/mtv/ - Music, Television & Film

Ten bucks says the funeral is for Agent Carter or her daughter. (Longshot joking prediction: it's for Black Widow so Marvel doesn't have to deal with the "where's the Nat merch" question any more.)

Speaking of Black Widow merchandise:
http://toybox.io9.com/black-widow-absent-from-a-toy-based-on-one-of-her-coole-1703705181
This is beyond messed up. What the fuck Hasbro.

>>42850
This is likely on the similar level as to why Mattel committed to not making any Beware the Batman toys or why the whole DC Nation was nuked. Girls don't buy toys and boys don't want to buy toys of girls (my old RGB Jennine figure begs to differ but whatever) it's stupid bit there you have it.

http://www.thewrap.com/marvel-courting-ava-duvernay-to-direct-diverse-superhero-movie-exclusive/

Of course, /co/ is spazzing out about this.

>>42853

The big question is this: if they do snag her to direct either Black Panther or Captain Marvel, will things turn into another Ant-Man situation where Marvel thinks the tone of “her” film isn't “in line” with Marvel’s vision and all but forces her to quit?

Because Marvel probably doesn’t want another situation like that on their hands.

//youtube.com/watch?v=GkzszBi8W2M
I'm with Bob on this, where are all the other (cooler) girls?!

>>42855
Not a big fan of Bob, but I'm happy to see him picked up by ScrewAttack.

>>42855
Ugh, Moviebob is awful, even if some of the points he makes are good (but other people make them better without being so bad).

>>42853
I think her skill with biopics would make her good for Black Panther. It doesn't have to be a rehash of Selma, but her ability to write rounded and morally grey characters is just the right match for a great hero-king. I'm personally hoping for the film to have some Game of Thrones-lite political intrigue, and Freeman being Everett Ross would be a perfect entry point for that.

>>42858
I was thinking Wakanda should be more scifi than that. Maybe make it like Dune or something.
Also I hope they get proper Swahili tutors or maybe a linguist fluent in regional African languages to make things sound less Bulungi.

I got around to watching Daredevil finally. I really like it so far, 4 episodes in.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/12/earths-mightiest-monsters-the-character-arcs-of-avengers-age-of-ultron

Here's an interesting piece on Age of Ultron's character arcs.

>>42869
Finished it. Damn that was dark and extremely well written.

Only problem is the countless interrogation scenes. I would've appreciated less repetitive "You work for Fisk, tell me everything" scenes.

>>42893
That's the tone of Daredevil for you, it was a very nice Fisk. The thematic of his suit getting lighter was well done.

>>42891
Interesting piece, hadn't thought about some of that before.

Started watching Agents of SHIELD now. Watching the first episode, it's ok. I don't like how overly quirky the cast is, or how cheesy some of the dialogue is, but it at least has high production value.

>>42897
First half of the first season is not the greatest, but around the point where Winter Soldier starts affecting it and onward it becomes a lot better, and Season 2 is consistently solid, if not for everyone.

Yah know what I found most disappointing about Age of Ultrom.
Hulk did not have a line this time... Talking HULK IS BEST HULK!

>>42898
Agreed. AOS starts out slow, as they're doing a lot of world building to extend S.H.I.E.L.D. beyond what was previously shown in the movies in the first couple of episodes, but it does become much better.

As for the quirky characters, >>42897, those temper out about the same time as the show starts to become really good. You still have characters and quirks, just not nearly as pronounced.

Is the MCU shaping up to be as good as the DCAU?

>>42905
That's like trying to compare apples and oranges. They're just too different by nature.

>>42906
I don't think they are. I mean yeah one's based in TV animation and one's based in live action film, but they both seem to try to take the best aspects from the comics and bring them together for an idealized adaptation, rather than just doing their own thing. Plus this will end at some point, like the DCAU did.

>>42910
I'd say the DCAU is still the reigning king of adaptations, but a lot of its advantages over the MCU such as better villains, being spread less thinly (and thus more consistent characterization and writing), and emphasis on strong writing and dialogue over flashy action sequences are a product of its medium.

Its a real shame. I want to like AoS I really do. But the idea of "Not Angel" being the big bad next season. I can't even muster to watch the finale. I mean I really like Coulson. But I just think they give don't him enough to work with.

Is the MCU not friends with Netflix any more.
For Avengers 1, all the movies we missed were up as if to help us catch up.
Now there's nothing for what we've missed between that and Avengers 2.

>>42937
>Is the MCU not friends with Netflix any more.

That would be odd, considering they are makling MCU material.

>>42937
Those that aren't Disney material it's kinda hard to parse things out now.

>>42942
>The Mary Sue
>"your fave is autistic"
I get the value of autistic representation, and it would be really interesting and good for visibility if he genuinely was, but I'm tired of all this "this guy showed a tic once, therefore he must be autistic and if you disagree you're a bigot" logic that's popular on Tumblr and such. I'm willing to give it a pass here because the author is genuinely autistic, and the article on the whole is not terrible, but it's essentially the same shit that goes on when a girl character is called trans-coded just because she's interested in sports or tech instead of baking, or a boy is trans-coded because he's not afraid to wear makeup or show his emotions, as if gender roles are that baked in and having a problem with stereotyping makes you transphobic. I get they mean well, but all this particular approach tends to achieve is reinforce that sense of absolutism more than anything else.

