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MCU General 3: Infinity War

So another trailer for Age of Ultron is supposed to hit this afternoon. Also it looks like Hulk/Black Widow is now a thing, to the delight of seemingly just about nobody.
No.42076
Anonymous
Forcing her into it all just makes people cringe
No.42077
Jumpman
>>42072
Can't stop me from funposting.

//youtube.com/watch?v=UngE0qn3VRYyoutube thumb
No.42079
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Heads up. New trailer comin’ through.

//youtube.com/watch?v=JAUoeqvedMoyoutube thumb
No.42080
Anonymous
>>42079
Looks a lot more interesting than the first two, but I'm not really digging the sepia filter than seems to be over everything. It worked better for Captain America 1.
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Really digging how they pulled off Vision so far.
No.42085
Anonymous
Replies:>>42088
Noticed Quicksilver wasn't in the final battle around the big circle. I've heard some rumbling about how Whedon's going to have him killed off to subvert the whole Stuffed in the Fridge cliche but I'd have hoped someone like him was mature enough to realize that fridging in general is usually a bad idea to begin with and frequently a sign of bad writing, even if it was more equal-opportunity.
No.42088
Anonymous
>>42085
No idea how true it is but Joss Whedon just isn't nearly as good of a writer as his fans hype him up to be. Hell, for all the acclaim he gets about writing female characters, I don't think the way he wrote Black Widow in Avengers 1 was interesting at all so some of the praise she got (and subsequent bashing of others like Peggy for supposedly "stealing her thunder") really baffles me.

Sure, Whedon's Black Widow avoided common pitfalls of female character writing by being a competent fighter and spy, wasn't defined by romance/sex, wasn't a total block of wood (but then again everyone in Avengers is some kind of snarky so her being a snarker hardly counts), and had some degree of angst over her generic dark past so she's not a Mary Sue or flawless goddess to be held on a pedestal. However, that alone doesn't make a good character, and Widow is pretty damn vanilla. One could argue that female representation really is so poor that we should rally around her because she's the best we can get in, but is that really so? I feel like it's a bad strawman and people just aren't looking hard enough for other better female characters.

Now the Widow we saw in The Winter Soldier, her I would like to see a film about. There she was flirty and underhanded, but also lonely and self-doubting beneath her veneer of overconfidence, and so on. A female "strong character", as the goal should be, not the bland archetype in Avengers 1.
No.42089
Anonymous
Replies:>>42090
>>42088
It was cool in the 90s and 00s because back then he was doing something novel. More capable writers have emerged since then, but a lot of people grew up on his stuff like Buffy and Firefly so they still have residual fondness for him. Simple as that.
No.42090
Anonymous
>>42089
I'm pretty sure more people saw the Avengers than saw Buffy and Firefly combined, even counting the people who saw both twice.
No.42091
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>42095
>>42088

Part of the issue with Avengers!Widow is that Whedon had to balance what amounted to four starring roles (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk) with the main antagonist (Loki) and three major supporting characters (Widow, Hawkeye, and Fury) within a two-hour film. There just wasn't enough time for Whedon to have given Widow any major characterization beyond what he did. Winter Soldier could afford the time for Widow, and as you said, it did a damn good job in developing her character.

And yes, Whedon is pretty hit-and-miss when it comes to female characters. But let's not pretend that Avengers had the room necessary to give Black Widow any meaningful characterization. He did the best he could within the limits of a two-hour flick where...well, no one but Tony Stark and Bruce Banner got any sort of meaningful characterization, really.
No.42095
Anonymous
Replies:>>42097
>>42091
Avengers was fun but Whedon dropped the ball on nearly everyone in that film. Cap and Thor became hollow shells of themselves. Tony gets away with the snark because it's already in his nature as a wisecracker plus RDJ had a lot of leeway in adlibbing, but his arc was extremely cookiecutter. Banner is the only character I was really impressed with, and even then a lot of it comes from Ruffalo's performance. Fucking Loki who the fangirls praise to high heavens threw away all his characterization in Thor 1 to become a completely charmless generic villain spouting generic villain lines like he was quoting from a handbook. It took TDW to undo the damage and give him back some sense of nuance.

I'm kind of glad Whedon isn't directing any more Avengers films after this. He's not terrible, but he's better off just sticking to writing duties while someone else like the Russo brothers oversee the whole thing. I have faith in them that TWS wasn't just a fluke.
No.42097
Anonymous
Replies:>>42098
>>42095
I don't think it was really clear the degree to which characterization was lacking in the Avengers until Guardians of the Galaxy came along and managed to develop and make the audience care about every member of the team in a single movie, without needing lead in solo movies first.
No.42098
Anonymous
>>42097
I'd have to disagree about whether Guardians of the Galaxy did a good job in that regard, but Avengers' problem was that everyone felt less like proper characters and more like vehicles for action and Whedon's snark. Even if I thought Avengers was the funnier movie, at least the GotG cast felt like actual people.
No.42099
Anonymous
Honestly, most of my gripes with Whedon veer more towards the visual angle.
Like, hell - if the whole movie had looked this good maybe I'd focus on the writing, but so far I'm good:

//youtube.com/watch?v=DYYlYnT1CZgyoutube thumb
No.42102
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42099

That video.

That's the good shit, my friend.
No.42104
Anonymous
Replies:>>42105
>>42099
What was so bad about it? It's been a while since I last watched it but I don't remember anything particularly wrong with it.
No.42105
Anonymous
>>42104
That video there was a collection of every good shot in the movie, and even then, they didn't last more than two seconds. And the movie didn't even fill out the video so they had to use Cap 1.

Whedon is not good with visuals, or cinematography, or effective lighting. He's the anti-Fincher.
No.42106
Jumpman
Replies:>>42107
This is the greatest scene ever.

//youtube.com/watch?v=9g0bmCPFsi8youtube thumb
No.42107
Anonymous
Replies:>>42108
>>42106
Is that thing actually worth watching or is it as good as we'll get?
No.42108
Jumpman
>>42107
Never seen it myself, but Patton Oswalt is a vocal supporter of the film.

http://pattonoswalt.com/index.cfm?page=spew&id=90

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/punisher-war-zone/
No.42109
Anonymous
Replies:>>42112
I am fully expecting that this whole Widow/Banner thing will be a red herring, and she is just jokingly teasing with Banner to mess him up a bit.
No.42112
Anonymous
Replies:>>42113
>>42109
That or it's a one-sided thing and Bruce fell for her since she's the first person to bring him out of isolation. He doesn't really seem like her type and wouldn't have known her long enough to get through to her.
No.42113
Jumpman
>>42112
Judging by the original trailer summary, Black Widow is interested in Bruce, but he doesn't want to commit because of the Hulk.

>Well, in the party scene at Avengers Tower, we discover that Banner and Black Widow kinda have a thing for each other. Banner is afraid to consummate anything with her for fear of hulking out and hurting her. He doesn't trust himself.

...

>Banner and Black Widow are definitely into each other. Very Buffy and Angel stuff. Very Joss Whedon.

http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-avengers-age-of-ultron-early-story-details-revealed
No.42114
Anonymous
//youtube.com/watch?v=ZdNK8L3ZdmEyoutube thumb
Second Daredevil trailer is out. Too early to call but fights look pretty brutal, nice.
No.42121
Anonymous
Replies:>>42123
>>42113
>Banner is afraid to consummate anything with her for fear of hulking out
Its like theyre acknowledging the porn...
Replies:>>42124
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>>42121
Indeed. I think Whedon is like the one person on the planet who ships those two together. I knew it wasn't going to be popular but the amount of negativity towards it by just about everybody on every site is mindblowing. Even the "wait and see" reactions tend to be "hopefully it's a brief fling and nothing comes of it in the end".
No.42124
Anonymous
Replies:>>42125
>>42123
There's a strong contingent on the internet lately that is categorically opposed to any acknowledgement in fiction that romance and attraction is a thing that exists and that drives people.
No.42125
Anonymous
Replies:>>42126
>>42124
Oh no they like that, they just don't like Widow getting specifically with Banner and vice versa. The prevailing sentiment is people would rather the two get with just about anyone else except for each other.
No.42126
Anonymous
Replies:>>42127
>>42125
Even Bruce/Hawkeye and Natasha/Thor?
No.42127
Anonymous
>>42126
Actually yeah. Bruce/Hawkeye is pretty fucking huge. They even call it Hulkeye. And Natasha/Thor has a lot of fans even though I don't think they ever talked one-on-one.
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I don't really remember seeing anyone smoke in a Marvel movie. Except X-Men, but that's Fox.

