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Steven Universe: Thread 7 (Poutine Edition)

Previous thread>237360

"Log Date 7 15 2" download:
https://mega.nz/#!Op93QC6D!9P4s9JZuLB1GBHQnlgfs8S0DtZy6v1LR5T9VrtrVSs0

Back to another indefinite hiatus, but at least it was an even number now, so the digital releases are caught up.
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I loved it.
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Pretty good bomb.
Gonna be hell to wait for the next episode, isn't it.
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So is Peri stuck in the bathroom, or is Garnet going to give up a room/gem slot on the temple door? Will they switch to a six-pointed star or squish Steven's into the middle?
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>241276
Move in with Amethyst, she has literal miles of room, just set it so the one point of the star opens different places based on which gem uses it.
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>241277
Alternatively, give her the barn, she seems to like it more than the temple anyway.
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>Peridot is a filthy shipperfag
Nooooo I used to like you ;_;
Just kidding (slightly), that was one of the funniest parts of the episode.
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>241279
The best thing about her shipping is that it is literally militaristic.

She is shipping two men together, not because she is into it but because she sees them as the strongest possible team, thus who should naturally be together.
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One thing I am curious about is how is this going to affect the show in the long run. Like, is it always going to be "Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl and Steven" or can the main cast evolve over time.
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>241281
So she's still got a way to go before truly understanding anything about Ruby and Sapphire's romance.
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>241286
Right but the two important take aways for her is that she understands they are strongest together and that she's trying to get it.
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Garnet nearly takes Peri's virginity like omg!!
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>241289
It really felt that way, huh?
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>241289
>Peridot: So what exactly is it that makes you think fusion is like a romantic encounter?
>Garnet: The part where you aren't gettin' any.
>Pearl and Amethyst, immitating Mordecai and Rigby: OOOOOHHHHHH!
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So somebody did out the star shit and figured out that homeworld's galaxy is most likely Andromeda,Triangulum,Bode’s Galaxy or maybe M83.
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From Peridot's slowed down shipping rant, there is a second voice buried in the audio saying something along the lines of “right moment at the right time….we are about launch out first global…since 1977…a whole new world…a world where”
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Someone pointed out to me that it would be RGB.
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>241295
Yes. It's also be some especially big geometric hair.
I have no idea how it would out beyond that other than probably being even nerdier than Alexandrite.
Not to mention we haven't even seen what Peridot summons out of her gem, let alone how it'd combine.
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>241295

That's really cute!

Since its all three primaries, would her gem be white? Milky Quartz?

>241294

Thats pretty...ominous.
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>241294
>241300
That part was just a stock recording that was added in by accident.

https://twitter.com/laurenzuke/status/685986369546641409
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>241302
Shame that makes it sound like the US launching a mission into space that could have repercussions later on.
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So far they do a fine job balancing the main four with Greg and Connie. Having her take the barn might be partly to give her an excuse to not show up as much, but I could see it go either way.

While Garnet opened Peridot up to the idea of fusion, I figure she'll do it with Amy first since that's still who she likes more. But since she's actually more acclimated to Earth now than I expected, it probably won't result in as much mischief as I previously expected.
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>Having her take the barn might be partly to give her an excuse to not show up as much, but I could see it go either way.
Speaking of which, I feel like a dumbass for never noticing the barn was so close to the temple.
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>241305
So close? That's a really far ways out.
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>241306
Further than I imagined too, but probably within a thrity minute's drive, especially ignoring town traffic.
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>241307
30 minutes what? That's like 5, the main difficulty is that it has no access road being on the beach.

But if you think about the fact the gems can leap miles it's really nothing.
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>241311
I meant that as a high estimate, I'm really bad at judging distances by sight. My point well it's well within the distance of a place to go for an afternoon trip.
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I am distinctly worried peridot won't make it out of the cluster plot arc. I'm worried that someone is going to get broken at some point.
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>241321
Amethyst and Peridot's voice actresses posted a picture of them during a recording session a couple months ago. I'm pretty sure that means Peridot will be on the show in some capacity for a decent while considering the length of production time.
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>241321

As for Gem deaths, I'm think Jasper then Lapis then Pearl. Jasper is pretty bad; she may be only redeemable by death. Lapis because she's one great big tragedy. And Pearl because it's in her nature to sacrifice herself and her death might inspire a pearl rebellion and leave room for Peri as a permanent member of the team.
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Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this.
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It fits the melody strangely well.
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Is it hard for anyone else to accept Peridot being a hero? I'm still not a fan of her turning good....

Granted I think she hasn't fully accepted that she's one of the "good guys" now.
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>241359
The last thing she we saw her do, chronologically, was sit around quietly and have an unheard conversation after being carried away completely distraught at having broken her former allegiance in favor of some ancient tattered remnant of a rebel force. So yeah, after getting rid of the cluster she might be more interested in barn work than going on missions.

Though getting Jasper and Lapis seems like something she'd want to get involvled in at some point. And if they actually hunt any more corrupted gems it's at least not something I expect she'd be against, since if anything a way to restore otherwise lost gems would be a tremendous boost to resource efficiency. So I can see her going out to help Steven often enough without necessarily being all that heroic about it.

Incidentally, what we've seen of gem shards relatively lately made me realize how creepy it would be if a regular humans found one without the Gems nearby to stop the resulting monster quickly. Even disregarding how Frybo was, that'd be pretty messed up. Which is probably why that's not a thing in the show even though I'd expect human nature to make it happen eventually, along with most shards being put into the cluster itself or found early and kept by the Gems.
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>241359
Not really? She's not a flat-out "hero" but instead a minor techie who's become a rebel through circumstances.

The whole thing with her trying to work out a logical compromise with her boss that would please both sides because she's experienced a viewpoint outside of the regime she was raised in was entirely plausible, and now that her former god has shown herself to be fallible and she now has no chance of going home it would make sense if she grew ever closer to the Crystal Gems and their philosophies.
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Well, Steven Universe is banned on 4chan /co/, again.
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>241373
I like the show, but it being banned on /co/ is for the best. Those threads are awful.
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>241374
No need for it to turn into Frozen, just months of fanfiction..fucking hell those threads. Same will happen with Gravity Falls General threads.
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>241375
Come April I expect Homestuck threads to return in full force. It's going to be the worst shit.
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The (semi) best head canon.
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We haven't really seen anyone who's definitively associated with White Diamond, unless there were some white background characters in Garnet's story. Pearl was either always pink or at least switched to before or early on in the rebellion, based on her space suit.

There's the theory of White Diamond being the pyramid gem, but that just raises further questions as to why she's been left to explode with the rest of the planet, and yet white is still a part of the Diamond Authority logo while pink was taken out.

If WD is bubbled on Earth, that seems like an obvious temptation for Peridot, since saving a diamond authority member could easily look like a way to make amends for insulting YD. Though leaving WD on Earth to explode in the first place sounds an awful lot like a convenient a political assassination by a rival diamond.
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>241398
>There's the theory of White Diamond being the pyramid gem, but that just raises further questions as to why she's been left to explode with the rest of the planet, and yet white is still a part of the Diamond Authority logo while pink was taken out.