Also, the point that they make about Bolivar Trask is something that Peter Dinklage himself is pretty vehemently against as harmful. And a lot of other people with autism would object to being called "disabled", though that's a more semantic issue I don't feel like delving into. At least they're right about Loki being overrated schlock.

>>42943
I did recognise a lot of autistic traits in Fisk, which doesn't of course mean he's autistic (I'm something of an aspie myself so this may just be confirmation bias talking), but the sheer specificity of the traits D’Onofrio presented suggested a creative team who knew what autism was and tailored Fisk's depiction with the disorder in mind. The problem with this interpretation is that the show doesn't present these traits as positives, they go to the core of what made Fisk such a monstrous villain: his psychological need to reorder the world into neat, sanitised little boxes so it can no longer make him feel bad. Goodness knows I'm prey to such thoughts every now and then (although I'm neither criminal genius nor a ten-ton mammoth who can kill a man with his bare hands, so I think the world is safe from me), but how much of Fisk's character can be put down to "autism" and how much can be put down to "being an emotionally stunted man-child with a god complex"?

Not to criticise D’Onofrio's portrayal at all, his Fisk is one of the highlights of an already outstanding series. It reminded me of Forest Whitaker's portrayal of Idi Amin in The Last King of Scotland, the way they depicted the infantilising influence of absolute power, both socially and in its rawest physical form.

I am becoming increasingly apprehensive about how Jessica Jones is going to end up being received when it comes out.

Assuming that they don't temper the Purple Man's skeeviness, and why would they it's basically what Alias was about, I feel like it's going to get a lot of internet backlash. Like, Game of Thrones grade. Especially since it's David Tennant.

Might as well link this thing I just typed up here >>42982

But I've already seen that kind of vitriol aimed towards it, as if by portraying her as having been through a lot of abuse Marvel is trying to make a general statement against all women, as opposed to "sometimes violence against women is milked a little too eagerly but at the same time sometimes shit just happens" and the fact that refusing to deal with such topics ever is just as bad.

>>42980
What did David Tennant do?

>>42985
He's going to play the rapiest character this side of Rapey the Clown.

There are only a two instances where rape in Game Of Thrones was a problem, both times were off book and didn't...do anything, they just threw rape in because the showrunners on those episodes were being weird creeps.

Rape when it has a narrative significance has never once been a problem.

>>42987
Not really. I've seen quite a few people on Tumblr give flak towards Martin himself for choosing to depict Westeros as having misogyny in the first place rather than portray it as an egalitarian society, because they literally think the fact that Martin included it means he approves of it on some level, or because it will brainwash readers into acting like this in real life. The same way listening to metal turned a whole generation into Satanists.

And since this is a Marvel thread, I've also seen innumerable slams at Whedon for being a bigot because he included explicit depictions of misogyny, homophobia, or rape in his shows like Buffy or Dollhouse, and made Loki call Black Widow a "quim" in the Avengers, even though in context it's painfully clear to anyone with half a brain that the reason Whedon put it there isn't because he approves of them but the total opposite. Like, how the fuck does the fact that Xander is afraid of man cooties means Whedon hates gays when you've got characters like Willow and Tara who were revolutionary for their time right there? The backlash against Jessica Jones is pretty much inevitable at this point.

I really shouldn't even be following these people except it's extremelyl difficult to find fandom blogs that aren't also loaded with social justice posts, and even that would've been fine if so many of them weren't so goddamn close-minded, ignorant, or extreme.

>>42986
I mean what did he do in the past to merit
>Especially David Tennant
Or do you just mean that it's because he's really famous?

>>42992
Because he has a very large fangirl base that might react poorly to it.

Or hell, maybe they'll take it as a Fifty Shades of Purple and declare it OTP, fuck if I know.

>>42993
So just like the "mewling quim" line, which only got popular because Loki's fangirls are dumb, not because of some nefarious plot to revive an old slur on the writer's behalf.

//youtube.com/watch?v=AsYjtNIsCvk

>Some people may look at my casting as political correctness or an attempt to meet a racial quota, or as part of the year of “Black Film.” Or they could look at it as a creative choice by the director, Josh Trank, who is in an interracial relationship himself—a reflection of what a modern family looks like today.

...

>Sometimes you have to be the person who stands up and says, “I’ll be the one to shoulder all this hate. I’ll take the brunt for the next couple of generations.” I put that responsibility on myself. People are always going to see each other in terms of race, but maybe in the future we won’t talk about it as much. Maybe, if I set an example, Hollywood will start considering more people of color in other prominent roles, and maybe we can reach the people who are stuck in the mindset that “it has to be true to the comic book.” Or maybe we have to reach past them.

>To the trolls on the Internet, I want to say: Get your head out of the computer. Go outside and walk around. Look at the people walking next to you. Look at your friends’ friends and who they’re interacting with. And just understand this is the world we live in. It’s okay to like it.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/22/michael-b-jordan-fantastic-four-race?hootPostID=490b10631015593685361f6e938905a9

>“I’ll be the one to shoulder all this hate. I’ll take the brunt for the next couple of generations.” I put that responsibility on myself

Come the fuck on. It is cool that he is taking a stand againstr the trolls, but that statement is ridiculous.

