/mtv/ - Music, Television & Film

Forcing her into it all just makes people cringe

>>42072
Can't stop me from funposting.

//youtube.com/watch?v=UngE0qn3VRY

Heads up. New trailer comin’ through.

//youtube.com/watch?v=JAUoeqvedMo

>>42079
Looks a lot more interesting than the first two, but I'm not really digging the sepia filter than seems to be over everything. It worked better for Captain America 1.

Noticed Quicksilver wasn't in the final battle around the big circle. I've heard some rumbling about how Whedon's going to have him killed off to subvert the whole Stuffed in the Fridge cliche but I'd have hoped someone like him was mature enough to realize that fridging in general is usually a bad idea to begin with and frequently a sign of bad writing, even if it was more equal-opportunity.

>>42085
No idea how true it is but Joss Whedon just isn't nearly as good of a writer as his fans hype him up to be. Hell, for all the acclaim he gets about writing female characters, I don't think the way he wrote Black Widow in Avengers 1 was interesting at all so some of the praise she got (and subsequent bashing of others like Peggy for supposedly "stealing her thunder") really baffles me.

Sure, Whedon's Black Widow avoided common pitfalls of female character writing by being a competent fighter and spy, wasn't defined by romance/sex, wasn't a total block of wood (but then again everyone in Avengers is some kind of snarky so her being a snarker hardly counts), and had some degree of angst over her generic dark past so she's not a Mary Sue or flawless goddess to be held on a pedestal. However, that alone doesn't make a good character, and Widow is pretty damn vanilla. One could argue that female representation really is so poor that we should rally around her because she's the best we can get in, but is that really so? I feel like it's a bad strawman and people just aren't looking hard enough for other better female characters.

Now the Widow we saw in The Winter Soldier, her I would like to see a film about. There she was flirty and underhanded, but also lonely and self-doubting beneath her veneer of overconfidence, and so on. A female "strong character", as the goal should be, not the bland archetype in Avengers 1.

>>42088
It was cool in the 90s and 00s because back then he was doing something novel. More capable writers have emerged since then, but a lot of people grew up on his stuff like Buffy and Firefly so they still have residual fondness for him. Simple as that.

>>42089
I'm pretty sure more people saw the Avengers than saw Buffy and Firefly combined, even counting the people who saw both twice.

>>42088

Part of the issue with Avengers!Widow is that Whedon had to balance what amounted to four starring roles (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk) with the main antagonist (Loki) and three major supporting characters (Widow, Hawkeye, and Fury) within a two-hour film. There just wasn't enough time for Whedon to have given Widow any major characterization beyond what he did. Winter Soldier could afford the time for Widow, and as you said, it did a damn good job in developing her character.

And yes, Whedon is pretty hit-and-miss when it comes to female characters. But let's not pretend that Avengers had the room necessary to give Black Widow any meaningful characterization. He did the best he could within the limits of a two-hour flick where...well, no one but Tony Stark and Bruce Banner got any sort of meaningful characterization, really.

>>42091
Avengers was fun but Whedon dropped the ball on nearly everyone in that film. Cap and Thor became hollow shells of themselves. Tony gets away with the snark because it's already in his nature as a wisecracker plus RDJ had a lot of leeway in adlibbing, but his arc was extremely cookiecutter. Banner is the only character I was really impressed with, and even then a lot of it comes from Ruffalo's performance. Fucking Loki who the fangirls praise to high heavens threw away all his characterization in Thor 1 to become a completely charmless generic villain spouting generic villain lines like he was quoting from a handbook. It took TDW to undo the damage and give him back some sense of nuance.

I'm kind of glad Whedon isn't directing any more Avengers films after this. He's not terrible, but he's better off just sticking to writing duties while someone else like the Russo brothers oversee the whole thing. I have faith in them that TWS wasn't just a fluke.

>>42095
I don't think it was really clear the degree to which characterization was lacking in the Avengers until Guardians of the Galaxy came along and managed to develop and make the audience care about every member of the team in a single movie, without needing lead in solo movies first.

>>42097
I'd have to disagree about whether Guardians of the Galaxy did a good job in that regard, but Avengers' problem was that everyone felt less like proper characters and more like vehicles for action and Whedon's snark. Even if I thought Avengers was the funnier movie, at least the GotG cast felt like actual people.

Honestly, most of my gripes with Whedon veer more towards the visual angle.
Like, hell - if the whole movie had looked this good maybe I'd focus on the writing, but so far I'm good:

//youtube.com/watch?v=DYYlYnT1CZg

>>42099

That video.

That's the good shit, my friend.

>>42099
What was so bad about it? It's been a while since I last watched it but I don't remember anything particularly wrong with it.

>>42104
That video there was a collection of every good shot in the movie, and even then, they didn't last more than two seconds. And the movie didn't even fill out the video so they had to use Cap 1.

Whedon is not good with visuals, or cinematography, or effective lighting. He's the anti-Fincher.

This is the greatest scene ever.

