/baw/ - General Discussion

Go fuck yourself.

So this is how the EU dies: with resounding confusion about the fact that votes actually matter.

>>407589
These votes literally don't by law.

>>407590

The EU is acting as if they do. They want Britain to gtfo.

>http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/shocked-eu-tells-britain-to-leave-quickly/ar-AAhB26j

Also, even if this vote is not binding, if it triggers a Scottish and/or Northern Irish succession, then the makeup of parliament will be drastically altered.

>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/snp-says-scotland-sees-its-future-as-part-of-the-eu-and-sinn-fei/

>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-eu-referendum-result-latest-live-border-poll-united-martin-mcguinness-a7099276.html

>>407591
Scotland already did this whole thing, remember?

>>407593

Yes, but that was before the UK voted to leave the EU. With the Leave (the EU) win, a lot of Scottish voters who voted to stay (in the UK) will vote differently a second time around.

I mean never mind the whole General Election route, if Parliament wants it can give the insipid magpies that make up the majority leave voting bloc a week of the rock bottom economy and just schedule a new referendum to override this one.

>>407595
>insipid magpies
Careful with that h8, m8.

>>407595
>insipid magpies that make up the majority
You mean the lower class uppity peasants.

>>407601
>sat down in the middle of a cricket pitch
This is satire, right?

>>407601

I find the delusion more hilarious, like Brexit supporters saying the pound will be back and rising "come monday" and insisting that the Pound was fine because they had "just checked out the prices on Amazon.uk"

>>407599
I mean the morons who don't actually know anything about politics and simply assume that every time the currency wavers or they see a brown person, it's time to change governments.

Letting the public decide on international policy was a farce: the public doesn't know anything about international politics.

>>407604
>Letting the public decide on international policy was a farce: the public doesn't know anything about international politics.
Which is why dictatorship is the only option.

I see your point.

Now excuse me why I ponder the existence of people like you.

>>407605
>Which is why dictatorship is the only option.
No you eternally disingenuous shitass, it's why we live in republics and constitutional monarchies that are effectively republics instead of democracies: the mob is incapable of running anything because the mob acts entirely on reflex and short term goals.

>>407606
Okay Shitass II, I see your point.

>>407608
>Long live the republic.
YOU DON'T LIVE IN A REPUBLIC YOU WORTHLESS, IGNORANT PIECE OF TRASH

>>407610
YES, IT'S A REFERENCE TO YOUR STUPID OP, WE KNOW, IT WAS A STUPID JOKE THEN AND IS A STUPID JOKE NOW

YOU HAVEN'T FUCKING LIBERATED ANYTHING, YOU'VE COLLAPSED THE ECONOMY AT THE BEHEST OF FUCKING FARAGE

//youtube.com/watch?v=4XYBIUGJvzs

>>407614

Lowered currency is great if you're an exporter. And hey, as the next prime minister of Britain says, England exports cake! Everyone loves british cake. Let them eat cake.

//youtube.com/watch?v=F1MVZYtX5Zg

(also love that use of the word "stuff," really shows he knows words, and has the best words)

The reality of the situation though is that England imports more than it exports, and so a weaker pound sterling is actually terrible for it economically.

But hey, economics is apparently not complex or so I was told in the last thread, so what do I know?

>>407615
>The reality of the situation though is that England imports more than it exports, and so a weaker pound sterling is actually terrible for it economically.

Not to mention the fact that Japan has had to close off trade with Britain because the Yen is too strong and hurting their economy, and trading with a partner whose currency sucks that bad is only going to make it stronger. So Britain's been cut off by one of the most important electronics and innovation countries in the world because of this bullshit.

>>407614
>It bounced back to where it would have been if nothing happened, and is now stable.
This is a straight up lie and I'm not sure why you think anyone will believe this? Then again you're the same person who tried to argue that fascism isn't right wing so I dunno what I expected.

>>407619
Again, jerking yourself off is unbecoming.

>>407614
>>407618

>Be an "evil megacorp"
>see polls put "Remain" as the surefire result of the referendum
>Invest heavily into the pound sterling
>sel it all at a loss when referendum swings the other way outside of all prediction models
>??????
>Profit!

It makes so much sense now, of course! Darn those evil megacorps, they got us again!

>>407620
we can jerk each other all we want, thank you very much.

If you say something original and thoughtful, I'll jerk you too. Full homo.

>>407623
>If you say something original and thoughtful
But you exclusively praise /pol/ reposts!

>>407625
At the low, low price of the United Kingdom.

>>407628
Shut the fuck up you piece of trash, you know full well that I am talking about Scotland and Ireland.

>>407628

>using Gurren Lagann
>not Code Geass

I cry foul.

When you break up the union, the union jack ceases to apply, so have fucking fun with Sturgeon you shit

>>407629
>>407634
Why exactly are you getting so needlessly abrasive anyway, you're acting like a kid on Xbox live.

>>407635
Because you're a racist, sexist troll that's been haunting our board for ages and we're all tired of your shit?

>>407629
>Shut the fuck up you piece of trash, you know full well that I am talking about Scotland and Ireland.
I saw UK, and those two countries didn't even brush my mind.

What did Wales ever do to you?

>>407637
It voted to destroy the country, also Wales is a Principality not a Kingdom.

>>407626
Moar liek United Queendom

>>407640
>The U.K., made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, is an island nation in northwestern Europe.

>>407642
>inb4 "not any more"
EU =/= Europe

>>407642
Yes, it covers those territories, you are correct.