>>43001
Its going to make him look stupid in the end.

>>43001
Yeah. Holy shit he sounds pretentioius.

>>43001

I’m all for him playing the role and I think he’s probably going to be one of the few good things about that film, but holy shit, he is not Martin Luther King Jr. and he’d do well to stop acting like he’s doing some sort of brave stand for civil rights or some shit. He’s playing a character in a film adaptation of a comic book, not sitting at a Whites-Only lunch counter in protest of racism.

And I'm not saying the racist bullshit he's receiving over his playing the role is good or justified or anything like that. But holy shit, Mike, you're not staring down the rifle of a Klansman. Get a grip.

>>43000
I still think it's retarded that we live in a world where casting white characters with non-white actors is seen as progressive and yet the opposite is called whitewashing.

>>43008

“Reverse white-washing” was the reason some assholes got up in arms about the casting of Johnny Storm in the F4 reboot: they felt Johnny's whiteness was somehow essential to the character; if he’s black, he somehow isn’t the Human Torch. But there’s no real reason Johnny can’t be black/the adopted brother of Sue. The racial makeup of Johnny Storm’s character doesn’t actually inform his character or the stories told about him, so why should it matter if he’s black?

By contrast, if Johnny had been black in the comics and turned white for the film adaptation, it’d be easy to argue that whoever made the decision used some sort of racist idea (e.g. “black superheroes just don’t draw audiences to theaters”) to justify the decision. The change from black to white would inherently have negative racial connotations surrounding it because it would have to come from a way of thinking that shortchanges black actors/characters; it would imply that the character just couldn’t be black for…“reasons”.

We tend to fall back on whiteness as a “default” without thinking whether a character needs to actually be white for a story to work. Mike Jordan being cast as Johnny Storm proves that a character who was white in the past doesn't necessarily need to stay white if their being white isn't all that important to the character.

>>43008
Not really, there is a severe slant towards giving all the plum jobs to white actors, even if they have no talent whatsoever, and the usual excuse is that their characters are already white to begin with. Rewriting roles to be more diverse is one solution for the problem, though it's a rather weak one IMO. I'm personally of the opinion that racelifting in general is unnecessary and better solved by adapting more diverse original characters which never had a history of being white in the first place.

>>43010

What if the role didn’t have racelifting in the script? Johnny Storm's character isn't really informed by race, so if the F4 reboot producers thought Mike Jordan fit the part better than other actors who auditioned for the role, who’s to say they specifically wanted a black guy for Human Torch? Johnny could theoretically have been Japanese-American or Arab-American or even Native American based on who turned in the best audition; his racial identity doesn’t matter at all.

Now, there are instances where whiteness is something of a required trait. Take Iron Man and Batman: they’re both examples of the privileges afforded to someone by both wealth and whiteness. Steve Rogers needs to be white because of his specific history as an American World War II soldier. But theoretically, Superman could be played by John Boyega and still be the exact same character because Superman's whiteness isn't an inherently valuable part of his character.

I'm against unnecessary racelifting, too. But merely looking at a character and asking if they need to be white for a story to work isn’t racelifting—it’s fighting back against the idea of whiteness as a “default” setting for characters.

>>43010
>I'm personally of the opinion that racelifting in general is unnecessary and better solved by adapting more diverse original characters which never had a history of being white in the first place.
And the convenient part of that is that if you *do* happen to be a racist, by publically espousing that philosophy you get to avoid having to use minorities at all by only adapting the "bankable" heroes, who are just so happen to be mostly white men. You can just claim you're staying "true to the character" and laugh your way all the way to the next Klan meeting.

>>43011
Isn't Superman supposed to be a metaphor for Judaism though? By looking indistinguishable from the "norm", but actually being secretly something else. In the far future a Latino Superman might work out, but being black already makes you stand out on its own.

>>43016
Excessive hype machine, the MCU is losing its novelty since the first movie already did the whole "large cast of characters thing", mediocre international reviews putting a damper on turnout, and/or tangible evidence of the benefits of diverse casting on box office profits.

>>43019
Like I know they weren't counting on it, but this really puts Civil War in a good position as it is pretty much tailored to those criticisms.

>>43018

Superman is a Jesus metaphor, yes—but if you’re gonna take the Bible at its word in regards to where everything took place, Jesus was most likely black or “Arabic” in terms of skin color/ethnicity. A Black Superman really isn’t 100% out of the question when you take that into account, y’know?

(I don’t think it’ll ever happen, comics or otherwise, but it is theoretically possible.)

>>43021
Superman is often used as a Christ allegory by many writers, but his original concept was based more on Moses. He's a very heavily Jewish character.

>>43021
Pretty sure Siegel and Shuster intended Superman to be a metaphor for Ashkenazim living in America. I think the messiah overtones came along later from writers who were actual Christians. On a side note, the only people who seriously believe Jesus was black are loopy Afrocentrists. He definitely wasn't "white", but serious historians think he was a Arab Semite, not black.

Also there has been a black Superman in Multiversity. He was alright, I guess.

>>43021
A black Superman would be unrealistic if everyone is expected to look up to him as a hero rather than a threat.

