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No.394007
SYM: It Could Be WorseAnonymous
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Old thread was at bump limit >>393117
No.394008
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394012
Upped my anti-depressant meds to 1/day as part of my ramp-up. The four days of a half dose didn't seem to have much of an effect, but holy shit I'm tired now. Could just be caffeine tolerance/horrible sleep, but, fuck.

I kind of expected this, though; doc said that it could make me a bit antsy/awake, but every time I've been told that it's been the opposite. Guess I'll move it to something I take at night, that should help with sleep problems hopefully.
No.394012
Eating
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You aren't allowed to use GoFundMe.com to fund an assassination. or, for whatever reason, sorcery


>>394008
Best of luck, hopefully the full dose is much more effective.
No.394016
TeethandHunger
Replies:>>394024
I got a 400 watt fog machine. I can't see shit now, but it's cool.
Every monster should get a fog machine.
No.394021
Anonymous
I can't decide if I should keep writing a fanfiction or not. I think it would be a good story, I've got pretty much the entire thing planned out in my head and I've already written a few chapters.

But it would be a long story. Do I want to do that? Do I want to be one of those people who have written a fanfiction in excess of 100k words? I feel like I would really regret putting that much time and energy into this, but at the same time I feel like I'd regret not doing it.

This is a stupid problem to have.
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>>394021
This is a very stupid problem to have and I also have it. It's made even worse by the fact that the fanfiction that I want to write features shipping. I will say this, though: I have had this problem for years and it has not gone away, no matter how much I attempted to bury and forget it.

The story will be written, this much I've come to understand. There is nothing I can really do to stop it at this point, no matter how embarrassing I find this hobby to be.

I could be spending my time trying to create original pieces of fiction, or finishing up the ones that I started. But I'm not. I'm going to go and spend my time writing a dumb story for a fucking cartoon show aimed at children. This is my life.
No.394023
Anonymous
Replies:>>394042
>>394022
What show?
What ship?
No.394024
Anonymous
>>394016
Do you have a laser pointer? How about some hand-held mirrors?

>>394021
>>394022
Similar problem, but not a fanfic, but a fan-art comic. It sucks.
No.394029
Anonymous
>>394024
I know a guy who has been working on his Sonic the Hedgehog fancomic for +5 years now.

He has yet to complete chapter 1 because he keeps scrapping everything and starting over.
No.394031
Anonymous
>>394021
>>394022

Maybe you are asking the wrong questions. Maybe you should ask yourselves why you want to write it.

What is your reason for writing fanfiction?
Is there a story involving the characters or the setting that deserves to be told and cannot work to that extend without the connection to the source material?
Does your work reflect your appreciation of the source to some degree?

Writing fanfiction is just a 'silly' hobby like watching cartoons or playing videogames. Of course it's a "waste of time"; you do it for your amusement, not to earn money or better your social standing or for any other "meaningful" reason.
No.394032
Anonymous
I wish Facebook had a "Hide all friends posts that are just videos of their kids doing everyday shit" option.
No.394036
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Saw the therapist. Can't say I'm terribly inspired, but it was only a single meet-and-greet session. Talks in a very soft voice, which is probably helpful with other patients but I find it belittling. Made some suggestions that were not new to me and that I had not done in the past because I thought I couldn't succeed at them. Next appt is in two weeks, but hopefully I can get it to weekly; the system imposed on him (as part of a larger healthcare network) doesn't allow scheduling more than one appointment in advance, though he said he can make a note that would allow me to do so. I'll see how these first few sessions go.
No.394038
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>393992
>What would it take for the two to mix well?
For her to recognize your introversion and you to be willing to go to her things now and then. If you've hanged out a lot already she should have some idea that you're not a social individual, and since she agreed to go out with you that means she's okay with it to at least some extent. So long as you understand that she wants to go out and socialize in general and she understands that you don't want to go to every single thing you're invited to, it should be fine. She might also help you get comfortable being a bit more social, though that doesn't mean you'll start parading around rooms saying hello to everyone.

And, as far as social wrecks go, just meeting a girl puts you leagues above most people on *chans. That you asked her out and she said yes makes you at least wizard-tier.
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>>394031
>Maybe you should ask yourselves why you want to write it.
Mostly? Someone needs to write a story for the ship that isn't shit. Even if the series is kind of dead, there's some real dumb part of me that feels the need to do it justice, considering how long I have held on to it.
>What is your reason for writing fanfiction?
It's easy. I don't have to make my own characters with personalities and problems or anything, or a setting for all of it to take place in. It's all made for me, and I can do whatever the hell I want with what's there, and the fact that the series was canceled makes it even easier, as there is no possibility that I'll get Jossed.
>Is there a story involving the characters or the setting that deserves to be told and cannot work to that extend without the connection to the source material?
Pretty much. It's mostly character gratification, even if I intend to make the characters suffer. It wouldn't make a lick of sense without the source material, and I would never ever bother with writing something like this if it didn't exist.
>Does your work reflect your appreciation of the source to some degree?
Yup. I largely consider the story itself to be a representation of my affection for the series.

>Writing fanfiction is just a 'silly' hobby like watching cartoons or playing videogames.
Nah, it's way worse. You're not just watching or playing something, your taking an imaginary scenario using characters that aren't your own and most likely forcing them to make kissy faces at eachother. It requires an amount of investment into a series that is practically absurd, at least if you don't want it to be garbage like what 99% of fanfiction usually is.
It is far sillier than videogame and watching cartoons.
It is the guiltiest of guilty pleasures for me.

>>394023
HAHA NO
This is a shame I will take to my grave.
No.394045
Anonymous
>>394042
Once again I am reminded of the importance of perspective.

My perception of fanfiction differs from the average (the average being "it's always crappy romance or self-inserting into important characters' adventures") because what I look for is fairly specific.

On an objective level I kind of understand why you'd feel ashamed, but really, why does it matter? Who cares if it's incredibly nerdy and self-indulgent; it doesn't harm yourself or others, so why care? Not every part of your life needs to be productive or presentable.
No.394046
Nøpe
Is there a way to quickly look up Star Wars lore without having to deal with Wookieepedia's annoying past tense format?

I mean, I get why, but really it just makes it a little disjointing to read through. Especially if you're in the midst of playing a Star Wars game. You know, in the present.
No.394050
Anonymous
>>394042
People have won Hugo Awards for fanfiction. One of the most popular and lucrative musicals in recent memories is based on a fanfiction. Fanfiction is frequently assigned as required reading in English Literature classes. I think you're fine.
No.394051
Anonymous
It annoys me how when girls are unconfident, bipolar and irrational it's cute, but when guys are the same thing, it's unattractive.
No.394052
Anonymous
>>394051
Yeah, believe it or not that's an issue that is considered by feminists to be one of the ramifications of the Patriarchy. Socially enforced gender roles cause men a lot of problems too, and men who fall in to personality types and interests that are viewed as feminine are not only seen as less attractive by women, but seen as less manly by other men and therefore given shit about it because they're not being "what men are supposed to be." This is part of society's views of traits deemed as feminine to be inferior to traits deemed as masculine, and it's part of why it's so silly that a lot of men who would be well served by the feminist agenda have been conditioned to be opposed to it for the same reason--because you face social repercussions for feminine interests like feminism.

And even if you don't consciously think of it as "I would do this, but I don't want to face the repercussions," that stuff becomes so second nature to you due to conditioning that it doesn't even occur to you that that's the reason you're doing something. "Boys don't cry," or "Real men never go to the hospital unless they're unconscious and someone forces them," or "Real men don't let their emotions show," or "Real men don't do (whatever)." You hear it all your life and you just start to take it for granted, until you might really want to tell people what you're going through, but it no longer occurs to you to do so because society has conditioned you to believe that's not what you're supposed to do.

The reduction of the power of gender roles on society would mean that some women who have the urge to find a mate they can "protect" and/or support (this being the primary motivator for men who find that sort of thing in a woman attractive) would not suffer social repercussions for their choice in men, and men who need that same sort of protection/support would not see their own social status reduced for being, effectively, the "woman" in their relationship. These would just be things that are true about those people rather than things that make those people deviant and therefore deserving of ostracization.

Sorry you're going through that though.
No.394053
Nøpe
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>>394051
I don't think that's cute on anyone.
It's annoying at best and down right disturbing at worst.
No.394054
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
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>>394053
Agreed, I don't find that cute about anyone, female or male. Though it does seem to be tolerated more when the exhibitor is female.
No.394055
Anonymous
Replies:>>394056
>>394054
Wow no.
No.394056
Nøpe
Replies:>>394057
>>394055
I dunno. People seem less likely to get frustrated at women that behave that way than they do men.
But to be fair, it not like I've been studying social reaction and shit like that.

In any case, it shouldn't be tolerated from anyone. It should be helped. People deserve to be able to find peace of mind and emotional stability. Both for their own sake amd the sake of those around them.
No.394057
Anonymous
Replies:>>394058
>>394056
People keep saying that, I'm but 100% certain its the "grass is greener" effect.
No.394058
Anonymous
>>394057
You know all those tumblr comics of women being antisocial or in embarrassing situations, or just being general NEET nerds?

If it was a guy in that sort of lifestyle, the general response would be "You're pathetic and need to do something with your life." And for females it's "WILL YOU PLZ BE MY GF"
No.394059
Anonymous
>>394058
So one is advice and the other is objectification.

Hey, its cool. I get it.
You have your opinion and nothing's gonna change it.

But man at least note the fact that you lack perspective.
No.394060
Anonymous
Replies:>>394063
>>394058
Dude, there's the same comments on both versions - Why are being so selective?
No.394063
Anonymous
>>394059
>>394060
The point is, most guys who are NEET losers don't want to better themselves. In an ideal world, they'd want a loser gf to be a loser with them. That's where the "pls be my gf" comments come from. Women on the other hand, statistically, don't want that. They don't want to date themselves like men do, and wouldn't go for a loser bf, even if they themselves are losers.
No.394064
Anonymous
Replies:>>394066
>>394031
>Is there a story involving the characters or the setting that deserves to be told and cannot work to that extend without the connection to the source material?
>Does your work reflect your appreciation of the source to some degree?

Yes, yes and yes.

Honestly I'm pretty proud of the story I've come up with (though I shouldn't really say I came up with it, it is a fanfiction). It's the kind of thing I would've liked to read when I was like 12 and actually read fanfiction. I'd like to think some kid out there might stumble across it and have a lot of fun with it, like I did with all the dumb stories I liked back then.

Plus the reputation fanfiction has makes me want to write a really good one, partly out of spite but mostly because I think the idea of really good fanfiction is hilarious.

Maybe thinking some fanfiction I wrote is really good makes me an asshole but oh well whatever.

>>394042
I could have been a proofreader for you.
And it's not like your reputation on this site can affect your real life man, nobody here is gonna give a shit you write fanfics but me and you've honestly made me really curious. Come on. Come onnnnn.

I'll leave a review. I know firsthand how much you want one.
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This place can be worse than tumblr sometimes, I swear.

>>394064
FINE JEEZ
It's Invader Zim.
It's ZATR just kill me I feel like a tool for even typing that.
I'm not linking it. It's still on fanfiction.net if you want to find it and it has two chapters, but there are a few major things that I've planned to change, and it wouldn't really be right to read it as is. Also, I wrote those two chapters when I was like 18. I took certain liberties (like some swearing from characters and OOC-ness for the sake of humor) that are now on my No-No list.
No bully or I will cry.
No.394068
Anonymous
Replies:>>394073
>>394066
I believe in you, Anon. Make the best Fanfiction for a show that literally had a character turn into bologna.
No.394069
Anonymous
>>394059
>So one is advice and the other is objectification.
>you lack perspective
Is this kid serious? There are a hundred ways to look at those comments. One is an insult and the other is praise. One is disgust and the other is desire. One is activistic and the other is pathetic. You state your interpretation as a fact, and then insult someone else for not understanding different viewpoints. If you want to keep being a condescending twit to someone who is trying to state their opinion, then go to tumblr where people like that crap.
No.394071
Anonymous
>>394066
>ZATR
I have no idea what this means.

>I'm not linking it. It's still on fanfiction.net if you want to find it
There are more than 10,000 Invader Zim fanfictions on that site.

Just promise to post a link once you update it.
PROMISE

And is it just me or does fanficiton.net seem kind of dead? I swear it was way more active back when I was frequently reading stuff there. That was like ten years ago, but still.
No.394072
Anonymous
>>394071
>I have no idea what this means.
I just googled it, it's a shipping (Zim and Tak Romance). I have never actually seen the show though. I don't even fanfic either. This convo is interesting.
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>>394068
...It actually had two characters turn into bologna.
I will do it for you, Anon. It will be the greatest bunch of dumb bullshit centered on a couple of jerkass aliens. I will set this ship out to sea on a maiden voyage the likes of which no one has experienced. I will regret all of it, but it will still be done with love and care.

>>394071
>I have no idea what this means.
...Zim and Tak romance.
You actually went a looked for it, didn't you? Look, there's no way I'm gonna build up the guts to post it later, so I post it here and now whille I can.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4995066/1/When-I-m-Cleaning-Windows
Enjoy reading crap written by someone who had a tenuous grasp on basic grammar and made questionable decisions regarding the plot.

Yeah, the site's pretty damn dead these days. I think a lot of people went to tumblr or something.
No.394074
Anonymous
Replies:>>394075
>>394073
Alright, I reviewed it just like I said it would.

The first review is supposed to say "Anon from +4 here" but I guess ff.net's review system can't handle the plus sign so it just says "Anon from 4 here"

Or maybe I'm tired and forgot to hit +, I don't know.
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>>394074
I saw.
Arigatou gozaimashita, senpai.
No.394085
Anonymous
Replies:>>394086
I hate both memes and the twitch community, but goddamn I can't help but chuckle a little when I hear RIP in pepperonis.
No.394086
Anonymous
Replies:>>394088
>>394085
>I can't help but chuckle a little when I hear RIP in pepperonis.

I have no idea what meme you're referencing here. I've been spending less and less time on forums and the like, which I consider a good thing, but man it's surprising how quickly you fall out of touch with what's going on in the internet.

>>394075
np

And in case anyone wants to see what my dumb shit is like I doubt it but whatever here it is: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7453835/1/At-Game-s-End
No.394088
Anonymous
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>>394086
Hmh guess I'll just maybe give it a quick loOH MY GOD I LOVE THIS
No.394090
Anonymous
>>394088
WAIT.
IT SUDDENLY GOT GRIMDARK.

NOPE. THAT WAS WAY TOO BIG A TONAL DISSONANCE
WTH
WHY DID YOU DO THAT DEAR WRITER.

I APPRECIATE THE HUMOR YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE BUT SERIOUSLY?
No.394091
Chaplain Larry Tremaine
Replies:>>394092
Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger

I am happy to report that IHOP will accept most drunken apologies given at 3 AM, even if they aren't really directed toward them.
No.394092
Anonymous
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>>394090
I should probably change the warning in the foreword to "This is a dark comedy."

I thought the comedic elements were enough to offset the grimdark but maybe not. Most of the story is basically horrible shit happening to the characters but always being played for laughs. The exception to that is the part with Ilia getting killed, but that more serious moment was just for buildup so the [CENSORED] version of what happened to her would have better payoff as a joke.


Thanks a lot for letting me know what your reaction was, I really appreciate it. That said, if you or anyone else wants to keep talking about it please either use the review system or message me on fanfiction.net. I already feel like kind of an attention-whore for linking to the story without being asked to, and I don't want to derail the thread with it.

>>394091
There's clearly a story to this. Would you like to share with the class?
No.394093
TeethandHunger
>>394024
I have a laser pointer AND one of my walls in my living room is covered in mirror tiles....for some reason.
No.394095
Anonymous
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>>394092
Fun fact, I was just about to ask for a link when you yourself posted it.
No.394097
Anonymous
Replies:>>394099
He finally told me he loved me.

While he was drunk.

Despite remember other events that happened around the same time, he says he doesn't remember saying it.

So that sucks. When I told him about it he said "well, maybe I feel it but I have a hard time saying it."

Whatever.
No.394099
Anonymous
>>394097
Dump his ass.
No.394107
Anonymous
Replies:>>394109
Oh god, remember the crazy SJW friend I mentioned last thread? Now she's trying to claim that as an asexual she's super oppressed and trying to shoehorn herself into the greater LGBT struggle and be considered as a part of all these LGBT events and movements, even though you'd think her self-described "nanogirl" status would be a more valid excuse. If I was LGBT myself I would be facepalming so hard at this mockery.
No.394109
Anonymous
>>394107
Yeah, the thing is, while I recognize asexuality as a thing, I don't really see how asexuals are oppressed. Perhaps under-represented (though even then, is it so much that asexuals are underrepresented, or is it that asexual characters in fiction rarely bother labeling themselves? For example, a large chunk of protagonists in shonen anime are effectively asexual despite not treating it as a lifestyle--Monkey D. Luffy comes to mind).

But even that being said, I can see being an asexual could lead to being ANNOYED by other people trying to hook you up with people, or annoyed that culture tends to make a big deal about romance. But is anyone actually bullied, treated different by the law, or has anyone lost a job because of their asexuality?

