The show is taking a month long pause, when it returns Barry will have a new costume that will be a godsend IRL and will allow them to produce full costume Flash scenes with a third of the time, down to 2 hours from the original costume to half an hour and now just 15 minutes to put on.
For those alarmed at the Grodd scene thinking they were showing him too much and therefore looking a little CGI goofy it was mainly so the audience would have a clear understanding of his size as they have said before "we'll only ever see Grodd underground and/or at night" though apparently they haven't rule out and animatronic gorilla head for his dialogue scenes.
>>41993 I understand that it is missing a lot of the grittiness of Hellblazer, and NBC is limited by the FCC nonsense, but I've greatly enjoyed Constantine. Perhaps part of the reason I do is that I wasn't familiar at all with Constantine except for the name and basic setup prior to seeing this show. (Well, I saw the Keanu Reeves movie, but I understand that also takes a lot of liberties from the source.)
>>42044 I really hope the Supergirl outfit isn't trash.
Also Ray Palmer was apparently supposed to be Ted Kord on Arrow but Synder said he wanted him and fucked everything up at the last minute, if they had gotten Kord they were thinking about putting in Booster as a fame seeking guy with no time travel stuff.
>>42087 The thing that costume says to me is "Much smaller budget than Flash & Arrow" though like Flash and Arrow they'll probably tweak it.
Things that would help:
Brighter colors less evocative of Superman returns and Man of Steel. In trying to streamline and distinguish the symbol they accomplished neither and the result is bland, gold on a red background would have gone better with her hair. Shortening her boots, the terrible Nu52 design uses the same boot height but has holes in the knees to prevent unflattering "wrinkly knees." Shortening the sleeves to just below the elbow which serves the same purpose as the open neck and flatters females curves better (Super Best Friends Forever skits pointed this out and they're super right.) Lastly a more "plastic" belt would again help make it less Halloween and more dynamic.
So basically Live Action Super Best Friends forever with the Calvin Ellis' "S" design, obviously the proportions don't need to apply.
THAT SAID, This is awesome considering how bad it coulda been, plus 90% of this show will be at night, it helps make SFX look less shit so at least they know what they're designing for.
(I hope she has shorts under that skirt because she's gonna be doing SO MUCH WIRE WORK.)
>James is a smart, worldly and attractive photographer who has recently transferred from the Daily Planet in Metropolis to CatCo in National City for mysterious reasons. Jimmy is popularly known as "Superman's Pal" and, though an alpha male, his salt-of-the-earth nature elicits a huge crush from Kara.
I'm more confused about what the deal is going to be with Hank Henshaw, considering he's named after the Cyborg, who's supposed to end up looking like a robot copy of Superman. Unless it's another case of in-name only.
WB told CW to axe their Deadshot since they've got plans for him in their suicide squad movie. Because we know Smith will be fantastic in that and we don't need others confusing people. Lucas Logic *cringe* Because Will Smith is such an acting powerhouse when playing it cool and reserved.
>>42190 Right, as if the current Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl aren't going to confuse enough people as it is? I honestly don't understand. I like how Marvel treats the MCU and each of the various cartoon series as other worlds with different numbers to designate which ones belong in separate continuities. Maybe DC should take a page out of that?
A friend just helped me realize HOW FUCKING TERRIBLE the DC movieverse will be, they are based on the success of a series of films not included in the franchise and whose break out movie received a lukewarm reception.
>>42263 I think the biggest thing hampering Man of Steel was the staff. Snyder is a good cinematographer but a mediocre director and Goyer is just awful, so Batman v Superman's already off to a decent start by replacing Goyer.
DC doesn't need to achieve the success of the MCU and in all honesty they really shouldn't bother trying since most of that pie's already long eaten. As long DC keeps its expections reasonable and the films are just competent enough to gain a niche and hold on, they'll be in a stable position once Marvel's luster wears off, assuming that's not the result of a global loss of interest in hero movies.
>Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are working behind the scenes to develop a story for Warner Bros.’ big-screen version of the DC Comic-based superhero The Flash. They are currently working on a treatment for the studio about the superhero, whose super speed allows him to seemingly break the speed of light and time travel. The character, whose origins began in 1940, have been part of the Justice League at DC Comics and has been given small-screen and feature treatments before, but with Lord and Miller on the case, The Flash will take on a totally different dimension.