Wales is still a Principality, not a Kingdom. Wales has never been held as an equal monarchy to England and Scotland.

Furthermore, even if it were, it is straight up fucking stupid to argue that losing NI and Scotland constitutes some kind of victory.

>>407644
Yes, but I don't see why you are singling out monarchies.

>>407646
Because it isn't the United Kingdom when you lose the Kingdoms that United. It's just The Kingdom of England and Principality of Wales.

>>407645
You're being somewhat presumptious as well as throwing flames at random, this might be a politics thread but its no excuse for getting that way.

Why do people think this is the end of the world?

When Ireland split off from UK through acts of violence and insurgency, they maintained their economic relationship with UK, which is still their largest trading partner. Economies aren't based on feels or principles, they're based on things like resources, proximity, etc. Same goes for the amount of business UK will be doing with EU after Brexit, the macroeconomic ties will not change and people will still be largely free to move between them.

Unless you think the EU will start a war over this, in which case it just proves it was the right move to leave them anyway.

If Scotland wants to secede, let them. The only thing lost is the ability to dictate law to the average Scotsman, which I don't think the queen really cares to do that anymore.

>>407641
That's racist.

>>407622
lol delicious.

>>407649
>Why do people think this is the end of the world?
Someone in IRC mentioned that now Britain can trade with new countries (I think he said Chile was already negotiating agreements)

>>407650
Yeah Japan for Chile, what a good trade

>>407649
But then we'll lose the best flag design in the entire world, which would be a shame.

>>407651
>Japan
huh? why would they care?

>>407653
what do you mean "would"

they already cut the UK off

>>407655
>Pound falling
We already covered this, it isn't happening due to brexit. Pound has been declining slowly for almost a year. Scroll back in the thread, or ctrl+f pound, or go to any currency exchange and see for yourself.

As for Japan being butthurt over having a trade deficit with UK... why was it ok when the deficit was the other way? Fuck Japan.

Positives outweigh the negatives, we're already seeing the tourism industry booming.
http://shanghaiist.com/2016/06/25/brexit_chinese_tourists_heading_for_uk.php

Also in their Brexit II report, Open Europe is saying at WORST the UK might lose 0.5-1.5% GDP with former trading partners in the long run. I'm sure even narrow markets like Chile will be able to make up the difference, not to mention BRICS just waiting for the chance to put their foot in the door.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Brexit-gives-India-the-break-to-hunt-for-new-opportunities-in-UK/articleshow/52909804.cms
The remain camp has fearmongered enough about how Putin would love to see Brexit happen, now that it has the fearmongering is backfiring because Russia is a HUGE market that the UK doesn't have to sanction anymore.

>>407659
>we're already seeing the tourism industry booming.

Ah yes, Tourism will surely save England with a weak pound. You'll turn yourself into one of those Tourism economies, eh? Give Macau, Aruba, the Bahamas, and Cape Verde a run for their money? lol.

>As for Japan being butthurt over having a trade deficit with UK... why was it ok when the deficit was the other way?

Because you were the importer, not the exporter. See, people generally don't want to sell things to a buyer if it means they'll lose money on their product rather than make money. Crazy, I know!

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/24/thousands-of-british-refugees-make-dangerous-journey-across-the-irish-sea/

>>407663
That's not how trade deficits work you fucking moron.

Jesus christ...

>>407666
>>407663
A trade deficit is a difference in trade between two countries. If UK sells Japan two cars, but Japan sells UK only one car, then Japan has a trade deficit with the UK. It has nothing to do with anything but raw movement of materials and cash. Ferrari is pretty highly priced but I'd be surprised if it contributed much to a trade surplus for Italy.

>>407668
Talk to the Japanese Ministry of Finance, not us.

>>407669
The only thing he's said is he might print more yen to devalue them.

Also the Japanese Ministry of Finance doesn't control individual businesses, what the fuck are you smoking?

>>407671
>Do you idiots have any idea how long the EU's been footing the bill for us?
If Google is to be believed, no, they don't.

>>407671
>EU's been footing the bill
Negative years? UKs been paying the EU....

>>407676
Yes that's called taxes, taxes which are then redistributed throughout the territories of the higher level of authority, including to places back in their point of origin.

see again, businesses and charities

>>407679
>taxation without representation
Wars have broken out over that, you're lucky all you had was a referendum.

>>407680
>taxation without representation
isn't a thing that the EU does, happily

>>407682
Representation by appointment, not by election.
Virtually nobody knows the people supposedly representing them. There is basically no transparency and no means for the public to address the decisions made.

>>407685
>Representation by appointment
the appointment coming from those that are, say it with me boys and girls, elected by the public

the data is there, as is the means to contact your representatives, for those that want it and always has been



This attempt to disguise your idiocy in some veil of principle is both without any merit and pointless considering the guffawing you've already done.

>>407686
>>407671
You could be more convincing if you dropped the shitposting insults from your posts.

>>407689
Different posters.

And no, go fuck yourself. You aren't here to legitimately engage with anyone, as you've proven time and time again, you're just here to be an ass and push every backward agenda under the sun, up to and including bombing the UK. So no, you don't get the measured posts with researched source citations and respectful engagement with legitimate opponents, because you aren't a legitimate opponent. You're just an asshole, and you need to fuck off like your buddy Slowpoke.

>>407690
You say different posters then you assume anyone who disagrees with you is the same poster you are obsessed with.

Yes, let's be fair, they're two distinct /pol/ shitheads, not just one.

>>407692
Do you not see the problem in labeling others? I've not even said anything /pol/-like.

