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probably memes half the time. the show got a little bit better when he moved away from being showrunner after season 12.

>>476009
>>476016
it's still faintly bewildering to me just how much the show completely fell off a cliff under his tenure

>>476028
yeah the prevailing pattern behind Scully's seasons is a kind of serious apathy that starts to set in during Season 10. There's an almost persistent disinterest in doing stories which feel like they meaningfully iterate on the characters and instead the prevailing logic seems to be just having Homer doing as many retarded antics as possible.

>>476009
>the show got a little bit better when he moved away from being showrunner after season 12.
not hardly. Al Jean was as bad and in many ways worse.

>>476056
Yeah Jean sucked cock. I will say the show did get better in Season 30+ under Matt Selman since he brought in some fresh sensibilities and seems to have more respect for the show and the characters than Jean does and it could actually almost be good now if the voice actors were still at their Season 6 level instead of undead zombies--they're really the weak link at this point.

>>476062
>>476056
this was gone over at length in the old Simpsons thread that Jean loves really cynical humor where the characters want to kill each other most of the time and he was also responsible in a major way for the show taking a massive shit on Bart which is something Selman more-or-less stopped. also Jean cannot write a natural-feeling exchange between characters to save his life, his dialog is always very stilted and robotic.

>>476062
Selman stopped a lot of the preachy Lisa bullshit but he also made B&L into more generic kid characters who lost a lot of their personalities.

idk about you but Patty and Selma doing ASMR in My Life as a Vlog was a surprisingly funny HD season moment and shows that Julie Kavner still has it sometimes

>>476074
> also Jean cannot write a natural-feeling exchange between characters to save his life, his dialog is always very stilted and robotic.
At least Mike Scully was great at writing Bart/Lisa exchanges.

Moe get iPad.

>>476016
didn't Scully even O&W always talk about the difficulty of coming up with new plots because they exhausted all the obvious ones?

>>476085
Bill Oakley another time claimed Springfield has so many characters that the plot possibilities were near-infinite so you tell.

>>476085
at least all the ones you can show on network TV anyway, don't think a plot where Grampa molests Lisa would fit that category

>>476075
>>476074
I'll prefer to take your word for it rather than subject myself to Season 30 Simpsons to find out.

>>476086
Infinite possibilities if the staff actually wanted to try them which they've demonstrated before that they do not. This goes to eg. any tard who thinks Sherri and Terri should become major characters.

>>476093
the only way they could stay fresh was if they regularly hired motivated young writers who could work long hours. it was sort of an inevitability that the show would become a nepotistic old boys club and stagnate.

>>476093
>>476093
yeah i know S&T aren't very funny but then again neither were a lot of gag characters that got way more screentime than they should have like Rich Texan and Professor Frink for no reason other than that the writers thought Dan Castallaneta and Hank Azaria doing the voices sounded funny at the table read.

>>476098
I won't pretend HD Simpsons is equal at all to Season 6 even so there's plenty of utterly horrible animated shows like Fairview or recent American Dad that don't get shit on nearly as much for some reason.

Also blah blah blah Marge sounds like an undead zombie. Yes Julie Kavner sounds old compared to what she was in Season 5 I don't dispute that but she can still deliver lines well when she tries.

>>476110
My take on that is that Julie seems to try harder depending on what writer it is for example in Carolyn Omine's episodes she's often still pretty good but many Al Jean ones she clearly is not feeling the material and only puts in minimal effort.

Pop question--Do people here actually like Comic Book Guy, like as a character? Because I've seriously gotten the impression that his appeal is strictly with outsiders who've only casually seen a few post-classic episodes and remember him as a "funny sarcastic nerd

>>476114
tbqh CBG was in exactly one Season 1-6 episode and only becomes a prominent character in Season 7 onward and most of the time he was just used by the writers to shit on Internet Simpsons fans. Also the whole Kumiko thing really didn't go anywhere.

>>476110
oh no Harry Shearer is easily the worst of the main 5 voice actors now and not just because he's the oldest of them but he's also hated the show and stopped trying since the early teen seasons

>>476118
Scully and Jean basically ruined all his characters as a huge fuck you

>Skinner becomes a pathetic cuck
>Flanders becomes a caricature of a Christfag Republican
>Burns goes from evil mastermind to decrepit old man

>>475684
I agree BB uses the kid characters a lot more sometimes to the detriment of Bob and Linda not getting enough screentime.