//youtube.com/watch?v=9g0bmCPFsi8

>>42106
Is that thing actually worth watching or is it as good as we'll get?

>>42107
Never seen it myself, but Patton Oswalt is a vocal supporter of the film.

http://pattonoswalt.com/index.cfm?page=spew&id=90

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/punisher-war-zone/

I am fully expecting that this whole Widow/Banner thing will be a red herring, and she is just jokingly teasing with Banner to mess him up a bit.

>>42109
That or it's a one-sided thing and Bruce fell for her since she's the first person to bring him out of isolation. He doesn't really seem like her type and wouldn't have known her long enough to get through to her.

>>42112
Judging by the original trailer summary, Black Widow is interested in Bruce, but he doesn't want to commit because of the Hulk.

>Well, in the party scene at Avengers Tower, we discover that Banner and Black Widow kinda have a thing for each other. Banner is afraid to consummate anything with her for fear of hulking out and hurting her. He doesn't trust himself.

...

>Banner and Black Widow are definitely into each other. Very Buffy and Angel stuff. Very Joss Whedon.

http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-avengers-age-of-ultron-early-story-details-revealed

//youtube.com/watch?v=ZdNK8L3ZdmE
Second Daredevil trailer is out. Too early to call but fights look pretty brutal, nice.

>>42113
>Banner is afraid to consummate anything with her for fear of hulking out
Its like theyre acknowledging the porn...

>>42123
There's a strong contingent on the internet lately that is categorically opposed to any acknowledgement in fiction that romance and attraction is a thing that exists and that drives people.

>>42124
Oh no they like that, they just don't like Widow getting specifically with Banner and vice versa. The prevailing sentiment is people would rather the two get with just about anyone else except for each other.

>>42125
Even Bruce/Hawkeye and Natasha/Thor?

>>42126
Actually yeah. Bruce/Hawkeye is pretty fucking huge. They even call it Hulkeye. And Natasha/Thor has a lot of fans even though I don't think they ever talked one-on-one.

>>42128
Did Dum-Dum smoke in either of the Cap movies? I can't remember.

>>42129
There was a lot of hooch for his appearances in Agent Carter, but I don't recall him smoking during that. Can't remember in the Cap movies.

>>42129
Not sure, though I don't think this no smoking rule is going to change things in any way.

>>42131
Just be smart about it. Like Constantine does for most the time with smoking interrupts. Either the cig gets soaked,crushed etc.

>>42147
Yeah but there's not much point in showing characters smoking in the first place anyway. Even in the case of villains or antiheroes there are usually better ways to convey that kind of characterization without needing cigarettes.

>>42148
Yeah, but it makes them look so cool.

You know, I am not completely against the whole Widow/Banner thing. I mean, it is interesting that in a team of hunks she would be attracted to the brainy guy. Or perhaps she is actually attracted to the Hulk, who knows!

On the other hand, it is cool to have a female action hero whose entire point wasn't getting involved into a romantic relationship with one of the heroes. Her broing up (sis-ing up?) with Hawkeye and Cap without any awkward romantic tension was a great thing to watch.

//youtube.com/watch?v=OSFEboLhq44
Looks like they're having Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver do the accent thing. This could be a cool touch, or it could be the most annoying fucking thing ever. We'll just have to see.

>>42154
Magnets?

>>42154
>>42155
How do they work?

>>42154

I would assume they're some form of magnets, with the corresponding halves placed on the back of his shield.

>>42154
Cap actually had something similar in the comics and called them "transistors". Iirc they're mocked by pretty much everyone as having been a bad idea so I wonder why they included them in AoU

>>42162
Beats Werewolf Cap.

>>42185
>follows hello kitty

I do adore the mercenary.

>>42185
Looks so tacky IRL. Which is absolutely perfect and how it should be.

So he's already popped up in Cartoons, do you think he could appear in television?

>>42201
Who, Deadpool? I think Marvel still has the rights to X-Men for TV series, which is why people want Fox and Marvel to reach a compromise over it. Maybe not necessarily bringing the X-Men back to the MCU because I think that's just an all-around bad idea for the lore the MCU is trying to build, but a halfway solution that lets them crossover a bit and Marvel can use the word "mutants" again.

>>42203
Honestly, while I would like to see Marvel handle X-Men, I don't want the mutants and the rest of the Marvel Universe to be the same universe. Even in comics. Maybe it's fine for situations like Marvel vs. Capcom or the occasional rare universe-hopping crossover event, but the whole store of the X-Men works better in a world without people who are effectively mutants other than by arbitrary distinctions, like Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four. Those characters not facing the same sort of racism that mutants face sort of hamstrings the central conceit of the X-books, and puts the non-X heroes in an awkward position of being obligated to have strains of anti-mutant bigotry that make no real sense when the only difference between mutants and them is whether they were born with their mutations or mutated due to outside influence.

>>42204

And the Inhumans fall under a weird mix of both categories, in that their "mutations" already exist in their DNA but require an outside "trigger" to manifest.