Does Marvel Comics still have the anti-smoking rule?
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No.42129
Anonymous
>>42128
Did Dum-Dum smoke in either of the Cap movies? I can't remember.
No.42130
Anonymous
>>42129
There was a lot of hooch for his appearances in Agent Carter, but I don't recall him smoking during that. Can't remember in the Cap movies.
No.42131
Anonymous
Replies:>>42147
>>42129
Not sure, though I don't think this no smoking rule is going to change things in any way.
No.42147
Anonymous
Replies:>>42148
>>42131
Just be smart about it. Like Constantine does for most the time with smoking interrupts. Either the cig gets soaked,crushed etc.
No.42148
Anonymous
Replies:>>42149
>>42147
Yeah but there's not much point in showing characters smoking in the first place anyway. Even in the case of villains or antiheroes there are usually better ways to convey that kind of characterization without needing cigarettes.
No.42149
Anonymous
>>42148
Yeah, but it makes them look so cool.
No.42150
Anonymous
You know, I am not completely against the whole Widow/Banner thing. I mean, it is interesting that in a team of hunks she would be attracted to the brainy guy. Or perhaps she is actually attracted to the Hulk, who knows!

On the other hand, it is cool to have a female action hero whose entire point wasn't getting involved into a romantic relationship with one of the heroes. Her broing up (sis-ing up?) with Hawkeye and Cap without any awkward romantic tension was a great thing to watch.
No.42152
Anonymous
//youtube.com/watch?v=OSFEboLhq44youtube thumb
Looks like they're having Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver do the accent thing. This could be a cool touch, or it could be the most annoying fucking thing ever. We'll just have to see.
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What the hell are these?
No.42155
Anonymous
Replies:>>42156
>>42154
Magnets?
No.42156
Jumpman
>>42154
>>42155
How do they work?
No.42157
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42154

I would assume they're some form of magnets, with the corresponding halves placed on the back of his shield.
No.42162
Anonymous
Replies:>>42163
>>42154
Cap actually had something similar in the comics and called them "transistors". Iirc they're mocked by pretty much everyone as having been a bad idea so I wonder why they included them in AoU
No.42163
Anonymous
>>42162
Beats Werewolf Cap.
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/27/8300753/here-is-ryan-reynolds-in-the-official-deadpool-costume
No.42197
Anonymous
>>42185
>follows hello kitty

I do adore the mercenary.
No.42198
Anonymous
>>42185
Looks so tacky IRL. Which is absolutely perfect and how it should be.
No.42201
Anonymous
Replies:>>42203
So he's already popped up in Cartoons, do you think he could appear in television?
No.42203
Anonymous
>>42201
Who, Deadpool? I think Marvel still has the rights to X-Men for TV series, which is why people want Fox and Marvel to reach a compromise over it. Maybe not necessarily bringing the X-Men back to the MCU because I think that's just an all-around bad idea for the lore the MCU is trying to build, but a halfway solution that lets them crossover a bit and Marvel can use the word "mutants" again.
No.42204
Anonymous
Replies:>>42205
>>42203
Honestly, while I would like to see Marvel handle X-Men, I don't want the mutants and the rest of the Marvel Universe to be the same universe. Even in comics. Maybe it's fine for situations like Marvel vs. Capcom or the occasional rare universe-hopping crossover event, but the whole store of the X-Men works better in a world without people who are effectively mutants other than by arbitrary distinctions, like Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four. Those characters not facing the same sort of racism that mutants face sort of hamstrings the central conceit of the X-books, and puts the non-X heroes in an awkward position of being obligated to have strains of anti-mutant bigotry that make no real sense when the only difference between mutants and them is whether they were born with their mutations or mutated due to outside influence.
No.42205
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42204

And the Inhumans fall under a weird mix of both categories, in that their "mutations" already exist in their DNA but require an outside "trigger" to manifest.
No.42206
Anonymous
>>42203
I'd like to see him in AoS just for the reason they've got HYDRA in the mix and they could have a cameo adventure with him. HYDRA tried to ambush him to get the Healing Factor secrets from his body. He kidnapped one of theirs instead and is riding around with Bob in tow. Ends with Coulson getting a postcard from Deadpool he just shakes his head and drops it in a drawer filled with them. Maybe ending with the comment "Should have never given him that badge."
No.42214
Anonymous
So Hugh Jackman's planning on retiring as Wolverine soon. He's had a good run while it's lasted, and it'll finally be the chance for other, more interesting characters to get the chance to shine.
No.42215
Anonymous
>>42214
I just hope we see him reprise his role 30 years from now for Old Man Logan...
No.42216
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>42225
>>42214

Now you gotta wonder which film will be his last: X-Men: Apocalypse or another Wolverine.

If it’s the former, they can always use Apocalypse’s bullshit to sorta ‘reset’ Wolverine and get a younger(/cheaper) actor to play him from there on out. If it’s the latter, they could grey up his hair and do a film adaptation of Old Man Logan.
No.42217
Anonymous
>>42214
>it'll finally be the chance for other, more interesting characters to get the chance to shine.

I have a hard time believing anyone would think that they wouldn't just recast Marvel's Batman. Because, y'know, Wolverine is Marvel's Batman, and the money draw, Huge Ackman or not.
No.42225
Anonymous
>>42216
Probably Wolverine 2, since he's apparently finishing up in 2017 or so and Apocalype is coming out in 2016.
No.42238
Anonymous
>>42236
>>42237
Best stuff.
No.42239
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>42240
>>42237

Damn, that suit looks nice in motion.
No.42240
Anonymous
>>42239
I'll admit the CG and photo made me a bit worried, but it looks much nicer here. And I guess the suit looking a little awkward in real life would just add to the charm.
No.42241
Anonymous
Replies:>>42243
Some comments "Who's Slater/Jessie?"

Thanks for making me feel old.
No.42242
Anonymous
Ryan Reynolds 6.2 Canadian
Wade Wilson 6.2 Canadian

I think someone found their synchronicity point.

Also that was him in the suit. They are gonna mocap to animate his facial area. Should be sweet.
No.42243
Anonymous
>>42241
Fuck those kids, they're not old enough to see it in theaters anyway.
No.42244
Anonymous
Replies:>>42245
http://comicbook.com/2015/04/01/spoiler-free-review-daredevil-will-heighten-your-senses/
Apparently the Daredevil miniseries is getting a lot of pretty good reviews, especially for the fights. I feel like comparing it to Nolan Bats isn't as high of a bar as people think it is, considering how terrible TDKR was and how bad the fight scenes were.
No.42245
Jumpman
>>42244
The fight scenes are one of the few things I agree were bad about Nolan Batman films.

In comparison to other superhero online shows, Daredevil doesn't have much to prove against the awfulness that is Powers.

Marvel seems to have learned much from the lackluster Agents of Shield, with Agent Carter and now Daredevil getting praised.
No.42258
Anonymous
Replies:>>42259
>>42245
Hell even Agents of SHIELD is a lot better these days. Arguable whether it's as good as Flash or the Arrow (before it went to shit), but Season 2 has been consistently solid so I guess they either learned or were just hamstrung out of their potential by executive mandate in the beginning.
No.42259
Anonymous
Replies:>>42260
>>42258
I think it's because Season 1 was far more about internal, non-superhuman people. Lots of character building, not a whole lot of powers. If they had someone with even a minor power on the team constantly from the start (like Pete Lattimer's "bad feeling" in Warehouse 13) it would have helped immensely.

Season 2 has a lot more focus on superpowers, especially with Skye in play now. Of course, Agent Carter had little in the way of super powers, but I think they wrote the intrigue much better and threw in enough Stark inventions to keep it interesting. Of course, Season 2 would not have happened without the world building done in Season 1, so even if it was a bit boring Season 1 was still useful.
No.42260
Anonymous
>>42259
Yea give more of a reason for them being a team that is mysterious.
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Looking pretty good
No.42279
Jumpman
Replies:>>42280
>>42278
The mo-cap eyes is an interesting addition. I hope the eye expressions are done subtly, as it could potentially stick out horribly. Really need to see it in motion.
No.42280
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Replies:>>42281
>>42279
They tested something like with the first Spider-Man movie, but abandoned it for being really creepy looking. Hopefully the last decade and a half of technology has fixed that.
No.42281
T4 was here
>>42280
And if not, having creepy eye may work for Deadpool.
Replies:>>42283
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Ward is as bland and uncompelling as an antagonist as he was when he was a good guy, and I wish the show could just concentrate on Hyde and on Almos's totally not arming himself up power play.

Also, I was really disappointed that Coulson's mystery backup wasn't Hawkeye. Because Hunter is basically just Hawkeye without a bow in terms of his role on the show, but I was still holding out hope that some element of Clint/Bobbie would make it to the show.
(Or more of Bobbie's comic book as hell story to make it to the show)
No.42283
Anonymous
>>42282
Probably contractual or scheduling stuff is keeping Renner out. I know they had to scrap a cameo for him in Winter Soldier because of that.
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Not bad.
No.42285
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42286
>>42284
Needs a little more Krueger but acceptable.
No.42286
Anonymous
>>42285
Well this may still be as its starting to ravage his system before he gets the healing factor implanted. And before he has his heart ripped from his chest and the dives into the deep end of the pool.

Really if his heart is torn from his chest and this doesn't start playing, there is a problem. //youtube.com/watch?v=CmXWkMlKFkIyoutube thumb
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Not sure if legit, but here's DD's final costume.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=118350
No.42289
Anonymous
>>42287
Too eyecancer-res to tell if it's any good but so far it seems on par with Flash's.
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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=43948
Replies:>>42295
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Somebody got way too scared Vision was too brightly colored to attract movie goes and DESATURATED THE FUCK OUT OF HIS POSTER.
No.42292
Jumpman
>>42287
Confirmed. Don't watch if you don't want to be spoiled for tomorrow's premier.

