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Episode 1's out. Seems pretty good, but the official subs are awful.
No.89060
Jumpman
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No.89061
Famenag
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>>89059

Is that so? I wonder if any other groups are planning on tackling it?
No.89062
Jumpman
Replies:>>89071
English cast is out; Stephanie Sheh will play Sailor Moon.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-07-05/new-sailor-moon-dub-cast-revealed-at-anime-expo/.76285
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Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
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>>89061
There's fabsubbers around, but the official subs are done by Nico and then handed to Crunchy and Hulu. The result is business like this or "CAT CAN TALK?"
No.89064
Famenag
Replies:>>89067
>>89063

Well I certainly hope it's someone good. No shoehorned in memes or unesscessary cursing.

That and my ISP has been known to pick up on Commie's torrents.
No.89065
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>89063

Yeah, I was wondering why there were so few contractions used (e.g. "I am" instead of "I'm") and other oddities (e.g. "Cat can talk?") that made the dialogue read unnaturally.
No.89067
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
>>89064
Why I had to switch to downloads, they like to throttle torrents in these parts
No.89068
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
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Heh "Meatball Signal" Overall not bad, the models look a little odd, in looking older than the girls they are portraying. But the humor is still here so there is that.
No.89069
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>89068

Yeah, I was worried that the new designs wouldn't have the capability for some of the outlandish facial expressions that helped make the original show so memorable, but the show surprised me in that area. I don't expect they'll go as far as the original series, but there's still a capacity for some excellent reaction faces (to wit: the attached image).

Also surprising: the soundtrack. Good lord, that OST is gonna be amazing. Not a fan of the OP and ED themes, but they fucking NAILED the transformation theme (that whole sequence looked spectacular, BTW).
No.89070
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89074
Yeah, I couldn't tell if the writing for the show was just super generic or if the subs on Hulu were super not good. I'll probably stick with Hulu, though, as Sailor Moon has never had deep plot and I can pick up the general idea without having to seek out torrents.
No.89071
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89079
>>89062

http://nangbaby.com/post/90870702188/

Translation: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW VIZ ISN'T CATERING TO MY NOSTALGIA FOR A SHITTY '90S ANIMU DUB, FUCK THEM AND EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM
No.89072
Anonymous
Replies:>>89073
As far as this episode goes, it's everything I wanted in a more manga-focused Sailor Moon. Romance is already more tangible which is nice. The animation is gorgeous although I do agree that they look much older than what they're supposed to be (high school versus middle). And their eyes are a bit too big, even for anime proportions. Totally minor complaints. Music makes me feel early 90s which I guess is fitting. ED was my favorite. Also lol those shoujo flower overlays over people were great, really loving that.

Hulu's/Nico's subs are the worst though.
No.89073
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>89072

>those shoujo flower overlays

Got a very Utena vibe off those (and the commercial break images).
No.89074
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
Replies:>>89094
>>89070i
>f the subs on Hulu were super not good. I'll probably stick with Hulu
It's the subs. The subs are trash. Now if you're expecting something "groundbreaking" well, Sailor Moon wrote most of the cliches this genre is built around so...

As for Hulu, why in the world would you stick with the one service where even if you subscribe they still cram 12 ads down your throat? Use NicoNico or Crunchy if you insist on the official subs.
No.89075
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
Replies:>>89078
All that sub drama aside though god is it pretty.
No.89078
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
Replies:>>89081
>>89075
indeed, Luna looks a bit better animated
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It was pretty fine.
Can't wait for hearing Ami's new VA.

>>89071

Oh wow, it's that crazy obsessed 90's girl again!
No.89081
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89083
>>89078
I thought Luna was too... round. Like they did that whole circle outline thing and then said "You know what, this is good, color it in." She had more definition, especially in the head, in the original.
No.89082
Anonymous
http://fairymascot.tumblr.com/post/90948255760/thanks-anon-it-was-exactly-what-i-expected-it
This kind of reactions from the anime purists are always hilarious.
No.89083
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
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>>89081
Yea she did look like a collection of balls from some angles
No.89084
Deon
Replies:>>89085
But did she have the glasses that detect danger that she immediately throws away never to use again?
No.89085
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
>>89084
Mercury? She's not shown up yet just a teaser of her Blue Bonce at the end of the episode. I hope she gets upgraded gear since the Pocket Comp is pretty dated now.
No.89087
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89090
>>89085

I'm pretty sure Toei decided to update tech stuff like that so that Crystal fits with modern times.
No.89089
Deon
Replies:>>89090
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>>89085
No, Sailor Moon's
No.89090
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
>>89087
That should be interesting maybe some holographic display stuff.