>>42203
I'd like to see him in AoS just for the reason they've got HYDRA in the mix and they could have a cameo adventure with him. HYDRA tried to ambush him to get the Healing Factor secrets from his body. He kidnapped one of theirs instead and is riding around with Bob in tow. Ends with Coulson getting a postcard from Deadpool he just shakes his head and drops it in a drawer filled with them. Maybe ending with the comment "Should have never given him that badge."

So Hugh Jackman's planning on retiring as Wolverine soon. He's had a good run while it's lasted, and it'll finally be the chance for other, more interesting characters to get the chance to shine.

>>42214
I just hope we see him reprise his role 30 years from now for Old Man Logan...

>>42214

Now you gotta wonder which film will be his last: X-Men: Apocalypse or another Wolverine.

If it’s the former, they can always use Apocalypse’s bullshit to sorta ‘reset’ Wolverine and get a younger(/cheaper) actor to play him from there on out. If it’s the latter, they could grey up his hair and do a film adaptation of Old Man Logan.

>>42214
>it'll finally be the chance for other, more interesting characters to get the chance to shine.

I have a hard time believing anyone would think that they wouldn't just recast Marvel's Batman. Because, y'know, Wolverine is Marvel's Batman, and the money draw, Huge Ackman or not.

>>42216
Probably Wolverine 2, since he's apparently finishing up in 2017 or so and Apocalype is coming out in 2016.

//youtube.com/watch?v=tUEkqZxLyrg
Based Reynolds.

>>42236
>>42237
Best stuff.

>>42237

Damn, that suit looks nice in motion.

>>42239
I'll admit the CG and photo made me a bit worried, but it looks much nicer here. And I guess the suit looking a little awkward in real life would just add to the charm.

Some comments "Who's Slater/Jessie?"

Thanks for making me feel old.

Ryan Reynolds 6.2 Canadian
Wade Wilson 6.2 Canadian

I think someone found their synchronicity point.

Also that was him in the suit. They are gonna mocap to animate his facial area. Should be sweet.

>>42241
Fuck those kids, they're not old enough to see it in theaters anyway.

http://comicbook.com/2015/04/01/spoiler-free-review-daredevil-will-heighten-your-senses/
Apparently the Daredevil miniseries is getting a lot of pretty good reviews, especially for the fights. I feel like comparing it to Nolan Bats isn't as high of a bar as people think it is, considering how terrible TDKR was and how bad the fight scenes were.

>>42244
The fight scenes are one of the few things I agree were bad about Nolan Batman films.

In comparison to other superhero online shows, Daredevil doesn't have much to prove against the awfulness that is Powers.

Marvel seems to have learned much from the lackluster Agents of Shield, with Agent Carter and now Daredevil getting praised.

>>42245
Hell even Agents of SHIELD is a lot better these days. Arguable whether it's as good as Flash or the Arrow (before it went to shit), but Season 2 has been consistently solid so I guess they either learned or were just hamstrung out of their potential by executive mandate in the beginning.

>>42258
I think it's because Season 1 was far more about internal, non-superhuman people. Lots of character building, not a whole lot of powers. If they had someone with even a minor power on the team constantly from the start (like Pete Lattimer's "bad feeling" in Warehouse 13) it would have helped immensely.

Season 2 has a lot more focus on superpowers, especially with Skye in play now. Of course, Agent Carter had little in the way of super powers, but I think they wrote the intrigue much better and threw in enough Stark inventions to keep it interesting. Of course, Season 2 would not have happened without the world building done in Season 1, so even if it was a bit boring Season 1 was still useful.

>>42259
Yea give more of a reason for them being a team that is mysterious.

>>42278
The mo-cap eyes is an interesting addition. I hope the eye expressions are done subtly, as it could potentially stick out horribly. Really need to see it in motion.

>>42279
They tested something like with the first Spider-Man movie, but abandoned it for being really creepy looking. Hopefully the last decade and a half of technology has fixed that.

>>42280
And if not, having creepy eye may work for Deadpool.

>>42282
Probably contractual or scheduling stuff is keeping Renner out. I know they had to scrap a cameo for him in Winter Soldier because of that.

>>42284
Needs a little more Krueger but acceptable.

>>42285
Well this may still be as its starting to ravage his system before he gets the healing factor implanted. And before he has his heart ripped from his chest and the dives into the deep end of the pool.

Really if his heart is torn from his chest and this doesn't start playing, there is a problem. //youtube.com/watch?v=CmXWkMlKFkI

>>42287
Too eyecancer-res to tell if it's any good but so far it seems on par with Flash's.

>>42287
Confirmed. Don't watch if you don't want to be spoiled for tomorrow's premier.

//youtube.com/watch?v=OiFj-A03UE4

>>42290
This is gonna be a spectacular train wreak.

>>42290
The aesthetics look Synder-esque but not in the good way.

>>42291
Coloration issues aside I'm really happy with the way Vision's design turned out for this movie. It hits the right balance between pragmatism and accuracy to the comics, and between artificial android and dude wearing a suit.

>>42294
I saw comparisons to Prometheus which is even less favorable.