The one thing said about the pyramid gem is that it's corrupted.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/637119883013001216

Homeworld may simply have given up any hope of a cure, and just consider corrupted gems as dead.
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>241399
Then Pink Diamond would have to be worse than dead to get removed, and thus likely a traitor.
Or they just went and made a new diamond.
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>241400
A thought Rose seems to be very Optimus Prime. What if White was their Megatron but their schism didn't occur and they both fought against the other gems Rose fighting for Freedom and White fighting to break the caste system that kept gems subjugated.
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http://queenqupid.tumblr.com/post/137734620049/queen-fawful-shipping-peridot-after-tonight-and
I'm always a slut for simpson edits!
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>241437
Did something happen yesterday to inspire this?
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>241438
The original was posted on the last day of the bomb.
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So when will Connie become Galactic Emperor?
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We've got the full lyrics of the ending now.

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Pic not related.
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When a tumblr comic is fun but too long to post do to lazy feelings I will just say fuck it and post link.
http://mimicteixeira.tumblr.com/post/139529617429/everthing-would-have-make-sence-if-you-have
HA!
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>241720
Oh turns out it was part 4 of something that I can post with no trouble.
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>241722
3rd one was 2 big so:
http://mimicteixeira.deviantart.com/art/slang-3-586879362?q=gallery%3Amimicteixeira%2F54119954&qo=2
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Does Cartoon Network hate steven universe? They are dropping massive spoilers for the next episodes during its time off air, hell not just spoilers but more like major parts of the episodes
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>241771
>They are dropping massive spoilers for the next episodes during its time off air, hell not just spoilers but more like major parts of the episodes
"They" in this case is the UK Cartoon Network website, which posted two ~three minute videos of huge stuff from future episodes.

This stuff is inevitable when they delay the domestic release so much.
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When is the next episode coming by the way?
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>241773
No one knows. It's not in the next two weeks.
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>241772

Seriously, if the Crewniverse wants to get pissed at someone, CN US is far more deserving of their ire for this Bomb scheduling bullshit.
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>241782
Back when the third bomb ended, Burnett said they were almost out of finished episodes. Seven months have passed since then, and there have been eleven episode aired. That's more than 19 days per episode, when the rest of the show (and basically every other CN show) averages 10 days per episode, including seasonal breaks.

So either production has had a significant delay (either with specific episodes or general production) or they have about 10 episodes finished but unaired. Any foreign network used to being less than ghat far behind will probably have completely unaired episodes.

So there's a good chance this won't just happen again, but that it will happen again, with a different country (or several), before the next episode officially even airs. Assuming none of those foreign network just show the whole episode on TV.
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>241784
They did take a short vacation, and few studios work year-round, either.
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>241785
>They did take a short vacation, and few studios work year-round, either.
The "10 days per episode" figure is accounting for all breaks over a show's entire broadcast history. It's just the number of days between the series premier and most recent season premier divided by the number of episodes that aired in that time frame.
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I love me a cool bad end.
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Considering all the heavy metaphors around fusion as representing sexuality or at least romantic intimacy, I wonder what they'll do regarding the gem equivalent of asexuality or voluntary celibacy?
Speaking as someone who only has interest in companionate romance, it'd be nice to see something like that explicitly addressed as opposed to settling for no-hugging-no-kissing stuff.
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>241926
Ditto on that emotion. Maybe Fusion Love explained out more to allow for that.
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>241926
Pearl already made fusion that could be used as some form of abuse least how Ruby felt about it afterwards. Pearls nonsense broke the soul of Sardonyx
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>241940
Again, that's still a metaphor for sexuality in the sense of rape or at least emotionally manipulative sex. What about people who choose not to engage in relationships/sex or have zero interest in it to begin with? I know the crew doesn't actually think such people are all like Jaspers or pre-character development Peridot, but the most recent batch of episodes has a strong undertone of "falling in love and having sex is what makes us different from Homeworld cogs and doing that if the ultimate way to be free". Peridot wanting to wait before fusing is not treated as a bad thing but it's also holding off on an urge she's supposed to give into eventually.

I mean, Pearl and Amethyst don't seem to have any real romance going on but given the subtext fusion gets most people see their relationship as friends with benefits or in a parallel polyamorous relationship with Garnet anyway. They might have Steven fuse with the Crystal Gems to show it doesn't always have to be romantic in nature, but I'd still like it if they discussed the matter of passionate but purely platonic relationships, just because it's good about everything else and there's still the stereotype that people who could but don't want to have sex are losers.
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>241941
Some long term partnership that has gone beyond physical love. Like another pair of gems sent off on an exploration mission long ago.
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>241926
>241941
While I think disinterest could be an interesting stance on fusion for a character, the idea of fusion and what it represents is fairly close to the question of what Steven is, what with him being another type of hybrid who was created in a romantic manner. So, Steven being the main character, it doesn't surprise me that the initial cast of gems all reflect that by demonstrating some aspect of what it means to fuse.

>241947
Personally, I think that would really be hard to distinguish from what Garnet is already, given that their devotion is shown to go beyond simple attraction. That's part of, but not the entirety of the relationship. An old partnership currently lacking physical love would be more like an old married couple that decided to stop getting busy for whatever reason a few years ago. That is, if they undergo what's considered to be actual fusion, unlike what I describe in the next paragraph.

Given the fact that combining with gems of the same type has been shown to be categorically "not fusion", I think the two Rubies who didn't fuse with Sapphire have already shown a distinctly unromantic camaraderie with each other. Gems of the same are each their own person rather than interchangeable instances of a single entity, yet their merger seamlessly works as a "big gem" that just glosses over their personal differences.

I can imagine those two rubies preferring the simplicity of that to the nuance of being a garnet. Seems kind of familial, if you consider the phenomenon of non-fusion-merging as a way of letting relatives use magic to combine power without it being incest. The only CG I see acting like that's a bad thing is Peridot, funnily enough, due to her power-based view of relationships. And because, as a fanfiction writer, she is by definition shamelessly perverse.
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www.ew.com/article/2016/03/30/steven-universe-uncle-grandpa-renewed-season-5-cartoon-network

Show's been renewed for two additional seasons, though we don't know how long they'll be.
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Oh for fuck sake! That's good news and everything, but we aren't even through season 2 yet because of these damned hiatuses.
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>we aren't even through season 2 yet because of these damned hiatuses.
Funny thing about that!

https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/715267280200998912

Turns out season two is already over because seasons 2-5 all have 26 half-hour episodes, unlike the first season.

Because we'd been assuming all the seasons would be 52 episode, this news just brings the episode count up to what we already assumed it would be.

