/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

>>69004
>and at times having 8 different simultaneous layers of false flagging at play that Ms. /co/ has actually the smartest voters.
Ms. /co/'s falseflagging only works because of NSA's stupidity. Anyway, considering Queen gave King the whitelist and King gave them the Loser's Bracket as well as both not knowing what a video game is with what they approved on the whitelist, I think they are equally slow.

I voted in all the tournaments. This means I'm simultaneously the smartest and dumbest voter alive.

>>69008
The whitelist Queen approved around a year ago is not the same to the one we have now.

>>69010
They still voted back in everyone this year.

>>69035
The hosts never showed us the stats, right?

>>69037
you’re probably thinking of the John Silver anon who’s a psychologist, which honestly makes perfect sense

The thing with both the whitelist and loser's bracket is that voting stupidly is only part of it. Incompetent hosts and people wanting to adding new rules to a popularity contest on a Mongolian basket-weaving forum also have to do with it.

>>69039
This. I was gonna question what actually brought loser's bracket up in the first place. I wasn't around for KoV 2022 so i don't know if a lot of people were asking for it. I do know that it came up occasionally among other rulefagging and added stipulations over the years in /co/ but it was never close to the most debated. Shit like 256 bracket and E8 debate got more attention. But suddenly, out of nowhere, NSA said loser's bracket was gonna be a question and tried to sneakily force in through during voting.
Which by the way reminds me as >>69036 points out the actual numbers for the last round of rule voting was never released and it's very likely NSA just added together options again for the loser's bracket, to say nothing of the whitelist. But it looks like we may be stuck with this stuff now.

i fucking hate NSA

>>69040
It wasn't that major in Ko/v/ last year from what I can remember. There was a much bigger push for a 256 bracket, but it got ignored by the hosts in favor of allowing non-vidya characters and losers bracket instead.

i hatefuck NSA

>>69040
>>69042
I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but that's so shady.

>>69045
It sounds like NSA went with it because he personally liked that suggestion rather than because it was something a lot of people wanted

>>69045
>>69046
>It sounds like NSA went with it because he personally liked that suggestion rather than because it was something a lot of people wanted
Which would be the same case with last ms. /co/. In fact the one or few anons bringing it up at all is possibly him.

>>69043
We know, King Kong. You don't need to brag about it.

>>69051
NSA last ms. /co/ openly rejected the idea that tourneys are popularity contest (said it was for OC and finding new stuff or some shit). All these rule measures pretty clearly favorite keeping up thread engagement above all else. Between that and raw voting data being hidden every round the jokes about tourneys being like booked wrestling promotions may be truer than most think.

>>69052
As a campaigner, I hate this. We need to get rid of NSA.

>>69052
if NSA wanted to increase engagement he’d step down as host

>>69052
NSA can go fuck himself.

>>69052
>the jokes about tourneys being like booked wrestling promotions may be truer than most think.
Those wrestling streams someone did for Queen and King last year feel more legitimate than the tournaments at this point

>>69087
/tnt/ likes to complain

>>69087
Every new host that we've gotten doesn't seem to want to coup nsa

>>69087
A lot don't know how to host. That's why we keep begging for new hosts instead of taking the job ourselves. There's also the fear of thread deletion because you have to talk with mods before you do these tournaments and most don't know what to say without pissing them off.

>>69087
It's a thankless job.

>>69118
That's because Stats presumably didn't check for rigging, which is reasonable as it's essentially guesswork.

>>69118
taking time to check the votes is fine, people just need to stop losing their shit over every minor happening.

>>69118
It's that or we just ignore rigging

>>69087
There's been a history of certain nefarious autists sneaking in multiple times and trying to hijack, leading to natural distrust of newcomers. Plus NSA apparently has a vetting process and its up to him who runs the tourney as he talks to mods. So that alongside being a thankless and super autistic task, it's not so simple as just going 'okay now I will host the /co/ or /v/.'

>>69122
>>69126
>>69140
Stats had specific programs that did most of the work for him in the sheets and google forms. That's why he could create and post results within minutes.