>>407693
>I've not even said anything /pol/-like.
No, you've just mysteriously arisen to defend the poor, downtrodden, right wing ideologues of the world. A coincidence, I'm sure.

>>407694

Well, we also know there is one hyper-moral crusader who desperately wants to turn the politics thread into his own personal echo chamber given how venomously and personally they went after other people like Slowpoke.

>>407695
>given how venomously and personally they went after other people like Slowpoke
Slowpoke being a man who himself supported going after people both venomously and personally

sympathy for him is, it must be said, limited

>>407697
>From Neil Gaiman's twitter, it's good to remember this when engaging in our "spirited debates."
Yeah except none of us are friends and he's not saying that in support of your attempts to turn us all back to the 1950's (NG being an unrepentant bleeding heart).

We are enemies. Our goals and desires for society are exact opposites. You want white male supremacy, we don't. There isn't a common ground here, and you know it, you're just trying to call in some of Neil's moral cred to make up for the fact that you have none of your own.

>>407698
You're just being a dick and overreacting to everyone you perceive as different from you no matter what the actual situation is.

This is like that image of the fuhrer going "I just want to conquer Europe and purge the Jews but I guess you just can't be mature enough to handle our difference of opinion civilly"

>>407686
>the appointment coming from those that are, say it with me boys and girls, elected by the public
That's not what's going on.

The EU commission is chosen this way:
1. Government of a country picks a comissioner.
2. Suggests it to the EU.
3. EU turns them down if they want to.
4. Government picks another, and another, and another, until they have one the EU likes.
5. New commissioner is made.
And the commissioner has all the power, MEPs are useless.

Is this democratic?

>>407700
Until he actually starts killing Jews, it's your job to talk him out of it in a civil manner you fucking idiot.

And can I just say equating a disagreement on the imageboard to the slaughter of 6 million people is kind of fucking RETARDED MATE!

>>407701
>And can I just say equating a disagreement on the imageboard to the slaughter of 6 million people is kind of fucking RETARDED MATE!
Wow you actually admitted that happened, this must be a big step for you!

>>407701
>Is this democratic?
Yes.

The EU's veto power exists so that one state can't just appoint by their own authority a representative that is hostile to all the others. Protecting the many from the few, as it were.

>>407680
As others have already pointed out that no, you are not subject to taxation without representation, I would further point out that whilst you are attempting to hijack my country's history to justify your shitty decision, you neglected the part where my country's history also shows that seceding from a democratic union over "sovereignty" or "state's rights" is A: a poor choice by any measure and B: not a thing people writing the history books will believe you about, so you might as well drop the dog-whistling.

People don't come to politics threads to discuss things.

Its just used an excuse to get angry and be assholes to other people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-disenfranchised-expats-denied-eu-referendum-missing-postal-votes-demand-re-run-hundreds-a7103066.html

Leaks out of Labour indicating that Corbyn, shocking nobody, undermined Remain deliberately instead of merely through his staggering incompetence. Fun!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

Also his entire cabinet is bailing on him which is pretty funny, though the rank and file love him so I doubt it'll knock him out.

Why are there 2 /pol/+ threads?

>>407716
Presumably to replace the pure b8 op of the other one

>>407717
There's no reason for people to have gotten so ridiculously angry over it in the first place.

>>407703
>Protecting the many from the few, as it were.
By dictate, not by democracy.

>>407704
>you are not subject to taxation without representation
According to really fucked up definitions of representation. You can argue a king represents the people till you're blue in the face, it's not fucking democracy.

>my country's history also shows that seceding from a democratic union over "sovereignty" or "state's rights" is A: a poor choice by any measure and B: not a thing people writing the history books will believe you about, so you might as well drop the dog-whistling.
Yeah America has totally collapsed after breaking off from the commonwealth you retarded oikophobe, it's not like it grew into the only superpower in the world.

>>407720
>Yeah America has totally collapsed after breaking off from the commonwealth you retarded oikophobe, it's not like it grew into the only superpower in the world.
He's referring to the Confederacy, don't be dense. The 18th century British empire was not a democratic system.

>>407720
>According to really fucked up definitions of representation. You can argue a king represents the people till you're blue in the face, it's not fucking democracy.
I forgot the part where hereditary monarchy is characterized by popularly elected officials appointing the monarch oh wait

>>407723
I love that he's trying to argue that it's a monarchical setup when in fact the Commission appointment system is really just that which right wingers fear the most: compromise. Nothing horrifies them more than having to share space with others and accommodate their will, and the system of national governments picking the candidate and the EU confirming the choice is precisely that.

>liberal arts student that cant read a graph telling everyone the FTSE is worse than its been since the 30s
>its 6.1k
>previous market close was 6.6k
>it was 6k a week ago
>the 1930s was over eighty years ago.
>a week is a smaller unit of time than eighty years
How about you stick to making funny comic strips for patreon and leave the money stuff to people who know.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/us/brawl-at-california-rally/

Okay so, here's the rub people. Racists are bad, this is the case yes. However, you can't back attacks on their rallies (peaceful counterprotests are fine). They have a right to public gathering and speech, same as anyone, and if you attack their gatherings they return the favor.

>>407724
Where is the accountability to the public though?

Only one Politics Thread is necessary.

>>407723
>>407724
Hey fuckwits, I'm not arguing EU is a monarchy, learn to read.

>>407733
There is only one. The old one hit the bump limit. The problem with /baw/ is it's going to be on the front page for weeks.

