesn't run on popular opinion
Or at all, which is why they're going to get away with murdering that man.
>Don't start a twitter hashtag to feel good about yourself
"Don't bring attention to racism, that makes it harder for me to be racist!"
Go to bed Slowpoke.
Why are you guys still talking about me
Boy you sure were on top of that. Almost like you never left and were just posting anonymously or something
>You're the +/pol/ boogeyman now
I've said this myself at least thrice.
Guess legends never die. B)
Nah. I decided not to post here anymore, at least for a while, cause you guys are pretty toxic. Still poked my head in every once in a while though, including between a couple of my bench sets earlier.
>political prostitutes that infest this rotting corpse.
If you think the justice system doesn't work in some way, sit down, identify the problem, and offer a possible solution to your congressman in a letter.
1 letter can be put in the queue. 5 letters are a weekly problem. 10 letters a daily emergency. 50 letters a crisis that must be responded to within the hour. 100 letters and your congressman is picking fights on the senate floor.
This is what congress is for you stupid idiot.
Hashtagging does nothing. Blocking roads, screaming, bescumbering a police vehicle or burning a trash can does nothing.
Because your congressman is not going to be paying attention to hashtags or tantrums in the street.
Send them a rotten letter and tell your friends to do the same.
You're too rock dumb to figure out something that syphilis addled and dysentery riddled colonists knew was obvious.
>Blocking roads, screaming, bescumbering a police vehicle or burning a trash can does nothing.
Yeah, it's not like history even remembers protest movements like the Civil Rights movement, the Vietnam protests, or Occupy.
The bottomless hypocrisy required for you righties to go about your day to day never fails to amaze.
Trump voters are dirt encrusted, redneck animals, news at 11.
Anon on plus4chan casually and callously generalizes an entire group of people, news at 11.
Oh look, another murder by bad cops.
One day. We couldn't go ONE FUCKING DAY.
You... You aren't really hitching your horse to that spectacular failure highlighting hypocritical privilege are you? That boiled down to "society told us we are great but really we suck and are mad to discover this"
The civil rights movement and Vietnam protests, absolutely, but occupy was a travesty of millenials whining.
And it isn't like they didn't have cogent points about the job market, but that collection of granola munching hipster twats don't deserve to be acknowledged next to the rest of the ones you listed.
>The civil rights movement and Vietnam protests, absolutely
OK, then shut up ?
The worse part is you can hear that disgusting subhumanoid demon of a cop wailing like a banshee like somehow it's been a bad day for him.
Didn't change anything. I don't know why you'd bring up the Vietnam protests, do you know anything about that war?
>Civil Rights movement
Civil rights movement was effective because it was an entire MOVEMENT with plenty of political pull and letter writing campaigns. It wasn't just a riot.
>do you know anything about that war
Do you? The complete and visible loss of public support was a crucial element in that story.
>Civil rights movement was effective because it was an entire MOVEMENT with plenty of political pull and letter writing campaigns. It wasn't just a riot.
So much like what we're dealing with today then, glad you agree.
20-30 Somali men terrorize upscale Minnesota neighborhood for 3 days.
Threaten rape and kidnapping, beat up a dog.
Police take 3 hours to arrive, media blackout except for vid related and WND/RRW
That sounds like a terrible crime that you'd never mention if it was committed by white people.
I wouldn't have to mention it because the media would talk about it for years.
A hispanic guy with a white sounding name shot someone once and they still can't shut up about it.
>I wouldn't have to mention it
And would in fact be too busy furiously denying it
Well at least you aren't accusing me of masturbating to your imaginary racist event.
No, you're just masturbating to this one.
"Oh god, I get to say justify my hatred of black people and Muslims at the same time uuuuuuh!"
Oh hell no, justifications for that keep rolling in so fast I'm kind of numb to it.
Happens in states with permits as well, and this guy wasn't resisting arrest or grabbing tasers. Officer had a mental breakdown when he realized how much he fucked up.
If you gonna riot, riot over this guy, this is a clear breach, not shady bullshit.
>Officer had a mental breakdown when he realized how much he fucked up
That does tend to happen when you get caught murdering someone, yes.
As long as they don't make it about race, because that shit won't fly.
>Happens in states with permits as well
Fuck off hillbilly, I am not your friend in gun control or racism, I mention the law only insofar as "he's got a gun" isn't SUPPOSED to be justification for shooting a man when it is very much his legal right to have it and carry it openly.
Ah the "but whites" defense, an old AND, to anyone credible, meaningless standby.
The claim is that cops shoot black people disproportionately, and the claim doesn't bear up under scrutiny of the statistics.
>The claim is that cops shoot black people disproportionately, and the claim doesn't bear up under scrutiny of the statistics.