>>43024

Well, in America, anyway.

>>43023
Calvin Ellis is the fucking greatest.

>>43024
Oh u

>>43040
I wouldn't be surprised if the change came from Disney proper. They aren't happy unless things fit into a nice cookie cutter. Marvel has gotten away with a lot, but now Disney is trying to eek out every dollar from the movies so they need to be "safe".

>>43040
knowing his previous work. Kinda glad it isn't that now. His stuff is fine but it just doesn't feel super. Its more satire.

>>43040
GotG didn't take itself seriously either. What's the problem?

>>43061
Cue complaints about whitewashing.

>>43062
He is supposed to be Tibetan. On the one hand it will sidestep the "white savior" and "inscrutable Oriental" elements that altogether that have dogged Doctor Strange's backstory, but on the other hand it's an example of said horribly unnecessary racelifting and the Ancient One's Tibetan background does form part of their character.

Fair bet Wong is out .

My first thought would be her playing Clea.

>>43066
I'd have preferred her to be Umar, but it would be interesting having a not-so-young woman playing her, especially after the big blowout surrounding Maggie Gyllenhal and casting.

>>43067
>big blowout surrounding Maggie Gyllenhal and casting.
What's that about?

>>43068
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/21/maggie-gyllenhaal-too-old-hollywood
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/22/entertainment/maggie-gyllenhaal-too-old-feat/

>>43069
Its interesting, I've seen some that I think grew into their looks when they went past thirty like Laura Prepon and Lucy Lawless. Latter I'm kinda pissed they didn't make her full time on Agents of Shield and regulated to one bit and flashbacks

>>43070
>Latter I'm kinda pissed they didn't make her full time on Agents of Shield and regulated to one bit and flashbacks
Yeah, I'm disappointed in that, too. :(

>>43073
Having Coulson hang around a bunch of dullards instead of attractive lethal women. Maybe he didn't come back to life and this is his hell. Being around a bunch of emotionless tossers. Oh hey in the last episode they remembered that Skye is a hacker. Cripes this show.

>>43095
The problem was never that Reynolds did or did not understand Deadpool, but that the "powers that be" did not.

>>43095
Ryan Reynolds is a comic book loving dork, and if there are any problems with him with regards to comic book roles he's played, it usually ain't on him.

This Deadpool movie is something he's wanted to do FOREVER.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-on-deadpool-its-a-nasty-piece-of-work/

>“With Deadpool, it’s a lot like going to prison for the first day,” Reynolds said. “You got to walk up and hit the biggest guy you see to establish a bit of cred. With Deadpool, early on you have to establish that moral flexibility. There’s a gamble to it — you’re going to lose a few people right at the beginning but you take the gamble and know that eventually you’re going to win them back. You won’t lose the hard-core fans of the character, they already know who he is. We have to play to a broader audience than that. As an actor you have to be willing to do something like … back in Vancouver we used to call it a [nasty] burger. ‘You gotta eat the [nasty] burger to get to the cookies.’ And yes, I want to write a cookbook about that…”

>“The comics are very inconsistent in the writing,” Reynolds said.  “All the different writers, different voices, but at the core of the character his heart is really interesting.  He’s the funniest guy you’ll ever meet, too, and for me that’s exciting but it’s not as hard as capturing that moral flexibility, which  is so important. He hasn’t really experienced the full spectrum of human emotion the way most people do.”

I can see him getting to the end and starting to where his past sins start to weigh on him. A vengeance that just turns stale and cold in his mouth.

>>43115
What the fuck is that supposed to be?

>>43116
Crossbones.

>>43115
>>43120
I don't think that "being too edgy" should be a valid complaint about the head of the Neo Nazi mook brigade.

Tacticool tryhardism kinda fits what the character needs to be. And the mask at least seems like something that'll stay on.

>>43115
>>43117
>>43120
Come on guys, what were you expecting? It's Crossbones, the guy wears black and has a Crossbones motiff going on between the mask and the shirt, there is so much you can do with that. And yes he is edgy as hell, complaining about that would be like complaining that Cap is too patriotic or that Tony Stark is too rich.

I guess those gloves abd the armor are to give him an extra oomph while fighting Cap, considering that he is just a normal guy and Cap owned him HARD in The Winter Solider.

>>43120
Honestly it makes way more sense for him to be that way than someone like Joker. Comics Crossbones wasn't much different you know.

PUNISHER CONFIRMED FOR DAREDEVIL SEASON TWO

Marvel has cast Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle.

>>43136
At the actor? Well, it's not like he wrote The Walking Dead, so you can't really blame him for that.

>>43139
Too late, I'm already seeing people do it anyway.

>>43139
I don't watch Walking Dead, what was so bad about him there?

>>43145
Nothing just poor writing.

http://deadline.com/2015/06/chiwetel-ejiofor-doctor-strange-baron-mordo-marvel-benedict-cumberbatch-1201441281/

Chiwetel Ejiofor had been in the running for the film for a long time, but most people expected him to be Brother Voodoo rather than Baron Mordo. Guess they're really gunning for interesting casting choices to counterbalance the backlash against Cumberbatch.

>>43154
Bendystraw Computercat?

>>43154
>to counterbalance the backlash against Cumberbatch.