>>407740
>Hey fuckwits, I'm not arguing EU is a monarchy, learn to read.
And if you pay attention, you might notice they aren't actually suggesting you were.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36641390

>>407742
>I love that he's trying to argue that it's a monarchical setup
kys

How bout we talk about something other than butthurt euros.

Russia is harassing U.S. diplomats all over Europe

At a recent meeting of U.S. ambassadors from Russia and Europe in Washington, U.S. ambassadors to several European countries complained that Russian intelligence officials were constantly perpetrating acts of harassment against their diplomatic staff that ranged from the weird to the downright scary. Some of the intimidation has been routine: following diplomats or their family members, showing up at their social events uninvited or paying reporters to write negative stories about them.

But many of the recent acts of intimidation by Russian security services have crossed the line into apparent criminality. In a series of secret memos sent back to Washington, described to me by several current and former U.S. officials who have written or read them, diplomats reported that Russian intruders had broken into their homes late at night, only to rearrange the furniture or turn on all the lights and televisions, and then leave. One diplomat reported that an intruder had defecated on his living room carpet.

“Since the return of Putin, Russia has been engaged in an increasingly aggressive gray war across Europe. Now it’s in retaliation for Western sanctions because of Ukraine. The widely reported harassment is another front in the gray war,” said Norm Eisen, U.S. ambassador the Czech Republic from 2011 to 2014. “They are hitting American diplomats literally where they live.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russia-is-harassing-us-diplomats-all-over-europe/2016/06/26/968d1a5a-3bdf-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

>>407744
You're the one who equated officials appointed by the duly elected representatives of the people to kings you stupid fuck.

>>407743
Gee whiz, the Leave campaign is nothing but a patchwork of dog-whistling and disastrous lies who could have ever guessed!?

>>407751
Yeah you posted that Random Twitter Screenshot before but have yet to give any reason as to why that mistake magically invalidates everything ever said by the BBC?

In fact you generally have a strange thing where you expect people to treat random screenshots as equally credible sources, especially when you could easily cite (in this case, as an example) the Wall Street Journal which both gives more information and context to your point.

(continued)

I also have noticed you pointedly say nothing about the information in this specific BBC article, and in fact have consistently dodged attempts to pin you down over Farage's whole 350 million for the NHS lie, to say nothing of immigration etc.

>>407752
>random twitter screenshot
>random screenshot
They're publishing blatant lies to the public to trick them into thinking Brexit is bad, everything the BBC prints on the issue is worthless now. This goes for most other publications as well, which are clearly showing their bias through baseless claims on the economic side of the story, which can be disproved with a quick google search.

>>407753
>pin you down
I'm a top baby.

>Farage's whole 350 million for the NHS lie
1. He didn't say it. It's not his fucking lie, this came from the Leave campaign in general, not Farage. Do you think he spent his entire time in an ad studio telling people what to put together?
2. The advertisement was pure hyperbole "we might as well do [x]" type stuff. It wasn't a re-funding plan, it was an argument for leaving because UK will have extra money. The first clue is that they don't mention dozens of other government programs which are failing due to a lack of funding, which would also need to be funded in addition to the NHS.

>immigration etc.
?

>>407755
>It's not his fucking lie, this came from the Leave campaign in general, not Farage.
Even in the fictional setting in which Farage has no control over the Leave campaign's messaging, this would still make the Leave campaign a creature of pure deception?

>They're publishing blatant lies to the public to trick them into thinking Brexit is bad, everything the BBC prints on the issue is worthless now. This goes for most other publications as well, which are clearly showing their bias through baseless claims on the economic side of the story, which can be disproved with a quick google search.
Ah yes, a mistaken report (or rather, not even that, merely a report that the bank denied, which doesn't actually mean anything except they denied planning it), clearly a sign of a vast government conspiracy. A conspiracy that just so happens to validate everything about your backwards worldview. Clearly we should trust you, insane right wing image board user, and not accredited new organizations, in the future.


>The advertisement was pure hyperbole "we might as well do [x]" type stuff. It wasn't a re-funding plan, it was an argument for leaving because UK will have extra money. The first clue is that they don't mention dozens of other government programs which are failing due to a lack of funding, which would also need to be funded in addition to the NHS.
Yes it was pure hyperbole, anyone with actual knowledge on the issue would know that, for example, the UK doesn't actually pay 350 million and that much of what it does pay just goes right back into the UK anyway. But the average voter doesn't know that, a thing that the Leave campaign takes advantage of because it is predicated entirely upon lies and ignorance.

>?
fuck off with this playing innocent shit

>>407756
>or rather, not even that, merely a report that the bank denied, which doesn't actually mean anything except they denied planning it
But anon, the ~megacorps~ are always telling the truth when it's convenient for me that they do so! When it isn't they are of course agents of the anti-Brexit conspiracy but not in this case!

Racial abuse incident in Manchester

//youtube.com/watch?v=QRBcBa6v7Us

Decent read on how many of the current chaotic problems of today are rooted in well-meaning reforms that allowed all politicians to be more independent and self-interested:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/how-american-politics-went-insane/485570/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-live-cameron-eu-leaders-brussels-corbyn-confidence

Oh jerry

>>407760
Following your link, I also saw this video clip/interview.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/28/barack-obama-brexit-hysteria-european-union

Obama touches upon some of the real meat of the fiasco there was in Europe. National amd cultural identity at loggerheads with globalization. Also it's nice to see someone whose response is rational and calm.