Dislike the spucklers episodes, they never needed to expand on them and the episodes are just meh. I also find that they have overdone comic book guy in the hd era, but I guess that may be an unpopular opinion. It would be cool if they expanded a bit more on some of Professor Frink or Dr Hibbert as I think they could be good for mixing things up.

>>476159
yeah fuck the Spucklers. seriously Mary should have been in one episode tops and Love Is A Many Splintered Thing is one of my most hated episodes.

>>476128
while we're on that subject i seriously don't get why Simpsons fans love Jessica Lovejoy so much she's just a clone of Sherri and Terri and there's not a lot else that could be done with her

>>476165
Also fuck Shauna. She's not funny just creepy and a child predator who gets away with it but because someone on the staff is obsessed with her they keep trying to force her anyway.

>>476170
>She's not funny just creepy and a child predator who gets away with it but because someone on the staff is obsessed with her they keep trying to force her anyway.
so just like Milhouse creeeping on Lisa because he's the writers' self-insert

>>476172
Sort of although since Selman took over he got rid of most of that shit since he's against the idea of Lisa having romance plots.

>>476056
I can't for the life of me figure out why Al Jean loves marriage crisis episodes to the point of needing to do about three every fucking season. Nobody likes them, about 90% of them are painful to watch, and they're always exactly the same thing every time. There was one of the Selman-produced seasons (33 I thought) where good ol' Al is EP for one episode so of course he can get one of those plots in there.

>>476177
at least Mike Scully's seasons really had none of those

>>476177
Those episodes were rather grating going all the back to Homer's Night Out.

>>476181
So in all seriousness what are your least favorite Season 1-8 episodes, /co/?

>>476182
My personal picks:

>Season 1
Life on the Fast Lane: Marriage crisis plot (uggh), has no good jokes and the pacing is really slow and it just drags.
>Season 2
One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish: Sappy and emotionally manipulative (did anyone really think Homer was going to die anyway). Also lethally slow pacing.
The War of the Simpsons: Marriage crisis plot, thin on good jokes.
>Season 3
Like Father, Like Clown: Feels like tryhard award b8
>Season 4
Mr. Plow: Some good jokes but too slow and the Homer Marge snuggle bits come off as unnecessarily gross
Whacking Day: Too surreal, slow pacing and just feels very weird
Selma's Choice: More kind of unnecessary grossout moments
>Season 5
Bart Gets an Elephant: A bit too predictive of Season 11 and also too many grossout jokes
Secrets of a Successful Marriage: Marriage crisis plot, quite painful at times

>Season 6
Itchy & Scratchy Land: Way too surreal, feels like an abortive Simpsons movie script
And Maggie Makes Three: Compared to the previous flashback episodes way too gag-oriented and they forgot to age Bart and Lisa down in the flashbacks
Lisa's Wedding: I never liked the future episodes much anyway
>Season 7
Home Sweet Homediddly-Dum-Doodily: I never liked this one and find it very forced and hard to watch a lot of the time
Bart The Fink: Aside from the fact that I've never super-loved Krusty to begin with this one just never felt that funny
>Season 8
A Milhouse Divided: Not that funny and yes it's another marriage crisis plot
The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show: There are some good jokes but it was mostly a vehicle for the writers to complain about Internet Simpsons fans
My Sister, My Sitter: Some good jokes but the whole premise was incredibly stupid and Bart and Lisa are really very unlikeable here and it gets painful to watch at times
The Old Man and the Lisa: The interactions between Burns and Lisa are quite painful even though there's some good jokes here and there.

I was never a fan of the Sideshow Bob episodes like Cape Feare, which many seem to consider one of the best episodes. I think he's painfully unfunny and forced as a character. Plus the idea of a grown man wanting to murder a 10 year old is pretty damn disturbing. The over-reliance on physical comedy also sticks out like a sore thumb. Feels like the character wasn't strong enough to carry a classic era Simpsons episode, so they resorted to stepping on a rake a hundred times.

>>476352
So Peanuts time logic, where several characters debuted as babies/toddlers before getting close to the same age as Charlie Brown and stopping.

Speaking seriously they need to just stop making more goddamn simpsons episodes.

