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>jobber threads went from honest performance discussion to humiliation rituals to seething over characters and companies people don't like
This board is decaying faster and faster.

This thread is several years too late. Molly McGree was the last DTVA show that even qualified and that was in 2022. Probably made by a tourist who just wanted another jobber thread even though it's more like a dead horse at this point.

Ngl I am surprised that Anne's fallen off, I thought she would've made E8 by now. I guess the clAnne scars run pretty deep.

Anyway awhile back I was thinking about Amity and Luz and was wondering what they'd need to win at least one round. Luz actually came close this year, Ribbit beat her by less than 10 votes (and Amity lost to Enid in 2024 by 6). Amity seeded the highest she's ever been at 50 this year, so I wonder if she could continue to move up in increments (I think Smoke helped a lot with this). Anyway I feel as if one of them would only have a shot if they somehow ended up facing off against each other and was curious as to which one /co/ would settle for. It'd be Amity right?

>>253878
That's consistent with the main site then!

>>253892
I always thought Anne was one of the biggest tourney misses. Her peak years were fucky tourneys. She was also one of the oddest losses this year. I'd have expected her to beat Rogue but she lost by a wide margin. Doesn't seem like much hope for her now.
>It'd be Amity right?
Yes. She's got a way bigger and older tourney presence too. I also think they could beat a drone or joke pick.

Amphibia and The Owl House feel like they should have been stronger than they were. They weren’t even indie they were popular.

Like I said it feels like anything that came out 2020 onward just cannot do well. Amphibia and Owl House jobbed, Drones jobbed, Hellavwrse jobbed, and newer Nick and CN stuff cant even qualify. TADC is the best preforming 2020s property

>>253908
TOH was already at a disadvantage before it aired because /co/ didn't like Dana and there was a persistent rumor that the show had to restart production from scratch because Dana had been bullied by Sabrina Cotugno (another /co/ boogeyman back in the late 10s/early 20s) into making Eda/Luz canon so expectations were low. Then Enchanting Grom Fright airing a month before Ms. /co/ 2020 didn't help.

I think that Amphibia, or more precisely Anne, would've gone on to do better if it hadn't been like I said for the finale. Clone Anne, the girls needing to leave Amphibia permanently and then drifting apart was just too much.

>>253908
OH got screwed hard with the wonky corporate meddled first season and then the gay content becoming a big focus of the show which is a huge /co/ debuff. /co/ fucking hated gay lesbian content. Even if the show got better from that point (which it did imo) it was too much damage.
Amphibia is legit kinda strange and I don't think the finale was that damaging. Anne at least should've gotten an R4 or E8 once, especially 2021-23. Losing R1 to Peppermint Patty in 2022 is one of the weirdest Ms. /co/ jobs ever.

>>253919
>OH fags are still insisting they got gud

>>253908
The Owl House had a weak first season and then became way too openly and broadly lesbian for /co/'s tastes. Amphibia may have genuinely been shenanigans from NSA combined with the tribewars falseflag/DTVA meme I dunno they deserved better. (there's like one bi character where it isn't front and center and a character who was retconned to be non-binary when the book came out despite being called 'she' in the actual show, but that's not enough to piss /co/ off).

The complete lack of any new CN or Nick stuff could be interesting to look into, as well as maybe why Hellaverse struggles so much on mains, but can do great on side tournaments (not even just Loona, Vaggie straight up won one of the side tournaments at Ms.)

>>253880
I think Disney TV's new shows failing even harder after Molly McGee is noteworthy.

>>253925
That's not really unique to DTVA though.

Granted, Dragon Striker didn't get nominated either but it was funny to see a couple of people hype up Doomies doing better because of "lore" only to have even less impact. I at least remember seeing Dragon Striker threads on /co/ over the summer.

>>253922
Season 2 was a noticeable improvement over season 2 and season 3 while rushed managed to stick the landing pretty well if you actually liked the show and paid attention to its themes.

>>253933
>Season 2 was a noticeable improvement over season 2
Over season 1. Meh.

>>253933
>>253934
I'm going with meh too.

>>253935
Cool to know the tribefag made his way here too.

>>253936
>everyone who dislikes OH MUST be tribefag
I didn’t mention Amphibia being better in anyway. I think just the opposite actually.

It says something when Glitchfags aren't as defensive and can argue without immediately resorting to one guy accusations.

>>253938
Funny how Dana has connections to both.

>>253938
They have though, just not lately, probably cause the drone and circus heyday is passing.

>>253938
>>253939
I know that's not actually the tribefag but his contributions to this thread are about as valuable as tribefag's so I might as well treat them the same.

>>253941
No, stop being retarded. Treating everyone as one schizo because they don't agree with you has made this place near unusuable.

>>253940
Drones never had a heyday. Also even before I never saw them have a go to schizo to dismiss their problems on. No industrycuck or tribefag per se.

Looking back Anne really does have one of the most rocky and unfortunate tourney histories of any character. Losing first round to Rogue this year is kind of a gut punch for any optimism forward too.

>>253943
>Drones never had a heyday
23 and 24 they were everywhere both on board and in tourney context. I specifically remember tons of one-guyfagging and a specific schizo they called dinofag they would call people. 100% they did this a lot.

>>253896
>>253945
I don't get why losing to Rogue is seen as this dishonorable thing for Anne and it's a sign of doom.
Rogue is an older favorite and X-Men and capes are slowly doing better. It not only makes sense but there are far worse characters Anne could lose to.