>>407745
McFaul is kind of a massive dick though.
//youtube.com/watch?v=AIRvo8IfZik

>>407764
>Obama being an interventionist twat is what led to this.
I'd say this is the weirdest argument you've ever made but we can always safely point to Fascism Is Left Wing for that.

lol this entire trump speech

I especially like the part where he (illegally) asks for funds from foreign nationals

Jesus Christ calm down Remain camp.
//youtube.com/watch?v=WZl2udKDG3g

>>407767
Why? The Leave camp certainly isn't
>>407758

Excellent speech by former Belgian PM and European MP Guy Verhofstadt
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154758615170016&id=99985820015&refid=17&__tn__=C

Top hat M8
https://twitter.com/GlenysKinnock/status/747867151386689538

>>407769
lol Farage's face during the whole thing

also, good news keeps on rolling
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/british-pound-could-hit-history-making-dollar-parity-by-end-of-2016-2016-06-27

>>407769
>we are finally going to get rid of the biggest waste in the EU budget, which we have paid for 17 years
>which we have paid for 17 years
>we
Remainers are retarded.

>>407769
This is pretty fantastic, though I disagree on the point of fast tracking, Poland's suggestion of a second referendum would be better, now that the public is better aware of Leave's true colors.

>>407769
>>407771
>>407773
The entire thing is pretty great, the knives really came out.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/meps-boo-nigel-farage-insults-in-european-parliament?client=ms-android-verizon#

>>407774
//youtube.com/watch?v=MlN9o3g-yuA

Mass attack in Turkey, ISIS suspected but Kurds not yet ruled out.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/28/explosions-multiple-injuries-reported-at-istanbul-airport.html

Fathead Farage gets his career comparison
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36654901

Russia vacillating on how to capitalize on Brexit
http://www.voanews.com/content/brexit-impact-russia-stirs-concern/3396142.html

Obama and Putin may have a proposed Ukraine compromise by November
http://www.globalresearch.ca/signing-a-deal-with-moscow-obama-wants-to-wrap-up-the-ukrainian-project-by-november/5533177

Clinton continues to pull ahead of Trump in most polls
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#polls

>"A bit more on the news we mentioned earlier that the Scottish National Party will today ask to be declared the official Opposition at Westminster.
>They say their leader Angus Robertson enjoys more support than Jeremy Corbyn.
>There are 56 SNP MPs - but only 40 Labour MPs have expressed support for Mr Corbyn.>
>They also say they are able to fill all the relevant shadow posts to the government, unlike Mr Corbyn.
>They point to Parliamentary rules which say the official Opposition must be "prepared to assume power."
>A source said: "We have looked at Erskine May (the Parliamentary rule book) and will put it to the Speaker that the Labour Party no longer meet obligations to remain as the official Opposition.""

And the latest Scottish independence polls are at 70% for yes, so good job David Cameron and to a lesser extent Jeremy Corbyn, you may have actually destroyed the country.

>>407783
They look like they're getting more firmly entrenched in the UK government.

But don't let that stop your masturbation.

>>407785
>They look like they're getting more firmly entrenched in the UK government.
Yes, with the end goal of, use your brain now anon, what exactly?

lol heterosexual pride day what?

It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/28/its-time-for-the-elites-to-rise-up-against-ignorant-masses-trump-2016-brexit/

Nice to see progressives abandoning their perceived high ground and abandoning the working class.

Openly trans congressional candidates

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/29/two-transgender-candidates-both-named-misty-just-made-history-by-winning-house-and-senate-primaries/

EU won't let Britain maintain market access without still honoring free movement

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36659900

Russia is lifting travel sanctions on Turkey
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/russia-closes-crisis-chapter-turkey-160629131937917.html

Trump caught plagiarizing
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/us/politics/donald-trump-institute-plagiarism.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

GE stripped of "too big to fail" designation
http://www.reuters.com/article/ge-capital-usa-idUSL1N19L0TE

>>407793
>university quotes a definitive book on real estate
>in order to define the term "second mortgage"
>ITS PLAGIARISM!!!
pla·gia·rism
ˈplājəˌrizəm/
noun
noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

If this is honestly all the dems have on Trump... Hillary is fucked. Possibly for the first time in decades.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/world/egyptair-data-recorder/

Egyptian flight may have been brought down by a bomb or fire in the toilet

Puerto Rico rescue bill has cleared Congress entirely

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/29/senate-poised-to-act-on-puerto-rico-debt-days-before-debt-cliff/

Trump continues to slip in the polls

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/2016-election-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/

>>407795
Your understanding of copyright law is pretty shitty, apparently. What's written in the given example is a word-for-word reprinting of someone else's work without getting a license, and it does not appear to be the sort of thing that falls under Fair Use--it's possible it could, but that's for a judge to decide. The writers of that material have every right to sue him based on this alone.

But even setting aside the part that was quoted, for the sake of argument--let's pretend your Plagiarism Apologism is valid. This is only one small section of many, given that according to the article nearly 20 pages of material was copied verbatim from this earlier work with no attribution.

>>407800
More information has come out since. This isn't a TI issue, it's an print by an unaffiliated seminar group (Millins) which did a weekend conference that a bunch of TI people got discounts for through the TI "wealth building weekend" program.

If someone signs up for a seminar, they aren't legally liable for the information the seminar gives them, this is retarded and seriously shows the LACK of dirt you can dig up on The Donald.

>Your understanding of copyright law is pretty shitty
You really picked the wrong thing to argue with me about. Plaintiff will argue indirect commercial advantage, Milins will argue de minimis, the process will take maybe two years before getting into court, and then promptly get thrown out of court.