>>476355
Actually, that reminds me, that's why I dropped Peanuts after initially buying several collected volumes. Time stopped moving, and change stopped happening. At least with Calvin & Hobbes Calvin is a child for a few years in-universe, instead of forever. So aside from a maybe magical talking toy tiger, shit is just believable.

>>476355
This is broadly how time works in cape comics too.

>>476352
That's not Ling, it's some random gook that Lisa disowned for eating horse meat.

Scully was the guy who decided Homer being a loud angry cartoon man who meets celebrities and gets injured 20x per episode was the apex of comedy.

>>476215
The rake scene in Cape Feare was to pad out the run time of the episode because they didn't have enough material, they've said this numerous times.

>>476363
>go on NoHomers thread
>numerous mentions of HD season episodes that draw a complete mental blank (like wtf is this?)
That.

>>476385
And there you go. Who the fuck is this random brown loli?

>>476364
You should really stop reading Peanuts after about 1975 anyway.

>>476213
>>476211
It's a remarkable thing how John Swartzwelder has written some of the best episodes of the series and also some of the absolute worst wtf did I just watch? ones

>>476390
What happened in Peanuts in 1975?

>>476393
That's really kind of a rough cutoff date but the strip did gradually lose its bite after that point.

>>476392
Swartzwelder usually wrote super-absurd, cartoony episodes so they had the potential to end horribly a lot of the time.

>>476389
I don't know enough about Zombie Simpsons, can't help you there.

I think Faith Off has the worst Lisa characterization I remember. People may not realize it because the episode isn't based around her.

>>476473
it's Lisa The Skeptic Mark II except her only role here is to insult what everyone else is doing.

>>476475
Don't get me wrong, I hate LTS too, but as douchey as Lisa is there it's tame compared to what she does in Dude Where's My Ranch.

>>476473
Lisa was not nearly as big an asshole in the Scully seasons as she became in the Jean ones but she was more just boring.

Lisa Goes Gaga is overrated as bad episodes go, there are many far worse ones eg. The Boys of Bummer. The entire town driving Bart to attempted suicide is infinitely worse than LGG which is just another bland guest star-centered episode.

The Musk Who Fell To Earth. No I don't hate it because of any kind of /pol/-related reasons, it's just LGG but worse.

Here's ten picks from me that are worse than LGG:

>My Sister, My Sitter
>It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge
>Co-Dependents' Day
>A Totally Fun Thing Bart Will Never Do Again
>Flanders' Ladder
>Go Big or Go Homer
>Thanksgiving of Horror
>The Last Barfighter
>Lisa's Belly
>Bart the Cool Kid

boys of bummer makes me genuinely rage a little i hate that episode so much

>>476480
"Elon Musk is possibly the Greatest Living Inventor" - some smartass kid

This episode really aged well when we have deathtrap cybertrucks exploding and Shitter becoming a worse platform than it already is as of today.

Holidays of Future Passed was a shocker to see. It's easily one of the two episodes from Season 23 I would give a 10/10 and at least 8/10 if going by Season 1-8 standards. The emotions, voice acting and themes all felt natural, and even the jokes were killer (especially the Ralph Police Clones on Fire).

>>476492
it was a touching ending but it's one of those episodes that falls apart under closer examination. the only good future episode was lisa's wedding all the others are ruined by the one that preceded it.

>>476500
>>476492
Anyway, Days of Future Future wrecked everything that might have been good about HOFP. There's no good jokes, Jenda is back and is actually annoying here, and...zombies? What?

>>476482
Let's not forget killing off Maude Flanders for absolutely bullshit reasons.

>>476479
If you think Lisa Goes Gaga is the worst episode ever you haven't seen much of the show past that point. There are at least ten episodes that surpass it for sheer horror.

Lisa Goes Gaga isn't even the worst episode of its season let alone the series as a whole. Shit, it's not even in the Bottom 3 episodes of its season, those would be Moe Goes from Rags to Riches, The D'oh-cial Network, and THOH XXII.

