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Mr. Incredible for not being voted for his movie but for being a silent metapick.

>it's the retard again

HARD MODE: no Battler, Recette, or any character mained by one of the disgraced hosts.

>>130951
Icon of Sin and King Boo

>>130952
Well, anons were already talking about those two in the other thread.

Mr. Krabs

>>130947
Not really, you have to be retarded to hate a character because of a popularity contest.

>>130955
This

>>130947
Hating a character because of a fanbase that character happened to amassed is really dumb bro. I've only ever seen ACfag on /v/ seriously assert that a game's fanbase is "valid" reason to criticize a video game

Morgana and Maomao fit in this category right?

>>130986
>Mao Mao
in more ways than one, Dan too

>>130987
>>130986
I mean didn't the porn get them through 4 rounds?

>>130987
has Dan even qualified since 2020? i legitimately don't remember ever seeing him
i'd check his wiki page but
you know

>>130947
Ice king

>>130990
Dan has qualified every year except for 2019 apparently

>>130990
He did pretty good in 2021(someone did a Devil Went Down to Georgia parody), but fell off a cliff after

Geralt

>>130995
Agreed

>Be born from a video game
>Be liked for the traits shown from their official video game
Why is it so hard for /v/ characters to be promoted for these two reasons

>>130997
/v/ doesn't play video games

>>130991
I was going to come here to mention Ice King as well. It's too soon without a second run at least for me to claim him as a dead candidate, but he's in a rough spot after last year. The worst part is that I'm still torn over what that anon's motivations were with the weird incontinence comments. Most likely explanation was a falseflag, but it got so involved at points that I actually wonder if it was genuine. It is worth noting that Ice King did make two rounds before losing to a powerhouse in Doof, but I can still see him being seen as a magnet for trouble if that anon happens to return.

Jack Frost has become one of the most hated runner-ups, and I would say in his case it did largely come down to his lame campaign. He started almost dead silent, got largely pushed for a meme finals that wasn't THAT funny, and worst of all relied on a lot of lowbrow funposting for any campaign activity once he started actually getting vocal. Could have been a fun pick, but instead ended up being a largely unlikable, boring candidate. The only major argument against all this is that he did indeed give a memorable moment in the Mario shit tribute, but even that didn't do any favors to make Jack Frost seem like a very worthwhile pick on his own.

>>131070
You forgot his pornposting. Definitely very important for his campaign.

>>131070
The Mario shit tribute is quite literally one of the worst pieces of OC these tournaments have ever spawned, it already detracts from Jack’s potential to make a rebound this year but the fact that it got him to the Finals will ensure he’ll never win, no one other than chaosfags or funposters wants a winner like this.

>>131072
I hate to say it but those E621 links were unironically some of the better material from his campaign. Not even in a horny way, but it was so bad links to porn wasn't so bad in comparison

>>130947
I have to say I kind of hated Spongebob back then after he defeated Godzilla and did nothing but porn post against Squidward but then again Mr.Krabs campaign showed otherwise. Squidward kind of saved it with creepy pasta shit but it felt a little underwhelming that we didn't get anything much from it.

>>131079
>after he defeated Godzilla and did nothing but porn post against Squidward
That was an absurdly obvious falseflag.

>>131070
I feel like Frost could bounce back at being a mainstay but not a prominent SMT runner for a couple of years. He could easily recover from that mess since he's likeable in a weird way with the fanbase and Atlus is working on stuff recently and staying relevant.

>>131081
It's Sam's meming and the fact that he won twice here just like Xavier. Personally I'm tired of him, but I don't see why people like to drag some characters down in their funposting.

>>131081
It turns out piggybacking off powerhouses will backfire on you and also caused a character ban.

>>131081
Something got to do with the fact he was paired with powrhouses the past two /tnt/ tourneys and him entering E8 three times in a row. Which is kinda stupid when you realize that the first time he entered the E8 he was paired with the good hunter which while thematic, did drag him down due to the character being a blank slate. He also lost in the first round in the heroes tournaments.
Geralt isn’t just a random nobody, he is one of the more iconic video game characters, and probably the most famous non-vidya game character ever (arguably second to only AM). He also has consistently great campaign and support from multiple anons and had prior to booru shutting down, among the highest OC’s count for a non-E8 member.

>>131083
literally one schizo is spewing that E8 h8 and it's getting so boring to the point that I find Industrycuck's ramblings more fun and entertaining

>>131085
It probably isn’t how he made E8 three times in a row, but perhaps how at least one anon kept rubbing this fact in people's face.

>>130947
ENA for being a recency bias pick and her game being cancelled so many times. Also Hornet since she barely has a character and her supporters acted entitled.

>>131085
way to treat your first teammate like trash, kek

Even then the Jack/Geralt team wasn't nominated in good faith. If Geralt was so famous then why would he need a nigger buff?

>>131087
>His real calling lies on the main King /v/ tournament and how well he’ll do this year with the momentum he’s build.
He wasn't the powerhouse you thought he was in /v/ either. He beat two very low seeds until Eggman in R3.

>>131089
Amazing, not a single thing being said in this post is true!

AM but I like him over some contestants here aside from Ice King. I think his game and character is spectacular but his haters and fanboys are grating my motivation to campaign for him.

