DC General: Beware the Batgirl Edition PREVIOUS ISSUE:>>46400
Why Batgirl? Because Warner Bros. has apparently decided to give Joss Whedon a shot at writing, producing, and directing a Batgirl film: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/03/30/joss-whedon-will-direct-batgirl
>>47902 If only they hadn't screwed with the original it really could have worked. Civil Court cases against Superheros about damages. We could have Harvey Bridman'd this show. it could have been funny and great. Instead of a shitting disaster of failed Batman jokes.
>>47937 Yea. I do feel bad for them as the original was so much better. Wonder if anyone from that convention will leak a cam of that.
I mean normal people struggling to get on an equal footing with Superheros sounds like like a great gimmick.
Just the mental picture of some poor sap trying to get the Amazons to settle up in court and they call in fucking Themis to represent them. It just makes me smile.
Hell you could make it so that an entire season builds up to just the case because one would expect it to be really fucking hard to get a Superhero into the courtroom. Heck four episodes alone could be the plot of just trying to get to Paradise Island and serve the papers.
Also I'd tap Ambush Bug to be part of the cast as the B plot would be him working to get various D and Less Lister to settle up on lesser insurance matters. Part of me would want Ambush Bug and Lobo duo but that's maybe too much.
Justice League finished filming months ago. Whedon will be directing a few planned reshoots (because that's the craze nowadays) and complete the post-production, but the finished product will be 99% Snyder's. I *seriously* doubt Whedon is going to change things noticeably, especially given the circumstances.
Snyder finished directing the principal photography. WB has already released trailers. Whedon cannot change anything major about the film at all at this point. At best, he can add a few minor scenes and maybe tweak some dialogue in what will likely be green-screen-heavy reshoots. The film already has a direction and a tone and all that; Whedon coming in to wrap things up cannot and will not change that, especially with studio execs looking over his shoulder.
The Alamo Drafthouse in NYC decided to run a women-only screening for “Wonder Woman” during the film’s opening weekend. The response to this from certain corners of the Internet (read: the women-hating caves of MRAs and their PUA brethren) was so strong that the Drafthouse took decisive action—by adding another women-only screening to the schedule.
Won't watch it until next week but my friends are also saying it's good. A little conventional and the third act is what you come to expect from these kinds of movies but it's solid and well made, not an editing clusterfuck like Suicide Squad and less melodramatic than the Snyder films.
>>47994 Which is good because Cap 1 is one of the better Marvel films.
And IMO, the "World War" aspect in Wonder Woman was better handled and more interesting. One of things that I didn't like in First Avenger was that after Cap frees the soldiers, almost all the WWII action is left in a 2 minute long montage.
>>47995 Agreed. WW also used its Howling Commandos equivalents much better too. It was right at the point you mentioned that Cap 1 started to fall apart. Overall I think I still prefer Cap 1 better but WW was more consistently good even if it didn't reach the highs of Cap 1.
>>47998 Something I did like better in First Avenger was the climax. Cap Vs Red Skull wasn't exactly an incredible action scene by any means, but I did appreciate that it was a very oldschool fistfight. WW vs Ares is yet another generic CGI lightshow, pretty much any of the earlier action scenes were more exciting and in fact I consider it the weakest part of the film.
... actually, now that I think about it a lot of Superhero films do suffer from that, weak final confrontations between the the main hero and the antagonist.
>>48000 Yeah. Also they were fighting to take control of the bomber whereas in this movie it feels like they just fought because they felt the movie needed a big bad guy fight. Though I think Ares was fine until they went full CGI. Part of me wishes they used more to get rid of that stupid looking mustache.
Word around is that Whedon's influece in Justice League will be a lot deeper than just the expected "he's just carrying post-production duties", specifically he allegedly shot new scenes with Cyborg to make him less grimderp.
>>48169 >considered unwatchable by the WB people I tend to believe that studios will never pull anything for reasons other than legal issues and taboo/swearing issues. If they pull something on quality control, it must be seriously messed up.
>>48174 Dunno Snyder kept becoming more and more disjointed so they very well could have been even less narrative cohesion then BvS. It very well could have felt like a few smaller films than one large cohesive piece.
The closest anyone ever got to giving him one was The Killing Joke—the comic, not the animated film—and even that did not ultimately stick. But yes, the mystique surrounding Joker’s lack of a true origin is the largest part of what makes him a compelling character. Any attempt to pigeonhole him into a “definitive” origin or pre-Joker identity makes the character less compelling.
>>48187 Even in the context of the comic, the "origin" presented in Killing Joke isn't definitive, it's there to leave you thinking if there is any truth to that sob story or if it is just something the Joker made up. It was stupid that later writers attempted to validate that origin in canon, since it would rob the subtlety of that plot point.
In other news related to female DC characters, the upcoming live-action series Titans has a Starfire: Anna Diop, whose recent work includes 24: Legacy, The Messengers, and Quantico. She joins Teagan Croft, who will be playing the role of Raven.
Writers need to understand that mysterious characters are cool because... well, because they are mysterious. Trying to shed light into the mystery often at best adds nothing of worth to the characters, and at worst ruins them. You have to be a really, REALLY good writer to pull it off.
Seeing Boba Fett as a dumbass kid didn't make him any cooler, knowing that the Xenomorphs were created by a crazy robot from earth only made me ask why the title is still "Alien", and the realization that Michael Myers was the product of some wacky celtic conspiracy gave me a headache. And certainly, I don't give a damn about what's the Joker's true origin. Some questions are better left without an answer.
>>48191 I can forgive them if it ends up being a Rashomon type deal where Joker's backstory(s) act as a backdrop to characterize DCEU Gotham's underworld and the other Batvillains as a whole, but I don't trust them to be that capable.