By the way, to any asexuals in the thread, these are not merely meant to be rhetorical questions to prove a point. They're at least partially in earnest. If this stuff has been happening to you or to people you know, please tell me about it, I'm interested to hear. If I am simply ignorant of the suffering you're going through, I would like to be educated. But thus far I am not aware of any real oppression happening to asexuals beyond, at worst, lack of acknowledgement.
No.394111
Anonymous
Replies:>>394122
I know for sure that my friend's stance regarding this issue is unambiguously in the wrong, because a week before this she also started a big shitstorm with some of her other friends after she condemned the phrase "humans are sexual creatures" as hate speech against asexuals (thankfully for my sanity I stayed out of this one). I mean, I'm a complete virgin who's never really been interested in sex and perfectly fine with staying that way for the forseeable future, to the point I'd probably hold off on sex within a relationship unless we've been together for like years and mostly as a means for emotional intimacy, so I wouldn't consider myself a "sexual creature" by any means. But that's just ridiculous, and the opposite stance, slut shaming or whatever the fuck it may be, has probably caused way more harm over the centuries.

And does asexuality deserve to be under in the LGBT umbrella? No offense to the asexuals who do think it should be, but I figure absence of sexual interest is not the same as absence of gender or any other nonconventional orientation sexual interest/gender, which have had a history of honest to god abuse. The closest I can think of is virgin shaming, "they just need to get laid", or whatever, but that's just it. Bullying, people finding excuses to be mean, but not oppression. I can't think of anyone who's ever been beaten to death because they swore off the idea of having relationships in general as opposed to rejecting them with spiteful individuals.
No.394120
Anonymous
Replies:>>394123
I think the deal with asexuality isn't exactly opression - but this: not being actually considered a valid sexuality.

There's a difference with not getting laid/horny and being asexual. The main deal with asexuality is just validation.
Good on you guys for acting out precisely what the issue is about.
No.394122
Anonymous
>>394111
At least she's not calling herself a demisexual.
No.394123
Anonymous
Replies:>>394124
>>394120
You should count yourself lucky. The only reason people use labels is so they can stop treating the labelled as fully human. Once you are a labelled individual, you lose agency in the mind of those who apply that label. You are no longer "John," you are "John the Asexual." You are now treated as an instance of the Asexual Template. You see that as a force for solidarity among other asexuals, but for non-asexuals, it is used only as a force for enforcing Otherness. You identify yourself as no longer a member of whatever Tribe makes up the majority, and a member of another Tribe--and at the center of all Tribal groups is the assumption that any other tribe, including allied tribes, is a rival, in competition for resources. Perhaps not an enemy, but certainly not "One of Us," either.

You can pass in any tribe you choose to belong to. But in trying to set yourself apart, in your own tribe, you aren't fighting Tribalism, you are only increasing the number of tribes. When really our goal should be to eliminate these tribes, and treat others as individuals rather than as instances of templates. Not "John would not be interested in you Janet, he is a homosexual," but "You may be barking up the wrong tree, Janet, I've only ever seen John date guys."
No.394124
Anonymous
Replies:>>394128
>>394123
The whole labels thing goes two ways. Though sure, splitting what separates us is an ok goal, we shouldn't be saying "accept eachother DESPITE your differences" but more "accept eachother BECAUSE of your differences."

What one calls label, another calls part of their identity. Like nationality, school, where one's grown up or travelled. That stuff shapes you and its no reason to leave behind merely because you aren't accepted because of a facet of your life.
No.394125
Anonymous
Replies:>>394128
Regardless of whether people think asexuality is a kind of sexual orientation or not I'm pretty sure saying that people like to have sex doesn't even come close to being hate speech and anyone who says it is, tries to censor discussions of human sexuality in their presence, or tries to equate their struggles to more prominent LGBT groups deserves a sound slap to the face from someone who has suffered through true discrimination.
No.394128
Anonymous
>>394124
No, you're confusing what one does with what one calls oneself. Elimination of labels doesn't mean the elimination of different behaviors, it means treating those things as quirks of the individual rather than markers used to identify someone as a member of a tribe. There is no reason one has to "Identify as X" to continue doing the things that X currently does, or believing the things that X currently does. I do not have to Identify as a Gamer to play video games--and in fact, refuse to do so because the Gaming Community is horrible. You do not have to Identify as Asexual to be Asexual. You do not have to Identify as Black to continue observing the traditions of your african ancestors.

Obviously the "Identify as Black" one isn't something we can work with right now--this is about goals, not Current Reality. Right now, certain groups are classified as Other by society regardless of what they identify as. Black people will be regarded as Black regardless of whether they think of themselves so, because their Label is largely based on visual identifiers. Gay people will be regarded as Gay regardless of whether they identify as such if their sexual preferences are known. In those cases, the tribe has been created for you, and not acknowledging them only gives up the benefits--it doesn't eliminate the negative effects of those identities. In those cases, embracing one's label for solidarity makes perfect sense for as long as people continue to see these people as Other.

>>394125
>censor
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
No.394129
Anonymous
Telling friends how dare they talk about sex on Facebook because the site is her safe space and they're giving her panic attacks by making her remember past discrimination for being an asexual sounds like censorship to me.
No.394133
Anonymous
>>394129
That's not censorship, that's just being a whiny asshole. It's not like they can delete their messages or block them from continuing to talk about it and ignore them.
No.394134
Anonymous
>>394129
>censorship
You keep using that word...
No.394135
Anonymous
>>394129
Being a shitty person who makes LGBT people look bad =/= censorship.
No.394137
Anonymous
>>394129
No, that is called "suffering the consequences of saying something." Having to deal with the social ramifications of having said something is not censorship. It is how dialogue works.
No.394140
Anonymous
>>394129
I see it as one of two things, she is quite possibly lying as an excuse to force people to cater to her whims (which happens quiiiiite a lot especially with the kinds of people who frequent Tumblr and LJ), or she's extremely emotionally fragile to begin with and therefore people do need to be careful and avoid talking with her in general.
No.394141
Anonymous
>>394095
Hm. Well I'd be happy to talk about it if it doesn't really bother anyone. Or we could just start a fanfiction/writing thread on /coc/.

>>394090
Would you mind telling me what part of the story the tonal dissonance became a problem? Was it Ilia's death scene or did it happen before that? I'm gonna trim down the last two chapters and try to add some more funny lines, but it'd help to know which part began to throw you off and why.
No.394143
Anonymous
>>394140
>she is quite possibly lying as an excuse to force people to cater to her whims
You say it as if these are powerful people.
Its just a person on the internet complaining about people on the internet.
Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, Stormfront,... its the same principle but you're just focusing on the example you disagree with.

>>394141
I was reading through it too and the Ilia death scene was VERY much out of left field. There was no build up, an at no point did the story even imply it'd get that dark.
No.394144
Anonymous
>>394143
Well it's still pretty douchey in principle to make up an illness and paint yourself as a false martyr just because you don't like what your friends are talking about. There are more reasonable ways to change the subject than jumping straight to "you guys are a bunch of assholes, stop triggering me!". If that's how you're gonna be, it's not much of a friendship.
No.394145
Anonymous
Replies:>>394147
>>394140
To be fair, it's not the first time she's done this. She's upper middle class and lives in one of the safest neighborhoods in my hometown (Boston), yet a year ago she mentioned that she's sometimes deathly afraid of leaving her house and going to class because she's worried she'll get raped or killed because of her race, and here she is now advocating violence against white people because of their race, the irony.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but that was probably the first big warning sign even before she dove headfirst into the Attack on Titan fandom. I don't want to unfriend her because it would be rude, and she still considers herself to be on good terms with me despite the previous incident, but I wish there was some way to put some perspective into her and show just how offensive and trivializing she can be without falling over all her SJW tripwires. And unless something extreme happened to her within the last two and a half years since we went apart, I highly doubt she has legit PTSD or any other such mental disability. She used to be able to talk politics with other people and agreeing to disagree instead of resorting to bullshit tactics when she didn't like where the argument was going like language policing (OK so I admit censorship was the wrong word to use. Language policing is probably more appropriate, but it doesn't change the fact that what she's doing is still pretty stupid).
No.394147
Anonymous
>>394145
>she is now advocating violence against white people because of their race
...

...are you SURE "sjw" is the phrase you wanna describe her with?
No.394148
Anonymous
Replies:>>394151
>>394141
Yeah, I just thought that was completely ... random.
So far you built up this comedic "lol vidya amirite?" position during a rainy night with the highest peril at that point being "Mario went poof but without the poof/The princess is gone you little perv!".
Then suddenly going "And then there she was picking flowers after scolding link to get BUTTCHEEKS out for a run and OH NO GORE GORE SLASH SLINGING SLASHER"

So
yeah
No.394151
Anonymous
Replies:>>394154
>>394143
>>394148
Okay, thanks for the feedback.

The reason I made that part so overly dark was because I thought that more contrast between that and the overly safe censored version would make the censored version funnier, but I guess I took it too far. I'll probably just rewrite the whole encounter and scrap that joke idea since it necessitates going grimdark for a moment. I thought it was funny enough to be worth it but oh well.

The main thing I'm trying to improve on is mixing humor with different kinds of suspense. I was expecting to eventually hit a snag like this where the balance is off. Glad to know you enjoyed it up to that point, at least.
No.394152
Anonymous
I finally found that music video. The one that used to play on Jane Doe's livestream. Probably something really popular that should have already been in my bookmarks, but whatever.
//youtube.com/watch?v=vMGSH0J0dUUyoutube thumb
No.394154
Anonymous
Replies:>>394164
>>394151
I enjoyed it afterwards, and you do have some writing chops and I will admit I laughed a bit.
It just didn't benefit the story as a whole.

Anyway, when are you thinking of updating again?
I really would like to read more.
No.394160
Anonymous
From this day forth, I will stop taking anything my parents say seriously.

Today they attempted to convince me that being wealthy and strong enough to easily protect a girl is more important than you both making each other happy.
No.394161
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394160
Did they also ask when you were going to buy a house
No.394163
Anonymous
>>394160
I hope you don't have a sister. Because if you do, I feel for what her self esteem may be like.
No.394164
Anonymous
>>394154
It'll probably be at least two weeks before the next update, I've got schoolwork to take care of and I want to edit that one chapter first. Plus some other stuff I gotta do.

>you do have some writing chops
uguu~
No.394165
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Saw yet another doc today, this one said "fuck it, hard stuff" and has me starting a higher dose of Venlafexin ER (Extended Release) at the end of the end of the week; I take the regular Venlafexin (non-ER) I have now until then.

I'm not big on taking meds for depression, as three past attempts all went nowhere. Especially since the regular venlafexin leaves me gassy and groggy, but supposedly those will disappear after a few weeks and aren't as bad with the ER, anyway...
No.394168
Anonymous
Sickness season is starting. I haven't been this sick in a long time. The last time I've been to a doctor was five years ago when I was hit by a car.
No.394178
Anonymous
Those new 10 Euro bills look really nice. Fresh money looks nice in general, though.
No.394179
arctiida
A while back I did some really dumb shit over the last 4 months and lost all my friends, who I've known for a few years. It fucking hurts and I still have to actively stop myself from checking their facebooks, twitters, etc. and seeing them happy without me. There is no peace from this hell.

In other news, I'm using a blank page of my sketchbook as a plate for my sandwich because I'm too lazy. I've hit a new low.
No.394180
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394187
>>394179
That sucks, I hope you're able to patch things up with them.
No.394181
Anonymous
Replies:>>394182
Friendly reminder to BACK UP YOUR FUCKING FILES. NOW. LIKE RIGHT FUCKING NOW. AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS.

I just had a scare. Lost some things but was able to access the most important things.
No.394182
Anonymous
>>394181
I keep all the things that would really need recovery in either Dropbox or Google Drive anyway.
No.394185
Nøpe
I am just about at my wits end.
What is with this prevailing attitude that demands people find a group, single out the most negative aspects connected to it, regardless of the individuals involved, and use it to fully damn every last person associated with it?

How is that logical? How is that helping anything? What are you trying to protect that is more valuable than developing our overall social understanding? I mean, can someone explain this to me?
I don't understand it at all. I don't even know how to properly word what frustrates me about it.
It's like there's a level of defensiveness so strong that some people go full on offensive. Damn the whole for the actions of a few, attack them before they attack you.

I just don't get it.
No.394187
arctiida
Replies:>>394201
>>394180
I can say without a doubt that things will never be patched up. I fucked up hard and I've lost them for good. None of them really gave that much of a shit about me anyways. Nothing is ever going to replace them or being able to chill in skype and shoot the shit with some of them. The last few days in particular have been pretty difficult. I've done nothing but browse 4chan, talking to nobody.

I should have just been less trusting and more manipulative, deceitful, and mercenary with them, really. I was too honest and open.
No.394188
Anonymous
>>394185
Path of least resistance and psychological self-defense mechanisms. People oversimplify complex issues because that's easier (== less stressful) for them. People refuse to consider opposing viewpoints because their subconscious is trying to protect them from mental integrity failure.

People are rarely driven by hard logic.
No.394189
Anonymous
Ebola in America has the CDC emailing nurses like my mom offering airfare, hotel costs, and other stuff in order to get people to train others on how to properly use the protective gear for it. She's pretty freaked out about it.
No.394190
Thirteen !!PEPfdTX0AFY
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Yep. Jobi's dying. His kidneys are going out, he's lost almost all his weight, and he seems to be unable to walk now. He's not getting past Hallowe'en.
No.394191
Anonymous
>>394179
Been there.
Oh how I've been there.
Hope shit gets better for ye.

>>394185
A group is as good as the best and as bad as the worst.
That's very much implicit in any group you willingly join.
Like, thats one of the things you're signing up for.

"Hey, are you willing to be associated with this? Yes? Then join. No? Then don't."

Its like that with p much everything.
No.394192
Anonymous
>>394185
>Someone threatens a school shooting/bombing in the name of a movement.
>"Man we're not all like that."
No.394193
Anonymous
>>394192
Heh. More like
>"we just want kotaku to have objective reviews!"
No.394194
arctiida
Replies:>>394197
>>394191
How did you get over it? I'm atrocious at meeting and getting to know new people.
No.394195
Thirteen !!PEPfdTX0AFY
How do you enter a thread now, anyways? I don't see an option that let's you do it without quoting someone.
No.394196
Anonymous
Replies:>>394201
>>394192
>>394193
Anyone who gives a damn (and boy do I use "gives a damn" loosely as the only people who get angry at kotaku in 2014 are people who are looking to get angry) about game reviews needs to distance themselves away from Gamergate.

Aside from the fact that the pool is already poisoned with manbabies and misogynists, why in the hell would you want to associate with people who threaten terrorism?

And while +4 seems to be a whole lot more intelligent than say 4chan , don't bother defending this with "well it's just the internet!". If there was ever a "wild west" age of the internet where you could say whatever you want and not have it taken seriously, we are far beyond that time. We're in the age where people say moronic shit and then actually bother to follow up on it.
No.394197
Anonymous
>>394194
It was a pretty tough climb for me, because I brought most of that friend-losing upon myself with my shitty behaviour and actually abusing their care for me. I wanted to burn bridges with people I honestly called friends and got what my dumb ass wanted at the time.

Getting over it involved a crap load of soul searching and finding something I personally found fulfilling.
I guess I tried my best to find a passion for something and in doing so, I became friends with whomever was associated with said interest.
Yeah, most people are online friends, but... I dunno, guess thats up to you if you wanna pursue.

I guess the main thing I did was try to be good to myself.
And everything else followed.

I'm not even sure I'm completely recovered from the consequences of my behaviour back then. Personally.
But at least I...
I dunno. I think I'm smarter from it.

>>394195
At the VEEERRRY bottom there's a "reply" line.
No.394198
Anonymous
>>394195
Click the post number.
No.394201
Nøpe
Replies:>>394204
>>394187
>>394191
I think I just need to vent a bit. I'm just so tired of seeing people use hate in guise of heroism. From anyone.
Seeing someone shoot the flock to harm the foul doesn't seem right.
>>394192
>>394193
>>394196
This whole Gamersgate nonsense is only is only one tiny portion of a whole issue that's been under my skin for years. There have been other instances recently, but I won't bother to bring those up. Don't get me wrong, I want strong journalistic integrity and less power to gamer journalism in general, but I don't define myself as a participant of the movement exactly because of this problem.
People have done terrible things in the name of many well intentioned movements throughout all of time. but moments of tragedy and idiocy by lone idiots should not define the groups, unless claimed by their leaders. Especially dangerous in these days of easy anonymity and unorganized hashtag activism. Every vaguely organized point of that recent movement was eager to warn others not to threaten those involved.

My moral compass basically boils down to 'Don't forcefully interfere in others lives unless they request it'. Obviously that encompass acts of ending lives. These threats of terrorism are inexcusable, but only by those that made the threats. Like I said, I just needed to vent my frustrations somewhere. Thank you for hearing me out. I feel a bit calmer about everything.
Apathy is death.
No.394203
Anonymous
Replies:>>394206
>>394185
In a lot of cases, the reason people blame the entire group for the actions of some members of that group is that the group is rarely willing to fully address the problem members of the group and condemn them the way that they deserve. Either you get a situation like the police, where the "good cops" refuse to bear witness against the bad cops, or you get a situation like Gamers, where rather than address the problems inherent to Gamer culture, they prefer to make "Not all Gamers" arguments about how "That guy doesn't REALLY represent us." Somehow, these people keep showing up, and they do not feel like they are likely to face ostracization for their behavior from the people they view as peers--because they won't suffer ostracization for their behavior from their peers. Because a large portion of gamers are the sorts of nerds who avoid real world conflict, even if avoiding conflict means enabling toxic behavior.

You've said yourself that your policy is basically "Don't interfere with other's lives." In most cases, that's laudable behavior. But in a lot of situations, refusing to interfering in other people's lives is tacit approval of their behavior. By refusing to speak up when these people treat other people badly--engaging in bullying or propagating toxic philosophies amongst your peer groups--you are telling them "I do not disapprove of your behavior."

Because they can't see inside your mind. They don't know you disapprove if you don't say anything. And lack of disapproval is effectively approval. These people believe that their behavior represents the majority opinion, and that they are therefore justified in their behavior, because too many people who do disapprove of their behavior are unwilling to say so for fear of causing conflict.