>>69040
>it's very likely NSA just added together options again for the loser's bracket, to say nothing of the whitelist. But it looks like we may be stuck with this stuff now.
oh my fucking god you're right
that would explain so much

I’ll maintain that /v/ is dumber than /co/, not that /co/ is smart by any means. It’s just that /v/ is so retarded trying to have an on topic discussion there is almost impossible.

>>69195
No one ever actually figured that out. If he had programs why wouldn't he release them at any point?

>>69045
>one more day
>drawn out by two
Just adds that the whole losers' finals was a mistake.

>>69255
He did use programs and just didn't foresee other people hosting I guess
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/python/username/stats%20anon/type/posts/order/asc/

>>69255
He probably would've if his life wasn't unfortunately cut short before he had the chance to release them
God have mercy on Statsanon's soul

>>69089
Fitting anons from /co/ and /v/.

>>69004
This next King /v/ will decide where everyone should rank.

>>69263
Was there ever actual any concrete evidence he died? He could’ve just flat out left for all I know

I want to kill NSA.

>>70194
Based

So, do we still believe King /v/ has the dumbest voters?

>>76716
Yes. Whitelist characters still made the main bracket with no campaigning and some series got some pretty terrible reps.

>>76716
No, it's just /v/ in general.

>>76716
bejitabro btw

>>76716
I'm still firm in my statement about King having the most predictable winners. At least this year the competition didn't feel as uneven as in 2022, but I knew Grimm was going to be the champion by the middle of quarterfinals.

>>69004
Mr. /co/ >>> Ms. /co/ >>>>>>>> Queen /v/ > King /v/

Note, this is talking about the overall intelligence, not how good the tournament quality is. Ms. /co/ despite being seething and full of spite at least know what type of priorities have on what to vote for. Queen I've thought were on somewhat even level with Ms. /co/ but I realized this year the muzzle drawing that, no, we are actually working with actual imbeciles.

Mr. /co/ never really goes into any pointless drama like how Eggmanfags and Wariofags lost their shit because someone just implied they could lose.

>>76716
Absolutely

>>76716
King /v/ has the biggest silent majority problem during the early rounds while having the winners completely circumvent that

>>76729
You give Mr. /co/ voters too much credit, don't forget when they voted Shrek over Bugs because they actually fell for the Bugs tranny falseflagger

>>76738
I voted for Shrek because I love the movies slightly more than Looney Tunes and Bugs is far from my favorite Looney Tune.

>>76738
I don't think Bugs lost to Shrek because of that.

>>76728
I think I might be complaining too much when I say this, but can we please get a King that isn't another humanoid rpg, japanese action-adventure, or combination of the two character from the 2000s onwards that's a schizo or literally me next year? Garland technically predates that, but no one was voting for that version. Even Mr's non-human villain streak at least has decade and genre variety.

>>76740
It was by 8 votes, I can guarantee you at least 8 retards saw those posts and refused to vote for Bugs due to thinking his supporters are trannies

>>76729
Also /v/ never seems to think about the actual implications of the rule stuff they vote for. /v/ in general seems to have much less grasp and debate on meta than /co/,for better or worse.

>>76743
Bugs also lost to another Shrek character this year. I think he really isn't that strong of a competitor.

>>76744
/v/ is filled with off-topic funposters, they don't think about anything.

>>76741
I want to see another proper villain become champion of King of /v/, the only one at the moment is Armstrong. I think the more narrative angle of the tournament makes it way too easy to root againts antagonistic characters in general. I see the term 'heel' thrown around during Ko/v/ a lot, but such thing isn't common during Mr. /co/ at all.

>>76738
Last year? I remember people moreso getting a laugh out of that than anything, not to mention Monarch was the one getting more direct flack that round. Shrek is one of the strongest candidates yet to make Elite Eight, and just this year only lost to SpongeBob by 15 votes despite his more vocal campaign. If this was a more niche pick or a fluke I'd get the concern, but not with Shrek. You just know that Grim would have killed either anyways.