>>89089

did that transition to the anime, or was it the mirror she had. I forget since its been so long.

Crystal it just looks like that is the noted "Meatball Signal" where she just heard her friend was in danger.
No.89094
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>89074
Does Cruncyroll not have ads? I use Hulu's free service and am content with the ads in return; I'll never pay them a red cent so long as their paid service still has ads. Plus, it's my main streaming site, and Crystal is favorited and automatically added to my queue, so unless I'm losing a lot with the poor translation I can deal with it in return for the convenience.
No.89095
Anonymous
Replies:>>89098
>>89094
Last time I used it (which was admittedly months ago) Crunchyroll didn't have ads for subscribers. Non-subscribers on the other hand have to deal with low-def video and ads.
No.89096
Jumpman
Replies:>>89098
>>89094
The ads on Crunchyroll (non subscribers) are far less intrusive than Hulu's.
No.89098
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
>>89095
Hmm. Thing is, I'm not nearly as much into anime now as I once was, so I don't know if I would consider subscribing for the sake of a handful of series when there's nothing I'm seriously into right now. Good to know, though; thanks.

>>89096
As in shorter/less frequent? I wouldn't say that Hulu's are intrusive (in that they don't overlay the video you're viewing, you just get ~2 minutes of ads at intervals.)
No.89100
Jumpman
Viz dub preview of the original series at the 15 minute mark.

Anime Expo 2014: The Official …youtube thumb

Stephanie Sheh as Usagi works for me.
No.89101
Anonymous
>>89100
Johnny Yong Bosch as Artemis is going to be weird though.
No.89102
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>89100

I’m good with Sheh!Usagi. Her voice fits better than I thought it would from the brief preview at the end of the announcement trailer (big shock, I know).

Personally, I’m waiting for the Sailor Moon R movie.
No.89110
Anonymous
http://comicsalliance.com/sailor-moon-crystal-episode-1-review-anime/

And Chris Sims seems to be pleased.
Wasn't he a comic book reviewer?
No.89123
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89124
http://nangbaby.com/post/91321196078/

The stupid. It burns. It burns so damn much, yet I can’t look away.
No.89124
Anonymous
>>89123
Wow, just wow.
Not even GEEWUNS from Transformers fandom are that obsessively crazy.
No.89165
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89167
>>89160

Nangbaby, as expected, tossed an insane bitchfit about this. Haw.

As for the actual clip itself: still not quite sold on Stephanie Sheh as Usagi (it'd take getting used to), but Mamoru's voice is dead-on perfect.
Replies:>>89168
>>89165
Re-dubs always take extra time. It took me a bit to get used to the Funimation One Piece vs. 4kids. While Funimation had far better quality overall (and less "YO HO HO"), I thought the 4Kids dub had better voices for Chopper and one other character I forget right now. It also made more sense for me when Chopper's voice got deeper when he used his larger forms, vs. the original and Funimation voices where he is always high pitched except when he turns turns into/uses Monster Point.
No.89168
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89172
>>89167

I’m personally waiting to hear Ami and Luna’s voices. I loved the original dub’s voice for Luna and Ami’s first dub voice, so I have a bit of a nostalgic attachment to them.
No.89173
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
And what do you know, Viz posted a preview with Luna just a little while ago...

Sailor Moon - OFFICIAL DUB CLI…youtube thumb

...HOLY CRAP IT'S RUKIA.

Once again, my nostalgia for the classic dub voices stands at odds with the actual quality of the new dub. It's going to take a looooooooooooooot of watching to get used to hearing Rukia's voice coming out of Luna's mouth.
No.89175
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
Replies:>>89194
Luna's voice is the only one I remember at all, but Michelle Ruff's voice is totally fine to me. Having a mental connection between Disgaea/Persona and a thing I haven't seen since I was like, 7, is weird though.