You yourself just provided those disproportionate statistics so
It's the last two last shots into Alton Sterling that make it a crime, yeah, I will buy the scuffle, I will buy that he had a gun very clearly in his pocket and I will buy that it did look like he was reaching for it.
Three pops, officers scramble back, he's as good as a dead man. I can buy that, but then seven or so seconds pass and two pops ring out.
Murder, clear as day.
It went from justified to second degree murder just like that.
>I will buy that it did look like he was reaching for it.
the shopkeep outright said this wasn't the case, the cops' own story is inherently untrustworthy
Right but distance is different from being up close, his arm went under the car and towards his side, so I'm saying I could still give that the benefit of the doubt but it's those two last shots that make this absolutely impossible to defend.
(Also a better argument would be that he was tazed just one minute before, if he could still operate a gun in that state he'd be the strongest, most electrically resistant man alive.)
Also, "Blue Lies Matter" is a brilliant protest chant to all this.
Goddamn it, some news outlets are calling the Falcon Heights officer white, FUCKSAKE HOW CAN YOU REPORT ON SOMETHING WHEN YOU DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO WHERE SHE DESCRIBES HIM AS "CHINESE."
THIS IS WHY NO ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE CAN TRUST THE MEDIA.
Regarding the claim police shootings are disproportionate towards blacks:
238 whites, 123 blacks - Proving blacks aren't shot more often. Ratio is 1.93:1, similar to crime ratio 1.98:1
2014 saw 4822363 white and 2427683 black crimes
There's practically zero discrimination, in fact about 0.5:1 discrimination of white people.
Regarding the claim police shootings are common and/or a sign of failed justice system:
0.002 shootings out of 26.4 million police stops - Proves police shootings aren't a common occurrence.
6% unarmed out of 509 - Proves wrongful police shootings aren't common.
Even the first shot is actually breaking police procedure. Police has to see something that looks like a weapon in his hands before they shoot him, or he has to be revving a motor vehicle. It's against procedure to PRE-EMPTIVELY shoot someone, they have to be a clear threat.
Nah man every time a black guy is killed it's a white guy that does it. Remember Zimmerman? Hispanic with a black grandfather and people still call him white.
>Even the first shot is actually breaking police procedure. Police has to see something that looks like a weapon in his hands before they shoot him, or he has to be revving a motor vehicle. It's against procedure to PRE-EMPTIVELY shoot someone, they have to be a clear threat.
So why defend them? Can you not complete the logical path and admit the murder?
So to put it another way, Black people make up 12% of the population and 30% of the police fatalities in this country.
Pretty sure that straight up means a black person is more than twice as likely, over the course of their lifetime, as a white person is to be shot to death by the police.
What we see here is that in 2015, 53,000 shootings occurred--that may be more than one person being shot in a single incident, and it may be that no one was actually hit by an incident. It's just a gun going off. Half of those resulted in injury. 13,500 deaths occurred by shooting--that's not necessarily "13,500 incidents resulted in death" just 13,500 people died from gun violence.
2,000--about 3%--of these incidents were the cops shooting or killing a suspect. 319--about 0.06%--were incidents where a police officer was shot or killed. Incidentally, more than twice as many children were killed by guns in 2015 than police officers were killed by guns, and more than eight times as many teenagers were shot to death as police officers in the same time period. There were about as many cop shootings as there were mass shootings in 2015, actually. About once per day, a police officer was shot, and about once per day, a mass shooting occurred.
The number of accidental shootings was about equal to the number of incidents where the police shot someone. The number of "defensive uses" was less--about 1,300, or 2.5% of shootings.
So what can we see from this? Well, for one thing, we would reduce the number of gun deaths by about the same amount if we disarmed cops as if we eliminated all accidental discharges. We would triple that number if we included defensive uses as well. This would all add up to about a 9% total reduction in gun violence.
>>407969's numbers can't really be correct since it implies that white and black people shot by the police account for only about 20% of the people shot by police in a given year. Which would mean that American hispanics and asians must be undergoing ethnic cleansing pretty much, given that all other races in the United States combined add up to about 12% of the population, and are accounting for 80% of police shootings. Even if his numbers were right, black Americans make up about 12.6% of the population and, by his numbers, 30% of police shootings, which is still outrageous. Even if you buy the idea that black people are committing twice as much crime as white people, you still have to acknowledge that a black person is more than twice as likely to be shot by police than a white person is.
Who is defending them? Every comment ITT is calling it murder you schizo.
>Black people make up 12% of the population and 30% of the police fatalities in this country.
You aren't factoring for contact, you're implying 100% of the white and black people in the country have contact with the police at least once in 2016.
>Pretty sure that straight up means a black person is more than twice as likely, over the course of their lifetime, as a white person is to be shot to death by the police.
Yeah and a black person is twice as likely to commit a crime as well.
>196 million whites, 4.8 million crimes, a rate of 2.4%.
