/cog/ - Traditional & Video Gaming

Eh, I've been passin' some whiskey. And occasionally playing TF2.

I haven't payee in over a year. Any good new weapons?

>>187579
>new guns in TF2
>not THOUSANDS OF COSMETIC ITEMS
Haha, what do you think you're even playing, a video game?

Oh if he can be airblasted while the chute is open, Dickblasting Pyros playing keep away with the solider or boosting his air time.

Aw yis, I've long desired a soldier parachute. Combine with the Mantreads for precision Goomba Stomp.

>>187654
I like that Facestab was considered as an actual item at one point.

>>187655
Even more interesting if friendly pyros could also add air to the parachute, which could be helpful in some scenarios (especially paired with a skilled flarejumper). Also, depending on how limited mobility is, pyros could still be a problem with airblasting the rockets back (I assume this would be a secondary item.)

>>187656
wonder if one could pop the chute while deployed or is it jammed your respawn while the Solder was still afloat and he died. Now then its Dick Pyros keeping a solider corpse airborne to keep him from spawning, though more likely if he dies the chute then fails and he just crashes to earth.

Hotline Fortress 2: Wrong Number

http://highlanderopen.org/

If I could get my graphics driver to stop crashing at random while playing TF2, I would be all over this. I've never done competitive before, and have some interest in it, but don't really know anyone/group to get involved with.

>>187675
>don't really know anyone/group to get involved with.

Pretty much this.
I'm not much for competitive matches, but even then I have a desire now and then to play as a team, tuning in the hardcore dificulty. Finding game partners is always the main problem with this.

I also forgot to say, the closest thing to that is playing MVM on hard difficulties, Mann Up only, and being part of a special group for that and/or having game partners willing to play often.

Which in my case it is.

And YET.

I'm not even sure how I feel about this change.

>>187883
>Undocumented changes

>Updated the backpack icons for the Director's Vision, Meet the Medic, Schadenfreude, High Five! and Shred Alert taunts.
>Added a prompt above players in the High Five! taunt pose.
>Taunts that were push-to-hold are now toggles. Pressing the action key once will let the player hold their pose until the action key is pressed again
>Moved the Director's Vision from the Action slot to the currently unused Taunt slot.
>Fixed Spy's revolvers not using the Spy's hand in reload animations.
>Bread props now sometimes spawn when using a Teleporter.
>Updated the equip_region of El Muchacho.
>Updated the item type of Brawling Buccaneer and Hornblower.
>Added console commands tf_taunt_move_forward_speed, tf_allow_sliding_taunt and taunt_by_name.
>Dispensers now cost 70 metal when using the Gunslinger.
>Fixed a bug that let players move while taunting.

>>187901
>Dispensers now cost 70 metal when using the Gunslinger.

That part was just a mistake: it was patched out later in the same day.

If Valve is actually trying to make TF2 less shitty and hat focused I may have to dip back into it. Until then I've since switched teams to loadout and outside of Valves halloween events have been having far more fun than I have with TF2 in the past few years.

http://www.teamfortress.com/countdown/suspense.htm

FUCK. I DON'T HAVE REGULAR INTERNET NOW.

Of course, the script for the countdown is from the DOTA 2 website, so it might be that I won't give a fuck anyway. I hope.

In Robin we trust.

>>188065
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 2 - TIME

I can't wait to see all the new hats that launch with the movie

>LOVE & WAR UPDATE
>Day 1
>15 minute movie "Expiration Date"
>Multiple new two-person taunts, with achievements

Derp, link: http://www.teamfortress.com/loveandwar/

DAT FUCKING SHORT.

Valve, if you ever make a feature-length TF2 movie, I will sell my own kidney on the black market to get the money to pay for a ticket.

Well that was pretty funny. Saw some new weapons sprinkled in, but not too much. (first new thing since 2012 maybe?)

Some of the animations lacked impact and seemed a bit clunky, but it was some good stuff.

Anyone know how to pull 1080p off Youtube my current stuff doesn't seem to work anymore since they changed the stream code. I want some HD Pauline

>I have done nothing but teleport bread for the past three days
To be honest, I imagined Ms. Pauling's voice to be more high-pitched. It's too... normal sounding.