//youtube.com/watch?v=OiFj-A03UE4youtube thumb
No.42293
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42290
This is gonna be a spectacular train wreak.
No.42294
Anonymous
Replies:>>42296
>>42290
The aesthetics look Synder-esque but not in the good way.
No.42295
Anonymous
Replies:>>42296
>>42291
Coloration issues aside I'm really happy with the way Vision's design turned out for this movie. It hits the right balance between pragmatism and accuracy to the comics, and between artificial android and dude wearing a suit.
No.42296
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42299
>>42294
I saw comparisons to Prometheus which is even less favorable.

>>42295
The color is perfect, they just faded it on the poster because...colors scare Americans? I dunno.
No.42297
Anonymous
Replies:>>42298
They're not even trying to make the new Fantastic Four movie feel anything like the comics. If Trank wants to make Chronicle 2 then Fox should've let him make Chronicle 2 instead of shoehorning the FF copyright in since it's going to turn off both anyone who actually likes the Fantastic Four or knows what they're about, and the people who wanted more Chronicle, since they now have to deal with FF brand impurities being dumped into it.
I mean, not all comic films necessarily lose out by being loose adaptations and it worked out fine with Big Hero 6 but that's because the source material sucked. FF has a lot of perfectly good stories none of which the film seems to want to touch with a ten-foot-pole.
No.42298
Jumpman
Replies:>>42301
>>42297
>If Trank wants to make Chronicle 2 then Fox should've let him make Chronicle 2

Nothing about the new Fantastic Four film resembles Chronicles in any way.
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>>42296
>looks like Prometheus
FUck.
No.42301
Anonymous
>>42298
We will see when it finally gets released.
Replies:>>42305
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>>42299
Where is the lie though?
No.42305
Anonymous
>>42299
>>42302
Prometheus was pretty great visually, imo.
No.42306
Anonymous
Replies:>>42307
So advance screenings of Age of Ultron are pretty positive. Key point so far is it's manages to assemble the clusterfuck of plot, characters and HAPPENING together in spite of it all, and most importantly Whedon's really made up for shafting Hawkeye in the first one.
No.42307
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42310
>>42306
Whedon has nothing to do with this one, also whether intentional or not good pun.
No.42308
Jumpman
Haven't watched Daredevil yet, but I'm hearing comparisons to Batman Begins, which is good. Also Sin City for its noir presentation and 300 for its over-the-top violence.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/daredevil-review-netflix-what-critics-787533
No.42309
Anonymous
>>42308
"DAREDEVIL- It's like other things that were also based on Frank Miller comics"
No.42310
Anonymous
>>42307
Really? From what I heard Whedon's had way more control over Age of Ultron compared to the first film which had a lot of executive mandates and the like.
No.42311
T4 was here
Replies:>>42312
I too started watching Daredevil.
First impressions? (half way in ep.02)

Very Arrow.
I like it!
No.42312
T4 was here
>>42311
Also the red glasses light effect on his face is fucking cool.
And the fights are even better.
No.42313
Jumpman
Replies:>>42789
Finished episode one of Daredevil. It's everything Powers tried to be but failed miserably at.

It's a compelling superhero crime drama set in a gritty and believable world. The cinematography even puts some of Marvel Studios' most popular films to shame. Really love how the first episode subtly introduces Matt Murdock's powers, without explicitly explaining it. The ending was a nice upbeat closure that quickly soured by the harsh reality of life. Great note to end the pilot on, as it demonstrated Murdock's job as a lawyer and hero has only just begun.
No.42314
Jumpman
Replies:>>42320
After watching three episodes, the only major problem I'm seeing is that the show is deliberately avoiding the use of guns against DD. Sans the cold opening in episode one. It could be excused in a kids show, but it sticks out as a regular program. As cool as the fight scene at the end of episode two, it was unbelievable that none of the thugs were armed.
No.42315
Anonymous
http://badassdigest.com/2015/04/09/markus-mcfeely-will-write-infinity-war/

So in addition to the Russos directing Infinty War, the writers for both Cap films and Agent Carter will also be doing them as well. I'm pretty happy about that since I always thought both Cap films had pretty good writing and Agent Carter showed they're also good with snappy dialogue as well.
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Think AoS can get stronger, think they can have a one off episode with Deadpool and Coulson just for kicks?
No.42318
Anonymous
Replies:>>42319
>>42317
Not allowed to because lolsplitlicensing.
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>>42318

TV rights are a bit of a foggy area. He's already showed up in the other Marvel Animated series (Disk Wars and Ult.Spiderman series).

They had an article a couple months back about a possible X-men show, but Fox has to negotiate with Marvel over who owns rights to what.

http://www.newsarama.com/23337-report-fox-in-negotiations-with-marvel-for-x-men-tv-series.html

Probably end up with "Mutants but no Mansion" Though Cartoon Networks Tower Prep had a good vibe that could be used for a Mutant Academy focused show.

Needs promotion (that being AoS), Deadpool is pretty much universally loved by all (least one version of him). Seems like a deal they could all get behind on this one.
No.42320
Anonymous
Replies:>>42321
>>42314
>As cool as the fight scene at the end of episode two, it was unbelievable that none of the thugs were armed.

I literally just watched that episode, and two thugs had pistols, and another was armed with a shotgun. Matt even used their guns as improvised melee weapons.
No.42321
Jumpman
>>42320
I must have missed it.
No.42322
Jumpman
//youtube.com/watch?v=W7fYIMEQ1Xwyoutube thumb

Alright, there were guns in this scene. Not sure how I missed it.
No.42323
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42324
I'm very impressed that this is the introduction of Marvel Streets essentially.
No.42324
Anonymous
Replies:>>42325
>>42323
I like that they're keeping it separate from the films. The idea of superhero secret identities is kind of a tired one especially when dealing with movies which only have two hours to tell their story, so imagine how fucking jazzed I was at the ending of the first Iron Man.
No.42325
Anonymous
>>42324
Well most Avengers don't operate under secrets. So it works for them.
No.42332
The Sneaky Tiki
People really do not like what they did with the Kingpin.
No.42333
The Sneaky Tiki
Also Gentrification is a really good premise for a villain.
No.42335
Jumpman
>>42332
I've only seen a glimpse of Kingpin, but from what I'm hearing, he's actually a three-dimensional character. A bad guy that doesn't believe he's a bad guy. He wants to protect his city and the woman in his life. Has self-doubts, along with a traumatic background.

From this alone, this sounds like the most fascinating villain from Marvel Studios, outside of Loki who only had charisma.
No.42336
Anonymous
Replies:>>42337
>>42332
How so? Most people say he's the greatest villain in the MCU yet.
No.42337
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42340
>>42336
>>42335
/co/'s reaction, I like it actually, Gentrification is a great and controversial motive, most of the hate seems to stem from following his romance.
No.42338
Jumpman
Has Kingpin bear hugged anyone yet?

//youtube.com/watch?v=Oq8kPo3tyGYyoutube thumb
No.42339
Jumpman
Spoilers in this link.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/45915/20150413/5-ways-daredevil-netflix-differs-marvel-tv-series-movies.htm

The point about the superheroes and supervillians not really being super needs to be emphasized, as Marvel tried to play off complaints about Agent of Shield as people whining about no super-powered beings in the show. You don't need anyone shooting lasers out of their eyes; just compelling and authentic characters. Something the first season of Agent of Shield lacked.
No.42340
Anonymous
Replies:>>42345
>>42337
/co/ is just being it's usual racist shit self.
No.42341
Anonymous
Replies:>>42343
How much does it cost to watch all of the Daredevil episodes btw?
No.42343
Jumpman
Replies:>>42346
>>42341
Netflix subscription is $8.99 a month. There's a free trial month for first time subscribers.
No.42345
Anonymous
Replies:>>42355
>>42332
>People really do not like what they did with the Kingpin.

I've yet to see anything but praise for what D'Onofrio did with the character. Hell, most people put him as the strongest performance in a show full of great acting.

>>42340
Racism? But both Fisk and Vanessa are white, I think I am missing something.
No.42346
Anonymous
Replies:>>42347
>>42343
Is it possible to cancel and renew your subscription on and off? Such as if I want to watch one show, hold off for the next six months until something worthwhile comes up, then marathon everything after that? Or would I have to create a new account each time?
No.42347
Anonymous
>>42346
If you are such a cheapo, pirate that stuff already.
No.42348
The Sneaky Tiki
You gotta get deep before you see a costume.
No.42349
Anonymous
Uh, so what the hell was the Black Sky?
No.42350
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42352
>>42349
Explaining that would take a REALLY long time and involve a lot of guesswork, so my advice is to wait for the Netflix Ironfist show they are setting up.