If you do approve of their behavior, then that's fine. But if you don't, you should be aware of the fact that you are contributing to the problem by not fighting it. And that is why people lump you in with the people who are engaging in the behavior itself. Because while you might not approve of that behavior inside your own head, the behavior you engage in tells the people who do engage in that behavior that their behavior is acceptable.
No.394204
Anonymous
Replies:>>394206
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>>394201
Dude, Gay Mergate as an initiative is dumb to begin with. There's no games journalism to begin with. Its just press releases and opinion pieces otherwise known as Reviews.
This shit's been true since fucking EGM.

People are getting pissed over Ad Spaces. A piece of the industry, not a critical look AT the industry. Its all ad space.

This shit should have kept being bottled up. Because actual journalistic outlets we being developed. Under the radar, and legitimately. And that shit goes with the growth of video games as a medium. Shit is still a fucking baby as far as freaking mediums go.
But now, this excuse for doxxing and harrassment comes up.
No.394205
arctiida
I'm heavily inclined to believe that gamergate is nothing more than sexist bullshit masqueraded as caring about the state of video game journalism (which is a joke in itself, tbh). This is evidenced by the entire movement repeatedly exposing women online to actual danger by leaking their personal information.

If they actually gave a shit about "gaming" then they would have raised this shitstorm over more important things. Things like Crytek refusing to pay their employees on time, Gamespot firing Jeff Gerstmann over the Kane & Lynch incident, the atrocious working conditions of the game industry itself, etc.

Not "Small time female indie developer is promiscuous and cheated on her boyfriend." That's a ridiculous hill to die on.
No.394206
Nøpe
Replies:>>394208
>>394203
>But in a lot of situations, refusing to interfering in other people's lives is tacit approval of their behavior.
And my very policy is in disapproval of those actions.
I do voice my disapproval of the evils of others that would connect with my group, but I rarely attach myself to groups because I suppose I'm cautious of being pre-judged due to it. No more fanbases, no more politics, no more subculture. It's all too much drama for my taste and I'm tired of trying to explain myself to the sort of person who assumes the worst of me because someone shat on the rug at our party. If I could find a party where no one shat on the god damn rug, I would probably look into it, but for some horrible reason demanded by fate, every God damned party on this fucking internet has to have at least one wretched little malefactor has to lay their stinky little brown polyps right where I want to stand.
>>394204
I don't think it's wise to ignore the very real impact that reviews have on developers and gamers alike. It's easy enough to say that you can just ignore them, but for better or worse these things really do affect our hobby in a fairly substantial way. I don't think asking for credibility and integrity (especially concerning relationship transparency) is a bad thing. Death threats, harassment, doxxing are though. Shit moves birthed by cowardly thoughts and I will never support them.
If people have already made up their minds about it, what point would my words make? Would it just be dismissed as just a "Not all X" excuse?
No.394207
Anonymous
Replies:>>394209
So you finally get why groups and identifying as groups as an idea is shit.

Took you a while.
No.394208
Anonymous
Replies:>>394210
>>394206
No see, thats the thing.
Wanting integrity in media? Thats fine.
Using bullshit arguments like "Bitch slept with this guy for coverage/reviews/awards" which wasn't even god damn true which seems to be the thing that initiated the whole thing is, as I've said, bullshit.

(Man, people were on Zoe's shit for EVER. Way before this started.
You think this is anything other than them bouncing on it?)

Like, yeah. I'm glad you can tell how crap this whole thing is.

Sigh.
So yeah, also identifying with websites (I'm guessing this has to do with the 'sting' you get with anyone saying "lel 4chan is tresh" on twitter and having a really cute bunny webcomic at the same time) but the truth is, why would anyone want to identify AS A GROUP with a website is beyond me.
I went to 4chan.
Does it offend me to be told 4chan is, as some would say, tresh?
Nah.
I'm not THE website.
I don't believe in what a vast majority of the website believe in.

Therefore I am not 4chan.
Same with tumblr. And I'd say same with being a weiner-haver in the sense that I get the "Bro culture" surrounding it is pretty much 99% of weiner-havers.
...

Anyway, there's people who're doing stuff for vidya jernalism who don't go under Gamer G8.
You could look into thta.
No.394209
Nøpe
>>394207
What do you mean? I haven't conscientiously committed myself with a group in 3 years. At least I don't think so.
I just don't think it's right to dismiss one person based on the actions of another when the only thing connecting them is an ideal not wholly related to whatever ill deed what actually performed.
I think joining together for a cause or something as simple as enjoying a show is a powerful and entertaining tool, but the eagerness to bite each others heads off because a few idiots don't know or want to play fair is just too much. There's a blood lust there I don't want to be near.
No.394210
Nøpe
Replies:>>394211
>>394208
>Using bullshit arguments like "Bitch slept with this guy for coverage/reviews/awards" which wasn't even god damn true
It wasn't? I can't say I was following it closely enough to find out. Like I said earlier, it was just one of many things that have been happening that lead me to my first post. Politics, religion, sexuality, and fandoms. The usual suspects , but all at once while I've already been feeling il and tired from a lack of full sleeping hours.

In any case, I appreciate the discussion.
No.394211
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394210

>It wasn't?

At best, the guy who wrote for Kotaku wrote a few sentences about Depression Quest after he'd started a relationship with Zoe. He didn't write a review of DQ for the site. I haven't seen any actual evidence that Zoe used sex to get better coverage or whatever.

And really, though the GG "side" won't admit it (for PR reasons), that is how this whole Gamergate mess got started: people got pissed at Quinn, figured out that wasn't a good look, and pivoted to "CORRUPT GAME JOURNALISM" to distance themselves from the constant barrage of attacks on Quinn.

Now they're using conspiracy theory nutter language ("false flag", "shill", "redpill", et al), openly trying to disprove the legitimacy of every instance of a "threat" made towards anti-GG people (e.g. the recent threat towards USU and Anita Sarkeesian), and doing absolutely jack shit in terms of trying to solve the myriad issues of games journalism (especially the coziness of AAA devs/publishers and major gaming sites like IGN).

And while they'll do everything possible to distance themselves from the misogyny and the namecalling and the hate, they'll never be able to undo the damage of being seen as in league with the fools who do that sort of bullshit. (Especially if all they do is sit around on 8chan and circlejerk themselves about how they can see through the false flags or whatever.) By the admission of a pastebin in one of the 8chan/gg/ stickies, GG has no real organization and no goals/objectives/demands/etc. They say this is done to avoid the possibility of cause corruption/distraction, but it also makes them look like a bunch of idiots flailing around because they're pissed at some pet issue and can't really do anything about it.

You know what other famous "group" did that sort of thing just a few years ago? Occupy Wall Street.
No.394212
Anonymous
Replies:>>394226
Keep in mind harassment and death threats are going both ways. People in general are just assholes.
No.394213
Anonymous
If anything GamerGate has granted the gaming press complete immunity from criticism because they can just point at that fucking maelstrom of hate and retardation and go "you're THAT if you don't agree with us".
No.394214
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394211
>They say this is done to avoid the possibility of cause corruption/distraction, but it also makes them look like a bunch of idiots flailing around because they're pissed at some pet issue and can't really do anything about it.
It also leaves them open to radical elements taking over the idea to promote their own bullshit, which is basically what happened from the beginning. Just like Anonymous: no recognizable leadership allows anyone to claim their actions are part of the group at large.

>>394213
It doesn't grant them anything, but many are acting like it does.
No.394215
Anonymous
>>394211
IIRC part of what caused it to really blow up were the DMCAs and huge post nukes. Regardless of whether the accusations were true (chances are they aren't), that certainly didn't help and probably got a lot of otherwise non-political people on edge.
No.394216
Anonymous
Just discovered frosting shots exist. America has gone too far.
No.394222
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394213

No, it doesn't. You can advocate for a change to journalistic ethics within the gaming journalism world without having to align yourself with GamerGate.

(Fat chance of that change ever happening without a massive sea change in how the gaming journalism world deals with AAA publishers, though.)
No.394223
Anonymous
>>394213
EA already tried that a few years ago ("people who don't like Dragon Age 2 are HOMOPHOBES"). It's unlikely to stick because neutral/anti-GullibleGate people who care won't be any less likely to call out corporate bullshit.

GoofusGate isn't going to, say, stop Jim Sterling from taking a dump on whatever dumb ripoff scheme becomes popular with the industry next.

It surely won't stop the usual suspects from trying though.

Lesson: don't drink /pol/'s kool-aid if you want to be taken seriously. Diplomacy is a thing.
No.394224
Anonymous
>>394211
>You know what other famous "group" did that sort of thing just a few years ago? Occupy Wall Street.
OWA *did* have goals--bringing attention to Income Inequality (which it succeeded at) and bringing about campaign finance reform, and continues to operate. WolfPAC is an OWS project and is doing a lot of good in helping to support political candidates, and OWS has bought out and erased several million dollars in student loan debt as well.
No.394225
Anonymous
>>394211
In fact, didn't the original post from the ex-boyfriend detaling Quinn's supposed infidelity state that whatever misdeeds Quinn did, buying good reviews with sex explicitly wasn't one of them.
No.394226
Anonymous
>>394212
Yeah, IIRC part of the reason TotalBiscuit (who seems like an otherwise decent guy, similar to Jim Sterling) is even throwing his lot in with the GamerGate folks is because of legit social justice warriors excoriating him for what was a cynical but fairly reasonable attitude and poisoning him against them, letting him be suckered into being a useful idiot and throwing his credibility away trying to fit his non-political square peg into their right-wing hole when he would've served better as a figurehead for a third faction of aggrieved non-political gamers.
No.394227
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y
There's basically no excuse for supporting the Gamergaters. They're basically just conspiracy theorists, imagining a vast cabal of evil feminists and SJWs working to destroy their hobby by making Depression Quest popular. They're so fixated on this narrative that it never even occurs to them that it's a bit ridiculous to go chasing after broke indies as the source of all evil in the industry when the too-close relationship between rich publishers and slavish publications is right over there.

But because they're conspiracy theorists, there's no sense arguing with them, any more than there's any sense arguing with someone who thinks the moon landing was faked, or that Obama was born in Kenya to be a muslim sleeper agent and destroy America. The only thing to do, really, is ridicule them. At great length. Whenever they pop their heads out.
No.394228
Anonymous
>>394227
On the one hand, Depression Quest IS kind of a crappy game in this day and age (nobody cares about Zork anymore and that still gave you a lot more freedom), and it would be annoying to see the market flooded with imitations. On the other hand, all that does is add maybe a few minutes of digging through crap to find what you like. Nobody is forcing you to buy them nor does it stop people from making more mechanically-accomplished or socially indifferent games either. Who fucking cares. All it will really do is make the game industry expand to cater to a variety of non-competing audiences. I mean, the live-action genre now encompasses all sorts of things like films, miniseries, TV shows, Youtube clips, and generally you don't see them cannibalizing each other.
No.394229
Anonymous
Replies:>>394230
>>394227
Then there's also the fact that they're p.o.'d because "sjws and political correctness are censoring muh gaem reviews! I don't know what to buy anymore!" Insisting games get given certain scores based on what sjws tell them, or because a reviewer is an sjw.
Like

...
ugh.
No.394230
Anonymous
>>394229
>Insisting games get given certain scores based on what sjws tell them, or because a reviewer is an sjw.
See, and one of the big problems with that is that they are often the same people that insist that games can be art, and art criticism is not expected to be objective or unbiased. Criticism is about subjective experience and is often informed by the politics of the critic and of the times, and what the piece of art says both about the artist and about the time they live in.

Not that scores are really something associated with criticism anyway. Criticism is supposed to take the form of essays, not report cards. Game reviews are almost never games criticism.
No.394232
Anonymous
>>394230
Well, Polygon did take several points away from their ratings of Dragon's Crown and Bayonetta 2 because of perceived sexism in the games which had nothing to do with the gameplay. It's not a problem right now since it's only a handful of people doing it right now. But it could become a problem in the future in the extremely unlikely situation that other institutions follow their lead and rate game based on perceived political agendas when there are a myriad of more important, objective things to look at like controls/camera/framerate/glitches. But that's only because of the way Metashitic is systematically fucking people over based on arbitrary numbers like what happened to the guys behind Fallout: New Vegas. If we switched to a Rotten Tomatoes system then it shouldn't even need to matter and these GamerGate loons wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Also, just because this nightmare scenario i described is the barest shred of possible doesn't mean it will. It's a fucking bogeyman at this point. Besides, if we ever escalate there I can guarantee you there will also be equally retarded rightwing reviewers who will give Bayonetta 2/10 scores elsewhere for promoting misandry or claim Assassin's Creed glorifies terrorism. And it's not like journalists aren't doing this in a nonpolitical sense already and rating games unfairly high because they want the triple A ad monies.
No.394233
Anonymous
>>394232
>But it could become a problem in the future
But see, my point here is: how is this a problem? If we were to accept as a given that games are art rather than mere leisure, then one must judge the entire experience created by the game, and not just the gameplay. If the critic in question has less positive experience because of the politics of the game, then there is absolutely no reason their critique shouldn't be more negative because of it.

Like, let's extrapolate this to the point of absurdity: let's imagine someone makes this game. It has the best gameplay of all time, and redefines video games in some fundamental way because of how much fun it is. However, the game is a game where you play a guy who likes to fuck toddlers, and while the gameplay itself doesn't actually involve fucking toddlers, the political philosophy behind the game is one which says that fucking toddlers is virtuous, and it hits you over the head with this diatribe in pretty much every cutscene. It's like an Ayn Rand novel, only instead of making everything revolve around fellating the rich, it all revolves around infant rape. There are frequent, disturbing scenes of the child predator you play abducting children and abusing them, and this character is presented as heroic for doing so.

Now a fair reviewer might well note that the gameplay is admittedly fun, in the same way that modern film critics continue to hold up movies like The Birth of a Nation as examples of a strong understanding of the craft of filmmaking. But the experience that a person has playing this game is likely to make them supremely uncomfortable in a way that makes the game less enjoyable for them. Is it not fair for reviewers to dock this game points for the subject matter and/or trappings despite the fact that it is otherwise a well-made game?

I feel that reviewers should be not only allowed, but encouraged to reduce the scores of video games that make the experience of playing them less enjoyable even if the ways in which this negativity is expressed are not directly related to gameplay or due to bad craftsmanship. Because ultimately the goal of a review is to tell people whether or not they will enjoy something. And because no reviewer is ever going to give an objective or unbiased review, I think that the simple fact that something bothers them for moral or political reasons is all the justification needed for a negative review.
No.394234
Anonymous
Replies:>>394235
When are we not gonna talk about the Mamermate stuff?
No.394235
Anonymous
Replies:>>394240
>>394232
>Well, Polygon did take several points away from their ratings of Dragon's Crown and Bayonetta 2 because of perceived sexism in the games which had nothing to do with the gameplay

So what?

If it's part of the game, it's up for grabs to be criticized. I don't have a problem with either game (well, I actually think the character design in Dragon's Crown looks godawful, but this criticism of mine applies to the male designs as well--but this is aside the point: I don't find DC offensive, personally) and people should be able to speak their mind about how they feel about it.

Also, the idea that games are getting reviewed to fit some "agenda" is retarded beyond belief. I could also make the argument that people who reviewed Dragon's Crown well had an agenda. But I won't. Because that would be retarded.

In fact, I have issue with you calling this an agenda in the first place. MAYBE the people who wrote the review actually feel that way. And you know what? That's fine. They can feel how ever they want about the game.

>>394233
>And because no reviewer is ever going to give an objective or unbiased review, I think that the simple fact that something bothers them for moral or political reasons is all the justification needed for a negative review.

This is a good point. First off, it lets the person reading the review what they're getting into. Maybe they find the content objectionable. Well cool, now they don't have to play the game. And for people who don't find the content objectionable? Well, they can ignore that part of the review, knowing that they aren't personally bothered by the material and can play it without an issue. A "negative" serves two purposes here.

Like look at it this way, this time using gameplay features. Let's say someone writes a review for Resident Evil 1, and one of the negatives they list is that the game is only like 4-5 hours long for a casual playthrough. Now for a person expecting a 20-30 gargantuan adventure, yes, this is going to turn them off. For people like me, whoever, who enjoy short romps will be right on board with the game's length.

>>394234
Not too much longer, but this discussion is tame as hell.
No.394236
Anonymous
>>394232
>Well, Polygon did take several points away from their ratings of Dragon's Crown and Bayonetta 2 because of perceived sexism in the games which had nothing to do with the gameplay.
Games are more than their gameplay.

Who cares if they took points from that.

Its a review.

Its opinion.

Not law.
No.394237
Anonymous
>>394236
Also, hypothetically, if game A and game B had 10/10 gameplay but game A had a 10/10 story as opposed to game B's 6/10 story...I'm going to call game A the better game.

Also games have been docked points for non-gameplay reasons for years. And you know, that's not a bad thing either. Going off of my previous Resident Evil example, graphics matter. Do you think that series would be as popular and legendary is it is if the graphics looked like absolute shit?
No.394238
Anonymous
I gotta say, it kind of hurts to read some of these comments you guys are making.

I mean, I get having dissenting opinions about a movement, and I think criticizing actions that are just plainly wrong is completely fine and should be encouraged if anything. Debate is a wonderful thing to me, and I think this is a matter that should be examined from every angle.

But it feels like there is no welcoming of discussion here. Anyone who feels that Gamergate isn't a misogynist fueled endeavor or who doesn't think it's a huge load of horseshit filled with idiots that comes here is asking to be ridiculed harshly. It would be different if so many users here didn't so often hold plus4 up as a bastion of intelligent and open discussion populated by a pretty chill userbase.