>>48258 That they didn't realize it earlier on when everyone was screaming in their faces is facepalm-worthy, but better late than never, especially if it means their future movies are as good as Wonder Woman.
>>48288 Why isn't Jane Fonda getting any flack? She pretty much admitted that she knew about Weinstein's abuses for years and did nothing about it. Anybody who knew and remained silent need to be publicly ashamed.
>>48290 Well Affleck its both committing and aiding in the problem and Jane Fonda isn't currently a A list star. But yea its turning out a whole bunch of A listers did a bunch of muscling to keep the media silent on this. Either because they themselves were complicit or didn't want to rock the boat and ruin their careers.
Time for the surviving Cory to shine that light bright.
Bob Chipman, aka “MovieBob”, swore that if he were to ever do a “Really That Bad” episode of his “Really That Good” series (mainly-positive video essays about good films and why they are “really that good”), he would do such an episode only for the right movie, and it would only ever be a one-off. Turns out, he found that movie—in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
He put out a preview a few weeks ago about his reasoning for the two-part episode and why he chose that movie — //youtube.com/watch?v=_FzzIDgVLm8 — and yesterday, he dropped Part 1 of his deep dive into why Dawn of Justice is…well, really that bad:
The original plan for Justice League was making it a two-film story. After Warner Bros. axed that idea (likely spurred by the failures of BvS and Suicide Squad), the one-film story was shaping up to be another two-and-a-half-hour trek through the DCEU. Snyder left the film for a truly heartbreaking reason, so WB asked Joss Whedon to finish the damn thing. And now the reportedly 300-million-dollar film has been cut down into a two-hour story.
How long do you think will it be until WB gives up on the DCEU?
>>48338 Right now WB has no real reason to give the DCEU the axe, all 4 movies released so far have made a substantial amount of money. BvS underperformed a bit because they were aiming it to join the billion dollar club (don't forget, out of 17 films released so far Marvel only has placed 4 up there, it isn't exactly an easy feat), but still, 873 million worldwide isn't exactly spare cash. Justice League would need to be a disastrous flop for WB to consider giving up the franchise.
Justice league could theoretically flop HARD and they'd still let things play out for a bit longer since wonder woman earned a ton of good will and was a departure from the methods that made most of the other films fall.
>a departure from the methods that made most of the other films fall
Translation: “It wasn’t a Snyder-helmed fuck-up that tried to be deep and ‘complicated’ but ultimately said a bunch of nothing while telling a story with unlikeable characters and less structure than a house made of sticks.”
I would bet that Whedon did not make the call on final runtime. After all, a two-hour movie can be shown more times in a day than a two-and-a-half-hour movie, and more showings means more potential income. Whedon might have that notion in the back of his head as a tertiary concern; Warner Bros. executives, on the other hand…
The general consensus I have seen from various review roundups goes like this: “It ain’t a great movie, but it is better than Batman v Superman, which was the singular low-as-fuck bar Justice League had to clear.”
It wasn't horrible. It wasn't depressing. It was fun. And I enjoyed seeing the characters doing their thing. I am happy.
And I totally wasn´t expecting to see a Green Lantern. Also, that perfect Deathstroke! And Luthor finally looking like Luthor! And that Injustice Gang sequel hook! I can¿t believe I am again excited about these movies!
I almost feel dirty for defending a Snyder film... but there is no reason for the mediocrity of Age of Ultron to have a 75% RT score while Justice League gets destroyed with a 34%. The critics bias is clear here.
>>48385 It had built-up goodwill towards the characters and universe because of the previous movies. Justice League didn't and this was the first real look at many of the new guys so it's harder to give a shit. >>48386 Yes and they also loved LEGO Batman as well. Face it Snyder is just a hack.
>>417543 So if I understand right the pic also means that Wonder Woman and Flash are about mingle their blood, Flash kills Superman, Cyborg is the ex-slave of Aquaman, and Superman stabs Bruce Wayne with six daggers and a sword?
>>417544 Makes about as much sense as the actual movies they had in mind. Its honestly just a bunch of classic mythological symbology crudely ripped off and with a bunch of DC character logos slapped on it. Because Snyder is a fucking hack.
So the plan was Lois and Batman were fucking while Clark was "dead".
Superman was cucked into being evil in the bad timeline where she dies, but in the good timeline where Batman sacrifices himself to save Lois because he found out she was pregnant with his child Superman instead realizes his reason to live is to raise Bruce's child.
The epilogue of the final movie would be Lois telling the kid who his real father was, because "The World needs Batman" and he goes to Gotham to become the new one
Is shooting Superman with a kryptonite bullet really much of an achievement to wow people? The bullet is doing all the work, a random child could manage that achievement since he's expecting the round to just bounce off him.
Though the suicide squad movies have always been stupid since their purpose is meant to be "We need an expendable super team to take on rogue supermans" and you have people like fucking Harley Quinn on it. Yeah a dumb bitch with a baseball bat is really an anti-superman weapon.
>>417938 It's capeshit so it's a watch once, then forget type of CGI Fuck Fest. Also the super cute spunky Cyclone fell victim to Hollywoods hate for redheads which is a definite minus. The upside is that Rock is physically the closest to perfect as they could get for the role. As for the Rock, he is actually a decent actor, but they keep typecasting him in c-grade action movies, so he never has a chance to show it. Watch some of his movies that bombed (Hercules comes to mind), and you'll see that there's more to him than showing off his pecs and raising his eyebrows - but that's what the audience always expects, so if he tries acting better, the movie bombs. It's kind of like how Arnie had to get a speech therapist to re-learn his "oozee nine millimetah" accent, because that's how everyone expected him to speak.