>Whether they decide to direct is still up in the air. They have not, as yet, chosen their next project. Together they have directed some of the most successful movies at the box office, including Warner Bros.’ animated monster The Lego Movie which was as much as a creative hit as it was at the box office. That one grossed $468.7M worldwide and spawned a spinoff and sequel, which Lord and Miller are both involved with. Specifically, The Lego Batman Movie and The Lego sequel.
>>42334 Just because everything is super unsaturated looking doesn't mean they'll necessarily actually go the grimdark Nolan route. I'm going to wait and see before I judge, although I'll admit that Daredevil's already won in the cinematography department.
>>42362 Yea they really need a TV presence that AoS has run from largely. Though they've got plenty of stand ins they could use for some street level stuff. Heck they've even got their own Batman they could do something with if they cared about Moony.
>>42406 So dark and defeated before the move even starts. Really what is the point if everyone is scared and fears Superman, and so does Batman.
Superman Animated Series did it without being so gloomy.
I can think of something better. Both of them are talking it out with Bruce having none of it and they get attacked either by Military or Lex backed by the government to handle "The Alien and The Vigilante." One of them gets TKO'd and they are taken from the battle by the other away for recovery.
Thinking either Bruce getting taken back to the Kent farm and waking up in Clark's old room with Clark asleep in a chair across from him.
Or Clark waking up on Wayne Manor just as Alfred finishes up some cleaning of his bandages and then makes his way down to the dining room to meet with Bruce.
>>42421 Concerns about the usage of a lot of Dark Knight. A lot of that was about the collapse of their friendship and Clark being a puppet of the government and the nasty crap they were doing to other heroes. So I'm having a hard time seeing the light at the end of this tunnel that leads to the JL.
>>42423 You forget the popularity of sites like Yourfaceisproblematic. Although thankfully that one became so much of a laughingstock among sane people that even the more... enthusiastic social justice bloggers eventually caved and admitted to themselves that it's a landfill of cherrypicking and quote mining.
>>42438 Well its based of a suit that is as much for battling Supes as keeping all of Bruce's insides on the inside. Its a really accurate version from DKR which seems kinda out a place with everything else.
>In a recent interview, The Avengers: Age of Ultron director confirmed that he saw the Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice trailer last week. Expressing his giddy excitement, Whedon said that he can’t wait to see DC’s biggest icons clash on the big screen for the first-time ever.
>“I found [the trailer for ‘Batman v Superman’] interesting,” Whedon told Yahoo Movies, “Because they’re bringing up a lot of issues that we bring up in ‘Age of Ultron’ and I think it’s inevitable. People with power, who are good, do not always agree and it makes perfect sense for me that [Batman and Superman] would fight,” Whedon told Yahoo Movies. ”And besides… Batman and Superman are gonna fight! I’m so excited! I’m so excited!”
At least Tiki's reasons for it sound like he's upset because he's seeing something he genuinely loves or wants to love go to shit even if it's over stupid or petty reasons. Whereas Jumpman is obsessive or just tsundere about hating certain things to the point that he combs for reasons to shittalk them and can only enjoy other things with respect to their ability to make that first thing look bad in comparison.
>>42546 I'm not saying Man of Steel couldn't have benefited from a brighter palette (it wouldn't have been enough to salvage the movie anyway), but intentionally darkening the footage to make the edit look better reeks of dishonesty.
>>42552 Mostly looks like Rayon with a dye job so far. I'll wait and see but it's already looking better than Luthorberg so far. It looks kind of comical, but I think that contrast with the grimdarkness the other DC characters seem to be going for actually will work pretty well in his favor.
>>42552 It's the "damaged" head tattoo that is JUST a little too much, drop that one and it's a pretty solid re-envisioning of Joker as a prisoner, the disposable neoprene glove in particular a nice touch.
>I think it's silly to demand purple suit Joker when we had that version for [three] films.
I don’t think anyone was demanding he look exactly like Ledger, Nicholson, or even Romero. But this reeks of some out-of-touch film exec’s idea of what ‘edgy’ looks like. The tattoo on Leto!Joker’s forehead makes me think this design was an idea on the level of ‘Spider-Man should be a humble-bragging EDM-loving dudebro’ that ultimately didn’t get rejected somewhere down the line.
>>42567 >I think it's silly to demand purple suit Joker That's not what I'm seeing here or anywhere people have been criticizing it on. Most of the complaints revolve around the tattoos or looking too edgy.