>42 million blacks, 2.4 million crimes, a rate of 5.7%
>5.7% is over twice as much as 2.4%.
This is what you're not factoring in.
Or to put it another way your identity politics driven mind might grasp:
>Men make up 50% of the population and 95% of the police fatalities in this country.
This is how stupid you sound, stay in school.
>This is what you're not factoring in.
In part because I don't buy the stats you get from Breitbart.
Also, men make up *less* than 50% of the population. You don't really do any research before you say things, do you?
BLM is sperging out lol!
I don't know whos a worse shot between cops and BLM, they're probably going to kill 10 times more bystanders than each other.
>the stats you get from Breitbart.
The stats he's posting are from the DOJ and washington post.
>Also, men make up *less* than 50% of the population.
By like 0.5-1%. Also doesn't that make the comparison more apt?
Golf clap blacks, that's how you use the Second Amendment.
Why Dallas though? Should have kicked it off in Falcon Heights or Baton Rouge, departments there need to feel it first.
>The stats he's posting are from the DOJ and washington post.
The WaPo link he gave says nothing about the number of black people who were stopped by cops in 2016, and I see no links to any DOJ papers that do.
Even if you had them, the fact that black people get stopped twice as often as white people doesn't necessarily mean that they commit crimes twice as often than white people, just that they are twice as likely to get stopped.
You're a dumbshit aren't you, how does a blog website get that kind of data?
>just that they are twice as likely to get stopped
Arrested, the table is about arrests. Also do you want to get into convict ratios? Because I'm fine with that, you're wrong on every level.
>Arrested, the table is about arrests. Also do you want to get into convict ratios? Because I'm fine with that, you're wrong on every level.
And again, that illustrates, what? That black people are twice as likely to get convicted of crimes that white people commit just as often? Because that's not controversial, everyone already knows that. You're still not providing any evidence of the claims you're making, you're just making "Correlation = Causation" arguments that are meaningless but confirm your racist agenda.
Well ok he's calling it manslaughter mr. hairsplitter, the point is he's not defending the cop.
"Nobody is defending them, I'm merely interjecting, lying about statistics, and outright making shit up on their behalf while also telling people to stop protesting it or indeed mentioning it at all."
>Well ok he's calling it manslaughter mr. hairsplitter, the point is he's not defending the cop.
That is the very definition of defending the cop.
Nobody is mentioning causation, has anyone mentioned socioeconomic and cultural factors affecting blacks compared to whites? No. We're not discussing causation. If you want we can get into that though, just say the word, you know I can school you on that too.
What we're doing here is comparing correlations. Within an acceptable error margin black people are arrested at ~2:1 rate compared to whites, convicted at ~2:1 rate compared to whites and shot at ~2:1 rate compared to whites. If this was arbitrary racism the rates wouldn't be consistent between each other and between other groups, because if it was racism the evil racists wouldn't go up to a rate of ~2:1 and go "whoa whoa whoa we need to slow down!" If it was racism they would keep going, because they would be evil.
>You're still not providing any evidence of the claims you're making
So far I've posted data from an independent source and from two different government agencies. I've yet to see you post one link from anything to prove your claims of racism. This:
>Because that's not controversial, everyone already knows that.
Is not a source my friend, you can shout into the wind about how everyone knows you're a cool guy with a 12 inch dick that cums money, but how many people do you think are believing that shit. Try posting evidence to counter evidence, because rhetoric isn't cutting it.
>because rhetoric isn't cutting it
So why do you keep trying to push it here?
"When you accuse a cop of manslaughter, that means you're defending him and you're on his side. Even though manslaughter is just a legal term for murder without prior planning. Also telling people to send letters to their elected representatives is the same as telling people to not do anything. Tven though that's the most effective way to get your point across. I'm a fucking retarded manbaby with a mental disorder that makes me read entire libraries of my own prejudice between the lines of everyone elses posts."
You don't fucking"school" anybody. You post random statistics, and when it's pointed out how they don't support your argument (or in some cases, are outright fabrications), you either just insist they do anyway, throw out random insults, or ignore it completely. The biggest counterpoint posted against you,
went totally without comment. Because that's what you people come here for, not for any kind of discussion, but just to annoy others with racism.
>The biggest counterpoint posted against you, totally without comment.
This is how they deal with anything. See for example their attempts to make it seem like Brexit was pure class warfare, wherein they ignored any attempt to get them to explain how"the elites" accounted for 48% of the country. They're just weirdos out for a laugh.
>pointed out how they don't support your argument
You haven't pointed this out though lol.
Your ace here >>407969 confuses shot with shot and killed, the "2000 shot by police" has about 1500 people that survived. We're talking about the dead people bro, that's what the WaPo article is about.
This is like the fifth time you tried to deflect and you keep failing.