But hey, it's not like I'm going to watch it so :V
No.89194
Anonymous
>>89175
Yeah, I don't have a problem with Ruff's voice for the role in theory, but it's going to take some adjustment to deal with the fact that Luna's speaking with the voice of Etna/Rita/Rukia/etc.
No.89204
Jumpman
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No.89211
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89214
And now, a preview of the new dub voices for Queen Beryl and Jadeite.

Sailor Moon - Official English…youtube thumb

I like 'em. They both fit well.
No.89214
Anonymous
Replies:>>89225
>>89211
I've only ever known Cindy Robinson from her godawful Labrys voice, huh, she's not actually half bad.
No.89225
Anonymous
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>>89214
>godawful Labrys voice
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Was there really that much of QUALITY on the latest SMC?
I didn't noticed it that much. Except for Luna's body.

>>89224
Heh, nice!
No.89231
Anonymous
Replies:>>89242
>>89227
I definitely noticed Ami's eyes in that one scene, but it's possible I only noticed because I had seen that parody image in this thread first.
No.89235
TeethandHunger
Moon Animate Make-Up!youtube thumb

Sailor Moon ep remade shot-by-shot, by many artists, in each artist's personal styles. I liked it, it was silly.
Saw it on /co/ prime.
No.89242
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89243
>>89231
I noticed it before I saw that image. That was the only QUALITY I recall noticing, though; didn't catch >>89227.
No.89243
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
>>89242
heh it's one step away from just being a walking group of balls. gonna have a hangout tomorrow, watch some old Sailor Moon and stuff
No.89311
Famenag
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Sigh.
No.89312
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>89311

…goddammit, Toei.

And I had decent-to-high hopes for this.
>>89311
>load and loads of DOSH from Toei's other franchises
>still QUALITY
WELP
I could(maybe) make me a blind eye if this was Precure, but this has no excuse.
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...now go back to sleep.
No.89316
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89318
>>89315

I really, really hope Toei spends some extra dosh to correct this lazy bullshit for the Blu-rays.
>>89316
That's my only hope right now. Those who don't use fansubs are only used to the DVD quality, and it's well known that TV production is often rushed to put on the air and greatly improved later, so this might just be a case of not being used to QUALITY.
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Jumpman
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No.89409
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89412
>>89406
I hope they redo this scene in Crystal.
No.89412
Anonymous
>>89409
Kinda doubt it. I'm pretty sure the Rainbow Crystals arc was unique to the first anime, and they seem to only be adapting chapters from the manga for Crystal.
No.89414
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89417
http://nangbaby.com/post/95076726593/

So, apparently, making a new dub of the old anime equals some form of genocide.

Oi.
No.89417
Sharkman Jhones
>>89414

Haha, this lady is great. I wonder if this is the Sailor Moon equivalent of getting pissed at Nintendo for "retconning" Princess Toadstool into Princess Peach, or the Green-Eyed Sonic the Hedgehog thing.

When they remade Thundercats, were there people who were this angry over Lion-O not being a kid who grew up at an accelerated rate thanks to Space-Pod hibernation?
No.89574
Jumpman
Replies:>>89585
Sailor Moon dub premier is tonight.

http://www.animationforadults.com/2014/09/moonlight-party-new-dub-for-original.html
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Anonymous
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>>89574

I watched the moonlight party for about twenty minutes before I had to bail

Christ, I had forgotten how annoying anime fans can be. Also Viz how do you not know how to do picture in picture on a stream?
No.89586
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
I watched for about 5 minutes myself before quitting (framerate so smooth it's like I'm really playing running through Blightown) and then watched the 4 episodes they put out with some people on IRC. It was actually pretty fun. I love Michelle Ruff as Luna.
No.89588
Anonymous
Replies:>>89589
>>89059

Does anyone know where you can watch the new dub?
No.89589
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>89597
>>89588