The short answer is it's something Ironfist based that no one is clear on yet.
No.42352
Anonymous
>>42350
Ooooh I did not know that. Since it's tied with Iron Fist, I guess the kid had something supernatural going on.
No.42353
Anonymous
Replies:>>42354
>>42351
Seems too much like Guardians of the Galaxy aside from the train bit which is actually kind of funny.
No.42354
Anonymous
>>42353
Its got that whole strength thing going saw him punching and stuff tiny size. Looks pretty awesome.
No.42355
Anonymous
>>42345
Vanessa is played by an Israeli which is a /pol/magnet.
No.42356
The Sneaky Tiki
The Costume is a little too much black and complication but for a first iteration it's pretty good.
No.42357
Anonymous
>>42349
Considering what's coming up and Winter Soldier, I was guessing Inhuman or something.
Replies:>>42359
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Something that just popped up on /co/
No.42359
Anonymous
>>42358
Damn, never noticed until now how similar Spader and RDJ's voices sound to each other. I can really see how Ultron is his MCU father's son in multiple ways.

Also, "evil plan"? I know he's just trying to be snarky but it comes off as a little tryhard since the entire premise of the Maximoff twins working with him is because they think he's in the right.
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So Olivia Munn is going to be Psylocke in the new X-Men movie.
I know she's part Asian but this still smacks of Keanu in the 47 Ronin. Why didn't they cast an actual Japanese woman if they're going the Kanon route? The only way this would be excusable is if they're trying to put forth a compromise by making Betsy (and Brian if they remember him) were always half-Asian to begin with.
No.42364
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42360
What the fuck? How can you know about Kwannon and still have a problem with this? She was born white, Olivia Munn is a fine choice, there is enough horrendous casting choices in this world that you don't have to take issue with one that has done absolutely nothing wrong.
Replies:>>42369
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Yeah, okay.

That's about as grounded as Purple Man could be.
No.42367
Anonymous
Replies:>>42368
Man, the reaction to the Purple Man doing his thing is going to be something to behold. I doubt Netfilix is going to downgrade what a vile asshole he can be.
No.42368
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42367
Tumblr implosion will be hilarious.
No.42369
Anonymous
>>42366
He might turn actually purple down the line, although more likely he's just going to dress it.
No.42370
Anonymous
>>42360
I just don't like her because she was terrible and not funny at all on The Daily Show.
Replies:>>42410
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No.42390
Anonymous
//youtube.com/watch?v=O6otJBt3Wlcyoutube thumb

CGI, nah we got a perfectly good car right here.

//youtube.com/watch?v=IG0AzVJEVwwyoutube thumb

Really I am enjoying watching this shoot. Next Year cannot come fast enough.

Lots of Ryan in the suit now.
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Now is the time for Punisher to happen, Netflix MAX adaptation style.
No.42410
Anonymous
>>42385
The avengers are a whole group of men in silly costumes, plus one of them is a god and the other is a big green monster.
No.42439
Anonymous
Replies:>>42440
https://youtu.be/jbcNTCoxD8g

We finally get a proper glimpse of Doctor Doom.
No.42440
Anonymous
Replies:>>42441
>>42439
//youtube.com/watch?v=jbcNTCoxD8gyoutube thumb

Now with properly embedded link.
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>>42440
>blocked
No.42445
Anonymous
From that trailer, it seems that Ben never wears pants after the transformation.
No.42446
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42443
I'll be honest, kinda impressed because my standards were lower than rock bottom. there is promise here especially from the actors, and hey, at least it understands these movies need charm unlike what DC shits out.
No.42448
Anonymous
>>42443

Only problem I've gotten is at the end. Ben is doing a air drop and not one utterance of "Its Clobbering Time" Just a gag on how Reed missing the timing.
No.42449
Anonymous
>>42443
It's not really giving me any hope but at the same time there's nothing particularly cringeworthy from it either. It might be a decent film, even if all things are continuing to point to it being bad as a Fantastic Four adaptation.
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>>42443
Anyone else love this guy's voice?
No.42452
Anonymous
>>42450
I thought it was a guy speaking through a robot filter until he actually showed up on screen.
No.42453
Anonymous
>>42450
Ol Freddy from the rib joint? Hell yeah.

Also, I'm actually really looking forward to this since I started seeing Miles Teller in other spots.
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Heh.
No.42461
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
Dear Fox, please stop trying to make the Fantastic 4 a thing, love Rodyle.
No.42463
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42461
Fantastic Four has always been a thing, one of the biggest things in all of comics, Fox just fucks up every single time they touch them.
No.42466
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42463

Fox owns X-Men, too, right?

Because while there have been a few stinkers in the X-films, even the worst of that franchise is still a damn sight better than any of Fox's Fantastic Four efforts. I'd legit rather watch The Last Stand or The Wolverine than any of the F4 movies.
No.42467
Anonymous
>>42463
>>42461
Thing is, someone else already beat them to making the perfect Fantastic Four movie. And it was called The Incredibles.
No.42468
Jumpman
Replies:>>42471
Age of Ultron reviews are slowly pouring in. I enjoyed reading these two:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2015/04/tr_review_avengers_age_of_ultron_is_the_iron_man_2.php

http://www.indiewire.com/article/review-avengers-age-of-ultron-is-proof-we-dont-need-more-avengers-movies-20150421
No.42470
Anonymous
Replies:>>42494
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/daredevil-season-2-netflix-showrunners-1201477067/

Daredevil season two is a-go.
No.42471
Anonymous
>>42468
Why, schadenfreude? As much as you're probably salivating over the negativity I highly doubt the DC films are going to be any better.
Replies:>>42474
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>>42471
>giving a shit about what Jumpman thinks
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>>42471
>>42472
What's with Marvel movie fanboys that any slight acknowledgement of flaw makes them foam at the mouth?
No.42475
Jumpman
I will say, that from the few reviews I've read, Age of Ultron does open the possibility of more character-driven, political stories. Which isn't a huge surprise, considering the Civil War build up. But it's understandable why the Russo brothers are taking over directing duties for the third film, as they demonstrated they can merge blockbuster and politics beautifully in The Winter Soldier.
No.42476
Anonymous
>>42474
I'm don't even care about Marvel/DC wars so I don't need their shitty fanboy circlejerks to tell me your opinions are worthless. The Steven Universe threads already took care of that.
No.42477
Anonymous
Replies:>>42483
>>42474
Those reviews basically confirm the film will suffer from the exact problems I've been complaining about for a while now. No surprise or disappointment here. But when you're the only person who's still genuinely excited for the DCCU here and aside from FF even your positive posts about competitors sound so begrudged it makes you sound a little fanboyish yourself. And I'm the one telling everyone else to give the DCCU a chance before the new BvS trailer sapped what was left of my excitement. I'm still hoping they'll turn out good after all, but if they suck I'm not going to enjoy reading people complain about it because I'm not an asshole.
No.42478
Anonymous
From what I'm hearing of other people the big standouts for the film are Hawkeye, Vision (no surprise), and Ultron. And apparently Natasha and Bruce's romance is pulled off better than people expected, though I'm still super wary on that.
No.42479
Anonymous
>>42474
You say that as if it's only limited to Marvel fans. Nolanbats fans are just as bad, maybe even worse considering Rotten Tomatoes had to turn off comments for The Dark Knight Rises because of them.
No.42483
Jumpman
Replies:>>42484
>>42477
>But when you're the only person who's still genuinely excited for the DCCU

"Excited" is too strong of a word. I am well aware of the faults with WB/DC and none of my posts has ever hid that. I don't see why I need to state disappointment with Man of Steel or Batman v Superman, when criticizing a Marvel Studios film. Or, linking to criticism. Especially when far more cynical things have been said here about non-Marvel Studios film without anyone batting an eye.
No.42484
Anonymous
Replies:>>42485
>>42483
Jumpman, buddy, I don't really have anything against you, but you are certainly the last who should be talking about being cynical and biased. It's one of the cons of identifying yourself with a name on a largerly anonymous board, you have to carry on your shoulders all the stuff you have said. It is a fact that most of your posts on the matter seem to be highly negative towards Marvel, and even when you were positive on the Daredevil show, you HAD to invent something against the show. If it was involuntary on your side, it shows that you are overly critical to the point of your mind playing trickls on you. And look, you were practically saying "I am happy because these two Avengers reviews say it is no good". It is a noticeable trend on your part, sorry but it is.
No.42485
Jumpman
Replies:>>42486
>>42484
>even when you were positive on the Daredevil show, you HAD to invent something against the show.

I made a mistake. I acknowledged that and posted proof that I made a mistake. Believe it or not, people can make honest mistakes.

And even if it was legit, how does ONE complaint that take away from my overall enjoyment of Daredevil?