>>76745
>I think he really isn't that strong of a competitor.
Shrek is the only non-elite thus far to take down Bugs, and as mentioned it was close. I think Bugs was done in being mostly silent against a relatively vocal campaign, not much else to be said. It was still a close match.

>>76749
The Pikmin justified being in this year with its funny OC and campaign. It was a joke pick, yes, but people were actually in on it. I know Pikmin 4 will be more distant, but I do hope at least one of the captains does qualify next year.

>>76751
I hope I can do a strong enough OC push in Qualifiers next year to get Olimar and Louie in. Louie is the character I wanted to campaign the most for in King, but I love Olimar too.

>>76749
Yeah, that was unfortunate.
Red Pikmin was still my #1 Pikmin pick, though.

it seems like it's very easy to gaslight /v/irgins in queen and king. it's a shame since i don't care about the others.

>>76741
The Batter and Jack aren't even schizos; the former is mostly fanon speculation, and the latter was only ever included in some of the 2021 alliance pictures based on guesswork from his appearance in the trailers. Grimm is the first real instance of a character with a deranged personality winning and having that reflected in his campaign, and even then he is a character with little dialogue entirely driven by the choice given from the player.

>>76741
I don't want the schizo aspect holding characters back. I want Jacket and Isaac to be winners and I don't want them being held back by vague connections to past winners

>>76757
They still got pushed heavily by the alliance. Batter is the mascot of it.

>>76760
Batter, yes. Garland? Not at all.

>>76758
I think >>76741 is kind of a retarded post anyways, you shouldn't be basing what winner you want off some arbitrary list of generalized traits. For example I like Dante because he's a cool character not because I autistically sort him into my preferred traits of "human, japanese action game, masculine, non-schizo".
Just pick what you like faggot don't go "oh we can't have ANOTHER humanoid, 95% of the winners are already humanoids they're all literally the same, and we already have two winners whose names start with R so i refuse to vote for any more R characters"

>>76760
Garland won by himself. But Batter definitely did get carried by the alliance. Funny, since in-character Batter would just kill them all immediately.

>>76766
Not really no, he never killed Zacharie. He would only kill them if they get in the way.

>>76764
The traits on their own aren't the issue, and the characters do have more to them beyond a surface level. The issue is that we keep falling into almost the exact same two combinations of traits, with Garland in the middle. Of course there's character misinterpretations, like some say Batter, but those misinterpretations still have a strong impact on campaigning and effect votes. I'm not just going to vote against characters that fall into what I described, but I would like to see something more different next year.

Let's be honest, how many characters in King of /v/ do you think are both distinct enough from previous winners and championship contenders?

>>76788
I really wanted Rayman to win this year. He felt really distinct while also being a character with a fun legacy and series of games. I'm glad he made it to E8 on his first year, but I hope he keeps succeeding in 2025

>>76769
Zacharie isn't dead, since he not only doesn't attack him, but isn't attacking anyone. 85% of "schizo alliance" Batter would attack. And he would 100% attack Grimm

>>76790
If I were to guess, his performance will be much worse next time.

>>76792
>Zacharie isn't dead, since he not only doesn't attack him, but isn't attacking anyone
That's the thing in alliance. They're helping him reach his goal, so there's no point in attacking them.
Also this is pointless anyway because most of the characters in the tourney wouldn't be friends with each other.

>>76754
What's extra stupid about that is that John was up against the top fucking seed in round 4, so if he could've beaten Edgeworth, he could've beaten Raiden.

>>76729
didn't Queen vote in the Elite 8 and winner series limit? that's quite literally the dumbest rule added

>>76807
That rule was solely added to fuck with Touhoufags from /jp/, which kinda worked on the short term because they couldn't just nominate the next big girl there and make her winner.
But now phase has faded and the rule now exclusively works as a way to fuck up with series who do well in general.

>>76810
>1,418 voters
god this shit was so blatantly rigged in retrospect.

