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It's a meme, doesn't do shit, and in some cases the spite you get is actually worse

>>83703
Not effective at all.

It's only effective when the small amount of people influenced by campaigning can sway results.

>>83703
In Qualifiers, it affects few people.
During the rounds, if affects some of the ones who are undecided between the characters.

>>83703
Campaigns only serve as tie-breakers in most circumstances. Campaigns are RARE to ever actually effect a characters chances to win, the only notable ones coming from King /v/ with Batter and Grimm, the former having the record for the most OC created to date.

Campaigning alone usually won’t carry a character. It’s a mix of legacy, campaigning, and the actual character(s).

>>83703
Campaigning is only "useful" in round 1 and maybe round 2. Nominations is just samefagged to hell and people want to post pictures of their nominees first. In Qualifiers it doesn't matter, the only ones getting past 128 are the ones that are popular on their own.

>>83703
It's useless past round 4/E8

In /tnt/? It decides who wins and who loses most of the time.
In 4chan? It does jack shit.

>>83886
It’s MORE important there in my experience. The early rounds are what usually kill campaigns.

>>83886
A character with no campaign isn't winning a round in the E8.

>>83703
Campaigning is really only there to fill the threads. Besides, we know that the hosts rig the results anyways.

>>83901
Except for Chel. She’s too powerful now.

I don't know

>>83703
I think it's rather nuanced. For a campaign to matter they gotta be:
>at a modicum of popularity, they can't be literal who's
>degree of place and presence for the general userbase (largely millennials and an increasing amount of zoomers, of a generally somewhat autistic and cynical variety)
>from a generally board approved media - or at least an inoffensive one (something that jives well with the demographic), no controversies or politics surrounding it
>not be memed, psyoped, cursed, or bogged down with some problematic meta shit in tourney history
>not quite as important but perhaps some degree of meta recognition and campaign accumulated over years
/tnt/ is a little more lax on all this, but just a little. Something like DTVA is still doomed no matter what they do.

>>83959
>>at a modicum of popularity, they can't be literal who's
I assume this is what's killing Cheesecake

>>83973
Probably. tbh i didn't know who she was before this.
Also should've added something about prior winning series. That'd be part of the issue with Tiff.

>>83703
It's just a complete waste of time. I have been campaigning for my girl (who's a very popular character) for 2 years in a row and she still hasn't gotten to the Elite 8 yet. I gave up now.

>>84140
Two years missing E8 isn’t end of the world on its own. How far has she gotten thus far? Is she prone to poor bracket luck?

>>84167
She got into the Sweet 16. Her bracket luck is not the best but certainly not the worst either.

>>83703
I don't think campaigning will save a hated or overly obscure character, but campaigning can absolutely boost the appeal of a popular one. Skeletor's Gmod stuff, all of the art for Amaterasu and Curly Brace, Wuya and Eris being pretty much the only significantly artfagged characters left in ms. /co/ past round 2
Unless it's king /v/ and then that all goes out the window, it's whatever is decided as "/v/-core" and/or contrarian in that moment and can carry the power of friendship or some shit. It's not even consistent, a Jetstream Sam post in round 3 stirred a ton of shit in King /v/ and drew everybody's attention to the Wario vs Alex Eagleston and Eggman vs Geralt matchups, and it made results super weird. Dr. Eggman utterly stomped Geralt, a pretty much universally beloved character, but Wario, another beloved character, only barely beat Alex Eagleston, a somewhat controversial character.

>>83929
Why did you reply to Buck Wild?

>>84172
He was replying to >>83918 but the post was deleted before being reposted.

>>83918
I mean, Dr. Eggman had a campaign going since round 1 and he made it all the way to finals in one of the most stacked drawing events ever.

>>84178
>Eggman
He is a shitter that will never gonna make it. Knew it even before the tryhard campaign started.

