/tnt/ - Tournaments & Events

>>34381
It would just boil down to classic movie monsters.

>>34381
Don Quijote would win.

I have absolutely no idea who any of these are but I will nominate The Fizzy Wizz Kid for shits and giggles

>>34381
Dumbledore would win, calmly

>>34431

Not unless Gandalf is here

My Elite Eight predication:

>Gandalf
>Captain Ahab
>Frankenstein's Monster
>Katniss Everdeen
>Cat in the Hat
>Jack Torrance
>Anne Shirley
>Paul Atreides

>>34381
>>63163
/lit/ is mostly literary patricians and psueds, and it's a meme to hate genre fiction. So the E8 would probably be like:
>Captain Ahab
>Don Quixote
>Holden Caulfield
>Lolita
>Dante
>obligatory Shakespeare rep (probably Hamlet)
>obligatory religious rep (probably Jesus/Satan)
>obligatory Greek/Homeric rep (probably Odysseus)

>>77459
I’d reckon he’d get around 10-20th seed, that’s mostly due to how absolutely stacked the first 10 seeds are with iconic characters from world renowned literature. Blood Meridian is well known and recently has gained some popularity and Judge Holden is unironically one of the most vile and well written villains to ever grace literature. He actually has a good shot at making around the elite eight.

>>77459
Gets an insane campaign and makes Elite Eight, but voted 7th or 8th due to the sheer competition.

>>77559
Is anyone even good enough to properly mimic Corncob's writing for him?
This tourney would be a whole different level of writefag campaigning.

>>77566
>43rd best written character
eh? Sounds like you have a very specific list in mind.
But yeah ol' Corncob is arguably the greatest American writer of the last 70~ years. the whole tourney would have this problem though. There's been some pretty talented /lit/fags but no one's on the level of the greats. It'd be fun to try though.
For me it'd be Leopold Bloom and HCE, cause Joyce's schizo hyper-linguistic dickery is fun and memable as fuck, and has always been over with /lit/. Alex from a Clockwork Orange too (largely influenced by Joyce).

>>77575
I am basing off the official list given by the "Books Magazine" which while only made in 2002, still complies a massive amount of characters and the list is probably more so the same.
>https://legacy.npr.org/programs/totn/features/2002/mar/020319.characters.html
And, funnily enough, Leopold Bloom is listed as the 4th best fictional character in fiction.

>>86413
They make one of these every year end I believe. I think one of them got like hundreds of thousands of views on imgur and reddit and brought in a bunch of outsiders.

>>34411
I feel like Warhammer 40k would be the touhou of a /lit/ tournament.

>>95056
Seems it hardly has a reception at all.

Paul Maud'Dib, the Kwisatz Haderach and Lisan Al-giab will win
>B-but, no he won-
SILENCE!

>>95223
>TLDR: I have simps and paypigs, therefore good

>>95253
The Emperor is an egotistical psychopath, of fucking course he would consider it good

Bump

OP here.
Just wanted express my thoughts on this proposed tournament that has gotten a popularity boast.
I'm grateful for your support and it seems that many wanted to host this tournament this year (myself included).
As of right now, there's no proper plan to host it unless there's a space for it. If that's possible, I want to see it get hosted sometime after /an/lympics since /lit/ itself is not the most active board in 4chan.

>>107442
This begs the question on how well is Witcher books received in /lit/? AM and John Silver for example are very well loved even in /lit/ but I have no clue how Geralt is liked on /lit/.

>>107523
/lit/ absolutely adores and praises the short stories and dialogue of the witcher books. The atmosphere and realism it portrays is the main selling point, even although when the story becomes an overarching one it starts to fall apart and is why /lit/ considers witcher mediocre throughout but a masterpiece at short-stories.

But witcher has something similar to /v/ with soulsbornefags and that's with Elric of Belnibone fans seething a "plagiarized" work being better than the original work.

>>107538
Didn't it not even start, because of the guy hosting it just seemingly leaving?

Again though isn't /lit/ like 90% literary snobs, and genre fiction relegated to a general? I don't think modern scifi and fantasy characters would actually make it far.

>>107528
ehh BM and corncob has a lot of detractors and /lit/ can be as contrarian as any other board. Judge has a good shot at E8 but winning it all? Would probably be a more universal and classic character.

