/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>477610
Does /co/ still like New Super-Man?

>>477683
>bottom left
Red Bee my beloved.

>>477683
>The DC Universe as we know it begins to take shape as a mysterious ship crash-lands in Smallville, and years later, Superman makes his debut. Meanwhile, in Gotham City, Batman emerges from the shadows to clean its crime-ridden streets, and after years of isolation from Man's World, Wonder Woman leaves the paradise of Themyscira for modern society.
Unless there's a catch, it looks like they'll actually be making Diana part of the Silver Age of heroes with Clark and Bruce, so I wonder if the Golden Age WW from the first issue will actually just be Hippolyta.

>>477617
DEI Superman, you mean?

>>477610
Pretty solid chart. I can't think of much that could be added, maybe something from Geoff Johns' Green Lantern (Sinestro War ?) since it's such a classic /co/ favorite.
If you wanted to add some more modern stuff, I did enjoy that Superman's Pal: Jimmy Olsen comic from a couple years back.

>>478003
I dunno if this is a hot take or not, but I kinda dig DC's complicated history.

>>478073
It's not a bad thing in itself, it's just funny that COIE did the opposite of what it was meant to do.

>>478018
Some of the choices in the chart feel very specific to the time it was created, like Dial H and 52. I can't remember the last time a /co/mrade so much as mentioned them.

That might not mean anything though, given that the general quality of discussion on /co/ Prime has been shit for a decade.

>Waid is using New 52 Justice League origin for his upcoming DC History Guide
Fucking why, not even New 52 zoomers like Cyborg as a League founder

>>478175
Lame, I was hoping DC had given up on that shit by now.

>>478153
>I can't remember the last time a /co/mrade so much as mentioned them.

Perhaps it has to do with the fact that these are comics at this point are already 13/19 years old so their relevance has long since disappeared from people’s minds. Especially since they were basically isolated miniseries essentially. How many people talk about a series like Resurrection Man, outside of the times DC has tried to revive it for another series? Or post-IC Shadowpact run? Chase? Chronos? Kate Spencer Manhunter?


There’s also the undeniable fact that most people these days don’t post about comics they like or do recommendations anymore because now the board basically is all about just complaining how everything sucks and you’re a shill if you say you like anything new. Because people don’t actually read anything anymore so they don’t have any knowledge about anything beyond a point where they rage quit or whatever so they just react to things based on what they see other people saying, which is usually someone purposefully stirring shit or making up things for bait, or even more depressingly they get their information from an outrage grifter channel.

>>478175
Cyborg being a JL member was the best thing that had happened to the character in forty years. Yet Titans fanboys do nothing but complain about it like it was the end of the world even though they can’t cite anything positive about Cyborg beyond the fact they liked him when he debuted as a Titan and thus he can’t ever grow or move on from the book.

>>478175
Will they try to make it so J'onn was also a founder at the same time and the JL was originally 8 before Cyborg went off to the Teen Titans?

>>477617
Yep

>>477828
Spoken like a true incel imbecile

>>478331
>Perhaps it has to do with the fact that these are comics at this point are already 13/19 years old so their relevance has long since disappeared from people’s minds.
Yeah, that's what I meant by them being specific to the moment the chart was made. They looked significant at the time, but time's passed and they turned out not to have staying power.

But that's a problem that besets all these charts and lists, even ones put together by professional critics. You look at examples from 10 and 20 years ago and you'll always find some flash-in-the-pan stuff mixed in with the old and modern classics.

>There’s also the undeniable fact that most people these days don’t post about comics they like or do recommendations anymore because now the board basically is all about just complaining how everything sucks and you’re a shill if you say you like anything new.
Exactly, yes. The unsubtle culture war recruitment threads (posted by actual shills) and irony-poisoned "too cool to enjoy anything" dorks (useful idiots) smothered any sincere effort at engaging with new comics. Hell, even old comics didn't seem to give modern /co/ any real pleasure, and only existed for many anons as totemic examples of a vanished "golden age".

>>478406
The thing with staying power is that fandoms love way too much obsessing over stupid shit so they keep talking about the same handful of nitpicked, largely superfluous shit like what they think x,y and z comics are “important” or worse, storylines they hate. And the latter gets talked about endlessly for years (even when it’s usually just regurgitating how you hate it and the writer) while people completely ignore discussions about things that are just enjoy even if they aren’t perhaps the most iconic stories.

