>>43309 Still don't understand why he wears a wig since posters show bald. Also I think all the super alien hate and desert attack Batman is a bit silly. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Be nice for another franchise to work.
It looks like it could be an interesting movie on its own, but not as an adaptation of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, or any of that stuff. Might as well just call it an adaptation of Supreme, Glory, and whoever Imagebats is.
Snyder seems too preoccupied with '90s grimdark Miller-era shit. Between the muted color scheme of MoS and all the Batman stuff in BvS: Actual Movie Title, the DC Cinematic Galaxy as it stands right now seems to be going for grimdark "realisim" and a more "serious" tone than the MCU - and I'd rather have the campy fun of the MCU than whatever the hell Snyder wants to serve up.
>>43314 It reminds me a lot of that one episode of TAS with all the kids telling stories about Batman from from different angles and mediums. Cept this one ties them all together with overarching plot. I mean we've got some Dark Knight bit of Red Son maybe Injustice along with others. I worry it's going to come apart like Green Lantern did with all its story beats being clearly tooseperate to mesh fluidly.
>>43316 I think theoretically the DCCU could work as the dark and edgy counterpart to the MCU if it wasn't focused solely on those grimdark elements, if it had more a more competent showrunner, or if it wasn't Snyder as de facto head of creative direction.
Marvel gets a lot of shit for stifling its directors or for being samey, and I agree to an extent that they need to be transparent about that to the people they bring on, and maybe stop shoehorning connections to other films as extended ads, but as long as they're open with the people they work with and let them know what, from that it's not something that bothers me. It's an absolutely vital compromise if you want to ensure that your greater universe remains cohesive. This is something the DCCU currently lacks, and does not bode well for their Justice League film.
That's why when DuVernay backed out of Black Panther I don't necessarily see that as a failure on Marvel's part like some people claim. The two had different visions of the character. DuVernay wanted a more standalone project with maybe her own origin story, while Marvel wanted it to be true to the (also good if you're reading Priest's run) comics and mesh with the rest of the MCU. Better that they were frank and disagreed this early than for her to come on only for another Iron Man 2 or Wonder Woman fiasco to happen.
So, it seems that we are going to get yet another MY PARENTS ARE DEAD flashback in the movie, because audiences need to be reminded that Batman's parents are indeed dead and not on some extended caribbean vacations.
Other than that, pretty good trailer, although I am not getting a good reading of what are they doing with Lex.
>>43352 I friggin' love the Kryptonian heat vision in MoS, it's the complete opposito of the "realistic" and barely visible crap in Superman Returns. I mean, just look at that, a pillar of sun-powered death slicing huge concrete building like they were nothing. How could anyone witness such insane display of power and not feel utterly insignificant?
Warner Bros. does that for a lot of videos, DC or otherwise. The MovieBob has had several DMCA run-ins with WB over several videos (notably from his "Really That Good" series) that featured content from WB-owned films.
>>43395 The language from one of their responses, where they used terms "illegal sharing", made it sound like anyone who was a fan and wanted to see the trailer ASAP are horrible criminals. It's stupidity all around in WB, especially since it seems no one at WB considered it could leak.
>especially since it seems no one at WB considered it could leak
WB's marketing machine had a carefully crafted plan that relied on dripping out information and screenshots and photos and trailers on their time. They never once considered that, you know, people would have smartphones at Comic-Con.
>>43400 >They never once considered that, you know, people would have smartphones at Comic-Con. That's the thing: I'm sure they knew that people would have smartphones, but the people running the panel actually believed that asking attendees to not record the trailer they were about to show would stop a leak.
>>43414 >Skinny twig who's acting talent is questionable getting a starring role.
Its not that hard to get it.
>Supposedly trained for months, nothing to show for it.
Just overall I think she's nowhere near the best pick because one I cannot see her as an Amazon, some gal who got powers of one sure, but not straight up Wonder Woman. She's pretty but not that classical beauty that wonder woman has.
Maybe it'll look better in the movie. Though the whole "Saving Aquaman" B plot that she may have sounds kinda cumbersome.