Of the stuff not yet mentioned there's Future-Drama:

>Milhouse starts a fire and then rescues Lisa from it so she'll go out with him, which she willingly does
>which apparently had nothing to do with why she dumped him and went back to him as soon as she isn't going to college
>considering Jenda is kept in HOFP, apparently goes on to marry him--is she literally retarded?
>there's no stakes with Bart because Jenda has absolutely no personality and there's no reason why the audience should care if he stays with her
>she's a generic love interest and also acts creepy by trying to force him into sex, yet she was brought back twice and basically made canon as Bart's future ex-wife
>none of the jokes are funny and they all have to explain themselves to the audience
>Sherri & Terri got knocked up and had twins because they're twins (lolsofunneh right?) and Nelson pumped and dumped them because that's what his dad did
>as far as we can tell S&T weren't really doing anything wrong, weren't anything but affectionate to an asshole who is implied to be several years older than the rest of the class which means he knocked up S&T when they were underage, which is creepy as fuck, and weren't even kind of bullies anymore but the message is still "Nelson, you show those bitches"
>that moment was so bad and OOC that they even have a shot at the prom to show how OOC it was
>and as a capper, Bart gets told he'll never find true love until he dies

>>476507
Continued:

>DOFF is so bad it's funny for how pathetic it is, but FD is just ugly and depressing
>everyone's incredibly unlikeable or stupid, the futures are the barest surface level things and the only kind of sympathetic characters are the ones we're supposed to celebrate the suffering of
I hate Thanksgiving of Horror more but this is easily the worst overall episode. Even Boys of Bummer wasn't constantly referenced and basically enshrined in canon like how the other future episodes kept using bits of Future Drama. It's why Barthood is the only bearable Jean era future episode because it repudiated most of FD. Even roid Milhouse had a reason that time.

>>476505
>Shit, it's not even in the Bottom 3 episodes of its season, those would be Moe Goes from Rags to Riches, The D'oh-cial Network, and THOH XXII.
The D'oh-cial Network is an episode that isn't hated nearly enough. It's fucking bad, man.

>plot that's almost nonexistent that tries to be a parody/satire but completely fails at it
>loads of filler
>a lot of drawn out nonsense
>no even slightly good jokes anywhere
>even Moes Goes From Rags to Riches is better than this

>>476512
why that? it's been a long time since i saw that episode but i don't remember anything especially bad about it.

THOH XXIX was awful, even worse than LGG.

>>476535
They used to say Principal and the Pauper was the worst ever.

>>476537
Not the same thing. That episode actually tried a clever experiment. LGG is nothing but a relentless dicksucking fest of Lady Gaga and it deserves every last drop of vitriol it gets.

>>476542
like at least with PATP the episode had a point to it. LGG has no point and no effort outside worshiping Gaga.

It's not the worst IMO; that's Politically Inept, with Homer Simpson, the only episode of the entire show I have never watched from start to finish because it's that unbearable. Honorable mention to The Greatest Story Ever D'ohed and I Want You (She's So Heavy) which are the other episodes I am never in the mood to rewatch.

Lisa Goes Gaga was never my least favorite, I guess. But it has a hard reputation among the fans and casual watchers for being the absolute worst of the entire show, and the massive amount of hate is not easy to win so I guess Lisa Goes Gaga is still seen as the worst and probably it ever be, even if in my opinion it doesn't deserve that designation.

Boys of Bummer is surely the worst ever.

>>476553
>Boys of Bummer is surely the worst ever.
I agree it's pretty bad but LGG has no redeeming qualities at all.

LGG is more bland and inoffensive than outright bad. It's toothless, souless, and by the numbers, but there's nothing to really get butthurt over (such as an entire town driving a 10 year old to attempt suicide or Homer intentionally framing his wife for a DUI)

I get that it's basically a commercial for Lady Gaga. But then again, A Star Is Burns was basically a commercial for The Critic.

Lisa referring to Elon Musk as "the greatest living inventor" will go down as one of the most embarrassing lines ever uttered on the Simpsons.

>>476557
Yeah that's pretty bad. Also reminds me of how in early Star Trek Discovery (in 2017), they mentioned Musk as a famous pioneer inventor of humanity ("How do you want to be remembered in history? Alongside the Wright Brothers, Elon Musk, Zefram Cochrane?" *last one is a fictional in-universe character who invented warp speed flight, btw*). The character saying it did turn out to be an evil mirror universe guy but even so they included Musk like that. But maybe even worse, the series actually said there's a school named Musk Jr. High School (it was only mentioned in dialogue and a character said it was a bad school, but still...). Just goes to show how popular he was among hip/celebrity circles pre-this year.