>>477617
issue 3 had one of the most Morrison moments ever seen in a DC comic book and we shit bricks when we saw it
Also it's a great comic book on its own merits and it stays

>>477828
go back to the sharty, retard

>>478490
NTA but it's been a minute since I read a Superman book. Can you talk a bit about this one? The "Morrison moment" sounds intriguing.

>>478785
She happened to be the one most 'grew up with' and got featured in pivitol media so she became the default.

Even though she's shit and only ever worth a damn as Oracle where she actually had a niche in the batfamily.

>>478785
...and then young justice happened: Young Justice Outsiders Robin’s Team Spoiler,Arrowette,Orphan (Batman Incorporated)

>>478796
I have a bit of a soft spot for her. I just wish DC would assign someone who can actually do a good job of writing her as Batgirl.

>>478153
I bring up Dial H semi-often in conversations about good comics from DC in the modern era.
You're right that it doesn't get brought up often, but like you said discussion on /co/ prime is shit. Being more representative of older /co/ tastes is a good thing!

>>478796
>Even though she's shit

She’s not though.

>>478883
>Being more representative of older /co/ tastes is a good thing!
True.

>>478075
COIE did clear up, and uncomplicate, a huge swath of things for a good while, but the problem is editorial not doing their jobs, or ignoring their jobs, as DC did for the Nu52, in allowing Cereal Lord to keep his spectrum and other Lantern BS, and even more so, the nonsense with Bruce being all of sudden in his 20s but having two adult former Robins, Tim AND the fucking demon spawn around as teens.

>>480929
Neverending comicbook universes are all an utterly convoluted cancerous mess, and the succession of people working it are never up to the task of maintaining quality & cohesion.

Capeshit writers in particular seem bad at it, since even examples of settings that are only semi-extended like Invincible are also badly written/worldbuilt.

>>480929
I just don't think that anything that followed COIE made junking Earth-One and Earth-Two worthwhile. The continuity "problems" of those settings really only mattered to a handful of loud wonks and simply weren't as issue to most readers.

>>480978
It absolutely did. Earth-2 was just a lazy gimmick you occasionally did a crossover with. You got way better stories when everyone is on the same Earth

>>481119
I fundamentally disagree with you, but I don't contest your moral right to be wrong.

>>481134
That is indeed an opinion

>>480978
>really only mattered to a handful of loud wonk
I agree with the anon saying that the Mainline Canon universe was better when the teams were on the same Earth - that said, personally, what COIE should have done, versus killing off people needless (e.g. Kara, and by extension someone like PeeGee so there's only one Kryptonian), was getting rid of the unnecessary and needless characters.

This was all before the Demon Spawn, and before the unnecessary additions two other female Robins, but we still had three Robins; they should have just gotten rid of Jason, for example, and made Tim the eventual replacement for Dick - and by eventually, I mean years down the road, not straight away. I'm mean this is just spitballing, but what made continuity confusing (which was the point of COIE) was shit like - similar with X-Dudes and LoSH, and other large teams. Same shit with the Hawks, THAT's what COIE could have (and to a lesser extent did) fix/fixed.

tl;dr LOUD WONKS aren't casuals and normies - the audience (e.g. point) wasn't LOUD WONKS, it was casuals and normies.

>>481183
>getting rid of the unnecessary and needless characters.
I don't think that had to be done either. Characters who appeared superfluous or who weren't being used could simply have been parked until a creative team came along and found uses for them.

>>481206
That’s exactly what CoIE did in practice.

>>481206
>>481206
People are bitching today and for the past few years because (a) there's too many bat books and (b) where is a (i) zatanna book, (ii) grifter/authority/gen13, etc. book, (iii) or whatever else pops up, which DC has at least been trying with mini-series to meet and then people complain about those.

>>481435
Turns out fans will always complain and never be happy

so what does /co in exile teach us?
it's not that anons no longer care about DC
it's that anons can be fussed about waifus and cartoons
but not about comics
and yes, you weeb-heads, that means your manga shit as well.

>>481498
>/co

>>481414
In practice, COIE either eliminated them or reintroduced them into books that of necessity had no continuity with their Earth-One or Earth-Two originals.

>>481508
Yes it’s called parking characters until you found a way to reintroduce them

>>481544
No, it's called overkill. You don't need to junk Earth-One and Earth-Two just to park characters who weren't being used. You can park them while keeping E-1 and E-2 with their continuities stretching back decades, in E-2's case back to the genesis of the DC shared universe.