>>43420 At the least she's got the "Mediterranean" look someone who's supposed to be from Greek mythology like Wonder Woman should have. But it's true she completely lacks the physical presence you'd expect from such a character.
You know, while Gadot not being a huge WW isn't a dealbreaker for me, I must admit that it would have been nice if she at least had bulked up more for the part. I mean, if Cavill and Affleck did it, it is not unreasonable to expect her to do the same.
>>43424 She's not primarily an actress she's a fashion model. And those gigs require them to be twiggy (because honestly fashion designs are shit at designing clothes for a woman with an actual figure)
Only time Barbie proportions have been right. Yea its a silly joke but Wonder Woman is supposed to be the pride of the Amazon people a Demigod possibly in the movie being Super Model Thin wonder woman is going to get attention. Also of the Trinity she's the shortest at '5 "10 and Both Cavill and Affleck are over six foot. It'll be interesting
I'll stick to my theory that whoever is in charge of casting for BvS, that was having stomach cramps or something, and he yelled "just send a check to that gir>>43435 l from Fast & Furious 6" to an intern, and the intern simply fucked up. Hilarious shaneningans, I am telling you.
>The reaction to the Suicide Squad footage was mostly positive; this was a great thing for Warner Bros. until they had to stomp in and make sure we knew they didn't approve of the way we were excited about their product and everyone needs to cut it out at once or they'll turn this movie right around and drive home. This was an amazing PR win for a film that was seen with much skepticism, if only Warner would have embraced it.
Dat leap into the ring from Raw. I hope to God that Amell gets to do some fun shit at SummerSlam. (I'm also hoping he can talk the CW/Warner Bros. into letting him wear either the actual Arrow costume or a reasonable facsimile.)
Also: considering Cody Rhodes is a comic book fan and Amell is a lifelong WWE fan, how much do you think they’re geeking out over getting to work with each other?
>The project evokes NBC’s signature comedy series The Office, but with superheroes. Based on characters from DC Comics, Powerless is a workplace comedy set at one of the worst insurance companies in America — with the twist being that it also takes place in the universe of DC Comics. The show is about the reality of working life for a normal, powerless person in a world of superheroes and villains.
>>43708 Wasn't there a DC Comic ABOUT an insurance type company who's whole deal was fixing that stuff? Like, is it going to be based off of that or did someone coincidentally have an admittedly not too hard to think of idea?
>>43816 Supergirl is cute, "James" having a long relationship with Supes helps level the whole "Super Alpha" nonsense. She seems to have a good roster of Enemies to go up against. Though in the end I still feel we'll see this show going to CW, CBS just doesn't have the base to support this kinda show.
>>43825 I kinda hope it doesn't. Its not an espionage thriller like Black Widow would be since its what most people draw the comparison to. Its supergirl! She's girly as heck, even her suit's basically a cheerleader outfit with the super colors.
No. Please, God, no. I want some fucking camp in my superhero shows unless it's a show about a character that isn’t meant to be even remotely campy (e.g. Punisher). Now if there’s ’60s Batman levels of camp, yes, tone it down—but don’t drop it all out entirely.
While a Supergirl show should be "girly" (I mean, it's in the name), it should not be 2/3 of the content. Again, it is in the name, she should be Super first, and then a girl. I certainly did not watch Smallville back in the day for the teenager school drama.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/supergirl-red-tornado-iddo-goldberg-t-o-morrow-1201583347/ Red Tornado? That's one step towards getting a proper adaptation of Young Justice that wasn't in name only (Weisman's) or turned into something else (Teen Titans).
So wait. Ray actually died? That explosion that happened during the "uplifting" ending of Season 3? Right before we watched Oliver and Flicity drive off into the sunset with smiles on their faces? That killed him? That's... unbelievably crappy. Why did they kill Ray? Ray was a good guy, he didn't deserve to die, especially in an accident. At least Sara's death drove the plot for half of Season 3.
I want to see DC get into the game and be strong, but I really feel they are going too far in what Snyder thinks is the right direction and missing one of the big points that he already had kicked nearly to death and left on the side of the road in Man of Steel.