>>131092
I am not claiming he is a powerhouse but he has created quite the momentum. Jetstream sam post, SameCHAD and the campaign Geralt got in King /v/ 2023 really got him into the spotlight. People legitimately were concerned that Geralt, someone who qualified with the skin of his teeth, was going to beat Eggman who was considered one of the strongest contestants in that years tourney.

>>131094
Only AM haters have falseflagged as the fanboys. Don't listen to them.
>>131095
SJ pairing pissed me off because the doomposting wasn't entertaining in the first place which wasted the biggest potential we could of have since they both complemented each other more than the other two. Doomguy was funny and more energetic at least. GH could have been better if the anon drew more or did OC that benefited from the gameplay video editing angle of it more since Bloodborne has a great use of its setting to boost his campaign but that's just me.

>>131094
Annoying posters shouldn't detract you from supporting a character you like, otherwise you are inviting the same trolls and other bad faith posters into further continuing their act. I definitely get what you mean though.

>>131097
This is why I didn’t like Samurai Jack getting paired with Snake. It would’ve been just a doomposting shitfest which would’ve been stale the second they proceeded. Most likely losing to the peoples heroes.

>>131102
SKIBIDI SKIBIDI BIDEN
SKIBIDI BIDEN JOE JOE JOE

>>131103
It's Joeover

>>131102
>Wirt
Those must be some old memories because I don’t think Wirt has been relevant to Mr. /co/ since 2020.

>>131102
>TFW people still think there’s one Oswald campaigner
NGL that sucks, because I know I’m not the one people are referring to also

Engineer TF2: The spam wasn't funny when /v/ posted about it for the first time nor was it during king that year. Other mercs are missed opportunities like always but their potentials are wasted with the exception of Scout and Pauline.

>>131091
Because he's a weak character who only won due to taking on shittier characters.

>>131115
Being fair to the RPer, he did try to play the Icon of Sin more like a wrathful demon who doesn’t know when to shut the fuck up while keeping a jokey hate-sink angle. Heck, at first I thought it was meant to be complimentary to Doomguy's campaign in a similar way Zantposting was to Midna.

While we're on the topic of Geralt, I'm still a tiny bit upset we couldn't get the Extracurricular After Hours rematch in co-op 2024

>>131108
The funniest thing about Engineer in the tournaments how everyone came to the realization Augie was the one behind the spam at the same time, merely a year after the fact.

>>131119
wasn't that obvious?

>>131085
Witcher Geralt is WAY more known than AM, nobody these days but /v/ and some tiktok zoomers even know what IHNMAMS even is.

>>131122
I knew all the way back to 2022 but it seems it didn't become common knowledge until last year.

>>131127
Good
>is from source that is dicksucked
Bad
>is from source people don’t like

>>131123
Maybe it's because I'm not a burger and as such the perception is different here but I would expect someone who knows about the Witcher game series to be the kind of person to have some awareness of what IHNMAIMS is.

>>131101
>sore winner
This just means "winner /tnt/ doesn't like". /tnt/ campaigners can't stop being upset at Jack's win while most of his actual supporters on /v/ don't even think about tourneys and maybe just occasionally remember King 2022 as "haha it was pretty cool how the chad kill chaos guy won"

>>131127
The general consensus for good and bad campaigns seems to be-
>Good
Be one of /tnt/'s darling picks who spams a lot and is in the "in-club" of roleplayers
>Bad
Be a campaigned character who is not one of /tnt/'s darlings or goes against them

This is the exact stuff Temp was warning us about.


Except he kept mentioning Shakespear and the Romans for some reason. Pretty sure Temp is a dude, ladies don’t talk about Rome

>>131140
list all of /tnt/'s darlings

>>131142
Every solo campaigner that ever posted here, their characters are all /tnt/'s darlings.

>>131148
ok now post your top 5

>>131149
1. AM
2. Eggman
3. Recette
4. Battler
5. Fang

>>131137
Being a sore winner precisely means caring too much about winning, At the time of his victory I do remember Jack supporters getting incredibly pissy when people brought up other characters' campaigns or pointed out his finale was one of the worst ones yet.
>most of his actual supporters on /v/ don't even think about tourneys
Most of his actual supporters don't even think about him now, because it's a FOTM character propped up by a meme they wouldn't have campaigned for any other year.

>>131140
What character getting mentioned ITT got you so pissed, anon?

>>131137
Same pretty much applies to Recette desu, most of the people upset at her win are /tnt/ users (and /co/ users to some extent since that's where the drama around her really started afaik) whereas /v/ largely does not mind her, and similarly the average /v/irgin who doesn't think about tourneys besides when they're happening just remembers her win as "haha it was cool how the cute capitalism ho girl from that one oldfag game won", /v/ even continues to make non-funpost art of her like that one drawfag that still draws Recette with Mado evidently not knowing or not caring about whatever tourney reputation she might have gotten

>>131153
Recette gets a bad rep because of Aerd being an attention whoring pedo, it hasn't actually got anything to do with her character or even the campaign itself. Said drawfag you mention is Hexanon btw.

>>131151
>trash character's victory
>fans of character's defend them
like wut, of course they'll argue it. Personally I thought he got too much flak on meta grounds that weren't the characters fault.

>>131154
Recett'e bad rep has as much to do with being a weak winner who got by purely on campaign and being an underdog above character.

>>131155
The flak he (and his fags) got was deserved desu. His year has aged very accordingly to that.

