>In general, what do you feel like you guys have integrated from the fan reactions to the show? Are you reacting to the popularity of certain characters, and how careful do you have to be to not overdo things?
>I don't know. I think there's probably only one episode -- and again, aside from kind of small things are Easter eggs that have been inserted in episodes -- there's probably only one episode that's pretty meta that's kind of a response to a lot of criticisms that have been leveled at our show. It's this "Young Justice" crossover episode where they're going to show up and kind of chastise our Titans for being terrible superheroes. "You're giving all these superheroes a bad name, and you need to get more serious!" And that's the episode where they want to get more serious.
>But overall, I think we've like managed to keep ourselves in this absurd little bubble of dumb jokes and not [be too affected]. We do get on Tumblr and everything, and we like to see what fans are reacting to and all that, but I don't want to fall into the trap of thinking the Internet represents everybody. There might be small things here and there that we respond to, but they're never broad. Episode ideas generally just come from just trying to make each other laugh more than anything. We're in season 2 now, and I think we've written almost 80 episodes, so at this point, it really is just like we've got to keep each other interested. We're telling a lot of stories and each one has to be funny so we definitely try to keep each other laughing.
>Moving on from green female characters they'd like to fuck to male green characters, Mazin and Goyer started discussing Martian Manhunter. When asked how he would adapt Jonn Jonn'z for the big screen, Goyer responded "How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?” When the audience responded with cheers and raised their hands, he then asked "How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?”
So in New Guardians, Kyle wakes up on a barren planet that looked like every vision of a nuked out Earth. While investigating the ruins he notices his white lantern abilities seem to be creating life in the form of fleshy plantlike growths in his footsteps. On a hunch he burrows down caverns of bone to find a massive heart-like rock at the core. But using his abilities to revive it turns out to the a bad idea. Now, what makes this important is the backstory the planet divulges while turning on Kyle. Once it was part of an entire system of sentient planets. And one of them in particular is a established character.
Reading the reactions to Forever Evil 7 as it was being storytimed on /co/ was the weirdest goddamn thing. There were so many posts consisting of just BASE and HYPE. Even for the most mediocre parts of the issue. I'm sure someone was trolling. But why?
Aw, why you gotta tease me like that. Teaming up with showboating jackass Oliie is the best hope Simon has for being an actual hero who does cool things and not just a way for DC to meet their minority quota.
>>227705 Made it further than Threshold, at least. I'm surprised it lasted a full year considering Larfleeze was barely connected to the other titles. If it weren't for the use of characters owned by DCE it could be something from a different publisher entirely.
>It’s a variety of things, really. But mainly it’s in a way he’s a superhero naked, in that he is plainly out for revenge, so much so that he actually dresses like a villain, and throws bad guys through windows, there’s all kinds of rough and tumble stuff. I was also in love with the idea of a character that could not fly. The man needed a car to get around. And he got by on wits and skill alone. That’s why I couldn't resist having him beat the crap out of Superman just once, i had to see that just once. You kind of have to be of a mind to like that sort of a character. But Batman is also so personable. You could do him 20 different ways, and they could all work. He’s like a giant diamond. You could slam him against the floor, throw him against the ceiling, but you can’t hurt it. Everything from the Adam West TV show to my stuff and dozens of others, Jerry Robertson, each contributed to this ongoing myth that has survived and been revitalized on an ongoing basis.
As part of my summer long Crusader Kings 2 vision quest I've been abusing Netflix on the TV/part time second monitor, and one of the things I've been watching is all their DCAU stuff, which is Batman Beyond and both Justice League series. I'm almost down rewatching Unlimited and, after a 3 hour debate with Tiki, we both agreed that the most baffling decision the DCAU writers made was having Jon pick Hawkgirl over Vixen.
I approve this new creative team and costume. There are still people kind of disappointed that this isn't the Birds of Prey reboot starring Kathy Kane, Cass Cain, Steph Brown and Harper Row that people thought that it'd be though.
