>>241289 >Peridot: So what exactly is it that makes you think fusion is like a romantic encounter? >Garnet: The part where you aren't gettin' any. >Pearl and Amethyst, immitating Mordecai and Rigby: OOOOOHHHHHH!
From Peridot's slowed down shipping rant, there is a second voice buried in the audio saying something along the lines of “right moment at the right time….we are about launch out first global…since 1977…a whole new world…a world where”
>>241295 Yes. It's also be some especially big geometric hair. I have no idea how it would out beyond that other than probably being even nerdier than Alexandrite. Not to mention we haven't even seen what Peridot summons out of her gem, let alone how it'd combine.
>>241282 So far they do a fine job balancing the main four with Greg and Connie. Having her take the barn might be partly to give her an excuse to not show up as much, but I could see it go either way.
While Garnet opened Peridot up to the idea of fusion, I figure she'll do it with Amy first since that's still who she likes more. But since she's actually more acclimated to Earth now than I expected, it probably won't result in as much mischief as I previously expected.
>>241304 >Having her take the barn might be partly to give her an excuse to not show up as much, but I could see it go either way. Speaking of which, I feel like a dumbass for never noticing the barn was so close to the temple.
>>241321 Amethyst and Peridot's voice actresses posted a picture of them during a recording session a couple months ago. I'm pretty sure that means Peridot will be on the show in some capacity for a decent while considering the length of production time.
As for Gem deaths, I'm think Jasper then Lapis then Pearl. Jasper is pretty bad; she may be only redeemable by death. Lapis because she's one great big tragedy. And Pearl because it's in her nature to sacrifice herself and her death might inspire a pearl rebellion and leave room for Peri as a permanent member of the team.
>>241359 The last thing she we saw her do, chronologically, was sit around quietly and have an unheard conversation after being carried away completely distraught at having broken her former allegiance in favor of some ancient tattered remnant of a rebel force. So yeah, after getting rid of the cluster she might be more interested in barn work than going on missions.
Though getting Jasper and Lapis seems like something she'd want to get involvled in at some point. And if they actually hunt any more corrupted gems it's at least not something I expect she'd be against, since if anything a way to restore otherwise lost gems would be a tremendous boost to resource efficiency. So I can see her going out to help Steven often enough without necessarily being all that heroic about it.
Incidentally, what we've seen of gem shards relatively lately made me realize how creepy it would be if a regular humans found one without the Gems nearby to stop the resulting monster quickly. Even disregarding how Frybo was, that'd be pretty messed up. Which is probably why that's not a thing in the show even though I'd expect human nature to make it happen eventually, along with most shards being put into the cluster itself or found early and kept by the Gems.
>>241359 Not really? She's not a flat-out "hero" but instead a minor techie who's become a rebel through circumstances.
The whole thing with her trying to work out a logical compromise with her boss that would please both sides because she's experienced a viewpoint outside of the regime she was raised in was entirely plausible, and now that her former god has shown herself to be fallible and she now has no chance of going home it would make sense if she grew ever closer to the Crystal Gems and their philosophies.
We haven't really seen anyone who's definitively associated with White Diamond, unless there were some white background characters in Garnet's story. Pearl was either always pink or at least switched to before or early on in the rebellion, based on her space suit.
There's the theory of White Diamond being the pyramid gem, but that just raises further questions as to why she's been left to explode with the rest of the planet, and yet white is still a part of the Diamond Authority logo while pink was taken out.
If WD is bubbled on Earth, that seems like an obvious temptation for Peridot, since saving a diamond authority member could easily look like a way to make amends for insulting YD. Though leaving WD on Earth to explode in the first place sounds an awful lot like a convenient a political assassination by a rival diamond.
>>241398 >There's the theory of White Diamond being the pyramid gem, but that just raises further questions as to why she's been left to explode with the rest of the planet, and yet white is still a part of the Diamond Authority logo while pink was taken out.
The one thing said about the pyramid gem is that it's corrupted.
>>241400 A thought Rose seems to be very Optimus Prime. What if White was their Megatron but their schism didn't occur and they both fought against the other gems Rose fighting for Freedom and White fighting to break the caste system that kept gems subjugated.