>>131156
But what exactly makes Recette a "weak winner" then? Being from a game you have never played or that you think doesn't get enough threads nowaydays?

>>131154
>Said drawfag you mention is Hexanon btw.
Wtf I didn't even realize that until you pointed it out, so not only was this guy shitting out fully drawn/shaded Hex Maniac pictures every 15 minutes nonstop but he was making those kino Madotsuki pictures too? I really want to see this guy record himself drawing just once so I can understand what trickery he employs to be that damn efficient, hopefully it'd help me learn how to draw faster since my drawing speed is slower than Gabe Newell after eating 50 McChickens

>>131158
I told you in my post.

>>131159
AI filling in I'm guessing.

>>131157
What's wrong with Jack Garland the character though

>>131160
Thing is, we also have winners like Zorak and Batter who got by campaign and underdog appeal too that don't get the same reputation. Which is why I don't think anyone actually cares about what you just said and for the most part only trashes the character's win for a different reason.

>>131162
This thread is about characters whose reputation got soured thanks to their campaigns and the attitude of their fans, nobody is actually trying to discuss whether he specifically is actually a good winner or not.

>>131163
Zorak and Batter came in with a marked legacy than Recette. But even then Batter's got some flak about it before. I didn't think this was anything hard to see considering what Recette's been criticized for many times before. But I think it looks extra bad when you compound the aerd stuff with it. As then it's seen as a campaign underdog victory that was (semi)stealthily based on a very negative individual.

>>131165
Yeah yeah, I bet you a thousand bucks if it weren't for the main campaigner being who he is, Recette would have never gotten the reputation she has now.
>(semi)stealthily
It's been brought up before, but what was the guy even supposed to do in that case? People might find the background reasons Aerd likes Recette unlikeable, but I don't think the campaign itself was stealthily or lacking in passion. Even then, I remember Aerd was in fact very open about being a lolicon during the tournament and going so far as to show himself commissioning porn, so most of what has come after the fact is an overreaction from people who weren't paying a lot of attention to the tourney.

>>131157
nah, Jack was cool.

>>131163
Pretty much that yeah, it's like with Wuya where the winner gets a lower reputation almost entirely due to the identity of a campaigner rather than any issue with the character or the campaign itself, as in both cases A. the character was received positively as a winner at the time, and only being received less positively after the fact when the identity of the campaigner is put into the spotlight and B. the campaign had other campaigners besides the one drawing flak, though the latter was the most prevalent and thus the most associated with the campaign
Basically what I'm saying is Wuya is Ms. /co/'s Recette; the circumstances around their winner reputations are almost exactly the same besides the "host favoritism" accusations for Wuya. A shame in both cases, going forward I'd rather people disassociate the respective seedy campaigners (NSA/aerd) from the characters as I feel like it's basically a win for those faggots to let them be "their" winners, instead of the hundreds of voters who were genuine fans of those characters and the other people who helped support them in the threads

>>131166
What I mean is, on the converse, had Recette NOT been an underdog campaigner meta win then the aerd stuff also wouldn't have gotten her such a bad reputation. You see what arguably more controversial circumstances do to widely liked and board-centric winners like Fang and Grimm. People just kind of overlook it.

>>131168
Again though this is sort of ignoring the campaign underdog nature of the wins as the hand-in-hand factor to their rep. Wuya is a similar case in that it just turned out the bad campaigner was THE campaigner for that character and the character otherwise probably wouldn't have gotten that far. If it were a character capable of such without the campaigner then it wouldn't be such an issue (having the widespread popularity and easy good will of the board). The critique of the character from campaigner becomes bound in the underdog meta status of it. But I would argue Wuya really isn't as bad of a case in this regard either, cause again she's a character with more relative legacy than Recette. She has her own factor of host faggotry, and the tired screwy history of ms. /co/.

>>131169
>>131170
Grimm and Fang might not get funposted to death like Recette does but IMO I think that has got more to do with the fact both have vocal fanbases that know how to mitigate the controversy around them. Grimm is also a character that largely got by campaign and people attempted to strategically depict as an underdog. This last point even got discussed over once the tourney had ended.

>>131170
>But I would argue Wuya really isn't as bad of a case in this regard either, cause again she's a character with more relative legacy than Recette.
In other words, I like Wuya but I don't like Recette.

>>131170
That is also a good point, though by legacy do you mean tourney-wise or board-wise? Because both have pretty significant board legacies closer to when they both came out in the 2000s even if neither are quite as prevalent on-board as they used to be, and I know with Recette in particular she had kind of an "old /v/" appeal as a selling point
Either way I appreciate being able to have an actual reasonable discussion about the more controversial winners for once, usually when people discuss them it's filtered behind several layers of Irony, Shitposting, and Salt that gets really obnoxious

>>131171
>has got more to do with the fact both have vocal fanbases that know how to mitigate the controversy around them
That's pretty much what I mean though by them coming in with a bigger natural liking. The fanbases are not so in the moment and meta artificial.
>>131172
I don't see what you misunderstand with "more relative legacy than Recette." I think she's pretty clearly more notable to /co/ than Recette is to /v/. Wuya came in with already qualifying every year and a consistent fanbase. She's also sort of a goon and SS icon and Xiaolin Showdown is a cult classic. She's underdoggish but not as much.

>>131168
This is impossible because Wuya’s campaigner was the host of the entire tournament.