I really want to be hopeful about Tom Taylor sharing Earth 2 writing with Marguerite Bennett, but she has almost no track record to check thus far and it looks like the actual Earth 2 is just going to get blown up anyway. There's hardly any planet left to save at this point. Andy Smith looks solid though. Not preferable to Nicola Scott but not garbage either.
Yo, so Gail has said she was forced out and the reason her series was so shit was DC telling her crank the grimderp to 11, but after the third creative shuffle on the title those shitbirds left (apparently for Marvel) and the books is "finally allowed to not be so grim every issue."
>>228502 Almost everything bad about DC is from their editorial team. If it's not them, it's the WB execs so high they're detached from the company entirely. Honestly, they need a big clean sweep of their editorial staff that unfortunately just can't happen.
Oh, they could have done lots of stupider things. Like back before the reboot, they had her get angry at people for asking her for help, on the basis that she was both wearing the Superman S and was openly using her powers. Like, she was willing to accept billions of dollars of Batman's money and training from Wonder Woman, but actually using those things to help other people? PFFT!
And then there was the crystal spikes thing, her on-again off-again plans to kill Superman, her beating up every superhero she could lay her hands on (with them instantly thinking that she's awesome after she did so), doing some pretty heinous stuff like selling Kandor to some Legion bad guys for clues as to where her parents might be (threatening to break Power Girl's arms if she attempts to go back and free them in the process) or physically downing Airforce One during Amazons Attack... yeah, pretty much everything from her reintroduction up to just after her fight with Cass Cain, where Sterling Gates kind of rejigged the character to make her less.... entitled and douchey.
I'm talking about Soule's run, the one going on right now with Guy Gardner and his rocking mustache. You could call those comics a lot of things (decompressed as hell, getting bounced from one Green Lantern event to the next), but they certainly aren't "anti-fun..."
Multiversity is so terrific my enjoyment of comics almost exists again, that's a hell of an accomplishment.
I also want to take back all of my disparaging remarks about the new Harley Quinn comic, this isn't exactly subtle like Grant Morrison's prediction and parody of everything in the New52 with his Action comics run but damn, good job.
>>229126 It's difficult to explain since Superboy became a goddamn mess. There's more than one Superboy. You got Jon, the son of Lois and Clark from an alternate future who was abducted by a spiky winged evil science guy called Harvest and brainwashed into a metahuman killing machine. Jon is naturally unstable due to his mixed genes, which leads us to Kon. Kon is a clone created as a template for more stable DNA that can be used to cure Jon. With the secondary purpose of also killing metas. Kon escaped and kinda sorta tried to be a good guy until a Scott Lobdell event erased him from existence. Then Jon took his place. All of this required a lot of time fuckery. Jon eventually reformed and travelled to the present, where his body became linked to the consciousness of his own "past" self locked deep within a stasis pod overseen by Harvest's goons. Jon fought his way to the stasis pod, tried to interact with it, and was shunted to a pocket universe where Kon explained that the minds of all 3 Superboys have been fused into one body due to their ridiculous timey wimey bullshit. Immediately after that page the evil "past" version of Jon takes over the gestalt and vows to ruin everything.
>>229173 If there's one thing Geoff Johns has not been fucking up, it's Shazam. That's been one of the few comics to actually have the spirit of fun Captain Marvel's been missing for so many years. I'd honestly put it over Jeff Smith's mini.
>>229524 The only Terra seen so far in the New 52 was that blonde traitor and she's been in cold storage for over a year. I'm not holding out hope that this new Power Girl will get to do much. Karen didn't. And being black seems to hurt her chances, if the other obviously ethnic new characters are any indication. Simon Baz is useless now.