>And look, you were practically saying "I am happy because these two Avengers reviews say it is no good"

Try actually reading my posts, instead of putting words in my mouth. I shared two reviews I enjoyed reading and that's all. Didn't even make any comment on the film itself, based on those reviews. Nor did I say those two reviews defined the general reception of the new film.
No.42486
Anonymous
>>42485
>"I am happy because these two Avengers reviews say it is no good"
Considering there's at least two or three of us who got that same impression from you, it might be you who has the communication problem.
No.42487
Anonymous
For what's worth I've never seen Jumpman as being a DC fanboy, just very negative (to the point of being a bit obsessed) at everything Marvel for whatever reason.
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Whedon said the Edgar Wright script of Ant-Man was one of the best scripts Marvel has ever had.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/joss-whedon-spine-tingling-soul-crushing-marvel-adventure#.biykqY2vK

>“Only that I don’t get it,” he said with a sigh. “I thought the script was not only the best script that Marvel had ever had, but the most Marvel script I’d read. I had no interest in Ant-Man. [Then] I read the script, and was like, Of course! This is so good! It reminded me of the books when I read them. Irreverent and funny and could make what was small large, and vice versa. I don’t know where things went wrong. But I was very sad. Because I thought, This is a no-brainer. This is Marvel getting it exactly right. Whatever dissonance that came, whatever it was, I don’t understand why it was bigger than a marriage that seemed so right. But I’m not going to say it was definitely all Marvel, or Edgar’s gone mad! I felt like they would complement each other by the ways that they were different. And, uh, somethin’ happened.”
No.42490
Anonymous
Replies:>>42491
>>42489
I don't doubt it would be a cool film, perhaps much better than the one we are getting, but the fact that Wrigth accomodated so many things about the character to fit his vision, makes me wonder how it could be said that it was going to be the "most marvel" ever. It's like the NolanBats trilogy, prettty damn good films, but I would not call them the "most DC" either.
No.42491
Anonymous
>>42490


Also, if Whedon really, REALLY wanted to support Wright, well... he could have said Disney "let him do Ant-Man his way, or I am not going to direct Avengers 2". That would have me>>42490
ant so much more than just taking a pic of that cornetto wrapper.
No.42492
Anonymous
Replies:>>42493
>>42489
Wasn't part of it that he dragged his feet for so long that it was disrupting the whole MCU. Its he reason we didn't have Hank and Janet in the Avengers.
No.42493
Anonymous
>>42492
Yes, although in fairness his friend was dying of cancer so he kind of had to sideline it. I'm still upset about Hank and Janet (mostly Janet) getting sidelined though. That part is entirely his doing.
No.42494
Anonymous
>>42470
I hope we see Elektra.
No.42515
Jumpman
>A lot of people come back in The Winter Soldier. It’s a grand Marvel tradition. Bucky was supposed to die. And the Coulson thing was, I think, a little anomalous just because that really came from the television division, which is sort of considered to be its own subsection of the Marvel universe. As far as the fiction of the movies, Coulson is dead.

http://mentalfloss.com/uk/movies/28527/qa-joss-whedon-on-super-heroes-the-pop-culture-mainstream

And this illustrate some of the problems in creating a shared universe. In an earlier interview I posted, Whedon talked about how he planned to get more involved with AOS, but backed off when Marvel decided to integrate it more with the movie universe. Specifically, with The Winter Soldier and the SHIELD breakup. It's likely one of the reasons why Whedon is ready to leave the Marvel Universe (for now, at least) and have more creative control on his own projects. In fairness, he did say he enjoyed his time at Marvel.

This isn't just a Marvel thing, though. It's happening with WB/DC too. With Deadshot getting the ax on Arrow, so WB can promote the movie version.
No.42518
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42515
Generally the WB has a way worse issues with this sort of thing because their notion of branding is so draconian, they have no faith in people's ability to distinguish one series from another, not just with DC but just about everything they've touched, if one plan exists they tear everything else apart.
No.42521
Jumpman
>>42518
Yeah, like the Bat Embargo.
No.42522
Anonymous
>>42518
Such as? I can't remember any other series with such an expanded universe off the top of my head.
No.42524
Anonymous
>>42515
I wish WB and all the other guys would hold off on trying to rush themselves into a Cinematic Universe deal and just focus on making strong solo films first. I want them to do well (it's something Marvel fans should want too, because proper competition keeps everyone in shape) but they have their priorities on ass-backwards.
No.42530
Jumpman
WSJ article about Marvel's success with The Avengers and its focus on character over celebrities.

>But no company has eschewed A-list talent as consistently and effectively in the modern age as Marvel. All but one of its 10 films released so far have been hits, a record rivaled only by Pixar Animation Studios. And none have featured a major star or established action director.

>Money is a key reason, say people who have done business with Marvel. The Disney subsidiary’s chief executive, Ike Perlmutter, is notoriously frugal and doesn’t believe that the millions rivals like Warner Bros. spend to get big-name stars like Ben Affleck and Will Smith are worth it.

>“They are in the business of hiring the guy who hasn’t had a big success, because they don’t have to pay that guy very much,” said Mr. Whedon, adding that he made more money on his self-produced Internet series “Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog” than he did directing the first “Avengers,” which cost $230 million to produce and grossed $1.5 billion world-wide.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/avengers-age-of-ultron-kicks-off-the-summer-1429801731?tesla=y

Hulk is truly alone in the Cinematic Universe and Box Office performance.
No.42532
Anonymous
Replies:>>42533
>>42530
I think it actually works to their advantage from a storytelling perspective, because with less famous actors audiences' perceptions of a character aren't going to be as colored by their past roles in the way American Psycho viewers might be laughing their asses off over Batdubs, or any Depp role and Edward Scissorhands/Jack Sparrow.
No.42533
Anonymous
Replies:>>42537
>>42532
I'm already having this issue with Deadshot and Fresh Prince/WELCOME TO URF/Goddomit Fronk, and a little bit with Hank Pym as Gordon Gecko (but that's because I'm old). But depending on who it is that's not always a bad thing either. It worked for Robert Redford as Alexander Pierce.
No.42534
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>42536
>>42530
The problem with The Hulk is that they are afraid of him being the Hulk, so he can't actually hurt anyone and therefore his otherside doesn't really do anything wrong and instead has the "Gentile giant" PG side going on.

It works kinda okay in The Avengers but with no real tension from what is the central flaw of his character his movies are doomed to fail and fail and fail until they finally give his stories some teeth.
No.42536
Anonymous
>>42534
The problem is Hulk isn't a very interesting character by nature once his novelty wears off. Even in the comics he usually did his best in ensemble series because he has someone to bounce off of. There is the actually pretty good Peter David run, but I don't really see that getting adapted. And while Planet/WW Hulk have done a lot to save his character we aren't going to see those arcs either for blatantly obvious practicality reasons.
No.42537
Anonymous
Replies:>>42539
>>42530
How is RDJ not a major star? Or, wait, was he a very minor star when he did Iron Man after the rehab and that catapulted his career? Anyway, as long as they continue picking up talent for cheap, that's great. If they start using poor actors to save money, that's a problem. Starring in such highly-anticipated films for cheap also works great for the actors; Chris Pratt was extremely minor (I only knew him from Parks & Rec) until GotG, and now he's in freaking everything. (And he seems like a pretty awesome guy, so I'm glad it worked out so well.) The Lego Movie probably helped, too, but he was only a voice actor there.

>>42533
Yeah. I don't think that Will Smith will be bad in the role, but it's going to be hard seeing him as just the character rather than something building off his past roles.
No.42539
Anonymous
Replies:>>42556
>>42537
He was a highly acclaimed actor back in the day but his drug history made him a toxic asset at the time Iron Man came out. It took a lot of convincing on Jon Favreau's part before he was considered. And unlike a certain person who tried to spin it off this way last thread I don't see this as yet another sign of how insidious Disney or Marvel are, it's completely understandable if a little close-minded why the higher-ups were so hesitant against casting him from a business perspective.
No.42556
Anonymous
>>42539
Ya nobody wants a Cory Monteith situation on their hands.
No.42581
Seviper
So, Agent Carter is kill, right?
No.42582
Anonymous
>>42581
Unknown said to be decided in May.
No.42583
Anonymous
Replies:>>42584
>>42581
I've heard it has quite a decent chance of getting renewed.
No.42584
Anonymous
>>42583
Which is cool for something that I heard was just a short series to start with. Maybe we'll see where the whole HYDRA bit started within SHIELD.
No.42585
T4 was here
Replies:>>42586
Saw Age of Ultron today.

Kicked ass but dont have the wow factor from the first one.
No.42586
Anonymous
>>42585

As per usual with comic events. Hope it has a good opening on Friday.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/daniel-brhl-when-you-have-success-abroad-you-become-a-traitor-envy-is-very-german-10123801.html

>Brühl has just been cast in the new Captain America, as the villain, Baron Helmut Zemo – “I think I can tell you that without being thrown into Marvel prison…” – and starts shooting at the end of April. “For the first few days I’ll walk around like a little boy, just amazed by the megalomania of it. It’s such a huge project. We could do 20 films with the budget.”
No.42588
Anonymous
>>42587
So Tony isn't the bad guy then? I'm confused. Also I'm not sure how they'll pull off the mask without it looking super dumb unless it's a "symbolic" thing like David Tennant as the Purple Man.
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>>42587
Holy shit the shape of that guy's mouth
>mfw anime is real
No.42590
Anonymous
Replies:>>42591
>>42587
I am really happy with that casting, and I really hope that they pull off Zemo well. Like pull off the Jerk with a heart of Jerk that does good for bad reasons that Busiek and Nicieza really set him up as.

But I continue to be really antsy about Cap 3 being Civil War because Civil War was complete garbage. And I don't know how they'll turn that mess into something worthwhile.