Good stuff. I wonder if they'll be doing any more shorts like this. The Frankenbread seems like a Halloween event, though, so odd that we're getting it now. Boss battle mode?

>>188112
And her hair physics. Going full tilt.

>>188114
All the Figma, tis a riot looking at their stern and yelling faces. It really needs a comical dub.

Oh god "I teleported bread" isn't going to become the next cake is it?

What the fuck was up with Engineer and Soldier's voices at several points? Sounded nothing like the original voice actors at all.

>>188117
Soldiers VA has Throat Cancer don't know about Engie, Nolan North was subbing at points.

>>188117
Because they weren't.

>>188116
Oh come on, Soldier stole the show and he only had like 5 lines. You act like you've never spend three days doing nothing but teleporting bread before.

>>188115
The dub IS a comical dub.

>Update launches
>Medic doesn't get dick (again)
>Heavy gets another +/- stat weapon
>Demo gets more Demoknight melees
>Engineer gets something that's a cool idea, but useless
>Soldier gets all the fun and creative stuff again
>Valve continues to not know what the fuck to do with Pyro
>Sniper gets another point and click adventure style rifle
>Spy gets another thing that people will use to grief for another 100000 years
>Scout gets a new melee and secondary; both of which are still far inferior to his defaults in every way
>8000000 hats

My hopes can't be dashed if I don't get them up.

>>188118
Soldier has throat cancer? Really? Source cuz that sucks.

>>188118
Actually aside from a few generic voice clips, Nolan North did ALL of Engineer's lines. Didn't really recognize it wasn't the original most of the time. Damn that guy got range even if he's not allowed to use it most of the time.

>>188123
Yeah, I didn't catch the difference in the voice until the scene where the Medic and Engie figured out the frankenbread.

>>188120
http://www.teamfortress.com/loveandwar/index2.htm

>>188137
>All those reskins at the bottom (seriously what's the fucking point?)
>Another demo shield that's superior to the other demo shields in every way just like the one before it
>Rocket Jumping tools
>More point and click adventures for Sniper
>Ok Scout primary
>Pyro, Medic, and Engi snubbed again
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>188137
>Shield
>Sniper
Wow it's like they didn't even bother to playtes-
>Valve
Oh ok

>Scattergun
>Minicrits
You'll get one shot off on their back. Two if you're lucky. Three if you really know what you're doing

>Parachute (Demo and Soldier)
What slot is this even? Neat.
>Rocket
Combine with Goombastompers and that shovel I can't remember the name of

>Reskins
Sup craft trash?

>firing the full clip of the air strike only does the damage of 2.25 regular rockets before your first kill

>if you jump with the 1st one you only have 2 rockets which together will only do 1.5 regular rocket damage

basically useless unless you're up against complete scrubs who you can get the first kill on despite being crippled. at least the clip size increase may work when using it on the ground or other weapons. maybe.

Fuh. BASE Jumper is the only weapon I'm interested in. Hope tomorrow is good, otherwise I'll pretend there's no update and Valve just released a short.

Tomorrow will just be maps and/or game modes as usual and that's even IF they do a day 3 since there was just an update tonight that added more cosmetics (yay 40+ new useless things) and the new weapons.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3244671

>Those Heavy, Engi, and Pyo changes
>Hey we know you guys didn't get anything new, so we just made your old stuff worse
>Have fun XDDD

I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed. /vg/ is losing its shit over the taunts though, just like Valve wants people too. Tons of metal and keeps are being thrown around.

It's cute how it takes three hats to make a bead box and the bread box contains reskins that aren't even stranges most of the time according to people uncrating.

>The Axtinguisher now does mini-crit damage from the front and full crit damage from behind to burning targets

Yes, YES
I've been waiting for something like this.
I fucking despised with a passionate hatred the axtinguisher+degreaser combo, and this is a fine nerf for that.

Team Fortress 2: Love and War …
What TF2 Has Become

In an unexpected turn of events, /vg/ loves the hell out of this update and Plus4 hates it.

the conga to victory

>>188156
No, reality has started to set in for a decent amount of folks on /vg/

Eh, it may not be as perfect as I expected, but I still love this update.