>>131173
Wuya applies to both but I mostly mean the latter, also somewhat in the medium. 'Legacy's' kind of a total statement here, evaluating the status of a character coming into a tourney. And I feel being a minor hit on a board like /v/ is definitely lesser to a decent hit on /co/, since /co/ is a less active board with less going on in it's medium and so it's more notable when a media really gets stuck to it's consciousness.

>>131162
he rebelled

>>131174
>I think she's pretty clearly more notable to /co/ than Recette is to /v/.
I heavily disagree with this. I would argue Recettear is very uniquely iconic to /v/ and its culture, being a Japanese indie back from the day with a catchy soundtrack, a nice slice-of-life story with occasional funny moments and a cute cast, but that most importantly tried mixing dungeon crawling and shop management in a way that has never been repeated properly after the fact.
What is Xiaolin Showdown actually remembered for beyond being a mediocre cartoon that latter on got an even more unfortunate continuation? Even with everyone generally agreeing Wuya and Jack, and their dynamic as a result, are the best part of the show, you can't even say the former won for this reason when the appearance most people remember her for was barely featured through the tournament, and the presence of the latter was an afterthought.

Remember when the NSA discovery was still going on and anons tried checking posts that contained 'Wuya' on Desuarchive, and all the recent mentions were related to the tournament in some way.

>>131179
I like both and I gotta disagree about Xiaolin Showdown, the show has a lot of wit and funny moments even if a lot of it is admittedly carried by the villains. Because let's be honest when anyone thinks about Xiaolin Showdown the very first thing that comes to mind is Jack Spicer
By the way there were actually some Wuya guys posting with Ghost Wuya, naturally NSA only ever drew Sexy Wuya because NSA is a coomer but I thought it would be fair to point that out

>>131179
You accuse me of simply liking one more than the other but you seem to do the same. I don't state anything of the quality of Recettear (or Xiaolin) but I do think you overstate it's significance to /v/, also what i said here
>>131176
And we are at the end of the day still talking about the character notability more than the media they come from anyways. I see Wuya known beyond the fandom of her show (still more relatively popular to /co/ than Recettear is to /v/), Recette herself has not been noteworthy outside of the occasional small group that are fans of the game.

>>131182
I just think it's disingenuous to talk about Wuya in a way that overrates her notability when she's not particularly note-worthy on /co/ legacy-wise, in what is an attempt to separate her situation from Recette's, when they are actually pretty much the same as the other anon correctly pointed out. You argue Wuya has a more consistent fanbase as opposed to merely a small group of very vocal fans, and that she has more points towards her tournament legacy for having qualified every single year, but even that is easily shot down with the knowledge the bulk of her support also came from a single person whom without she wouldn't have won, and then consider Recette was just Queen's third winner (for reference, the first edition didn't even have a qualifier round).

It's weird to compare /co/ candidates to /v/ in terms of fandom numbers. Of course more people have watched or read more comics than played games on average. Most games come with costs and time consumption that a lot of people don't have meanwhile more people can just stream an entire cartoon series in one afternoon unless you're one of those hardcore gamers who can finish a whole length game in one weekend.

>>131183
I don't think I'm overrating it so much. I told you, she has more reach and recognition to /co/ overall than does Recette to /v/. If you want numbers compare Recette having 6,100 mentions to Wuya's 6,500 mentions. /v/ is a considerably larger board. The most mentioned queen (Samus) has 275,000 mentions to the most mentioned ms. (Jenny) 39,000.
>easily shot down
It shows she was enduring to the voterbase at least. It's still telling on a level Recette did not qualify prior to her win year.

>using archive mentions as an argument
We already went over how this doesn't demonstrate anything most of the time.

>>131181
If I have any personal qualms with Wuya's campaign in particular, it's how it mostly got by NSA drawing pin-ups, piggybacking on an "alliance" with a more clear heavy hitter (Eris), and to put the icing on the cake NSA bartering votes with anons in exchange for an animated porno that never got made. I typically don't have any problem with coom being a factor when voting, but tell me, what does any of that actually say about anons' interest for Wuya's character beyond maybe her design?

>>131185
>It's still telling on a level Recette did not qualify prior to her win year.
Batter did not qualify prior to his win year, and Zorak didn't qualify until 2021 where he got a bottom seed and unceremoniously lost round 1. Also there was only one year prior in Queen with normal qualifiers, unless you want to hold it against Reimu for not qualifying for Queen of /v/ 2019 in the first 128 nominations. This does not strike me as particularly telling of very much desu, kind of feels like grasping at straws for something for Wuya to one-up Recette over
And yes I realize the other guy was similarly grasping at straws for something Recette could one-up Wuya over but really I'm not sure why this turned into a dick measuring competition between Wuya and Recette in the first place, the only point I was ever trying to make by comparing the two is that they both got screwed over by a different single person turning out to be of poor character and that we could stand to not hold that against either of them so aggressively. Both since both of said people are massive attention whores and continuing to associate them with the characters just gives them what they want, and to be fair to all the fans of those characters who aren't the aforementioned faggots

>>131188
On that last point, I assume it's because when you work with the premise one character in reality is not as popular/has a smaller fanbase, it's more justified to continue shitting on them and bring up their one problematic supporter because there aren't that many people to upset.