Also, losing Evans as Captain America will be a huge blow.
No.42591
Anonymous
>>42590
Evans has said he's willing to continue appearing in films past Infinity War so they might not.

Also it's likely that most of the superheroes outside of Cap's own crew will only appear for 5-10 minutes tops, and they'll just focus on the philosophical conflict between Tony and Steve (without turning Tony into a Nazi.

Right now I'm more worried that they might waste Zemo or turn him into a one-off figure like they did with Malekith and Ronan. I've heard good things about Ultron though so they might be learning.
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No.42606
Anonymous
Replies:>>42789
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>I wanted an African-American Nick Fury to be director of SHIELD because the closest thing in the real world to this job title was held by Colin Powell at the time. I also thought Nick Fury sounded like one of those great, 1970s Blaxploitation names and so the whole thing coalesced for me into a very specific character, an update of the cool American super-spy Jim Steranko had done in the 70s and based on the Rat Pack, which seemed very nineteen sixties and due for some kind of upgrade. Sam is famously the coolest man alive and both myself an artist Bryan Hitch just liberally used him without asking any kind of permission. You have to remember this was 2001 when we were putting this together. The idea that this might become a movie seemed preposterous as Marvel was just climbing out of bankruptcy at the time.

>What we didn’t know was that Sam was an avid comic fan and knew all about it. One of my books was adapted recently as Kingsman: The Secret Service, where Sam played the bad guy, and we finally got to hang out on the set. The first thing I said was I hope you don’t mind me completely exploiting your appearance in my book thirteen years back and he said ‘fuck, no, man. Thanks for the 9 picture deal’. He’s fantastic.

http://www.businessinsider.com/samuel-l-jackson-thanks-mark-millar-2015-4
No.42610
T4 was here
Seen all of Daredevil now.
Its good.
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http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/435703-first-official-look-at-x-men-apocalypses-jean-grey-and-jubilee#/slide/1
No.42642
Anonymous
>>42641
That is probably the most accurate costume I've seen in X-men so far. She's just missing the shades.
No.42647
Anonymous
>>42641
Jubilee a cute. I approve of this casting.
No.42648
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42641

This is excellent, yes.
No.42649
Anonymous
Do we have any idea of what the plot is going to be yet, beyond Mutants vs. Mutants, Big Powerful Bad Guy comes around and turns some of the heroic mutants evil and it's up to the heroes to stop him? First Class and DOFP were good because they were primarily character studies as opposed to focusing on action or fights (even if some of the "emotional" moments in DOFP were a bit cheeseball) but it's going to be trickier to pull that off with Apocalypse.
No.42651
Anonymous
Just watched Avengers Part Deux.

Movie kicked ass, but that's not why I am posting this.

There was a mid-credits scene, but nothing post-credits. Did my theater screw up or that's how it really is?
No.42652
Anonymous
>>42651
Yes, there is no post-credits scene for this movie. They were saying this for like a month but apparently a lot of people are still really confused or forget about that so they must not have done a good job communicating that.
No.42654
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>42656
>>42651

Whedon himself said he didn’t want to try topping the shawarma bit from Avengers 1, so they stuck with the mid-credits stinger.
No.42655
Anonymous
Replies:>>42661
I'm hearing some mixed opinions about Age of Ultron from people compared to the first. Hearing a lot of anger from Winter Soldier fans but I honestly think a lot of it boils down to buttdevastated Steve/Bucky shippers mad that Bucky didn't appear or that the film has more Steve/Tony "teases" for mindnumbingly-obvious reasons rather than legitimate complaints (of which I'm sure there are plenty).
No.42656
Anonymous
Replies:>>42661
>>42654
Am I the only one who didn't think it was that great? It could've easily been beaten by a more plot-meaty scene. Go for the Winter Soldier post-credits scene, rather than the Guardians of the Galaxy one.
No.42661
Anonymous
>>42656
It could have been better with some comradery and small talk. Cap looking bored utterly and it being so silent kills it for me.

>>42655
I ignore that stuff since that is the same crowd that fawns over Loki incessantly.
No.42662
Anonymous
>>42661
Loki really isn't all that great even. In either looks or in writing. He was OK in Thor 1 and pretty decent in Thor 2 (we don't talk about the abomination that was Avengers Loki) but most of the supposedly "interesting" aspects of him come from meta and 90% of that is literally pulled out of the fangirls' asses, or another orifice of theirs.
No.42663
Anonymous
>>42661
Cap was like that because Chris Evans grew his beard out for another film, I think Snowpiercer? He had to wear a face prosthetic to hide it and hold still.
No.42664
Anonymous
Replies:>>42665
http://chezapocalypse.com/episodes/the-avengers-between-the-lines/

Kenneth Branagh brought more of his background with Shakespeare to Thor than I realized, beyond just Odin being Space King Lear. Thor and Loki are two halves of Coriolanus.
No.42665
Anonymous
>>42664
Makes sense. Tom Hiddleston is a classically trained actor and apparently there were some nasty incidents where he got mobbed by psychotic fangirls after a performance specifically as Coriolanus.
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http://comicbook.com/2015/04/29/mark-ruffalo-asks-marvel-to-make-more-black-widow-merchandise/

And this is why Black Widow fell in love with the Hulk.
No.42672
Anonymous
>>42671
Mark Ruffalo is a swell dude.
No.42680
Anonymous
http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/05/01/spider-man-actor-andrew-garfield-got-himself-fired-from-series-by-insulting-sony-chief

Looks like those Sony Emails are cleaning the slate for everyone.
No.42681
Anonymous
>>42680
>The Social Network, to my mind, is the Citizen Kane of the 21st Century, a film that social historians hundreds of years from now will point to as one of the most emblematic of our era.

Calm down there, Kaz.
No.42682
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42681

Eh, Kaz wasn’t the only one saying such things. He just got paid the most for saying them.
No.42683
Anonymous
>>42681
Fancy way of saying how shallow and hollow this era has been.
No.42684
The Sneaky Tiki
>>42680
SONY WAS THE ONLY ONE GOING TO BAT FOR YOU MORON!
No.42685
Anonymous
>>42680
This is old news, isn't it? He got invited to personally 'hang out' with a big sony guy, and he refused at the last second.
Pissed a lot of guys off.
No.42688
Jumpman
"You know I've always supported your Avenging" is right up there with "You know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning?" in bad movie lines. Unsurprisingly, both came from Joss Whedon. For a man that writes characters in a singular snarky voice, I'm surprised that line was delivered with a straight face.
No.42689
Anonymous
Replies:>>42693
>>42688
I feel like Whedon thinks he's a lot more clever than he really is. The first film's dialogue was OK aside from a few really terrible lines but there's so much of it this time around that the script comes off as tryhard. Still a solid movie, but I'm glad the Captain America guys are taking over from him.
No.42690
Anonymous
>>42688
>"You know I've always supported your Avenging"
Because that line wasn't tongue in cheek.
At all.
Nope.
No.42693
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42689

>I'm glad the Captain America guys are taking over from him.

Cap 2 hit the right balance of Snark and Everything Else (the running gag with Nat trying to play matchmaker for Steve was great). I'll take the Russos over Snarkmaster Whedon any day.
No.42695
Anonymous
Replies:>>42697
Looking at Marvel someone on their team has a grasp of their approximate levels

Street
Super Street
Super City
Team
Cosmic

Daredevil is doing Street level fantastically. Though I'd love to see a Late twenties early thirties Spidey on the Streaming Screen. His stuff really is made more for this hour long series than movies.
No.42696
Anonymous
>>42688
>"You know I've always supported your Avenging" is right up there with "You know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning?" in bad movie lines.

Completely different circumstances and meanings behind those lines, I have no idea why are you making such comparision.
No.42697
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>42701
>>42695

Honestly? With maybe the exception of The Hulk, most of Marvel's film properties to date would probably work better as hour-long miniseries shows than movies.

I'll even give you an example: Iron Man 1. It runs about two hours, right? And the average run-time of a cable drama with commercials is 45 minutes. Let's go with that as an episode run time (which also gives us a chance to break each episode up into five acts). So let's split Iron Man I up into six separate episodes:

* Episode 1: Pretty much the first half of the first act - Tony shows off the Jericho missile system, gets caught by the terrorists, builds the first Iron Man suit. You end the episode with Tony putting the finishing touches on what will become the "Mark I" suit.
* Episode 2: The second half of the first act goes here - Tony escapes by using the Iron Man suit, announces the end of Stark Industries's weapon-making days, yadda yadda yadda. End the episode on the terrorists scouring the desert for the remnants of the Mark I.
* Episode 3: Now things can get interesting. Most of this episode would be Tony building and testing the Mark II, but a subplot could give Pepper, Rhodey, and maybe even Obadiah Stane some more time to have their characters fleshed out by letting them talk about Tony's post-capture issues and the direction of Stark Industries. The episode ends with Tony's first flight in the Mark II.
* Episode 4: Tony finds out about how Stark Industries is still making/selling weapons, uses the Iron Man suit to go overseas and wallop a few terrorists, and encounters the US Air Force. Flesh this out with more Rhodey/Pepper subplotting that gives you a better look at their relationships with Tony, especially after he reveals the suit to them. The episode ends with the big twist of Stane being behind the terrorists (and recovering the remnants of the Mark I).
* Episode 5: Tony gets Pepper to infiltrate Stane's office and discover what's going on in Stark Industries, Pepper learns the truth about Stane, and goes to SHIELD/Coulson with her findings. Stane steals Tony's mini-Arc Reactor, leaving Tony on the verge of death. The episode ends with Stane fitting the Iron Monger with the Arc Reactor while Tony struggles to get his first "power source" in his chest.
* Episode 6: The rest of the film - Tony gets the power source in, fights Stane, yadda yadda yadda. You can even have the post-credits stinger with Fury take place before the credits this time.