//youtube.com/watch?v=LPJ8b7zwa98 Wow, people are really upset about those tattoos. I agree they look pretty awful but I was expecting Joker to have them covered up for most of the movie so it's not something that bothered me. I'm really hoping they do something about it in the final version, because Suicide Squad is the only DC movie I'm still looking forward to at this point and goddamnit I don't want the hype to die for that too.
Though I'm still kinda worried, Will Smith and dramatic acting aren't the best combination. Playing a really serious hitman vs others that are supposed to be crazy. He seems to be weakest when he's playing a straight man.
Not really gonna believe that until I hear it from an official source -- or at least a source with a shitload more credibility (e.g. Variety, Latino Review).
I’d like to hope this was just a huge focus group thing that WB thinly-veiled as a “celebration of The Joker” so WB can see how fucking stupid that look would really be…but I don’t trust to hope when it comes to Hollywood.
>>42596 http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/27846/article/silent-hills-not-going-to-happen-confirms-guillermo-del-toro-pt-already-getting-delisted/ Haven't seen anything to verify it but sounds pretty legit.
>>42616 Unsure but you may be right. This could be WB now actually paying attention to the fact they own DC, doesn't look like a good thing. But this does sound he the scummy moves they've been doing to creators for a while now.
>Warner Bros has learned the wrong lesson from Marvel's success - they're chasing a shared universe, but they don't have a Kevin Feige overseeing it all. That is vital; Marvel Studios is producer-driven, and it allows the films to work together and for the entire system to move like a machine. Speaking to THR a WB insider called the DC Movieverse plan 'filmmaker-driven,' which is clearly a dig at what many see as a samey quality to the Marvel films. That's a nice concept, but the reality is that the filmmakers all need a centralized person (or persons) to lean on when the universe is shared.
>Look at Star Wars - that's shaping up to be a 'filmmaker-driven' shared universe, but everybody answers to the Lucasfilm Story Group, who coordinate everything and make sure all the films fit together and work towards a common goal. This is what WB is missing.
>>42621 Ugh, even if there wasn't this problem Zack Snyder has a very mixed record as a director and Man of Steel showed he's not ready to lead the DCCU. And I shouldn't need to explain why Geoff Johns is not qualified to be their head either. These guys are sabotaging their own brand when they should've just played the tortoise vs the hare and waited for the Marvel luster to fade a little before ramping up.
>>42622 Yea they should have waited a few more years before going into this stuff with Batman and Superman. I mean its not that far off that Marvel would be winding down back to single hero pictures for a while while Star Wars picked up steam.
Course I also feel Rises would have been a much better introduction movie for a new Batman and then start them off on their own with Superman still having solo films for at least another two films.
Its interesting how much Coulson and Fury are good symbols for how the Marvel films work together. I think they need something like that, though that might be too much "fun".
DCTV is building strength and fun that I think they could use.
Could be, problem is DC Cinematic is so damned phobic about putting in "silly comic" stuff that they end up making things much stupider than if they'd just gone with that in the first place. "CGI suit will look much cooler than some silly spandex version."
>>42627 It's really too bad. As everyone's saying the DC reps are taking entirely the wrong message from that movie's failure. Green Lantern didn't do bad because it was too lighthearted, it did bad because it was just plain bad (hopefully Deadpool will be good proof of that). Likewise TDK isn't good because of its srsbzns, that's just a side effect of Nolan's style. Unfortunately Snyder and all the other non-Nolan people don't seem to understand that, hence the total mess Man of Steel ended up being. As a Marvel/DC idort it really sucks seeing them flounder like this.
So are they going after the Joker? Some kinda Expendables thing going on. Hopefully Harley is signing on because she's tired of his bullshit and its not a incoming Heelturn that gets a few of them killed. I like Redeemed Harley. One of the best things is when she's like that.
Is it just me, or is /co/ being weirdly defensive of all these absolutely terrible DC design decisions? Is it /co/ just being contrarian? Or is there a surplus of individuals visiting /co/ who actually like this aesthetic compared to the general population?
>>42796 People might actually have different opinions you know. And I think some of the negativity about the designs, while justified, is a little pessimistic. Although at this point it's really hard to say with a straight face that DC is truly handling the subject matter better than Marvel, unless you're that blind of a brand loyalty.