The article is correct in saying the next episode will be the season three premier, which will apparently be in summer. I wished we knew earlier that this was an actual off-season break, and not just happening at a random point.
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>242264
>half-hour episodes
Sorry, 26 quarter-hours, 13 half-hours.
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Im thinking about getting that comic.
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There's an interview with Rebecca Sugar from about the forty minute mark.
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This was an appropriate song to use for an SU AMV.
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That Pearl will give me nightmares.
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>242448
SU is in Little Big Planet? Neat.

>242449
I consider it an improvement over her toy adaptation.
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http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/22/steven-universe-returning-in-too-deep

20 days.
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>242528

God, finally. I was beginning to think CN low-key cancelled the show.
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What we really are

What we really are

What we really are
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We back
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I have some mixed feelings--not so much about the episodes, as the way they came out. The Cluster was introduced over seven months ago, so it's a bit irritating to find out four of those months were waiting for just the last two episodes about it (for the foreseeable future). It makes sense in terms of ratings to put space between the big hooks of "Yellow Diamond shows her face, Peridot joins the Crystal Gems" and "Lapis is back", but it still feels like a bait-and-switch.

I'm both interested in and confused by Peridot's line that "I don't have memories [of Homeworld], just feelings." Is she just saying it was uneventful, or does she literally mean her knowledge of it was build-in and not from experience? At first I thought it was fucked up that she knew that much about the gem shards while involved in the forced fusion experiments, but she was basically thinking of them as inanimate objects.

So a broken gem is still dead, but the shards can reach a sort of satisfaction with their lives, not just a horrific existence like Frybo or the ones turned into ink for that scroll. It's life, but not as we know it.
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Was happy with the episodes, suitably dramatic, looking forward to more.

Wonder how Jasper is going to reappear
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>242786
>Wonder how Jasper is going to reappear
Fist-first, one hopes.
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>242791
disturbed by the watermelon people or will she burrow to the mainland?
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Have we ever seen Alexandrite's proper weapon or does she just use the ones from her sub-fusions?
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>242795
She seems to use all their normal weapons and all the combined-weapons of the other lesser fusions in rapid succession, thats her gimmick as far as we've seen.
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>242785
I think Peridot meant that she didn't have distinct memories of before she was properly formed, only recalling vague feelings from before she began to have intelligent awareness. But she was probably also sent off into space soon after being formed, since she was created fully formed and able to perform her job.

I expect at some point we're going to see what happens when you get all or at least most of a full set of shards back together, and wether having Steven lick the collection causes it to become the same gem as before or just a new person that's of the same gem type. Maybe a partial amensia type of thing where they remember some of who they used to be but don't see themselves as the same anymore?

I don't expect the Cluster to stay all as one gem forever, but I'm not sure exactly what direction it'll go in when swe see it again. If it actually forms, maybe it'll be a kind of living planet, with shards occasionally splitting off to from full gems somehow, in a process not entirely different from the kindergartens? Then Steven would have an alien planet to visit witout having to hop across the whole galaxy or shift much focus away from Earth.
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>242797
Jasper will probably hijack it and make it a threat again.
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>242798
Maybe, though I think she'll be more likely to grab up those prototypes and make herself into a supermonster.
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>242797
I think maybe we'll see some shards fuse and come to the surface. Steven alone will find them trying to live a life and decide to leave them in peace.
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Yeah, doubt we have seen the end of Jasper.
The Steve-Melons were adorable. Especially the doggy. :)
Glad Steven could resolve the Cluster-problem peacefully. And it seems Earth has giant monstrous beings at its core in a lot of cartoons - in Transformers Prime/RID Earth has Unicron at the core, here it is the Cluster...
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>242810

Going with size talks and what Peri said a bout drilling through a layer of Gem material. I'm wondering about the situation of the Cluster given its size. Was it some kinda gem material pushed off into space during their what appears to be eons long legit Transformer style conflict between those sides.

Did Earth form around that Cluster and that being why it was good gestation material?

Or maybe I'm just missing a place since this show goes so lore heavy.
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>242811
The Cluster was made a couple thousand years ago from the shards of gems broken during the war. The war itself was about 6000 years ago and ended after less than half a millenium.
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>242813
okay, just wondering about this apparently has replaced the core of the planet. Guess that is just more lore that we'll be given later.
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It's actually not that deep below the Earth.
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So Baltimore is Charm City, Pennsylvania is Keystone, New York City is Empire City, and Jersey is Jersey.

>242816
Peridot actually said "center of the Earth" in "Back to the Barn", but that was apparently before they found out where it was in "It Could've Been Great".
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>242820
Heck if it had been at the actual core they wouldn't have needed to find out where it is at all.
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>242820
>Jersey is Jersey
So its still fucked then?
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>242828
Population is half shard mutants
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I liked tonight's episode.
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I'm glad we found out why Lapis was in the mirror and it was just "she visited Earth, got poofed by Woolie, was mistaken for a Crystal Gem, was stuck in the mirror to be interrogated, then got left behind". The theories about that were getting absurdly complicated.
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Agreed. It was pretty straight forward and effective as far as I am concerned. Poor Lapis. :(
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>242842
>Woolie
Kek, thought someone looked familiar. Wonder what kinda gem that would be.
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>242844
Most people are thinking Bismuth.
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>242844
>Wonder what kinda gem that would be.
We call them babe.
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>242846

Gonna need a source for that.
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>242846
Sadly no amount of Jasper tiddie will allow me to fap to Woolie.
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>242847
http://orangekissess.tumblr.com/tagged/jasper

Keep some water handy. You don't wanna get dehydrated.
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>242849

JESUS.
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>242844
>Wonder what kinda gem that would be.
Not sure if that was a gem or a three-diamond Homeworld symbol. If the former, I think bismuth is likely. Or salt.
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>242845
I don't buy it. Given her size, I think she's a quartz, and that makes me think Agate, Chalcedony, or--especially given the coloring--Ametrine.
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Man, I really enjoyed this episode.
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For the uninformed, the next two episodes aired on France and a third airs today. It's dual audio, so people were able to capture English audio, with just a few French subtitles for text, in fairly good picture quality (720p).

Barn Mates:
https://mega.nz/#!t0MHjaTT!Gh19XqZNsslp-BRe51k8QM_Sz8nop5TEOZXRA0hTnJQ

Hit the Diamond:
https://mega.nz/#!wNgSmQBC!aa5TjbN79QPiR6RJZD3EtPIN_IvtY96lrUsHS8a4FUY
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Steven Floats (480 and 720):
https://mega.nz/#F!ghAAhYLY!gD739WI7J7800se3GDz9IQ
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>242900
Pretty comfy.

And it explains Rose's floaty gracefulness seen before.
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Anonymous
On the one hand, Awesome! More SU.
On the other... I just made myself a hiatus.

On the ONE hand! Hooray! The temple!
On the other... I miss Peri and Lapis.

ON THE ONE HAND. WE'RE GETTING MORE JASPER SOON.
on the other... we dont have her now...
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Is anyone else not that big of a fan of Lapis? She comes off as such a downer and just a plain bitch. That Barn Mates episode just made me hate Lapis and like Peridot more.