>Your ace here
is on YOUR team you idiot
There was a response to that post already. Response =/= plugging ears.
BLM still wants a race war lol.
That's interesting, can you post a tweet from among them?
Well literally one would be a start, since all you've done so far is post "some black people."
of course BLM isn't an organization but a headless social movement so the statement 'BLM wants X' is inherently meaningless by default
Goddamn, Americans, what the hell are you doing with your country?
well see we were thinking about letting Hawaii vote on seceding from the union
Good to see you dropping the pretense that you aren't just a racist I guess?
Your statement seems to rely on a presumption that "police" can be considered synonymous with "white".
And that everyone who has ever considered themselves part of the Black Lives Matter movement has all the same goals, feelings, ideas, and opinions on every possible subject.
What if a group of white superemacists idolizing Tim McVeigh, like BLM is a group of black supremacists idolizing Assata Shakur.
Let's assume members of this white supremacist group routinely called for murder of black people, or "art" like http://archive.is/XUOv5
And finally the members of this white supremacist group actually went on a crusade against black cops.
Would you be defending that white supremacist group?
Let's be clear on this:
Johnson told police negotiators that he was upset about recent police shootings, that he "wanted to kill white people -- especially white officers."
That is the racism of a lone gunmen looking for a reason to execute people, his justification of the other shootings is especially nonsensical as one of those Officers was Asian.
Do not use this as fodder for "SEE? THE BLACKS ARE JUST AS BAD!!" Do not say "Well at least someone is killing the pigs!" both mindsets are equally toxic.
Unity, reform and rational discussion are our allies now.
>That is the racism of a lone gunmen looking for a reason to execute people
But when cops kill unarmed black people at the same rate as unarmed white people suddenly it's every cops fault and our justice system is broken.
>JUST AS BAD
Just as bad as what?!?
>Unity, reform and rational discussion are our allies now.
No they're a terrorist group now. They're using terror to achieve political aims. Fuck them.
>No they're a terrorist group now.
They're not a group at all.
>when cops kill unarmed black people at the same rate as unarmed white people suddenly it's every cops fault and our justice system is broken
America’s justice system is inherently racist due to the way The United States of America was founded (by white people) and whose power the laws of the country were originally written to protect (white people). To reckon with the modern justice system, we must reckon with its racist underpinnings—like the fact that black people are sentenced to longer jail sentences, and in greater numbers, than white people for drug offenses. To change the system, we must highlight its failings, no matter how uncomfortable they may make us.
But people outside the system can’t, on their own, change the system as a whole. Most of the change must come from within. That means better training for police, better police/community relations, a decrease in the militarization of local and state police departments, and a greater willingness to treat bad cops as criminals worth prosecuting instead of as “cops who made a mistake”.
Also: >they're a terrorist group
Which branch—which specific, organized, identifiable subgroup—of the broader Black Lives Matter movement is a terrorist group, again? You’re going to need to specify with an absurd amount of precision, by the way, since BLM is an amorphous, leaderless movement much like Anonymous.
By which I mean why are you engaging the/pol/tard. Why do any of you bother ? Either he's a true believer in the horseshit he and his buddies pass around on boards and it, in which case you're arguing with a wall, or he's literally just out to fuck with you in which case you're just feeding him. I don't get it. Ignore him, and he'll get bored. It's not like stepping aside is surrendering some important platform to him, it's a tire fire thread on a z-tier image board.
Because I choose to.
I don’t owe you a deeper explanation for anything, nor are you entitled to one.
>America’s justice system is inherently racist due to the way The United States of America was founded (by white people)
Caucasians are not inherently racist against africans. Africans are not inherently racist against caucasians. Asians are not inherently racist against either caucasians or africans, and caucasians and africans are not inherently racist against asians. If you are suggesting there is an inherent level of racism anywhere, then this can't be changed.
This is an inherently reductionist and racist view, please stop thinking like this.
>and whose power the laws of the country were originally written to protect (white people).
The constitution was originally written to give equal protection under the law to all citizens. It just too a long time to get de-facto application of these laws. The emancipation and the civil rights movement removed the last vestiges of racism within the system, we even have affirmative action and other laws that benefit black people at the expense of white people.
>like the fact that black people are sentenced to longer jail sentences, and in greater numbers, than white people for drug offenses.
This has to do with inner cities punishing drug offenses in harsher ways, at the request of black community leaders who are trying to get drugs off their streets. Bill Clinton sat down with black community leaders and they created this.
This law also created things like hate crimes, which disproportionately target white people. For example white violence against black people was 28 times more likely (1 in 45 incidents) to be labelled as a hate crime than black violence against white people (1 in 1254 incidents), despite the fact that it is more common.
You see what a waste of time that was?
Yeah once someone starts thinking in terms of collectivism, they are pretty much useless to humanity.
