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All-New, All-Different Marvel Comics General

Previous thread: >>231585

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/06/04/marvel-comics-fall-relaunch/28452563/
No.235868
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>235882
I heard Doom showed his face in Secret Wars. Anyone got the pic?
No.235877
The Sneaky Tiki
HOLY SHIT STEVE STAYED OLD? RAD
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Omegon
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>>235864
A new Hulk? Mite b cool.
And X23 in classic Wolverines costume? Not bad.
And old 'cap is interesting.
I hope they don't fuck this up.
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Omegon
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>>235868
This should be it.
No.235883
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>235882

Holy shit, it's Jason Voorhees.
No.235885
Anonymous
>>235864
Cool Phil is around. Now just bring back his pal Deadpool.
No.235908
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>235937
So what is up with Steve?
No.235937
Anonymous
>>235908
He got his super juice sucked out of him. Though he looks better than he has before so maybe he's regenerating.
No.235961
Anonymous
Replies:>>235974
>>235864
She-Thor is still around can't wait to see every male villain/hero be turned into a bumbling oaf while every female villain gives her a pass because I respect your vag.
No.235973
Anonymous
Replies:>>235981
http://comicbook.com/2015/06/06/special-edition-new-york-marvels-next-big-thing-there-is-no-rebo/

so not a reboot just a more focused set of stories?
No.235974
Anonymous
>>235961
They just need to get rid of Jason Aaron.
No.235981
Anonymous
Replies:>>235986
>>235973
"Tony needs more villains for Tony"

Fuuuuuck. Bendis is THE WORST.

All of Iron Man's villains are Tony Stark villains, because they almost universally were people out to steal Tony Stark's technology and/or market share. Iron Man spent THIRTY YEARS as "Tony Stark's bodyguard" because EVERYTHING HE EVER FOUGHT WITHOUT THE AVENGERS WAS TRYING TO GET AT TONY STARK'S STUFF.
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No.235984
T4 was here
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Also while trying to find Howard first appearance I found this gem.
No.235986
Anonymous
>>235981
Bendis is only any good when he's writing his own stuff, like Miles and Jessica Jones.
No.236101
Anonymous
So I started to look into Sam Alexander Nova on a whim- Does it start feeling less like crappy fan fiction by someone incapable of basic research once Gerry Duggan takes over?

Because god damn it, Jeph Loeb. Jesse Alexander is Poochie as fuck.
No.236104
Anonymous
>>236101
Yes, thankfully.
No.236107
Sharkman Jhones
Replies:>>236114
>>236101

I don't know a lot about Nova, but wasn't this character one of a long line of characters that are somehow tied to Jeph Loeb's son? I remember somebody here mentioning that, once.
No.236114
Anonymous
>>236107
Yeah, he's pretty blatantly named for Sam Loeb.
No.236115
T4 was here
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No.236116
Anonymous
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>>236115
No Aflac joke?
No.236121
T4 was here
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>>236116
A what?
No.236125
Anonymous
Replies:>>236126
>>236121
Howard, don't you know? Bread makes you fat.
No.236126
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>236127
>>236125

Bread does not make you fat.
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Alpharius
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>>236126
Lol. Pull the other one.
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Anonymous
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No.236134
Anonymous
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>>236133
That joke was amazingly well done in the movie.
No.236135
Anonymous
Replies:>>236136
>>236134
Everything about the movie was amazingly well done.
No.236136
Anonymous
>>236135
This. Movie keeps being fun to watch, too.
>>235864
Did Tarzan join the Avengers too? Who's the guy on the right?
>>235984
Vampire Cows. Now I have seen everything. :D
No.236486
T4 was here
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>>236475
Maybe its what-his-face from Savage Land, you know, with the sabertooth tiger.
No.236491
Anonymous
Replies:>>236508
>>236475
Red Wolf. You may not recognize him because he isn't wearing his namesake Red Wolf hat, for some damn reason.

>>236486
Ka-Zar is blond.
No.236492
Anonymous
Replies:>>236502
>>235864
>four Spider-people
I'm not sure if Drew technically counts but I'm so glad they changed her costume. Looked kind of iffy in the first pics, but seeing it under a decent artist it fits in a lot better with the other Spiderpeeps's outfits, and her old one was horrendously ugly and unsexy.

Anyway which Ant-Man is this? Scott or Eric?
No.236502
Anonymous
>>236492
Its Scott thankfully, I tire of O'Grady and his "I'm an asshole." personality. Be fun if Peter ends up being the leader of Team Spider at both Coulson and Maria insistence.
No.236508
T4 was here
>>236491
So was Cap.
Just saying.
No.236515
Anonymous
Replies:>>236537
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-announces-doctor-strange-series-by-aaron-bachalo

After Ghost Rider and Thor, Aaron gets another shot at Marvel's supernatural side with Doctor Strange.
No.236537
Anonymous
Replies:>>236542
>>236515
I'm glad he's off Thor now, but poor Dr. Strange doesn't deserve to get shat up by him.
No.236542
Anonymous
>>236537
Esad Ribic's artwork is what really made God of Thunder worth reading, I think. Strange should have been handed to Ewing or Gillen.
No.237026
Jumpman
Replies:>>237038
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Yay!
No.237038
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>237039
>>237026

yay~

(get a better artist attached to this series please)
No.237039
Jumpman
>>237038
I honestly have no problem with and can't really understand why some get so upset by it.
No.237047
Anonymous
>>237039
People wanted a cute looking Squirrel Girl and not a pig-nosed, fat-faced Squirrel girl. The artist tends to give her and most characters cheek bones for some reason.
No.237048
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>237039

We've had this argument before and I don't feel like having it again. The tl;dr of it: we who don't like the art style think the artist makes people (not just Doreen) look ugly via the way they draw faces.

And that's all I have to say about that in this thread.
No.237071
Jumpman
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>237071

Lookit the first question on this: http://comicsalliance.com/ryan-north-erica-henderson-unbeatable-squirrel-girl-relaunch/
No.237079
Anonymous
>>237078

songbird

my precious songbird

what have they done to your face
No.237080
Anonymous
>>237078
Holy shit the white-haired girl's face is literally lopsided.
No.237082
Anonymous
Replies:>>237084
>>237079
>>237080
She also looks wall-eyed.
No.237084
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>237079
>>237080
>>237082

And now you know how I felt when I first saw Squirrel Girl drawn this way.
No.237085
Anonymous
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>>237078
Tried another fix. It's funny how much difference removing a few lines makes towards making her not look like her head is concave and smashed in by several hammers.
No.237086
Anonymous
>>237078
Everyone looks like they've been hit in the face with a shovel.

EVERYONE.

WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS?!?
No.237087
Anonymous
If Squirrel Girl as an Avenger under Hawkeye doesn't see them talking about the Great Lakes Avengers frequently, I will be disappointed.
No.237088
Anonymous
Replies:>>237089
>>237086
Because the writing is pretty good, and not every panel looks that way, even if way too many of them do. I've seen way shittier artists get lots of love on Tumblr so it might be popular with audiences who are less fussy about that stuff.
No.237089
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>237088

It's also a female-led comic that isn't all about angst, sex, or the more "serious" themes that comics love to explore these days. It's a goofy comic that doesn't take itself seriously, and those always manage to find an audience if they're well-written.
No.237122
Anonymous
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Rap album variants from Marvel
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8962581/marvel-classic-hip-hop-variant-comic-book-covers

This might be the only variant covers where I like almost all of them
No.237190
Anonymous
>>237086
A lot of people think comic book art is pretty ugly most of the time anyway. It's not a popular opinion in comic book circles, so people may not want to bring it up, but a lot of comic book art is just boring and actively gets in the way of the storytelling. What the Squirrel Girl art lacks in prettiness it makes up for in visual storytelling, which is what the book's about anyway.
No.237771
Anonymous
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http://comicbook.com/2015/08/05/fantastic-four-cast-members-walked-among-comic-con-fans-and-no-o/

Now this is justice.
No.237772
Anonymous
>>237771
Even Miles Teller? Man, you'd think someone would have at least cared about him, given the number of Divergent movies there are.
No.237773
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>237776
Fant4stic is hovering around 10% on Rotten Tomatoes, and it could stay in the single digit numbers if negative reviews keep pouring in.
No.237776
Anonymous
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>>237773
FFS and I thought Fox had crawled out of that hole.
No.237777
Anonymous
>>237771
No surprise, I don't think they mention names once in all the damn trailers. And that "Clever" Four designs aren't very notable in such a darkly shot movie.