The non existant backlash. The only people who bitched are the same crowd that would bitch regardless of who gets chosen.

>>43172
A lot of it is from the people who hate Cumberbatch because he's disgusting looking (I agree), overexposed in "nerd" properties (I kind of agree) or because they think he's overrated/not that good of an actor (I definitely don't agree). And of course the band of nutters who claim that Doctor Strange was outright whitewashed, because he had almond-shaped eyes in the comics (well, so does Cumberbatch).

>>43176
I think he can play well the broody doctor who had his hands mauled and goes on a quest of self and its up being Sorcerer Supreme.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/09/isaac-perlmutter-signed-off-on-spider-gwen-is-a-movie-next/

Rumors of a Spider-Gwen movie in the works.

>>43184
Not sure how well that would work considering it's not in continuity with the Gwen everybody already likes, although the AU nature might make it work after all. Spidey's already supposed to be dead so they can probably keep Emma Stone and all the other aspects of the no-longer-canon ASM films.

http://www.slashfilm.com/thor-3-director-rumor/

The first Thor really benefited from the Shakespearean elements Branagh brought to the table, so here's hoping he comes back for the third.

>>43204
First film still wasn't that great, though it was at least better than the second. I blame the Earth scenes in both though. If the film is entirely on Asgard it could be actually good.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/23/tom-holland-spider-man

Never heard of this kid. Is he any good?

I wanted it to be Asa Butterfield. He was pretty good in Ender's Game.

that is the most baby baby-faced baby man I've ever seen.

>>43219
Which will play with the Avengers gag of them offering him a spot and revealing that he's still a kid.

>>43214
The Thing and Spider-Man are now both Billy Elliot.

The key to superheroism is apparently Ballet.

>>43222
Haha, oh wow. I guess Broadway is the place to look for future MCU castings then.

>>43223
Honestly, going ballet for Spider-Man isn't a bad idea. They're going to be the closest thing to being able to actually pull off Spidey contortions in real life.

So people are coming back from preview screenings for Ant-Man saying it's actually not half bad. A lot of them saying that it's better than Avengers 2 in fact.

>>43228
As one of the few mad souls who actually enjoyed Avengers 2, this fills me with confidence.

Few projects emerge from development hell with anything resembling quality. Jurassic World was one, but I'm glad we haven't hit the annual quota for these surprises just yet.

>>43230
Plenty of people liked Avengers 2, lets get real. I know us nerds love to pretend we are what makes these movies work or not, but in fact our presence is minuscule.

>>43230
Avengers 2 was good. It just wasn't great and didn't live up to people's ridiculous expectations.
While the MCU's heavyhanded influence often stifles the directors and causes the films to be too similar, at the same time it's also a really good form of quality control that makes sure they all at least reach a baseline. Even Thor 2 which I consider the worst one was still OK-ish, although the studio basically handled it themselves after they scared off Jenkins. The real worry I had was whether Ant-Man would be able to stand out on its own or if it would just be another fun but forgettable film.

//youtube.com/watch?v=HkZwlIYLNBQ
So this is kinda cute. Apparently they're starting some sort of meta MCU news channel.

>“I guess I'll declare my independence from this rumor on 4th of July [and] Essence weekend!” said DuVernay, today. “I'm not signing on to direct Black Panther. I think I’ll just say we had different ideas about what the story would be. Marvel has a certain way of doing things and I think they’re fantastic and a lot of people love what they do. I loved that they reached out to me.”

>Ava DuVernay also confirmed meeting with the star of the Black Panther film, Chadwick Boseman, who is currently filming for the character's cinematic debut in Captain America: Civil War. “I loved meeting Chadwick and writers and all the Marvel execs,” she said. “In the end, it comes down to story and perspective. And we just didn't see eye to eye. Better for me to realize that now than cite creative differences later.”

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=122400

>>43254
Aww too bad. I heard part of it stems from the fact that she wanted to create an original mythology around the character to suit her planned narrative, while Marvel (naturally) wants to stick closer to the comics on this one.

While I favor the latter side because I'm a big fan of the lore established by the Christopher Priest run, I can see her point and neither one is particularly wrong for it.

>>43254

’tis a shame, but damn, you gotta wonder if Marvel's tight control over how it does things will backfire sooner or later. (I think "sooner". Phase Three will probably have Marvel's first actual bomb—assuming Ant-Man does well, anyway.)

>>43259
From what people are saying, Ant-Man is actually really, surprisingly, good, and is expected to do decently due to this positive word of mouth.

>>43259
That'll probably be Doctor Strange, considering the odd casting choices and the not so great track record of the director and writer. Granted, the Russos made several bad films and their successes were comedies, not dramas.

I don't even like Marvel movies that much, but it is odd to me that people almost want to see them fail at some point. If Marvel Studios has a flop, I doubt it's going to be because they outright did something terrible with said movie, but more of the superhero bubble finally starting to burst.

>>43254
I always assume serious message directors look at these offers from superhero movie factories and go "haha no", so I'm kind of shocked DuVernay gave it proper consideration. But then I forget how integral Jon Favreau and Kenneth Branagh were in forming the MCU, so it's good that Marvel isn't forgetting how crucial these sorts of directors are to its business, even if it is smothering them somewhat.