Or if I myself hadn't often thought of it that way.

I have never felt uninvited or unwanted in this place before now. I am honestly scared of even posting this for fear of mockery.
No.394239
Anonymous
>>394238
>I have never felt uninvited or unwanted in this place before now. I am honestly scared of even posting this for fear of mockery.

lmao

If I'm going to mock you for anything, it's this post. Yeah, I called some things retarded (and if that truly hurt you, I'm sorry), but no one told you to GTFO or anything. Just because we disagree with something doesn't mean you aren't welcome.

And I hate that attitude, mostly because I've seen people try to call this place a hugbox, when it's anything but. Especially considering you're here.
No.394240
Anonymous
>>394237
>>394236
>>394235
>>394233
>>394232
>>394230
>>394230
Honestly I don't think any of this would need to be an issue if they just got rid of things like Metacritic in the first place. That way, even people with conservative political views who deduct points from GTA because of the gore or for not being 'child-friendly", or Xenosaga for it's use of Christian themes, or Final Fantasy and Tales of games because of the androgynous designs, homoeroticism, and female combatants (yes I've seen people actually do that in the late 2000's) wouldn't have influence either.
No.394241
Anonymous
>>394237

>hypothetically, if game A and game B had 10/10 gameplay but game A had a 10/10 story as opposed to game B's 6/10 story...I'm going to call game A the better game.
That irritates me. Not because a game having a strong story is a bad thing, but because of how gameplay is so often divorced from the story. That just tells me the appreciation for the mediums most original aspect is pointless in comparison with typical verse. Why bother with games as a medium all if the gameplay is just side fluff to get you to the next cut scene or exposition?
No.394242
Anonymous
>>394238
>Debate is a wonderful thing to me
I'm sure its wonderful to all of us.

>Anyone who feels that Gamergate isn't a misogynist fueled endeavor or who doesn't think it's a huge load of horseshit filled with idiots that comes here is asking to be ridiculed harshly.
Thats because they have no idea what they're on about.

This keeps coming up.

Wanting journalistic transparency? Thats great.
But Namernate isnt about that. Someone a lot of people didn't like gave them a chance to harass, blackmail and abuse them. And they took it. The points of said debate haven't been at any point anything other than "Feminists and EssJayWoos" and how they've been trying to make a hostile environment for them for years.
No.394243
Anonymous
Replies:>>394247
>>394241
Ah dude like in GTA4. Remember that?
How the story was about this former Serbian soldier turned mobster wanted to find a life of success in the US, but was haunted by his inner demons and ghosts of his past?

...
And how the gameplay just ended up being shoot people go on dates with friends, drive irresponsibly?
As fun as it was *cough* that kept up until the very end of the game.
No.394244
Anonymous
>>394240
I'm reminded of the Armond White debacle with Toy Story 3.
No.394245
Anonymous
>>394240

I've heard of "Metacritic bonuses" that developers get if their game rates so high on MC, but I've never personally investigated this, so take it with a grain of salt.

My issue with reviews is the number. Not that they give the number, but because people put so much focus on that when a truly well written review will tell you if a game is for you through the text.

BACK to the Resident Evil example. Since I like it, let's say I give RE1 a 8/10. Those guys I was talking about earlier, the ones that wanted gargantuan 20-30 hour games? Well, they should actually read my text instead of just scrolling to the number, because what's a positive for me in a video game is not a positive for everyone else in a video game.

Another example is something like GTA. Some people love free roam games (I'm in this camp) whereas others do not. People who don't like third person shooting mechanics, driving, and open world freedom are not going to like GTA. These people may not review the game highly, while someone like me would.

Honestly, if anything all this seems to be good. The more experiences we get out there, the more dissenting opinions we get. The more dissenting opinions we get, the less things become echo chambers.
No.394246
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394258
>>394238

You want to discuss corruption in gaming journalism? I have no problem with that. You want to discuss the nature of game reviews, objective vs. subjective, and other such issues? I welcome that discussion. You want to discuss the nature of games as art, the misogyny tossed towards women in the gaming industry, the way games tackle social issues, and all of that? Go right the hell ahead.

But Gamergate was born as a movement out of hatred for Zoe Quinn, Gamergate continues to demean the experiences of women being harassed by calling them liars (e.g. the "FALSE FLAG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE" response to the threats made against Anita Sarkeesian and USU), and Gamergate hasn't accomplished anything other than getting Intel to pull ads from Gamasutra and circlejerking each other about it. The Gamergate ‘brand’ is a poison, and the people pushing that brand have ensured it will remain a poison.

There is room for reasoned debate about all of the issues surrounding games, the videogame industry, and videogame journalism that Gamergate supporters have brought up.

It’s just a shame that GG seems more interested in demeaning/ignoring women, circlejerking themselves, and acting like they're in a goddamn war with the world than in actually debating/doing something about those issues.
No.394247
Anonymous
Replies:>>394248
>>394241
>>394243

I'm torn by this kinda thing because I love GTA. I love both the narrative and the freedom of the series.

It made no sense for me to have Franklin drive around town in a hot pink/neon green car, while he wore nothing but his underwear and a luchador mask. But dammit...I could do it.
No.394248
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394249
>>394247

That's absolutely okay that you love GTA for that. It plays to your tastes. That's awesome.

But not everyone likes GTA, and that doesn't mean they should be given the Internet equivalent of a curbstomp for giving GTAV a 9/10 instead of a 10/10.
No.394249
Anonymous
Replies:>>394251
>>394248
>But not everyone likes GTA, and that doesn't mean they should be given the Internet equivalent of a curbstomp for giving GTAV a 9/10 instead of a 10/10.

Indeed.

That reminds me that Carolyn Petit gave GTAV a 9/10 apparently because some of the content made it uncomfortable. People *still* got mad in spite of the fact that she really enjoyed the game and gave it a damn good score. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised about this. 8.8 wasn't all that long ago...

And while I didn't find anything majorly problematic with GTAV's content, I can respect the fact that she did. I mean, I could have my reservations for a GTA game's content sometime in the future. I don't have to experience uncomfort myself to understand why maybe someone else did.
No.394251
Anonymous
>>394249
The Gerstmann incident was tied to some unambiguous corporate corruption though, compared to Petit's review which was purely a matter of opinion. She did literally nothing wrong here. There was no breach of ethics involved. Now if she went so far as to rate it a 1/10 for that, I would probably be skeptical of her reviews in the future. But it's not the same kind of issue.

Now there will be people who will give games straight 0/10 or 10/10 reviews over a single minor element in the game regardless of the overall quality of everything else. I seem to remember there being one such guy on G4, think it was Tommy Tallarico who was particularly full of this brand of stupidity. Like, he once reduced the score of Resident Evil 4 a whole bunch because it prompts you whether you want to collect bullets or not (even though the game would be objectively worse off if it didn't because of how the attache case works). There should be some way of filtering out such opinions, but not in a conviction by popular opinion way.
No.394252
Anonymous
Replies:>>394254
>>394251
Its called credibility.
If somebody does that, you just don't believe their next Opinion Piece.

That is literally the basis of many Journalists' entire careers and it amazes me that Gay Mermen don't understand that concept.
No.394253
Anonymous
>>394251
>The Gerstmann incident was tied to some unambiguous corporate corruption though

No, that's two different situations.

Giving Kane and Lynch a mediocre review is what got him fired. Giving Twilight Princess an 8.8 didn't get him fired, but it had a lot of Zelda fans (none of which who even played TP at the time of the review) calling for his blood.
No.394254
Anonymous
>>394252
I seriously don't understand why people even give a shit about what Slowtaku thinks. For years they've been publishing moronic clickbait about how Transformers Dark Side of the Moon is the Dark Souls of cinema. But suddenly if their 're publishing articles with a feminist bent (which are usually also incredibly stupid, petty, and juvenile, but not necessarily more so than anything else they've written in the past), suddenly that's too much. Now Kotaku now needs to be held to the same journalistic standards as other "respectable" publications. It's like holding Sankaku Complex's feet to the fire because they aren't of the same caliber as the Washington Post.
No.394256
Anonymous
>>394238
Only a complete idiot would actually believe that /v/'s general stance on anything even remotely social justice related would suddenly take a 180° turn. How fucking blind does one have to be to read "we want more diversity" from /v/ and not realize the implied "as long as they agree with everything we do"? How short must your memory be when you apparently forget that the default response to any hint of a poster being female is "ironic" (it's not ironic if you actually believe it) shitposting since the belief that "female gamer => attention whore" never gets challenged on 4chan? You don't recall /v/ hyping random nobody Sarkeesian into some über-radical "feminazi" devil out to destroy videogames?
If it weren't for the ridiculous responses of the "anti-GG" side, /v/ would've gone right back to throwing /pol/-isms at you for not disagreeing with 'progressive' opinions in vidya context.

Go read the "secret raid channel" log (outsiders in charge of knowing anything about 4chan lol); you really think it's coincidence that they maintained a thread in /pol/ and regularly used /pol/ lingo? They were also perfectly fine with doxxing. They also don't consider compiling people's personal info for easy acces to crazies any problem at all. They also consider spam a valid way of getting a message across - not "keep a thread up at all times" but "flood /v/ with copypasted threads".

The entire "denounce anti-SJW as shills" tactic was added later when they realized (too late) they might be more effective that way since no one except /pol/ takes /pol/ seriously. It's called politics.

It was documented with screencaps that Vivian James was constructed as a weapon, but of course #GullibleGaters IGNORED REALITY and just told themselves that /v/ is totally progressive n shit.

>but #GoofTroop evolved beyond its roots

The well is poisoned but you insist on drinking from it, encouraging others to have a taste too and pissing in the faces of anyone refusing to step in line. You don't get to simply ignore /pol/ when your platform has "made in /pol/" engraved on it.

You honestly believe people don't fucking notice that #UsefulIdiots' response to any attacks on their enemy is to attempt to discredit the target?

You don't think there's anything to it that right-wingers who otherwise consider videogames society-destroying garbage suddenyl side with you?

#VidyaRedpill keeps claiming that this is about "journalistic integrity", yet they cannot ever shut up about "SJW" and everyone who does not let them run wild must obviously be a feminazi kike slave who is part of the indie/journo/SJW/zionist conspiracy network.

There is no "discussion" to be had with political extremists. #GamerGate is /pol/'s unwitting shield, basically wearing a "place knife here" sign on its back. It's a frontline base on the political battlefield of "social justice", to be discarded once its usefulness expires. I know the context, unlike all those bandwagoners who have no clue about present-day 4chan "culture".


"Truth" and "objectivity" always somehow magically align with the personal beliefs of their loudest 'defenders' - disagreement equals lies and oppression. Same pattern as usual.
No.394258
Anonymous
>>394246
Honestly I see this as symptomatic of growing pains for the relatively new gaming medium. Of course you're going to have nasty "OG" tribalists who are terrified that people different from them are starting to enjoy the privilege of enjoying the medium they used to have a perceived exclusive dominion over on one side (being a minority female who's been regularly playing "hardcore" games for over 20 years since I was 8, that's a delusional belief to have and if they got a problem with that those oversensitive twats can go fuck themselves) and the overzealous moral guardians on the outside who do want there to be restrictive standards imposed on the content of the medium a la the Hays Code on the other, and everybody in between. Then you're going to have newer perspectives like those who have different ideas on how to expand the medium; some people are willing to sacrifice gameplay for accessibility, other more heady types purists who want the medium to slowly win converts through the evolution of its mechanics. Great. Openness of ideas is a great thing.

None of this has to be a zero sum game. There is no rational reason to fear these supposed SJWs (As a side note, people need to stop using that term. All it does is give the actual SJWs who have extremist views and who have done things like doxxing and threats of their own a sense of validation and perpetuate a cycle of trolling). Ideally, once the furor dies down, the industry should be able to expand the overall number of goods being offered through the entry of new suppliers (indies and what not) who can cater to the newer audiences, while the old suppliers should be able to continue providing for people who want more traditional fare. After all, popular literature grew to accommodate people who liked things like Twilight, Left Behind, or even yeti sex. It also grew to accommodate people who asked or sometimes made rude demands for more books featuring strong female characters or nonwhite perspectives, while people who prefer to read things in the vein of Irving, Tolkien, or Palahniuk get to keep their books.
No.394259
Anonymous
Yknow, I think we're taking #JonAndGatePlusEight a bit too seriously in the sense that we're considering them more than a hate group.

#FrostedFlakesAreMoreThanGoodThey'reGate isn't about anything other than shitting on a small group of people, and doing so anonymously. Who else sets up a mass shooting/bombing on school grounds plus women's support groups when a media analyst is gonna give a talk. In the name of said #Cereal.

What I have to admit kills me is all these Gators saying "but essjaywoos are harrassing #GameGrumpers too!" and I know one that's actually gotten doxxed. THE PART THAT KILLS ME is the fact that they think that makes it an equal ground - given one is a responce to widespread aggression and the other, funnily enough he got targeted for speaking out against someone for being transphobic.

All this said, can we lay off the topic a bit?
For starters, its pretty much all I get on any website these days.
._.
No.394260
Anonymous
Replies:>>394262
>>394259
Look, I can't stand GamerGate either but your #SoFunnayNames shit is getting pretty tiring. Also while I think they're barking up a losing tree I wouldn't consider Erik Kain or John Bain to be hatemongers.
No.394261
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394262
>>394259

>All this said, can we lay off the topic a bit?

Fair enough.

TOPIC SWITCH: I dunno who’s DDoSing all the furry websites this week, but they can burn in hell.
No.394262
Anonymous
Replies:>>394263
>>394261
Oh hey I was talking to Chalo earlier this week!
Are you two acquainted? I think he's mentioned you.

>>394260
They google sites for mentions.
No.394263
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394265
>>394262

I drop into his streams every so often, and my Sage Freehaven character's had a few cameos in several Las Lindas side strips. We're not close Internet pals or anything, though.
No.394265
Anonymous
>>394263
Ah thats cool thats cool.
I did a multistream with him and Kenno Arkan some time back.
Cool peeps, cool peeps.

...
Man I have not checkec out Las Lindas since I was, like... 16.
I was quite the fan for obvious reasons.
No.394266
Anonymous
Replies:>>394268
Sucks that furry is getting DDoS'd this week.

However, it's good that e621 was up the last time I looked at it today. Not that I go there or anything.
No.394267
Anonymous
Replies:>>394269
Is it odd I find massage videos relaxing?
Seriously, my stress just went poof during this

//youtube.com/watch?v=-h51qPo7Q4Ayoutube thumb
No.394268
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394270
>>394266

At least five major furry/furry-oriented sites got slammed with DDoSes: FA, Weasyl, Inkbunny, e621, and F-list. (I think SoFurry got hit as well, but I’m not sure on that.)

Weasyl and Inkbunny had protections like Cloudflare in place, so they suffered no major downtime. e621 and F-list got their shit together yesterday. FA is still down as of the time I make this post, much to the detriment of pretty much every artist who relies on FA to conduct business.
No.394269
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394267

I listen to certain types of ASMR videos every once in a while. They give me the associated "tingles" every so often, but they tend to relax the hell out of me more than anything.
No.394270
Anonymous
Replies:>>394271
>>394268
Where would you recommend finding info or news on the attack? I think it must have been a well-planned effort, since it not only took down over 5 sites, but also took down FA for over two days, as well as it's CDN (Content Delivery Network, where it's images are stored [facdn.net]). It's probably either a really big group of people, an aftershock fan-attack or a really slow and shitty recovery effort.

Place your bets now: Was it a 1337 haXxoR with over 9000 zombie PC's, or a large group of people from a bunch of *chans (or /i/)? How long until /b/ is blamed? Was the attack prolonged by desperate artist and kids constantly refreshing? Or was it an attack by the GNAA or WBC?
No.394271
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394270

Believe it or not, there's a furry news site out there. Here is its official story on the DDoSes (which confirms that SoFurry got hit as well):

http://www.flayrah.com/5888/furry-websites-face-broad-denial-service-attacks

The DDoS seems to be done, yet FA remains down (big shock there I know).
No.394273
Nøpe
>>394238
I think it's been an overall wonderful discussion. In comparison with what I usually get online.

It's let me further examine my own views and helped me understand the views of others.
No.394278
Eating
>>394271
Dragoneer or whoever is doing an AMA in reddit about the DDOS reddit.com/r/furry
No.394280
Anonymous
>>394271
I will never for the life of me understand why FA remains popular. Inkbunny, Sofurry, and Weasel do everything it does and with mods who may actually know what they're doing
No.394282
Anonymous
>>394280
If I had to guess, it would be the same reason so many other sites, services, products fail to overthrow the old inferior. Their size and pre constructed popularity compounds on itself. From what I understand, it's where a lot of artists contact the vast majority of their clients, so they generally stick there. With all the artists on that site all the clients will go there. It feeds on itself. A slippery slope.
No.394283
Anonymous
Replies:>>394285
So after 14 years since I hit puberty, without any major changes in lifestyle for much of the time in between, my periods have finally reached some sort of regularity at intervals of approximately 5-6 weeks for the last year. Whereas throughout high school and college they would frequently skip months or be within 2-3 weeks of each other, or sometimes one followed immediately by the other. It used to be impossible for me to predict when my next period was, now I can usually pinpoint it on my calendars within five days' precision.