Anyway, one episode that is definitely worse than LGG is The Seven Beer Itch. It was and still is one of the biggest disasterpieces from the show and a rare one where pretty much nothing about the script works (visuals are nice though). There's also the worthless, unfunny and dull as sin Yokel Hero (which has zero redeeming factors, also completely wasting Albert Brooks).

>>476213
>My Sister, My Sitter: Some good jokes but the whole premise was incredibly stupid and Bart and Lisa are really very unlikeable here and it gets painful to watch at times
I don’t think people would hate My Sister, My Sitter so much if it ended with Bart properly apologizing for his douchebaggery by coming clean about what really happened. But he didn’t, and Lisa’s reputation is still damaged while Bart only gives a very weak apology and basically gets away with everything (the broken arm doesn’t count since it was his own fault). The only reason Lisa gets a babysitting job at the end is because Dr. Hibbert is an entitled SOB who needed a quick babysitter and Flanders didn’t care.

Paths of Glory is another one that is absolutely terrible. It extends Al Jean's overall disdain for Bart to the absolute limit by claiming he's a sociopath while trivializing ASPD like it's some fake movie disorder rather than a real thing that real people struggle with. It's a complete ragebait episode for me, and I am baffled on why some folks walked away from it thinking it was good. If opinion hasn't shifted on it yet, I hope more folks can notice how harmful this episode is.

>>476570
I find it strange that MSMS used to be a well-regarded episode, I mean it was from Seasons 1-8, right? But recently it's gotten a really bad rap, worse even than many Zombie Simpsons episodes that have no redeeming qualities.

>>476576
p. sure it's because they don't like how Bart sabotages Lisa and gets away with

>inb4 yeah but he broke his arm and...
doesn't count as just desserts because he was going to milk his injuries for all they were worth

>>476578
>>476576
I didn't like it because the premise was really stupid to begin with.

>Marge actually being dumb enough to let Lisa babysit Bart
Is something Homer would do but Marge being that dumb is pushing it. Also in general the kids were very unlikeable and you just wanted to punch the both of them out.

>>476579
Bart's asshole-ish behavior in the episode is at least understandable, you would probably also flip out if your younger sister was told to babysit you. If it was me I would have just punched her teeth out, left the house, and hung out with a friend.

>>476582
my brother is 5 years older than me and i can tell you if i was in Lisa's situation that is very much how he would have acted to me

Pretty sure Lisa The Simpson is another one that used to be regarded better than it now is and a great sendoff to Oakley & Weinstein but now a lot of people accuse it of having a retardedly feminist message by suggesting all the Simpson women are successes and super smart and all the men are losers.

>>476602
Seems to me the issue is less the "Simpson gene" per say and more its Lisa glorification where the show tries to remake Moaning Lisa/Lisa's Substitute but worse. Also of course the show's staff glorifying Lisa and dismissing Bart after the early seasons of the show. The last couple O&W episodes are basically this.

Brawl In The Family used to be regarded pretty good I thought but people don't seem to like it much now.

>>476604
that's true for a lot of Season 13-15 which was better received back when they aired than now. it really seems like that was because everyone was sick of Mike Scully by that point and were relieved to see him gone and the early Jean era eps being a little less cartoonish so they way overrated them.

>>476606
I do agree that my opinion of 13-15 has diminished a lot from what it was.

>>476604
>Brawl In The Family used to be regarded pretty good I thought but people don't seem to like it much now.
also i mean people are more sensitive to the idea of sexual consent nowadays although they're still liable to blame Homer for getting drunk in the first place, which feels rather icky. if Marge was the one who instead got sloshed and married some dude in Vegas when she was unable to legally consent, would you still claim she's at fault for getting drunk in the first place? I wouldn't.

I remember Seasons 13-15 being regarded as a revival of the Simpsons after the dark ages of Seasons 10-12 but that opinion doesn't seem to be all that popular nowadays.

South Park's Elon Musk episode wasn't quite as dreadful as the Simpsons' one probably because it wasn't as relentless of a dicksucking fest. They didn't go super hard on him but that was also back when the guy was still semi-sane.

>>476606
yeah i guess people were so burned out on Scully that they exaggerated the quality of those episodes

>>476558
My issue with TMWFTE is really that Musk could not act for shit while Gaga at least tried.

>>476878
Let's be fair to the argument, it's not like EM was the same guy back in 2015 that he is now. Beyond Blunderdome was also a more watchable episode back before we knew Mel Gibson was a closet Stormfag.