Peridot tried her best to cheer Lapis up, outright says she's sorry, and that she understands LL's situation and will try to help her however she can....This blue bitch still acts sour. Then the next episode she acts all "Ha you guys are dumb and I don't like any of you except Steven but I'll hang with you guys because I'm so cool...." I....I don't get it. I dunno how some people can like Lapis when she's just acts so miserable and depressing to be around.

I understand where Lapis is coming from but Peridot didn't do anything massively wrong except use her for information and that's really it. I think Peri's crime wasn't THAT extreme to just keep this vendetta against her.
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>242927
>I understand where Lapis is coming from but Peridot didn't do anything massively wrong except use her for information and that's really it. I think Peri's crime wasn't THAT extreme to just keep this vendetta against her.
I mean. The idea was that she was gonna take Lapis to get reprimanded on homeworld. Basically a captor and captee situation.

No, I don't love Lapis. But I kinda do sympathize with her.
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>242928
Even then, that was mostly Jasper, and even if Peridot was nominally head of the mission, she had no real authority over her escort.
But no, I'm not terribly fond of Lapis. We're just sort of supposed to care because Steven does, but she's honestly a bit of a Bitch. Hell, she's angry at the crystal gems, but homeworld gems are the ones who tortured her. Repeatedly.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
I don't mind Lapis, but she definitely needs more character development and possibly an arc of her dealing with her feelings towards the Crystal Gems. Peridot is a far more beloved character because of her development and character arc since her debut. Lapis needs that same development before I can begin to give a damn about her.
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Anonymous
I feel Lapis will get more development now that she's on Earth. I feel Peridot had more opportunities for development, as we got more of her recently. Now that Lapis is living with Peridot. I feel we will see more development for Lapis as well.
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>242948
>We're just sort of supposed to care because Steven does.

Yes. That's the reason why I don't like Lapis. It feels like I'm forced to like her because she gets along with Steven. Probably the worst things ever when it comes to writing in general. is having that character that magically gets along with the main character and is presented as this already lovable person.

To me, Lapis is presented to be this depressing person with a dark past who acts like the distant oppressed girl but she's totally cool guyz! Look how much she doesn't care! Wow she's....she reminds me of some dumb high school girls who think their life is completely awful when, in reality, there are people around them want to help them.

It's still early to declare Lapis as someone I totally hate but the whole argument between Peridot trying to understand her and help her somewhat ruined Lapis for me. Because at that point, she's just trying to be difficult with others on purpose.
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>243003

>Probably the worst things ever when it comes to writing in general. is having that character that magically gets along with the main character and is presented as this already lovable person.

It’s a variant on the problem that Film Crit HULK calls “assumed empathy”. Take the MCU version of Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier: the last two Captain America films have been centered around Barnes, and the filmmakers assume we’ll care about Bucky as a character because Cap does. But even as far back as The First Avenger, we’re barely given a reason to give a shit about Bucky; he’s there to be Steve’s friend, die a (fake) tragic death, and not much else. Winter Soldier assumes the audience will give a shit about the titular character because other characters give a shit about him, and Civil War does much the same thing.

As FCH points out, the opposite approach was taken in Spider-Man 2, in that the major villain of the film—Doc Ock—is given time to develop as a character beyond his interactions with Spider-Man. We’re given a reason to care about Doc Ock, even if it’s just to make his villainy seem more threatening. He stands out as a character and enriches the whole film because the audience was given a proper chance to empathize with him. The same cannot be said of Bucky Barnes.

Lapis is a bit of a softer case in this regard, but she ultimately has the “assumed empathy” issue: We’re supposed to care about her because Steven cares about her. She’s getting a bit more development now, and I hope she grows past the whole “emo kid” bit, but I’m not finding a reason to care about her as a character beyond “Steven cares about Lapis”—and that’s a bad road to take an audience down.
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Anonymous
>243003
I'm not sure we're supposed to think Lapis is cool. It seems like people are assuming how the show wants you to react and acting like it's failed, but while Lapis' situation was dismal, the Peridot episode clearly showed that Lapis still isn't totally without faults herself. Nobody in the show is portrayed as perfect.
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>243009
Yeah, the episode was very much seen from the point of view of the dejected Peridot.
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Anonymous
You know I like the idea of Ruby and Sapphire at first, and I know it's probably going to sound bad, but now they're starting to grate on me with their constant PDA. It used to be cute but now it's sickeningly sweet, and real life couples, even really happy ones, are not that fanatically single-minded about each other or incapable of thinking about anything else when apart.
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>243009
Yup. And Lapis did ask if Peridot was ok at the end.
Also, the main Crystal Gems have had their asshole moments but learned and grew as characters, as did Perifot, so Lapis will likely grow as a character as well.
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>243013
They are different from real life couples in that they spend the majority of their time fused into a single being, it would naturally have an affect on one's thought processes.
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>243016
Yeah but the show is all about the Gems becoming more humanlike and as the episode made clear their love for each other is downright obsessive and maybe a little creepy.
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Anonymous
guys

the SU crew literally just wanted an April Ludgate analogue.
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>243016
maybe, but by the same merit, most people are capable of being individuals even in a relationship. Considering every fuse, when they are apart, they shouldn't just fawn over each other and be individuals. Else it's pointless to have them unfused.
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So when are we expecting more new episodes?
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>243109
More than two weeks from now.
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Anonymous
I'm kind of wondering why Lapis can't just go live in the lighthouse, but she seems to be getting along well enough with Peridot now. The rubies were sweet, and I appreciate Lapis's keen use of low-energy techniques.
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>243111
>I'm kind of wondering why Lapis can't just go live in the lighthouse
Then she's have to argue over Ronaldo for it, because he's been half living there for years.
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>243117
Ah, I thought he only used it every once in a while for movie night and such. Makes me wonder why he doesn't run in on the picnics Steven has up there more often.
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NEW EPISODES

SOON

ISH
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>243306
A lot of them, in fact.
https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/750128512447549440
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Anonymous
>243335
>over 20 episodes to go
Damn, they're going to burn out at this rate and we'll be back to an insane hiatus again.
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>243336
We've already spent so much time on break that it's less than you'd think.

Production averages an episode every ten days, so about 36 a year. In the year before this premier, only 16 new episodes aired. 36 - 16 - 21 = -1.

This is basically just bringing us back to exactly where we were one year ago, right after the third Steven Bomb aired.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>243338

Problem with this: after CN burns through the completed episodes, there will be a likely huge gap between the end of this "superbomb" of premieres and the premiere of any more new episodes. The size of that gap is critical because a longer gap can kill interest/hype in the show. If CN were to space out the episodes it has backlogged by airing a new episode once per week instead of once per weekday, it could run the remaining episodes for damn near the rest of the year. That would help keep hype going through the end of the year while giving the crew more time to produce new episodes that can be held back for a “season premiere” proper.