>>188159
What is the problem here?

Not even a "new" map? Full meh.

>>188147
>>Sentry bullets are now affected by damage falloff outside of sentry scan range
Oh ho! Now a single Wrangler won't be as effective as a wall.

>>188152
M-m-muh puff-n-sting...

DAY 3 IS HERE!
[spoiler]lol jk, just bug fixes

>>188186
We will never again have a Day 3, Gaben found out about TF2 updates and expanded his ban on "3" to include them.

>>188186
Day 1 was love
Day 2 was war
Update was called Love and War

Shame it wasn't called Love, War, and Actual Weapon Updates

Some are saying the Bread Sapper is super quiet and doesn't make the beep beep static sounds.

>>188228
And these are...?

>>188229

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Mann_Co._Stockpile_Crate#Stockpile

>All those conga lines
>All that Strange weapon farming
My god, it was glorious...

>>188268
You know, I figured it would happen eventually, but already conga is getting old.

I mean it was funny as fuck the day of release, and I mean it was glorious. But the joke is over guys, fucking stop. It's essentially an official version of "friendly pootis heavy" and spycrab. "y u kill conga, u no fun :c" It's especially annoying when the characters won't shut the hell up. I've heard "CONGA CONGA CONGA, LET US DANCE GENTLEMEN" a million times already and it's driving me up the wall.

I miss when taunts were just a quick funny thing you could do that didn't interrupt the game for more than a few seconds, not something you could use to troll your own team when they're losing and need you right now.

http://backpack.tf/market

Just found this. Pretty handy and not too gougy on most items.
Traded someone today for a Strange Flamethrower with Extinguished and Post Humorous parts on it for 2.66 Ref so that was nice.

I kind of want more strange parts or to get one of the weapon sheens, but they're either expensive or tacky. Also most of my resources are tied up in warehouse points.

This is the first time I've played the game since the Halloween update and even then I didn't play much. Holy fuck am I shit at the game now. I miss Vanilla. And being good.

Any good class tutorial videos around or should I just keep rolling Medic necause at least I'm still ok at that.

>>188364
Check the wiki, there are good tips and tutorials.

>>188384
I'll check again. I remember back during Halloween, they where still quite dated, but I'll check again.

>Valve reverts Sticky change
>DemoMains the world round celebrate by continuing to not learn how to adapt or play their class

Considering trading my Genuine Ball Kicking Boots. They an't doing me any good anyway:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/866715
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20642337
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10163516

>the Black Scottish Cyclops retakes his throne

On one hand, yay, unneeded Engineer buff reverted. On the other, boo, Demomen can once again shut down entire servers as soon as more than one exists.

>>188403

And here I thought that Demo wouldn't be one-sided anymore and make things like Demoknight* more viable.

*Although, the introduction of the Tide Turner made it less of a joke subclass and more viable now in PvP, the other shields really need to catch up with it.

http://tf2r.com/raffles.html

Pretty neat thing.

I can't play TF2 anymore with all the people who act like children, trash talking shit like "git gud scrub".

>>188503
Hence why I'm back to PonyFortress. Solid Play on the normal and the Hero Server is a nice alternative sometimes.

>>188504
>I wanted to avoid people who act like children
>So I went to PonyFortress

>>188507
Funny but true.

TF2: BASE Jumper
Oh Star.

>>188564
Good lord his last few gameplay videos have been godtier.
He's what I WANT to be...

All the combos I think of and the way I play... and he just does it.

And why yaoi writers? Can't slash and yuri writers be offended, too? That article offends them for not being mentioned.

>>188612
>for every good writer there WILL be nine that are indefensibly awful no matter what they write about
>nine
Whoa, you must be one hell of an optimist.

[SFM] America
Happy MURRIKKKKA day everyone!

Am I the only one who wants this game to well...end? I realize it's still extremely popular and they're going to milk it for all it's worth until the end of time, but I want there to be a final update. I mean just a REALLY huge update to end TF2 with a bang. End the story in the comics, add a whole slew of new cosmetics, new taunts, new weapons, perfectly rebalanced weapons, new maps, a new game mode or two, and the biggest and most ambitious SFM movie to date. And then just stop, and any further updates are bugfixes or rebalanced weapons.