>>253946
Glitch and DTVA are just two of the same things with a different label.

>>253946
>in tourney context.
They jobbed horribly those years and failed to even qualify 2025 even with their campaigning, as noted by the other thread. That's depressing if anyone considers that close to a heyday.

>>253950
Heyday doesn't have to mean good tourney performances, just when you're most active and relevant.

>>253947
Rogue is a low seed that only appeared once before and lost R1. Meanwhile Anne actually had expectations on her and went R3 the prior the year. It's not a knock on the character personally but tourney-wise it reflects poorly on her.

>>253952
Active I can see but relevant…

>>253947
>>253954
Rogue/Anne was the biggest seed blowout of that Ms. /co/ too lol (16<113).

>>253954
She lost R1 to Lois Lane when MAWS was still hot and she had the Luz Lane picture. It's not like she lost to some shitter.
I don't to say losing to Rogue would reflect poorly on their record kind of feels like a knock.

>>253958
She's still some tourney near nonentity up to that point. It definitely does reflect poorly, especially when you figure the seed difference and how the result wasn't even particularly close.

>you now remember when /tnt/ was calling Rogue and Black Cat D list capeslop

>>253960
Again, while her tourney record is still little less than nothing, when looking at the board at large, she's a classic superhero waifu in an era where Marvel is doing better tourney wise, especially when DTVA doesn't have the best rep. You act as if she lost to a drone or SU character or an actual lesser known like Dazzler or Hellcat.
Anne feels a bit over hyped at times if something like this "reflects poorly".

>>253964
Again I'm talking tourney context, "but tourney-wise it reflects poorly on her." Sounds like you're taking it like a character attack. Perhaps in a general sense Rogue is more liked but when her only winning accomplishment is beating Anne you can't go off of much broadly. Maybe she will improve with comics doing better but as it stands you simply can't say she's a strong pick.

>>253968
Not once did I call her a strong pick just that there isn't much shame in losing to a character like her. Even when looking at like "tourney wise it reflects poorly on her", she lost to a classic waifu in what is essentially waifu contest. It's not that shocking or a mark of shame.
I get that this is the tournament board but people have serious tunnel vision on character worth outside performance.

>>253968
I mean when you had Anne supporters so shocked at Rogue winning that they started throwing zoomer FOTM accusations at her, I can see how people can take the character attack angle.
>>253962
Also I member this.

>>253969
I don't know, I think you're taking it rough thinking it's seen as "shocking" or "mark of shame" here. It's tourney talk. It was an unexpected and disheartening loss going by all the numbers and hype it makes her seem weaker in this context. That's all that's being said.

I think it’s pretty clear Anne missed her chance and Amphibia is dead in the water. Why they missed that chance is up for debate

>>253972
Because Amphibia isn't a very good show.

>>253971
>hiding behind the tourney talk excuse
NTA but it's clear this is the sort of punching down on the opponent after taking a loss, sort of like what happened with Etna and Tron. He gave his reasoning but you still pass off the other character as some nobody.
>>253972
She always just seemed like the Jucika where she fluctuates naturally.

>>253962
Black Cat is never getting anywhere because most people like Catwoman more as the original. She didn't even qualify this year. Rogue I could actually sort of see as a legacy winner just like April but she would need a really lucky bracket.

That Glitch thread must have rustled some jimmies.

Can we just say this is Disney overall?
There was Kronk and then some of their acquired properties that remain their own brand (like Marvel, Star Wars, Muppets) perform well. But otherwise the mainline Disney brand performs absolutely horribly in tournaments

>>253983
They perform decently overall.

>>253983
>Kim
>Shego
>Dominator
>Doof
>Donald
>Goofy
They do alright. The jobbing status has always been about nuDTVA.

>>253983
Would you even call The Emperor's New Groove a big part of Disney's core brand? It's got a lot of dedicated fans and profited for the company, yet I rarely see it actually pushed along with most of Walt Disney Animation's other properties.

>>253995
Similar to the above, I don't think Kim Possible or Phineas & Ferb are in the same camp as the likes of Beauty in the Beast, Aladdin, Frozen, or even the Duckverse. They're clear B or even C listers in terms of what Disney markets.

What I'm getting at is that a Disney property seems to do better the less it's overtly Disney, bar a couple exceptions.

>>253982
How so? If anything, this thread is rustling Mouseketeer jimmies.

>>253983
>>253995
>>253998
ENG is for sure still considered part of the main brand, if only because Disney still throws fans a bone and include them in the crossovers.
DTVA as a whole? Outside Disney Afternoon in the 90s, it has always been secondary to the shorts and animated canon and do not get the same media coverage outside gacha games. Even when the movies do get TV shows they tend to get ignored in future works.
So I guess you can say Disney as a whole doesn't do that well; whether you want to make a separate thread for that is up to you.

>>253995
I mean, even ignoring how some of these guys straight up missed W8 recently, is it just nu-DTVA? For every KP and PnF, you have dozens of TV shows from that brand that never qualify or do poorly, something OP pointed out.

>>254035
>For every KP and PnF, you have dozens of TV shows from that brand that never qualify or do poorly
That goes for any company.

What happened to newer Nick or CN stuff

>>254100
What newer stuff?

>>254081
Well yes but we're talking about Disney specifically