>>237776
Nah they fucked up, Trank showed he was nowhere near ready for Prime Time and lost himself the dream job of a Star Wars film in the process.

Overall for the Actors aside from Jordan and his Rosa Parks garbage a few months back I just really feel sad for them that this turned out to be just not fun for anyone on either side.
No.237781
Anonymous
>>237771
Not really. The actors don't deserve to be shat on for what's basically the fault of the higher ups. OK, maybe Jordan deserves a tiny amount for going overboard with his rant, but he's a damn fine actor and in general the critics seem to think the four themselves were actually alright considering the awful material they were given.
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Anonymous
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http://variety.com/2015/film/news/fantastic-four-director-implies-that-fox-is-responsible-for-bad-reviews-1201558644/

Now that's just unprofessional
No.237787
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>237786

Gee, I wonder why he lost the Star Wars gig.
No.237788
Anonymous
>>237786
What an asshole.
No.237798
Anonymous
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Shots fired.

Burn hotter than the Human Torch.
No.237807
T4 was here
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>>237798
I dont get it...
No.237808
Jumpman
>>237807
Pegg is telling everyone to watch Mission Impossible 5.

It's a good burn, but Pegg should refrain any further attacks, considering the controversy with Star Trek Beyond being less "Star Trek" (which he's writing).
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Anonymous
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That's right. They tried ripping off AoU and BH6

//youtube.com/watch?v=d6BEO8wl6Y0youtube thumb
No.237879
Jumpman
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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/moon-girl-devil-dinosaur-marvel-female-superhero
No.237880
Anonymous
>>237879
Ohh man that sounds adorable. Anything with Devil Dinosaur gets an A in my book.
No.237881
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
FYI, checked out the Civil War tie-in to Secret Wars this morning thanks to a storytime on /co/ Prime.

If you haven't yet done so, read it yourself. It’s actually good.
No.237884
Anonymous
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>>237879
I don't know how comfortable I am with the idea of replacing a protohuman with a black girl in this duo.
No.237885
Anonymous
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>>237884
The original Moon Boy is apparently still in the story for a bit, and it sounds like they're timeshifted to the present.
No.237886
Anonymous
>>237885
They've been in the present since the 80s. No real change there.
No.237958
Anonymous
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All y'all need Illuminating Comics in your lives:

http://illuminatingcomics.tumblr.com
No.237960
Anonymous
>>237958
Man, wtf is with some of the faces in that art. It's more technically accomplished than Squirrel Girl's but Carol's expressions are genuinely disturbing me.
No.238008
T4 was here
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No.238020
Anonymous
>>238008
I don't think Secret War Parker Jr. is Mayday.
No.238353
Jumpman
Squirrel Girl made it on the NYT's Best Sellers list.

http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/2015-09-20/paperback-graphic-books/list.html
No.238354
Anonymous
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I don't know where it started but I'll see where this Gwenpool train goes.
No.238371
Anonymous
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>>238354
Me neither but the lack of pants is a little annoying. At least based Kamala is still based.
No.238373
Anonymous
>>238354
That She Hulk costume doesn't really work well in that picture.

The S logo just looks like a weird hook.
No.238374
Anonymous
>>238354
Who's Keebler elf-kun? I'm guessing Hawkeye because the things around his ears might be cochlear implants.
No.238385
Anonymous
>>238371
She already has the slash fics written.
>>235864
Based on that picture, they replaced all their heroes with new versions, then? Great. They didn't learn a thing from DC's errors.
Also, let me add here, the name Spider-Gwen and her costume are the Worst Thing Ever. It's stupid on soooo many levels. Does she even call herself that in combat, letting her name slip to the villains? Also, does this mean she got un-killed like so many characters? Only Uncle Ben left in the afterworld, now...
No.238402
Anonymous
>>238398
>so many shit and ignorant opinions in one post
Fuck off, you underageb&.
No.238410
Venkman !kM/YMzVjpI
Replies:>>238411
>>238398
Educate yourself before shit-posting!

Spider-Gwen is the name of the book, but in her particular universe, she's Spider-Woman. And she's from an alternate universe where Gwen got bit by the spider instead of Peter.
No.238411
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>238416
>>238410

And in her alternate universe, she couldn’t save Peter.
No.238416
T4 was here
>>238411
Also he was the Lizard.

The freaky monster sex they could have had.

What a shame...
No.238472
Anonymous
>>238398
The only actual "replacements" are Female Thor, Spider-Gwen, and Captain Falcon (who's been around as a person since the 70s or so). The rest of them are the originals or have been around for at least a few years.
No.238673
The Sneaky Tiki
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So Marvel is phasing out the X-men for the Inhumans because they have rights to them and want to make an "x-men style" movie.

Good idea actually, the sooner the X-men and Fantastic 4 are worthless the faster they get them back....plus the Inhumans are way cooler.
No.238674
The Sneaky Tiki
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Also, being averse to an actual thing that is mutating people makes a lot more sense than being averse to genetic aberrations.
No.238680
Anonymous
I don't want the X-Men to end up back with Marvel though. They're the one thing Fox has been doing right, and keeping them in a separate universe gives them more breathing room plus the mutant metaphor becomes a lot less paradoxical.
No.238684
Jumpman
>>238680
It's also hard to image in film like Deadpool being made under Marvel Studios.
No.238685
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Yeah, I’d rather Fox keep the X-Men properties. The MCU doesn’t need Wolverine.
No.238687
Anonymous
>>238680
I'm a little worried for the franchise once Singer departs. Of all the X-movies directed by other people only one of them was good. The rest were either mediocre (Wolverine) or horrible (3, Origins). Deadpool will probably be great, but it has the benefit of being a pet project by someone who really cares.
No.238698
Anonymous
Replies:>>238701
say it depends on how Apocalypse pans out. They fixed Apocalypse after people mocked it. Shame they went back to black battle armor after having so much better suits in the last two.
No.238701
Anonymous
>>238698
If there's been any changes to him since I haven't seen it yet and it's probably been stricken off the interwebs.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
>>238738
That's a lot of Spidermen.
No.238744
Anonymous
>>238738
Man some of that looks almost cool enough to get me back... but I know Marvel hasn't changed in any way to make me want to come back outside of occasionally buying something relatively selfcontained.

Like, duelling "Deadpool" all-star books bringing back the Kelly/McGuiness and Niceiza/Brown teams? That's awesome. But then I remember the whole fucking Messiah Complex era Cable series that replaced Cable/Deadpool and realize oh shit, yeah, Marvel is awful.
No.238745
Anonymous
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>>238738
OK, so what's the deal behind Spider-Woman being pregnant?
Scarlet Witch, Choulk, Hawkeye, and Moon Girl look interesting.
No.238746
Anonymous
Replies:>>238748
>>238745
>OK, so what's the deal behind Spider-Woman being pregnant?