Staring up at DC heroes from the foot of Mt.Olympus
Might be why Marvel is working so well right now. Not because they are flavor of the week popcorn munching flicks (but that doesn't hurt) but because they are relatable. Sure they are heroes but they are also shown to be human, for the most part.
The stuff Cap did in Avengers rallying the cops to help is something Superman would also do if needed. It wouldn't even think about it since its just in his nature.
So Amell has been chased off Social Media because he wanted to note "Hey not all Texans are racist assholes". But you should know better than to disagree with the SJW mass when they are on a tirade. Damn shame as Arrow was starting back soon and I liked his charity stuff.
>>43959 >So Amell has been chased off Social Media oh no >because he wanted to note "Hey not all Texans are racist assholes". i suppose that's true, but its not like that adds to the dialo-- >you should know better than to disagree with the SJW mass ...
And its at that point when you realize there's probably more to it than the gross oversimplification at play here.
DAT FLASH FINALE DAT REVERSE FLASH DAT EVERYTHING NOOOOOOO EDDIE :c Holy shit, is was amazing! And I really enjoyed Reverse Flash's downfall. Now I'm ready for season two. And you're next on the list, Starlight Glimmer.
>>44019 Agreed. The comic itself was very episodic, with each of the characters getting their own dedicated issue. Jamming them all in the same movie might have worked if the movie hadn't been so literal with the source material, but adapting the comic to movie pacing would have strayed much too far from the source material for fans' tastes.
They really should have taken it slow. By the time they would have gotten to Justice League with a good world build then MCU would be in a lul after Infinity War and doing just smaller scale films while Star Wars would take the main load of Disney attention for a while.
But setting this one up to be a Billion Dollar success and then looking for JL to break the 2B number. Too much too fast and using Batman as a crutch which overall just makes me kinda sad.
So his dad is possible Golden Age Lex. Also Kord and Wayne name drops. But the Kord stuff was already in the mix back in the television stuff IIRC either Central or Star city skyline showing a Kord building.
What ultimately destroys the Hawks in the end, usually, is overly committing to making the Thanagarian ones also the reincarnatey ones. Also, a tendency to write Hawkman as a reactionary conservative dickbag.
Yeah, that new BvS trailer isn’t inspiring any hope that the movie’s going to be good. They give away everything about the plot and show off the “third act villain” of the film just so people will know what the movie’s going to show off in terms of the “DC Cinematic Universe”. And even if they hadn’t spoiled everything, the film still comes off as garbage, though maybe that’s the fault of a shitty trailer.
Man of Steel was a disappointment, but at least I was interested in it beforehand. I don’t even want to know how BvS turns out.
I think the point of that reveal was to send a message: “Yeah, you’re gonna get an Act Three Brawl between Doomsday and the DC Trinity—plus the first movie with the DC Trinity in it—so buy your tickets now.” And let’s be fair, a lot of tickets are gonna be sold for this movie in the opening weekend regardless of the film’s quality, so prepping people for the idea of Doomsday vs. The Trinity was, from a marketing standpoint, a shrewd maneuver.
>>44322 Though it leaves nothing on the plate for Superman later. Though going by the schedule and his films being removed from the table. Supes may not have the chance to tackle any more of his heavy hitters.
Pretty much, yeah. I mean, unless you wanted to see Lex Luthor in a stupid fucking armored suit like Batman wears in this movie, which, hey, sorry the movie disappointed you already.
We all knew the movie was going to end with Bats and Supes putting whatever differences they have aside and working together against a common foe—how else would Justice League even be a thing otherwise?—and Darkseid was never going to be the “final boss” of this particular film, so Doomsday was the only logical villain for the Third Act Brawl. That he’ll canonically be a Zod-bie is a good way of giving him a proper DCCU origin that doesn't waste any other villain (including Luthor) on what will likely be Doomsday’s only appearance in the DCCU.
On the other hand, the tone is different from the MCU (“grimdark” vs “down-to-earth with a bit of camp and snark”), so people who want that from superhero movies will have the DCCU. Doesn’t mean the DCCU will be better or worse than the MCU, just different. (Though if Batman v Superman: Actual Film Title is as “controversial” in terms of quality as its DCCU predecessor…)
>>44328 That's how I felt. At first it seemed there might be some intrigue and conflict between characters, but by the end of the trailer you have "watch Batman™ and Superman™ team up with Wonder Woman™ to defeat the evil Doomsday™."