Hulu and Neon Alley. First four episodes are up right now, more episodes to follow soon.
DAT SUITE PRECURE REUNION 2014
Well, not really but close enough for me.
No.89597
Anonymous
Replies:>>89599
>>89589

any way to watch them in Canada?
No.89599
Rodyle !Cljnc/gZnM
>>89597
Proxies. Hola Unblocker is a browser extension that does the work for you, I'm told.
No.89902
Anonymous
Replies:>>89907
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I kind of wish they brought the new Sailor Moon series into the present time a little more and changed the art style up a bit like what they did with that Cutie Honey and Yatterman remake series. Bring Usagi's geekiness into the 21st Century.
No.89907
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89911
>>89902
I wouldn't have minded it, but you'd likely have gotten a lot of fan rage for changing things up from the manga, so whatever.
No.89911
Anonymous
Replies:>>89915
>>89907
Fans are already pretty divided on the series as a whole. The animation errors, the slavish devotion to the original manga--which has a lot of problems that the first anime fixed, like the pacing and the amount of personality injected into the individual characters. Even though the first anime had its own problems that came along with it--and there are still a lot of people who feel like the new series' character designs just don't work that well in an animated medium though designs like them were fine for the manga. The overfocus on the Usagi/Mamoru romance over the girls' friendship is sticking in a lot of people's craws too.

Honestly, if I had my druthers, Crystal would've been different. I would've liked to see something that took the best stuff from all the incarnations to date and made the "Ultimate Version of Sailor Moon." The pacing and personality of the original anime, some of the neat additional storylines and concepts from the toku series, but with more attention to the story skeleton outlined by the manga. And toss on top of all of that a modern, high budget anime veneer, including--as you mentioned--bringing the story into the 21st century.

But that's not what we got. I dunno. Crystal's not horrible or anything. But I just don't care about it as much as I had hoped I would. There's not much to look forward to in it because I already know all the story beats and they've made it clear they're not going to take any chances or try anything new, and the animation is going to be in many ways lower quality than the first anime despite the fact that the still frames from it might be prettier.
No.89915
Sharkman Jhones
>>89911

It's going the route of many other anime these days and making all of the corrections, touch-ups, and improvements on the Blu-Ray. Attack on Titan did it, and even though some might argue it didn't need it, even Kill La Kill threw in a few improvements here and there for the blu-ray.

It's a matter of budget, this is (so far) a 26 episode series that was gonna air on TV first, so they just save their best for when they have the time and money (the blu-rays.)
No.89917
Autonymoose !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89923
>>89915
Yeah, QUALITY is a well-known aspect of anime that airs for TV first, which is then touched up (sometimes completely redone) for video release. This doesn't apply to all series that air on TV, of course, but many fans (especially of the original SM series) are used to getting rips based on the DVDs and aren't as used to QUALITY.
No.89923
Anonymous
Replies:>>89924
>>89915
>>89917
The fact remains that "we'll touch it up on the DVD" wasn't really a problem for the original series, and given what a surefire money maker the franchise is, they could have afforded to give it a high enough budget to get it right the first time. They haven't convinced me the DVD is worth buying, so there's a good chance I'll never see the fixes they put in place.
No.89924
Autonywork !x4vv0ZYuAo
Replies:>>89930
>>89923
I don't disagree, but I don't think Crystal was made because the production company had a deep loyalty to Sailor Moon... more like they saw how well FMA Brotherhood did and, with the anniversary, decided to cash in that way.

I don't think QUALITY was a thing back in the early 90s when the Sailor Moon series was first released, was it? Certainly there would be touch-ups here and there, especially as series got the DVD treatment, but I don't think any of it was on the level of what you see today.
No.89930
Sharkman Jhones
Replies:>>89934
>>89924

QUALITY was a thing on pretty much any show, Gundam could have it, DBZ could have it, Sailor Moon wouldn't be any different. Stuff is higher res and more easily accessible, so it's quicker and easier than ever to catch this stuff, but even the manga itself had bad anatomy that required Takeuchi herself to come back and redraw stuff.