>Yet as with so many shows lately, the network ax isn't necessarily the end of the line. We hear Warner Bros. is shopping the DC Comics-based series to other potential outlets and is hopeful about finding the show a new home.
>>42818 And honestly, what the fuck else does NBC have? Right now Constantine is trending on Twitter. That's more recognition from the public than NBC usually gets.
In fairness, I assume the show's budget played a part in the cancellation. From what I hear, Hannibal is cheap (or, cheaper than expected) to produce. So it's able to get a third season, despite terrible ratings.
>>42860 Some of it was kind of cringeworthy so I'm hoping they're just playing up the camp and will tone it down in for the actual show. I like the idea of giving Kara a sister, but I'm really not digging what they've done with Jimmy's character (and I'm not referring to the part about him being black).
>>42860 I liked this, except for a) the over exposition thing that honestly kinda also exists in Flash (and I assume Arrow) which will hopefully even out forwards from the pilot.
and b) Jimmy Olsen not acting at all like Jimmy Olsen, and not even letting people CALL HIM Jimmy Olsen. There's no reason for him to be Jimmy Olsen if they aren't going to write him as Jimmy Olsen. This isn't like some of the character shifts from Flash or Arrow (like say, Felicity being a young love interest, or Vibe not sucking) it's a super well defined character having all of their main personality traits eliminated.
>>42864 They did that with Man of Steel too didn't they? What did poor Jimmy do to get flushed from DC like this? Was it because that Jimmy was too strong a connection to the Blue Boy Scout they also have a problem with?
I don't hate James Olsen. Its a take on a character, not a performance based on a pre-existing one. Hell, there's little I dislike about this. Maybe the trailer showed a little too much, but the overall tone actually feels like a modern day version of the Dick Donner film, oddly enough.
It's Jimmy Olsen post Superman, becoming an award winning ultra cool guy after being inspired by Superman is how Jimmy develops because he's awesome, it's mainly just dissonance with his actor and unfamiliarity with stage of the character that rarely gets focused on.
I really like the cringe worthy gossipgirls style, AND I AM SO ON BOARD WITH CAT GRANT AS A CENTRAL CHARACTER.
>>42875 If that is what comes up this that will be cool. "He inspired me to take risks and become the man I wanted to be." Meaning I really hope it is and they didn't just Max Stat him because they wanted someone for Kara to swoon over.
>>42890 For all of Man of Steel's faults, it's a better first step for the DCCU than Green Lantern would have been. Speaking of both movies, did people talk about the casualties in Green Lantern as much as they did about the destruction in Man of Steel? It looks like Parallax had devoured half of Coast City by the time Hal finally showed up.
http://www.newsarama.com/24503-second-supergirl-trailer-shows-more-powers-raises-new-dctv-verse-questions.html This second trailer tones down the chick flick-y vibes, but on the other hand it seems to have dialed up Kara's Shinji Ikari-ness in response.
>>42928 It's probably just the lighting but I am not liking the shade of green used for his hair. Seems kind of funny how after nothing but desaturated pic after desaturated pic we get COLOR! in the form of acid green.
I'm satisfied enough with the TV series to not give a damn about what they do with the Flash movie, but it sounds like they need more time to figure out exactly what they want to do with the character.
>>42941 Damnit, that's the stupidest thing. What is with DC's Barry obsession? They should've made the film version based off of Wally West to draw in all the fans of him from the 90s (and everything about the current New 52 version of him is terrible including the costume).
>>42948 Not necessarily, Kyle was the Lantern for me before Justice League brought in Stewart so he also has a fair shot at the movies as Stewart, who also had a problem with being boring in the cartoons at first. Wally West also has the benefit of not being dead at the time.
>>42944 >>42947 >>42948 At the risk of making a lot of people angry and exposing myself as a total comic book casual, I have to ask: What's the difference between Barry and Wally? From the not-comic book media I've consumed, they seem pretty similar. I had honestly forgotten that there were multiple Flashes until I read this thread. It's not like Wally's secret identity came up very often in the animated series (plus I think he had the same day job as TV Barry).