>>42295
The color is perfect, they just faded it on the poster because...colors scare Americans? I dunno.

They're not even trying to make the new Fantastic Four movie feel anything like the comics. If Trank wants to make Chronicle 2 then Fox should've let him make Chronicle 2 instead of shoehorning the FF copyright in since it's going to turn off both anyone who actually likes the Fantastic Four or knows what they're about, and the people who wanted more Chronicle, since they now have to deal with FF brand impurities being dumped into it.
I mean, not all comic films necessarily lose out by being loose adaptations and it worked out fine with Big Hero 6 but that's because the source material sucked. FF has a lot of perfectly good stories none of which the film seems to want to touch with a ten-foot-pole.

>>42297
>If Trank wants to make Chronicle 2 then Fox should've let him make Chronicle 2

Nothing about the new Fantastic Four film resembles Chronicles in any way.

>>42298
We will see when it finally gets released.

>>42299
>>42302
Prometheus was pretty great visually, imo.

So advance screenings of Age of Ultron are pretty positive. Key point so far is it's manages to assemble the clusterfuck of plot, characters and HAPPENING together in spite of it all, and most importantly Whedon's really made up for shafting Hawkeye in the first one.

>>42306
Whedon has nothing to do with this one, also whether intentional or not good pun.

Haven't watched Daredevil yet, but I'm hearing comparisons to Batman Begins, which is good. Also Sin City for its noir presentation and 300 for its over-the-top violence.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/daredevil-review-netflix-what-critics-787533

>>42308
"DAREDEVIL- It's like other things that were also based on Frank Miller comics"

>>42307
Really? From what I heard Whedon's had way more control over Age of Ultron compared to the first film which had a lot of executive mandates and the like.

I too started watching Daredevil.
First impressions? (half way in ep.02)

Very Arrow.
I like it!

>>42311
Also the red glasses light effect on his face is fucking cool.
And the fights are even better.

Finished episode one of Daredevil. It's everything Powers tried to be but failed miserably at.

It's a compelling superhero crime drama set in a gritty and believable world. The cinematography even puts some of Marvel Studios' most popular films to shame. Really love how the first episode subtly introduces Matt Murdock's powers, without explicitly explaining it. The ending was a nice upbeat closure that quickly soured by the harsh reality of life. Great note to end the pilot on, as it demonstrated Murdock's job as a lawyer and hero has only just begun.

After watching three episodes, the only major problem I'm seeing is that the show is deliberately avoiding the use of guns against DD. Sans the cold opening in episode one. It could be excused in a kids show, but it sticks out as a regular program. As cool as the fight scene at the end of episode two, it was unbelievable that none of the thugs were armed.

http://badassdigest.com/2015/04/09/markus-mcfeely-will-write-infinity-war/

So in addition to the Russos directing Infinty War, the writers for both Cap films and Agent Carter will also be doing them as well. I'm pretty happy about that since I always thought both Cap films had pretty good writing and Agent Carter showed they're also good with snappy dialogue as well.

>>42317
Not allowed to because lolsplitlicensing.

>>42314
>As cool as the fight scene at the end of episode two, it was unbelievable that none of the thugs were armed.

I literally just watched that episode, and two thugs had pistols, and another was armed with a shotgun. Matt even used their guns as improvised melee weapons.

>>42320
I must have missed it.

//youtube.com/watch?v=W7fYIMEQ1Xw

Alright, there were guns in this scene. Not sure how I missed it.

I'm very impressed that this is the introduction of Marvel Streets essentially.

>>42323
I like that they're keeping it separate from the films. The idea of superhero secret identities is kind of a tired one especially when dealing with movies which only have two hours to tell their story, so imagine how fucking jazzed I was at the ending of the first Iron Man.

>>42324
Well most Avengers don't operate under secrets. So it works for them.

People really do not like what they did with the Kingpin.

Also Gentrification is a really good premise for a villain.

>>42332
I've only seen a glimpse of Kingpin, but from what I'm hearing, he's actually a three-dimensional character. A bad guy that doesn't believe he's a bad guy. He wants to protect his city and the woman in his life. Has self-doubts, along with a traumatic background.

From this alone, this sounds like the most fascinating villain from Marvel Studios, outside of Loki who only had charisma.

>>42332
How so? Most people say he's the greatest villain in the MCU yet.

>>42336
>>42335
/co/'s reaction, I like it actually, Gentrification is a great and controversial motive, most of the hate seems to stem from following his romance.

Has Kingpin bear hugged anyone yet?

//youtube.com/watch?v=Oq8kPo3tyGY

Spoilers in this link.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/45915/20150413/5-ways-daredevil-netflix-differs-marvel-tv-series-movies.htm

The point about the superheroes and supervillians not really being super needs to be emphasized, as Marvel tried to play off complaints about Agent of Shield as people whining about no super-powered beings in the show. You don't need anyone shooting lasers out of their eyes; just compelling and authentic characters. Something the first season of Agent of Shield lacked.