When a tumblr comic is fun but too long to post do to lazy feelings I will just say fuck it and post link. http://mimicteixeira.tumblr.com/post/139529617429/everthing-would-have-make-sence-if-you-have HA!
>>241771 >They are dropping massive spoilers for the next episodes during its time off air, hell not just spoilers but more like major parts of the episodes "They" in this case is the UK Cartoon Network website, which posted two ~three minute videos of huge stuff from future episodes.
This stuff is inevitable when they delay the domestic release so much.
>>241782 Back when the third bomb ended, Burnett said they were almost out of finished episodes. Seven months have passed since then, and there have been eleven episode aired. That's more than 19 days per episode, when the rest of the show (and basically every other CN show) averages 10 days per episode, including seasonal breaks.
So either production has had a significant delay (either with specific episodes or general production) or they have about 10 episodes finished but unaired. Any foreign network used to being less than ghat far behind will probably have completely unaired episodes.
So there's a good chance this won't just happen again, but that it will happen again, with a different country (or several), before the next episode officially even airs. Assuming none of those foreign network just show the whole episode on TV.
>>241785 >They did take a short vacation, and few studios work year-round, either. The "10 days per episode" figure is accounting for all breaks over a show's entire broadcast history. It's just the number of days between the series premier and most recent season premier divided by the number of episodes that aired in that time frame.
Considering all the heavy metaphors around fusion as representing sexuality or at least romantic intimacy, I wonder what they'll do regarding the gem equivalent of asexuality or voluntary celibacy? Speaking as someone who only has interest in companionate romance, it'd be nice to see something like that explicitly addressed as opposed to settling for no-hugging-no-kissing stuff.
>>241940 Again, that's still a metaphor for sexuality in the sense of rape or at least emotionally manipulative sex. What about people who choose not to engage in relationships/sex or have zero interest in it to begin with? I know the crew doesn't actually think such people are all like Jaspers or pre-character development Peridot, but the most recent batch of episodes has a strong undertone of "falling in love and having sex is what makes us different from Homeworld cogs and doing that if the ultimate way to be free". Peridot wanting to wait before fusing is not treated as a bad thing but it's also holding off on an urge she's supposed to give into eventually.
I mean, Pearl and Amethyst don't seem to have any real romance going on but given the subtext fusion gets most people see their relationship as friends with benefits or in a parallel polyamorous relationship with Garnet anyway. They might have Steven fuse with the Crystal Gems to show it doesn't always have to be romantic in nature, but I'd still like it if they discussed the matter of passionate but purely platonic relationships, just because it's good about everything else and there's still the stereotype that people who could but don't want to have sex are losers.
>>241926 >>241941 While I think disinterest could be an interesting stance on fusion for a character, the idea of fusion and what it represents is fairly close to the question of what Steven is, what with him being another type of hybrid who was created in a romantic manner. So, Steven being the main character, it doesn't surprise me that the initial cast of gems all reflect that by demonstrating some aspect of what it means to fuse.
>>241947 Personally, I think that would really be hard to distinguish from what Garnet is already, given that their devotion is shown to go beyond simple attraction. That's part of, but not the entirety of the relationship. An old partnership currently lacking physical love would be more like an old married couple that decided to stop getting busy for whatever reason a few years ago. That is, if they undergo what's considered to be actual fusion, unlike what I describe in the next paragraph.
Given the fact that combining with gems of the same type has been shown to be categorically "not fusion", I think the two Rubies who didn't fuse with Sapphire have already shown a distinctly unromantic camaraderie with each other. Gems of the same are each their own person rather than interchangeable instances of a single entity, yet their merger seamlessly works as a "big gem" that just glosses over their personal differences.
I can imagine those two rubies preferring the simplicity of that to the nuance of being a garnet. Seems kind of familial, if you consider the phenomenon of non-fusion-merging as a way of letting relatives use magic to combine power without it being incest. The only CG I see acting like that's a bad thing is Peridot, funnily enough, due to her power-based view of relationships. And because, as a fanfiction writer, she is by definition shamelessly perverse.