That whole bit seems rather strange. Batman wrecks his car and then threatens Superman and Supes just looks on confused. Also I cannot tell if its just my headphones but it sounds like they are altering Batman voice. I think I remember reading that this Batman uses a voice changer. Just asking if anyone else hears it.
>>44769 People are defending "well he's only that way in public, you'll see him in private and he'll totally be a crafty mastermind." But we've seen him in private "Red Capes are Coming." and its the exact same shtick. Hell even in his lab he's wearing some translucent lab coat it looks like he stole from the Willy Wonka set.
I really wonder who thought some of these choices were a good idea.
Lex doesn't feel any bit sinister like he can become an actual threat to Batman or Superman. Likely because he won't be around after this film since we'll then be graduating to Darkseid. Still though it feels like they devalued the threat level of Lex a whole lot in this film. Which I guess makes sense because that is supposed to be Batman for most the film and then a "GOTCHA" from the Zodaroomsday or whatever he turns into until his "final form" of Doomsday.
Actually makes it seem a little less impressive than before. Superman ripping into the crashed Batmobile making a threat which while based on Batman being a lawless vigilante and Supes approving doesn't look as good as Batman just making threats and Superman flying off.
>>44843 Yeah I don't expect it to be terrible but neither the story or the characters seem like they're going to be very interesting. At least with the X-Men and Marvel films previous entries have given me a basis to care about what happens to them. Man of Steel was just... meh.
The Elseworlds I've read always have Superman as a moral anchor even in the worst case scenarios. Dark Knight Returns portrayed him as noble if entirely misguided, and hell, even a bullshit tryhard story like At Earth's End has Superman as the only somewhat good person around.
>>44856 Which works for a one off or a universe that challenges the main one. Its like a Justice Lords Offshoot. Superman is a bit less caring in fault to his paranoid foster father keeping his distance. Batman has some form of PTSD from Jason's death (who for some reason was still wearing the scale briefs with an armored up torso) and is quite unhinged more than usual. Wondering how they'll thematically darken the rest of the crew when they show up.
So Gotham still being a mess outside of a penguin tale? Renee shown back up or has she just been dismissed since Barbara went all psycho. Just wondering if I should bother watching it on Netflix when season 2 goes up,
>>44934 LOBO! FUCK YEAR! MACHETE as Lobo sounds perfect, but I'm kinda doubtful that Lobo can properly done in the modern DC movie-verse. I'm just glad to see the raunchy bastard again. But then again Suicide Squad looks fun, so hopefully my fears are unfounded and the DC movei-verse can know when to 'lighten up'.
>What kind of absurd world do we live in where it’s the villains that look like they’re having all the fun, and the superheroes just have to solemnly glower slightly off-screen, trapped in their dark, colorless dystopia? The bizarre world of DC movie marketing apparently, where our heroes are far too busy looking glum all the time to stand up to the comics they represent.
So Tumblr is going on about how Jared Leto raped a bunch of children in real life and that the media's been hiding it and are claiming it's not a joke, and I can't tell if this is all part of the meme going an extra level or what anymore.
From what I recall, those allegations were done by groupies in a gossip blog that doesn't exist anymore, and the worst account was one girl who said that she "felt raped" because Leto was very rough. Some would say this is another Cosby affair, but IMO anonymous internet posting is several levels below in credibility than those women that actually stepped in the spotlight to accuse Bill Cosby.
>>44992 Not children, according to the rumors it was teenage groupies. Big difference there, and Tumblr is probably just wording it that way to spin it in the worst light possible. Not that it would ever mean it was OK if any of it was true, since they're still underaged. But there's a wide gulf between shitty creep who's willing to take advantage of his groupies and treats them like garbage, and guy who would be the star of a Chris Hansen special if The Man wasn't covering up for him, like Tumblr's trying to make him out to be.