>>476062
>>476056
I guess Al Jean has never wanted to quit the Simpsons because as he's said most other shows don't allow as much freedom from network interference. The one time he tried starting his own show outside the Simpsons it got cancelled and fucked over by the networks even though it got good ratings and overall was pretty good so you can't really blame the guy. Plus I mean no matter who was running the Simpsons after Season 8 it would still suck and they'd be totally out of ideas.

>>476918
If you mean Teen Angel, I highly doubt that that bombed because the networks screwed the pooch rather than the fact that it was the sitcom corn that he's always shit out.

now I think S13-15 are ok, a little worse than 12, a little better than 11 and a lot worse than 9-10. there are some genuine classics in there like I Am Furious (Yellow), Sweets and Sour Marge, The Dad Who Knew Too Little, Moe Baby Blues, I D'oh Bot, The President Wore Pearls, and Simple Simpson. I don't think the characterization changed all that much from the Scully era and the jokes are a little less sharp but I guess the stories are more coherent. i thought Season 16 was the first real "zombie" season, i didn't like any of those episodes and the writing was narcoleptic. i haven't really been motivated to watch anything beyond that.

plus they started ratcheting up the marriage crisis episodes which i detest

>>476926
I guess you could kind of say it was between 16-18 as the show reached a level of dullness it never got out of until Selman took over from Jean. I thought in 13-15 they at least somewhat still tried and it's definitely true that a showrunner can only last a few seasons before running out of gas.

>>476930
>>476926
I had thought that too, that Season 17 just has a near-lack of episodes where you remember much of anything at all. The episodes from that season are neither good nor outright bad, they're just...there. It does seem that the staff were really creatively uninspired around that time for whatever reason.

>>476933
The Girl Who Slept Too Little and My Fair Laddy were at least highlights of 17 I thought.

>>477006
Yet Season 1-8 Simpsons does seem to take this into account. None of the romance plots involving the kids are real romance plots, nor does romance actually happen. Bart's crush on Laura is an entirely innocent one and Milhouse and Samantha just practice kissing and that's it (regardless of what WDJ and Killbot think). It's only when you get into Lisa's interest in boys do things get off and it would get worse as time went on.

Now flash forward to The Bart Wants What It Wants which seems to play things up like they're older teens or adults dating but Greta is a total blank sheet of paper as far as any kind of personality goes, proving that it's just a cookie cutter romance plot Bart has been awkwardly shoved into.

>>477006
I know Matt Selman has been vocal about disliking Lisa love stories to the point of refusing to do them as showrunner because he believes a 2nd grader shouldn't be dating, but at the same time if you actually watch Lisa's Date With Density it's actually pretty innocuous--Lisa wants to dress Nelson up in nice clothes and doesn't know how to go further than that and Nelson just kind of awkwardly plays along. Because I mean even in Dude Where's My Ranch her crush on Luke isn't stretching belief that much but then you have Haw-Haw Land which is a rejected romcom script awkwardly using child characters.

>>477016
Then again Al Jean looks like a giant thumb so you tell me.

>>477015
FWIW I actually think the basic premise of The Bart Wants What It Wants almost could have worked if it was about Greta being so desperate to get the attention of Bart that she willingly tolerated even his worst behavior and the fact that he genuinely didn't care about her. That's quite a separate angle from what they did with Laura and Jessica in that we'd get to see how Bart treats a "normal" girl who happens to like him even though he probably wouldn't have come out looking very good.

>>477022
I don't see TBWWIW as a totally unworkable concept either; what it really needed was for Greta to actually have some defined character. It could be Bart and Laura in reverse where one party just friendzones the other.

>>477017
Maybe so but you still have the awkward issue of how Nelson has nothing at all in common with Lisa and the viewer is left struggling to think of any kind of reason why she'd have a crush on him in the first place.

>>477017
It seems like some writers like Selman and Omine are better at making Bart and Lisa act like kids while Al Jean is functionally incapable of doing that.

it's too bad that the HD seasons turned Kirk Van Houten from a pathetic divorcee bum into some weird parody of Nick Fuentes

>>477033
can you expand on this because I feel like I understand what you are saying but i really don't and want it spponfed to me

>>477035
He means Hostile Kirk Place where he's turned into a /pol/tard.

>>477064
oh well i'm not too familiar with Nu Simpsons so i'll take your word for it

Lisa's feet.