>>43262
It's mostly just Jumpman. The sane people among us can admit the MCU has plenty of things wrong with it without obsessing over them or wanting the whole thing to come crashing down.

>>43263
Considering how well Marvel films do and how many people see them, she probably saw it as a chance to put a blockbuster on her resume and still tackle some serious issues even if it's a little "fluffy" for her.

Marvel probably reached out to her because of all the criticism the MCU's got for its lack of diversity, both in-film and in staff. Some of it deserved, some of it not so much (e.g. the calls that Steve Rogers should've been acted by someone black or Jewish, "Doctor Strange was whitewashed!", or that Ant-Man stole Black Widow's movie and should be boycotted in protest when it was in development since 2006). Now that she's a superstar they probably thought having her would help quell the complaints, and probably make them be seen as more legitimate than just popcorn flicks.

>>43265
Point to a statement I've made where I wished a Marvel Studios film would financially fail. Otherwise, stop bullshitting.

Eh, given how long movie people telling Marvel that they "cant make a movie out of THAT" I'm cool with them telling to fuck off when they want to change stuff to much.

They have earned it.

And there are still tons of arcs I want to see.

Armor Wars anyone?

>>43269
*Told*

Also isnt the point of Miles Morales that he gets inspired by Peter Parker?
So ofcoure they are going to have him show up first, calm you tits internet!
Gods...

>>43272
Rather he be Nomad for a while.

>>43272
I can't boo loudly enough at this development.

>>43273
Y'know, that would actually work pretty well, and doesn't suffer from having Winter Soldier yank Jack Monroe out from limbo just to kill him and become the one true Bucky.

>>43273
In all honesty that's what I'm expecting. That or he he stays as the Winter Soldier outright except on the side of good. It's unlikely Captain America will die in Civil War since he's been confirmed for both Infinity Wars. So has everybody else I think.

>>43277

Marvel could kill Steve off in Civil War and still bring him back for the Infinity War flicks. Remember, we're gonna get into the metaphysical/supernatural shit with Doctor Strange (UNLESS MARVEL DOES SOME SHITTY "IT'S ACTUALLY SCIENCE" BULLSHIT, DON'T DO THAT BULLSHIT TO US FEIGE) and it's possible that Thanos's "relationship" with Death could somehow end up bringing Steve back from the grave in Infinity War.

But yeah, I ain't puttin' bets on Steve dying.

>>43278
It would also just be a really anticlimactic way for Civil War to end considering how vastly different it's already shaping up to be from the comics. While the philosophical gap between the pro- and anti- regulation sides may linger throughout Phase 3, I'm betting the actual team division will only last for the first two acts before they reunite against Baron Zemo.

>>43278
They could also fake us out.

Marisa Tomei is the new Aunt May.

I gotta wonder: in the next Spidey reboot, will Aunt May be in her friggin' twenties?

>>43290
Pete's dad (I had to google to learn his name is Richard) could have already been middle-aged when Peter was born. Also, [citation needed], but the Wikipedia article on Peter's parents mention Ben being Richard's "much older brother."

Wait, Pete's dad and Ben were brothers? I assumed Ben and May were Pete's Great Uncle and Great Aunt and he just CALLED them "Aunt" and "Uncle" for brevity. That's how I do with my great uncles and aunts. I didn't realize they were supposed to be the same generation as his parents.

>>43293
It's weird but yeah. Guess there's some bizarre inverse comic book time shenanigans there somehow.

>>43290
Deaging Aunt May cuts down on just how fucked Peter is, though- Without her being a billion years old and on dozens of medications for her many, many ailments, he's got way less money suck from his crappy job.

>>43298
Though he's now under twenty so it makes a bit of sense. And still Uncle Ben dying and likely whatever income he had going out the window brings its own set of problems.

Deadpool Comic-Con trailer leaked.

https://vid.me/DVtz

>>43327
//youtube.com/watch?v=IIF2y63MBLs

>>43327
>>43328
Oooh, nice. Blind Al.

>>43328
What that Colossus? Nice, he need some more time in the spotlight.

>>43328
He still looks a lot less fucked up than I was expecting though I guess you can only do so much when he's being played by Ryan Reynolds. And too much makeup probably gets in the way. Anyway looks pretty hype though I wish there was more fourth wall breaking.

I had no idea Blind Al would be on this, pretty cool.

Fox really should’ve released that redband trailer last night. Dumbasses should be all over top of all the buzz.

>>43332
well as little CGI as possible and maybe just enough so that he can get the mask on and off without it tearing it all to pieces.

shame /co/ is being its modern shitty self about..everything.

https://vid.me/qHw2

X-Men Apocalypse Comic-Con trailer.

>>43341
Wasn't as informative as I'd like but doesn't look half bad and the previous two movies turned out solid. Cool to see they're using Storm's mohawk design this time around.

>>43342

And a new actress for Storm.

>>43341
Man, Apocalypse is never going to have as a good a voice as the '92 cartoon, is he?

//youtube.com/watch?v=OYt78FWfa5M

>>43344

No. Never.

>>43346

I assume this would mean Wade's face is gonna get VFX'd up.

>>43346
Good reason, thanks for telling.