Turns out season two is already over because seasons 2-5 all have 26 half-hour episodes, unlike the first season.
Because we'd been assuming all the seasons would be 52 episode, this news just brings the episode count up to what we already assumed it would be.
The article is correct in saying the next episode will be the season three premier, which will apparently be in summer. I wished we knew earlier that this was an actual off-season break, and not just happening at a random point.
I have some mixed feelings--not so much about the episodes, as the way they came out. The Cluster was introduced over seven months ago, so it's a bit irritating to find out four of those months were waiting for just the last two episodes about it (for the foreseeable future). It makes sense in terms of ratings to put space between the big hooks of "Yellow Diamond shows her face, Peridot joins the Crystal Gems" and "Lapis is back", but it still feels like a bait-and-switch.
I'm both interested in and confused by Peridot's line that "I don't have memories [of Homeworld], just feelings." Is she just saying it was uneventful, or does she literally mean her knowledge of it was build-in and not from experience? At first I thought it was fucked up that she knew that much about the gem shards while involved in the forced fusion experiments, but she was basically thinking of them as inanimate objects.
So a broken gem is still dead, but the shards can reach a sort of satisfaction with their lives, not just a horrific existence like Frybo or the ones turned into ink for that scroll. It's life, but not as we know it.
>>242785 I think Peridot meant that she didn't have distinct memories of before she was properly formed, only recalling vague feelings from before she began to have intelligent awareness. But she was probably also sent off into space soon after being formed, since she was created fully formed and able to perform her job.
I expect at some point we're going to see what happens when you get all or at least most of a full set of shards back together, and wether having Steven lick the collection causes it to become the same gem as before or just a new person that's of the same gem type. Maybe a partial amensia type of thing where they remember some of who they used to be but don't see themselves as the same anymore?
I don't expect the Cluster to stay all as one gem forever, but I'm not sure exactly what direction it'll go in when swe see it again. If it actually forms, maybe it'll be a kind of living planet, with shards occasionally splitting off to from full gems somehow, in a process not entirely different from the kindergartens? Then Steven would have an alien planet to visit witout having to hop across the whole galaxy or shift much focus away from Earth.
Yeah, doubt we have seen the end of Jasper. The Steve-Melons were adorable. Especially the doggy. :) Glad Steven could resolve the Cluster-problem peacefully. And it seems Earth has giant monstrous beings at its core in a lot of cartoons - in Transformers Prime/RID Earth has Unicron at the core, here it is the Cluster...
Going with size talks and what Peri said a bout drilling through a layer of Gem material. I'm wondering about the situation of the Cluster given its size. Was it some kinda gem material pushed off into space during their what appears to be eons long legit Transformer style conflict between those sides.
Did Earth form around that Cluster and that being why it was good gestation material?
Or maybe I'm just missing a place since this show goes so lore heavy.
I'm glad we found out why Lapis was in the mirror and it was just "she visited Earth, got poofed by Woolie, was mistaken for a Crystal Gem, was stuck in the mirror to be interrogated, then got left behind". The theories about that were getting absurdly complicated.
For the uninformed, the next two episodes aired on France and a third airs today. It's dual audio, so people were able to capture English audio, with just a few French subtitles for text, in fairly good picture quality (720p).
Barn Mates: https://mega.nz/#!t0MHjaTT!Gh19XqZNsslp-BRe51k8QM_Sz8nop5TEOZXRA0hTnJQ
Hit the Diamond: https://mega.nz/#!wNgSmQBC!aa5TjbN79QPiR6RJZD3EtPIN_IvtY96lrUsHS8a4FUY
Is anyone else not that big of a fan of Lapis? She comes off as such a downer and just a plain bitch. That Barn Mates episode just made me hate Lapis and like Peridot more.
Peridot tried her best to cheer Lapis up, outright says she's sorry, and that she understands LL's situation and will try to help her however she can....This blue bitch still acts sour. Then the next episode she acts all "Ha you guys are dumb and I don't like any of you except Steven but I'll hang with you guys because I'm so cool...." I....I don't get it. I dunno how some people can like Lapis when she's just acts so miserable and depressing to be around.