If it's a sales success, the next rebranding is All-New, All-Pregnant.

Also, they're doing an 8 month time skip forward from the end of Secret Wars.
No.238748
Anonymous
>>238746
Who's the lucky father/penis-having mother?
No.238803
Anonymous
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Meanwhile...
No.238818
Anonymous
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/books/ta-nehisi-coates-to-write-black-panther-comic-for-marvel.html?_r=3
Odd choice of writer, considering his lack of experience working in the medium.
No.238828
Anonymous
>>238818
Ugh, I hope he doesn't carry over his pretentious writing style to Black Panther. Claremont X-Men had enough of that shit.
No.238831
Anonymous
>>238818
>>238828
I'm more concerned about him confusing American racial politics with African ones. There's obviously going to be a lot of crossover between the two because of colonialism but I don't want him to end up being Erudite Hudlin.
No.238834
Anonymous
>>238831
His articles seem to run the gauntlet of calling politics out for their shit across all spectrum.
No.238836
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y
Replies:>>238850
>>238831

To be Erudite Hudlin, Coates would have to be well-spoken, but a complete moron. Fortunately, Coates is a well-spoken and highly intelligent person.

Will he be a good comics writer? I dunno. He's a good non-fiction writer but while there's certainly some overlap that's not the same skillset. But I don't think that's a point you have to worry too much on.
No.238838
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
And Coates is already poking a little fun at what people think his run’s going to be like on Twitter.
No.238839
Anonymous
Replies:>>238840
He has a predilection for verbosity and grand statements, which is fine in essays, but like >>238828 said it doesn't really make for natural sounding speech unless he can tone it down.
No.238840
Anonymous
>>238839

Hmm, maybe if he had a writing partner to parse out his speeching.
No.238844
Sharkman Jhones
I've never read Hudlin's run vs. Priest's run, but I've not really run into any internet people who actually liked it.

Like, I've literally never seen anybody say they liked Reginald Hudlin the best. I've seen people say that they liked other writers besides Priest, or even thought the Kirby/Lee era was best, but nobody places Hudlin anywhere near the top.

I think by this point, most of us have seen what Hudlin is capable of putting out at his prime (the Black Panther special where they had Stan Lee make a spear-chucker joke right after we saw Wakandans throw a bunch of spears, anyone?)
No.238850
Anonymous
>>238836
Even if I don't necessarily agree with all of Coates' stuff he's definitely discerning enough that I can trust him not to pull any of Hudlin's misogyny or failures in basic storytelling.
No.239039
T4 was here
http://animeflavor.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-tv-episode-1-road-to-knowhere
Any good?
No.239051
Anonymous
>>239039
Eh. Makes me want Avengers: EMH back more than anything.
No.239052
The Sneaky Tiki
>>239039
Seems okay, the animation is G1 Transformers, detailed but skipping a ton of frames.
No.239107
T4 was here
Yeah, its a mixed show.

On one hand its more of movie flavored cosmic marvel with all that made it great.
Like FUCKING Cosmo and 80's music.

But then the USM/AA/H:AOS bullshit start with its lame morals and arguments.
You can be a half-hero Gamora, shut the fuck up!

Well atlest they kill things without going all emo about it like some other heroes.
Because nothing says dead like frozen solid followed by space blow out.
Ouch!
See also Groot's backstory.

Hope they go to Halfworld.
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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Dat top pic. Oh man, dat top pic. ❤
No.239290
Anonymous
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>>239178
Kon-Squirrel?
No.239291
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>239290

The bottom pic is Cat Thor. Which was an actual thing that happened in the first run of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.
No.239296
Mister Twister
Replies:>>239297
>>239178
Who drew that? What artist?
No.239297
Anonymous
>>239296
Erica Henderson, the normal Squirrel Girl artist. Her initials are on the bottom corner. The top one is not bad coming from her. The lack of color probably helps.
No.239298
Anonymous
Replies:>>239301
>>239291
>The bottom pic is Cat Thor. Which was an actual thing that happened in the first run of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.

...

You know, people defend shit like this on the basis of Throg, Frog of Thunder... but Throg was a one off thing and was literally Thor getting turned into a frog, not whoever or whatever getting to be Thor because magic hammer.
No.239301
Anonymous
>>239298
In the case of things that happen in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, people don't defend it on the basis of Throg, they defend it on the basis of "It's fun, shut up."
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>It's fun, shut up.

Speaking of which…

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/nycc-2015-ryan-north-and-chip-zdarsky-talk-the-how/1100-153845/
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Anonymous
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No.239398
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>239399
>>239397

See? SEE? Drawn by a competent artist, Doreen doesn't have to look like she got her face beaten with a shovel!
No.239399
Anonymous
>>239398
Its funny you say that, because thats exactly what it looks like happened.
No.240023
Anonymous
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Here is how you do it.
No.240147
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
So…according to the latest Unbeatable Squirrel Girl comics, Doreen is no longer a mutant.

http://kotaku.com/marvel-just-made-a-weird-change-to-squirrel-girl-1740137608
No.240148
Anonymous
>>240147
Yep, they made it a pretty tongue-in-cheek line out of it. Just wish the art was better because the writing is superb.
No.240254
MESIAS
Replies:>>240390
>>240147
I bet is probably to put her on any of the next phase movies (at least a as a cameo) since Fox has the movie rights of the all the mutant related teams (even if she isn't part of any X team). Reason of why they're pushing hard the Inhumans.
No.240390
T4 was here
>>240254
Which is good because the Inhumans are way cooler then the mutant.

"What, human hates and fear us? Well fuck'em, we're gonna go live on the MOON!"
No.240789
Anonymous
Tentative release dates for the first ANAD Marvel TPBs according to Amazon:

Silver Surfer Vol. 1 – July 26, 2016
Wolverine: Old Man Logan Vol. 1 – July 26, 2016
A-Force Vol. 1: Hypertime – July 19, 2016
Scarlet Witch Vol. 1 – July 19, 2016
Weirdworld Vol. 1 – July 19, 2016
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur – July 5, 2016
Patsy Walker, A.K.A. Hellcat! Vol. 1 – June 28, 2016
Star-Lord Vol. 1 – June 28, 2016
Star Brand & Nightmask Vol. 1 – June 28, 2016
Ultimates Vol. 1 – June 21, 2016
Red Wolf Vol. 1 – June 21, 2016
Spidey Vol. 1 – June 21, 2016
Black Knight Vol. 1 – June 21, 2016
Hercules Vol. 1 – June 21, 2016
Illuminati Vol. 1 – June 21, 2016
Venom: Space Knight Vol. 1: Agent of the Cosmos – June 21, 2016
Ms. Marvel Vol. 5: Super Famous – June 14, 2016
Vision Vol. 1 – June 14, 2016
Spider-Woman Vol. 1 – June 14, 2016
Guardians of Infinity Vol. 1 – June 14, 2016
Hawkeye Vol. 6 – June 14, 2016
Nova Vol. 1: Burn Out – June 14, 2016
Uncanny X-Men Vol. 1 – June 14, 2016
The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Vol. 1 – June 7, 2016
Angela: Queen of Hel – June 7, 2016
Deadpool: Bad Blood HC – June 7, 2016
Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D. Vol. 1 – June 7, 2016
Squadron Supreme Vol. 1 – May 31, 2016
All-New Inhumans Vol. 1: Skyspear – May 31, 2016
Drax Vol. 1 – May 31, 2016
Spider-Gwen Vol. 1 – May 24, 2016
Daredevil Vol. 1: Chinatown – May 24, 2016
Web Warriors of the Spider-Verse Vol. 1 – May 24, 2016
Howard the Duck Vol. 1 – May 24, 2016
Silk Vol. 1: Sinister – May 17, 2016
All-New X-Men Vol. 1 - May 17, 2016
Doctor Strange Vol. 1: The Way of the Weird HC – May 10, 2016
All-New Wolverine Vol. 1 – May 10, 2016
Extraordinary X-Men Vol. 1: X-Haven – May 10, 2016
The Astonishing Ant-Man Vol. 1 – May 10, 2016
Carnage Vol. 1: The One That Got Away – May 10, 2016
Spider-Man 2099 Vol. 1 – May 10, 2016
All New, All Different Avengers Vol. 1 – May 3, 2016
Captain America: Sam Wilson Vol. 1 – May 3, 2016
New Avengers Vol. 1 – May 3, 2016
Deadpool Vol. 1 – May 3, 2016
Contest of Champions Vol. 1 – May 3, 2016
Karnak Vol. 1: The Flaw in All Things – April 26, 2016
Uncanny Avengers Vol. 1 – April 26, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1: Emperor Quill – April 26, 2016
Invincible Iron Man Vol. 1 – April 19, 2016
Amazing Spider-Man: Worldwide Vol. 1 – April 19, 2016
Deadpool & Cable: Split Second – April 19, 2016
No.240790
Anonymous
Replies:>>240792
>>240390
I don't hate the Inhumans and in a free world I'd be glad that they finally have the chance to step out of the X-Men's shadows after being obscure for so long, but I heavily disagree about them being cooler than mutants.
No.240792
Anonymous
>>240790
Well, Inhumans are, traditionally, slave owning isolationists who barely interact with anyone, so i can see why disagreeing earthen being "cool" could cone from.
No.240826
Anonymous
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>>238354
Wasn't so bad, actually. While I suppose being drawn by Gurihiru helps, the character hasn't been as annoying as I initially thought she would be.
No.240827
Anonymous
Replies:>>240828
>>240826
Is that image you linked to by Kris Anka? He's not a bad artist by any means, but it's very stale and lifeless. Gurihiru's work shows a lot more vivacity which probably does help a lot.
No.240828
Anonymous
Replies:>>240984
>>238354
>>240826
>>240827
Wasn't Christopher Hasting (of Dr. McNinja fame) writing all of Gwenpool comics?
No.240984
Anonymous
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>>240828
Yes.
>http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/21/marvel-announces-gwenpool
>From barging into She-Hulk’s office to bonding with Howard The Duck, Gwenpool — the widely popular mash-up character who became an instant sensation after appearing on a Deadpool variant cover by Chris Bachalo — has certainly made an impact in the Marvel Universe. And this spring, she’ll join the roster of “unconventional superheroes” with her very own ongoing series.

>Written by Christopher Hastings and illustrated by Gurihiru, the Japanese art team composed of Chifuyu Sasaki a>nd Naoko Kawano (Thor, Captain America), Gwenpool will retain the original creative team that first brought the character to life through the Gwenpool holiday special. EW caught up with Hastings to talk about the fun of writing a Gwenpool series, and why the world should get ready to know the most awesome mercenary since Deadpool.

Is it bad that I want this? Because I want this.
No.240985
Anonymous
>>240984
I like her, she's got some of that Ambush Bug wall breaking knowledge and uses it for more than just quips like Deadpool. Also I like how she ended up with the name and suit.
No.240986
The Sneaky Tiki
>>240984
My only problem with her is the costume, I hate the uncovered legs.
No.240987
Anonymous
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>>240986
Least they made it a gag with the designer gong "NO PANTS".
No.240991
Anonymous
Replies:>>240992
>>240986
That's a problem with comics in general.
No.240992
The Sneaky Tiki
>>240991
Least Marvel costume don't make your eyes fucking bleed for 4 years running.
No.240994
Anonymous
Replies:>>240996
>>240390
>inhumans way cooler than mutants
Debatable.
No.240996
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>241007
>>240994
No, it's really not, The X-men are fucking incredibly lame by any comparison.
No.241005
Anonymous
So I recently got a subscription to Marvel Unmilinted and I was wondering if you guys had any recommendations for me. I've always been more of a DC guy so I haven't read much Marvel stuff.

So far I've read:
Cable & Deadpool
G.L.A.
Spider-Man Noir
Spider-Man Noir Eyes Without a Face
Moon-Knight (not sure what volume, but it was Bendis's run)
I've also read the first few issues of the current Ms. Marvel

So far I've enjoyed all of it. I'm open to just about any character or continuity so whatever you guys think is good feel free to recommend. My only preference is that the story (or story arc) is completed and that it isn't some big crossover event (I'd like to get to know the characters a bit more individually first).

I know there's tons of rec lists and stuff out there, I'm just wondering if anyone here has any specific suggestions. Whatever you think is good or 'mandatory reading.'
No.241006
Anonymous
Christopher Priest's runs on Black Panther and Deadpool, the Winter Soldier and Brubaker's subsequent run on Captain America, Planet Hulk, off the top of my head.
No.241007
Anonymous
Replies:>>241031
>>240996
And inhumans are, somehow, even worse
No.241031
The Sneaky Tiki
>>241007
As a continuation of my statement that makes no since, I said by any comparison as in to the Inhumans.
No.241501
Anonymous
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>>240984
This was quite a while ago, but I still think it's worth looking at.
http://marvel.com/news/comics/25597/gwenpool_embarks_on_unbelievable_adventures
>What’s a girl to do when she finds herself transported to a world she knows only from comics? Why, put on a pink-and-white costume, finds some weapons and treat the whole thing like a giant game. That’s the plan for the star of the April-launching UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL from Christopher Hastings and GuriHiru at least.

>The result of a themed cover month that saw Gwen Stacy dressed as various characters, the Deadpool take-off proved popular enough to earn back-up stories written by Hastings in HOWARD THE DUCK. Those spun out into the GWENPOOL SPECIAL that teamed Hastings up with Japanese artist team GuriHiru, individually known as Chifuyu Sasaki and Naoko Kawan. The crew now plans to chronicle this alternate reality adventurer as she makes her way through the Marvel Universe.

>Hastings talks about how Batroc the Leaper plays into the story, developing this character from back-ups to ongoing series, and how Gwen sees the world she now finds herself in
No.241858
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And what is tumblr on about now?
This I guess.
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And all I can think about is the Cyborg shower meme...

Thats the fucks I give.
No.241861
Anonymous
So are they angry or...?
Because that's not even a parody of them.
No.241862
Anonymous
>>241859
Its just. Weird.
"hurr durr tumblr likes racial segregation" is a common thing all over the information super highway but this just came out of nowhere.

Frickin comic writers with a chip on their shoulder, I guess.
>>241859
Now show how fucking pumped little brown kids would be to find out Spider-Man is brown like them and realize some goddamn perspective.
No.241866
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>241871
A kid like Miles would be treated as black no matter how much he talks about his Latino heritage; if anything, he’d be challenged on that for not looking “Hispanic enough”. He’d know enough about how cops treat black people to tense up whenever he sees a man in uniform. And he'd likely have enough life experience to know that, even if he doesn’t want to be “Black Spider-Man”, he will be anyway. He could pretend as if his difference—his race—doesn’t exist, but he’d know it would regardless.

The problem with those two pages lies in how the writers forgot to take all that into account so they could shove a ham-fisted “Why does race have to matter?” message into the story. (The fact that it looks like those pages are also taking a potshot at Marvel fans who asked for better POC representation doesn’t help.)
No.241867
Anonymous
Replies:>>241868
I for one am glad to see some attention being called out to the super creepy objectification of individuals based on their skin color.
No.241868
Anonymous
Replies:>>241873
>>241867
And for the sake of argument, are you white, or non-white?