>There has always been a silent agreement between Grant Morrison comics and Grant Morrison readers that one thing will not be considered in evaluating these grand struggles for the evolution of the superhero concept: that we won’t just elect to go do something else. That we won’t decide that the best way to deal with the problems of superheroes is to stop reading superhero comics. And this I’ve come to see as a narrative fault, because Morrison keeps going on and on and on about evolution, and yet the superhero decades have proven circular in their advancements, so that Nu 52 DC reads quite a bit like Wildstorm circa 1995, and as a result I find myself standing outside, wondering “hey, if nothing really changes, this guy can just position himself, profitably, as a shaman in perpetuity, right?”
>Oh, it remains pleasant. I still like reading some of the comics Morrison writes. The Multiversity is very cozy, efficient entertainment. I certainly don’t think he’s saying anything unwise, thematically. But if I don’t think he’s exactly part of the problem, I’m really no longer buying Morrison’s solutions, and these are works of solutions. Thank heavens the Gentry hail from “behind the invisible rainbow,” because the 52 universes of DC comics are negligible force in the wider culture. You can and should call for less sexism in comics, but if DC is making enough money from goofy shit aimed at gaming bros, the line is gonna reflect that. The cinema did not awaken to the glory of superheroes as an Idea, it realized that superhero comics were adaptable to preexisting action/fantasy formulas while allowing for easier franchising returns – and where that money goes, so will those comics owned by Warner Bros. and Disney. That Grant Morrison represents that part of the corporate body which calls for revolution does not mean that his scripts exist apart from the function of that body.
>>229674 That's just what it wants! You don't want a comic to boss you around your whole life do you? Why should some 22-page, paper tome have any control over you? Where does it get off making you obey its commands?
>>230126 Hey now, maybe Superman and Batman of Earth One where awful, but I trust that Jeff Lemire will do justice to the Titans, and they really deserve it after having one of the most uninspiring books from the nu52.
>>230167 That, and it takes so long to produce new books for said line that they feel entirely disconnected in theme. And the idea of attracting new readers was attempted again anyway with the New 52 reboot.
>>230838 Not just "Please let this be true," but "Please let a couple of the stories that run because of this do well." We don't just want this to happen, we want them to make enough money off of it that they decide to make it the rule rather than the exception.
>>231412 On the one hand, AWESOME. I trust a lot of those writers. I'm optimistic there won't be a flood of dismembered preN52 characters. On the other hand, why couldn't they have done these as straight epilogues without the crossover idiocy? I'll be getting some of these but I would've ended up with way more without the Dome/Flashpoint crap.
Hrrm, reminds me of that Countdown: Arena comic, where they had things like the New Frontier version of Wonder Woman fighting the cowboy one from Justice Riders and the Victorian version.
Hated that as it spoilt good comics by association, now this new one looks like it's going to spoil things (although I miss them, like Cass Cain, Steph Brown's Batgirl, Renee Montoya's Question etc.) that I'd rather they just leave alone.
As if it's just Arena, it'd just be an exercise of killing off the older versions to prove that the newer ones are better. Plus, this whole thing's being organised by Scott Lobdell, who thought that it'd be a good idea to introduce the Young Justice show's version of Artemis Crock into his Teen Titans book... only to kill her off after four pages in order to give Tim Drake a person stake in defeating the bad guy...
...A bad guy who he should have been invested in defeating anyway, as he'd been abducting children and forcing them to fight to the death. If, as a Bat Family Character he somehow doesn't take that personally, he's doing something wrong.
Star Spangled War Stories Featuring GI Zombie, Infinity Man and the Forever People, Batwoman, Aquaman and the Others, Swamp Thing, Justice League 3000, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Worlds' Finest, Klarion, Trinity of Sin, and Constantine.
Though expect Constantine to be relaunched in June because of the TV show.
>>231524 Because people see how much credit writers who tackle difficult subjects like drug abuse, sex addiction, and things like that in serious ways get and focus on the tangible details, assuming if they make their characters cracked out prostitutes they'll be respected as writers even though they haven't even begun to understand the reason those good stories worked.