>>43344
I AM THE ROCK OF THE ETERNAL SHORE
CRASH AGAINST ME, AND BE BROKEN!

So deliciously cheesy and yet badass. Fans shit a lot on ol' blue lips for "never winning" in the comics(which is odd to me, since "never winning" is what all villains usually do), but nobody can deny he was awesome in the 90's X-Men. The guy was THE big bad of the series, every time he appears the team felt like it was in a real, mortal danger. In fact, he DID wipe out an entire team of X-Men in direct combat, they only were saved due time-travelling shaneningans.

Plus, that episode which was basically Apocalypse trolling Archangel into thinking he had a chance at destroying him, was pure gold. What a spiteful sack of shit, like a good villain should be.

>>43349

>So deliciously cheesy and yet badass.

“I am as far beyond mutants as they are beyond you!” is still my favorite quote from that show.

//youtube.com/watch?v=AAgnQdiZFsQ

>>43358
Everyone talks except Ben wonder why?

>>43358
Will everybody hurt me if I admit I think this actually looks...kinda good?

>>43361
Kinberg did a lot of reshoots earlier in the year. It's possible he may have pulled an Ant-Man with this film.

>>43363
Visualwise he looks terrible, but then again so did the old Doom, and who knows what his personality is going to be like.

>>43361
No, but I still want it to fail so we get the FF stuff in MU.
Because they would give us the Real Deal Doom.
And Skrulls.

For all the shit that goes down in /co/ there is some interesting analysis of the trailers. Mainly taking note of missing effects, mistimed effects, bad cgi in general and comparisons of the older trailers with the newer ones in which they stripped the 3D effect CGI.

Also the overall fact that this one alone didn't get leaks and that the panel was horrible. I really feel bad for the film actually.

Also from the trailers it looks like they do zero effects to change Ben's voice.

//youtube.com/watch?v=Qc6EYDZovPQ

1:53-1:55 Minute Mark.

Denny's Did more work.

//youtube.com/watch?v=65MibWyP6gk

>>43367

And the Silver Surfer.

>>43367
Forget the graphic but the MCU already has joint hold of Skrulls (so Secret Invasion is totally possible come Phase 4 or whatever). They only don't have access to Super Skrull.

>>43376
True but the rights of Galactus were never really in doubt.

>>43381
Reminds me of a Farscape poster

>>43381
Apocalypse just looks wrong without giant lips.

>>43381
Magneto and Psylocke look pretty great though, surprising considering how stupid comic leotards look IRL.

>>43385
But then again if his powers include shapeshifting he could pull a Freiza and change into more powerfull forms as the movie goes on.

>>43384
Well, really it's as much that he's the wrong colour as anything else. In the comics, his skin is gray and his lips and clothes are what are blue.

They basically reversed things to the X-Force Archangel colour scheme.

Just saw Ant-Man. Actually pretty good. Liked it way, way, way more than Guardians of the Galaxy which I thought was only soso. The jokes were funnier, the visuals were more interesting (man that Microverse scene, and the main character is a lot more likeable. Cross is yet another forgetable Marvel villain but I can let it slide for this kind of film, and I'm really glad Hope Pym will become the Wasp in the future.

>>43439
It's in the realm of Thor 2 for me in that it's just kinda there. Yeah it was funny, but it had a slow buildup and took itself a bit too seriously in some parts. Actually the film's tone as a whole was all over the place. It swapped from comedy hijinks to dramatic dialogue about the Pym family in a heartbeat.

For the first half of the movie, Ant-Man doesn't even do anything. It feels like they ran out of stuff to do with the overall concept and filled the rest of the movie with a lot of boring generic thriller drama. I also noticed that a lot of scenes shown in the trailers leading up to it were completely missing from the final product.

//youtube.com/watch?v=Tjf0pQTcRgk

So, apparently Steam stole Hank Pym's logo. Thoughts?

Ah the modern "comedy" replacing naivete with idiocy on ontop of being needlessly trashy. Ending rather sums it up for it all literally murdering the classic bit from the original. Wouldn't put it past this film to have the original driver show up looking for her daughter cue flatbed carrying her trashed car with her mangled corpse inside hand hanging out. But she gets distracted by Hemsworth cock.

I know they did the sequel to cloudy but other than the monsters the film was kinda dull. If this is their idea of grade a humor I hope they get axed after the first draft.

>>43490
I'm super confused right now. I'm assuming you're talking about Vacation.

>>43492

Yes and how that style of modern comedy probably won't translate well into Spider-man. His beats aren't supposed to be comically tragic.

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/08/live-action-deadpool-will-not-have-schizophrenia/
People on Tumblr are freaking the fuck out right now and calling it ableism or erasure. I haven't parsed the arguments long enough to figure out whether they have a point or not, but my first thought is when it comes to it Deadpool probably isn't the best guy to have for mental illness representation.

>>43494
I've seen both sides, and there are fair points to be made in both cases. Deadpool is a well-liked (by the audience), funny character who is schizophrenic but not made unable to function by his illness, and there aren't a lot of people like that in media.

...but on the other hand, he locked an old blind woman who was effectively his best friend in a room full of sharp, pointy objects to punish her once. And it was implied to be something he had done to her before, because she was terrified of it. And this was not treated as a wacky fun thing, it was treated as exactly as horrible as it sounds.