>>44992 All I've seen on Tumblr about Jared Leto is that he's a hot topic scene kid who thinks he's edgy because he changed the wallpaper on someone's phone and is convinced they're going to "lock him away" because he played a cartoon character in a PG-13 movie.
I wanna like this movie, and the trailers make it seem like it'll be a lot more fun than BvS at least. But it seems like they're going too hard with the edge to the point that it seems comical, and not even in a self-aware way.
So 5,000 year old Amazon Immortal. Think there will be others or will she be the only Amazon in this film universe.
Still the whole "where was she when earth was being devoured by machines from space, in retirement." Seems kinda lame. Just have her fighting a Kraken or something in the Bermuda Triangle which sounds more awesome than just "she'd retired"
>>45033 Even if she stopped caring for humanity, the whole retirement excuse doesn't make any sense. Zod and his cronies weren't just annihilating us, they were killing the entirety of earth's biosphere to remake Krypton, so her inaction would mean she didn't give a hoot about the planet. You know, the one planet where she is living.
You know, thinking about it, Bruce should also be pretty pissed off at Diana, not just at Clark. If she had appeared at least during Clark's fight with Zod, a LOT less people would have died. I seriously hope that if the point shows up in the movie (which I doubt, ten bucks says it will be swept under the rug), the explanation will be better than "LOL sry, k? I jus dint care".
If I was Snyder, I'd show that Diana did get to Metropolis, but seeing that Clark was doing fine, instead of fighting she focused on saving civilians.
>>45035 It also makes Wonder Woman a known entity at least a hundred years ago if not for hundreds upon thousands of years. Wonder if Lois ever tried to find her.
If she worked under the guise of a EMT or Police to rescue people yea that would work. Hell that could even be her job in retirement. She doesn't directly fight the big ones anymore but she does help or arrest the small ones.
>>45038 Long night at whatever she works as a retirement job this century. Sees the reports afternoon news. Picks up her phone and taps in a new reminder "Pick up new Alarm Clock w/Radio" Walks off the the bathroom grumbling "Why can't they ever start these invasions in the afternoon."
Makes me sad as it would have also been easy to write in.
Diana making her way into the world after she finds some sod locked up on the island from another shipwreck. Her mother put them there after his ravings of monsters from other planets eating the earth.
Diana making her way to the mainland to find this "Superman" who fought said monsters.
Which is what concerns me going into this. Snyder is missing a few things as a director to really pull it all together.
I mean I want this to be at least moderately successful and not end up a joke like Rises did. Because I don't think DC could survive Warner Bros burning down the house again like they did with Green Lantern and after Man of Steel with all of Superman films being shelved.
>>45087 Was Rises really considered that much of a joke? Most of the mockery is from forced memes and the like, it seems to be considered weaker than the previous two but still a solid movie on its own.
>>45088 Dark Knight Rises was a decent movie. But when its immediate predecessor is one of the best superhero/comic book films ever made, “decent” looks like a drastic downturn in quality.
>>45087 WB has too much invested in the DCCU to cancel everything outright. But I’d wager that even though it’d cut back its plans if BvS bombs (BvS won’t bomb once the international box office take rolls in), WB will likely go ahead with the DCCU regardless.
>>45088 It may not have been but that is how Warner Bros took it even putting out releases talking about shelving Batman for a while to try something new, which is why Man of Steel was planned to be the start of Superman movies. But when that floundered due to mainly it feeling very un Superman according to many critics and Reviews they flipped back to pushing their "sure thing" in Batman.
Keep in mind I'm not saying it all bombed they just want to be bringing in the Marvel Bucks and attention but keep missing the mark.
>>45091 If WB wants the DCCU to have any chance at getting those Marvel Studios bucks they have to develop a strong foundation on their own terms instead of variously ripping them off/trying to be their antithesis in all the wrong ways. They're trying to be too ambitious too soon and it's only going to hurt them.
>>45141 You know, Goyer wrote a MOS prequel comic dealing with Krypton's early attempts at space colonization, which due plot reasons ended with Kara (yes, that Kara) crash landing on earth and being the sole survivor like, 100 thousand years ago.
My very first thought after reading that comic was "holy shit, please please please let not this be the origin of the Amazons in the movieverse".