>>107549
people don't go to /lit/ just to shit things up without any interest. From what I know, they've read at least something in their lives and thus are interested in roaming /lit/. Most seem like illiterates who are there just to shit things up (especially for bible and blood meridian) but they're aware of other works of literacy and have read something at least but there being millions of books worth 300-500 pages makes it hard to finish a lot of books.

To not look like a literary snob in /lit/, you have to be a reading autist.

>>107551
No I would still say the majority userbase are mainly literary and would relegate genre fiction. Look at their yearly top 100 charts.

>>107541
Ah damn, are the rest of the Witcher books not that good? I read The Last Wish because I love the games and thought it was great.

>>107685
Only Season of Storms is considered dogshit even though I haven’t personally read it, but other books are simply considered inferior to the short story arcs that the earlier books possessed. This mostly has got to do with certain characters being cucked and ciri being a borderline whore.

Dracula vs Judge when?

>>107720
Glanton's not nearly as popular a character. Also he was basically a doomed beastial human and the emblem of the Judge's philosophy. I don't think he had any real leverage or authority over the Judge. The Judge was the meta overlord and can't die.
Also Ahab was way different. He's a noble and (too) contemplative captain that becomes a maniac hunting the white whale for the metaphysical struggle it represents. The irreducible spirit against the malicious other, nature, the prison veil. A Gnostic hero. Good chance to win the tourney actually.

>>107779
>A gnostic hero
The Judge is widely by scholars to be a gnostic god of death, an albino giant of a man who seeks destruction and chaos and considers it a fundamental aspect of humanity. The Judge really is the predestined opponent of Ahab.

>>108140
He's a true wildcard. He could be knocked out early, or he could be a surprise elite contender. I don't see him winning outright bar a miracle, although I guess that might be in character.

If you want a more thorough take, this is the kind of character that goes from an early jobber to a frontrunner to win in later years. Doubt we'd get to that point, but IF we did I would say that's my biggest prediction.

>>108140
Classic and beloved. One of the greatest characters ever. Good chance of E8.

>>108149
Quixote being a wildcard fits him perfectly.

Reading Wuthering Heights right now and I hate myself and Internet for making me compare Edgar, Catherine and Heathcliff to cuckjack shit not so long ago.

>>107528
So what you're saying is he's a Mary Sue.

>>108815
For a character to be a mary sue, it needs to be the main protagonist. In this case, it is the main antagonist. Having read through Blood Meridian, the Judge isn't a mary sue, he's a force of nature.

>>108818
Eh. Overpowered unbeatable antagonists may not be Mary Sues by strict definition, but they may share a lot of the same traits.

>>108798
I haven't finished the book yet, but so far Cathy is far more interesting character than Heathcliff

>>108825
NTA but "mary sue" is dependent on narrative and purpose. Judge isn't really a man at all, more a force of nature or a cosmic principle. Him being perfect and knowledgeable in worldly things emphasizes his satanic/archon nature. "Overpowered" wouldn't even be an applicable term for him, he simply -is-. Johan from Monster is a similar antagonist that gets "mary sue" leveled at him in what I think is a fundamental misunderstanding of narrative and themes. Whether or not they're even 'antagonists' becomes questionable as it becomes more an expedition or analysis of what reality and truth they represent.

>>108825
It is entirely up to how the narrative is set and how the author makes way for the character dynamics.

Main protagonist being a mary sue essentially means there aren't any flaws or odds, thus there is barely any conflict worth the stakes to care about the protagonist. When the antagonist is a "mary sue" as in overpowered and a master in all fields, the antagonist possess a genuine threat to our protagonists and they must overcome him in a way that doesn't involve going toe-to-toe with him, as that guarantees their loss.
It all comes down to conflict and stakes.
A overpowered and perfect protagonist has no conflict nor stakes which equals boring as fuck.
A overpowered and perfect antagonist however, makes for a hard conflict and high stakes in the story which is what creates an interesting narrative.

>>108828
>Phoenix has to defend a murderer again
I'd write for Meursault though. His emotional detachment from everything could be great, especially if his opponent is something crazy like AM or Satan from Paradise Lost.

>>108836
I wonder who the judge is.

>>108866
Judge Holden

>>107538
>>107543
It never did start because the host ultimately abandoned the tourney. Ultimately they decided that the scopedog would be declared winner

The real question is, how is Eggman going to make his way in?