>>84179
Shut up Sonic, you'll forever be a round one jobber

>>84183
>Sometimes when your character just keeps failing despite how much you push for them it's just easier to move on and try with another character you also like.
Okay but what if your character is doing fine but you keep missing the top 128 qualifiers by like 1-2 votes

>>84183
Funnily Wuya was a main of min since the first year but by the time she had her semi-miraculous victory she'd fallen off for me. Also the year I stop pushing Wordgirl she not only makes it but gets round 2.

>>84187
Just give up. It won't happen.

>>84190
Not with that attitude. Rayman experienced just that and look where he is now!

>>83703
Tiff finally qualified this year and made it all the way to Round 3, so it DOES eventually pay off if that character has an established fanbase.

>>84198
He's a classic who happened to have a resurface recently thanks to that netflix show and even then his poster didn't rely on that much for his campaign

>>84169
Then I’d keep pushing.

>>84143
>>84147
I think DTVA fags should recognize they are eternal round 1 jobbers and play off that fact, maybe do something similar to the Coffin of Incest campaigner in King who realized his pick was fucked so he just campaigned as a heel ie King Boo, Icon of Sin
Only exception is Anne who's probably the only DTVA character with any semblance of a chance, yes she jobbed round 1 again but she at least came remarkably close to beating out Azula

>>84234
Anne is absolutely carried by her drawfag ngl. Easily one of the best artists in any of the tournaments.

>>84238
Being carried would imply she's allowed to even win

>>84242
She's carried in being close to win against Azula.

>>84245
A silent pick tbh

>>84256
Not really.

>>84234
DTVA gets trashed but Anne felt sort of ripped off to me. Without ms. /co/ voting being fucky and the right bracketing Anne could actually make it far imo. She's got the kind of support that compounds as it goes. Time might be past though. Several frog and owl fags told me they've gotten demoralized and just quit.

>>83901
Jack Frost though

>>84384
that's what happens when assholes that only get humor from subversion over substance get their way. Agent 47 vs Battler is another big example.
I'm so glad the Jetstream Sam poster in King didn't get his way, there's an argument for Geralt over Eggman, but Alex is such a stupid character

>>84459
>I'm so glad the Jetstream Sam poster in King didn't get his way, there's an argument for Geralt over Eggman, but Alex is such a stupid character
I agree with you but I think people really overreacted to that whole thing when he just insinuated that a match could happen.

>>84459
>he doesn't like megaten KINO

>>83865
Grimm was always a top 20 seed.

>>83865
>>84514
Same thing for Batter

>>84486
Hey, Demifiend in King 2023 was fantastic. He was a fantastic contestant, SMT fans should be proud of their 2023 efforts.
Jack Frost was completely different to the point it's a wonder it's the same series, because he sure didn't act like it. His campaign record was
>some E621 links of jack frost porn
>"Hey guys, Mario fucking sucks. I'm going to poop on a crayon drawing of Mario"
>"Why is Phoenix wright silent all of a sudden, guys he's literally silent you have to vote for me now" (he wasn't, there were still plenty of court videos made but silentfagging was really bad that year, drove off a lot of anons that bothered to interact with OC)
>"Hey, wouldn't Jack-off be hilarious" and then proceeds to be the most lamest finale in tournament history

>>84518
Batter literally has only ever qualified once.

>>84518
>>83865
Man, Batter REALLY got a boost by basically being a stick figure to make art of. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but in retrospect it's easy to see why characters with simple and easy to draw designs like Batter, Grimm, Fang (Primal) tend to get a lot more campaign art than the more complex ones like Skeletor or Midna. It doesn't affect their quality as characters, I'm just saying it definitely affects their art output. What could've edge Midna over Alipheese in 2022 is Alipheese managed to have a design even MORE complicated to draw than Midna, all of those tattoos and jewelry she has are a nightmare to keep track of.
AM is going to be absolutely nuts in King 2024. He's a black square with orange letters on it, he's so simple you can make faithful art of him on a lite-brite.

>>84523
Don’t forget a Jack Frost supporter rigged that one “Favorite Games of /v/“ poll a couple days ago, for whatever reason. That really killed any remaining interest I had in a redemption arc this year.