And yes, I understand both the changing landscape of television and the fact that all these new episodes will be shown during a time when the show’s target demographic will be out of school. Doesn't change my opinion, tho’.
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T4 was here
My issue of "Too cool for School" came today.
Its just what I wanted!
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Anonymous
>243350
What is it? Comics?
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Anonymous
>243355
>Comics?
A comic, yes. I haven't read it yet, but it's about Steven visiting Connie's school. I remember it was announced a really long time before it actually came out.
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Anonymous
Bismuth = Woolie
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Anonymous
I'm surprised Wooliesmuth is purple and not brown. Very Rainbow Dash-esque.
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Aww, she's cute and looks vaguely dinosaurish.
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Anonymous
Neat that we get the names of other Rebels. Just waiting for an excursion to Homeworld or such and find a few more captured.
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>243372
Actually a good question.

We now know the first week's schedule is "Steven Floats", "Drop Beat Dad", "Mr. Greg", "Too Short to Ride", and "The New Lars". Just from the few clips and titles, it seems very unlikely to be any of them. Going from the list of leaked episode titles, the most likely episode is "Bubbled".

Of course, there's some other clips from this promo that probably aren't from any of those episodes either.

//youtube.com/watch?v=QgHBF4M1rzkyoutube thumb

Huh, just noticed Connie and Stevonnie wearing Mr. Maheswaran's jacket and the "dad on board" sticker. Someone might be in for a surprise...
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>243373

Gotta feeling that will be Stevonnie being seen by. Mr.Maheswaran and maybe freaking out a bit and getting accusatory which will cause them to break fusion.

Or bigger surprise if they don't. And they explain what Stevonnie is. Kinda would want the latter as more talk about that kinda stuff would be neat.
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Anonymous
Guess who's back!

//youtube.com/watch?v=yiNvO02KRJ8youtube thumb

Almost certainly Marty, but we'll technically have to wait a little to confirm. I can't wait to see how shitty he ends up looking by 40.
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>243432
>Guess who's back!
Steven Universe is having an episode guest starring Eminem?
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Anonymous
>243438
old Man Eminem trying to hide his ultra baldness.
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>243432
Steven just one handing that box like nothing. Getting his super strength going.
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Am I the only one who thought this episode kinda sucked?
Something about it felt really off.
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>243469
Felt too similar to "Story for Steven", except Sour Cream was doing less than Greg was.
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Anonymous
It was an ok episode, would have felt wrong if Marty came back and not had a thing going on with his offspring, looking forward to the setup of Greg having big money since it doesn't seem they will do the tired old cliche of a character coming into a fortune for an episode/acting like a jerk/losing all the money and gong back to normal personality by episode end to restore status quo.
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Anonymous
Yeah, this definitely feels like they're shaking up the status quo. I just feel mildly uncomfortable with it. I'm really not sure how to feel about the entire thing.
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On the bright side, Keep Beach City Weird is back, and the entry for last episode was great.

http://keepbeachcityweird.tumblr.com/post/147623331391/greetings-my-devoted-followers-many-of-you-have

Next episode is a musical one: "Mr. Greg"

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Anonymous
Maybe Pearl will start acting less unreasonable now.
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Anonymous
Rose super ultra double confirmed for fucking a whole bunch of dudes throughout human history

Poirl confirmed for agendered lesbian space-cuck forced to watch ever time and now left raising her halfbreed organic spawn

Songs weren't bad, could see why people might assume Greg blew threw all his money on the trip, but while expensive it was hardly anywhere near 10 million dollars worth of expenses
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Anonymous
Kinda wish Pearl could find someone and move on.
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>243486
Personally I just wish she'd realize that sometimes being single is the best thing for you and that she doesn't need romantic love at all to be complete. She's got a lot of codependency issues going on there.
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>243486
Considering her lifespan, it's been the equivalent of maybe a couple days for her. She doesn't need to find someone to move on, Anon's right that her bigger issue is codependency even inside the team.
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>243490
>243491

Indeed to such an extent that its abusive and obsessive. Wonder if there is anything in Lion Space that could help bring her closure.
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Anonymous
>Peridot goes straight from helpless right back to OP in the span of a single episode.
Well that's a thing.
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Anonymous
>243493
The closest she's come to closure is acting as a parent to Steven, and getting dragged into accepting herself and her situation by Greg and Garnet. She has made progress, although it sucked for her every step of the way.
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>243497
Waiting for her to get a message from Rose to finally drive it home. "Pearl, I'm gone and I'm never coming back."
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>243498
More like, "Continuing to obsess over long me after I'm gone won't do anyone any good, least of all not you". I think she gets it that Rose isn't coming back.
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>243496
>Peridot goes straight from helpless right back to OP in the span of a single episode.
Not everyone with magnetic/metal power is Magneto (or even Mariah/Bast). Like any other kind of power, it's as strong or weak as the writers want it to be, and so far Peridot's not shown a lot of power with it.
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>243499
Yea, but also that is a message that Pearl needs to hear and come to grips with in Private. No matter how Evangelion this gets Steven doesn't need to know that a parental figure was "Waiting him out" so to speak even if it was a subconscious desire.
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Anonymous
Shorty Squad Represent!

Excellent episode.
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>243500
True, that was a great deal of miming just to slowly pull in a tablet. I guess it'll mostly help make up for her lack of floaty tech fingers.

>243502
Was looking forward to Peridot spending time in town since she joined the CG, and was not dissapointed.
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Its not really subtext by now that Sadie and Lars are outright banging every now-and-again right?
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>243521
They've at least considered it.
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>243521
>243527

Lars "because it's there and nothing better is around." Poor Sadie thinking it's ever going to go somewhere.
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>243528
Not exactly, going by the episode Lar's has a thing for THICC girls plus more importantly as seen at the end of the episode he actually does care for Sadie specifically but like his shitty behavior/personality and issues about being seen a certain way prevents him from properly expressing it
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F-ing
Boy. That car from the 90's was really runnin'.
It was probably going pretty fast.

Like.
At around the 90's.
And it was runnin' in them.

...
Boy.


...
I wonder if there's been any anime references in the show lately.
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Anonymous
I'm honestly a bit worried about Sadie's taste in sex considering she had freaking Caligula in her shelf.
For that matter, they snuck porn in for Lars too...

This was a weird episode.
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Anonymous
The voice actor for Lars did a really good job during the episode.

Really felt like a different person during it.
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>243537
It was nice to hear Moy again, considering Lars was silent for the entire second season.
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Anonymous
Is Connie actually getting taller?
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Anonymous
>243543

Could be, she's the right age for it. But the show's not super consistent with heights apart from a very general ranking of who's taller than who so until it's commented on in the show or it becomes consistent after several episodes, it's hard to know for sure.
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>243557

It's like Gamagōri from Kill La Kill: the only consistent height animators had to make him was basically "bigger than everyone else".
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>243558
And her note is probably "Taller than Steven"
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>243559
"but shorter than Amethyst".
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>243563

"and thicker than Pearl".