>>42337
/co/ is just being it's usual racist shit self.

How much does it cost to watch all of the Daredevil episodes btw?

>>42341
Netflix subscription is $8.99 a month. There's a free trial month for first time subscribers.

>>42332
>People really do not like what they did with the Kingpin.

I've yet to see anything but praise for what D'Onofrio did with the character. Hell, most people put him as the strongest performance in a show full of great acting.

>>42340
Racism? But both Fisk and Vanessa are white, I think I am missing something.

>>42343
Is it possible to cancel and renew your subscription on and off? Such as if I want to watch one show, hold off for the next six months until something worthwhile comes up, then marathon everything after that? Or would I have to create a new account each time?

>>42346
If you are such a cheapo, pirate that stuff already.

You gotta get deep before you see a costume.

Uh, so what the hell was the Black Sky?

>>42349
Explaining that would take a REALLY long time and involve a lot of guesswork, so my advice is to wait for the Netflix Ironfist show they are setting up.

The short answer is it's something Ironfist based that no one is clear on yet.

>>42350
Ooooh I did not know that. Since it's tied with Iron Fist, I guess the kid had something supernatural going on.

>>42351
Seems too much like Guardians of the Galaxy aside from the train bit which is actually kind of funny.

>>42353
Its got that whole strength thing going saw him punching and stuff tiny size. Looks pretty awesome.

>>42345
Vanessa is played by an Israeli which is a /pol/magnet.

The Costume is a little too much black and complication but for a first iteration it's pretty good.

>>42349
Considering what's coming up and Winter Soldier, I was guessing Inhuman or something.

>>42358
Damn, never noticed until now how similar Spader and RDJ's voices sound to each other. I can really see how Ultron is his MCU father's son in multiple ways.

Also, "evil plan"? I know he's just trying to be snarky but it comes off as a little tryhard since the entire premise of the Maximoff twins working with him is because they think he's in the right.

>>42360
What the fuck? How can you know about Kwannon and still have a problem with this? She was born white, Olivia Munn is a fine choice, there is enough horrendous casting choices in this world that you don't have to take issue with one that has done absolutely nothing wrong.

Man, the reaction to the Purple Man doing his thing is going to be something to behold. I doubt Netfilix is going to downgrade what a vile asshole he can be.

>>42367
Tumblr implosion will be hilarious.

>>42366
He might turn actually purple down the line, although more likely he's just going to dress it.

>>42360
I just don't like her because she was terrible and not funny at all on The Daily Show.

//youtube.com/watch?v=O6otJBt3Wlc

CGI, nah we got a perfectly good car right here.

//youtube.com/watch?v=IG0AzVJEVww

Really I am enjoying watching this shoot. Next Year cannot come fast enough.

Lots of Ryan in the suit now.

>>42385
The avengers are a whole group of men in silly costumes, plus one of them is a god and the other is a big green monster.

https://youtu.be/jbcNTCoxD8g

We finally get a proper glimpse of Doctor Doom.

>>42439
//youtube.com/watch?v=jbcNTCoxD8g

Now with properly embedded link.

//youtube.com/watch?v=_rRoD28-WgU

Found one.

From that trailer, it seems that Ben never wears pants after the transformation.

>>42443
I'll be honest, kinda impressed because my standards were lower than rock bottom. there is promise here especially from the actors, and hey, at least it understands these movies need charm unlike what DC shits out.

>>42443

Only problem I've gotten is at the end. Ben is doing a air drop and not one utterance of "Its Clobbering Time" Just a gag on how Reed missing the timing.

>>42443
It's not really giving me any hope but at the same time there's nothing particularly cringeworthy from it either. It might be a decent film, even if all things are continuing to point to it being bad as a Fantastic Four adaptation.

>>42450
I thought it was a guy speaking through a robot filter until he actually showed up on screen.

>>42450
Ol Freddy from the rib joint? Hell yeah.

Also, I'm actually really looking forward to this since I started seeing Miles Teller in other spots.

Dear Fox, please stop trying to make the Fantastic 4 a thing, love Rodyle.

>>42461
Fantastic Four has always been a thing, one of the biggest things in all of comics, Fox just fucks up every single time they touch them.

>>42463

Fox owns X-Men, too, right?

Because while there have been a few stinkers in the X-films, even the worst of that franchise is still a damn sight better than any of Fox's Fantastic Four efforts. I'd legit rather watch The Last Stand or The Wolverine than any of the F4 movies.

>>42463
>>42461
Thing is, someone else already beat them to making the perfect Fantastic Four movie. And it was called The Incredibles.

Age of Ultron reviews are slowly pouring in. I enjoyed reading these two:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2015/04/tr_review_avengers_age_of_ultron_is_the_iron_man_2.php

http://www.indiewire.com/article/review-avengers-age-of-ultron-is-proof-we-dont-need-more-avengers-movies-20150421

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/daredevil-season-2-netflix-showrunners-1201477067/

Daredevil season two is a-go.

>>42468
Why, schadenfreude? As much as you're probably salivating over the negativity I highly doubt the DC films are going to be any better.