I generally eat well, I'm on the flabby side but otherwise of average weight, I generally eat well, don't exercise a ton but go on frequent walks, and I'm not on any sort of medication. Only truly unhealthy habit I can think of is frequent lack of sleep but if anything my period becoming regular happened right around the point in my life where I started to pull all-nighters the most frequently. I asked my doctor and she didn't seem to think anything was up, but any physiologyfags able to explain? I'm a little ashamed I can't answer that for myself considering my PhD is in biochemistry but hey that's why I'm >Anonymous.
No.394284
Anonymous
>>394282
I would've figured an ouroboros or some other circular metaphor would've been more apt.
No.394285
Anonymous
>>394283
My understanding is that a woman's cycle often doesn't become regular until about the age you're saying you are--early to mid twenties, I think, if I'm doing my math right? The fact that you were doing all-nighters at the same time is probably just a coincidence.
No.394287
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394282

Pretty much this, yeah. FA wasn't even the absolute best site when I joined (2006…wow), but it’s since become the biggest and most-well-known furry artdump site. Every challenger to the throne has been sliced down as a result of the site’s popularity—even the ones that are objectively better than FA in every way. Only DA can really stand up to FA, and that’s because DA’s bigger than (and has a broader focus than) FA.

I would love to see Weasyl take the throne (it has a better design and more intuitive tools for art uploads/comments), but that ain't ever gonna happen.
No.394290
Anonymous
>>394280
You see, this is how people view Internet Explorer as well.

I don't hang around there much, but I think it's because that's the site they already understand and because of the existing population, it draws in even more people as other sites have less. It just compounds until something big happens.
No.394294
Anonymous
It kind of hit me today that I really am a "bottom-of-the-barrel" type of person.

I'm not really sad about it though. The thought kind of just brought a sense of clarity. If anything I'm a little bit happy because my life and who I am make a lot more sense with this realization.
No.394299
Venkman !kM/YMzVjpI
Replies:>>394301
Mr. Stone, this is my contractually obligated occasional post asking you to sell me your Bayonetta gun prob you won a few years ago.

Cheers.
No.394301
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394313
>>394299

As soon as I can find a way to do so, I promise that I shall.
No.394313
Venkman !kM/YMzVjpI
Replies:>>394315
>>394301
What was standing in the way again? I've forgotten your original reasoning.
No.394315
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394313

No way to accept money online/pay for shipping the thing. Still don't have either one yet.
No.394339
Anonymous
Replies:>>394342
Oh gawd, now SJW friend is complaining that LGBT allies are the devil and and that LGBT people ought to distance themselves from anybody straight and/or cis. Also every ally only pretends to care about these issues because they're all just secretly using their LGBT friends as props to feel good about themselves. Because clearly straight and LGBT people can never be friends because they actually like each other for reasons that don't have to do with sexuality. Also LGBT rights are obviously zero-sum and straight cis people never have an unselfish reason to support people who aren't like them, durrrrr. And continuing to be friends with straight and cis people while talking about how much they suck isn't being totally hypocritical, durrrr.

Sage for more whining.
No.394342
Anonymous
Replies:>>394344
>>394339
>Oh gawd, now SJW friend is complaining that LGBT allies are the devil

Then said person isn't much of a "SJW"

Also why don't you just stop talking to her.
No.394344
Anonymous
>>394342
How isn't that being a SJW? I always figured SJW, not in the sense GG is using it but in the way people on this board have been , using it for years, is the anti-/pol/ where said people are so "anti-racist" they become racist from the opposite side, or people looking for an excuse to complain about problems that don't actually exist for the sake of being offended or because they think there's a conspiracy in the media to keep them down. I mean, the old Avatar board here was full of posts complaining about SJWs who accused the show of having pro-rape messages or being racist because the two guys who made it were white folks and I wouldn't disagree with them that it's shitty behavior that deserves mocking.

As for the asshole friend thing isn't there a way to block them on Facebook?
No.394345
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394344

The "SJW" stereotype is better expressed through a different term: Social Revenge Warrior.

Anyone fighting for actual social justice wouldn't be looking to make other people's lives miserable, since actual social justice isn't a zero-sum game.
No.394347
Anonymous
Replies:>>394353
>>394344
>How isn't that being a SJW?

I was under the impression that they'd want others amongst their ranks instead of culling the herd.
No.394348
Anonymous
>>394344
>As for the asshole friend thing isn't there a way to block them on Facebook?


Also, yes. You can either defriend the person or make it so their updates don't show up on your feed by selecting a drop down list on one of their posts. Well, it worked like this like a year or so ago. I don't know what it's like now. The last guy I had to block was from around that time, and I did so because he was constantly whining about not having a girlfriend.
No.394353
Anonymous
>>394347
You'd be surprised at all the Jacobin-wannabes who go on ideological purity crusades and attack their own friends and allies for not having political opinions extreme enough or for getting upset with the verbal abuse. I've seen way too many people throwing around "white-identifier"/"truscum"/"useful idiot" or other similar check your privilege-style insults because people pointed out that no, the Saami are not all brown PoC people, so liking Frozen doesn't make you a horrible whitewasher. I've been called a sexist pig before because I had the nerve to disagree with someone who called Jonathan Joestar misogynist trash for protecting his future girlfriend from bullies when the focus was clearly about his sense of social responsibility and not about her being a girl, even though I post pro-feminism stuff all the time.

Also I don't know whether this really falls under social revenge warrior because these people don't exhibit the sheer amounts of viciousness other people are talking about but it fucking drives me up the wall when I see so many people claiming X character must be trans and if you disagree you're a transphobe simply because they have something non-gender conforming about them. It really bothers me because all it does is perpetuate stereotypes about the sexes that really, really should be dead and buried by now but keep getting revived by these fauxgressive types. obe.
No.394355
Anonymous
>>394353
Considering how shitty the Frozen fandom can be I wouldn't be surprised if people are wary anyway. But yeah, it doesn't make you racist any more than liking Tyler Perry's shit makes you a racial super-progressive.
No.394360
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394353

>I don't know whether this really falls under social revenge warrior because these people don't exhibit the sheer amounts of viciousness other people are talking about but it fucking drives me up the wall when I see so many people claiming X character must be trans and if you disagree you're a transphobe simply because they have something non-gender conforming about them.

If they're looking to make you feel worse and themselves feel better—likely at your expense—they're after Social Revenge. Social justice would theoretically be inclusive and try to make things better for everyone, not try to make things better for one group at the expense of another (see: any definition of feminism that isn't centered around "GRRRR HAET MEN").
No.394361
Anonymous
>>394353
Back to politically correct I guess? True it's a rather loaded term with bad history but despite that I think there are times where it is genuinely applicable and people accidentally marginalize (or maybe not and they're just too callous to care) other groups by trying too hard to be progressive.
No.394362
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394364
>>394361

Political correctness is for politicians. For everyone else, it’s called ‘not being a dick to other people’.
No.394364
Anonymous
>>394361
>>394362
They're not actual politicians or academics eager to buy into a particular political narrative for self-gain, which is where the term political correctness came from before conservatives used it to mean "anyone to the left of me".

While what these guys do is kinda similar (shallowly pledging support to whatever minority it's considered "cool" to stick up for at the moment regardless of whatever minorities or social progress they trample on to do so), but it's too ultimately too petty to be anything than slacktivism or a weird form of mob mentality taken to the extreme.
No.394365
Anonymous
Replies:>>394367
>>394361
>True it's a rather loaded term with bad history but despite that I think there are times where it is genuinely applicable and people accidentally marginalize (or maybe not and they're just too callous to care) other groups by trying too hard to be progressive.
"Politically correct" is probably the right term to use for exactly that reason--because bitching and moaning about "political correctness gone mad" is exactly what the anti-SJW movement is. The number of SJWs who actually fit the definition that the 4chan side of the internet use and are actually worth wasting time thinking about in your day to day life is pretty damned close to zero. The reason the sentiment is so pervasive in the nerd community is the same reason the sentiment has always been so pervasive in the communities of old white men--because they are afraid of change and they are afraid of "otherness" and it is unacceptable socially to say so, so instead they act as concern trolls, saying "I'm not against acceptance of GROUP X, I just hate those darned SJWs/this darned political correctness! It's a freedom of speech issue / a basic courtesy issue / etc, not a 'I don't want to have to adapt to a changing culture' issue!"
No.394367
Anonymous
Replies:>>394369
>>394365
>The number of SJWs who actually fit the definition that the 4chan side of the internet use and are actually worth wasting time thinking about in your day to day life is pretty damned close to zero
Eh, while it's definitely true that people exaggerate how much influence they have, going the other way and pretending they're not really a problem doesn't help either. It's commonplace enough that even my own friends and their other friends are starting to use that kind of lingo and say some inflammatory stuff sometimes that makes me feel uncomfortable as a fellow not-so-privileged person. I don't think people need to hate on others to feel good about themselves. I agree with Mr Stone that changing the name to something more accurate is better than just ignoring it because if the Avatar fandom bitching threads are any indication, they're way too common for that.

Same with those people who think autism or transsexuality is a totally cute condition to apply to everyone or self-diagnose with. Technically they're not attacking people but it's still fucking reprehensible behavior that makes it look like a toy and pisses off people who are that in real life. Taking issue with it doesn't always make you a butthurt conservative afraid of change or anything, it just means you're someone with common sense who thinks these matters deserve to be treated with some respect rather than being a kawaii accessory to use as snowflaky decoration.
No.394369
Anonymous
Replies:>>394375
>>394367
>Same with those people who think autism or transsexuality is a totally cute condition to apply to everyone or self-diagnose with. Technically they're not attacking people but it's still fucking reprehensible behavior that makes it look like a toy and pisses off people who are that in real life. Taking issue with it doesn't always make you a butthurt conservative afraid of change or anything, it just means you're someone with common sense who thinks these matters deserve to be treated with some respect rather than being a kawaii accessory to use as snowflaky decoration.

Congratulations.
You're officially, by many MANY people's definition, an SJW.
No.394370
Anonymous
Replies:>>394373
What was that about "A group is as good as the best and as bad as the worst."?
No.394371
Anonymous
Can we please go back to the time where easily offended people were just called soccer moms and everybody ignored them instead of going out of their way to start a shitstorm and harass them?
No.394372
Anonymous
I already got all of my christmas gifts. This is certainly a first. Feels kinda weird. Also kinda good. No stress during the holidays.
No.394373
Anonymous
>>394370
A group you willingly choose to associate with and wouldn't otherwise, yeah.
No.394375
Anonymous
Replies:>>394376
>>394369
I see way more people who call themselves anti-SJW over this precisely because they have the same opinion as OP actually, or for general "I am a liberal but these people make us look bad so I'm going to try to self-police against them" type feelings.
No.394376
Anonymous
Replies:>>394378
>>394375
I see so many more people call themselves anti-SJW because they truly believe that is the norm.
Also because they really can't tell the difference between a parody tumblr about coffee-kin and a person who thinks women should be paid the same for equal work.
No.394378
Anonymous
>>394376
Also "sjw" is actually supposed to be derogatory since its like "UGH THEYRE ALWAYS AFTER SOCIAL JUSTICE, THEYRE LIKE SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS ALWAYS WANTING SHIT"

Sorta like "White Knight."
No.394379
Anonymous
Replies:>>394380
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To get away from the SJW/anti-SJW whining:

It kinda makes me cringe a little whenever people draw someone in /pco/ really out-of-character. To me at least, a character's personality is as much a part of them as their appearance, and I think an artist that can extrapolate a character's character as well as their looks is well above those who can't. It's like a 4th dimension of art.
No.394380
Anonymous
Replies:>>394384
>>394379
That's a perfectly legit reaction, but the alteration or corruption of a characters personality probably falls into the realm of their specific fetish. (Sexual or otherwise)

What if this person behaved this way, or what if they where a little more bold/meek/whatever. A lot of the time it's probably not even a conscientious decision, but an underlying desire to have that person be a little something else. From my observation, it's the same principle that would make someone change a characters body type.
No.394381
Anonymous
I don't get Marvel stuff. I don't get the hype, the movies never really wowed me, and I just don't find the heroes very interesting.
What are other people seeing that I am not?
No.394382
Anonymous
>>394381
I go to those movies with enthusiasm and wonder and excitement.

I really do make an effort to turn off cynisism with movies these days. Maybe thats why I like em.
No.394383
Anonymous
>>394381
If you're already familiar with the characters, you are probably aware of a deep canon and history surrounding them. The movies have only two hours to convey a very tiny portion of that, so you go in and see the movie, which has a heavier focus on flashy effects and explosions, with a watered down story and it just doesn't "feel" right.

Or you just don't like capes, which is fine.
No.394384
Anonymous
>>394380
No joke, I was going to write a line about how changing a personality was almost like changing body type: it's usually done because of personal preference or fetishism.
What you said all makes sense and I agree. I've just always been a bit particular about artists staying true to characters.
No.394385
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394381

Sometimes it's the characters. Sometimes it's the stories. Sometimes it's the visuals. Sometimes it's a combination of all three.

I dig the whole thing Marvel's trying to do with the MCU—and the fact that they have a solid roster of characters to work with. They pretty much had to give up trying to get back their two biggest franchises, but they got something better in return: a cinematic "universe" where they don't need Spider-Man or Wolverine. That opens up a shitload of doors for characters like Iron Man, Thor, and the motherfuckin' Guardians of the Galaxy to get a starring role when they may never have had that chance if Spider-Man or the X-Men were dominating the MCU.

The movies themselves are all relatively good, too. Even the worst of the MCU bunch (Iron Man 2 and the two Thor films) aren't wholly unwatchable, nor do they inspire the kind of palm-to-face reaction as, say, Man of Steel. There's an effort to tie in all the films to the larger world, but by and large, you don't need to see all of that larger world to enjoy MCU films. (That can change in the future as the crossovers get more dependent on continuity and all, of course. And the less said about Agents of SHIELD, the better.)

But the real appeal is that Marvel movies are so much goddamn fun. There's serious storylines and moments, yeah, but they're all lumped in with cleverly-timed jokes and witty banter (sometimes a bit too much; lookin' at you Avengers) and amazing action sequences that give you a full range of emotional experiences throughout a film. Contrast that with the approach of Man of Steel (which is apparently the approach DC’s shooting for with the DCCU from here on out): it lacks that broader range of emotion, that sense of fun and wonder that we associate with superheroes/cape comics. The only moment in that movie that was anywhere near as emotionally satisfying as a Marvel film’s best moments was Superman’s first flight, and the film went right back to soul-sucking ‘gritty’ emptiness immediately after.

Now keep in mind that this is only about the movies. I don’t keep up with the comics (too many restarts/reboots/recontinuities/re-whatever for my tastes). I would be interested in knowing what appeals to you, though—not just regarding comics, but films (and action films, specifically) as well. Doubly so if you prefer DC's stuff to Marvel.
No.394387
Anonymous
America just couldn't let itself be shown up by Canada, of all countries.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/marysville-pilchuck-high-school-shooting_n_6043382.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
No.394393
slowmobile
FOOD POISONING IS THE WORST
No.394394
Anonymous
Replies:>>394395
>>394393
It is. But at least it's over very quickly. Unless your doctor prescribes you wrong medicine and you get insanely constipated ontop of it.
No.394395
Slowpoke
>>394394
THIS IS HOW I MEET MY END sick get btw
No.394396
Anonymous
>>394393
Shit, I hope it passes soon. Food poisoning is total shit with a side of aches and vomit.

In other news, I read your name as a really stupid version of the Bat-mobile.
No.394406
Anonymous
It's been months since I've tried sticking to a to-do list, mostly because they keep sprawling into lists of everything that catches my interest. Might try it again, but now I've had the idea of setting a weekly schedule where I focus on a different general interest each day. Hopefully that'll stay under control, and when I go to make to-do lists maybe I can make separate lists for things that fall under one of the once-a-week categories. Going to bed now, will try to start the following schedule in the morning:

Sunday: Game Coding
Monaday: Article Writing
Tuesday: AI and IA Coding
Wednesday: Reading
Thursday: Video Games
Friday: Fiction Writing
Saturday: Drawing

Might replace video games with language learning if Duolingo seems nice once I actually try it out, but my video game backlog is in pretty serious need of work.
No.394407
Mister Twister
Replies:>>394408
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I just hate how Internets are made these days. Back then, if your connection was slow, pages would simply load slower. Nowadays, if for some reason your connection slows down (think getting 3 bars out of 4), pages don't fucking load at all. It's almost like you need to have perfect signal to use the damn thing.
No.394408
Anonymous
>>394407
I remember web developers saying faster speeds would let them unlock a world of exciting new things.
Turns out they mostly just meant a world of the exact same functionality, but but made lazily at the expense of reliability and performance.
No.394409
Anonymous
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No.394411
Minifig
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>put bunch of second-hand video games on eBay
>charge about £3 shipping for each, put them in a job lot
>buyer keeps quibbling over price, saying it's too much
>I explain that I'd like to make some money off this
>no reply
>mention this to parents
>mfw my mother says I'm ripping the buyer off
>change invoice to £10 to shut everyone up

Am I in the wrong? It's not like I wasn't upfront about the shipping costs, and it's not like I'm making much money as it is (I'm on unemployment benefits). I just wanted some extra cash...
No.394412
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394411
I dunno how much shipping usually is, but that price is usually shipping and handling, which includes the price of the box, packing material, etc. I tend to find out how much it would cost to ship an item by weight, making it a bit heavier than expected, and round up to 50 cent increments. If the actual shipping turns out to be more than a dollar less (rare, but I've had it happen) I'll refund them each full dollar.

The only exception is when the shipping amount is quite high (>$6), and then I'll put down the exact shipping charge.