>>131174
I think the actual reason why those two just don't get as much shit is because their respective controversies came about when they had just won, so their fans and other contributors to their campaign were there to make a case for them and fight back accusations. Compare that to Recette who didn't really get any shit until like the first half of 2023.
Even so, to say people brush off their controversial status is probably downplaying what actually happens. It begs the question though, how will time treat them in retrospect? Who knows, maybe in a matter of a few years /v/ will have fallen out of love with BS, or /co/ might look back on Primal differently. Grimm could be more susceptible to this considering the Black Souls series is still a WIP, while Fang's story is pretty much done if Genndy goes for an anthological approach the following seasons.

>>131187
NSA said she was gonna finish that porno this year, but I think it’s pretty clear that’s not happening now unless she wants to make it for herself.

I’ll start liking Recette when I hear her mentioned even once outside the context of tournaments

Wuya is such an odd one out Ms wise
>classic waifu
>FoTM product of her time (Steven universe took over the board at that time no matter how hard we try to forget)
>from a /co/ favorite
>one of the first popular female /co/ characters
>from another /co/ favorite
>from an agreed upon mediocre show that is almost never mentioned ever

I’d argue that every winner is appropriate for the board except Wuya.

>>131188
All those characters have one-ups over Recette in archive numbers, seeding, general legacy, blah blah it's not the same case. Point is Recette's the actual biggest truest underdog, I think most would agree without a breakdown why.
>I'm not sure why this turned into a dick measuring competition
Because I don't think they're equivalent situations and there's more nuance to each getting bashed, as I go over in the reply to that anon initially comparing them. Also you were acting a dickhead about it >>131172
To deny the role Recette being a model underdog plays in the bad rep. especially in light of all the heavy meta regarding /v/ that came out the same year as she started getting a bigger trashing I think is unsound.
>>131190
That's probably part of it. But a naturally bigger higher rep would lend more defense and goodwill regardless when the controversy comes out so I'm not sure how much timing plays. I think it's a fairly clear tendency in tourneys that board favorites will get more slack and liberties (like with dumb or spammy camainging) and much more ready apologism for controversies vs. a lesser or disliked character getting ripped up for the same thing.

>>131195
>>131197
KEK absolutely beautiful timing.

>>131195
What's with the Xiaolin bashing now? The sequel is mediocre but the original is alright. And /co/ in general grew up watching it. It wasn't so strange to me at the time the popular sexy villainess of a 2000's millennial show won.

>>131200
Also the runner-up Eris fit the same bill, even having the NSA boost. She's seems to have avoided much controversy from it though.

>>131201
If Eris won the roles would be reversed

>>131200
>>131201
Why do so many people seem to confuse "mediocre" with "bad"? Mediocre just means that; "alright", "okay". Even amongst the 2000s shows Xiaolin is considereded tertiary to other titles at best, and specifically waaaay behind Billy & Mandy in popularity and legacy.

>>131201
I like Eris but I’m not sure anything good would come of her making it far again after this, unless her main drawfag does his best to try and give her a good image, it feels like she only hasn’t gotten flack for it because everyone here is tired from Wuya, the moment the main tourneygoers find out about all this I expect her to be lambasted just as hard.

>>131203
Mediocre's just a word that's come to carry an extra bad connotation, basically that there's nothing "good" to it. When you say somethings alright it's like saying it was enjoyable and good enough, but mediocre is like thumbing it down for its lack of exceptionality.
Though i agree grim adventures is bigger, but it wasn't weird xiaolin got a win considering the demographic spot and Eris kind of not being that much a character to Wuya.

>>131205
I mean Xiaolin is generally perceived as mediocre outside of Spicer and Wuya carrying it hard

>>131197
I'm the guy you are quoting in the middle of your post here. I do apologize if I came across as antagonistic before, although I share the point the other anon made about how both Wuya and Recette exemplify the same situation of a relatively niche character winning thanks to a dedicated fan that eventually turned out to have a not-so-favorable background. Splitting hairs over one maybe being slightly more well-known than the other is a waste of time because at the end of the day they both have the same meta arguments going on (>>131184 also makes a good point about differences in medium).
Furthermore, if Wuya was truly different from Recette in popularity and status, I'm sure we would have seen more apologism for her like it happens with the other naturally high rep winners with some controversy going on, as you describe.

I pointed out before but I still find it strange how quickly and radically the mood changed during Ms. /co/ last year going from semifinals to finals. I don't want to believe NSA actually rigged either finalist into beating their semifinals opponent but it sure would do a lot to explain why so few seemed interested in the final match. Then again, the alternative of either Toph or Raven beating a NSA favorite and having to endure a psychotic meltdown for the entirety of the finale doesn't sound ideal either, there's a silver lining here.

>>131208
It's because farts have never won that's why the mood was soured

>>131209
Nobody actually cares about that acronym anymore.

I bash cause she’s everything wrong with campooners. I don’t care about aerd tbh.