That is what I keep thinking looking at the sword I know most of that is supposed to be Greek but those symbols at the bottom. Watch the "Gods" just be Krypton Colonists and those like Diana are just half breeds.
>set a schedule for an entire cinematic universe with shitloads of films announced for the next few years >get pissed off at one of the first movies to set up that universe…spending a lot of time setting up that universe
…I’m not sure whether to laugh or feel bad about how we’ll never get another great live-action Superman movie.
>>45193 Oh geez. Meanwhile the screenings for Civil War are as positive as The Winter Soldier's was, and they're confident enough in it that the actors themselves are openly willing to vouch for it, in contrast to Miles Teller's reaction to Fant4stic.
>>45193 >Justice League is going to get moved back Yes, that should've been obvious from the getgo. >and that Ben Affleck Batman movie, that's what's going to end up in that spot No. No. NOOOOO. You fucking idiots. Take lessons from Deadpool. Focus on doing interesting stuff for fuck's sake. Not leaning on Batman for the umpteenth time and crashing and burning with your obsession with trying to one-up Marvel.
>>45207 Fact that outside of convention and press confrences that RDJ Evans and others enjoy the heck out of their roles. Contrast the only people that seem to light up outside of the television DC shows is Cavill and he doesn't seem to get as much a chance to really get into it.
Exactly without Snyder and his terrible camera filters he looks the spitting image of Supes and he's getting to show Clark has that fire as well. But again its going to be sidelined since this is a Batman film.
>>45238 I think more superhero movies could afford to be longer in general, but that length would only hurt a movie like this where it seems like their only selling point is the big name heroes facing off against each other. In the case that it sucks (and it probably will) I hope the length doesn't get seen as a reason why it did well and cause other studios to drastically shorten their other movies, when it's clear its failure would have more to do with overall lack of quality than the length.
>>45251 That doesn't mean it still can't be "what if God lived on Earth." The fact that he's overpowered means no tense situations and he's usually kept as a boy scout. That's fine if you're doing a cartoon like the DCAU or playing it up as a comedy like in Batman: BatB, but if I ever wanted to take Supes seriously like I sometimes do Batman, that element is needed.
I hated MoS but I like the aspect of Superman's story that's about him learning to live among humans with his enormous power, and how he can be more than just a superhero that saves the world from evil ever so often.
What's worse: they may have just sabotaged the box office for BvS by announcing the “real” version of the film for BD months ahead of the actual BD release. If there is anyone actually interested in seeing that R-rated BvS, why would they settle for going to see the PG-13 version?
>>45264 Not to come to this movie's defense, because I'm sure it'll be awful, but it's entirely possible their thinking was more along the lines of > I know! Deadpool's success despite its R rating means we can probably keep the material we had to cut to get our PG-13 rating without sacrificing our chance of success!"
>>45274 Ideally with retro throwbacks being a big thing right now, I'd like a Cadmus storyline that eventually leads down to a 90s Kon-El solo film, but we can't have *fun* in the DC filmverse now can we?
>>45277 Seeing how poorly the Young Justice show handled all of that utterly sidelining the "Peter Pan" era of Conner going straight into the Brooding "I can't handle that Lex Luthor is one of my daddies" nonsense.
I don't have much hope no matter how much I'd love to see that Conner in the game learning the ropes with other young heroes. Not being some Black Ops "Off the Books" Justice League
>>45278 The Young Justice cast was more based on the Teen TItans era so it doesn't surprise me that they'd skip it, and the first Teen Titans cartoon was originally going to be a straight adaptation of the old Young Justice comic. Really I just want my Kon, Bart, and Tim being adorable besties and Cassie actually being cool for once.
>Those rival distributors who lowered their Batman v. Superman opening forecasts toward $100M have their suspicions about the Zack Snyder-helmed movie given the MPAA’s news that the home entertainment version of the movie would carry an R-rating. However, according to social media monitor RelishMix, since the R-rated news broke, the conversation for #BatmanvSuperman spiked 60% with 5K combined hashtags across Twitter and Instagram. Ninety-five percent of the chatter is positive about that R-rating.