So as long as the shipping wouldn't normally be, say, £1, I'd say you're fine. You should be looking to make money off the item and not the shipping.
No.394413
Minifig
Replies:>>394428
>>394411
In all fairness, I wanted £30 for 5 Wii Games (including Wii Sports), 2 DS games (including Tingle's Rupeeland) and Paper Mario 2. That's a pretty amazing bargain, imo, and I don't see how I'm the one being stingy here.
No.394418
Anonymous
I wish I could sit around all day doing whatever I want instead of going to work and supporting myself
No.394420
Anonymous
I wish I could go to work and support myself so I could do things that don't consist of sitting around.
No.394427
Anonymous
>>394420
>so I could do things that don't consist of sitting around.
I only sort of remember what it's like to want that.
No.394428
Anonymous
>>394413
That sounds like a pretty good deal, but it does depend on what the Wii and DS games are.
No.394430
Anonymous
A long time ago I had a girlfriend. We were both members of a small community and I didn't want to date her anymore, but I was afraid if I broke up with her everyone else would side with her and I'd have to leave. So I got a little creative:

She was clingy and suffered from depression, PTSD, and a bunch of other bullshit. I took advantage of that and fucked with her until she exploded a few weeks later, where she had a huge meltdown and tried to kill herself. After that, I broke up with her and she went completely batshit crazy, so I used that to frame her as an insane, abusive, manipulative stalker to push her away from any mutual friends. Nearly everyone in the community sided with me and they all cut ties with her.

In the end, I kept my friends and I don't have to deal with her presence making me uncomfortable, since I'm not the type of person who wants to ever be around an ex.

She never really recovered from it and is a complete wreck to this day. I think I might have broken her and ruined her life.

It makes me feel a little guilty and it keeps me up at night. I'm definitely a horrible person, but I got a close-knit group of friends out of it, and nobody ever suspected a thing.
No.394431
Anonymous
>>394430
...

...Thats some serious scumbag-tier shit, anon. What the hell.
No.394433
Anonymous
What kind of age do we live in where telling a woman you like her/that she's beautiful is considered creepy? 10 years ago it was a compliment.
No.394435
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394430

That is God-tier scumbag bullshit, son. I'm an asshole and even I'm not that much of an asshole.
No.394436
Anonymous
>>394428
Well I want to be working on stuff like http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/ http://www.atomicshrimp.com/st/content/projects/ http://www.tatjavanvark.nl/projects.html http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/lingodroids/home etc, and I don't think having a job is going to stop that. Not to say you need to want something other than laying around, but I don't expect my future self to follow your own path of development.

>>394430
I'm pretty sure you could have looked for a way to break up with her that didn't involve acting like it's some kind psychological kill-or-be-killed scenario. And you didn't really get your friends out of it anyway, since you had them before and still would have if you kept an annoying girlfriend? That was really a sort of thing you should have talked to someone about instead of just doing whatever seemed safest at the time out of fear.
No.394437
Minifig
Replies:>>394440
>>394428
Wii Sports & Play, Geometry Wars: Galaxies, Eledees and Lego Star Wars: The Complete Collection
Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland and some shovelware puzzle game (crosswords and shit)
Paper Mario 2

These games cost me almost a hundred times what this whiny shit has paid (£15 - I decided I'd get SOMETHING out of all this, even if it's a few pennies after postage) but according to my parents I'm not allowed to make a profit on this, because apparently I'm only supposed to use it "to get rid of stuff" and I'm ripping people off for trying to make some money. I just hate that I was so easily guilted into this.

In the buyer's defence, I couldn't find the postage details when I looked on the listing, but that might just be eBay being stupid.
No.394438
Anonymous
>>394430
Hey, buddy.

I just wanted to let you know that you're a worthless piece of shit.

>>394433
I need context for these statements.
No.394440
Anonymous
>>394430
Wow.

>>394437
Your parents are dumb. If the point was to get rid of it, you would just donate it to a thrift store.
No.394441
Anonymous
>>394420
>implying work isn't just sitting around all day just without the ability to do whatever you want

>>394430
This might be the worst thing I've read on an imageboard and I accidentally read part of that Bart castration fanfiction once
No.394442
Anonymous
>>394433
If you just out of nowhere see a random girl and tell her she's beautiful its always creepy.

Alternatively, Being Considerate(tm) is actually more a thing now than it was before.
No.394443
Anonymous
Replies:>>394446
>>394433
Telling a woman she is pretty or that you like her are not creepy. If you are being told you are creepy, it is not for the fact that you are doing those things, it is for the way you are doing it.
No.394444
Anonymous
>>394430
This is the kind of thing I'd normally only expect to see on regular 4chan.

And by the way, you're right. You are a horrible person.
No.394446
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394443

>Telling a woman she is pretty or that you like her are not creepy.

If a woman asks for your opinion on her looks and you tell her she's pretty, it's not creepy. If a woman is just walking down the street and you walk up to her and tell her she's pretty, it's pretty goddamn creepy.

As with most social interactions, context and timing are important.
No.394453
Slowpoke
Replies:>>394457
Food poisoning is gone, I think, but 3-4 days of pooping myself to death has given some pretty srs hemorrhoids. I should probably see a doctor when I have more than $1.50 in my bank account.
>>394446
>If a woman is just walking down the street and you walk up to her and tell her she's pretty, it's pretty goddamn creepy
Depends on how you phrase it/present yourself/etc.
No.394454
Anonymous
>>394446
That goes without saying to most people. =P
No.394457
Anonymous
Replies:>>394458
>>394453
>Depends on how you phrase it/present yourself/etc.
Nnnnnnnnno, just walking up to a random woman and comment on her appearance is creepy, dude.
No.394458
Anonymous
>>394457
Not if you're very attractive.
No.394460
Anonymous
>>394458
how much people experience do you have
No.394462
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394469
>>394458

So it's not creepy to walk up to some person you don't even know and talk only about how attractive they are if you yourself are attractive?

…how high are you and what the fuck did you smoke in the first place
No.394469
Anonymous
>>394462
Context and attitude matter. If a woman is clearly dressed in such a way that her goal is to look good at this moment, it's certainly not rude to tell her she has succeeded at it--if you go to a convention and see a woman in a piece of cosplay that clearly took a lot of work and tell her "Wow, you look great," without any attempt to, like, insert yourself into her life beyond the compliment, that's not particularly creepy.

There are no RULES in social interaction. Everything comes down to empathy for the person you're talking with and understanding of the situation you're in. Creepiness is less about individual actions and more about crossing people's boundaries either due to lack of empathy for their situation or lack of understanding of the situation you're in.
No.394470
Anonymous
>>394469
>If a woman is clearly dressed in such a way
Probably best to avoid this line of thinking outside of your cosplay example, for anyone out there that's confused still confused. I think it's reasonable to tell someone they have a nice costume if they're cosplaying. Just don't apply these rules to walking down the street or whatever, even if you think she's all dolled up there, too.

Feel free to tell your friends they look cute, though. I do. If you want to get to know a person...well, get to know them. Actually speak to them instead of telling them they look good. Of course, this only applies if said person is open to communication. If you speak to someone and they don't respond or seem to want to talk, drop it and move on.
No.394471
Anonymous
>>394469
Well Cosplay is one thing.
But even then, don't be surprised if anyone is apprehensive of getting any comments at a convention given the negative attention that's usually prevalent, especially if they're hobby cosplayers.

But ... even if someone is dolled up to go out (which is... normal, usually. Even when its a pair of jeans and a tee, nobody wants to deliberately look bad) its not appropriate to just go 'hey you look good!' if you don't know said person.

Like
Don't even think about it.

You could maybe argue that there's no rules. But there are standards, decency and common fuckin' sense.
No.394472
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394475
>>394471
I wouldn't say "You look good" to a cosplayer, but something like "wow, that's super detailed" or something that compliments the costume and work they put into it, rather than their ability to wear it well.
No.394473
Anonymous
Replies:>>394474
So a NASA Rocket blew up on launch. No one got hurt. ISS might go Donner Party.
No.394474
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394473
I would hope there's a plan for "our resupply rocket can't get to you for a bit longer than we thought". Things might get a bit rough up there, but they should be okay.
No.394475
Anonymous
>>394472
Exactly. You aren't complimenting her appearance you're complimenting their cosplay and the work that was put into making it.
Hopefully in an environment designed to appreaciate.

I mean, in that case yeah be polite about it and at least say Oh hello first.
No.394476
Anonymous
Replies:>>394477
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>>394471
>Don't even think about it.
Thought police detected.
No.394477
Anonymous
Replies:>>394480
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>>394476
fuckin
No.394478
slowmobile
Replies:>>394480
mmmmm, no, I stick to my "context and phrasing and presentation matter" standpoint, and add, "also, literally all of you are gigantic superdorks."
might just be where I'm from but like 98% of people I've come into contact with would have 0 issue with it unless the person came across as really sleazy
No.394479
Anonymous
Oh hey yeah, mister super slick teaching us his official statistics on how much game he got.

Of course you're not always going to get a "Oh wow that was creepy of you" response.
No.394480
Anonymous
Replies:>>394482
>>394477
Feel like I should make it clear I'm just messing there, that's why I used a silly image.

>>394478
I could see someone finding it hard to imagine that not being creepy if they lived in a town practically built on sleaze from the ground up. You know, like LA.
No.394482
Slowpoke
>>394479
>teaching us his official statistics on how much game he got.
>Of course you're not always going to get a "Oh wow that was creepy of you" response.
lel, i've never even done it myself, i'm shy and dislike initiating conversation with strangers, i just know people who have and women who think it's really nice to randomly be told that their look is super on-point
way sicknasty projection though dude, at least 8/10
>>394480
i think it's more that there are surprisingly low amounts of street harassment where i'm from. the worst it gets is at the Navy base, which is 1.) filled with people from Not Here, and 2.) filled with drunk horny moral-less sleaze.
No.394483
Anonymous
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>have anhedonia
>go to GP
>get referred to psychiatrist to make sure I'm not depressed

I know it makes sense from his point of view, and that it's his duty to rule stuff out, but it's really not worth the money. I'm not depressed.
No.394484
Anonymous
Replies:>>394489
>>394479
It's not about "having game." It's about not being a creepy individual. The fact that you believe complimenting how someone looks implies "game," which itself implies some sort of sexual conquest in the works, is part of the reason your behavior might be seen as creepy. When your tone of voice or body language communicates the idea of sexual conquest, then of course compliments are going to creep a woman out, even if your exact wording doesn't. It is not the compliment itself which is creepy, it is the attitude you have about it, and the context in which it is coming.

When you actively crossing a person's boundaries, or come across as someone who will cross their boundaries if given a chance, that's when you start to come off as creepy.
No.394486
Anonymous
Replies:>>394487
So some days I'll spend a few hours just pacing back and forth in my room thinking about philosophy or making up imaginary scenarios or something. And some days I'll spend like 5-6 hours, or even all day, just pacing and thinking. And I can't really stop, even if I have something to do or want to do something else, I can't keep my mind from blocking everything out and taking up all of my attention.

And for some reason I'm only just now acknowledging that this might be indicative of something bad. Because I just googled if consistent, uncontrolled pacing back and forth is indicative of problems and I got a lot of pages about schizophrenia.

And I don't want to go around diagnosing myself but I am matching a lot of these onset descriptions REALLY WELL and that frightens me.
No.394487
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394488
>>394486
Schizophrenia makes a lot of people think of mass murderers, but a lot of people have it that don't do anything bad. Regardless, you should see a doc about it if you can.
No.394488
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394487

From what I've read, schizophrenics are actually more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it.

I mean, shit, look at writers.
No.394489
Anonymous
>>394484
After giving all this some thought, there's something I can't figure out.

Why is there a desire to tell a woman you don't know that she's attractive? Like what's the end game here?
No.394490
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394491
>>394489

Likely has to do with the typical human sex drive, I’d assume.
No.394491
Anonymous
>>394490
Yeah, but surely they see the entire path and not just the destination, right? Because there's a broken bridge down that way.

Like do people really think that telling some random woman that she's pretty means she'll just melt in their arms and go fuck them in a McDonald's bathroom like a Brazzer's shoot or something?
No.394492
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394491

Certain types of idiots probably do, sure.

But I think it's more that guys don't get a lot of "training" in that area. I caught a RT in my timeline yesterday that asked guys about what they learned while growing up about how they should attract other people. How many of you guys here were taught about that? And if you did, how many of you were taught about respecting boundaries and such? (And regardless of whether you were taught about it: how might signals from pop culture and societal interactions have played a role in how you "learned" about the subject?)
No.394493
slowmobile
>>394489
>Why is there a desire to tell a woman you don't know that she's attractive?
It's nice to know that people think you look good. When I tell my friends that they're stylin, it's not to get into their pants, it's because I think they look nice and it's pleasant to be complimented. The fact that you and Stone literally can't process the idea of complimenting people for reasons other than sex just cements your status as turbodweebs, sorry.
No.394494
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394493

I can grasp the idea of complimenting people for reasons other than sex. I'm an antisocial asshole with little experience in "advanced" socialization as an adult, but I'm not a complete fucking imbecile and I would appreciate you not condescending to me by assuming that I am.

The crux of the issue here revolves around the idea of giving them a compliment out of the blue. This is where context and attitude matter, because there is a vast difference between telling a close friend they look good and telling a complete stranger they look good. The latter situation is the one which raises that question you quoted.
No.394495
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394496
>>394491
>she'll just melt in their arms and go fuck them in a McDonald's bathroom like a Brazzer's shoot or something?
It's probably like spam: The approx cost for telling a woman she's beautiful as she walks by is nothing, as the vast, vast majority of women will ignore the guy and keep moving. Perhaps 1/1000 will react negatively, which could range anywhere from "shut up, jerk" to battery, but is probably just giving the finger. But if 1/100000 will react positively, that's a massive win for the investment. At worst the man will be in the company of a (to him) beautiful woman; at best, yes, they get jiggy at McDonald's.

So to get these kind of guys to stop their creepy butt-ins/catcalling, at least one of three things will need to happen:
1) Heavy peer pressure to stop
2) Have more women react negatively, and with a larger reaction
3) Have absolutely no women react positively

None of these are easy, though:
1) which is unlikely because if these guys have friends they'll either be of the same nature or don't want to risk the friendship over what they see as an annoying personality trait
2) The reactions that a woman can take without getting in trouble herself are extremely limited; personal confrontation is unlikely to be useful, as the guy won't change his ways for being yelled at and, while being yelled at, will just ogle her more
3) You have to figure out who is reacting positively, why they are reacting, and how to get them to stop reacting. There's also perception: even if you can do that, as long as these kind of guys think one might they will continue

That last one is hard because even just a look back with a smile can be seen as a positive reaction, even if the lady keeps walking. Peer/social pressure is probably the best way to go about change, though it will be slow as the pressure ripples outward from less-creepy to more-creepy guys.
No.394496
Anonymous
>>394489
>Why is there a desire to tell a woman you don't know that she's attractive?
Wanting to give compliments to random people but not knowing what else to note about them?
Not knowing how to deal with feelings of attraction, and thinking that telling people how attractive they are will help them go about their day better just from letting their feelings out?

>>394495
4.) Military grade friend-or-foe identifiers for those who might react positively, so no one else gets confused for them.
No.394498
Anonymous
Replies:>>394499
>>394493
>The fact that you and Stone literally can't process the idea of complimenting people for reasons other than sex just cements your status as turbodweebs, sorry.

That's not the issue here. The fact is that women on a daily basis deal with a ton of dudes trying to get into their pants every day. So while you might think you're doing her a solid, she has no way of telling if you're trying to fuck her or not. Dudes can get to be creepy about it, too. And maybe you and I aren't, but a lot are. And those people are why you typically don't do things like that.

It's a hard thing to gauge and I'm not sure how they do it day in and day out. People don't always act favorably to rejection (which can and has lead to physical violence) and sometimes a smile or a "Thank you." will cause the dude to think, "Aww yeah, I'm in. Time for pussy!" which will lead him to keep going when she doesn't want to be bothered.

Just probably best to avoid this stuff. It has less to do with me personally thinking about sex and more about women feeling comfortable going on about their business.
No.394499
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394501
>>394498

>The fact is that women on a daily basis deal with a ton of dudes trying to get into their pants every day.

To wit: http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/28/7084995/a-woman-walked-around-new-york-city-for-10-hours-and-filmed-every
No.394500
Anonymous
>>394493
literally what the fuck are you on about
you yourself made the distinction its different between friends and strangers.
No.394501
Anonymous
Replies:>>394502
>>394499
Go ahead, slowpoke.
Say it isn't a thing.
No.394502
slowmobile
>>394501
I addressed the issue of street harassment (and its mostly lack of existence here) already, and said that may be why people around here don't mind it while elsewhere it's a bigger deal. I wouldn't deny that it exists in general.
Must be pretty cool to imagine anyone who disagrees with you as a woman-hating denialist though, I bet that makes it pretty easy to feel superior. :)
No.394503
Anonymous
>>394502
>Must be pretty cool to imagine anyone who disagrees with you as a woman-hating denialist

literally no one said this
No.394504
Anonymous
>>394502
>Must be pretty cool to imagine anyone who disagrees with you as a woman-hating denialist though, I bet that makes it pretty easy to feel superior. :)
No.394505
Anonymous
>>394502
slowpoke shut up, man.
No.394508
Anonymous
Replies:>>394512
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Can you lot make an alternate thread for this debate? It's just becoming back and forth insults. Also, most of you have no idea what you are talking about.

In other news, why do most political parties have the worst representatives? Pic very related.
No.394509
Anonymous
Original guy who made the original "women think it's creepy that I compliment them" post here.

The woman in question is a friend and coworker of mine, not a stranger, and the dilemma is more like this:

As a guy, if a woman I wasn't interested in, that I was friends with, asked me out on a date or said I was handsome from time to time, I wouldn't mind. I'd say "thank you" whenever possible, I enjoy that attention. I mean, if I go out of my way to look nice, why would I not want people acknowledging that? And if she asked me out, and I wasn't interested, I'd turn her down and say I didn't like her in that way.