Because I notice this page was written by Brian Michael Bendis, and most of the people who have this opinion seem to be white people who think the best way to deal with racism is to pretend it's over.
No.241870
Anonymous
Replies:>>241874
Different anon but I'm non-white and I think a lot of people on Tumblr do have a serious problem with overvaluing skin color to the detriment of their ability to see anything else, or holding it up as a cheap tactic to shut down debate. Don't agree with Bendis's take on it though, while I understand and slightly sympathize with him I disapprove of the way he's clearly strawmanning the opposing viewpoint rather than addressing it in a mature and reasonable fashion.
No.241871
Anonymous
>>241866
On the other hand it's possible it's his way of lashing out against the one-drop rule when it comes to mixed people with partial African ancestry, as more young people seem to be doing these days. Or matters regarding the way the "of color" label, for all that's well meant by it, tends to be reductive and reaffirm the whole white/nonwhite dichotomy that colonialism forced onto us in the first place, especially when used outside of a US-specific context, as well as white-passing people of color or particularly tan members of "white" groups.

I doubt Bendis actually understands or intends all or maybe even any of that, but there are legitimate points of contention buried in there that other people of color, myself included have found really frustrating about the way (mostly American) people on Tumblr discuss matters of race.
No.241872
Anonymous
Sorry for the triple posting but one thing I absolutely disagree with about these pages is Bendis's seeming anti-representation slant. Representation IS important, even if the way its advocates go about promoting it isn't necessarily the best, and while it would be nice if Miles was seen as something more than his race, we as a society simply aren't ready for that yet. And taking potshots at the need for representation in and of itself makes you sound like you're a coward afraid of any kind of social change, at the most charitable.
No.241873
Anonymous
>>241868

I'm non-white, and honestly I find it insulting that you need to ask me this question, as though an opinion from a black guy is more important than an opinion from a white guy. Out of curiosity, are you white, or non-white? Because I've found that the folks with the most over-developed "sensitivity" to race issues are whites.
No.241874
Sharkman Jhones
>>241870

If we're lucky...wait, this is Bendis, so prolly not, but in the right hands, I think this whole thing is pretty legit.

If anything, with zero context, I can actually kinda agree with it. I can see the possibility of somebody like Miles having the personal opinion of not wanting to be celebrated as black Spider Man, but just Spider Man. That ignores some of the real world context involved, having a new character take up an old mantle isn't new, but Miles was handled pretty well (I think,) way better than the time they tried to make 616 Fury black by creating a super complicated story involving an illegitimate son and just ugh...

(I'm Mexican, for the record.)

There's good and bad involved with wanting to focus on Spider Man's ethnicity, and in the right hands this could be a really cool and complicated issue for the characters to talk about. Other heroes or civilians could be on board with wanting to talk about it more and Miles and other characters disliking that.

That's if this gets handles with subtlety, though. Fem-Thor doesn't give me that confidence.
No.241875
Anonymous
Replies:>>241879
>>241873

I should also throw this out there, that while I don't "tense up whenever I sees a man in uniform" I certainly did some cringing at Mr. Stone's comments.
No.241876
Anonymous
Replies:>>241877
>>241873
>as though an opinion from a black guy is more important than an opinion from a white guy
Or more like people who gain the most benefit from the status quo have the most to gain from defending that status quo.
No.241877
Anonymous
Replies:>>241878
>>241876
In other words, a study funded by the tobacco industry that says tobacco doesn't hurt anyone doesn't mean as much as a study funded by someone who's been injured by tobacco use that says tobacco doesn't hurt anyone. This isn't some "offensive example of reverse racism," it's rhetorical common sense: a person with a personal stake in the argument who argues against the side that benefits them most is more relevant than a person arguing in favor of the position that they stand the most to benefit from personally. Not having to change their behavior most benefits people who already get as many benefits from the current situation as they will get after the situation changes.

Arguing that celebrating increased diversity in leading roles is racist or dehumanizing is, ultimately, an argument that increased diversity is not a thing that should be celebrated. Which is the same thing as arguing that there should be no incentive (in terms of positive reaction / increased sales) for doing it. Which is the same thing as arguing that, from a business perspective, there's no reason to do it, because change takes a greater investment of effort than doing something new.

And when someone who suffers from not doing something new (i.e. someone who gets fewer opportunities to be cast as the leads in major movies, or whose children have fewer examples of people with similar backgrounds to themselves as heroes and role models) argues that doing that new thing is valueless, it means more than when someone who gains nothing from doing something new (i.e. people who already have unlimited options in terms of role models and acting jobs).

So I'm sorry if it offends you that white people are being so hard done by, that people might think your opinion that benefits white people more than it benefits everyone else matters more coming from a non-white person than it does from a white person. But the fact that it offends you doesn't make it untrue or unfair. It's the same reason opinions on the best cures for period pain matter more when they come from people who have menstruated.
No.241878
Sharkman Jhones
>>241877

...Dude...calm down...Are you serious right now?

I get where you're coming from, I do...fact is, I kinda used to be you...but you are not proving a thing by acting this way. Who even brought up celebrities and movies? Who argued anything about the status quo versus doing something new and business practices? We're talking comics. Not even that, we're talking this specific comic that's bringing up emphasis on a character's race vs. the character being non-white being incidental.

Ganke even agrees with the girl We haven't seen how this will pan out. Maybe Miles will change his mind, maybe he'll be right, maybe it'll be closer to real life where the real answer is frankly hard to land on and depends on constantly changing context?

Or maybe Bendis (the creator of Miles Morales and writer of this specific comic, by the by) is dropping his politics into his writing hardcore again.

We don't know, and frankly the majority of the conversation so far doesn't warrant everything that you've suddenly dropped on our lap.
No.241879
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>241880
>>241875

>I certainly did some cringing at Mr. Stone's comments.

Yaaaaaaaaaay, now I’m a creepy dumbass white guy who doesn’t get race! I finally feel complete. (Half-joking here. I probably did take my generalizations a bit too far, and for that, I apologize. I’m white and I’m woefully inexperienced in regards to…well, most things, really.)
No.241880
Anonymous
Replies:>>241881
>>241879
Don't worry, the guy who said that is white too, he's just saying he's not to make his opinion seem more relevant.
No.241881
Anonymous
>>241880
Eh, black conservatives also exist and are surprisingly less uncommon than you'd think
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And is grandma gonna set him straight?
No.241888
Anonymous
Replies:>>241890
>>241885
What a GILF
No.241889
Anonymous
>>241885
She looks like an older version of White Tiger.
No.241890
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>241888
No.241893
Anonymous
Replies:>>241901
>>241885
Thigh Monster Grandma is casual hero gear. Okay who is she?

Also Miles you are now a dude in a Dōjinshi, what are you gonna do?

I mean I've seen this setup before.
No.241901
T4 was here
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>>241893
>Miles
>a dude in a Dōjinshi
Like Autumn Sakura's All-New Ultimates XXX parody?
No.241902
Anonymous
>>241901

Pretty much. His dad is just missing the sweat bullets of someone intimidated by the much stronger women in the house.
No.241906
Anonymous
Replies:>>241972
>>241885
What a strange place to put a Mary Jane Watson reference.
No.241972
Anonymous
>>241906
Just like the Dōjinshi
No.241998
T4 was here
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Fuck context!
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>>241998
FUCK IT!
No.242010
Anonymous
>>241999
Canadian Ice Ninjas yet no additional hockey theme. A missed opportunity for sure eh.
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No.242025
Anonymous
Replies:>>242026
Geebus... Arranged marriage?
I'd wanted to pick up the book, but that is just something I'm uncomfortable with.
No.242026
Anonymous
Replies:>>242028
>>242025
Actually the opposite(?).
The two want to get married and the families are meeting so they can get to know each other.
No.242027
Anonymous
>>242021
"Spares us the trouble of stoning her."
No.242028
Anonymous
>>242026
And they have to sell it to his family that it'll make him less of a jobless bum getting him married.