Obviously this is a barebones outline and all, but it's proof that—with some extra padding for characterization purposes and some changes to account for the smaller effects budget—Iron Man could work as a miniseries suitable for TV/streaming. And really, what are the Marvel movies if not two-hour action-fests leading up to "series finalés" that are the Avengers movies?

(If Fox had any sense and the budget to account for it, they'd make a fucking X-Men TV/Netflix series.)
No.42700
Anonymous
Really Daredevil has the best pieces for Fisk from the Daredevil and Punisher comics. Really add Frank to this mix and you'd have the entire lower rung of Marvel New York.
No.42701
Anonymous
>>42697
Nah, Fox only has film rights to X-Men. If they want to make a TV series they'd have to renegotiate with Marvel over that because of the nature of the license. It was the same thing with Spider-Man.
No.42702
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42701

Still, X-Men would work better as a series than as films. More time to spend with individual mutants/smaller groups of mutants and flesh out characterization before, say, a mid-season/end-of-season finalé setpiece battle.
No.42703
Anonymous
Replies:>>42705
>>42701
Then Marvel should step that into the light. X-Force series. Cable and Deadpool back in the saddle. After the movie from the other guys of course.
No.42705
Anonymous
Replies:>>42706
>>42703
If they do make a deal, they'd better keep the X-Men out of the MCU continuity. I've always thought the 616 double standard between superheroes and mutants was mega dumb.
No.42706
Anonymous
>>42705
And only being funny when someone like Deadpool mocks it.
No.42719
Anonymous
Replies:>>42720
>>42688
The Toad/Lightning line was the payoff for a running gag that was in an earlier draft of the script and got cut. While Whedon did pen the line in question, looking at it without the context of the setup that was actually supposed to make it funny is a little disingenuous. It's like looking at a single episode of Arrested Development divorced of the context that lead up to it.
No.42720
Anonymous
>>42719
Let me rephrase that--looking at that line without the context of the setup that was actually supposed to make it funny as an indication of Whedon's abilities as a writer is a little disingenuous. The version we saw on screen is not the version Whedon wrote. It is entirely fair to consider the line in the movie we saw to be terrible and stupid. But you can't blame the writer for bad decisions made by the director or the producers.
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No.42730
Anonymous
Replies:>>42731
>>42729
Having now seen Age of Ultron, Civil War being a thing that happens just gets more and more confusing.

Is Tony Stark really incapable of learning anything? I mean, Iron Man 3 and AoU taken together SHOULD feed into "Hey, maybe I need to stop trying to control everything"
No.42731
Anonymous
>>42730
The answer is pretty clear, he is not. I mean, against all logic and reason he went on with the plan to put Jarvis on the synthetic body. Even Cap wanted to slap his shit for it.

Plus, you have to factor in that Zemo will be around, most likely manipulating things so both Steve and Tony will be at each others throats.
No.42734
Anonymous
Replies:>>42737
Good movie. Not without its flaws (bloat due to too many characters, imo), but I thought Ultron really stole the show, which was nice after Loki stole the show in Avengers 1. The villains have been doing a bang-up job in these movies.
No.42737
Anonymous
Replies:>>42738
>>42734
I thought Loki was pretty terrible in Avengers 1, though I admit he was entertaining in a trainwreck kind of way.
Both of the Cap films had pretty good villains though, in different ways. I'm hoping Zemo is just as good in his own.
No.42738
Anonymous
Replies:>>42739
>>42737

Well that's okay to have terrible opinions, Anon. I mean I personally wouldn't flaunt them so boldly, but you do what you feel is right.
No.42739
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>42752
>>42738

Just because you disagree with his opinion doesn’t make it “terrible“. Stop that.
No.42740
Anonymous
A fair amount of people, especially Thor fans, didn't like Loki in Avengers. The most common complaint being that his behavior was way OOC and nonsensical compared to Thor 1, and subsequently Thor 2. Actually Avengers and Whedon get a lot of this in general. People who like Cap tend to hate how he was portrayed in Avengers, and lately a lot of people are complaining that AoU ignored most of Tony's character development in Iron Man 3.
No.42742
Anonymous
Joss Whedon has been cyberbullied off of Twitter by Widow/Hulk anti-shippers and people who took issue with him having Iron Man make a rape joke.

https://youtu.be/SMi9WV3V7Rc?t=26s
No.42743
Anonymous
>>42742
Yeah, nah. There's zero proof it was directly the result of complaints about Black Widow and such as opposed to complaining about the film in general. Going by his interviews right before the film came out he was all about ready to quit anyway.
No.42744
Anonymous
>>42742
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/04/joss-whedon-quits-twitter
Not even close.
No.42746
Anonymous
Replies:>>42747
>>42742
the primae nocta joke was totally weird though
No.42747
Anonymous
Replies:>>42748
>>42746
Yeah, it makes as much sense as declaring he'd bring back the guillotine or crucifixion something.
No.42748
Anonymous
>>42747
Forgot to add the blood eagle, which is way more appropriate for a place like Asgard, but I can't delete posts even right after making them.
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http://blogs.indiewire.com/womenandhollywood/marvel-ceo-doesnt-believe-in-female-superheroes-20150504

So it's Ike's fault, then.
No.42752
Anonymous
Replies:>>42753
>>42739

what're ya gonna do about it Sage, call the anti-bully rangers?
No.42753
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42752

I’m going to keep telling you to stop being an asshole and calling people names for having an opinion which you don’t like. It won’t change their opinion, and it won't make you anything but irrationally pissed off at someone for daring to “question” or contradict your opinion. I’ve been there, I don’t like being there, and I’ll gladly try and stop someone else from being there.

So please, stop implying that someone with a minority/fringe opinion about pop culture is a terrible person—or has a terrible opinion—if that opinion doesn’t actively harm any one/that person can back up their conclusion. If they can do the work required to hold an opinion, you shouldn't be mocking them for it.
No.42754
Anonymous
Replies:>>42758
Saw Age of Ultron yesterday with my brother. Ultron somehow lifting chunks of the ground in the truck chase scene was entirely out of nowhere, in that I'm pretty sure he's not telekinetic, but whatever. Other than that, one thing that surprised me was that the mysterious helper fighting Ultron wasn't Arnim Zola. What with him being a computer program tying to reshape humanity in a way that might keep it from falling into the hands of Hydra and the "enemy of our enemy" talk I was expecting him pretty hard for a minute there.

Also, clips of Ultron need to be put together set to this: //youtube.com/watch?v=_3H18bkKyG8youtube thumb
No.42758
Anonymous
>>42754


IIRC, there is another instance of Ultron using that ability, during the fight in Klaw's ship, he uses it to pull Stark and then shoot him with his finger beams. I don't think it's "telekinesis" but something derived from the magentic reactor that Hydra had in their base, which he adapted into his own robot body.
No.42759
Anonymous
http://marvel.com/news/movies/24562/martin_freeman_joins_marvels_captain_america_civil_war
Noooo. Marvel fandom is bad enough already with Cumberbatch and Hiddleston already, we don't need the Marvel fandom becoming infected with Sherlock and Hobbit cancer like this.
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Uuuugh any idea of how legit this pic may be? Because holy shit, those tweets.
No.42761
Anonymous
>>42760
It does appear his account is closed, at the very least: https://twitter.com/josswhedon
No.42762
Anonymous
>>42760
People are dumb.
More at 11.
No.42763
Jumpman
>>42760
>Feminism not even once

People always conveniently forget that assholes comes in all flavors. Yes, there are feminist that give the label a bad name. But the same can be said for Christians, Democrats, and etc. Why should a few assholes be allowed to defile the belief that women should treated equal? When the male-oriented culture is allowed unlimited forgiveness for equal or worser crimes. Such as the video game and comic book fandom. Especially the former with its history of death threats made to game developers, particularly women.

Whether those tweets motivated Whedon to leave Twitter, I doubt he would want anyone to use them as an excuse to knock down feminism.
No.42764
Jumpman
Replies:>>42766
James Gunn weighed in on Facebook.