>Caucasians are not inherently racist against africans.
No shit. But the Founding Fathers, as a collective, did hold prejudices against black people. (Some of them were even slaveowners.) If that weren’t the case, they would’ve written the Constitution in such a way as to free all enslaved men, give them access to the same rights as white men, and treat them with the exact same dignity and respect as white men. The Founding Fathers did no such thing.
>If you are suggesting there is an inherent level of racism anywhere, then this can't be changed.
I am suggesting that the systems which underpin our society have some level of inherent racism within them…
>The constitution was originally written to give equal protection under the law to all citizens.
…because the major Constitutional laws that govern our society were originally written in a time where white people were the only people considered “citizens” under American law. Slaves—black people—had few, if any, of the same civil rights to which white people were entitled under the Constitution. It is impossible to escape this fact, and it is imperative to acknowledge it.
>The emancipation and the civil rights movement removed the last vestiges of racism within the system
No, it didn’t. It really didn’t.
>This has to do with inner cities punishing drug offenses in harsher ways
And now we have more black people in jail than white people convicted of the same drug offenses—and black people are serving longer sentences for those same offenses, too. You don’t see anything racist about how we jail a minority population more often than (and for longer than) a majority population for the exact same crimes?
>This law also created things like hate crimes, which disproportionately target white people.
>they would’ve written the Constitution in such a way as to free all enslaved men
It did... America fought a war over it... thousands of people died... remember?
>the systems which underpin our society have some level of inherent racism within them
No they don't, there's no such thing as "inherent" in any western system of government, because they're designed to be changed rapidly. This is a lesson we learned in the renaissance and the main reason we started abandoning monarchy.
>white people were the only people considered “citizens” under American law
Plenty of free black people existed, some of them even owned slaves of their own. Plenty of white slaves existed. Automatically identifying black people as slaves says there's something wrong with your brain.
>No, it didn’t. It really didn’t.
Yeah it did, all that's left is socioeconomic stuff.
>You don’t see anything racist about how we jail a minority population more often than (and for longer than) a majority population for the exact same crimes?
1. 1994 Crime Bill that BLM is crying about was supported by black community leaders. If it's racist, it's not the white mans burden, so stop pinning it on us.
2. Also it was supported by Bill Clinton, senator Sanders, and senator Joe Biden. Even if you want to somehow twist it into white peoples fault you have to hang it on your favorite party, because conservatives overwhelmingly argued against it on the grounds it would be discriminatory.
3. Most important of all, we covered how this same law targets the majority disproportionately as well. Meaning it's not racist specifically against a minority, it's just an overall bad law that influences every ethnic group badly.
>You don’t see anything racist
He might or might not, either way he's never going to admit it either out of genuine willful ignorance or because it's funny to him.
Stop replying to him. Stonewall him completely and either he'll get bored and leave or continue to throw his impotent, ineffectual tantrums by himself.
>obama ignores race issue completely
>focuses on gun control
>cops are evil
>therefore only cops should have guns
The funny thing is the gun used is legal in europe, canada and under the assault weapons ban in california.
>i disagree with this guy
>therefore hes bad
Gotta hand it to the Cops, driving a bomb diffusing robot with a bomb on it up the Sniper's ass was brilliant.
(though it should be noted Johnson himself was a senior law enforcement official.)
Philando Castile is the best model case here, with clear video.
Obama is shooting himself in the foot. With a grenade launcher. Obama met with BLM and agreed with all their concerns, then he turns around and claims ignorance when something like this happens?
"It's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter" < literally what obama is claiming
"he was upset about Black Lives Matter (and) he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers." < paraphrase of what the suspect said before he died
There are civil rights activists and regular liberals criticizing him for ignoring the very real problems that caused this to focus just on guns. It seems guns are the perfect scapegoat whenever something like this happens. By the way I'm not saying I agree with what these idiots did either, Dallas police chief is black and the Dallas PD is the only department in the country doing the right kind of community outreach, to punish them like this is grossly unfair.
>two muslims harass a teen girl waiting in car
>for 40 minutes
>call her a whore, slut, hooker
>try to break into the car to rape her
>girl calls her boyfriend
>boyfriend (who is white) sprints onto the scene
>beats the ever loving fuck out of the muslim guys
>media is calling it a hate crime
This is what we mean by "hate crime" being used to oppress white people.
>oppress white people
He/she/it meant you can be racist against [i]everyone.[/spoiler]
Well, no shit, but being racist isn’t the same thing as oppressing someone.
>He/she/it meant you can be racist against [i]everyone.[/spoiler]
The more I see your posts the more I realize you might be another kid that's had their minds twisted by tumblr. You don't seem to have a rest period in your replies, or a work period, it's just constant shitposting.