My experience with doing the exact same thing to women though has typically been the opposite, where they would either ignore it, lie about their reason for not wanting to go out, or stop acting like they know me altogether. And it's not because I'm doing it in a creepy way either. (Humor me: it's not, I assure you) I'm doing it like any normal, socially inept person would.

And I was just trying to convey how confusing and annoying it is that I get that awkward reaction, instead of her being straight up. And I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the fear of rape having gone up tremendously in recent years.
No.394510
Anonymous
>>394509
>socially inept

Adept*. I'm tired.
No.394511
Anonymous
>>394509
Yeah, not just rape but general violence or discomfort. Any negative reaction, really.

Its not the same with guys, yknow?
No.394512
Anonymous
Replies:>>394513
>>394508
>It's just becoming back and forth insults.
Slowpoke, its literally just you being a weirdo.
No.394513
Anonymous
Replies:>>394514
>>394512
I don't think Slowpoke is an Australian, geek.
I am actually not Slowpoke, Stone
No.394514
Anonymous
>>394513
And I don't think Stone is from Joisey, butt.
lol made ya look - seriously I'm not stone tho
No.394515
Anonymous
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I will not hesitate to admit my last wank before NoFap is going to be to my waifu.

Who else is enrolling?
No.394517
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394515

NoFap November?

…yeah, sure, I’ll go in for that. I need an excuse to actually do the things I’ve been wanting/meaning to do.
No.394518
Anonymous
>>394515
Sigh.
I do porn comics for a living.
I'd gladly indulge but last time I tried it, re-joining the club was really rough due to hormonal changes after two weeks.

Theres a level of unhealthiness that goes into abstaining, I assume.
But me, jesus, my balls would end up inventing a new hue.
No.394520
Anonymous
>>394509
>My experience with doing the exact same thing to women

It's an entirely different ballgame comparing what you go through and what they go through. You can't project what you prefer onto other people, especially when those other people have a drastically different life experience.

>And I was just trying to convey how confusing and annoying it is that I get that awkward reaction
Well hopefully it's not too confusing anymore. Consider it a learning experience. You've leveled up here.
No.394522
Anonymous
>>394515
It's like a once a week thing for me as it is, but fuck it, might as well join the bandwagon.
No.394523
Anonymous
Replies:>>394524
I'm surprised that debate went as long as it did without a GODDAMNIT FREEHAVEN. Not that this is a bad thing per se. Dead memes always bring the most embarrassing form of nostalgia.
No.394524
Anonymous
Replies:>>394527
>>394523
...Legit question, why would we be making webcomic references?
No.394525
Anonymous
Replies:>>394546
My roommate came back from his internship and I fucking hate it. I mean, he's a nice guy and all, but it was so much better when it was just three of us. This apartment is just too small for four people and every little thing, like taking a piss or cooking some lunch, is gonna get fucking stressful again.
No.394526
Anonymous
Replies:>>394532
What I'm trying to say is, really, you guys were right. I should've eaten him.
No.394527
Anonymous
Replies:>>394531
>>394524
>he doesn't know Freehaven
No.394529
Nøpe
Replies:>>394530
Never work in a hobby/decor store.
It will totally destroy all holidays for you.
No.394530
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394529
This goes for pretty much any consumer retail position.
No.394531
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394527

Shhh. He's better off that way.
No.394532
Anonymous
>>394526
Oh.
I thought we said you shouldve mugged him.
No.394533
Anonymous
I never have fun anymore, I just find ways to kill time.
No.394534
Anonymous
So.
I can't sleep at night.
I try but my schedule's so fucked, I can't sleep until well into the morning. I've tried to stay awake until night time to let myself sleep then and maye correct it but I haven't lasted long enough.
No.394535
Anonymous
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>>394534
Try going to sleep earlier. Don't eat or drink before the time you want to sleep. Limit electronic device usage as well, especially lit screens. Probably some other stuff too.

Personally, going to sleep early worked for me.
No.394536
Anonymous
>>394534
If you want to do the stay awake until it's fixed method, I've found either exercising when I'm tired or taking a shower help me stay awake for a couple more hours.
No.394537
Anonymous
Replies:>>394541
Does anyone else every go on the old OLD plus4 archives?
I find myself doing so from time to time. I was just going through the old +/a/ pre-Korra.
Its a friggin' time capsule. So many people posting there - people you wouldn't imagine, I mean you can see Yamino of all people personally posting her art there. Damn.

Its so surreal.
Replies:>>394540
>>394515
Last year's NoFapvember was a success for me, so I'm going to do it again this year.
No.394540
Anonymous
>>394538

How do you define success, here? You made it to the end without fapping? You somehow gained something worthwhile out of the experience? Your balls filled up and exploded meaning that you don't have to worry about needing to fap anymore?
No.394541
Anonymous
Replies:>>394543
>>394537
I just wonder where a few of those artists are. Hina, Doomzula... Heh, I even remember how the artist and editor of the Movie tie in manga used to go on there and post about it. They really seemed like they put effort into it. Kinda sucks how it was just stuck in the middle of all that bad press and shit film.
No.394543
Anonymous
>>394541
They probably got sick of the community once its focus turned from talking about Avatar and coming up with fan works to mostly just bitching about Legend of Korra and calling Bryke hacks.
No.394545
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394540

Some people define a NoFap month's success by whether they abstain from masturbation in full; some define success by whether they abstain from fapping with the aid of porn (though this is more for people using NoFap to help kick themselves of a porn habit).
No.394546
Anonymous
>>394525
>This apartment is just too small for four people and every little thing, like taking a piss or cooking some lunch, is gonna get fucking stressful again.
//youtube.com/watch?v=_SSbFjK_gnYyoutube thumb
You know what needs to happen.
No.394547
Anonymous
Replies:>>394550
>>394515
NoFap doesn't sound particularly good for me, but I might try making a big dumb block of text for NaNoWriMo.
No.394550
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394552
>>394547

I'm pondering doing a form of NaNoWriMo (basically just writing about 2,000 words per day, regardless of what I write) so I can get my ass back into gear in regards to writing.

Might possibly do something similar for pixel art.
No.394552
Anonymous
Replies:>>394555
>>394550
I figure I'll go for more of a package of five or so loosely connected short stories. Would probably make sense to write the last one first, so I can easily sprinkle foreshadowing around in the others. There ya go, instant "overarching plot".
No.394555
Anonymous
>>394552
Oh wait, yeah. Further dividing each 10,000 word short story into another set of five gets me 25 2,000 word mini stories, which is (coincidentally?) the same amount recommended to write each day. Then those can get broken into five 400-word sections, which can then get broken into groups of 80, barely enough for a good paragraph. Fractal-esque writing sounds kind of promising, glad I'm remembering all this now instead of forgetting NaNoWriMo exists until halfway through November.
No.394557
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Ah, I remember the days when I would get upset because I forgot about NaNoWriMo until half way through November, then vowed I would remember the next year...
No.394561
Anonymous
Replies:>>394562
Well my closet just fell apart and all my clothes are on the floor
No.394562
Anonymous
Replies:>>394563
>>394561
Oh anon! I'm... So... Proud of... You?
No.394563
Anonymous
>>394562
i never asked for this
>>394540
>You made it to the end without fapping?
Yes

>You somehow gained something worthwhile out of the experience?
I guess.
No.394565
Mister Twister
Corporations are not soulless amoral monsters, but the most convenient excuse humanity thought of. When you fuck up, the corporation receives the sharp end of the stick, while you get out relatively untouched.

Because, at the end of the day, every decision is many by people, and people should be put to blame.
No.394569
Anonymous
I'm just

so over all these internet critics and reviewers. I used to be so into stuff like TGWTG and Film Critique blogs and just tearing apart bad movies in general and
I don't know what happened. I'm just not into it anymore.

I feel like it somehow has to do with me just wanting to straight up just enjoy stuff and not care about quality. I always thought it would be problematic to take that mentality once I started working on stuff like comics or cartoons given how it'd cloud my judgement on my own work, but now that I am, I don't care about the nuance of the multiple branches of a greying morality or approaching work with cynicism and nihilism and...

I don't know.
I know its important to look at works critically but I don't know what's got me so tired of just
dissecting stuff.
No.394570
Anonymous
>>394569
>
>I know its important to look at works critically but I don't know what's got me so tired of just
>dissecting stuff.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. One of the classic pieces of advice to both critics and filmmakers is "never hate a movie."
No.394571
Anonymous
Replies:>>394572
It's a little thing called "nitpicking".

Often, internet reviewers like AVGN, TGWTG, Yahtzee and JonTron make valid criticisms, but they're also comedians who are trying to be entertaining and funny. Often times, especially in AVGN's case, it's hard to separate the satire from the true and honest opinions, where minor flaws are exaggerated and made to be a big deal.

Another thing is that internet critics are so cynical that they simply have no taste. TGWTG hates so many movies from my childhood, or movies that I've watched in the last 5 years and still liked quite a bit, that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, he's funny and makes good points, so he must be right...right? I mean, after he points these things out, and his review is so memorable and funny, I can't not think about them when I go back to watch this now. I'll remember the flaws he mentioned and my experience will be tarnished as a result. But what happens if I just ignore it? I'll feel stupid. I'm watching/playing something stupid and I should be ashamed.

It's impossible for me to acknowledge that it's just one man's opinion, when that one man is FAMOUS and loved by all. There's a reason real life celebrities don't give their actual opinions on things outside of paid endorsements, because everyone will listen to them like it's word of god.
No.394572
Anonymous
>>394571
>There's a reason real life celebrities don't give their actual opinions on things outside of paid endorsements, because everyone will listen to them like it's word of god.
I think the actual reason is that badmouthing another actor or filmmaker is kind of a shitty thing to do and makes you look like an asshole to people who you might have to work with in the future--whether that actor/filmmaker themselves, or people who have worked with them and like them.
No.394573
Anonymous
Also because they probably don't want to get blacklisted by any agencies/corporations.
No.394575
Anonymous
DOES ANYONE ELSE EVER FEEL DEPRESSED AT THE PROSPECT OF THEIR OWN MEDIOCRITY?
No.394577
slowmobile
Replies:>>394580
>>394575
nope, sorry anon, the rest of us are above average, you're the only one with mediocrity to fear.
>>394575
While it's really difficult to me to get easily depressed, almost every day of my life I fight against my own mediocrity, so I can understand you anon.
Just fight and never give up!
No.394580
Anonymous
>>394577
slow, literally nobody cares.
No.394581
slowmobile
>>394580
???
I was goofing off, I'm not sure what you mean
No.394582
Anonymous
Replies:>>394583
I know as far as memes go it's one of the least obtrusive ones, but goddamn, if I hear the word spoopy one more time...
No.394583
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394582

………spoopy.
No.394584
Anonymous
>>394580
But it really would be interesting if you were so bad as to pull the mean average below everybody else.
Wouldn't really be mediocre in that case, though, just awful.
No surprise someone that bad takes the news so poorly.
No.394587
Anonymous
Replies:>>394589
>>394569
In my opinion there is no definitive right or wrong way to wright about stuff, and I think a lot of amateur critics have definitions of "good writing" that are way too narrow.

>I always thought it would be problematic to take that mentality once I started working on stuff like comics or cartoons given how it'd cloud my judgement on my own work, but now that I am, I don't care about the nuance of the multiple branches of a greying morality or approaching work with cynicism and nihilism and...

It sounds like your goal is to make something enjoyable for people, even if it isn't something "respectable." In my opinion, taking that approach to your work actually shows a certain strength of character because it means your audience is more important to you than your ego.

I'm not saying you should dumb stuff down for the lowest common denominator, unless that's what you actually want to do, but I assume you respect your audience enough not to. Just write for whoever you want to write for, and feel free to do something that isn't "proper writing" if you feel like it benefits the story or your audience's experience in some way, is what I guess I am saying.

Sorry if giving unsolicited writing advice is making me sound douchey.
No.394588
Anonymous
>>394575
Most of the time.
No.394589
Anonymous
>>394587
>Sorry if giving unsolicited writing advice is making me sound douchey.
What? No, no this is great.
And I wouldn't say its completely unsolicited! Thank you.
No.394590
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394592
My chief problem with Internet reviewers like TGWTG and whatnot are that most of them are just way too goddamn negative. I mean, shit, I know we live in a day and age where a lot of us are cynical of a lot of shit—as if we can’t actually have any legitimate, unfettered feelings of joy—but these people take it to an insane level.

I can deal with things like MST3K and RiffTrax because they have a genuine love of movies and tend to mock parts of movies (or whole movies) that frankly deserve the mockery. Even Red Letter Media's Plinkett reviews are more about providing in-depth deconstructions of why certain things did or didn't work based on cinematic/storytelling theory. But TGWTG, CinemaSins, et al get so nitpicky with their bullshit that it makes you wonder if they've ever actually enjoyed anything in their lives after they hit puberty. Shit, Neil deGrasse Tyson was able to both poke holes in Gravity's various science-y aspects and admit he enjoyed the film regardless of those holes.

That’s really why I like watching Toonami’s brief game reviews and the reviews of The Happy Video Game Nerd: I'd rather watch people gush over something they enjoy and build up something they love. Destruction is easy. Anyone can nitpick a Marvel blockbuster or an AAA game to death. But creating a sense of joy and trying to instill it within others…aye, that is a far more challenging (and rewarding) act.

(That's not to say I don't enjoy a well-written negative review, mind you. Roger Ebert, for example, knew how to eviscerate a movie and put a smile on your face at the same time. But such reviews are few and far-between these days.)
No.394591
Anonymous
I've said this on /cog/, but I got bored of reviewers like AVGN and Zero Punctuation when they ran out of seriously, historically bad stuff like Superman 64 to thrash on, because to me it came off more as something special for the extra bad things that pretty much no one would ever seriously argue was well made. When they went on to the merely bland it took away what made them special.
No.394592
Anonymous
>>394590
>I'd rather watch people gush over something they enjoy and build up something they love.
That's why recently I've been enjoying some of Doug Walker's Avatar stuff (and ONLY that - I stay away from the other stuff on the site, really.) I like seeing someone show genuine enthusiasm for something.

And he's definitely showing it there.
No.394596
Nøpe
Did everyone just forget what the word "literally" means?

People seem to be using it to denote emphasis regardless if it's actually literal or not.
No.394597
Anonymous
>>394596
"Epic" was getting stale.
No.394599
Anonymous
>>394596
Dictionaries now include, effectively, "figuratively" among the definitions of the word "literally." This is a fight that has already been lost.
No.394600
Anonymous
Replies:>>394602
>>394596
I'm literally dying from shock that this is literally the first time you've come across literally braindead people using literally incorrectly.
No.394601
TeethandHunger
Welp, haunted house season is over once again. It went well.
No.394602
Anonymous
>>394600
I'm literally just using it ironically.
No.394604
Anonymous
Replies:>>394607
I've been trying to get more politically aware and it's really blowing my mind just how fucked everything is.

I mean I always knew things were bad, but Jesus.
No.394607
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394604
Yeah. At least politically, things are poor at best in America. (At least, that's what I assume you're talking about.) And because both parties have done a good job at making it "us vs. them", it's unlikely to change short of a political re-awakening, which I don't see happening. Our best bet right now is some combination a Martin Luther King Jr. and Elon Musk: a person who can bring both financial and political power to bear, who the majority of the people will willingly follow, and introduce changes that get passed through legislatures that will give the people far more power over their representatives and decimate the power of money and corporations.
No.394608
Anonymous
>like a girl. cute, nice personality, my type
>apparently she is only child of a single mother, tiger-mum as fuck

Not sure if I should bother... I should ask my friend about it (dating a Japanese only child whose mother stalks her everywhere but at least is funny about it)
No.394609
Anonymous
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>4AM
>roommate is still awake and chatting and laughing away on Skype, been doing this since midnight

Usually it's not a problem but he usually goes to bed at 1 or so. It's a school night. Both of us have class at 8 tomorrow. The fuck is wrong with you?
No.394612
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394613
If any of you are American and haven't voted, please do so!
No.394613
Anonymous
Replies:>>394614
>>394612
What's being voted on in America? There's so much shit going on in other parts of the world, my country's news don't really cover a lot of American national politics at the moment.
No.394614
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394615
>>394613
We're doing our "mid-term" elections for Congress. All Representative (two-year term) and some Senator (staggered six-year term) seats are up for election. Presidents are every four years, so Pres. Obama keeps his seat until 2016 (which is why this is called a "mid-term" election, as in mid-Presidential-term.) That's probably why your country's news doesn't mention it.

Neither of the two major parties have a majority in Congress at large (GOP has a slight majority in the House, but the Democrats have a slight majority in the Senate), and Congressional approval is still quite low (14%, slightly up from all-time at 9% a few months back: http://www.gallup.com/poll/178607/weeks-elections-congressional-approval-low.aspx). But, because of how American politics work, pretty much every incumbent will retain their seat despite that low rating (the problem is always with someone else's Congressman.)

There's a lot of dissatisfaction with our government in general, but how much and over what varies greatly and no one seems disturbed enough to vote for a third party (I doubt many even realize there are third parties; maybe they recognize "Independent".) Without that third party we won't get a shake-up we need in our election process (first-past-the-pole sux) to have proper representation, so I made sure to encourage everyone I know on Facebook to vote third party, though I doubt more than a few will.
No.394615
Anonymous
Replies:>>394616
>>394614
>But, because of how American politics work, pretty much every incumbent will retain their seat despite that low rating (the problem is always with someone else's Congressman.)