I will say, that from the few reviews I've read, Age of Ultron does open the possibility of more character-driven, political stories. Which isn't a huge surprise, considering the Civil War build up. But it's understandable why the Russo brothers are taking over directing duties for the third film, as they demonstrated they can merge blockbuster and politics beautifully in The Winter Soldier.

>>42474
I'm don't even care about Marvel/DC wars so I don't need their shitty fanboy circlejerks to tell me your opinions are worthless. The Steven Universe threads already took care of that.

>>42474
Those reviews basically confirm the film will suffer from the exact problems I've been complaining about for a while now. No surprise or disappointment here. But when you're the only person who's still genuinely excited for the DCCU here and aside from FF even your positive posts about competitors sound so begrudged it makes you sound a little fanboyish yourself. And I'm the one telling everyone else to give the DCCU a chance before the new BvS trailer sapped what was left of my excitement. I'm still hoping they'll turn out good after all, but if they suck I'm not going to enjoy reading people complain about it because I'm not an asshole.

From what I'm hearing of other people the big standouts for the film are Hawkeye, Vision (no surprise), and Ultron. And apparently Natasha and Bruce's romance is pulled off better than people expected, though I'm still super wary on that.

>>42474
You say that as if it's only limited to Marvel fans. Nolanbats fans are just as bad, maybe even worse considering Rotten Tomatoes had to turn off comments for The Dark Knight Rises because of them.

>>42477
>But when you're the only person who's still genuinely excited for the DCCU

"Excited" is too strong of a word. I am well aware of the faults with WB/DC and none of my posts has ever hid that. I don't see why I need to state disappointment with Man of Steel or Batman v Superman, when criticizing a Marvel Studios film. Or, linking to criticism. Especially when far more cynical things have been said here about non-Marvel Studios film without anyone batting an eye.

>>42483
Jumpman, buddy, I don't really have anything against you, but you are certainly the last who should be talking about being cynical and biased. It's one of the cons of identifying yourself with a name on a largerly anonymous board, you have to carry on your shoulders all the stuff you have said. It is a fact that most of your posts on the matter seem to be highly negative towards Marvel, and even when you were positive on the Daredevil show, you HAD to invent something against the show. If it was involuntary on your side, it shows that you are overly critical to the point of your mind playing trickls on you. And look, you were practically saying "I am happy because these two Avengers reviews say it is no good". It is a noticeable trend on your part, sorry but it is.

>>42484
>even when you were positive on the Daredevil show, you HAD to invent something against the show.

I made a mistake. I acknowledged that and posted proof that I made a mistake. Believe it or not, people can make honest mistakes.

And even if it was legit, how does ONE complaint that take away from my overall enjoyment of Daredevil?

>And look, you were practically saying "I am happy because these two Avengers reviews say it is no good"

Try actually reading my posts, instead of putting words in my mouth. I shared two reviews I enjoyed reading and that's all. Didn't even make any comment on the film itself, based on those reviews. Nor did I say those two reviews defined the general reception of the new film.

>>42485
>"I am happy because these two Avengers reviews say it is no good"
Considering there's at least two or three of us who got that same impression from you, it might be you who has the communication problem.

For what's worth I've never seen Jumpman as being a DC fanboy, just very negative (to the point of being a bit obsessed) at everything Marvel for whatever reason.

>>42489
I don't doubt it would be a cool film, perhaps much better than the one we are getting, but the fact that Wrigth accomodated so many things about the character to fit his vision, makes me wonder how it could be said that it was going to be the "most marvel" ever. It's like the NolanBats trilogy, prettty damn good films, but I would not call them the "most DC" either.

>>42490


Also, if Whedon really, REALLY wanted to support Wright, well... he could have said Disney "let him do Ant-Man his way, or I am not going to direct Avengers 2". That would have me>>42490
ant so much more than just taking a pic of that cornetto wrapper.

>>42489
Wasn't part of it that he dragged his feet for so long that it was disrupting the whole MCU. Its he reason we didn't have Hank and Janet in the Avengers.

>>42492
Yes, although in fairness his friend was dying of cancer so he kind of had to sideline it. I'm still upset about Hank and Janet (mostly Janet) getting sidelined though. That part is entirely his doing.

>>42470
I hope we see Elektra.

>A lot of people come back in The Winter Soldier. It’s a grand Marvel tradition. Bucky was supposed to die. And the Coulson thing was, I think, a little anomalous just because that really came from the television division, which is sort of considered to be its own subsection of the Marvel universe. As far as the fiction of the movies, Coulson is dead.

http://mentalfloss.com/uk/movies/28527/qa-joss-whedon-on-super-heroes-the-pop-culture-mainstream

And this illustrate some of the problems in creating a shared universe. In an earlier interview I posted, Whedon talked about how he planned to get more involved with AOS, but backed off when Marvel decided to integrate it more with the movie universe. Specifically, with The Winter Soldier and the SHIELD breakup. It's likely one of the reasons why Whedon is ready to leave the Marvel Universe (for now, at least) and have more creative control on his own projects. In fairness, he did say he enjoyed his time at Marvel.