>>131207
>we would have seen more apologism
We don't mostly for different reasons though. In Wuya's case i think it's namely (like i said) the host's involvement in it and the baggage ms. /co/ in general holds. I don't deny Wuya is one of the "lesser" winners separate from controversies, but it's not comparable enough to Recette. I don't think it's so much splitting hairs as trying to see nuance in the situation. A single campaigner can be a huge influence on reception but it's at most I think half a reason and ultimately it has to work on a base potential, whether positive or negative (is this case the negative). There's a lot of factors going into character performances and their reception and I think it'd be better analyzing the nature of tourneys in multiple dimensions. The invective over time against meta factors (campaign winning, underdog, spite ect.) and how its redefined some of the past should not be ignored.
The fandom numbers are just a way of tangibly expressing differences in popularity. Looking at it all in general i think the differences are apparent enough. Differences in medium is not enough to brush away that Recette was, by a good margin, the most underdog in nature winner (maybe barring arguments over Betty in her contextually bizarre win).

>>131158
It's this post-2022 mindset that winners have to be iconic or contemporary cult classics. Mind you, Recettear IS a cult classic, but it's one from the 2000s and not from the last few years so I guess it doesn't count. Personally, I already said once that I think it's very silly and we shouldn't hold it against more lowkey characters who happen to pick up momentum. Not to the point where I'd want "The Fat Fuck Who Talks About Technology" to sweep it all but it's cool if every once in a while a genuinely underrated character can shine.

>>131161
He uses a paint bucket tool to fill, does everything on layer. Nuttiest thing is he doesn't draw the lines at some super high speed or anything, he just... never stops. Like, usually if you watch an artist they'll do super fast strokes, stop, stroke, stop, and so on. Not him, he draws at an average speed but literally DOES NOT stop. It's how his stuff comes out SO fast.

>>131142
Anon who replied to you wasn't me, and it's impossible to name them all, but if a character is fawned over at every opportunity, any criticism is violently responded to and trying to namefag as schizos, and especially if rigging is excused and justifications tried to be made over their campaign they are a /tnt/ darling
Schizo Alliance and Plunderers are more obvious examples, and then there's the solo acts

>>131219
meh I'm cool with a token outlier winner but third year is too early.

>>131223
/tnt/ seethes constantly over schizos and plunderers were criticized to pieces in /cov/
If you're going to push this dumb "/tnt/ darling" meme have the balls to attack a character that gets a frothing, raging defense force if anything bad is ever said about them

>>131237
NTA but Jenny. Literally anything remotely critical about her (or rather the attitude around her) and it's guaranteed replies.

>>131142
Wario,Eggman,Single red Pikmin and many more

>>131236
I dunno in Recette's case I don't think it matters, year 3 was perfectly fine for her and honestly probably more preferable than any other year; 1-2 are better for more conventional "groundwork" winners, 4-5 would've had more meta autism attached, 3 is a good middle ground.
The concern is understandable after Spinel winning early as an "outlier" winner completely fucked up the future of Ms. /co/ (even if that more amplified the other controversies around her rather than being the base issue), but with the other kind of outlier winners like Recette and Zorak they didn't noticeably effect the following tournaments in any real way (plus in Zorak's case he's year 5 so there's even less issue there) if the way it was immediately followed by more conventional and straight winners like Midna/Curly and Skeletor is anything to go by

>>131142
/tnt/ darling is already an ambiguous term cause it seems it could mean any campaign-boosted campaign-centric character that gets lauded here. If we go with characters that specifically do better and get way more positive attention here than on the main boards then I guess mao mao, Erika, Torres, and that chinese puppet anon are prime examples.
Plunderers are in an odd place cause they actually get an almost equal amount of flak, basically attacked because they ARE perceived as /tnt/ darlings. But they have a huge particular presence here so it's understandable. Maybe '/tnt/ darling' isn't the right term, but '/tnt/-core' is more appropriate for what people might think of as darlings most of the time.

>>131238
Yeah Jenny might be it. She's worshipped as "Teh best winner ever" constantly, it's nauseating. She's fine but calm down, people

>>131237
>>131238
don't forget Reimu

>>131241
Recette's win was meta autism though. Arguably the most meta win to date. It didn't effect Queen but it basically prefigured KoV's autism and debatably set the standard.

>>131246
>reading the archives where the schizo alliance was started out of people wanting to get justice for Madotsuki
It really all goes back to that one finale, Mado vs Recette?
The cunnyfags did all of this

>>131244
Who was the best ms. then.
Don't say fang.

>>131248
I mean, got a better alternative?
Betty Boop I guess is cool as a tribute to early cartoons

>>131239
What makes them darlings, especially Eggman with the "shit and finished" posting

>>131249
>got a better alternative?
yeah Jenny lol. Doesn't carry a shitton of controversy and bickering.

>>131244
She’d be worshipped less if Ms /co/ had at least one other winner who wasn’t bogged down by a controversy or an especially shitty year.

>>131252
I mean that's really got to be it. Sad that we ALMOST had another winner like that with Wuya, but nope the host campaigned for her and likely fabricated a lot of that drama so Wuya would look better.

>>131249
tbh I think Monarch. 2020 was actually a relatively clean and fun year. There's nothing really disagreeable about monarch in herself or her legacy. Had it not been for the pity boost stuff I might even say she's about as good as Jenny. Oddly 2020 has probably become the least talked about and remembered ms.
I'll give Fang the popularity but 2022 was full of so much bullshit leading to and including her win, plus the questionability of dinofagging novelty voter hype over actually knowing the character, that I can't really give her #1.
Betty's cool in herself but the tourney was fucked, and it's arguable her having basically no presence on the board severely downgrades her.
Wuya is host tainted. Also is apparently a Recette underdog equivalent to some now too.
Spinel needs no explanation.