Oh and the Dune Fremen are what turned her onto Islam.
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Maybe a god can help.
No.242033
T4 was here
>>242032
But he may be busy right now.
http://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-loki-for-president/
No.242034
Anonymous
>>242021
Seems an awfully short time for them to be getting married seeing as they only seem to have been dating each other for a few months.
No.242037
Anonymous
>>242032
Maybe I should try that some time.
No.242215
T4 was here
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Glad Påsk!
No.242224
Anonymous
Replies:>>242273
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>>242215
Is it just me or does Spider-man get saddled with the most unhinged people in Marvel?

Good number of others get Mercs, Professional Killers, Career Criminals. Spider-Man its Experiments gone wrong and "You know, I think I'll wear spandex today, go a little insane and rob a bank." and maybe a handful of actual criminals.

Marvel goes into the Spider-man films again they should include some of his bottom level Batshit foes.

Also that costume is scary.
No.242273
Anonymous
Replies:>>242274
>>242224
The Human Wall please. Otherwise, this is cringeworthy.
No.242274
Anonymous
>>242273
Styx and Stone
No.242341
Anonymous
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Kaiju of Freedom.
No.242342
Anonymous
>>242341

A Mountain of Liberty coming to free the shit out of you.
No.242344
Anonymous
>>242341
>American Kaiju is being used as the villain
>AIMvengers built some shitty generic robot with a PR-knockoff control system
>Didn't bring back Red Ronin for this
2/10
No.242345
Anonymous
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>>242341
>not including Avenger Five
Come on.
No.242346
Anonymous
>>242345
>AIMvengers built some shitty generic robot with a PR-knockoff control system
No.242349
Anonymous
Replies:>>242350
They listed all the shit they mixed into the "Devils Brew" Serum. Gamma Tech, Super Solider derivatives from a number of sources, Curt Conners Reptile formula.

Also I want someone to drop "You fools, Zilla isn't supposed to be a hero." And he just Stars and Stripes Gamma Blasts that mech in half.
No.242350
Anonymous
>>242349
Honestly it makes more sense than spending so much time and resources just trying to recreate the circumstances to recreate another Captain America-type soldier.

The results of the original 616 Super Soldier serum is pretty weak in the modern Marvel world, where criminals with labs set up in back alleys of major cities can give you far superior superhuman strength and durability with no downsides.

If Marvel writers finally dropped the reoccurring plotline of people trying to make a Cap knockoff when they already have greater means of manufactring superhumans available to them that would be a positive change
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A cross over I want to see.
No.242504
TethandHunger
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Two great pages came out today. Maybe you've seen them.
No.242505
TeethandHunger
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No.242506
Anonymous
Replies:>>242507
>>242505
>Spidey-pool
Holy shit. Where's this from?
No.242507
TeethandHunger
>>242506

Spider-Man/Deadpool #4

It's was storytimed on normal /co/. Look for it in catalog, it should still be there.
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Jumpman
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T4 was here
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No.242578
Jumpman
Replies:>>242582
>>242524
Source?
No.242582
T4 was here
>>242578
Captain America #8
https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6142871.html#cutid1
No.242633
T4 was here
>>242021
>8
Context found.
https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6161211.html#cutid1
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Jumpman
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/ta-nehisi-coates-black-panther-is-this-year-s-best-selling-comic-a7036596.html
No.242917
Anonymous
So according to the new Captain America spoilers, Steve Rogers was always secretly a member of HYDRA. How long do you think it'll take for them to walk this one back like they did with "Captain America's death" those years ago?
No.242918
T4 was here
>>242917
A year or so.
No.242920
Anonymous
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>>242917
I've gotten real sick of people giving Marvel or DC their money
No.242921
Anonymous
>>242917
That is really really dumb
No.242925
Anonymous
Replies:>>242926
>>242917

I assume it's just a twist for this particular storyline. It's set up to make you go "WHAAAA, Steven can't be BLANK! I gotta see where they're going with this!"

It seems like such an obvious hook I don't really understand how people can be taking it at face value.
No.242926
Anonymous
Replies:>>242932
>>242925
Because people like to hastily stroke their hate boners.
No.242929
Anonymous
Replies:>>242931
holy shit comics are dumb.
why do i spend my entire salary on them
No.242931
T4 was here
>>242929
Then I have good news for you!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/new-comixology-unlimited-service-lets-you-read-much-you-want
No.242932
Anonymous
Replies:>>242933
>>242926
No. Decrying dishonest marketing gimmicks and poor writing in a product is a legitimate complaint. The majority of Big 2 comics suffering from those issues is just an unfortunate reality.
No.242933
Anonymous
Replies:>>242934
>>242932
This. Big 2 are essentially running soap operas, with editorial supervision by people who only know their writing chops from comic books they read growing up.
No.242934
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>242946
>>242933

Well it's not as if the Big Two can just, y'know, put a complete end to characters like Superman and Iron Man.
No.242946
rasputin_zero !!e9Z+3lbULwW
Replies:>>242949
>>242934
That's kind of the problem, though, isn't it? All of these characters are so leadenly iconic that they're doomed to spin in narrative circles until the heat death of the universe. There's no beginning, no middle, no satisfying finale, they're just there. It's why I just can't get into superhero comics at all, there might be the occasional serial that you can pluck out and stuff in a trade paperback and it's brilliant, but then it segues into more of the endless morass the rest of the company is putting out and you're essentially robbed of a proper ending to the story you just read.

I think we could do with a completely new comics universe that's much more manageable in scale - new characters to follow, new worlds to sink one's teeth into, something that isn't earnestly trying to get me deeply interested in the cultural significance of fictional totems that are older than my dad. Valiant Comics made a valiant (heh) effort back in the day, but what the Big Two could really do with right now is some proper competition.
No.242949
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>242946

Speaking of that sort of thing: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/25/guys-captain-america-is-going-to-be-okay

I get that I link to BMD a lot. More than is probably necessary, in fact. But their editorial staff generally produces some Good Reads™, even if I don't agree with them all the time. And I like to share thought-provoking stuff. For nerdery like comics and comic-based films, stuff from BMD as of late is provoking thoughts that I can later turn into my own cohesive opinions. I spent my twenties being a lazy ass; forgive me for “borrowing opinions” every once in a while while I work out my own.
No.242952
Anonymous
I never expect it to last. I just think it's a really cynical attempt to drum up controversy for the sake of attention and hopefully sales, except it's so stupid that it's only going to alienate people more than win them over.
No.242956
Anonymous
From the writer of Cassiopeia Quinn:

>I wonder how all those angry people would react to the 1965 story where he switched sides in the war and the Red Skull introduced him to Hitler. Or that 1979 one where he joined a white supremacist organization. Or even the 1975 arc where he was so fed up with Nixon he quit Captaining for America altogether 'cause it wasn't worth doing.

>Crazy plot developments happen in superhero comic books, is what I'm saying. If you actually want to get angry at 'em, you'll never have time for anything else. Besides, you could be reading cool non-superhero comics like Dreaming Eagles or Monstress if that kinda thing bothers you so much!
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Jumpman
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No.242961
Anonymous
Whole lotta people on Tumblr are calling it anti-Semitic right now. It's stupid but I don't think that's the term I'd use to describe it.
No.242963
Anonymous
>>242956
>From the writer of Cassiopeia Quinn
Who?
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Anonymous
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>>242961

They gotta have that moral justificism so they can send Nick death threats over Twitter about a fictional character.