Be a note in all caps on that one.
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>Ronaldo's girlfriend way the one working the ticket booth in Lion 2: The Movie
Goddammit, I totally didn't recognize her.
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>243610
Kiki is cute
CUUUUUTE!
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T4 was here
>243591
>have seen it now
OH! So thats why his blog went to shit.
http://keepbeachcityweird.tumblr.com/
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>Monster Reunion
So apparently that weapon from Lapis's flashback in "Same Old World" wasn't an explosion or radiation, it was a sound--or a song.
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>243628
Well shit.
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So many episodes in a row of bad memories and broken relationships lately. Wonder what Friday will bring?
Actually, other than Steven Floats, we've had episodes of Steven dealing with the relationship between sets of other characters close to him since the bomb began.

In particular, we've seen this with all gems who ever spent time hanging out with Steven except Garnet.So we'll probably see something with her soon, either another, possibly milder Ruby and Sapphire disagreement, or her dealing with someone else.

That's probably Gem Hunt though. Looking at the schedule, tomorrow is Greg story time and most likely Onion.
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>243638
>Greg story time and most likely Onion.
We know from the official preview that it's a flashback to before Steven was born, and Steven is older than Onion.

//youtube.com/watch?v=CzQ_6cB2Mnkyoutube thumb
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>243639
Which I just realized means there's a good chance it's Sour Cream.
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>242791
I was right, but not how I expected!
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>243639
What I meant was that I expected Greg to tell the story while babysitting Onion, since Vidalia plans to ahve Onion visit Steven sometime, though the preview also disproves that so whatever.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Well that was a personal gutpunch of an episode for me. ._.
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Anonymous
I like how Sour Cream always had a super deep voice.
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>243654
This tiny baby with the voice of Brian Posehn is just too good for words.
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Young Vidalia was fantastic.
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sage for doublepost
Summer of Steven itself will end season three next Wednesday with "Bubbled", then go two episodes into season four.

Even after the Summer of Steven is over, we'll go back to weekly episodes at least for a while.

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/steven-universe-too-short-to-ride/EP016164320440?aid=zap2it
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Anonymous
As long as they can stick to the schedule consistently from now on.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Jasper gon' get corrupted.
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Anonymous
>243680
And I can't wait. You know, some people wanted her to be redeemed, but I am fine with Lapis and Peridot. Besides, I feel Jasper is far more effective as an antagonist and I love the little sick grudge she has against Rose/ Steven.
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Anonymous
jasper makes me feel weird feelings about girls
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>243683
Bara women are the best kind.
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Anonymous
>243681
She's the Vegeta and that's okay.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>243683

Embrace your love for the Big Buff Cheetoh Puff.

ONE OF US ONE OF US
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And her name is JASPER QUARTZ!

https://www.myinstants.com/instant/john-cena-trumpet/
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Anonymous
>243692
My client, Jasper Lesnar, beat the streak.
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>24369
WHATCHA GONNA DO? WHEN THE 24 INCH PYTHONS AND JASPERMANIA DESTROY YOU!
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Anonymous
Jasper seems to drop her previous interests in favor of new ones easily. I wonder what she wants now, and does she even care what happened to Peridor?
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>243700
IT'S ME JASPER! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, JASPER!
>243701
I think her current goals have someting to do with fusion or just wanting to become more powerful in general. Or maybe there is more to it. I can't wait to see how this arc unfolds.
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Anonymous
Damn. Someone got their ass handed to them in a gift box with a snide message written on the card.
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Anonymous
>243700
Lewd.
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Anonymous
I wonder if we'll ever see Jasper, uh, fuserape anyone. She got pretty damn close to attempted murder.
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Anonymous
>243705
Moreso than the unhealthy relationship she had with Lapis? I don't expect she'll get much more forward than that. Maybe she'll try to combine with one or those corrupt gems? It'd could come off as skeevy even if they seem rather into it.

Amethyst still hasn't tried Jasper her Purple Puma mode. I know it's not something she can hold all the time, but it lasts long enough for a single round of combat. I also almost expected her to come back in a weird deformed version like all those times she regenerated in Reformed, but she at least wasn't so devastated as to forget that adventure's lesson.
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Anonymous
>243705
>I wonder if we'll ever see Jasper, uh, fuserape anyone. She got pretty damn close to attempted murder.

I believe the creators have said that fusion can't be done without consent. It can be coerced, but not taken. So Lapis is about as close as it comes.
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Anonymous
>243701
>243702

Yea pretty much that was a failed power up so now she's off to find another method. Such an Anime Villain its adorable.
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Anonymous
Am I the only one who thought the action scenes in this episode felt kinda wonky? They were this close to being cool, but the storyboarding made them look a lot sillier than they should've.
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Anonymous
I thought it took longer for them to reform after being poofed, I mean obviously it was required for the plot but...
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The Sneaky Tiki
>243709
Raven and Paul are not the best boarders.

>243711
http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Reformed

Amethyst takes the least time to reform of any Gem because she doesn't think enough about her forms.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2p43zb
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>243709
It was a little disappointing, since this was the one moment in the show I was looking forward to for literally years, STEVONNIE, RIDING LION, SWORD IN ONE HAND, SHIELD IN THE OTHER, WHACKING JASPER IN THE FACE, but I'm glad I was finally able to cross it off the bucket list. Hopefully there'll be a future encounter where all the bells and whistles will come out.
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Anonymous
>243709
i dont work on SU but man, we can't all be Hillary or Lauren.
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>243711
>243712
She actually did screw it up slightly. Her left eye is almost perpetually squinting now. Both episodes are showing that eye way more than normal, instead of keeping it hidden behind her hair, so it's definitely not an accident.
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Anonymous
Damn, some really good episodes the past couple of days.

Steven's really been getting into some actual physical scraps.
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>243719
If I remember wasn't an eye squint part of her problems in the episode where her gem got cracked?
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The Sneaky Tiki
>243728
The opposite, one of her eyes enlarged and she couldn't close it.

But yes, she appears to have difficulty with her eyes.
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>243729
>But yes, she appears to have difficulty with her eyes.
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Yes, she is a good shape shifter, but HER shape is what she has trouble with.

Her self-loathing is pretty central to her character.
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
Bismuth.

;~;
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Anonymous
Steven killed Tony Tony Chopper!
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thatother1dude/PKS88+dMMc
So I guess they'll let her out when the war's over for real?
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Anonymous
Or whenever it seems safe enough. Now that the breaking point is gone, and they can confront her as a group, there doesn't seem to be as much risk, though I can't imagine she would warm up to Peridot or Lapis all that easily. I could also see Jasper somehow hearing about all this and releasing Bismuth to propose an alliance of them against both the diamonds and Steven.
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thatother1dude/PKS88+dMMc
>243740
>I can't imagine she would warm up to Peridot or Lapis all that easily.
She'd probably dislike Lapis, even if she wasn't the same Bismuth that poofed her. There's various hints that Lapis is one of those "elites" that Bismuth hates: Her regular outfit is a flowing dress instead of some kind of jumpsuit or work outfit. There was clearly a lapis lazuli among the crowd in "The Answer". She was allowed to "visit" Earth when most gems don't seem allowed freedom of movement.