How Brexit Snuck Up On Everyone
//youtube.com/watch?v=RKO3bbr8jvw
A little history piece.

Iowa upholds ban on felons voting
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/iowa-upholds-felon-voting-ban-n601666

Obama seeking Russian partnership in Syria

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-proposes-new-military-partnership-with-russia-in-syria/2016/06/29/8e8b2e2a-3e3f-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html

KKK thrilled by right wing American voting trends
http://m.ajc.com/ap/ap/north-carolina/ku-klux-klan-dreams-of-rising-again-150-years-afte/nrqGy/

>>407807
hasnt russia been trying to get americans to stop arming isis for like five years?

>>407809
Isis wasn't Isis until 2014

So no

>>407802
>You really picked the wrong thing to argue with me about.
lol, ok Mr. "Copying a few passages verbatim without attribution isn't Plagiarism."

>>407809
The only things Russia have been trying to do are prop up their collapsing pet dictatorship, steal Ukranian territory, and pretend that the sanctions they brought on themselves aren't crippling their economy.

>>407810
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Syrian_Civil_War

couldnt you have googled it first?

>>407813
Yes I know what ahistorical nonsense you were attempting to suggest, but the statement remains the same. ISIS was not ISIS until 2014. The Syrian Civil War was until that point characterized by conflicts between a wide variety of different anti-government movements from every part of the political spectrum and the Syrian state. Russian protests have always, ALWAYS been about anyone supporting anything that Assad's government.

Pentagon has ended ban on transgendered individuals in the military.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/politics/transgender-ban-lifted-us-military/

Trump continues the brilliant political strategy of splitting and shrinking his already contracting voting base
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-starts-a-trade-war--with-the-republican-party/2016/06/30/25eec89a-3eda-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

Russia is sacking large parts of its Baltic Fleet staff
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/world/europe/russia-fires-dozens-of-military-officers-in-baltic-region.html?_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36681475
Austria's Far Right party successfully overturns election results, a new election will be held later this year

>>407814
>ISIS was not ISIS until 2014.
From the wiki page it seems ISIS was ISIS in 1999, and it invaded Syria in 2011, when Russia got involved.

>>407825
>implying that the elite didn't win
The elite lost dude, the elite was firmly behind the EU.

>>407830
>the elite was firmly behind the EU
Known small time farmer Nigel Farage, known unified entity "the elite"
>From the wiki page it seems ISIS was ISIS in 1999, and it invaded Syria in 2011, when Russia got involved.
That is literally not what it says and I am baffled why you've suddenly decided to defend Vladimir Putin 's historiography. You're a violent BRITISH ultranationalist mate, stick to your guns.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_state_sanctioned_discrimination_federal_judge_halts_mississippi_anti_lgbt_religious_freedom_law

>“HB 1523 grants special rights to citizens who hold one of three ‘sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions’ reflecting disapproval of lesbian, gay, transgender, and unmarried persons,” Reeves wrote, as Buzzfeed's Chris Geidner reported overnight. “That violates both the guarantee of religious neutrality and the promise of equal protection of the laws.” [...] “Under the guise of providing additional protection for religious exercise, it creates a vehicle for state-sanctioned discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity,” Judge Reeves added. “It is not rationally related to a legitimate end.”

That is going to be quoted for years to come.

>>407833
>Every major media outlet and corporation was against brexit. Both the liberal and the conservative governments were against brexit.
So was 48% of the voting population, the part using logic instead of vague emotion and rank ignorance.

>Reading is hard lol
Reading and reasoning apparently, since you can't grasp what "ISIS wasn't ISIS" means.

Well I say "can't grasp" but like everything you say it's not that you can't grasp it, you just don't want to admit it because that would undermine your varied barbaric agendas.

North Korea attempting to shift to a more civilian centered governmental structure.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-creates-new-ruling-branch-to-reduce-military-role-1467268467

>>407832
It's a fantastic victory of civil rights over barbarism.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/why-mississippis-law-on-religious-rights-and-lgbt-got-blocked/489731/

Gingrich and Christie in the lead for Assistant Flathead.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gingrich-christie-are-the-leading-candidates-to-be-trumps-running-mate/2016/06/30/98fa3ecc-3eef-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

>>407834
Your position was backed up by the elite bro, deal with it.

>Reading and reasoning apparently, since you can't grasp what "ISIS wasn't ISIS" means.
Are you talking about the name? Because the group goes by several names, like IS and ISIL.

>>407838
>Your position was backed up by the elite bro, deal with it.
Some of "the elite" yes. Some of the commons too. The vote was 52/48. Are you claiming that Farage isn't rich? Boris? Are you suggesting that 48% of the population of Britain consists entirely of wealthy bankers?
>Are you talking about the name?
No, I am not. You know that I am not. Go fuck yourself.

>>407841
>some
>media
>politicians
>nonprofits
>corporations
>policy wonks
>some
lol sure some.

As for Farage, he's one dude, and he's small fry compared to the remain side. He's worth 3 million and part of a party with 12% reach in his country.

Remain side was supported by the Labor party with 30% of the vote and the Conservative party with 37% of the vote. Oh also random powerful people like Obama leader of the only superpower in the world backed up by the entire media of that superpower, and with 12 million in the bank. And corporations like Toyota...

You're telling me these two sides are comparable? Fine, list ten corporations supporting Brexit.

>No, I am not. You know that I am not. Go fuck yourself.
Learn to use the fucking language to explain what you mean then.