>>131255
Oh and her tournament year was my personal favorite overall, that helps a lot too. Also I wouldn't mind if people called her Dr. Girlfriend or Sheila for short instead of Monarch though I understand with the former that's only for the early seasons and for the latter she's not usually referred to that way and it might be confusing to people who haven't seen the show
>>131254
>Oddly 2020 has probably become the least talked about and remembered ms.
Probably because there wasn't a major shitshow that year to draw debates over, it was largely just good, clean, enjoyable fun

>>131256
>Probably because there wasn't a major shitshow that year to draw debates over
There was though. The whole facebook scandal was unearthed then and the Spinel rigging was basically confirmed, plus Emmy and a few others being rigged by the same group that year (funnily enough over Wuya). I remember it being a huge deal, doomer posting about the fate of tourneys, rulefagging, ect. and talked about for a year or two. Then it just kind of got buried in time. Emmy was a hot topic but now ain't even really an entity anymore from any side.

>>131257
Yeah but Basilanon exposing the Peruvian riggers was more of completing the picture of the shitshow that occurred in 2019, it wasn't necessarily 2020's shitshow so to say
Emmy and Miko getting tied to the Facebook group was a major incident for those rounds for sure but as far as I remember things died down on that front when the Peruvian backed characters very quickly got voted out of the tournament, even if they were remembered for the rest of the year as KWABs basically. Though I could also just have an incomplete memory of what happened, it has been 4 years after all

>>131258
I think it's that the characters involved just... aren't notable enough? Emmy was kind of like nu media fotm and hardly seems to get threads now. She was a meme for like a year though.

>>131260
Agreed, I hate characters who are propelled by their popularity like Mr. Incredible and Luigi

>>131259
>Emmy went from seed 5 in 2020 and seed 14 in 2021 to seed 116 in 2023
Grim, I suspect all the indie /co/ robofuckers moved onto Murder Drones
Though I do like that aspect of having these tournaments yearly especially with the qualifiers positions, being able to see in real time characters popularity rising and falling while others popularity remains consistent. Especially with newer characters/ones that only recently were put into the spotlight, it's fun going back and seeing which ones just ended up being purely Flavor of the Months or otherwise just products of that specific year, and which ones went on to have a lasting following and continued to return to the bracket or even improve their standings

>>131246
It was some very fun campaign autism, though.

>>131255
At that time I really thought that Tyr deserved to win as Duck Dodgers was one of my favorites, but after watching Venture Brothers I did take it back and legitimately believe that Mrs. Monarch deserved the win back then.

>>131237
>/tnt/ seethes constantly over schizos and plunderers were criticized to pieces in /cov/
/tnt/ openly defended Grimm to the point of someone saying he was rigged triggering them so bad they forced someone from another Discord over here to "apologize" and say it wasn't a big deal, and then infamous schizo-naming for anyone who wasn't into Plunderers
They are /tnt/'s favorite children by the general group and that you're trying to claim they aren't because of some seething from a few people during side shit doesn't help the issue

>>131250
I don't agree with the assesment, but at least in the case of the red pikmin I can recall people voicing disappointment it go in over other Pikmin characters, to which someone seemed very defensive over. At that point I just sort of assumed it was the campaigner himself jumping on the defense. JPEG Dog was the more memorable joke nomination last year anyway.
But as already said, "/tnt/-darling" is more of ambigous term charged with negative connotations used against campaign-heavy contestants, but more often than not the characters being talked about in reality get equal amounts of flak and appreciation.

>>131248
Fang

>>131267
>and then infamous schizo-naming for anyone who wasn't into Plunderers
Maybe I'm playing devil advocate's, but there indeed was someone who acted very antagonistic towards John Silver particularly, as if he held some deep grudge against the character. He even confronted the RPer about it at one point.

>>131263
>Grim, I suspect all the indie /co/ robofuckers moved onto Murder Drones
Based on how active MD threads are that seems to be what happened.

>>130947
What about the opposite? Is there a character or source material that people didn’t like who’s tournament presence warmed them up to it?

who were the characters rigged for in Queen 2021 again?

>>131273
Pretty much any well-liked Joke character

>>131267
Funny how people can bitch about schizos endlessly, but point out that half the problem with them is that Grimm BLATANTLY rigged and illegitimate and people flip their shit

>>131277
Grimm already won so most of his fans aren't going to care at all if you simply bitch about the alliance. Bringing up the rigging is kicking the hornet's nest.

>>131237
Amaterasu. NSA martyred her into being pretty much the Jesus of tournaments.

I could say that her supporters complaining that everyone just sees her as a dog is weird considering they themselves were fine with treating her as a dog and tracing cute dog memes as part of her campaign. But I'd instantly get "NSAbro btw"'d

>>131279
Ammy pretty much got treated as not a wholesome Reddit doggo to a wholesome Reddit doggo after the muzzle image got made which is funny since Ammy isn't a wholesome Reddit doggo but a larper

>>131254
>>131255
The worst thing about Monarch winning is that it was an impulsive pity vote that cucked her husband out of winning. Between the two, he's easily the more beloved/iconic character but because of tournament dates he got screwed hard.

>>131279
Fair points. Honestly the most annoying thing as an Amaterasu supporter was constantly having to reexplain what Okami was, turns out barely anybody that queen played it or even knew about the game and most people did think she was just a dog.