This isn't just a Marvel thing, though. It's happening with WB/DC too. With Deadshot getting the ax on Arrow, so WB can promote the movie version.

>>42515
Generally the WB has a way worse issues with this sort of thing because their notion of branding is so draconian, they have no faith in people's ability to distinguish one series from another, not just with DC but just about everything they've touched, if one plan exists they tear everything else apart.

>>42518
Yeah, like the Bat Embargo.

>>42518
Such as? I can't remember any other series with such an expanded universe off the top of my head.

>>42515
I wish WB and all the other guys would hold off on trying to rush themselves into a Cinematic Universe deal and just focus on making strong solo films first. I want them to do well (it's something Marvel fans should want too, because proper competition keeps everyone in shape) but they have their priorities on ass-backwards.

WSJ article about Marvel's success with The Avengers and its focus on character over celebrities.

>But no company has eschewed A-list talent as consistently and effectively in the modern age as Marvel. All but one of its 10 films released so far have been hits, a record rivaled only by Pixar Animation Studios. And none have featured a major star or established action director.

>Money is a key reason, say people who have done business with Marvel. The Disney subsidiary’s chief executive, Ike Perlmutter, is notoriously frugal and doesn’t believe that the millions rivals like Warner Bros. spend to get big-name stars like Ben Affleck and Will Smith are worth it.

>“They are in the business of hiring the guy who hasn’t had a big success, because they don’t have to pay that guy very much,” said Mr. Whedon, adding that he made more money on his self-produced Internet series “Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog” than he did directing the first “Avengers,” which cost $230 million to produce and grossed $1.5 billion world-wide.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/avengers-age-of-ultron-kicks-off-the-summer-1429801731?tesla=y

Hulk is truly alone in the Cinematic Universe and Box Office performance.

>>42530
I think it actually works to their advantage from a storytelling perspective, because with less famous actors audiences' perceptions of a character aren't going to be as colored by their past roles in the way American Psycho viewers might be laughing their asses off over Batdubs, or any Depp role and Edward Scissorhands/Jack Sparrow.

>>42532
I'm already having this issue with Deadshot and Fresh Prince/WELCOME TO URF/Goddomit Fronk, and a little bit with Hank Pym as Gordon Gecko (but that's because I'm old). But depending on who it is that's not always a bad thing either. It worked for Robert Redford as Alexander Pierce.

>>42530
The problem with The Hulk is that they are afraid of him being the Hulk, so he can't actually hurt anyone and therefore his otherside doesn't really do anything wrong and instead has the "Gentile giant" PG side going on.

It works kinda okay in The Avengers but with no real tension from what is the central flaw of his character his movies are doomed to fail and fail and fail until they finally give his stories some teeth.

>>42534
The problem is Hulk isn't a very interesting character by nature once his novelty wears off. Even in the comics he usually did his best in ensemble series because he has someone to bounce off of. There is the actually pretty good Peter David run, but I don't really see that getting adapted. And while Planet/WW Hulk have done a lot to save his character we aren't going to see those arcs either for blatantly obvious practicality reasons.

>>42530
How is RDJ not a major star? Or, wait, was he a very minor star when he did Iron Man after the rehab and that catapulted his career? Anyway, as long as they continue picking up talent for cheap, that's great. If they start using poor actors to save money, that's a problem. Starring in such highly-anticipated films for cheap also works great for the actors; Chris Pratt was extremely minor (I only knew him from Parks & Rec) until GotG, and now he's in freaking everything. (And he seems like a pretty awesome guy, so I'm glad it worked out so well.) The Lego Movie probably helped, too, but he was only a voice actor there.

>>42533
Yeah. I don't think that Will Smith will be bad in the role, but it's going to be hard seeing him as just the character rather than something building off his past roles.

>>42537
He was a highly acclaimed actor back in the day but his drug history made him a toxic asset at the time Iron Man came out. It took a lot of convincing on Jon Favreau's part before he was considered. And unlike a certain person who tried to spin it off this way last thread I don't see this as yet another sign of how insidious Disney or Marvel are, it's completely understandable if a little close-minded why the higher-ups were so hesitant against casting him from a business perspective.

>>42539
Ya nobody wants a Cory Monteith situation on their hands.

So, Agent Carter is kill, right?

>>42581
Unknown said to be decided in May.

>>42581
I've heard it has quite a decent chance of getting renewed.

>>42583
Which is cool for something that I heard was just a short series to start with. Maybe we'll see where the whole HYDRA bit started within SHIELD.

Saw Age of Ultron today.

Kicked ass but dont have the wow factor from the first one.

>>42585

As per usual with comic events. Hope it has a good opening on Friday.

>>42587
So Tony isn't the bad guy then? I'm confused. Also I'm not sure how they'll pull off the mask without it looking super dumb unless it's a "symbolic" thing like David Tennant as the Purple Man.