>>407843
>Fine, list ten corporations supporting Brexit.
Trump Industries
Newscorp
John Mills Limited
Timpson
Legal & General
Reebok
Phone4U
Numis Securities
Odey Asset Management
Goldman Sachs

>>407844
No but you see the elites

>>407843
I like how you keep dodging the 48% point and sticking to this absurd class warfare line, which is a particularly strange argument to pick up given that you won the referendum. Why the need to spread fiction about a vote you won? It's not like lying on this image board is going to stop an overturn, 2nd referendum, or whatever else might occur.

I am also going to second the confusion on why you're trying to rewrite the Syrian war timeline, especially given the genesis of that particular argument was a tentative compromise announcement. A step towards middle eastern stability benefits the right and left, so why start shit over that?

>>407844
>Fine, list ten corporations supporting Brexit.
>Trump Industries
I laughed for minimum thirty, maybe forty five seconds.

>Goldman Sachs
The people squarely behind the fearmongering for Remain side? The project fear people?

Goldman Sachs is your side dude.

UK must remain in EU, says Goldman Sachs
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/uk-must-remain-in-eu-says-goldman-sachs/
Goldman Sachs: Brexit would hit banks and homebuilders most
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/21/brexit-would-hit-banks-homebuilders-goldman-sachs
Who Loses the Most From ‘Brexit’? Try Goldman Sachs
http://www.wsj.com/articles/who-loses-the-most-from-brexit-try-goldman-sachs-1460403274
Goldman Sachs Says Britain Will Enter Recession After the Brexit Vote
http://fortune.com/2016/06/27/goldman-sachs-britain-recession-brexit/
Brexit contagion poses risk to US, says Goldman Sachs
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/29/brexit-contagion-poses-risk-to-us-says-goldman-sachs.html

I'm all out of laughs and into sads now.

You have no idea what's going on do you?

>>407849
Jim O'Neil, the former chairman of Goldman Sachs, was urging the UK to explore alternatives to the EU as far back as 2013.

You have no idea what's going on, do you?

>>407852
>former
adurrr

Elites were also against nuclear annihilation. I suppose we should start world war three just to spite them.

>Not wearing glasses.
>New article about mosquitoes.
>A new breed has spontaneously developed.
>Not much change really.
>Just about half as big.
>Wait.
>Read article again.
>Go to Wikipedia, get size estimates.
>Look out the screen window.
>Little brown flecks are squeezing through the screen mesh.

Why do progressives think being against illegal immigration means being against ALL immigration?

It's like saying someone who's against shoplifting a candy bar is also against legally buying a candy bar.

>>407863
>Why do progressives think being against illegal immigration means being against ALL immigration?
It doesn't inherently, that just happens to be the case with you.

>>407864
Thanks for telling me what I think.

I wasn't sure of my own thoughts before. But now, with your second opinion, I'm fully sure that I'm a racist bigot.

I'll make sure to reject a few black resumes just for your enlightened comment.

>>407867
He likely does.

>>407869
I swear, it's like you're not a person, just some kind of word generator.

>>407870
>says the guy whose responses are all one liner insults

>>407871
Why not? You repeatedly sidestep any attempt to engage you properly, because you're not here to debate, just to lie and act like an ass.

>>407872
You're talking to more than one person here, and I've never seen you try to engage anyone in a thougtfull discussion. Ever.

In fact you just posted another one liner insult reply, the only "debate" you seem interested in is vitriolic rhetoric.

>>407873
>You're talking to more than one person here
So are you.

>>407863
>Why do progressives think being against illegal immigration means being against ALL immigration?

Probably because from a legal perspective it's a civil violation (if it was an actual crime, immigration proceedings would have to have a considerable amount more due process) and getting so worked up over it is like getting worked up over a jaywalker, or calling a jaywalker an "illegal walker."

>>407875
It's a civil violation for which the punishment is deportation, so why is everyone butthurt when people suggest deporting illegal immigrants?

Also illegally crossing the FIRST time is a civil violation resulting in deportation. Illegally crossing a SECOND time is a felony with jail time attached.

tl;dr your analogy is shit on many levels

If we want to be more realistic, every single illegal immigrant is also guilty of dozens of other crimes associated with illegal immigration. From crossing the border without proper documentation to DECADES OF TAX EVASION, which last I checked is a federal crime with up to three years in prison.

>>407876
>It's a civil violation for which the punishment is deportation, so why is everyone butthurt when people suggest deporting illegal immigrants?
Because the process for legal immigration is incredibly restrictive and was designed to be for explicitly xenophobic reasons, because many of the "criminals" you wish to deport are children who've been here their whole lives, because you're sending them back to worse living conditions for a mixture of bureaucratic and racist reasons


ya know, lots of reasons, most of which require a basic level of empathy that you lack to understand granted, but they exist regardless of your complete lack of a moral compass

>>407876
>so why is everyone butthurt when people suggest deporting illegal immigrants?

Probably because of the whole "it costs a lot of money to deport illegal immigrants" thing (estimated at $400 to $600 billion). It's cheaper, when the person in question isn't an actual security threat, to just use deferred action, and let them stay in the country. Furthermore, the federal government is incentivized not to go after such individuals because studies have shown they form the shadow income for Social Security and income taxes, putting money into the system when paid (not counting the minor percentage that are payed only in cash off the books) and not being able to draw it out the money when it is time to file for rebates or they hit the age of retirement.

>>407877
So much wrong with this post...