So Donna Troy is back, as an antagonist and rival to Wonder Woman. This would irritate me, but I was never much a fan of her to begin with. If anything I'm just worried the story will be terrible because Finch and that her inevitable redemption arc will come too soon.
>>232099 Nigga please. Jason Todd wasn't ruined when they killed him in an arc about middle eastern politics. Captain Marvel wasn't ruined when they published that one Elseworlds where he became a post-apacolyptic rape machine. And the previous creative team on Wonder Woman wasn't wiped from existence just because the new one is shaping up to be lackluster.
>>232125 Because for some reason Snyder likes beating off to how evil the Joker is the edgy high-schooler we all knew he was, this is the man who wrote the joker cutting his face off and having his blood be so evil it's rots anything it touches.
Just ignore it like all the 52, the first retcon of hoping we all forget these last wretched years is already on it's way.
I can't help but feel we're in for a repeat of Countdown: Arena, where they took a bunch of Elseworld books (including New Frontier and Gotham by Gaslight) and made the characters fight each other for reasons.
All it managed to do was stink up great books by association, so yeah, I think that all the people who've also been looking for the return of preboot stuff like Renee Montoya, a Cass Cain/Steph Brown team-up and the like are going to be disappointed. If only because the synopsises seem to be set up in the "evil version of the character potentially kills the one you like" formula from Arena.
>>232533 Oh for sure, it's going to play out for the old universe like it did for Earth-2 Superman in infinite crisis.
But that's not why it's a terrible idea, it's a REALLY bad business decision, every DC comic is going to stop for somewhere between 2 months and everything is going to be Convergence.
A) You are literally fucking over anyone who has a pull list.
B) You are hipchecking any ongoing stories (as Gail mentioned)
C) The story picks up two threads, Futures end, which was more unpopular than anything DC has printed since 2011 and Multiversity which while very good is difficult to follow due to how it names itself and has a story the average reader won't give a fuck about outside of "Cool other universes"
D) DC is already chugging on about 2011 era sales, it's 4 years later, they are still calling everything "New" which is embarrassing considering almost all new readers have dropped off.
E) Like thirty other things I've forgot on the creator and distribution end of things that will compound this blunder.
This is disappointing. I knew the Multiversity Guidebook's Earth profile pages were going to be short but I didn't expect them to be that teensy especially the Morrison created Earths like this one. I thought each character in the art would at least get a sentence. I want to know what Annataz is about.
>But the real news here is what’s going on behind-the-scenes: DC’s newest slate of creative teams features an almost unprecedented number of women and minority creators. For the New 52 relaunch, less than 1% of DC’s writers were women. In this new announcement, six women (or 17% of all writers, a big deal in the traditionally male-dominated comics industry) will be women. Even more importantly, several of the female writers will be writing female protagonists: Meredith Finch will be writing Wonder Woman, Gail Simone will continue her work on Secret Six (which includes several female characters), Amanda Connor will co-write Harley Quinn and the Harley Quinn/Power Girl mini-series, and Genevieve Valentine will write Catwoman.
>Today’s announcement is also a big deal for Asian American comic book writers and artists. Greg Pak, who has done phenomenal work for both DC and Marvel, will be continuing to write Action Comics and Superman/Batman. The big news is that Gene Luen Yang, author of several award-winning comic books including American Born Chinese, Boxers & Saints, and The Shadow Hero will be making his DC Comics debut to take over the ongoing Superman series. DC reports that Yang will be charged with helping to depict Superman “in a more contemporary light”. Ming Doyle, one of the industry’s few Asian American female talents, will also be joining Constantine: The Hellblazer as a writer, and Dark Universe as an artist.
>Teamed with artist John Romita, Jr., Yang will be the first Asian American to write the tale of DC Comics’ flagship superhero; this is also symbolic because Superman’s story — with its immigrant narrative overtones — has long spoken to Asian American fanboys.