Has anyone made heads or tails of the spawn room bulletin boards yet?

>>188708
We only have three of the six promised comics in this mini-series, so it's not certain where those are heading. Considering it started with disbanding the mercs, it could be heading towards a game wrap-up and/or lead into TF3. But hats and keys are still easy money, so even if Valve did move on to another game they would likely still release cosmetic community items for as long as those items bring in more money than it costs to make them.

>>188928
I think you misread the date on that post.

Goddammit, false alarm, I confused the dates. And I can't delete that post.
Nothing is happening.

Well, I gotta admit, Valve has been shipping a lot of updates recently. Minimal updates and/or bug fixes, but in the end they are paying attention to the game.

>>189469
I enjoy playing them, because they do away with the "why the fuck did you guys vote for dustbowl AGAIN" feeling. Even if we play it endlessly, every two weeks or so it gets an update that can majorly change it, so it's not "Yeah, a sniper goes here, a sentry goes here, the scout gets behind them here, we all know the drill" and adds an extra level of interest to the maps.

Of course, of the times I've played catcuscanyon (and have yet to see a cactus) I've gotten to the third part exactly once.

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=14274
>Snipers can no longer jump immediately after firing a scoped shot
I... uh. Okay? This makes sniper dueling a tad harder, I guess.

>Updated pl_cactuscanyon
>Stage 2
>Removed from the sequence so stage 1 links to stage 3
Stage 2 was the most annoying part of it, especially that giant downhill corridor. I wish they would expand Stage 3 a bit to make up for it, though; maybe an initial capture point before you get into the train yard.

>>189540
I didn't say I wasn't aware of it. Just that I haven't seen it.

>>189623
I've always just ducked instead.

>>189625
Same. Maybe ducking is slower than jumping and you're less likely to get headshot if you jump? I dunno.

>>189909
So they can translate eat babies but not team demoman?

>>189925
It's very obviously not a mistake but a deliberate attempt to misinform and create ressentiments.

>>189926
Its a really pathetic attempt, the shots showing putin hunting topless and playing judo with people were blatantly obvious propaganda but this is straight-up Fox News level stupid that can be easily disproved.
Hell there's alot of Russians on Steam.

>>189925
I don't think anything was translated, they just saw a guy eating a baby and somehow thought Soldier was German? Then Putin said "good enough" and they put it out.

>>189933
The pic was a parody of actual American propaganda from WWI and WWII depicting Germans like some sort of goblin people, though I've never seen one with actual baby eating.

>>189935
Which makes it all the more humorous because I'm sure the original posters are somewhere on the internet, yet the station went with a video game parody.

//youtube.com/watch?v=NltVN-_dzSA
Thanks Honest Trailers.

>>189955
It's not like it's her fault these chods are doing this, she's been Buster Keatoning her way through this.

//youtube.com/watch?v=FN2SKWSOdGM

Zoe Quinn's not a good person but this has gone on far too long and gone way too far.

>>189957
"Not a good person" in what sense, based on the new revelations? Or do you just feel that the premeditated and malicious slander that she has now shown to have taken place against her still counts despite how she's now shown it to all be faked?

>>189957
I'm sorry what? How is she not a good person, for godsake look at this bullshit that's been happening, her composure is remarkable.

>>189959
>>189960
As I said this has gone too far, this should never have been an issue for the industry, it was strictly something between her and her BF that has spun into utter madness with death threats and shit that shouldn't be happening.

Cheating's still bad though. Also Depression Quest is an incredibly condescending portrayal of depression that has always kind of bothered me but that's besides the point.

The normally awful Escapist did a strangely thorough bit of coverage of the last 3-4 weeks, and the thread afterward talks about more chatlogs and other things. It's the most sane bit of discussion I've seen, everywhere else, SA, /v/, twitter, tumblr, is so fucking emotionally charged half the time it's impossible to even tell what is currently going on aside of the usual deafening SJW/MRA screamfest.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.859977-Exclusive-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond-to-Gamergate-Chat-Logs

>>189955
>>189956
>>189957
>>189959
>>189960
>>189961
I feel it incumbent to point out that this is the Team Fortress 2 thread.