So yeah. I'm not sure I would consider him to be positive representation for schizophrenics. This is probably for the best, all told.

>>43494
Really? I saw tumblr go on about how that was a positive thing saying stuff how it was more likely people with mental health afflictions are victims of violence more often than perpetrators and such.

Fuckin hell.
Dyou ever think maybe tumblr might have more than one school of thought cos that idea's crossed my mind more than once.

Deadpool appeared a bit insane in the trailer. I think this "no schizophrenia" thing actually means he won't have those two voices in his head, which is a relatively new development for the character.

Finally saw Ant-man.
Freasher then Avangers 2 and I'm a sucker for cool bug stuff so I'd say it better.
And now its time to read your spoilers!

>>43496
Didn't say that was the only opinion Tumblr had, but the particular circles I follow are overwhelmingly on the side of "it's a bad decision that's harmful to the disabled community" side of things, except none of them have bothered to elaborate (at least yet) on why exactly beyond "Fox should know better". >>43495's explanation makes a lot of sense, but that and what you pointed out though is basically why I lean towards getting rid of Deadpool's schizophrenia being a good thing.

>>43497
I'm guessing it means bye-bye yellow boxes ;_;

>>43498
I hope the Ant-Man sequel is flat-out called The Wasp instead of Ant-Man 2 or whatever. It's already a less goofy title and similar enough to Green Hornet to not be weird. Plus Scott just isn't interesting enough to be the star again and Hope more than deserves it. Don't think this needs to be spoiled because everyone at Marvel Studios flat-out said she'd become Wasp even before the movie came out.

>>43501
I hate that movie Wasp has that dumbass reverse stinger on her head. I get they don't want her to be confused with Yellowjacket but his costume was great and what her outfit should've looked more like.

>>43507
Haven't watched the movie yet, but damn, that's one sweet looking costume.

>>43507
Don't get why her arms are exposed when they talked about how dangerous Pym particles can be but I assume it's just incomplete and it's going to change when she actually enters the fray.

>>43499
>I'm guessing it means bye-bye yellow boxes ;_;

That's a good thing.
The yellow boxes were the first step on the road to full on Daniel Way tier Deadpool.

>>43501
Even at lowres 90's Liefeld Janet is still horrific.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33750796/fantastic-four-cast-havent-seen-the-final-film-yet---and-its-out-in-a-few-days
Wow. It's not a guarantee of bad quality but that's not exactly confidence inspiring, especially with Miles Teller's comment. Way to drain any remaining hype the movie has.

//youtube.com/watch?v=QPZHBjyUGhQ

>>43559
Do they not have premiers for movies anymore? Did the cast just skip it? "Dave and Busters was giving out free tokens, far better night."

>>43561
That is the best "trailer of a trailer" thingie in the history of ever.

Granted, there isn't much competition there, but still credit where credit is due.

>>43560
I thought they're going to compare it like Guardians of the Galaxy more than the Thor movies. Which still sucks. Also I want to waifu Luis now.

>>43561
Every time I think about how bad the FF reboot is probably going to be I remind myself that this film still looks great.

>>43567
That's what happens when you get a movie made out of love of the story/characters versus love of screwing over your licenser.

>>43448
The director explained it. The trailers had a lot of jokes about how dumb or lame Ant-Man was, which works well as trailer soundbytes, but in the the actual movie would just detract from the plot or reflect badly on the main character.

Early Twitter buzz for Fantastic Four seems to be positive.

http://www.slashfilm.com/fantastic-four-early-buzz/

>>43571

That means nothing. Early buzz was positive for Green Lantern, too.

>>43573
Didn't pay much attention to Green Lantern, after I saw that hideous CGI costume. However, apparently Amazing Spider-Man 2 received mix buzz before its premier. So it's not completely useless.

>>43571
Early buzz for Age of Ultron was positive too. If you talk to an average person on the street or Tumblr they'll act like it was the worst thing ever and an assault to human decency.

For what it's worth I thought it was OK. Had good stuff, but a lot of it got waylaid by Whedon's personal excesses.

Early buzz tends to come from the people who felt the strongest in their love or hate. You're not going to see many in-between attitudes. And all the backroom drama indicates that Fant4stic is shaping up to be functional but forgettable rather than outright MST3K bad, especially if the stories about the ghost-directed reshoots are true.

F4 reviews are slowly pouring in.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/

>>43579
Aaaaaaaaand yep, looks like I was right about that.
http://comicbook.com/2015/08/04/first-fantastic-four-critic-reviews-released/

Dat Deadpool trailer. Hnnngh. I hope the full movie turns out good. (Also: best use of that DMX song since Rick & Morty.)

Looks promising.
Hoping it will deliver.

>>43583
That's the same one that was shown at Comic Con right? Yeah it's really good stuff.

>>43585
the Comic Con trailer had a bit more footage, like Negasonic saying her name and Wade's reaction to it.

>>43587
Man they always miss the point of Doom.

"powerfully mediocre" is the absolute worst thing your film can be.

It's apparently a bottle episode on bland set with boring CGI run amok battles scattered on.

>>43589
We can mostly blame shitty marketing for that one.