In my opinion, it's nothing new, and pretty much just something to sorta laugh about.
No.89934
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>>89930
I don't think he meant off-model animation in general, just cases where they really cheaped out on the TV version specifically so people would buy the DVD/BD. It's not even limited to in-between frames: for instance, Madoka had one scene where the BD had a completely different background because the TV version was apparently unfinished.
No.90283
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>90287
So, did this get any better, or what?
No.90287
Anonymous
Replies:>>90304
>>90283
Beats me.
But most of the haters of Crystal are hilarious when they're not obnoxious and/or sjw-like.
No.90304
Sharkman Jhones
Replies:>>90305
>>90287

Among them, Nangbaby is still my favorite for just utter incorrectness. Like, I can't even call it wrongness, because that has a chance of implying something raunchy or off-color, this person is just somehow...incorrect, and in a very train-wreck-hilarity kind of way. Like, calling the creator racist over the old dub. I think she also said the treatment of the old dub was anti-Black.

I guess because Serena shared a name with Serena Williams?
No.90305
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>90304

Nangbaby believes that Naoko Takeuchi should no longer have any control of the Sailor Moon franchise (and is a racist for innumerable reasons, including hatin’ on the DiC/Cloverway dub). She also thinks that people can’t empathize with other people without trying to talk over them (and that people can’t empathize with complete strangers). Here’s proof for the empathy thing: http://nangbaby.com/post/102823134238/

And while she’ll admit to the problems with the old dub, she’ll just as soon defend it by saying ‘it’s the version of Sailor Moon that we got first and a new dub is cultural genocide and racist and sexist and homophobic and YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THEY’RE TRYING TO ERASE MY MEMORIES OF SERENA WHY AREN’T YOU LISTENING TO ME YOU BASTARD’…or something equally as crazed, anyway.

I hadn’t checked on her blog in months, but when I went back the other day (which prompted the bump that pushed this thread up), it was filled with just as much insane ramblings as it has ever been. This is an actual quote from a recent post of hers (http://nangbaby.com/post/103025884598/):

>I’m boycotting because many aspects I liked about the old Sailor Moon anime — such as the Negaverse, names which included my language and culture even when the appearances did not, and the strong, gender-trope defying female characters — are replaced by alienating names coupled with the same alienating appearances, queercoded sissy villains and needlessly antagonistic and stereotypical lesbians. Replacing “Usagi” for “Serena” uses cultural window dressing to justify the problematic appearance, just as flattening unique women into stereotypical gay characters uses the idea of representation to justify sexism.

In other words: ‘I’m boycotting because I can’t deal with Japanese names for the Sailor Scouts and there’s a bunch of shit in there that’s partly a product of the cultural attitudes in ’90s Japan.’
No.90306
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
And you know, it’s funny that Nangbaby declares the idea of empathy for complete strangers as a fraud, then turns around and declares her undying love for fictional characters.

I mean, it’s like she doesn't realize that fiction relies on empathy to build an emotional connection between the reader and the work.
No.90332
Anonymous
This one Crystal hater can be hilarious at times, just as we see how childish she is.
http://crystalquality.tumblr.com/
No.90561
Anonymous
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It seems more former precure VA's are taking over Crystal.
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T4 was here
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Given her diet, this looks works.
I like it.
No.92743
Anonymous
>>92742
If she's Japanese with Japanese parents why does she have blonde hair and blue eyes?
No.92744
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>92743

It's just anime, you should really just relax.
No.92745
Anonymous
>>92742
I agree--and the story itself often makes jokes about her being chubby or worried about her weight. That would make a lot more sense if she were actually kind of curvy. And she's still adorable, and probably even more of an "every girl" this way.
No.92746
Anonymous
>>92743
May as well ask why does Ami have blue hair and Michiru have green.

It's because anime likes to use creative color palettes than just giving everybody the same hair color and eye color. it's especially important when all the characters wear uniforms so that you can tell characters apart from far away easily. This is easier with live action, but with cartoons where the designs are simplified and stylized, palette differences can be important for that sort of thing.

For that matter, it's just more fun for the artists to use lots of different colors when drawing. And in the original manga of course, Usagi's hair was often pink when it was colored, rather than blonde--lighter pink than Chibi-Usa's, but definitely pink. It's just artistic expressiveness.
No.418966
Anonymous
>>92742
>something something social-tumblr reddit-justice