Who wants to start the next general?

>>189963
Done, now back to business.

I hope we get a Boss mode, like MvM but made for a larger team against a single large opponent. Weak points, flip it over, massive damage, etc. The bread monster from the recent short gave me the idea, and I was disappointed it wasn't part of the Love & War update.

Instead of the medic shield (which would be useless for this) the alternate-uber would make the target hulk out and grow huge for devastating damage.

Well the clothing is up now and all the Scream Fortress things have me feeling hopeful that this year won't suck and we'll get a decent amount of non restricted items. Maybe even a weapon reskin or two...

Also that crab Spy plush is adorable. The little cigarette totally sells it.

>>190001
I felt the Map from last year was quite fun.

>>190010
The Halloween maps are almost always fun. However they do skimp quite a lot on cosmetics and items that you can use more than 30 days max a year while they seem perfectly ok with players running around in santa and christmas tree hats wearing elf booties and beating people with candy canes all the while releasing reskins on top of it.
This in comparison with the restricted items and a map that's only played 2 weeks on and then forgotten about and rarely revisited the next year makes the whole ScreamFortress thing rather underwhelming in any lasting way.

>>190053
They raised the hitbox?

Wait what

>>190053
>>190058
What did it look like before? I can only find pictures of projectile hitboxes for classes (which actually go to the SIDES even farther than that).

I've consistently found the worst thing about Mini-sentries is that nothing else in the game you have to hit is that small, so I'd rather they make the model taller than change the hitbox back.

>>190052
>>190058
>>190059
>>190060
Would you fucking relax? It's a bugfix, not a nerf. From the very beginning, as a Sniper (any class really) you could shoot the sentry's glowing light, but it would do no damage. Now you can. That's all it is.

>waahhh my spammable fun-destroyer is now slightly easier to hit

Eliminating those annoying instances of rockets and grenades passing THROUGH the damn thing was long overdue.

Can't wait for the inevitable idiotic Enginerd whining when Valve tries out a new Sticky nerf that doesn't also buff their class (hint: "Demo OP nerf pls" generally doesn't refer to his ability to counter you; that's his job).

Fuck Engineers. They won't be happy until it takes three simultaneous übers to get rid of one sentry.

>>190086
Have you tried maybe confirming your kills and actually looking at your screen when you play?
Nice blog about your point and click adventure though.

>>190086
>I think if I was ever in some sort of LAN party playing TF2, and someone dominated me consistently, I'd throw a bottle at his head.

So basically you are the sort of person that every gaming community needs fewer of?

>>190071

Annoying =/= OP

Also, the engineer has never been OP, the exceptions would be when he is using certain unlocks, and the gunslinger certainly wasn't one of them.

Also, demoman has been the most OP of the classes since forever (followed by the medic), engineer or not.

>>190107
Mini was never about having it in the open, though; stealth is a big thing, leading unsuspecting opponents into a corridor with it hidden. I have it paired with the revenge shotgun (forget the name at the moment) for Attacking.

I should play around and see how pairing it with the Eureka Effect (lead someone into a trap, teleport while they're distracted by the mini, repeat) and/or the Rescue Ranger (lead into trap, use RR to pick up from distance as enemy turns to destroy it, place down immediately) works. At least then I won't get mad when I lose my Revenge shots...

>>190106
>Annoying =/= OP

Yeah, that's why I called it the fun-destroyer.

>Engineer unlocks

Yes, those were always the problem. Never stopped Engineer fanboys from defending them though.
Triple health, double DPS and infinite range for the sentry? JUST USE SIMULTANEOUS ÜBERS LOL
Piercing infinte range flamethrower particles that drain über? JUST DODGE IT LOL
Completely negating one hard counter and one soft counter? JUST PLAY SPY LOL

>demoman has been the most OP of the classes since forever

Against players. When Valve reverted the Sticky nerf, Engineer fanboys had the gall to claim that Demomen easily being able to destroy sentries is "winbombing" and that a sentry should always require more than one player to take it down.