I understand where Lapis is coming from but Peridot didn't do anything massively wrong except use her for information and that's really it. I think Peri's crime wasn't THAT extreme to just keep this vendetta against her.
>>242927 >I understand where Lapis is coming from but Peridot didn't do anything massively wrong except use her for information and that's really it. I think Peri's crime wasn't THAT extreme to just keep this vendetta against her. I mean. The idea was that she was gonna take Lapis to get reprimanded on homeworld. Basically a captor and captee situation.
No, I don't love Lapis. But I kinda do sympathize with her.
>>242928 Even then, that was mostly Jasper, and even if Peridot was nominally head of the mission, she had no real authority over her escort. But no, I'm not terribly fond of Lapis. We're just sort of supposed to care because Steven does, but she's honestly a bit of a Bitch. Hell, she's angry at the crystal gems, but homeworld gems are the ones who tortured her. Repeatedly.
I don't mind Lapis, but she definitely needs more character development and possibly an arc of her dealing with her feelings towards the Crystal Gems. Peridot is a far more beloved character because of her development and character arc since her debut. Lapis needs that same development before I can begin to give a damn about her.
I feel Lapis will get more development now that she's on Earth. I feel Peridot had more opportunities for development, as we got more of her recently. Now that Lapis is living with Peridot. I feel we will see more development for Lapis as well.
>>242948 >We're just sort of supposed to care because Steven does.
Yes. That's the reason why I don't like Lapis. It feels like I'm forced to like her because she gets along with Steven. Probably the worst things ever when it comes to writing in general. is having that character that magically gets along with the main character and is presented as this already lovable person.
To me, Lapis is presented to be this depressing person with a dark past who acts like the distant oppressed girl but she's totally cool guyz! Look how much she doesn't care! Wow she's....she reminds me of some dumb high school girls who think their life is completely awful when, in reality, there are people around them want to help them.
It's still early to declare Lapis as someone I totally hate but the whole argument between Peridot trying to understand her and help her somewhat ruined Lapis for me. Because at that point, she's just trying to be difficult with others on purpose.
>Probably the worst things ever when it comes to writing in general. is having that character that magically gets along with the main character and is presented as this already lovable person.
It’s a variant on the problem that Film Crit HULK calls “assumed empathy”. Take the MCU version of Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier: the last two Captain America films have been centered around Barnes, and the filmmakers assume we’ll care about Bucky as a character because Cap does. But even as far back as The First Avenger, we’re barely given a reason to give a shit about Bucky; he’s there to be Steve’s friend, die a (fake) tragic death, and not much else. Winter Soldier assumes the audience will give a shit about the titular character because other characters give a shit about him, and Civil War does much the same thing.
As FCH points out, the opposite approach was taken in Spider-Man 2, in that the major villain of the film—Doc Ock—is given time to develop as a character beyond his interactions with Spider-Man. We’re given a reason to care about Doc Ock, even if it’s just to make his villainy seem more threatening. He stands out as a character and enriches the whole film because the audience was given a proper chance to empathize with him. The same cannot be said of Bucky Barnes.
Lapis is a bit of a softer case in this regard, but she ultimately has the “assumed empathy” issue: We’re supposed to care about her because Steven cares about her. She’s getting a bit more development now, and I hope she grows past the whole “emo kid” bit, but I’m not finding a reason to care about her as a character beyond “Steven cares about Lapis”—and that’s a bad road to take an audience down.
>>243003 I'm not sure we're supposed to think Lapis is cool. It seems like people are assuming how the show wants you to react and acting like it's failed, but while Lapis' situation was dismal, the Peridot episode clearly showed that Lapis still isn't totally without faults herself. Nobody in the show is portrayed as perfect.
You know I like the idea of Ruby and Sapphire at first, and I know it's probably going to sound bad, but now they're starting to grate on me with their constant PDA. It used to be cute but now it's sickeningly sweet, and real life couples, even really happy ones, are not that fanatically single-minded about each other or incapable of thinking about anything else when apart.