>A couple months ago someone on Twitter wrote me that something one of my characters said in my movie hurt him. I've gotten hundreds of tweets from people angry about moments in my films over the years, and I just ignore them, or get angry in return. But that one tweet affected me profoundly. The last thing I want to do with my work is hurt someone, especially someone who already feels disenfranchised. That made me think about what I write and what I put in my films, and I will be more thoughtful about situations like it in the future. That is, one honest and vulnerable tweet affected more change in me than hundreds of angry ones.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/05/james-gunn-joss-whedon-twitter-hate
No.42766
Anonymous
>>42764
Best way I've heard it handled.
No.42767
Anonymous
Replies:>>42768
>>42760
I don't know about the Tweets, but a fair number of Tumblr users I follow for their funposting interrupt it semi-regularly to spew or reblog some pretty vile filth aimed towards him. Some go as far as to call him a closet neo-Nazi for what he did in changing the backgrounds of the Maximoff twins. So before anyone immediately accuses them of all being false flags or trolls fronted by people out to discredit social justice, no, no they're not, chances are a fair portion of them are totally legit, which is super depressing.

Anyway, didn't Whedon say he only had this account for a few months? And that this isn't even the first time he's opened a (temporary) Twitter account? But yeah for all the grievances I had with Black Widow in this film (along a whole slew of reasons, largely nonpolitical) I think it's ridiculous and hyperbole to call him an outright willful misogynist/racist/transphobe for it as opposed to acknowledging he just fucked up.
No.42768
Anonymous
>>42767
>what he did in changing the backgrounds of the Maximoff twins.

Friendly reminder that the first time they ever got a set of parents, they were THE WHIZZER AND MISS AMERICA.
No.42769
Anonymous
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/joss-whedon-on-leaving-twitter#.xcpQzNNwK

Spoiler.
It wasn't the femimisfits.
No.42770
Anonymous
>>42769
Not a fan of Sarkeesian's content (frankly, I think they're laughably terrible) but that's nice of her to check on him. Besides it's Jonathan McIntosh who's the most obnoxious twat.
No.42771
Jumpman
>>42769
Fucking knew it. He would hate hinted at abuse with his farewell tweet, if he were harassed off the site. Unfortunately, poor media reporting (the thing GamerGate claims to be against) made people believe in speculation, instead of actual fact.
No.42772
Anonymous
Replies:>>42773
I don't quite understand it, why is it so terrible that Natasha would want to pursue a relationship in the movies?
No.42773
Anonymous
Replies:>>42774
>>42772
In and of itself, nothing. But it stands out in Avengers when the one girl on the team is involved in a Token Romance. Also while I get the point Whedon is trying to make by not having her hook up with Clint or Steve just because she's friends with them, a lot of people just dislike the pairing for being nonsensical, full of cringeworthy scenes, and not adding much to the story. Overall I think Whedon meant well, he just executed it in particularly poor fashion.
No.42774
Anonymous
Replies:>>42777
>>42773
He needs more than just himself to write things.
No.42776
Anonymous
https://theconversation.com/no-feminism-is-not-about-choice-40896

And part of the vitriol is they didn't want "his" voice for their class.
No.42777
Anonymous
>>42774
I think that's what made Winter Soldier so good. You've got two directors and two writers to divide the duties among and check with each other, whereas Age of Ultron sounds like it suffered from a case of "protection from editors" where having so much singular control meant nobody was there to reign in Whedon's worse tendencies.
No.42778
Anonymous
>>42777
The Lucas Problem
No.42780
Anonymous
Replies:>>42791
http://theprettyfeminist.tumblr.com/post/118170273477/news-flash
God fucking damnit.
No.42782
Jumpman
>>42777
>I think that's what made Winter Soldier so good. You've got two directors and two writers to divide the duties among and check with each other, whereas Age of Ultron sounds like it suffered from a case of "protection from editors" where having so much singular control meant nobody was there to reign in Whedon's worse tendencies.

Except Whedon didn't have complete control over the film.

http://www.avclub.com/article/corporate-drone-joss-whedon-fought-pure-artistic-i-218967

>Referring to dream sequences he included in the film, Whedon says, “The dreams were not an executive favorite either—the dreams, the farmhouse, these were things I fought to keep. With the cave, it really turned into: they pointed a gun at the farm’s head and said, ‘Give us the cave, or we’ll take out the farm,’—in a civilized way. I respect these guys, they’re artists, but that’s when it got really, really unpleasant.”

>Because threatening the writer and director of your film is always the best way to get results, Whedon says he eventually caved, even when—in a confusing turn—other studio notes temporarily led to the cave sequence being cut altogether, before of course being re-inserted. “I was so beaten down at that point that I was like, ‘Sure, OK—what movie is this?’,” says that man whose resume teems with bland, carbon-copy Hollywood product like Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Firefly. “And the editors were like, ‘No. You have to show the [events in the cave]. You can’t just say it.’” Thank God for those brave editors and executives, because now we have a movie that is less the result of one man’s megalomaniacal vision, and more the surefire formula for success that comes from the old saying, “Too many cooks always improve a meal.”
No.42784
Anonymous
Replies:>>42785
>>42782
Wow, they were right, you really are obsessive.
No.42785
Jumpman
Replies:>>42788
>>42784
I don't see how keeping up with news makes me obsessive.
No.42786
Anonymous
>>42782
Not complete control, but according to various other websites he's still had more influence over this film than the previous one, and on several other films, such as requesting other films to avoid including Banner and Hawkeye too much. Also, he's in charge of both directing and writing, whereas most other movies split duties. The studios might dictate which scenes get included and maybe who dies, but generally don't seem as concerned with things like characterization and interactions, and that's where the film mostly falls flat. A lot of the problems I and other people have with the film are things that have plagued Whedon's works for years, such as incompetent romances and obnoxious dialogue.
No.42788
Anonymous
Replies:>>42789
>>42785
You're perfectly free to have whatever opinion you want, but don't pretend you don't have some problems with confirmation bias. Most of the news you post in Marvel threads tends to be tinged with negativity or from people who have a bone to pick with them even though there's plenty of neutral stuff like announcements to also talk about, whereas apparently even total nothings are newsworthy over in DC-land. Most of the people here aren't calling you out because they're Marvel apologists or DC haters like you act like they are, they're calling you out because of your double standard.
No.42789
Jumpman
>>42788
Uh huh. Ever Marvel post I make is negative, except
>>42113
>>42128
>>42245
>>42287
>>42308
>>42313
>>42335
>>42594
>>42609
>>42671
>>42729

And explain to me how the link I posted wasn't relevant to the discussion about creative control?
No.42790
Anonymous
Probably because normal people don't express their dislike for something by acting like a Tokyo Rose towards it. It's hardly the first time either. I remember people pointing this out about you in the Nintendo threads back on old +4Chan too.
No.42791
Anonymous
>>42780
Jesus even if the rumors didn't turn out to be true, the response isn't to double down on it.
No.42798
Anonymous
Replies:>>42799
http://marvel.com/news/movies/24586/marvel_studios_begins_production_on_marvels_captain_america_civil_war
Huh, so they're bringing that guy from The Incredible Hulk back. That makes the Widow/Banner romance even weirder, as I thought the lack of mention of Betty was due to TIH getting the Portable Ops treatment. Also it looks like the Thunderbolts are more and more likely.
No.42799
Jumpman
Replies:>>42805
>>42798
This is sounding more like an Avengers sequel. Excited for Black Panther, though.
No.42800
Anonymous
Replies:>>42801
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BritsKingdom/news/?a=120220
Warning: this link potentially has HUGE spoilers for the plot of Civil War (if the "leaks" turn out to be true). Thoughts, for anyone who dares to read it?
No.42801
Jumpman
Replies:>>42806
>>42800
>Source: 4chan

Huge amount of salt.
No.42805
Anonymous
Replies:>>42808
>>42799
>This is sounding more like an Avengers sequel.

I doubt most of those characters will have anything beyond a short scene in the movie showing them being registered or resisting it.
No.42806
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>42801

We're talking a SHIELD Helicarrier-sized bag of salt, here. It sounds plausible, but 4chan is legendary for its bullshitting ability.
No.42808
Anonymous
>>42805
Same here. They all just say they'll be important because who wants to admit they're just a cameo? Most likely they'll contribute as much as Hawkeye was planned to in TWS (five minutes of chasing Cap, dueling him, telling him he's bugged, then fucking off for the rest of the film).
No.42821
Anonymous
Replies:>>42823
Didn't Iron Man destroy all his suits since the last Avengers? And Pepper Potts take Extremis, becoming powerful enough to join the team in her own right?
No.42823
Anonymous
>>42821
He's capable of automating suit production at this point and the old suits were low-quality and cheaply hashed out anyway. As for Pepper he said he cured her of it at the end due to how unstable it is. Don't think anything was mentioned about whether she lost the powers as a result or whether he fixed Hansen's formula like she wanted so Pepper could keep the powers.
No.42828
Anonymous
Replies:>>42830
>>42823
Even in the first movie, it took him mere hours for the automated process to assemble an armor. By the time of Ironman 3 he probably could have one build and ready during breakfast. Dunno why so many thought Stark destroying all those armors meant he was renouncing being Ironman, it was simply a gesture to show Pepper that he had gotten over the personal issues that plaged him during the movie.
No.42830
Anonymous
>>42823
>>42828
That makes sense. Incidentally, when previews for the movie first came out I was under the impression that Ultron would be an amalgamation of broken suit parts that Tony forgot to tell not to self-repair into some kind of monster while deep under the ocean. How he actually got made is actually a bit cooler, though.