>As far as Asian American creative talent are concerned, Yang, Pak and Doyle will also be joined by several Asian American artists in driving the behind-the-scenes work for DC. Talented Asian American artists Bernard Chang, Sonny Liew, Ardian Syaf and Billy Tan will pencil Batman Beyond, Dr Fate, Batman/Superman, and Green Lantern, respectively.
>>233007 DC didn't shout out from the rooftops that their female membership is rising. That's just from looking at the solicits. Honestly, while DC has its ups and downs I have more faith that they try to care than Marvel.
>>233009 It's kinda funny, they really do care and want to work up readership but EVERY THING THEY DO is terrible, this has been the first decent decision in YEARS and it's still pretty poor because it comes on the heels of Convergence.
>>233184 The singular reason I'm willing to try this is that I FUCKING LOVE Rudy.
I actually had to red that to figure out WHO IN THE FUCK that lava guy is supposed to be, I actually repressed the memory of that costume, like holy shit it fucking triggered me like I was reliving a tragedy.
DC comics should be ashamed of themselves when they see Arrow and The Flash because FUCK, when you watch those you remember what Superheroes are supposed to be and DC is far the fuck off from that it's disgusting.
>World Army is still hilariously incompetent >Escape ships getting blown up and similarly hollow disaster porn >More KEIKAKU DOORI and withholding important information from Terry Sloane >Reimagined Infinity Inc. heroes may actually be villains >The forces of the Earth itself get beat down by Darkseid's grotesque child Why the fuck did I decide to give Worlds End a look after so many weeks of ignoring it. There's something too self-aware about how cynical it is. Sloan calls the dimension a 'feeder universe', implying it existed only for Darkseid to fuck it up. That's exactly what this line of titles is. Wankfuel for the coming fires of crossover events.
>>233510 Maybe a jab at Young Justice as well that took the largely happy go lucky source material of sidekicks and junior league super heroes finding their way as their own team and turned it into Justice League:Mission Impossible. With the "you kids will handle the jobs the league cannot handle publicly" nonsense.
>>233538 I'd have been fine if it had not been Young Justice. Like it had been some kinda Titans Spec Ops thing. But using what is largely brighter sources and turning it into gloomy dark stuff. It just wasn't fun and above all they never felt like a close team.
Conner slowly changing from his Peter Pan persona to a more leadership driven figure then getting broody and angry after finding out Ms.Martin had been screwing with his noodle and that Lex is is father. Better arc than Broody right out the gate.
>>233540 The reveal of Lex as Connor's dad rather than him being content as a clone generated by the Cadmus leader Paul whatshisface (I guess I'll just fill it in with Lawson) is something that should've never happened at all. Likewise Bart's darker and edgier shift was handled pretty badly as well.
>>233549 But it took jack all from the comic really and mixed in that insipid "you do in the shadows what the league cannot" crap. I went in expecting sidekicks and junior league members learning to act on their own as a team first and foremost. Not have that "Council of Thirteen" level bullshit that went nowhere fast and made zero sense.
In all I I feel it suffered the same way Alien Force did with Ben 10. Tried to grow up so much that it sucked out all the fun that is possible in a Super Show.
>latest TTG episode >everyone thinks/is expecting a huge mockery against Young Justice and the buttmad people about TTG >in really is a parody of the whole EDGYNESS that's happening in general (specially on DC itself) and how ridiculous it is >YJ barely appears on the episode
Although I will admit that it's only tangentially connected with the original comic, chances are they couldn't have called the show "Teen Titans" due to the original show or the TTG shorts, and since they needed a recognisable name... I'm not sure what the alternate title could be.
I liked that the show had a lot of depth behind it, as the creators did a good job at making it clear that not everything that's going on can be seen in the show or comic (Wonder Woman debuting in the 1940s at the age of 16, for example, with her being an active superheroic presence in the YJverse for the past seven decades). Seemed like a wider world than even the comics DC was putting out at the time, really.
Was the show perfect, by all means no. Was it better than a lot of other shows at the time, very much yes. The show seemed to have the same problem early Korra had, in that people didn't seem to want to wait for character development to happen (Conner and Wally being kind of dicks when they're first introduced, for example), and wanted them all to start one way and STICK WITH IT.