>>42587
I am really happy with that casting, and I really hope that they pull off Zemo well. Like pull off the Jerk with a heart of Jerk that does good for bad reasons that Busiek and Nicieza really set him up as.

But I continue to be really antsy about Cap 3 being Civil War because Civil War was complete garbage. And I don't know how they'll turn that mess into something worthwhile.

Also, losing Evans as Captain America will be a huge blow.

>>42590
Evans has said he's willing to continue appearing in films past Infinity War so they might not.

Also it's likely that most of the superheroes outside of Cap's own crew will only appear for 5-10 minutes tops, and they'll just focus on the philosophical conflict between Tony and Steve (without turning Tony into a Nazi.

Right now I'm more worried that they might waste Zemo or turn him into a one-off figure like they did with Malekith and Ronan. I've heard good things about Ultron though so they might be learning.

Avengers World Rap:

//youtube.com/watch?v=6OmQ7BnvWDU

Seen all of Daredevil now.
Its good.

>>42641
That is probably the most accurate costume I've seen in X-men so far. She's just missing the shades.

>>42641
Jubilee a cute. I approve of this casting.

>>42641

This is excellent, yes.

Do we have any idea of what the plot is going to be yet, beyond Mutants vs. Mutants, Big Powerful Bad Guy comes around and turns some of the heroic mutants evil and it's up to the heroes to stop him? First Class and DOFP were good because they were primarily character studies as opposed to focusing on action or fights (even if some of the "emotional" moments in DOFP were a bit cheeseball) but it's going to be trickier to pull that off with Apocalypse.

Just watched Avengers Part Deux.

Movie kicked ass, but that's not why I am posting this.

There was a mid-credits scene, but nothing post-credits. Did my theater screw up or that's how it really is?

>>42651
Yes, there is no post-credits scene for this movie. They were saying this for like a month but apparently a lot of people are still really confused or forget about that so they must not have done a good job communicating that.

>>42651

Whedon himself said he didn’t want to try topping the shawarma bit from Avengers 1, so they stuck with the mid-credits stinger.

I'm hearing some mixed opinions about Age of Ultron from people compared to the first. Hearing a lot of anger from Winter Soldier fans but I honestly think a lot of it boils down to buttdevastated Steve/Bucky shippers mad that Bucky didn't appear or that the film has more Steve/Tony "teases" for mindnumbingly-obvious reasons rather than legitimate complaints (of which I'm sure there are plenty).

>>42654
Am I the only one who didn't think it was that great? It could've easily been beaten by a more plot-meaty scene. Go for the Winter Soldier post-credits scene, rather than the Guardians of the Galaxy one.

>>42656
It could have been better with some comradery and small talk. Cap looking bored utterly and it being so silent kills it for me.

>>42655
I ignore that stuff since that is the same crowd that fawns over Loki incessantly.

>>42661
Loki really isn't all that great even. In either looks or in writing. He was OK in Thor 1 and pretty decent in Thor 2 (we don't talk about the abomination that was Avengers Loki) but most of the supposedly "interesting" aspects of him come from meta and 90% of that is literally pulled out of the fangirls' asses, or another orifice of theirs.

>>42661
Cap was like that because Chris Evans grew his beard out for another film, I think Snowpiercer? He had to wear a face prosthetic to hide it and hold still.

http://chezapocalypse.com/episodes/the-avengers-between-the-lines/

Kenneth Branagh brought more of his background with Shakespeare to Thor than I realized, beyond just Odin being Space King Lear. Thor and Loki are two halves of Coriolanus.

>>42664
Makes sense. Tom Hiddleston is a classically trained actor and apparently there were some nasty incidents where he got mobbed by psychotic fangirls after a performance specifically as Coriolanus.

>>42671
Mark Ruffalo is a swell dude.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/05/01/spider-man-actor-andrew-garfield-got-himself-fired-from-series-by-insulting-sony-chief

Looks like those Sony Emails are cleaning the slate for everyone.

>>42680
>The Social Network, to my mind, is the Citizen Kane of the 21st Century, a film that social historians hundreds of years from now will point to as one of the most emblematic of our era.

Calm down there, Kaz.

>>42681

Eh, Kaz wasn’t the only one saying such things. He just got paid the most for saying them.

>>42681
Fancy way of saying how shallow and hollow this era has been.

>>42680
SONY WAS THE ONLY ONE GOING TO BAT FOR YOU MORON!

>>42680
This is old news, isn't it? He got invited to personally 'hang out' with a big sony guy, and he refused at the last second.
Pissed a lot of guys off.

"You know I've always supported your Avenging" is right up there with "You know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning?" in bad movie lines. Unsurprisingly, both came from Joss Whedon. For a man that writes characters in a singular snarky voice, I'm surprised that line was delivered with a straight face.

>>42688
I feel like Whedon thinks he's a lot more clever than he really is. The first film's dialogue was OK aside from a few really terrible lines but there's so much of it this time around that the script comes off as tryhard. Still a solid movie, but I'm glad the Captain America guys are taking over from him.