First of all you're starting from a faulty premise, the immigration system in America is not restrictive. For example Canada, a country that depends on migrant labor to exist, has a minimum of five years before you can move there and another three years on "probation" within the country before you can become a citizen. The only aid you get during the probation period is $300-500 a month... which is not a grant, it is a LOAN you have to pay back once you become a citizen.

America, a country that doesn't depend on migrant labor for anything, a country with the third largest population in the world after India and China, has immigration laws that are not that much slower than Canada. American immigration system is probably in the top ten least restrictive in the world, because you can live in America before becoming an official citizen, because America automatically counts people born in it as citizens, and people married to citizens are essentially assured citizenship.

So the rest of your post, which is based on "american immigration is restrictive" premise is completely nonsensical. It's kind of hilarious that you call the most multicultural country with some of the most lax immigration laws in the world xenophobic though. America practically invented multiculturalism and immigration as state policy.

>>407878
If you think it's a waste of money talk to the Obama administration, they're the ones deporting more illegal immigrants than any previous administration in history. I'm personally of the opinion that the solution to expensive deportations is not ignoring the problem, the solution is stopping the problem before it comes to deportation. In other words properly manning the border.

By the way my solution to immigrants already in America is not deportation. I'd like the American government to give them work visas, so they can be taxed and so they can get proper access to healthcare and education services. You know... make them legal?

>>407886

>It's kind of hilarious that you call the most multicultural country with some of the most lax immigration laws in the world xenophobic though.
No, I called the immigration system xenophobic, because it is, it was strengthened to its current state in the early 20th century in response to Chinese immigration. I also called you xenophobic, since despite your lies you have repeatedly shown yourself to be so. Obviously this isn't the case with the whole of America since a significant portion of the population wants to let people in, but there is also a significant portion of the population, yourself included, that wants to throw even people born here (especially, but not just, Muslims) out entirely.

>If you think it's a waste of money talk to the Obama administration, they're the ones deporting more illegal immigrants than any previous administration in history. I'm personally of the opinion that the solution to expensive deportations is not ignoring the problem, the solution is stopping the problem before it comes to deportation. In other words properly manning the border.
>
>By the way my solution to immigrants already in America is not deportation. I'd like the American government to give them work visas, so they can be taxed and so they can get proper access to healthcare and education services. You know... make them legal?
Ignoring the fact that you're lying here, they tried to enable that, but your right wing friends in the Supreme Court hamstrung them, a thing which we can all go back and see you cheering about in the previous thread.

The only reason Obama's administration is seen as deporting "more" than any other previous administration is because the raw numbers are so much higher.

>>407887
Yeah I'm not going to discuss anything with you if all you have to offer are insults. Present an argument or be quiet and let the adults speak.

>>407888
>Yeah I'm not going to discuss anything with you if all you have to offer are insults. Present an argument or be quiet and let the adults speak.
We've been asking you to do that for two years and yet you won't leave.

>>407890
I keep presenting arguments and I've yet to call you names or accuse you of anything, so you can't possibly have been asking me to do the same thing.

>>407891
>I keep presenting arguments and I've yet to call you names or accuse you of anything, so you can't possibly have been asking me to do the same thing.
Dude you are not fucking fooling anyone. You dodge arguments in the exact same manner every time, jump in on the same issues every single time, and most damningly of all, you can't resist doing that cute little "hahaha I stick my final statement in rags aren't I just a scamp"

>>407886
>I'm personally of the opinion that the solution to expensive deportations is not ignoring the problem, the solution is stopping the problem before it comes to deportation. In other words properly manning the border.
I'm thinking that it'd be less expensive long-term to just go and help Mexico fix its economy so people aren't even trying to leave it so much to begin with.

>>407898
>Start enforcing laws outside of Mexico City and people will stop emigrating into the city and into America, also investors will start coming and the country will be as rich as Canada.
Why those silly Mexicans, why didn't THEY think of that? You'd best go set them straight anon!

>>407899
They're actually in the process of it currently, since 2006.

As for why it didn't happen before... probably because the leadership was fairly comfortable in Mexico City, and because the cartel enjoy popular support among people outside Mexico City. This has a lot to do with the fact that government is secular and the population is strongly Christian (cristero war etc), and the fact that Cartel do bring a lot of money to those areas. As bad as life is there, the immigrants we're seeing are the disaffected minority, the majority (or at least close to the majority) is perfectly fine living under warlords.
... a big part of the problem is that we're sucking up the disaffected minority, so there's no one left who wants to rebel or change anything.

President Vicente Fox was the first to try fighting the Cartel, but being an absolute moron he barely half-assed the attempt and failed.
Felipe Calderon was the second president in recent times to try doing something about the problem, he was far more organized and essentially invaded his own country to get control of it. His first move was sending the Mexican army into a province bordering Mexico City... and promptly got his ass handed to him. Right outside the capital. Much of his troubles had to do with a demoralized and poorly trained military and police force. Bit after that things went better, Calderon actually had the biggest successes during his career severely destabilizing the Cartel.
However his war didn't last and he was supplanted by Pena. Enriqe Pena Nieto is a coward who speaks in empty platitudes, he has no actual plan to end cartel violence, and has thrown all the accomplishments of Calderon into the trash. The only concrete pattern to his presidency is paying off the Cartel not to kill anyone... which is a great strategy, just ask Rome!

If Mexico gets a president like Calderon again, maybe we could help him with fighting cartel instead of spending billions in military aid in the middle east, such as paying to buy Iraq and Afghanistan entire armies, thousands of tanks and even jets.

Were you looking for an honest answer to your question? Or were you just acting like a petulant child again.