I thought that the Lex reveal worked as it made a nice comparision to Conner's relationship (in season one) to Superman. Clark didn't want to be involved with Conner as he was essentially a child who was created without his consent and knowledge (the fact that Conner was being conditioned to kill and replace Superman along the line didn't help, either), which makes sense from a human standpoint, even if some parts of the audience thought that this made him "neglectful"...
...Even though it took a while for Clark to warm up to Conner in the comics too. Lex being welcoming and warm to Conner, in comparison, played with Conner's issues regarding his "parentage" and was intended to make him more open to Luthor's manipulation (just as M'gan's fear of being outed as a White Martian or Artemis' fear of rejection regarding her family made them targets too).
>>233549 >How is that one worthwhile and the Conner one is not? Because Cassie's dad was basically an anonymous non-entity, and because it fits into the mythological motif, making her like a female Perseus or Hercules.
Conner's original 'dad' was a major presence in his solo book. And making Lex a DNA donor just makes him a bit too creepy obsessed with Superman.
>>233546 It has better animation, much stronger art direction, doesn't reuse jokes and catchphrases ad infinitum (cyborg notwithstanding), and overall just shows more effort. I can at least tolerate it and even enjoy it at times. Unlike JT, which was a chore to sit through every time it appeared.
>>233550 >But it took jack all from the comic really and mixed in that insipid "you do in the shadows what the league cannot" crap. I went in expecting sidekicks and junior league members learning to act on their own as a team first and foremost.
Uh that was one of the major themes of the show. And they took a ton of stuff from the Young Justice comic. Red Tornado, the Super-Cycle, Snapper, every team member except Empress and Ray, the Happy Harbor hq, Harm and Secret. Also Peter David.
>>233551 A producer said they wouldn't have even used Young Justice if Khary didn't voice a character on the team.
>>233555 >Conner's original 'dad' was a major presence in his solo book.
No, he wasn't. He died a couple months after the Superboy comic began without ever appearing in it and was rarely mentioned after that. He was barely above a non-entity. As this thread demonstrates, people complain about his removal from Kon's origin but don't even know his name.
The Cassie retcon in the comics is dumb because it complicated her origin with no benefit. The original version worked: Normal teen girl proves herself a capable hero to both Wonder Woman and gods so the gods give her powers. Adding "and she's Zeus' daughter" layers in further contrivance because writers can't leave well enough alone and let some characters come from a normal background. Just ask Terry McGinnis.
And "offspring of Zeus" is such a cliche with these characters. Why make her like Hercules. We already have Hercules.
>>233562 The "Kon being a clone of a nobody" was exactly what I liked about it actually. He was an inexact clone of Superman and knew it, but he accepted it and didn't wangst over it like he did with the Luthor reveal. It was just another aspect of him.
>>233560 It turned out rocky for the first few years, with some good books. Then DC mostly got its shit together (I don't think it had a controversy in almost two years) and released more decent books. Of course there's still shit (The Earth 2 line, current Wonder Woman), but the good/bad ratio definitely increased over the years, at least in my opinion.
I totally get why New52 is still disliked, but, IIRC, it has yet reach the terribleness of Identity Crisis, Cry for Justice and Rise of Arsenal.
I for one really like TeenTitansGo! I was with the hater at first but then I saw an episode where they all died horribly trying to stop BeastBoy from jumping into a volcano because he thought he was dead. Thats zero fucks giving I can get behind! Did Johnny Test end with everyone dead? I think not! But to be fair it had ONE funny joke about him burying a robot friend in the backyard and his parents freak the fuck out becaust they think he killed a guy. That funny and twin science red heads are nice but the rest sucks dog dick. Its like Daxters lab but with Deedee as the hero. FUCK THAT! >>233562 And the Zeus' daughter thing gets even worse when you use it on Wonder Woman...