>>42964 Barry Allen was the Flash from 1956-1986. His book basically started the Silver Age of superheroes, and had tons of wacky, insane, fun ideas, and created important concepts like the DC multiverse. (Barry was actually the SECOND Flash, after Jay Garrick, who DC decided existed on an alternate Earth, and superspeed allowed them to meet each other) His book was pretty basic super-hero stuff, with Barry being motivated mostly by his own ethics, and a lot of the book had a Gee-Whiz SCIENCE! kind of feel to it, with sidebars explaining scientific phenomena and the like.
By the 80s, his book was somewhat waning in popularity compared to hits like New Teen Titans and Legion of Super-Heroes, and so they decided to cancel it after a long storyline where Barry got charged with manslaughter for killing the Reverse Flash.
Wally West was originally Kid Flash, Barry Allen's sidekick, who got his powers the exact same way Barry did. Barry was dating Iris West, Wally's aunt, and Wally was a huge fan of the Flash. After Barry died in Crisis on Infinite Earths (after the cancellation of his book) Wally decided to basically 'graduate' from being Kid Flash, to being THE Flash, and much of his series was about living up to the example of Barry Allen.
Eventually, DC decided to bring Barry back from the dead (because no one ever stays dead in comics) and Wally kind of disappeared, and then history got rewritten and there's a new Wally West who is never going to live up to the original. This is why >>42965 is so pissy. Barry basically came back and invalidated twenty years of Wally-as-Flash.
He's wrong about Barry being a bad character, because if Barry really did suck, Wally would also suck for looking up to a crappy character.
DC seems intent on completely shitting all over Wally West, not only by going out of their way to erase him and his family from history but also because on top of just being plain awful the New 52 Wally West is a goddamn racist stereotype that erases any of the goodwill that could've been gotten from their rather hamfisted attempt at increasing diversity. And don't get me started on all the terrible stuff that's been going on with Bart Allen since Graduation Day.
>When Warner Bros. pulled the plug in 2008 on Justice League Mortal, which George Miller wanted to shoot in Australia, the local industry lost a production that would have employed hundreds of crew and supporting actors.
>Director Ryan Unicomb and producers Aaron Cater and Steven Caldwell believe there is a fascinating story in the aborted superhero adventure, which they aim to chronicle in a feature-length documentary.
>Announced today, the doc has the working title Miller’s Justice League Mortal. It will seek to give an unbiased account of the project’s development, preproduction and cancellation, as well as the impact on the Australian film industry.
>The producers have enlisted film writer/author Maria Lewis to help develop the doc. The plan is to interview some of the cast and crew who would have worked on the film and gain access to never-before-seen artwork and costumes.
Supergirl is really trying, waaaay too hard actually, it needs to sort out it's identity disorder, dial back Jimmy's cool, ditch that godawful Jimmy lite friend character, ditch the man of steel "you should let people die" nonsense, PUMP UP EVERYTHING TARGETED AT WOMEN, DEVIL WEAR PRADA PLUS 9000, do that and it's all good.
The villain subplot is...kinda out of place but is your main hook on keeping the male audience invested, the military stuff could be ditched but it was basically made entirely to be an extension of the villains stuff.
>>43074 How well is this series actually doing with female demographics? Because speaking anecdotally it's a little too overtly "feminine" to the point of turning me off because of just how cliche and corny everything feels. When you alienate your target audience because you go too far in trying to appeal to them it kind of defeats the point.
>>43075 I'm not a female but everything about Cat Grant in this is awesome, she was the only one who had a girl power line that wasn't cringe worthy and was in fact one of the coolest lines in the show, that being her justification and naming of Supergirl.
>>43090 Its speculation, Harley goes up to him and pull a gun. He backhands her to the ground and takes the gun. Footage from behind shows him widening his stance and his hands going in front of his pants. So speculation is he takes a piss on her. Though he could just be shoving the gun down in there.
But its a viable idea since this is going with "he's clearly an asshole" vibe with this joker with the suit, hair and flashy car.
>>43080 >because they don't give a shit SK fan here. I think there's a big difference between not giving a shit, and giving a shit about what you're doing. And you can clearly see they give a shit about them doing them.
Guys, I recently watched the old Supergirl flick for the first time.
Make no mistake, the film's terrible, dreadful, a shitty mess... but dang, Helen Slater was a perfect cast, wasn't she? The right mix of cute, sexy, innocent, and badass. Plus, the Supergirl them Goldsmith composed for the character is (IMO of course) every bit as good, catchy and iconic-sounding as Williams' Superman theme. Such wasted potential, waht a shame.