Now that we know the person trying to host the cp /tnt/ tournament is a lolifag trying to host /lit/, watch lolita and alice very carefully, those are likely the characters they'd try to rig for with bias

>>108975
Oh fuck
HE'S INTO US!

>>108975
malding

>>108975
>t. mindbroken Anton who fears the Judge

>>108975
KWABton LOST

How would a /lit/ tournament handle fictionalized versions of real-life people? I'm asking because I was thinking of supporting Dante for this but I'm not sure of his eligibility.

>>109017
As long as it isn't an accurate historical account, it probably can be nominated as a /lit/ character even if it is a self-insert. In Dantes Inferno there also appear the Greek Philosophers are cameo but those are just fictionalized versions of their historical counter-parts as Dante never actually met them.

Comic characters finally have a tournament they'll win

>>109017
Dante should 100% be allowed. So long as their depiction stays on the side of fictional and not (auto)biographical, and they're famous for this fictional self as a character. I'd even say Virgil qualifies.
A weird one I was thinking of working with is Walt Whitman. Technically the Walt Whitman that Walt Whitman writes in his poems is autobiographical, or autobiographical in spirit, but also meant to be character versions of one and the same entity himself, or more that there are three Walt Whitman's of a different psychological/metaphysical level that he switches between sometimes in the same poem. Many have considered Walt Whitman in general a (perhaps semi-fictional) character and one of the greatest characters in American lit in fact.

I feel like the /lit/ tournaments could have high postcensal for some really well crafted OC. Since I like to believe /lit/ is filled with pretty good writers.

>>109035
I'd argue that Virgil should be allowed due to how major of a role he plays in the Divine Comedy, his depiction being fictional, and said depiction being just as well-known as the poet. He could have a fun campaign too of him guiding different contestants through the circles of Hell.

>>109056
I imagine Hamlet, Macbeth, and King Lear would all qualify, and at least one would make it to Elite Eight, probably Hamlet.

>>109056
>>109061
If there's going to be some kind of three character per author limit then that's rather brutal. Hamlet's a lock but I think Falstaff could actually get in over Macbeth or Lear. Othello and Iago are also on the table.

I have this dumb idea for this I might try of Jay Gatsby throwing parties for all of the losers akin to the Losers Salvation Bar in Ko/v/.

>>109685
Here are my predictions for the top 10 seeds.
>Jesus
>Captain Ahab
>Fyodor Karamazov
>Rodion Raskolnikov
>Achilles
>Don Quixote
>William Stoner
>Lolita
>Judge Holden
>Leopold Bloom

>>109685
Not really, half the contents of these polls are either purely performative or people funposting.

>>109690
So... Like the tournaments.

>>109691
Except you are a lot less likely to find people lying about their preferences in favorite characters vs literature. On a similar point, if we ever organize a /lit/ tournament on the main site, I'm certain 85% of participants will still be /tnt/ anons as opposed to lurking /lit/izens, so even these top 100 aren't a good reference for predicting seeding and rankings.

>>109687
I think Odysseus would seed higher than Achilles and would have a good shot at Elite Eight too, but yeah the top seed would go to either a biblical figure or Ahab.

>>109690
I think the literary preference is pretty genuine for the most part. Those books definitely preoccupy the board the most (on the fiction side).

>>109685
Seeing Bible being number 1 it's somewhat surprising to see Qur'an in top 100 still

>>109700
I am honestly surprised that IHNMAIMS doesn't make an appearance here. Considering that AM seems to be regarded as a great antagonist and the book to be very influential.

>>109702
Well it is just a scifi short story.

>>109700
>War and Peace got from 21 to 14
Genuinely why? This is one of the most boring books with how over detailed it is. And only Bezukhov is remarkable in it for me, everything else consists of pointless family drama. Like holy fuck, there are many much more interesting books in this list and out of this list.

>>109702
IHNMaIMS often appears in some recommendation lists, but don't expect /lit/ to vote it into one of these top 100 because the only short fiction storytellers to frequently make the list at all are Borges and Kafka.

>Jesus
>Captain Ahab
>Don Quixote
>A LotR rep
>Judge Holden
>Hannibal Lecter
>Jay Gatsby
>Atticus Finch
>Patrick Bateman
>AM
>Victor Frankenstein
>Adolf Hitler (If autobios count)
One of these will be the winners, calling it now.

>>109704
Tolstoy is the peak of realist fiction, whether or not that's interesting aside.