Fuck Engineers.

>>190108

Frontier Justice.

And you are right, the mini wasn't made to blatantly deploy it in front of the enemy, but the thing is, mine kept getting destroyed easily even on high grounds where it (used) to excel.
Now, I usually play with good players and those things should be expected from them, but now they just delete it as soon as someone sees it without doing much difference at all, I might as well just use my shotgun or pistol.

Also
>Pairing Mini Sentry with Eureka Effect
wat

>>190109

Yeah, it wouldn't be that bad if, for example, the Pompson hadn't infinite ammo (but then you may have a dispenser) and a hitbox of a truck. They do need work, specially the cheap circuit.

>Against players.
And EVERYTHING else, too. And I wasn't at favor of the last nerf valve proposed for the sticky launcher, it was horrible. Still, the problem isn't the demoman at all, it's the darn SL; it has proven to be the most versatile and dangerous weapon of the game, even more than the medigun/minigun, I don't even know why Valve classifies it as secondary weapon.
And I'm saying this as a player that doesn't stick to 1 or 2 classes only, I actually play demoman at times.

>>190111
The Pomson needs a different concept entirely because the Engineer has no business countering übercharges. Thankfully Valve removed the penetration so you can at least hide behind teammates (like you're already supposed to do anyway).

>And EVERYTHING else, too.

The Stickybomb Launcher was never intended to be a purely defensive weapon. While it is without question the best weapon in the game, it functioning as a sentry counter is necessary. What else short of an übercharge reliably counters sentries? Rockets and grenades can be out-repaired and Spies need team support to do anything at all against a non-potato Engineer.

I'm not expecting a solution anytime soon though. Valve "balances" the game around bad players (e.g. Wrangler still has the shield, no Atomizer nerf, Reserve Shooter buff, nerfed Axtinguisher instead of Degreaser, bullshit DDS buff still not reverted), so nerfing stickies just turns Heavy-Medic combos into the new gamebreakers.

>>190112

Point taken. And as long as things like the -actual- wrangler exist, I wouldn't mind having the SL around more; one good example is mvm, bots aren't smart enough to get the work done but they do pack a lot of raw power, specially in groups. Even a non-upgraded sentry with the wrangler is their bane, see that wave of soldiers/demos coming? A giant causing havoc? They are already dead because their target just takes that long to die.

Actually, there are only 2 things I didn't like about the Mini-Sentry:
- Having knockback; the only nerf it needs is reduced knockback or none at all, besides a fair hitbox adjustment, but that last one is more neutral.
- Wrangled ones; OH BOY if that's not bullshit.

Something that I didn't noticed from the last update.
>Completed permanent removal of previous stage 2 from the map

That's too bad.

>Added experimental cpu_frequency_monitoring convar to detect thermal throttling.

It's like Valve is actually trying to care about performance.

I want Valve to create a female merc team. I believe they have the ability to pull off realistic female mercenaries, without needing to give everyone yoga pants and massive cleavage. While the community might rage (because women in games just does that, I guess), it would be a huge middle finger to a number of other devs, namely Ubisoft and their "women are hard to put in a game" line.

As a cherry on top, they can create Sexy outfits... for the male mercs only.

Pyro would still be pyro, though; the uniform material is the only thing that changes.

>>190211
That's from the huge update from today, right?

>>190214
Well if they are TF3, most would be big Russian ladies with Uncle Heavy still being the Heavy. One sister has already staked her claim.

>Demoman can no longer detonate sticky bombs while taunting
Incoming butthurt

>Strange Ranks are no longer displayed on the web (Trade, Steam backpack, Market) and only show 'Strange' as a prefix
Why?

>Continued art-pass process
I assume that means that more textures have been filled in. If so, neat.

>>190218
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=14397
Yeah.

>>190214
Uhh people have been doing that for quite a while, most likely Valve will hire ChemicalAlia as an official designer or something. I know she did a Medic and Heavy one and the Sniper and Engineer are pretty good.

>>190221
>Strange Ranks are no longer displayed on the web (Trade, Steam backpack, Market) and only show 'Strange' as a prefix
>Why?