I'm glad he's taking it all like a champ, remaining completely irreverent. Dude was great on Superior Foes of Spider-Man, I look forward to where this wild ride takes us.
No.242965
Anonymous
>>242956
>you could be reading cool non-superhero comics [...] if that kinda thing bothers you so much!

That is just the weakest, pissbaby response to criticism there is. Especially for something mainstream. I'm kind of amazed people still use it in This Our Current Year.
No.242966
Anonymous
Replies:>>242974
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/captain-america-writer-nick-spencer-why-i-turned-steve-rogers-into-a-supervillain.html

>There’s a lot of uproar online about how this storyline insults the legacies of Captain America’s Jewish creators, Jack Kirby and Joe Simon.

>Look, everybody who’s working on this story loves Captain America. I know that it may not seem like it today. But this book is edited by Tom Brevoort, who has been protecting this character’s legacy for a very long time now. He’s not gonna let me do anything that he thinks is going to endanger that character’s legacy and how the character is perceived. It’s always difficult when you’re at this point in a story, because you don’t just wanna tell people, “Everything’s gonna work out great!” Because that certainly may not be the case here. But what I think I can say with confidence is that with this story, our intention and our hope is that in its own unique way, it reinforces what everybody already knows about Captain America, which is his power as a symbol and what that means. We are approaching it from a different angle, but I think it illuminates the character in a way that we’ve never seen before.

>It’s always tough. The eternal divide is the reader wants the character to succeed, to be happy, to win. Our job is often to put the characters through things and that can often be mistaken for a lack of respect or care for the character. It’s just the reality of what draws people into these stories, whether you realize it or not, and this is going to be a major test for a lot of characters in the Marvel universe.
No.242967
Anonymous
Looks like Nick Spencer's getting the Joss Whedon treatment on Tumblr right now. Shitty marketing ploy or not they're literally too stupid to do anything than take it at face value and can't understand the existence of the long game.
No.242968
Anonymous
>>242961
Wasn't that the guy who they used to worship because of Black Captain America and attacking anti-migrant hysteria to the point Fox News got on his ass? The comic that basically spent its recent chapters dismantling right-wing Trump populism? And now they're calling him a rightwinger because of it? Have they really lost all sense of perspective?
No.242969
Anonymous
Replies:>>242970
I would've thought Tumblr would like this twist, considering how gung ho a big portion of them are about "see I told you, white men bad, black men good".
No.242970
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>242969

One, that's a horrible generalization. Two, Tumblr users making horrible generalizations doesn’t excuse you from the shittiness of yours. Three, I’m pretty sure most people know this will eventually be retconned/done away with. But at a time where Captain America is one of the most recognizable superheroes in pop culture (thanks MCU!), “Steve Rogers is a Nazi sleeper agent” feels like a cheap ploy for attention and book sales. (And yes, I know they’ve run stories like that in the past.) I’m amazed at how Marvel thought people would accept this idea with open arms and critical acclaim.

I can’t imagine the rest of this run doing well in sales after the reception to that issue.
No.242973
Anonymous
>>242970
Also making Red Skull spout Nationalist talking points just makes it all seem akward that for some reason Red Skull is right instead of condemning Nationalist leaders.
No.242974
Anonymous
Replies:>>242976
>>242970

None of the people who are angry have ever even touched a Captain America comic, so I wouldn't count on the "outrage" actually impacting sales. I wasn't aware that story hooks were "cheap ploys," but Nick Spencer said in the interview here>>242966 that he fully expected to shock and outrage some people, and so did Marvel's staff, so they weren't expecting people to "accept" it with open arms. It's a story hook.

>>242973
Red Skull's scene was for recruiting members for Hydra. Spencer said in the interview he did his research when constructing this scene. Red Skull was saying what leaders of "nationalist" groups say when they try to recruit new people, particularly in areas of poverty or low education, and this is to go to explain how Hydra seems to have a seemingly inexhaustible supply of people working for it.

If you think the Red Skull and Nationalism is right, you're the prime kind of person Hydra (or the real-world equivalents, American Renaissance, American Freedom Party, Creativity Alliance, Hammerskins, National Alliance, Pacifica Forum, and many others) would recruit for their cause. At least here you can say you were "red pilled by Red Skull" amirite.
No.242975
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>242973

Someone on Tumblr pointed out a good reason why HYDRA would never have chosen a pre-serum Cap or his mother for recruitment: in the 1920s, being Irish and unhealthy during a time when eugenics was a popular idea—popular enough in the US for Hitler to use it as justification for his “perfect Aryan race” ideals—and the Irish were a legitimately hated ethnic group would’ve made HYDRA pass on both Steve and his mother. The writing ignores the historical context of the era in which HYDRA would’ve recruited Steve and Sarah Rogers.

And don’t forget how Captain America being part of HYDRA spits in the face of decades of continuity that shows Cap as a good, honest man. We’re talking about a man who once lifted Thor’s hammer, something that can only be done by those deemed “worthy” to lift it. Does the HYDRA reveal now mean Mjolnir considers a Nazi sleeper agent as worthy of lifting a god’s weapon?
No.242976
Anonymous
>>242974

Red Skull is using points raised by European Nationalists who are in a refugee/invasion crisis. Which is why it doesn't come off as a good condemning of that as it would otherwise. Because there is a real crisis going on an those opinions are front center of peoples minds and for some reason there appears to me no political middle ground on this issue.

So we don't have a hero giving a more moderate tone to what Red Skull says just the opposite saying "Its not a problem, shut up."
No.242977
T4 was here
Replies:>>242978
Also rememmber this: https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4774963.html?thread=151833139
No.242978
T4 was here
>>242977
And http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/14/retconning-the-snap-wilson-retcon-in-all-new-captain-america/
No.242979
Anonymous
Replies:>>242980
I'm willing to bet it has something to do with Red Skull hijacking Kobik's power to rewrite the past to suit his narrative, rather than an actual retcon.
No.242980
T4 was here
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>>242979
Is that not like basicly the same thing?

Anyway, back to fun!
No.242981
Anonymous
>>242980
Squirrel Girl is so great. Gah, if only the art wasn't so offputting.
No.242982
T4 was here
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And here is another weapon agains the lastest hashtag.
No.242983
rasputin_zero !!e9Z+3lbULwW
Replies:>>242984
>>242982
"Weapon against the hashtag"? The fuck? The Marvel editorial team can fight its own damn battles, thank you very much.
No.242984
Anonymous
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>>242983
But don't you see, we must FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT or the SJWs will win!
No.242985
Anonymous
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>>242984

How about we just make fun of stupid angry people like we've always done?
No.242986
Anonymous
>>242985
Okay.

lol people who got pissed about steve getting a boyfriend were dumb.
No.242987
Anonymous
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>>242986

I agree, they were. Just as dumb as the people who got angry about Steve being a double agent.
No.242988
Anonymous
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>>242987
No.242989
Anonymous
>>242986
Wait what?
No.242990
Anonymous
>>242989
Twitter thing. Marvel said there would be a Cap reveal. People wanted it to be "He likes men, too."
Completely harmless in my opinion, but it did draw quite a fair amount of rage from people.