Going back to tumblr to have your worldview reinforced would also explain why you're immune to argument, after all can't break brainwashing without removing someone from the cult.
Not talking about the porn or the art side of tumblr, this kid is obviously into something more fucked up.
This formatting is fucking hilarious in a good way.
Also, oppressing white people based on racial matters is still extremely difficult or impossible (at least, in first world countries).
I tend to disagree with Mr Stoner a lot, but he's right.
Opression: The exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
Based on>>408047's story, to me it sounds like certain media outlsrts are using their de facto position of authority in guiding public opinion in a curel manner.
More against "anyone" than "everyone", though racism is bad for everyone no matter who is directly maligned.
More like having their minds twisted by plus4chan, amirite?
You can say that Tumblr has traits you don't like without presuming that things you don't like must have been influenced by Tumblr, and saying that the latter is itself a trait often caused by the influence of Tumblr does not mean the former is.
That sounded like the Loughner manifesto. Might want to schedule an employment with a shrink.
>Might want to schedule an employment with a shrink.
Opening up a new crusade on the mentally ill eh Right?
Sounds like an incredibly shallow manifesto, for so simple a statement to resemble it.
I'm not a feudal lord and the mentally ill didn't invade my country or rape my women, so I see no reason to start a crusade against them.
Quick question if I tell a person with a headache to take an aspirin, am I starting a crusade against the bemigranded folk?
>I'm not a feudal lord and the mentally ill didn't invade my country or rape my women
Ooooh, CRUSADE justification, that's a new one from you
I don’t know, are you?
Yeah every time I put on a band-aid I commit genocide against myself.
That makes sense.
If any of this makes sense to you, you SERIOUSLY NEED TO SEEK MEDICAL HELP!
So /pol/-kun has gone from standard grade "Imma troll these liberals" absurdity to full on incomprehensible Time Cube bullshit at this point. Arguing with him isn't even fun anymore. And the fact that he's turned this thread into "the /pol/-kun Show Starring /pol/-kun" means that there's really not much discussion to be had in this thread at all because it all turns into "What is /pol/-kun's ludicrous reaction to EVENT X going to be."
I guess it's at least curing me of my interest in politics by tying political discourse itself to a tedious and annoying (and, most likely, fictitious) cartoon character in my mind. So thanks for that.
>I guess it's at least curing me of my interest in politics by tying political discourse itself to a tedious and annoying (and, most likely, fictitious) cartoon character in my mind. So thanks for that.
Donald Trump is a nonfiction genre my friend.
get a tumblr blog
I mean, you are complaining that /pol/-thread sucks, and giving the peoson you hate attention and contributing nothing to help the thread.
I propose that you are the cancer killing this thread.
What makes you think it's one person?
Also, trolling is piss easy when OP's topic is inherently controversial.
Hey now, Star Wars Episode IV is not inherently controversial.
>What makes you think it's one person?
It's two of you, but you make the exact same posts from the exact same playbook which renders the distinction meaningless.
No, it really is you.
at least they restrict themselves to this thread? They used to leak out onto the real boards like /jam/, /mtv/, or /cog/, which even as dead as this place is at times isn't what we need
>It's two of you, but you make the exact same posts
What makes you think I am the anon you think I am? I wasn't arguing with you, just saying if there are posts that you think are troll posts, there is no reason to believe they were all made by 1 person, or 2 or 3 people. Maybe there are 10 people taking advantage of your easy replies.
>I wasn't arguing with you
Yes that is literally true.
Are you trying to say he had no argument? That's rich coming from a guy that shitposts in the entire thread.
No I'm saying he wasn't arguing with me, specifically , in that post.
It's not like there was a great selection; there was Gove, who was so shit as an Education Secretary that hundreds of thousands of teachers protested to get him fired, and a bunch of Literally Whos.
Of course, Parliament is sovereign, so there's a good chance they can still vote down Brexit. It's literally the only chance the UK has left.
>It's not like there was a great selection; there was Gove, who was so shit as an Education Secretary that hundreds of thousands of teachers protested to get him fired, and a bunch of Literally Whos.
>Of course, Parliament is sovereign, so there's a good chance they can still vote down Brexit. It's literally the only chance the UK has left.
Theresa herself was a Remainer so
Yeah, but now she's pretending that the UK can survive Brexit, when not even the people who campaigned for it have a plan. Presumably, she's taking this attitude because she knows that the instant somebody says "No, this is retarded" then some Leave voters will decide to carry on where Thomas Mair left off.
Interestingly, there's a legal challenge to the referendum result, which is basically over a thousand lawyers saying "You know this shit isn't legally binding, right? You're going to check to see if we can actually make it through Brexit without another fucking recession, riiiiiiiight?"
There's also the notion that Scotland has to ratify the referendum before Article 50 can be triggered, which will happen around the same time Beezlebub has to put another sweater on.