>>243009 Yup. And Lapis did ask if Peridot was ok at the end. Also, the main Crystal Gems have had their asshole moments but learned and grew as characters, as did Perifot, so Lapis will likely grow as a character as well.
>>243016 maybe, but by the same merit, most people are capable of being individuals even in a relationship. Considering every fuse, when they are apart, they shouldn't just fawn over each other and be individuals. Else it's pointless to have them unfused.
I'm kind of wondering why Lapis can't just go live in the lighthouse, but she seems to be getting along well enough with Peridot now. The rubies were sweet, and I appreciate Lapis's keen use of low-energy techniques.
Problem with this: after CN burns through the completed episodes, there will be a likely huge gap between the end of this "superbomb" of premieres and the premiere of any more new episodes. The size of that gap is critical because a longer gap can kill interest/hype in the show. If CN were to space out the episodes it has backlogged by airing a new episode once per week instead of once per weekday, it could run the remaining episodes for damn near the rest of the year. That would help keep hype going through the end of the year while giving the crew more time to produce new episodes that can be held back for a “season premiere” proper.
And yes, I understand both the changing landscape of television and the fact that all these new episodes will be shown during a time when the show’s target demographic will be out of school. Doesn't change my opinion, tho’.
We now know the first week's schedule is "Steven Floats", "Drop Beat Dad", "Mr. Greg", "Too Short to Ride", and "The New Lars". Just from the few clips and titles, it seems very unlikely to be any of them. Going from the list of leaked episode titles, the most likely episode is "Bubbled".
Of course, there's some other clips from this promo that probably aren't from any of those episodes either.
It was an ok episode, would have felt wrong if Marty came back and not had a thing going on with his offspring, looking forward to the setup of Greg having big money since it doesn't seem they will do the tired old cliche of a character coming into a fortune for an episode/acting like a jerk/losing all the money and gong back to normal personality by episode end to restore status quo.
>>243486 Personally I just wish she'd realize that sometimes being single is the best thing for you and that she doesn't need romantic love at all to be complete. She's got a lot of codependency issues going on there.
>>243486 Considering her lifespan, it's been the equivalent of maybe a couple days for her. She doesn't need to find someone to move on, Anon's right that her bigger issue is codependency even inside the team.
>>243493 The closest she's come to closure is acting as a parent to Steven, and getting dragged into accepting herself and her situation by Greg and Garnet. She has made progress, although it sucked for her every step of the way.
>>243496 >Peridot goes straight from helpless right back to OP in the span of a single episode. Not everyone with magnetic/metal power is Magneto (or even Mariah/Bast). Like any other kind of power, it's as strong or weak as the writers want it to be, and so far Peridot's not shown a lot of power with it.
>>243499 Yea, but also that is a message that Pearl needs to hear and come to grips with in Private. No matter how Evangelion this gets Steven doesn't need to know that a parental figure was "Waiting him out" so to speak even if it was a subconscious desire.
>>243528 Not exactly, going by the episode Lar's has a thing for THICC girls plus more importantly as seen at the end of the episode he actually does care for Sadie specifically but like his shitty behavior/personality and issues about being seen a certain way prevents him from properly expressing it
Could be, she's the right age for it. But the show's not super consistent with heights apart from a very general ranking of who's taller than who so until it's commented on in the show or it becomes consistent after several episodes, it's hard to know for sure.
So many episodes in a row of bad memories and broken relationships lately. Wonder what Friday will bring? Actually, other than Steven Floats, we've had episodes of Steven dealing with the relationship between sets of other characters close to him since the bomb began.
In particular, we've seen this with all gems who ever spent time hanging out with Steven except Garnet.So we'll probably see something with her soon, either another, possibly milder Ruby and Sapphire disagreement, or her dealing with someone else.
That's probably Gem Hunt though. Looking at the schedule, tomorrow is Greg story time and most likely Onion.