Probably to prevent low-effort scams ("selling EPIC weapon")

>>190214

If they ever add female models the Pyro has to look exactly the same. Anything else would ruin the joke.

>>190222
Her Spy is pretty great as well.

>>190222
Her Spy is pretty great as well.

>>190214
People never raged about the fanmade female models that already exist, I don't see why female mercs who aren't DoA characters would piss them off than any of the other shit they tend to cry about (OK so they did a little, there was a lot of outrage over a crappy Scout Rule 63 made early on because it was too "sexy" and looked dumb as shit).

The TF2 community might be a bunch of whiny babies but it's not like they're Red Pill goddamnit. Even /v/'s misogyny is motivated half the time by sheer contrarianism and loledgy kids. I can bet if society actually regressed to 1800's gender roles they'd change their tune and become misandrists instead.

>>190231
I would rage simply because I don't believe in the whole "selectable gender/sexuality/religious beliefs" crap in so many games nowadays. Unless the MC is literally meant to represent the player, you can have a much stronger character if you design them from the ground up instead of leaving it up to the player to decide. Which is what Valve did when making the game. You want equal representation in games? Make a fucking female character that's fleshed out and interesting, don't make a stupidly generic one and throw in a bunch of options for players to have it their way to please the media and tumblr crowd.

I mean if you're going to have female mercs, you might as well have a selectable skin color, language, accent and body type for every merc as well. It seems like a waste of time in order to please a very, very small minority. (Seriously, how many women who play TF2 go "Man this game is so fun, if only I was playing as a girl"?)

And before you filter this whole post as "MRA misogyny" bullshit, I'm a woman and have logged in probably 2k hours on this game.

>>190233
Alright, you goddamn MRA. A single set of new characters can't harm the game's visual identity any harder than the 5 billion or so hats that came before it.

>>190231
>The TF2 community might be a bunch of whiny babies but it's not like they're Red Pill goddamnit
I meant gaming community at large; at least in the TF2 circles I see, I think they'd be indifferent about it.

>>190233
>I mean if you're going to have female mercs, you might as well have a selectable skin color, language, accent and body type for every merc as well
Why not? The accent might not applicable since each class has a region stereotype they play to (female mercs could expand this), but if Demoman can be African-Scottsman (Scottish?) then I don't see why skin color can't be mixed up for other classes. Body type wouldn't really be an option, because Valve has made it clear they have a heavy focus on silhouettes to make it easy to identify class from a distance. (This also means the female mercs would be constrained in their body type so they would have a silhouette roughly matching their male counterparts.) Actually, they already have body type accessories for the Engineer (going super-fat), but those are relatively minor.

>It seems like a waste of time in order to please a very, very small minority.
My goal in suggesting it wasn't to please a minority (as you suggested, I don't know anyone--men or women--who complain about the lack of a female merc), but to rustle some jimmies (on both sides! I'm sure there would be feminists who will complain about the female mercs in some way) while probably also renewing interest in the game. At the very least, gaming media would be all over it. I am also highly interested in what Valve would do on an official basis.

Valve can only make so many hats, and since we've had an update for every class their "events" have been increasingly uninspired and haven't done much to change up gameplay. (Not that female mercs would change anything, gameplay-wise...) So it's either Team Fortress 3 or they start doing other kind of updates, and we know how Gaben feels about the number 3...

Valve isn't going to add female mercs because that'd require designing and implementing proper models, hiring VAs, and would piss off half the people asking for them anyway; it would also add either higher costs or more noticeable gaps to any future updates that add new voicelines.

>>190233
Don't worry, Valve won't hurt your precious feelings. They value money more than "tumblr cred".

Female mercs is totally a possibility in the event of a TF3 but they'd never add them to TF2 because part of TF2's design is that each class has a specific silhouette that allows for immediate identification, so you'd either have to make female versions that also somehow have the exact same builds as the male versions or add new classes.

Neither of these are going to happen.

>>190236
>it would also add either higher costs
Gaben can take a swipe of a fishing net in his money pit

>or more noticeable gaps to any future updates that add new voicelines.
Valve Time

>>190238
>spend money to please a minority of the players

Valve "could" also make all additional cosmetic items available for free, but they're a business. As long as their decisions don't actively screw players over I won't judge them for not making unprofitable changes.