Pornography is a "public health crisis"
The public health crisis is parents giving 8 year olds access to media meant for 18 year olds.
>pretending that the UK can survive Brexit
Rhetoric time over kemosabe, stocks are back up.
A buying bonanza fuelled the FTSE 100’s remarkable rebound, erasing all of its post-Brexit losses in just two days.
>then some Leave voters will decide to carry on where Thomas Mair left off.
Interesting you should bring that up.
Assassination threats forced UKIP boss Nigel Farage to resign
>Brexiteer Nigel Farage stood down as UKIP leader because he feared for his life, it has emerged. Threats were also allegedly made against his family during the EU referendum campaign. It is understood those threats were made against his daughters, aged 11 and 16.
This on the heels of Corbyn being viciously attacked by his own party for not preventing Brexit.
Maybe one day, +/pol/.
>Rhetoric time over kemosabe
Yeah, now that the government is getting its affairs back in order the referendum can be properly shelved and we can return to reality.
So, the implication is that I am wrong, and the dude in the video is right.
We haven't even talked, video dude, and already you are telling me whatever I am thinking about is wrong.
You are an asshole, video dude.
>ignores the fact that its all from third party sources
>ignores that there's a police report about it
>ignores farage himself said it
Watch the vid 1 post up.
>ignores the fact he posted RT
Don't post RT
>This on the heels of Corbyn being viciously attacked by his own party for not preventing Brexit.
Corbyn was "attacked" by his party because he's repeatedly failed to be anything but pure poison as a leader and was found to be deliberately undermining the Remain campaign which he was responsible to back
I'm curious as to what point you think you are making with the Farage thing. Do you think this somehow translates to a defense of the man?
May is going to act, as party leader, presumably with the mind of seeming non-partisan insofar as factions within the Conservatives are concerned. To that end, no she's not going to come out as a flaming opponent of Brexit. But she probably WILL send Brexit to die quietly in committee, because the fact remains that none of the major parties actually support it.
Please don’t make a new thread until this one hits the bump limit.
A hot mic caught David Cameron apparantly humming a jaunty tune as he walked away from his resignation speech.
he literally left with a song in his heart
By the way his stepping down has to do with article whatever thing. After invoking it has a set time period during which negotiations with the governing body of EU and the leaving nation can be resolved. By stepping down, Cameron is making sure the next PM will have the full negotiating term without interruptions.
Theresa May is probably a good choice, UK has a good track record with female leaders. Eagle sounds like a douche though.
Not that guy, but "Russia Today", a state-sponsored television network, isn't exactly comparable to privately-owned news programs like politico, new york times, cnn, cbs, pbs, nbc, msnbc and huffingtong post. NPR would be a bit closer in example as it receives public funds. Or you could be making the point that all media outlets have their own biases, to which case the point is moot because that would mean not trusting any news you read whatsoever and you might as well just move out to a log cabin in the woods at that point.
THAT SAID, just telling people not to post links to certain sources is in and of itself a self-defeating purpose. A better response would have been "Russian Today has been found by Columbia School of Journalism to be a notoriously bad reputation for ignoring the inherent traits of journalism, such as checking sources and relaying facts, and often engages in putting out experts that have no expertise, conspiracy theories with no backing, and sometimes pure outright fabrication for the sake of pushing a pro-Kremlin line. You might as well have just linked to Kotaku for all the credibility it gave your post." That way you sufficiently back your position as to why the "assassination threats against UKIP leaders" story from Russian Today is a bunch of bunk to the outside observer like myself.
>implying that stocks won't go down again if we actually go through with this bullshit
The rosiest prediction from economists that aren't being paid off by Brexit campaigners is that we'll "only" have a shallow recession, and we MIGHT get the £ back up after 5 years.
And yeah, Farage's gotten death threats. Nobody's actually killed him like an animal, which is what Mair did. What's it like knowing that you've sided with an actual terrorist?
And remind me again, what's the plan after we listen to the voice of 17.4 million racists, protest votes and uninformed voters? Oh, that's right - nobody on the Leave campaign has actually come up with anything, other than bang on about "the will of the people" and demand everyone who wants some fucking answers shut up and stop complaining about this immensely retarded decision.
Democracy hasn't won, the tabloids and mob rule have.
Yeah but UK has already snapped back, I don't see the basis for more scare mongering.
Are these the same economists who predicted UK will implode if it doesn't take the Euro? Because their track record is shit.
>What's it like knowing that you've sided with an actual terrorist?
>17.4 million racists, protest votes and uninformed voters?
>Democracy hasn't won, the tabloids and mob rule have.
Jesus fucking christ.... do you have any capacity to have your mind changed on this issue?
>Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is defined as the use or threatened use of violence (terror) in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim.