>>243680 And I can't wait. You know, some people wanted her to be redeemed, but I am fine with Lapis and Peridot. Besides, I feel Jasper is far more effective as an antagonist and I love the little sick grudge she has against Rose/ Steven.
>>243700 IT'S ME JASPER! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, JASPER! >>243701 I think her current goals have someting to do with fusion or just wanting to become more powerful in general. Or maybe there is more to it. I can't wait to see how this arc unfolds.
>>243705 Moreso than the unhealthy relationship she had with Lapis? I don't expect she'll get much more forward than that. Maybe she'll try to combine with one or those corrupt gems? It'd could come off as skeevy even if they seem rather into it.
Amethyst still hasn't tried Jasper her Purple Puma mode. I know it's not something she can hold all the time, but it lasts long enough for a single round of combat. I also almost expected her to come back in a weird deformed version like all those times she regenerated in Reformed, but she at least wasn't so devastated as to forget that adventure's lesson.
>>243709 It was a little disappointing, since this was the one moment in the show I was looking forward to for literally years, STEVONNIE, RIDING LION, SWORD IN ONE HAND, SHIELD IN THE OTHER, WHACKING JASPER IN THE FACE, but I'm glad I was finally able to cross it off the bucket list. Hopefully there'll be a future encounter where all the bells and whistles will come out.
>>243711 >>243712 She actually did screw it up slightly. Her left eye is almost perpetually squinting now. Both episodes are showing that eye way more than normal, instead of keeping it hidden behind her hair, so it's definitely not an accident.
Or whenever it seems safe enough. Now that the breaking point is gone, and they can confront her as a group, there doesn't seem to be as much risk, though I can't imagine she would warm up to Peridot or Lapis all that easily.I could also see Jasper somehow hearing about all this and releasing Bismuth to propose an alliance of them against both the diamonds and Steven.
>>243740 >I can't imagine she would warm up to Peridot or Lapis all that easily. She'd probably dislike Lapis, even if she wasn't the same Bismuth that poofed her. There's various hints that Lapis is one of those "elites" that Bismuth hates: Her regular outfit is a flowing dress instead of some kind of jumpsuit or work outfit. There was clearly a lapis lazuli among the crowd in "The Answer". She was allowed to "visit" Earth when most gems don't seem allowed freedom of movement.
Peridot, though, I imagine Bismuth would love--she's a disgruntled, disrespected peon who told a Diamond to go fuck herself. Maybe that would make her realize deliberately murdering Homeworld gems isn't a great idea.
Predictably Tumblr is going apeshit over the fact that one possible reading of this episode's moral is that extremism and using a righteous cause to justify murder are bad, which is somehow extremely offensive. Because teaching young children that it's heroic to kill people who disagree with you isn't?
>>243745 Well yeah, that happens to sum up those types on Tumblr in a nutshell, pertinent example of trying to goad an artist into committing suicide for not drawing a character fat enough. Its no surprise that they would throw a hissy over it.
Your circles think BLM is just about killing cops, then. (Your circles comparing black people to monkeys/apes/gorillas is also racist as all hell.) OKAY /POL/ SHIT ASIDE NOW.
The dramatic throughline of the episode was Bismuth being too focused on revenge to see that Rose was right. Shattering the Diamonds and any other “upper crust” Homeworld Gems would never have achieved the same goals as trying to liberate the Gems oppresed by said "upper crust" through a less-violent (read: shatter-less) rebellion. Bismuth was so angry at how Homeworld treated her that she took Rose’s message of “you can be whatever you choose to be” a bit too seriously…and, in the process, set her sights on doing to Homeworld what Homeworld wanted to do to the rebellion.
When Rose disagreed with using the Breaking Point, Bismuth turned on Rose. It’s understandable why Rose poofed‘n’bubbled Bismuth, then trapped her in the Lion Dimension: If Bismuth could’ve convinced any of the other Crystal Gems to use the Breaking Point, the entire rebellion could have been lost. Homeworld would’ve likely fought harder against a shatter-happy rebellion, and with far more firepower than the Crystal Gems ever had, Breaking Point included.