I'd rather see Valve port TF2 to Source 2 for better performance and hit detection before sinking time and money on alternate merc models with entirely new voiceline sets.

>>190239
And I'd rather them make a new game than make a shitton of hats, but here we are. It'd be way less work than you're making it out to be, and they'd be just as able to make money from it as they do anything else. It's not like they'd be spending ten million dollars and would get back a twenty.

>>190239
>I'd rather see Valve port TF2 to Source 2 for better performance and hit detection before sinking time and money on alternate merc models with entirely new voiceline sets.
That's so gonna happen, according to most of rumors and the alpha release of Dota 2 Workshop Tools. Alongside L4D3 and HL3.

I can kinda understand where people are coming from about being hesitant about Valve implementing female skins because it's such a character-based universe and everyone is so well-established as an individual in terms of personality, voice, and appearance that it would feel like a copout to make them so moddable, like having a game where you can suddenly make Batman into a blond tan surfer dude that's not justified by it being a bonus Aquaman costume or something. And inserting original female mercs as their own characters would feel shoehorned considering it's such an old game that with the exception of Hale and some event bosses any new people are best left to the comics. If they go the latter route it should definitely be saved for a new game.

That said, I think female skins could still be implemented if there was an in-universe event where the cast got hit with a Rule 63 spell or something. Would circumvent the former issue since the characters are still ultimately the same people. It also has the potential to be extremely hilarious, give some talented modelers a boost-up, and they don't even have to record new lines, just pitch shift the current ones (which would be even funnier tbh). Long as they avoid any blatantly sexist jokes or general cheap "WHOA I GOT BOOOBIEES" humor it'll be fine for me and make me feel included, although Tumblr will always find an excuse to complain.

>>190244
>cast got hit with a Rule 63 spell or something
If they wanted to Deus Ex female mercs (femercs?) in, an alternate universe portal would work much better. After all, the game wouldn't force all female or all male (some servers might), and in-game there are somehow already "clones" of characters (the comics have never offered an explanation for this or even mentioned it, to my knowledge) so it would make more sense to present a female cast as co-existing with the original male cast.

Furthermore, a female cast that existed in their own right would allow Valve the opportunity to create new character setups without having to try to shoehorn in a 10th class. For example, the female Spy or Scout could be a ninja. The female Engineer could be a doughy New England professor. The female Heavy could be a Slavic or Canadian woodswoman ("Oh, mighty sorry about killing your entire team"). They could even have very different personalities; the only rigid requirements I can see are silhoutte ("class-at-a-distance") and weaponry.

I would be alright with a "whoops we're women now; well, time to kill the other women" setup, I guess, but avoiding that allows for much more potential. And, hey, maybe a larger cast would get Valve to release comics more than every two monthsonce a year!

››190248
I think new mercs, from a story perspective, could just be "Hey guys, we got all this money so we hired another set of mercs! Was told we were going to pay you double but that kind of a raise isn't happening on my watch!"

>>190247
If by "whole gaming community" you mean the dumbest part, which is also the most likely to jump at the chance to represent a poorly defined community to begin with?

Frankly, I would not mind if Valve canonized the whole "Pyro actually is a woman" thing.

>>190258
It'd be pretty silly for them to. That whole mystery fuels interest for the game.

>>190261
Yeah, the ambiguity is a core part of the Pyro's character. Pyro is just as likely to be a monkey as a woman.

>>190258
Revealing the Pyro's identity would kill the joke. Why do so many people not understand that?

i MISS WHEN tf2 gENERAL WOULD ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE GAME.

>>190258
Only if she's a really frumpy/old/plain jane lady and not the blond bombshell retarded fanartists keep drawing her as because there clearly aren't enough generic big tittied girls around in all of videogame-dom. Or the "trying so hard to be nonconventional and progressive it ironically becomes cliche as fuck" design Tumblr loves where she's an overweight ambiguously brown ambiguously trans piercing-studded dfab with an enormous, permanently blushed nose (see? not anime!) and pink-dyed Hitler Youth haircut.