>>109706
>Hannibal Lecter
???
Replace him with an ancient Greek. And unless /tnt/ really is 85% of the vote I don't think AM stands a chance.

>>109706
I couldn't see Bateman winning even if /lit/ does like the book. A /tv/ tournament sure, but not so much /lit/. I'd also throw in Dante and Leopold Bloom as potential heavy hitters.

>>109706
AM has way less leverage in /lit/ than it has in /v/. I don't believe he'd even be a mid-carder in /lit/.

What are you reading right now? When I finish Wuthering Heights I want to try At the mountains of madness or finally try Kafka's work. Or something in the similar matter, since I want to read something weird or occult.

>>109940
I'm currently rereading The Divine Comedy, although I should go back to Orlando Furioso. I put that one on hold because it's really long, although I was still liking it.
>At the mountains of madness
Nice, that's one of Lovecraft's best.

>>109941
I found Tha Call of Cthulhu completely uninspiring and Shadows over Innsmouth fine, even if hotel scene is a cacophony of action. Lovecraft, for me, is good at describing architecture yet completely falls off at describing horror itself.

>>109942
I really enjoy the atmosphere of a lot of his works, but I'd agree that he's not the best at describing horror, although I suppose you can argue that's the point due to said horrors trying to be so far beyond human understanding.

I can only image just the amount of 40k characters being nominating and failing to get in

I hope /tnt/ doesn't exert much influence on this tourney tbh.

>>77459
Never would I thought the Judge ending up as a notorious character within /tnt/ and the tournaments.

>>109982
What about Eisenhorn?

>>110001
LOL
LMAO

>>109982
If there is one 40k character I want to see get in is Trazyn. Love that fucker and The Infinite and Divine

If AM and Holden were to have their movie adaptations, who should play them? Also is there any chance it wouldn't suck? I mean in the era we live nowadays something like IHNMAIMS and Meridian will definitely get toned down given their amount of surrealism and violence, which sucks because that's what makes both books interesting. They won't run on the same luck as No Country for Old Men. However that movie came in 2007 so I could be wrong.

>>110165
BM is notoriously considered an 'unadaptable' novel. iirc numerous directors including the Coen brothers over the years considered it but it didn't work out. No Country is comparatively easy to adapt as it's basically a digestible thriller on top of the philosophy.
I've always proposed BM would work best as a surrealist experimental epic animation by an indie/foreign studio and I'd fund it if I was a billionaire.

I don't think religious figures should be eligible.

>>111143
I agree since the /his/ tournament allows religious figures, but I think depictions of them in other books should be allowed provided there's a clear difference between the two, such as Satan from Paradise Lost.

>>109940
I finished Wuthering Heights, finish was anticlimatic. It feels like author didn't know how to properly finish the story and kill off Heathcliff. Dunno if Heathcliff can do good in the tournament, since he is more of a force of misfortune than an actual character. Going to read At the Mountains of Madness now, hope it is better thatn Shadows over Innsmouth

>>111927
I was going to reread Wuthering Heights soon because it's been a few years since I first read it, but yeah I remember Heathcliff's death not having as much impact as I hoped. I finished rereading The Divine Comedy today, and I was gonna started on Candide tomorrow. I was originally gonna go back to Orlando Furioso but I want a small break from epic poetry.
>Going to read At the Mountains of Madness now, hope it is better thatn Shadows over Innsmouth
Weren't a fan of Innsmouth? Personally I loved it for the atmosphere and the sense of decent as things get progressively crazier.

>>109940
A Passage to India. I like Forster but I don't feel any of his characters would be worth nominating for me.

>>34381
I wonder if any ASOIAF characters would qualify, the show infamously shat the bed and killed all of it’s cultural presence with it’s final seasons along with Winds of Winter never coming out, but the books still have a dedicated following and House of the Dragon seems to be taking good steps towards washing out the bad taste GoT’s ending left in everyone’s mouths.

>>109982
Literally who thinks Dragon Ball are very deep? I've never heard this before in my entire life. Literally the only reason anyone likes DB is because "monkey fight good".

>>113460
When people say Dragon Ball isn't deep, there for some reason always jumps one out that proclaims that it is indeed deep.

>>113514
The dbshitters are probably trolling you.

>>113514
The dbscholars are probably enlightening you.

SHIT THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE STARTED OUT AS A BOOK SERIES

>>118829
ThomasGODS…