>>76817
Queen and King have been consistently hitting those numbers for years. Only this year King suffered a massive drop in votes.

>>76820
Queen didn’t have this problem even with the voting poll in the anchor.
Its not like people could directly vote from the catalog in the past, anyway.

>>76820
It's not an anti-rigging measure it's an anti-silent majority measure
The idea is to get people to actually visit the thread to vote and maybe look at the OC while they're at it, instead of just using the link from the catalog and never interacting with the thread at all. Whether or not you like it, evidently it works since even though the voter count goes down the amount of posters stays the same.

Guys people could never vote from the catalog even before the hosts started putting the link in the anchor.

>>76828
You can on the page view. These threads are almost always bumped to the first page.

>>76839
It’s still not the reason behind the lower vote count in King.

Next time we should just have the voting link in the OP and nothing else. Even the OP image should just be the voting link every time so literally no one can miss it. That's how you get votes.

>>76827
This is actually a bad thing because it also filters new people into getting into these things.
Yes, it is a bad fucking thing to keep the same retarded faggots into these tournaments because we legitimately start to turn into a circlejerk. We're already becoming into one, if there isn't fresh set of people who gain interest in these tournaments it is through the polls.

I have always said this but Silent Majority is a necessary evil.

>>76840
No, we would have still lost a decent amount of votes from moving the link to the anchor. I've seen a few people come into the threads over the past year saying they don't know where to vote, so there were likely a lot of silentfags that didn't even bother. That still doesn't explain why Nyarly's votes were so low since he had a vocal meme presence and people who don't even like Persona like me were still voting for him. If anything, moving the link should have been in his favor since more of the vote was being controlled by active posters.

People don't realize that the security questions probably actually filter people sometimes. Not everyone sticks around to see Bejita post the answer later.

>>76858
>anon, the silent majority doesn't participate in the threads. they just vote and fuck off until the next round.
That was my point. The votes would drop because they wouldn't bother asking for the poll if they couldn't find it. Nothing else you said even relates to my post.

>>76869
shit, i replied to the wrong post.
>>76858 was meant for >>76851

Voting link should be in the OP.

Voting Link should not be in the OP or the OC Anchor.

No one should be voting Link. He never does anything.

No one should ever vote for Link

I never agreed with linking the poll in the anchor cause it's not supposed to be in the hosts place to encourage "anti-silent" measures anyways. Tourney's aren't ultimately supposed to be OC and campaigner competitions/generals. But NSA really likes thread activity-oriented rules and it's another thing he implemented cause one anon said it in the thread. NSA apparently being a drawfag campaigner makes a lot of sense now.

>>77238
I don’t even care if NSA turns out to be a drawfag, that's just one more thing added to the pile of reasons to not be trustworthy of his word. He has proven to be an utterly unreliable host and I want him to step down.

>>77247
It wouldn't be "his" word anymore.

>>76827
I couldn't fucking believe something like this would work, since the anchor is usually the first post anyway + it always gets the most (you)s so I thought putting it there not only wouldn't change a thing, but also possibly make it even more noticeable as the link already wasn't visible from the catalog and people had to enter threads to vote... but I was wrong. There was actually someone so retarded that he couldn't find it and was asking for help in the thread. Even though I am one I have to agree that king /v/ voters really are the dumbest.

>>77257
People were asking in /co/ too.

>>77250
What, because NSA is actually a woman?

>>77399
needs correcting

>>76858
>i'd even argue that the silent majority is MORE of a circlejerk than the regular posters. you've got a good chance to gain support in the threads if you make OC and actively participate. if you're not already one of the silent majority's darlings, they're never going to give a shit about you.
That's how majority vs. minority always works. The majority's tastes coincide because of outside factors, not because of them communicating on something and forming a localized culture. The latter is what's called a circlejerk.

>>79217
way to completely miss the point
campaignfag favorites rise and fall, but the silent majority continually votes for the same characters every single year. they don't engage with the threads, they're not open to the possibility of voting for someone new. that's what makes it circlejerk-y.