Bismuth took a positive ideal and twisted it into a revenge fantasy that consumed her. You can call it a potshot at Tumblr or BLM or whoever, but I see it more as a modern (and kid-friendly) take on an old saying: “If you go looking for revenge, you better dig two graves.”
Bismuth was pretty much prepared to give up everything—the rebellion, her friendship with Rose, and any semblance of “humanity” (you know what I mean)—for a shot at destroying the Upper Crust. She no longer saw Gems who could be either swayed into a new way of thinking (as she was) or convinced to free oppressed Gems; she saw only enemies that needed to be shattered, both for revenge and out of a misguided sense of justice for Gems who were—are—oppressed like she was.
And even if the phrase meant one thing at one time, it evolved to mean another; in this case, the “give up everything for revenge and honor” meaning fell to the wayside and the “revenge is self-destructive” meaning became the more well-known (and arguably better) meaning. If Bismuth hadn't narrowed her focus into revenge against the Upper Crust, then became a potential threat to both Rose and Steven, she likely wouldn’t have gotten poofed. (Twice.)
>>243749 It's pretty obviously an all-purpose "don't let vengeance drive you to becoming a monster". The most politics you can read into it is anti-Jacobinism, but you'd have to go out of your way to see it as aimed at any particular modern movement. Doesn't matter whether it's self-righteous Tumblr types or "All Lives Matter" idiots convinced Sugar took the red pill and joined them in the fight against the SJWs. The episode was probably planned freaking years ago. To see it like that says more about those people's vanity/delusion than the showrunners' intent. Or they're the kind of radicals proving the episode's point.
>>243753 I think "what's so wrong with executing class enemies" is strawmanning the argument slightly, what I'm mostly sensing is disappointment that once again the butch dreadlocked black lady is typecast as the Angry Militant Who Goes Too Far. We're primed from the beginning to treat her as suspicious and at the end those suspicions are proved correct - it's not a great look, to be honest, and I'm speaking as someone who loved the episode.
I don't think we've seen the end of either Bismuth or the debate she's stirred up. The show hasn't shied away in the past from the reality that justice sometimes demands the punching of things and that "why can't we all just get along" is not a catch-all solution to all the world's problems. Hell, we saw just such a moment this very episode! It's a moot dilemma at the moment due to Rose's bubble-fields, but I can see an episode coming where a gem (I'm betting Jasper) finds a way of breaking out of the bubbles, wreaks untold havoc, and makes adamantly clear that she will not stop unless she's destroyed for good. And then Steven will have to Make A Decision, and it will be an awful decision, and it will eat him up inside, and DRAMA.
I'm also hoping Bismuth returns because she is even more obviously Woolie-in-gem-form than she was the last time she appeared.
>>243754 >what I'm mostly sensing is disappointment that once again the butch dreadlocked black lady is typecast as the Angry Militant Who Goes Too Far I wish that's where the arguments started and ended. Something like that, that's valid and been around since Jasper showed up. But like people involved in the arguments are noting it's just one of several and separate from the "pacifism is bad" one I'm talking about.
These people are pissed the show had the nerve to side with Steven instead of having Bismuth defeat him and convert him to her side, because they think his no-killing stance was fundamentally wrong and problematic and Bismuth was absolutely right, the episode's the message should've been the enemy is too far gone and it's better to destroy them and replace them with people more sympathetic to you than spare them because they're monsters who don't deserve mercy and will just take advantage of your kindness to hold onto power (Peridot who?). They're offended the writers are siding with the establishment by preaching that it's wrong to fight fire with fire and demonizing the oppressed underclass via Bismuth, because fuck yeah Marxism.
When there's nothing remotely anti-Tumblr about this episode unless you think Marxism and social justice really are about extremism and eat the rich stereotypes to begin with.
>>243745 You single out Tumblr for this way of thinking, but I know for a fact nerds bitched about about Batman not killing the Joker and Aang not killing Ozai because they don't accept a hero not killing even when they're watching children's cartoons.