Jo Cox, a MP who campaigned for Remain and headed a study showing the 3000% increase in Islamophobic crimes that happened in the UK within the last year, was murdered by a lunatic because he saw her as a traitor. And that bastard will still get what he wants, because the right-wing tabloids (most of which have ties with Leave politicians) deliberately withheld information from their readers so they could push this "Take back control!" bullshit, because having a whole 3% of our laws being controlled by the EU was sooooo oppressive...
>By 3:02 pm on 3 July it had attracted 4,103,790 signatures, about one quarter of the total number of remain votes in the referendum and over forty times the 100,000 needed for any petition to be considered for debate in Parliament. As many as a thousand signatures per minute were being added during the day after the referendum vote, causing the website to crash on several occasions. Some of the signatories had abstained from voting or had voted leave but regretted their decision, in what the media dubbed "bregret", or "regrexit" at the result.
Some people have already wised up about the reality of Brexit i.e. it won't improve jack shit.
As for the economists you so glibly dismiss (and the ones who stopped the UK losing even more billions in addition to the 20 billion we lost of the first day of our "freedom") here's a source: https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/economics/5099-uk-forecast-to-fall-into-recession and here's the shitty fallacy you're using: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy
In b4 hurr durr I don't believe economists (even if they were right about the market crashing), except the ones who tell me what I want to hear
And why the fuck should I change my mind about rejecting lies? Why the fuck don't you face reality and admit that the lying cunts who sold you this crock of shit have feet of clay and fucked off because they know they don't have any idea of what to do?
Oh, and here's the proof that Brexit voters are ignorant dipshits.
As for "scaremongering", I'll leave that up to your side. After all, you did so well with it at the election.
Sage for double post.
The entire Brexit camp is defined by the actions of a lone insane shooter, that everyone in the movement denounced.
The entire BLM movement is not defined by the actions of multiple sane organized terrorists, that many in the movement are praising.
How do you know it was brexiters googling that? Because it's more likely for an older demographic that has been alive since before EU was EU to know what the fuck EU is, compared to retarded millenials like yourself.
Also your petition for a new referendum contains only 20% replies from the UK. The remainder is from places like Vatican and North Korea.
>By noon on Sunday, archived records show, the petition had 42,000 signatures from Vatican City (population 800) and almost 25,000 from North Korea (where Internet access is extremely limited).
Farage claimed that Brexit won "without a shot being fired", and Britain First claimed Cox was "misguided" for helping Muslims. Labour politicians have recieved letters telling them they're "going to get Coxed". but hey, keep pretending that
And way to keep ignoring that there's no fucking plan.
>I'll post one tweet and pretend it represents every Remain voter, while claiming that one terrorist doesn't represent Brexit
And how the fuck am I the ingrate? You keep pretending that making the UK into a laughing stock and bringint into its most avoidable recession isn't completely fucking retarded. You keep dancing around the fact that nobody's got a plan, every Leave campaigner lied to you, and that Bregret is real. You and 17.4 million other idiots fucked up because newspapers lied to you. Own up to your mistakes.
Yeah, May's gone from 0-fucked up in record time.
>I'll post one tweet and pretend it represents every Remain voter, while claiming that one terrorist doesn't represent Brexit
You realize this works both ways you fucking idiot...
Hey, Remain guy; quit it with the terrorist shit. Brexitard guy is ignoring a lot of facts, but that kind of mud-slinging ain't helping. Not everyone who voted Brexit is a racist thug... just a very vocal minority.
Brexitard guy; stop acting like Leave's shit doesn't stink. The main players on your side talked a big game, but bitched out on account of them not having a plan. And let's face it, the economy's probably going to take a beating - like the other guy said, we already lost £20 billion, which we won't be getting back in a hurry.
And yeah, BoJo for Foreign Secretary. The fuck you on, Theresa?
Not like it matters... the whole thing was so rushed waiting another year would've let winter take care of a fair amount of Brexiteers. Oh, like you weren't thinking it. that it turns out it probably wasn't 100% legal... maybe?
>You realize this works both ways you fucking idiot...
Yeah, remember that time that Remainer murdered Farage at a public meeting?
>but that kind of mud-slinging ain't helping
Congrats on realizing when mud starts flying your side stands to get a lot more dirty, I commend you for having a rudimentary threat instinct.
Remember that time Brexiters mass raped women? Remember that time Brexiters shot up police? Remember that time Brexiters cut the throats of soldiers in the street? Yeah neither do I.
>Congrats on realizing when mud starts flying your side stands to get a lot more dirty, I commend you for having a rudimentary threat instinct.
Go fuck yourself.
>Go fuck yourself.
I liked the part when you supplied a rebuttal.
>Go fuck yourself.
I liked the part when you supplied a rebuttal.
>Well this thread devolved.
There wasn't really much lower it could go from the start.