Peridot, though, I imagine Bismuth would love--she's a disgruntled, disrespected peon who told a Diamond to go fuck herself. Maybe that would make her realize deliberately murdering Homeworld gems isn't a great idea.
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>243739
She'll just try to make another one though. But this time they'd have Garnet, Pearl, and Amethyst around to protect Steven and contain Bismuth the next time she shows up.
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Anonymous
Predictably Tumblr is going apeshit over the fact that one possible reading of this episode's moral is that extremism and using a righteous cause to justify murder are bad, which is somehow extremely offensive. Because teaching young children that it's heroic to kill people who disagree with you isn't?
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Anonymous
>243745
Well yeah, that happens to sum up those types on Tumblr in a nutshell, pertinent example of trying to goad an artist into committing suicide for not drawing a character fat enough.
Its no surprise that they would throw a hissy over it.
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>243745
Interesting.
In my circles, people are saying this is a BTFO for BLM.
>"See? Killing cops is wrong you monkeys! She was even a gorilla! DICKS OUT."
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>243748

Your circles think BLM is just about killing cops, then. (Your circles comparing black people to monkeys/apes/gorillas is also racist as all hell.) OKAY /POL/ SHIT ASIDE NOW.

The dramatic throughline of the episode was Bismuth being too focused on revenge to see that Rose was right. Shattering the Diamonds and any other “upper crust” Homeworld Gems would never have achieved the same goals as trying to liberate the Gems oppresed by said "upper crust" through a less-violent (read: shatter-less) rebellion. Bismuth was so angry at how Homeworld treated her that she took Rose’s message of “you can be whatever you choose to be” a bit too seriously…and, in the process, set her sights on doing to Homeworld what Homeworld wanted to do to the rebellion.

When Rose disagreed with using the Breaking Point, Bismuth turned on Rose. It’s understandable why Rose poofed‘n’bubbled Bismuth, then trapped her in the Lion Dimension: If Bismuth could’ve convinced any of the other Crystal Gems to use the Breaking Point, the entire rebellion could have been lost. Homeworld would’ve likely fought harder against a shatter-happy rebellion, and with far more firepower than the Crystal Gems ever had, Breaking Point included.

Bismuth took a positive ideal and twisted it into a revenge fantasy that consumed her. You can call it a potshot at Tumblr or BLM or whoever, but I see it more as a modern (and kid-friendly) take on an old saying: “If you go looking for revenge, you better dig two graves.”
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Anonymous
>“If you go looking for revenge, you better dig two graves.”
Isn't the origin of that saying Chinese?

And it doesn't mean "Revenge is bad and self-destructive" but instead "You must be willing to give up everything in the name of revenge, for honor".
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Mr. StonezWb42fBPMM
>243750

Bismuth was pretty much prepared to give up everything—the rebellion, her friendship with Rose, and any semblance of “humanity” (you know what I mean)—for a shot at destroying the Upper Crust. She no longer saw Gems who could be either swayed into a new way of thinking (as she was) or convinced to free oppressed Gems; she saw only enemies that needed to be shattered, both for revenge and out of a misguided sense of justice for Gems who were—are—oppressed like she was.

And even if the phrase meant one thing at one time, it evolved to mean another; in this case, the “give up everything for revenge and honor” meaning fell to the wayside and the “revenge is self-destructive” meaning became the more well-known (and arguably better) meaning. If Bismuth hadn't narrowed her focus into revenge against the Upper Crust, then became a potential threat to both Rose and Steven, she likely wouldn’t have gotten poofed. (Twice.)
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Anonymous
>243748
Always thought she looked more like a giant dinosaur to me.
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Anonymous
>243749
It's pretty obviously an all-purpose "don't let vengeance drive you to becoming a monster". The most politics you can read into it is anti-Jacobinism, but you'd have to go out of your way to see it as aimed at any particular modern movement. Doesn't matter whether it's self-righteous Tumblr types or "All Lives Matter" idiots convinced Sugar took the red pill and joined them in the fight against the SJWs. The episode was probably planned freaking years ago. To see it like that says more about those people's vanity/delusion than the showrunners' intent. Or they're the kind of radicals proving the episode's point.
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rasputin_zeroe9Z+3lbULwW
>243753
I think "what's so wrong with executing class enemies" is strawmanning the argument slightly, what I'm mostly sensing is disappointment that once again the butch dreadlocked black lady is typecast as the Angry Militant Who Goes Too Far. We're primed from the beginning to treat her as suspicious and at the end those suspicions are proved correct - it's not a great look, to be honest, and I'm speaking as someone who loved the episode.

I don't think we've seen the end of either Bismuth or the debate she's stirred up. The show hasn't shied away in the past from the reality that justice sometimes demands the punching of things and that "why can't we all just get along" is not a catch-all solution to all the world's problems. Hell, we saw just such a moment this very episode! It's a moot dilemma at the moment due to Rose's bubble-fields, but I can see an episode coming where a gem (I'm betting Jasper) finds a way of breaking out of the bubbles, wreaks untold havoc, and makes adamantly clear that she will not stop unless she's destroyed for good. And then Steven will have to Make A Decision, and it will be an awful decision, and it will eat him up inside, and DRAMA.

I'm also hoping Bismuth returns because she is even more obviously Woolie-in-gem-form than she was the last time she appeared.
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>243754
>what I'm mostly sensing is disappointment that once again the butch dreadlocked black lady is typecast as the Angry Militant Who Goes Too Far
I wish that's where the arguments started and ended. Something like that, that's valid and been around since Jasper showed up. But like people involved in the arguments are noting it's just one of several and separate from the "pacifism is bad" one I'm talking about.

These people are pissed the show had the nerve to side with Steven instead of having Bismuth defeat him and convert him to her side, because they think his no-killing stance was fundamentally wrong and problematic and Bismuth was absolutely right, the episode's the message should've been the enemy is too far gone and it's better to destroy them and replace them with people more sympathetic to you than spare them because they're monsters who don't deserve mercy and will just take advantage of your kindness to hold onto power (Peridot who?). They're offended the writers are siding with the establishment by preaching that it's wrong to fight fire with fire and demonizing the oppressed underclass via Bismuth, because fuck yeah Marxism.

When there's nothing remotely anti-Tumblr about this episode unless you think Marxism and social justice really are about extremism and eat the rich stereotypes to begin with.
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Anonymous
>243745
You single out Tumblr for this way of thinking, but I know for a fact nerds bitched about about Batman not killing the Joker and Aang not killing Ozai because they don't accept a hero not killing even when they're watching children's cartoons.
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Anonymous
>243757
Do they argue that it's wrong specifically because it supports an oppressive status quo or do they just end it at calling the writers pussies/hacks/cucks?
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Anonymous
>243749
>Your circles think BLM is just about killing cops, then. (Your circles comparing black people to monkeys/apes/gorillas is also racist as all hell.) OKAY /POL/ SHIT ASIDE NOW.