>>243759 In the end, both camps are coming from the same place: they want the children's cartoon they're watching to be more DARK AND EDGY, LIKE ONE OF MY JAPANESE ANIMES, and are justifying it variously by trying to make it about how "sometimes the most moral option is murder." "Kill the Joker because otherwise he'll kill, and that makes Batman just as guilty as the Joker," "Kill the Diamonds because they're an oppressive regime and the oppressed have the right to kill the oppressors," "Kill Ozai because he's a war monger and conquerer and sometimes being a pacifist doesn't solve problems."
It's all just a basic problem adolescents have with the idea of heroes not being antiheroic enough.
Not to push the point too much, but does that 100% apply in this case, considering how many people also rally around and shout about Garnet being "Black-coded" when Garnet is a hero/protagonist when Bismuth was not? Maybe I'm a little media-blind or under a rock, but I can't remember too many pieces of media that portray somewhat butch Black women (with or without dreads) as aggressive militants...or much of anything really, it's not a thing I see all that much in general.
Call it...something, call it whatever, but on Tumblr I tend to see a lot of people who seem to hate the idea of somebody they figure is "oppressed" ever being a villain, no matter the depth of it. Or they'll try to excuse behavior or lionize the character despite their actions in the canon material. I saw it here and the most recent example I can think of is one Tumblr user doing it to Reaper/Gabriel Reyes of Overwatch.
>>243762 I was actually using "adolescent" rather than "children" to imply a state of mind associated with relative youth rather than an actual numerical age range. Actually calling them "manchildren" tends to shut down discussion.
That being said, have you ever visited 4chan during the summer? "Can't browse if you're under 18" is just 4chan covering its ass--no one obeys that rule, and the people who put up that rule don't expect it to get followed. They put forward a token effort to ban people that are dumb enough to actually confirm that they're underage, but you're being absurd if you're honestly saying that a large enough portion of its userbase to affect the atmosphere isn't teenagers.
>>243761 The thing about Bismuth isn't that she wants to kill just the Diamonds, she wants to kill everyone allied with them. Including enemy Jaspers, Rubies, Lapises, Peridots, whatever Centipeetle was. It's the equivalent of going the nuclear option, and all she'd do is give the Diamonds cause to nuke Earth entirely due to escalating the violence.
>>243766 The Tumblr faction--who wish to canonize Bismuth anyway--are convinced that she was just trying to do an assassination against the diamonds, and wasn't planning to use the Breaking Point on anyone who got in her way. Even though we actually witnessed her attempting to use it on Steven, and it isn't much of a leap to assume she also tried to use it on Rose Quartz.
>How many pieces of media portray butch Black Women With Or Without Dreads to begin with?
As I said, it's not a thing I see all that much in general so...Amanda Waller? Garnet's pretty tough looking, but I'm not sure I'd call her "butch." (I'm limiting myself to cartoons at the moment.)
...Granted, it's a bit tough to 100% categorize Bismuth or Garnet as "oh, this is a black woman." I remember hearing Rebecca Sugar clarified that the "race" of the Gems is intentionally ambiguous: Gems are still supposed to be space aliens with human-like characteristics, and those human-like characteristics are pretty varied and from all over. Bismuth having dreads (or...dread-like hair?) was prolly a way to show off all of bismuth's natural colors in a character.
There's also Michonne from the live action version of The Walking Dead, who I guess counts as butch? She's definitely got her issues, but she's not what I'd describe as militant angry black lady. More the opposite, she's cold and emotionless until her new friends get her to warm up.
Pearl telling Bismuth that Loney Blade's message about weapons of unlimited power can be dismissed as just entertainment sure does take on significance in hindsight. I wonder if Connie would have rejected the Breaking Point or taken whatever opporunity she could to protect her planet.
>>243785 Difficult to tell, I don't actually watch as many shows as I would like to. But I'm guessing as an episode it would probably involve Peridot getting a better understanding of her own sense of humor as she goes.
All those communication issues. >Bismuth didn't get to learn about Lapis Peridot defecting when that could have taught her the value of mercy. >If the Rubies weren't misdirected they'd have taken Jasper off-planet before she could get corrupted. >Steven knowing what happened to Pink Diamon would have changd how he handled both encounters.