>>83703
Campaigning is a mid seed meme. It can help low seeds somewhat, but usually not carry them to E8. I like to think that maybe a low seed campaigning for several years might eventually bump their status, but I've yet to see this happen.
And of course, top 10 seeds actually don't need to try unless they're FOTM or something like that.

>>84547
>I like to think that maybe a low seed campaigning for several years might eventually bump their status, but I've yet to see this happen.
John Silver went from 121st seed to 57th seed after one year of campaigning.

>>84560
Mr. /co/ 2023 seeds were fucked, I'm pretty sure the #1 seed didn't even have as many votes as the lowest seed last year, so that's not very indicative.

>>84459
>>84481
People also undersell Geralt a lot when it comes to the tournaments. Not only has this character alongside AM impacted the tournament themselves but Geralt is one of the King /v/'s non-elites with the most booru entries at 50.

>>84568
Tied with Father Garcia funnily enough.

>>84568
It is not underselling when he consistently barely qualifies by the skin of his teeth?
>>84481
Oh yeah that was extremely retarded.

>>84571
I don't know if Father Garcia would hate Geralt for being a mutant or if the two would join forces to kill monsters

>>84547
Aren't Loona and Fang (Snoot) typically very high seeds that never make it past round 1? Seeds aren't the only factor to a character's success

>>84530
>He's a black square with orange letters on it, he's so simple you can make faithful art of him on a lite-brite.
You have never tried to seriously campaign for AM if you believe this. Once you go past the initial move of just editing his pillar everywhere for the sake of juxtaposition (this is what a good deal of his OC amounted to in 2021 btw) campaigning for AM isn't as simple as that. The one advantage he offers is that he has nearly infinite visual interpretations to go off, although that doesn't always translate to being easier to draw.
Idk, visually depicting non-corporeal being is kinda difficult.

There is a fine line between campaigning and spamming, which differs from person to person.

>>84642
ENGINEER GAMING

>>84642
BULLSHIT

>>84597
Geralt has met hundreds of priests in his lifetime, many of whom despise him. But Geralt is a fair man who doesn't disrespect the religion of anybody unless they personally infringe and disrespect him. He's befriended and earned the respects of many priests, some of whom hated Geralt to his guts.

It’s mostly a excuse for me to make and post drawings of characters I like that I would never share otherwise

>>84826
I've wondered that myself, but unless you create a genuine fear factor like Hexanon did when he started drawing Eggman I don't think so.

>>84566
Just keep at it and don't give up I guess, if Jack O'Lantern can make it after years of campaigning in the qualifiers I think anyone can

>>84826
I think the Plunderers are a uniquely /tnt/ thing as they're like the expected super champs here.
Also what's wrong with DTVA campaigns? There's just Jackiefag who's only in it for attention whoring.

>>84875
This, I never heard of FAITH before king 2022 and they left a good enough impression for me to gladly vote for them every round I could in 2023

>>84523
That's a kino campaign right there.

I have zero clue who in the flying fuck Cheesecake is and at this point I’m not sure if I want to know

>>84875
I wonder how some of the memorable newcomers from King last year will do this year. I feel like Johnny Cage, James Sunderland, and Kefka could also do well next year and get higher seeds. Andrew Graves might get back in again too but he'll job round 1 and tell everyone to cry about it.

>>83703
Campaigning can help sometimes, I'm still surprised Alex made it past round one.

>>84909
>*tell everyone to have a melty about it.

>>84867
>only
>ignoring the times DTVAfags have shamelessly spammed in /v/
They get what they deserve.

>>84909
Did Kefka do anything in King?

>>84938
Cross-board funposting isn't a tourney campaign.

>>84951
Not much if I'm honest

>>84514
He didn't qualify in 2020 and was 32 in 2021.

>>84964
I, for one, would welcome our samechad overlord.

>>84966
I want our samegod to win

>>83865
Recette only won through the efforts of a single drawfag.