>we have someone who thinks the pity voting monarch got didn’t actually do much
>when she only won the semifinals by a single digit margin
>when she went from a midcarder at best from previous years to a powerhouse right after the cancellation announcement
Bruh it’s abundantly obvious that’s what happened. Anyways, Fang and Monarch winning Ms and Mr respectively would have been the optimal outcome for 2020.

>>131304
tyr'ahnee would've been the best winner

>>131304
Fang and Sheila should have swapped winning years for an ideal outcome.

>>131306
Very unlikely Tyr could've won against Fang though. Fang almost definitely wins if there was no cancellation.

>>131309
i don't fucking care who hypothetically would have won, i'm just saying who i think should've won

>>131310
Fang is better though.

>>131312
This.

>>131310
Toph should've won.

>>131315
There needs to be art of Fang greeting Toph into the winners circle if she ever wins

>>131304
Actually I agree, and I say that as someone who dislikes Fang's 2022 win.

>>131304
Maybe I'm crazy but it seems to me that besides Spinel, Ms. /co/ generally has pretty alright winners. It's the circumstances around them that are questionable.
In a way it feels like an inverse of the complaints king /v/ is getting, where they get undeniably enthusiastic campaigns but as characters if you aren't into the very insular and specific archetype that's won the past 3 tourneys you're feeling pretty left out.

>>131424
The problem is more that there's a bunch of alright winners, but not enough great ones.

>>131424
>if you aren't into the very insular and specific archetype that's won the past 3 tourneys you're feeling pretty left out.
Fair but I'd leave Jack Garland out of that since, besides the debate of whether or not he even is part of the schizo team past 2021, he really isn't part of the same archetype that Batter or Grimm are. Batter and Grimm are part of the same RPG Maker niche and are both deranged villainous protagonists (albeit in completely different ways, and they're not very similar beyond that), whereas Jack Garland is from a widely hyped ARPG from one of the biggest franchises in vidya and character-wise isn't that similar to the 2021/2023 winners either, fitting in more of an anti-hero role. I think it's completely reasonable that there's to be people who were super hyped for Jack Garland that don't care about Batter or Grimm and vice versa

>>131424
Spinel, separate from tourney circumstances, is also a decent winner.

>>131433
She got Steven Universe out of the way at least

>>131434
Reimu and Touhou are the obligatory annoying fanbases and both got a character to win in year 2
Funny coincidence

>>131440
Ah yes my two favorite medias... Reimu and Touhou.

>>131442
Steven Universe and Touhou, I'm retarded

>>131424
It's pretty hard to argue all last three King of /v/ winners fill out the same archetypes or even niche - just compare to someone like Jack who is pretty unambigously meant to be a good guy and taken at face value, to a morally ambiguous, nearly monstrous character like Batter who you will end up questioning through most of the game.
I'd say the biggest issue with Ko/v/ in terms of champions is that so far we have seen few decade, genre or design departures. That, and how in a similar vein to Ms. /co/ there's some regret when it comes to recency bias and rigging controversies.

>>131446
I disagree about design departures since they all have pretty distinct designs from another, if it's because they're all male adults then I don't really care since how different the body type is to other champions is a complete non-issue to me
Decade is harder to work around as vidya is a very new medium in the grand scheme of things; there's about 4.5 decades of vidya (80s-20s, with most characters dating somewhere in the middle) to work with so naturally date of origins will be more concentrated. I actually think all things considered King has a good spread there, you have early 10s, early 00s, late 00s, early 20s (or late 80s if you count FF1 Garland) and late 10s. Though decade of origin is also an extremely inconsequential trait for champions in my opinion
Genre I think is fair to want more variety in, there's 3 action games (2 hack-and-slash, 1 ARPG) and 2 RPG Maker games. With Grimm you could say there's a little extra spice since he's the only eroge winner, though even then Black Souls isn't really an h-game first and foremost since the h-scenes aren't the main focus there and you can just turn them off and not miss that much. Personally I think there's plenty of great FPS characters that I'd like to see do well or win outright, though even if another action/RPG character wins I won't mind since at the end of the day this is a character tournament not a game tournament

>>131448
How many people vote based on game preference anyway? For me a character has to be REALLY boring for me to not vote for them if I liked the actual game (N64 Zeldas are amazing but Link is a mute swordguy, I'm not voting for him) but I'll never vote for a character if the game itself was shit (I'm not voting for mobile game garbage like mafia city, even if the ads are hilarious)

>>131481
Sorta depends for me but I'd vote for a character that I really like even if I'm not a fan of their source material over one where I like the source but don't like the character.

>>131481
I am more inclined to vote for characters from games that I really like, too bad most heavy hitters are from games I don't like or care about.

>>131505
Any heavy hitters whos games you do like?

>>131530
I like TF2 (though I would prefer seeing other mercs than Heavy), Okami is cool and Touhou too; can't think of anything else.

>>131536
Any lower hitters who's games you do like?

>>131537
What would a "lower hitter" even be?

>>131536
>(though I would prefer seeing other mercs than Heavy)
Rate my lineup for next year's King
>Sniper
>Soldier
>Pyro (or Spy if Pyro gets in Queen instead)
Somewhat unrelated but I want Administrator to make it in Queen again, still surprised she didn't make it last year while Scout's Mom of all characters did