I didn't have to go far at all, the /sug/ thread on /co/ got riled up that way.
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Anonymous
>243759
In the end, both camps are coming from the same place: they want the children's cartoon they're watching to be more DARK AND EDGY, LIKE ONE OF MY JAPANESE ANIMES, and are justifying it variously by trying to make it about how "sometimes the most moral option is murder." "Kill the Joker because otherwise he'll kill, and that makes Batman just as guilty as the Joker," "Kill the Diamonds because they're an oppressive regime and the oppressed have the right to kill the oppressors," "Kill Ozai because he's a war monger and conquerer and sometimes being a pacifist doesn't solve problems."

It's all just a basic problem adolescents have with the idea of heroes not being antiheroic enough.
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Anonymous
>243761
>tumblr - literal children
>4chan - can't browse if you're uner 18
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Sharkman Jhones
>243754

Not to push the point too much, but does that 100% apply in this case, considering how many people also rally around and shout about Garnet being "Black-coded" when Garnet is a hero/protagonist when Bismuth was not? Maybe I'm a little media-blind or under a rock, but I can't remember too many pieces of media that portray somewhat butch Black women (with or without dreads) as aggressive militants...or much of anything really, it's not a thing I see all that much in general.

Call it...something, call it whatever, but on Tumblr I tend to see a lot of people who seem to hate the idea of somebody they figure is "oppressed" ever being a villain, no matter the depth of it. Or they'll try to excuse behavior or lionize the character despite their actions in the canon material. I saw it here and the most recent example I can think of is one Tumblr user doing it to Reaper/Gabriel Reyes of Overwatch.
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Anonymous
>243763
>I tend to see a lot of people who seem to hate the idea of somebody they figure is "oppressed" ever being a villain, no matter the depth of it.

Bioshock Infinite being another example of the oppressed freedom fighters being portrayed as less-than-perfectly-good and got some negative flack because of it.
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>243762
I was actually using "adolescent" rather than "children" to imply a state of mind associated with relative youth rather than an actual numerical age range. Actually calling them "manchildren" tends to shut down discussion.

That being said, have you ever visited 4chan during the summer? "Can't browse if you're under 18" is just 4chan covering its ass--no one obeys that rule, and the people who put up that rule don't expect it to get followed. They put forward a token effort to ban people that are dumb enough to actually confirm that they're underage, but you're being absurd if you're honestly saying that a large enough portion of its userbase to affect the atmosphere isn't teenagers.
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Anonymous
>243761
The thing about Bismuth isn't that she wants to kill just the Diamonds, she wants to kill everyone allied with them. Including enemy Jaspers, Rubies, Lapises, Peridots, whatever Centipeetle was. It's the equivalent of going the nuclear option, and all she'd do is give the Diamonds cause to nuke Earth entirely due to escalating the violence.
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>243764
For Bioshock Infinite sure there were some people opposed to it in principle, but most of the complaints I've seen had more to do with how it was executed in a very hamfisted way.
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>243763
>but I can't remember too many pieces of media that portray somewhat butch Black women (with or without dreads) as aggressive militants

How about this.
How many pieces of media portray butch Black Women With Or Without Dreads to begin with?
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Anonymous
>243766
The Tumblr faction--who wish to canonize Bismuth anyway--are convinced that she was just trying to do an assassination against the diamonds, and wasn't planning to use the Breaking Point on anyone who got in her way. Even though we actually witnessed her attempting to use it on Steven, and it isn't much of a leap to assume she also tried to use it on Rose Quartz.
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Sharkman Jhones
>243769

>How many pieces of media portray butch Black Women With Or Without Dreads to begin with?

As I said, it's not a thing I see all that much in general so...Amanda Waller? Garnet's pretty tough looking, but I'm not sure I'd call her "butch." (I'm limiting myself to cartoons at the moment.)

...Granted, it's a bit tough to 100% categorize Bismuth or Garnet as "oh, this is a black woman." I remember hearing Rebecca Sugar clarified that the "race" of the Gems is intentionally ambiguous: Gems are still supposed to be space aliens with human-like characteristics, and those human-like characteristics are pretty varied and from all over. Bismuth having dreads (or...dread-like hair?) was prolly a way to show off all of bismuth's natural colors in a character.
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Anonymous
There's also Michonne from the live action version of The Walking Dead, who I guess counts as butch? She's definitely got her issues, but she's not what I'd describe as militant angry black lady. More the opposite, she's cold and emotionless until her new friends get her to warm up.
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>243766
>>Whatever Centipeedle was
I think she's probably a Nephrite. They were mentioned as being pilots in the episode and they did fly the ship so...

Anyways, continue on with the extremists debate.
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Peridot with a bowtie is perfect and I do not know why. Probably because of how short she is.
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>243775
Give her a plaid short jacket. Make her look like a used car salesman or a '70s game show host.
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>243774
Unless the pilots are one type and the captains are another.
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>243778
It fits color wise
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>243775
It's cute but I hope it's not permanent. Her official CG design should be something else.
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I saw "Beta" online so I wouldn't get spoiled because of the early broadcast, but kind of regret it because the video quality is so poor.

Anyway, I guess this means Jasper is the Ultimate Warrior.
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God I love Peridot.
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>243775
>Peridot with a bowtie is perfect and I do not know why.
Maybe because of where she got it? That's why it was floating in that aquarium with a tear on its neck.
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>243777
Have her cohost a late night show with Sardonyx.
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>243784

Johnny Carson or Phil Donahue? Humor or very Dry.
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>243794
First time I saw this, I missed the dialogue indicating that when Rose and Amethyst fused, their fusion was also called Smoky Quartz.
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>243795
hope we get to see that one too.
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Anonymous
This episode made me feel really, really bad for Jasper.
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Anonymous
Well, there goes the bae.
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>243798
She has a good chance of coming back, since her corruption was pretty recent.
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Anonymous
Pearl telling Bismuth that Loney Blade's message about weapons of unlimited power can be dismissed as just entertainment sure does take on significance in hindsight. I wonder if Connie would have rejected the Breaking Point or taken whatever opporunity she could to protect her planet.

>243785
Difficult to tell, I don't actually watch as many shows as I would like to. But I'm guessing as an episode it would probably involve Peridot getting a better understanding of her own sense of humor as she goes.
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Anonymous
I really wanna see Jasper and Amethyst being cute sisters doing cute sister things together now.
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>243801
hopefully later and then part of their acceptance of each other is their own fusion.
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All those communication issues.
>Bismuth didn't get to learn about Lapis Peridot defecting when that could have taught her the value of mercy.
>If the Rubies weren't misdirected they'd have taken Jasper off-planet before she could get corrupted.
>Steven knowing what happened to Pink Diamon would have changd how he handled both encounters.
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>243816
Would it have been good if they took Jasper back? She might call another round of forces down on them out of anger.
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