>>84968
who

>>84968
Not single. Also Recette is an unprecedented case of a low seed winning that hasn't been repeated since.

>>84968
false, she was rigged by the hosts

>>84971
There's only one character deserving of being the recette of KO/V/

>>84951
He had some support early on and helped further King KWABoo's humiliation after that qualifier blunder, but he got taken out quickly before he could build a lot of momentum. Still I can see him coming back this year with a higher seed at least.

>>84974
And that person is?

>>84978
Battler

>>84979
Battler has way too much tourney history to be a Recette equivalent. It'd have to be someone that has had no spotlight of any kind before.

>>84978
Alex from YIIK

>>84951
He got to Rematch Wario but strangely enough I don't think I saw a single person bring it up

Does campaigning in qualifiers do jackshit? I always saw it merely as a way to generate memes, character gimmicks and one of two rivalries at most before the start of the tournament proper (a warm up of sorts esencially), not as a genuinely effective way of getting support since most of the time it's just irrelevant characters that keep getting spammed without making any real impact

>>84989
I remember seeing that, but I don't remember seeing any Kefka post at all. That said, I was campaigning and not paying too much attention.

>>84990
You can get a few more votes, helps if it's a character that is already somewhat popular but places just outside the 128, but it doesn't do anything if it's a character that gets few votes, 10 or 30 doesn't change anything.
I still think Qualifiers are the best rounds in the tournaments.

>>84990
I got my 2 different never evers to qualify two years in a row for Queen.

>>84990
It got Rance to get KWAB status

>>84990
As someone still genuinely surprised that Johnny made it, I feel like the push me and others made for him in Qualifiers has to be what gave him the edge.

>>85001
Were you the one who made those Johnny cage edits?

>>84990
>I always saw it merely as a way to generate memes, character gimmicks and one of two rivalries at most before the start of the tournament proper (a warm up of sorts esencially)
My mains are popular enough to get in without an issue, so this is all I do during qualifiers, but I still have fun with it. One big part of my main's campaign in King last year started from some funposts in qualifiers that kept going, and it was really fun.

>>85005
Good shit anon loved it, can't wait to see you improve next KO/V/

>>84964
It would actually be hilarious considering that /v/ fucking loathes Geralt.

>>84954
Doesn't make it any less spammish

>>85045
They're both shit but at least Wuya isn't generic pedobait.

>>84575
>It is not underselling when he consistently barely qualifies by the skin of his teeth?
That’s because he’s the only witcher character to ever be nominated in a ever growing nominations list. In 2023 we saw a second witcher character be nominated which gave Geralt a tad bit more chance at qualifying.

>>85045
Another point towards Recette over Wuya is how there was more sincere interest and discussion around her source material. There wasn't a lot but I sure as fuck remember a few OC pieces from aerd with Tear. Did OFA ever make something with Jack or reference Ghost Wuya?
Although Wuya did have more people vouching for her (Omi posting while stupid as fuck was very memorable), but the fact her main campaigner doesn't really seem to care about her series in the slightlest is kind of sad.

>Wuya went from being seen as the first non controversial solid Ms /co/ winner after Jenny to being seen as being on the same level as Recette in only a few months
That has got to be a new record for “shortest amount of time a winner’s reputation has been completely ruined”.

>>85062
After all of this I wish I campaigned for Wuya.

>>85062
I'm just gonna ignore what that Recettefag said. Ignoring all the drawfag drama, Wuya is still a much better winner than Recette. Mado would be a superior winner in every way while Eris would just be a sidegrade at best.

>>85067
I dunno man judging the winner primarily in comparison to the runner-up seems disingenuous, that's like saying Zorak is shit because Carl would've been better. I can still like Zorak even if I was a Carl main.

>>85067
It's just kind of hypocritical to give Recette so much shit for having a shitty person be her main campaigner while Wuya gets a free pass. I personally prefer Wuya as a character and I don't think this completely ruins her victory, but I understand why she will be controversial to some.