Several of whom I personally know that tell people to suck up the whole Hail Hydra thing, so it just rings a little hollow anytime anyone's mad about Paper Soap Operas, hence the chip on my shoulder about it.
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>>242989
Probably the whole #Give Captain America A Boyfriend thing.
Mostly dumb but benign shipping bullshit. Hardly the worst thing that could happen to him.
No.243001
Anonymous
Turns out too be too wrong and a problem. LMD, Clone or Brainwashed Sap.
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Meanwhile Iron-man is being awesome.
No.243008
Anonymous
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>>243007

Tony Stark confirmed for best Iron Dad.
No.243011
Anonymous
>>243007
Oh my god that's so sweet.
No.243019
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>243007
>>243008

Dammit, Tony, why you gotta be so good with kids and then be a raging asshole in virtually any other situation?
No.243021
Alpharius on the move
Replies:>>243033
I'm pleased to hear 'cap joining Hydra. But I'm doubtful that its gonna last long or eplore it in any meaningful way.
No.243033
Anonymous
>>243021
Probably would be more compelling and less reactive if HYDRA was more like COBRA or even Dr.Doom and were benevolent Fascist Dictators
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Now heres a show down for the movies!
No.243194
Anonymous
>>243192
Why does Loki look like Nicholas Cage?
No.243196
Anonymous
Replies:>>243351
>>243192
President Loki in the MCU. Sounds like a plan.
No.243351
T4 was here
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>>243196
And its going places.
https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6305256.html#cutid1
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>>243351
No.243353
T4 was here
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>>243352
No.243354
Anonymous
>>243352
>>243353
What is wrong with their faces?
No.243375
Snes !v68zTeBMI.
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>>243352
>>243353
So is Loki their attempt to parody Trump by creating a presidential candidate that seems laughably unelectable yet inexplicably has enough support to pull off a legitimate win?
No.243377
T4 was here
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>>243375
I guess...
Just that Loki is doing for the "lulz"/is working on something and not because he's mad a mexicans.
No.243379
Anonymous
>>243377
Well I doubt Trump actually believes most of what he says beyond its ability to ingratiate himself with certain sectors of the voting population either, but that's enough talk from me.
No.243389
Anonymous
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I just want to see President Loki give crazy off the wall missions to the USAvengers
No.243390
Anonymous
Replies:>>243398
>>243389

Agreed. I'm just sad knowing it'll never happen.

Still, Golden Skull showing up is going to be fucking baller.
No.243392
Anonymous
Replies:>>243398
>>243389
Does Red Hulk' s design remind anyone else of Mike Haggar?
No.243393
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>243389

Dat Squirrel Girl. So much ❤.
No.243398
Anonymous
>>243390
Eh maybe they'll go through with it. Lex was President over in DC for a while and his Specials Squaddy comic was pretty baller.

>>243392
Yea.
No.243400
Alpharius
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I want the Hulk frees Tibet so badly.
No.243402
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>243400

>Punisher vs The Purge

Holy fucking shit. HOW THE FUCK DOES MARVEL NOT HAVE THIS OUT ALREADY.
No.243403
Anonymous
>>243400
China's gonna go berserk at that one.
No.243406
T4 was here
>>243402
Wasnt that just The Purge Two?
No.243430
Minifig
Replies:>>243431
Why the gosh-darned heck is nobody talking about this?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-announces-release-for-genndy-tartakovskys-cage
No.243431
Anonymous
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>>243430
>http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-announces-release-for-genndy-tartakovskys-cage

Always love his art.
No.243434
Jumpman
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/09/now-breitbart-shows-it-doesnt-know-how-comics-work/

No surprise that Breitbart is awful.
No.243440
Mister Twister
>>243431
Almost didn't recognize the man's hand.
No.243487
TeethandHunger
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Spider-Man/Deadpool Retro issue. One of the best comics out there.
No.243505
Jumpman
>>243487
Damn. That looks awesome. Captured the style perfectly.
No.243519
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>243914

She’s in Future Fight now, too.
No.243916
Anonymous
Replies:>>243917
>>243915
>>243914
She looks great when Henderson's not drawing her.
No.243917
Anonymous
>>243916
Also looks generic af of course.
No.243918
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>243917

I’ll take “generic af” over “beaten with the ugly stick every day since birth”.
No.243919
Anonymous
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Could she work in that part.
No.243920
Anonymous
>>243917
At least she looks human. When goddamn Captain America comes out looking like a shriveled up ayylmao then you've got problems.
No.243921
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>243922
>>243919

Actually, I’ve heard a lot of recent calls for her to land the Squirrel Girl part should Marvel ever cast it.
No.243922
Anonymous
>>243921
GLA could work great as a lighter note Netflix show. Very much Middleman, which I still miss terribly.
No.243923
Anonymous
>>243918
Which rather explains the shitty same-ness of art and character design in modern comics pretty succinctly. And to think comics nerds tend to be the biggest critics of moefication.
No.243924
Anonymous
>>243923
Yup. Its basically taking a pretty deliberate editorial and art direction at surface value.
No.243926
Anonymous
Replies:>>243930
>>243923

Yes, boo people for not liking ugly things. Truly they have ruined modern comics.
No.243928
Anonymous
Moongirl and Devil Dinosaur pulls off a similar style with way better results. Even if the overall style is intentional that doesn't really excuse the extremely poorly drawn faces which actually hurt the quality of the comic due to their inability to carry the story through.
No.243929
Anonymous
>>243923
Since when were comic nerds not totally for more moe
No.243930
Anonymous
Replies:>>243932
>>243926
Not liking it is one thing. THIS on the other hand...
No.243932
Anonymous
>>243930

THIS on the other hand... what? What? Are you saying Squirrel Girl shouldn't be cute in the game? Because she's been drawn cute before. She's been drawn cute a whole hell of a lot more often than she's been drawn ugly. Furthermore her comic where she IS drawn ugly doesn't exactly sell well, so if you were thinking it was going to be the "definitive take" on the character than I think you need a reality check, bucko.
No.243933
Anonymous
>>243932
>Furthermore her comic where she IS drawn ugly
You mean her original appearance as drawn by Steve Ditko?
No.243935
Anonymous
>>243932
>Furthermore her comic where she IS drawn ugly doesn't exactly sell well

Among its target demographic (women and younger audiences), it's selling better than just about anything that isn't manga.
No.243936
Anonymous
>>243935
That's not actually saying all that much though
No.243941
Anonymous
Replies:>>243943
>>243935

>APRIL: 119 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 7 $3.99 Marvel 17,869
>MAY: 140 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 8 $3.99 Marvel 15,131
>JUNE: 147 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 9 $3.99 Marvel 14,692
>JULY: 157 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 10 $3.99 Marvel 14,590

oh yes, what a sales powerhouse. It's giving Hyperion and Web Warriors a real run for its money. Admittedly it is selling better than Patsy Walker Hellcat, for whatever that's worth.
No.243942
Anonymous
>>243932
For me it's not about Squirrel Girl being cute or ugly, it's about EVERYONE in that book being ugly. The writing is the main selling point for it, unfortunately it's also the ONLY selling point because of the art.
No.243943
Anonymous
>>243941
Those figures have nothing to do with my statement, since they're recording all purchases rather than purchases by women and youths.
No.243951
Anonymous
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For what it's worth the next issue of Squirrel Girl has a guest artist who sticks to the same general style of the main artist, including Doreen's "nonconventional" looks, but it it's enough to make it look miles better.
No.243956
Anonymous
>>243951

Doctor Octopus is dead and/or a robot right now, though.
No.244021
Anonymous
Feels like Marvel wants to do similar with Peter and Miles as DC has tried to setup between Ted and Jaime and just fade Peter into a more mentor role. Problem with that it doesn't matter how fond you are of your new pet people still know Spider-Man as Peter Parker. Not Miles.

They've pushed that kid into so many places and I've not see much a response other than "oh its Miles."

In the Ms.Marvel comics they looked to give him a more SCIENCE bent that they usually only touch with peter every one in a blue moon. That could be his thing if he'd ever be written well and consistently.