There is presently about a 75% chance that the Republicans will take control of the Senate.

However, they almost certainly will not get a filibuster-proof majority, and they definitely will not get a veto-proof majority, so this will not change anything. It's also pretty embarrassing for the Republicans that they only have a 75% chance of taking control right now--Republicans always have the advantage in mid terms, and they have EXTRA advantage when a Democrat is in the White House, so this year SHOULD be a slam dunk. But never let it be said that Republicans don't know how to pry defeat from the jaws of victory.
No.394616
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394615
Yeah, that's the FiveThirtyEight prediction, and they've been accurate in the past (in 2012 almost every place was declaring it would be neck-and-neck for the President, but Nate Silver was all "nah brah, Obama's got this one pretty well."). It saddens me that the people haven't wizened up that allowing the other party to gain greater control won't fix shit. Especially with how much the Republican party has done to alienate themselves vast swaths of people.

And if Pres. Obama hasn't shown people that Democrats and Republicans are the same type of Evil, Republicans can crucify babies on the Senate floor and we'll still be stuck with a two-party system in 2016.
No.394618
Anonymous
Hahaha.
It's fun to watch people talk politics.
No.394620
Anonymous
Tom Wolf won PA governor elections, I presume mostly because of coal and gas taxes he promised to instate.
No.394621
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394622
It's okay, America, everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
No.394622
Anonymous
Replies:>>394623
>>394621
Pretty sure not even one third party candidate won. And no, Bernie Sanders doesn't count. I'm sad. For fucks sake even Australia has more flexibility with its, what, five or so independent MPs?
No.394623
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394625
>>394622
Democrats and Republicans have done an excellent job making your average voting American shit-their-pants scared that if the "other" party wins it will bring about anarchy/fascism instantly. That fear keeps people from even thinking of voting third party, because a third-party vote makes them think it's more likely that the "other" party will win. Except both sides are happy to fuck over the common man, just in slightly different ways, and a large third-party vote is the only way to really force them to change. The GOP had to take a hard look at themselves in '92, when Perot got a sizable vote that many blame for Bush I not getting a second term.

We've been bouncing back and forth for half a century ("Okay, we've had our eight years, now you guys can have a turn to fuck things up") and while some things have gotten worse, some things have gotten better, and in the end everyone can still buy Kraft cheese and watch the NFL so no one really cares to evaluate our political landscape and just vote alongside either a jackass or a lumbering beast.
No.394624
Tora Dora !n0CyHpL66I
On the positive side, MJ's now legal in Oregon, Alaska, and DC, and legal for medical reasons in Guam. And CA just made it so that drug and property offenses, unless serious, sexual or violent, must be charged as misdemeanors (unless they already have violent/sexual convictions) so yay, mass incarceration weakened slightly!
No.394625
Anonymous
Replies:>>394627
>>394623
>a large third-party vote is the only way to really force them to change.
That is neither the only way to force them to change, nor will it even succeed at forcing them to change in the first place.
No.394626
Anonymous
Not him, but you are meant to supply a point to support your statement.
No.394627
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394625
>That is neither the only way to force them to change
I'm open to alternatives. Revolution isn't realistic nor ideal, and all change must happen from the outside because these people are not going to change the system that allows them their power.

>nor will it even succeed at forcing them to change in the first place.
Why not? If both parties see a measurable, nationwide rebellion against their power, they'll change their tune to bring the voters back in line. To them, the only thing worse than not having absolute power is not having any power. A one off or small percentage won't change anything, sure; it has to happen in at least two consecutive elections across much of the nation, both rural and urban.

If they don't, third-party support will increase, and eventually take enough seats to potentially bring about change.
No.394628
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394624

DC's legalization is not finalized, BTW. Congress still has a chance to shoot it down and the lawmakers have to wait until legalization is finalized before they can start working on plans to regulate/tax marijuana. Ah, the oddities of the law-making process of our nation's capital.

>>394627

Third parties will never get support for the simple fact that they don't have the resources to compete with the current two. It would take a billionaire putting shitloads of money into a third party for said party to have a fighting chance against the GOP and Dems on a state level.
No.394629
Anonymous
>>394627
>I'm open to alternatives.
Aggressive grass roots activism. Keep in mind by "aggressive" I don't mean "violent" or combative, just unrelenting and proactive.

>Why not?
Because as long as Citizens United remains the law of the land, it doesn't matter who gets elected or what party they belong to, the people in charge are always, always, always going to be the people who write their checks. Democrat, Republican, Green, Libertarian--they will most likely not even make it on the ballot without substantial corporate sponsorship, and they certainly not make it into office.
No.394630
Nøpe
Replies:>>394631
And so the endless cycle continues.
No.394631
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394630

War, Peace, and Revolution—the three beats of the Endless Waltz.
No.394632
Anonymous
>>394624
Plus it will probably have the long-term benefit of preventing the radicalization of people imprisoned over minor offenses by keeping them from being exposed to the kinds of people and environments that promote or exacerbate that kind of extreme criminal behavior in the first place.
No.394643
Anonymous
So at this point I'm doing pretty much anything to avoid working.
Watching youtube videos or twitch or reading comics.

I'm seriously doubting my ability to be a freelance artist unsupervised, guys!
No.394644
Anonymous
>>394643
Being your own boss really is fucking tough. All I can say is that you need to get yourself to knuckle down and do what you have to do. Trying to think about HOW to get yourself to do that won't work, little mental tricks won't cut it. The horrible truth is that you just need to will yourself into working.
No.394647
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>394643

I know that feel, bro. Been trying to kick my ass into more freewriting/pixelling, but I can barely get through an hour of either without resorting to falling back on the Internet for a distraction (and then it's wheeeeeeee all the way down the rabbit hole).
No.394649
Anonymous
I built a fucking fence today. I feel accomplished.
No.394655
Anonymous
Replies:>>394656
I hate myself and I want to die.
No.394656
Anonymous
>>394655
Hey pal I have just the thing for you: build a garden fence, feel like a fucking champ.
No.394665
Anonymous
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I think nofap is settling in; I just got a little horny out of nowhere.

I know that doesn't sound very interesting but that hasn't happened in years.
No.394666
Anonymous
I did a nofap July last year.

Not because I wanted to. I was in the middle of having clinical depression.

I was very much disgusted at the idea of human beings interacting.
No.394669
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Well I blew it at NoFap a few days ago, so fuck me up the ass and call me Sally.

On the bright side: getting a little freewriting done here and there, and I've got a couple of pixel art ideas in mind (helped by my working on some color palettes).
No.394670
Anonymous
Good on you, Stone!

I just got work experience im so fucking stoked
No.394671
Anonymous
>SO told me they loves me
>one of the managers at work wants me to apply for a higher position where i will actually be able to make a comfortable amount of money while doing moderately interesting things
>just realized loan payment isn't due until next month, grace period ends this month but isn't due til the next
>so i have money left over to buy some new clothes i desperately need for work

Feeling good.
No.394676
Anonymous
Replies:>>394677
>At work
>A discussion of anime (that I didn't initiate) is nearly segued into a similarities with hentai discussion

Why.

I swear, people ain't got no sorts of home training these days. What in the world is wrong with you that makes you think this appropriate work conversation? I'm just glad the talk got cut short from us having work to do before another co-worker came by.
No.394677
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394676
When some people get into discussions they find highly interesting/relevant, they sometimes forget where they are. I was talking to someone at my university library for a bit and somehow the subject of 4chan came up. He said he went there often. Thinking I might have found a fellow /co/mrade, I asked him what boards he frequented. With little hesitation he responded "/d/".

Thankfully for him it was incredibly unlikely anyone would understand what that meant, even if they were aware of 4chan (at best they'd think he said "/b/"), but I ended that part of our conversation fairly quickly. Not that I couldn't have talked to him for hours about fetishes, but a college library is not quite the place to do that...
No.394691
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>394698
As a former soldier, I'm kind of annoyed at all of the "Thank our veterans!" stuff I'm seeing today. Don't get me wrong, it's great to support the veterans, but the difference in open support between yesterday and today (or today and tomorrow, for that matter) is many orders of magnitude. Reminds me of people who claim to be deeply religious, but only go to church(1) on Christmas and Easter. Having a "holiday" is fine to give focus to something, but it annoys me when it's used for this huge outpouring and then nothing before or after..

Consider Valentine's Day: As far as I'm aware, while a couple's romance may go up, it doesn't appear from thin air and disappear right back before and after that day.

(1) Not that you are required to go to church to be religious, but when you do and it's only on Christmas and Easter I find that highly hypocritical. "Oh yeah, I guess I have to go praise that Jesus dude now. Tis the season etc."
No.394698
Anonymous
Replies:>>394699
>>394691
Was that you that worked as a cook or am I losing my marbles and melting them into one big lump of whatever marbles are made out of?
No.394699
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394698
Yeah, I was a cook.
No.394701
Anonymous
Coming up with stories is really fun but actually writing them out is the most tedious fucking shit.
No.394703
Dr Goblin
Replies:>>394707
Hey, guess who's back?
No.394706
Anonymous
I should really change my ISP, but I'm just too lazy.
No.394707
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394703
Slim Shady? Welcome back
No.394708
Anonymous
Is it taboo to always order the same thing at a fast food place?

I walked in today and the lady was like "oh I remember you! The usual, right?" Then she started talking to the people in the back, giggling "this dude orders the same thing every time!" I shouldn't have felt as embarrassed as I did.
No.394709
Anonymous
>>394708
>Is it taboo to always order the same thing at a fast food place?

No. Just chat it up. Don't go on the defensive. They just might be making conversation and helping their day move along. Doesn't sound like they were being malicious.
No.394710
Anonymous
>>394708
There aren't a lot of places to eat near my work, so I tend to go to the same places once a week. I'm on a first name basis with pretty much everyone who works at those places by now, and they all know what I get well enough to call me on it when I order something different.

Yeah, it's a little embarrassing at first, but it's really a non-issue. Honestly it makes things a bit easier. They're a lot less likely to get your order wrong when they know you and know what you order every time.
No.394711
Anonymous
>>394708
>Is it taboo to always order the same thing at a fast food place?
What? No.

Just don't make it weird if anyone comments on it.
No.394712
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>boss blocks Facebook at work
>the block requires a browser add-on to be affective
>disable browser add-on
No.394714
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Got into Ello.

Not sure what to do with it.

So at least I'm starting out on it like I've done with every other social media service I've used.
No.394715
Dr. Gobling
Replies:>>394716
>>394708
>I walked in today and the lady was like "oh I remember you! The usual, right?" Then she started talking to the people in the back, giggling "this dude orders the same thing every time!" I shouldn't have felt as embarrassed as I did.
No. Working in fast food is so mind numbing, this is what passes for mildly entertaining.
No.394716
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>394715
Yup. In most retail/service jobs you'll hook onto anything like that. Every time I've had a job like that you start to pick up that stuff and get excited for it because it breaks the monotony.

Right now there's this one lady at the Big Lots I go to most Sundays that keeps saying she hasn't seen me in for a while, though I am in almost every Sunday though not necessarily at the same time. I think she's just trying to be friendly, but it does annoy me a bit. (I don't like chit chat, I want to purchase my items and leave; talking distracts from that.)
No.394725
Anonymous
The weirdest fucking thing just happened (spoilered for common decency, graphic detail and suspense)I think I just jizzpissed. I'm on day 17 of NoFap and I was stepping into the shower. I habitually pee before turning on the water, and I thought it would be funny to think of the girl I like and doing a groin thrust while starting to pee. So I did, and after peeing I look down and my tip is covered in sticky clear stuff. idek. It didnt smell bleachy like cum and it wasn't cloudy, but a teaspoon of it came out of my dick. It might of been a ton of pre-cum or something. It felt mucoussy (half way between shampoo and cum) and wasn't hard to wash off.

I don't even know what to think about this.
No.394726
Anonymous
↑ PS: did research, most likely was a lot of pre-ejaculate. Sorry for part-irrelevancy to the thread; I just needed to vent my wtf
No.394730
Anonymous
Replies:>>394734
I used to type all, what you would call, formally and tried to do so in a manner that would best represent my intellectual stature.

But then I started, like, getting friends and stuff! And, like, now thanks to them and my girlfriend I've started typing like this all the time! :P
:D
No.394734
Anonymous
>>394730
I've just started talking to a girl on Facebook and now I'm even using exclamation marks regularly! :P
No.394735
Anonymous
I'm so sleep deprived nowadays from college, I feel physically unstable. Like, I literally feel like my heart will give up because it's been working too hard.
No.394736
Rametarin
Replies:>>394739
>>394735
Those are called "panic attacks." At least, they are when your heart is in good shape and you still feel like you're at death's door. They're caused by too much stress. It's not truly psychosomatic, so much as it's your body torturing you, speaking earnestly and non-hyperbolically, into taking it easy for a while.
No.394739
Anonymous
Replies:>>394755
>>394735
>>394736
Panic attacks are tied in to heart rate and general levels of stress, so anything you do that might raise your heart rate (for example, drinking a lot of caffeine, which is likely if you're sleep deprived) can often trigger them.
No.394753
Anonymous
Replies:>>394754
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"Writing for Broadcast Media" isn't so much about script format as it is about writing fanfiction.
No.394754
Anonymous
>>394753
Why would it be about script format? You can teach script format in a day. Or you can just use Final Draft and let that take care of the format. Meanwhile if you're hired as a writer for a TV show, first of all you're probably going to get hired based on a spec script for another current show in the same genre, and second of all the most important thing they'll be looking for is whether or not you can match the voice of the show itself rather than writing something more signature but that doesn't mesh well with the show you're writing.

Fanfiction is the entire job of a staff writer.
No.394755
Anonymous
>>394739

I can attest to the heart-rate thing. After a couple of years dealing with panic attacks, I finally learned to control them partially through yogic breathing techniques.

(As a side-effect, I am now a Hamon master. Sunlight Panic Overdriiiiiiive!)
No.394756
Anonymous
Replies:>>394757
Does anyone else suddenly feel really sick and weak at the mention of say, a specific thing or person be it online or anywhere else?

Like, you could be going along your day just fine but then you see this person (maybe doing or saying something particularly irksome to you, personally) and then you're feeling like shit and about to heave?

Or is that just me?
No.394757
Anonymous
>>394756
I get slightly queezy when I see the Beagle Boys. I don't know either. Must be some kind of childhood trauma I'm suppressing.
No.394759
Tora Dora !n0CyHpL66I
Replies:>>394760
So anxious. I find out if I passed the bar Friday. Even if I pass, I have moral character issues holding me up. I did some things I'm not proud of in college...and law school. While part of me knows that my bad behavior was because of my untreated issues, and I hope that the Bar will be merciful, part of me fears they'll see through me. They'll know I'm a weak, selfish, substance issues or not, is too lazy and crazy and stupid to be anything of value, let alone a lawyer. I fear I'll be stuck here with my parents (moved back in and am working with my dad) until they find out I'm on hormones and either fire me and cut me off or force me to stop; that my fiancée will leave me or die before I can become a lawyer; that I'll never amount to anything because I'm a shitty person, have spoiled every opportunity and relationship that's just been handed to me, and deserve every bad thing that happens to me. And even just expressing those feelings makes me feel worse, because I feel like a self-pitying piece of shit complaining about how good I got it.
No.394760
Anonymous
>>394759
Honestly it's pretty normal to feel anxious about a lot of that stuff. Other than whatever is going on with your fiance or with your hormones, I can relate pretty well to just about everything you described.
No.394761
Anonymous
I never understood what goes through people's heads when they call suicide hotlines. Is it "I'm going to kill myself and need you to stop me"? Doesn't that mean you don't want to do it, and therefore won't?
No.394762
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>394766
>>394761

That…is actually a good question.
No.394763
Anonymous
>>394761
Sometimes you just need to unload all the shit making you feel like that and have nobody else even willing to listen.
Does anyone know what happened to Kosh? ;3; I haven't seen him in a long time and he didn't answer a message I sent... I hope it's just something like I fucked up and he's ignoring me, but psudonym hasn't seen him around for a long time either.
No.394765
Nøpe
Replies:>>394766
>>394761
>Doesn't that mean you don't want to do it
Yes.
>and therefore won't?
No.

Even suicidal people usually don't want to end it, but they often feel that there's no way out of their situation or depression. They feel they have no choice. Having someone to vent to, someone who will actually listen, helps ease those feelings.
No.394766
Tora Dora !n0CyHpL66I
>>394765
>>394761
>>394762

You can want conflicting things simultaneously. For example, you can want to feel the pleasure of getting high, but also want to maintain sobriety. You can want to to die and not feel pain anymore, but also want to keep living. It's a matter of "I'm reaching the point where my desire to die is overwhelming my desire to live. Rationally, I know it's wrong to kill myself, but emotionally I'm suffering greatly and want it to stop. Please affirm the value of my life and help me get through this."
No.394768
Anonymous
Replies:>>394771
>>394764
>but psudonym hasn't seen him around for a long time either.
Can you go a day without mentioning her? One your blog or otherwise?
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>>394768

Can you go a day without being an absolute cunt?
>>394764
Have you tried on Steam?
He seems to be pretty active there.
And yeah, it's weird he just stopped using tumblr out of nowhere.
No.394773
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
I’m a complete fucking mess. I haven’t been the least bit productive over the past week and I am just all kinds of bluh in my head. I feel so disconnected from the person I want to become.
No.394782
Anonymous
Do people still skate? Is that still a thing?
No.394790
Anonymous
What type of skating? Like skateboarding or ice-skating or what?

I don't do any
No.394944
Anonymous
>>394259
>isn't about anything other than shitting on a small group of people
Yeah no shit, a small group of corrupt journalists.