>>85045
I don't remember Wuya having that much "underdog meta" in the threads outside of semi's, and then it was more her and Eris being seen as a campaigner's choice final over Toph/Raven (everyone seemed to agree finals was going to be and should be one or the other). Also I wouldn't say Wuya has a free pass, her rep's already tanking as you can see lol.
But unless it turns out she was literally rigged I'd still put Wuya over Recette. Wuya wasn't really an underdog when you think about it. She already had legacy both in the tourney and the board and had all the demographic factors to be a winner. Xiaolin Showdown's somewhat of a cult classic everyone on /co/ has seen and Wuya is a popular toon waifu. If the OFA/NSA stuff never came out I don't think years later people would be complaining and literally who-ing about her like they are Recette.

WHERE THE FUCK IS GOKU?!?!

>>84867
I still find it kinda strange that DTVA eats shit on here when they try to campaign, yet FNAF was able to win a tournament because of campaigning despite both series having a stigma of being "buenoy zoomer shit"

>>84826
Probably only on here

>>85079
Very curious how /dbs/ and their 'campaigning' would do in the mythical /a/ tourney. Can see either extreme happening to them.

>>85087
A /pw/ tourney would be gold. A whole board of competitive dbs/baki tier shit.

>>85084
/dbs/ has funposting power on top of mass appeal across the entire site, if Dragon Ball characters don’t become DTVA tier jobbers they’ll instead become the Mr /a/ equivalent of Touhou in Queen /v/.

>>85088
A /fit/ tournament and a /pw/ tournament would be filled to the brim with dumb funposts. I want both to happen.

>>85067
Eris would've been kind of a shit winner imo. CHAOSposting stopped being funny a while ago.

>>85078
I agree but the Wuya/Eris vs Toph/Raven thing was definitely being framed as Underdogs vs Powerhouses considering all four were to some degree campaigner picks; Raven the least so but Toph was at least as campaigned as Wuya and Eris were.
>>85080
Probably because, even though a lot of people here don't like or don't care about FNAF, the FNAF posters are at least pretty amicable unlike DTVAfags who have a bunch of notoriously insufferable faggots like Jackiefag and Libbyfag.

>>85080
FNAF posters are chads, DTVA posters make thread unusable, simple as.

>>85097
Libbyfag quit acting like a dickhead and mostly dissapeared a long time ago, and campaigned normally last ms. /co/.

>>85045
Xiaolin Showdown isn't as obscure as Recettear which is good or bad depending on the person, Wuya was a jobber for years instead of just showing up one year and winning it all, and this "THE underdog" thing I don't remember besides Semi's where people were trying to get a Wuya and Eris finale, but I do remember people talking about liking Wuya as a villain and thinking she deserved the win more than Eris for being a better villain and having more prominence in her show. Wuya also had other artists and campaigners, though they showed up late, like the Jack roleplayer that sang Peaches.
>I just think there's a double standard
This post came across as trying to drag another winner down to prop up Recette even if that wasn't intended.

>>85080
I think other than tourney history it's the fact that:
>/v/ hasn way more traffic so more n00bs/casuals/zoomers so they go easier on popular nu media.
>lesbians and pozzed politics (whether it's true or just memes)
I can almost guarantee if the glamrocks gals were canon lesbians or often fanned as such they would've flopped.

>>85067
>Mado would be a superior winner in every way while Eris would just be a sidegrade at best.
I at least like all four characters in question here, but I’m still glad someone else said it. Eris is a fun character, but I wouldn’t have been that enthusiastic over her outright winning. While Raven vs. Toph would have been the “boring” match-up, it would have still been nice after all the bizarre antics that have occurred around Ms. /co/ the past several years. The votes weren’t that far off anyways in semi-finals.

For what it’s worth, I still think the Top 4 we got were leagues ahead of a lot of the competition.

>>85138
Wuya had more going for her than just the underdog thing but I definitely do remember people bringing that up, especially in relation to as you said the potential of hyping up the idea of having her go from a lowcard jobber to winner of the whole tournament.
>>85147
I feel like for DTVA it's not even the pozzed stuff that kills it (though for owl house it definitely is) I think it's more disdain for the "forced" loreshit /co/ started getting tired of. There's also the "ribe wars shit that leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth even if a lot of it is just falseflagging. FNAF I think is more inoffensive outside of being seen as zoomer slop and being associated with furries.

>>85506
>more disdain for the "forced" loreshit /co/ started getting tired of.
Note Gravity Falls and Star vs. seem to have more of a board pass probably largely for premiering earlier. Which is a shame cause I legit think OH and Amphibia are overall better.

>>85080
Fucking Undertale/Deltarune and Pizza Tower do better than DTVA
/v/ may be the more competitive tourneys but they're more merciful to properties associated with zoomers

>>85535
Didn't Undertale first blow up on /v/ and Pizza Tower started development there? I think the better comparisons to DTVA would probably be Among Us or same mass produced, AAA slop that never goes anywhere in the tournaments.

>>85544
nigga, Disney lore at least has characters, in-depth plots, large design work, and general creator passion. A mass produced amongus equivalent would be like Dora the Explorer or some other barrage of factory generated baby programs.

>>85097
You forgot the part other DTVA spammers aside from Jackie and Libby also tend to post in /v/ whereas the Glamgals anon doesn't do that with his picks. He also was producing OC while helping other people's campaigns which gave Glamgals a good look.

>>85565
I'm just surprised Jackiefag hasn't gone extinct already.

I'm just gonna say it. Toy Chica had a great and underrated campaign last year. Do I think she should win? Probably not. But it had lots of good presence and OC and they seem like they're just genuinely having fun. Unlike other characters... >*cough*Fang*cough

DTVA will win some day.

>>85600
...in my headcanon.

>>85600
Doof or Scrooge

>>85608
Dooge

>>85609
Owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome?

>>85577
All the FNaF girls had fun and they were used as examples at how they handled their loss with dignity compared to the Fangfags

>>85608
Calling Doof DTVA strikes me as more of a technicality, and calling Scrooge DTVA is just wrong. If you want to stretch the meaning that much you might as well call Kronk a DTVA winner because Emperor's New School aired on the Disney Channel.
If we limit DTVA to its traditional tourney definition of Frog/Owl/Ghost, yeah none of those characters are ever winning. I think Anne could *maybe* crack Elite Eight if the stars align but the rest just exist to prop up other characters by being guaranteed round 1 jobbers.

>>85742
I do feel bad for TOH in particular, but I’m also not in denial over its odds. They couldn’t even get in something smaller scale like Tag-Team just now. Anne would need the stars to align, and I don’t see it happening barring the best of scenarios at this point. Sasha and Marcy are never evers. Ghost was never going to take off.

>>85742
I feel like the definition could be extended to GF and Star vs. (very much the same style, lore approach, fandom, time period, and clique of creators) in which case Wendy's definitely been the closest, and Pacifica maybe can get a lucky break of her R3 streak. Hekapoo used to be strong but is probably shidded and over along with the rest of Star.
>>85743
Simply, if a show and characters like Xiaolin Showdown or MLAATR is a something that has all the RIGHT board factors going for it, OH is a show that has all the wrong one's. Basically impossible to even discuss it normally on /co/.

>>85571
Frumplequest and Kogoro Mouri carried that bitch HARD in the humor department this year.

>>85634
No, that's Nicktoons.

Favorite campaign of last year?

>>86315
Scout

What was the worst campaign of last year?

>>86475
Scout

>>86475
Kiryu

>>86315
Kiryu

>>86475
Battler

>>86475
Oswald for /co/

>>86475
If we're including falsflag crap like Oswald then Simon/Ice King.

>>86475
Skeletor

>>86499
Was that even a campaign for him? He had a couple genuine supporters, but that guy was persistent and kept eating up a lot of discussion.

>>86475
Your main's

>>86506
But my mains are your mains

>>86475
incredibly gassy

>>86499
>>86504
Never mind, I misread. I’d agree then.