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Good god, those thighs. Merciful mother of christ, I want to get between those delicious thighs!

>no feet

Meh, I guess it's okay.

Is it me or does her left arm look kind of off?

>>231610
Mmmno. They all seem adequately proportioned and don't clash with the rest of the picture.
Any specifcs on that 'off'ness, anon?

>>231698
>looking forward to the movie
Calling bullshit here. Nobody can say with seriousness that they're looking forward to it.

>>231722
I'm gonna let go of my fanboy zeal and say I'm actually looking forward to it.
If anything, because I'm curious to see what they're doing - since its clearly not a retread of the previous movies nor the comics.

//youtube.com/watch?v=qgZcxdI0Yqk
Thats surprisingly accurate.

Jesus, but yeah the coloring REEEEEEALLY ISN'T HELPING

>>231801
Even bottom left squirrel looks kinda fucked.

All this time I heard that Gerard Way was a comic book writer I was sure it was just another guy with the same name. Then I actually looked it up and sure enough it's WHEN I WAS guy.

What.

Is he actually any good?

>231824
He is. Check Umbrella Academy, it's fantastic.

>>231875

Yeah, saw that alt cover back when the series was first announced. I like that style much better than the actual in-comic style because it’s not godawfully ugly.

Why doesn't she have her eye marks

and cleavage (her older costume was better than the more clothing based one)

>>231879

I’m never been a fan of the eye marks, so I have no problem with those being gone. As for the new outfit, I actually like it a little better than the old one—and if they stick with her backstory of being a runaway teenager who ended up in Central Park (because she wanted to fight crime in NYC), a clothing-based costume makes far more sense than the (presumably) spandex-based outfits she’s worn in the past.

>>231879
I hate those eye marks because they made her look like a literal clown. Clowns are horrible. Squirrel Girl isn't (or shouldn't be).

>>231801
I've gotta disagree on Hawkeye. He looks like a withered old man. It's a shame because I see what they're going for, but god. Awful, awful art.

Also I don't mind the eye marks being gone. I always thought they were a strange addition

Which version of Bruce Banner do you prefer:

Tortured intelligent soul who must live with the destructive brute within him

or

A completely egotistical ponce who's an even bigger jerk than the jade rage monster he transforms into?

>>231920
First one, the second one is kind of edgy tryhard and EASY MODO writing. Although the first one can take some concepts of the second one, but without going overboard.

>>231920
Both at the same time.

>>231935
A man fighting aginst somethining that only gets worse because he fights.

>>231936
Bipartisanship?

>>231944
Could be right, Banner/Hulk were strongest when they were united in a cause back in World War Hulk.

>>231950
Do people just not remember 90s era Smart Hulk anymore?

>>231951
He's one of my favorite ones.
Also, motherfuckin' Maestro.

>>231951
You mean Peter David's Hulk?

So Magneto isn't Pietro and Wanda's Dad anymore.

Because movies I guess.

>>231968
Do elaborate.

>>231971
Wow, that's really lame. Anything about Polaris or is she gonna get retconned around?

>>231971
That is SO obviously to untangle them from the X-men for the upcoming movies.

>>231968
I bet it'll be retconned back once they can't figure out how to use the two for the MCU anymore.

>>231977
Well if it's undoing something Byrne did then it's obviously an excellent idea.

>>231983
Carnage is currently trying to be a hero, as per the whole hero-villain switcheroo thing going on.

"Trying" being the key word. Since he was a bloodthirsty maniac even before the symbiote, he has no idea of how to go about this hero thing. THEY CAN'T ROB THE BANK IF HE BURNS IT DOWN FIRST!

I'm seeing all sorts of complaints about how AXIS is racist for painting minorities as evil and white people as heroic. Am I just too daft or do I need to start unfollowing some overly sensitive people?

>>231996
Cultural context is totally a thing.
You're completely free to unfollow whoever you like but truth be told, there is some validity in those complaints.

>>231996
Most of the bawwing I'm seeing is over the Quicksilver and Wanda retcon. I'm kinda torn. It's painfully obvious it's being done for the sake of the movies which is really disappointing, and them turning out to be Inhumans is the last explanation I want after mutanthood. At the same time them being part of Magneto's family tree is as much of a burden as it is interesting, and it makes Polaris being his daughter that less egregious.

>>232002
Have you watched Agents of SHIELD? That may have been actually what Feige was talking about regarding them.

>>232002
>them turning out to be Inhumans is the last explanation I want after mutanthood

You know what would have made a ton of sense? Retconning them into being New Men.
The High Evolutionary is even indisputably Marvel movie wise because he's out of Thor.

>>232009
Makes sense, the High Evolutionary is a big part of their backstory anyway with the cow lady.

I'm REALLY hoping Hobgoblin stays a hero for as long as possible.

>>232009
I think they're changing their backstories to be empowered by the Infinity Stones. Makes sense from a certain standpoint I guess, Quicksilver's ability is to rapidly shift his location in Space while Scarlet Witch has the power to manipulate things with her Mind.

>>232124
Hmm more buttons and snaps. Wasn't she supposed to join up in a team with Spider-Gwen or something.

>>232124
oh jeez that's bad.

>>232124
I'm not a big fa of it but honestly anything is a step up from her old costume.

>>232127
That particular piece of art is pretty terrible but I'm glad they ditched the stupid eye-shield thingies of the original. Now if only they could restore Wiccan's old costume from his current abomination.

>>232128
Call me a bad feminist but I actually don't have a problem with superhero costumes being sexy as long as they're not ugly looking or extreme like Star Sapphire's. I'm glad they're changing Drew's because it was pretty ugly, but stuff like Ms. Marvel's leotard-sash or the Scarlet Witch were perfectly fine. I do have a feeling it's preparation for Spider-Woman possibly being in the MCU down the line though.

>>232131
Scarlet Witch is fine, but Ms. Marvel had one of the most boring costumes in comics. It was bad without any notion of feminism. Spider-Woman was the same.

>>232124
I like it.

>>232131
Nothing in that paragraph makes you a bad feminist, dude.

That said, yeah its rad!
Its sorta what this age requires out of superhero costumes. Practicality, and screen-readiness.
Skintight spandex - lazy design passing as "genre clothes" doesn't really have as much a place this day and age.

>>232142
Quicksilver really should have had a haircut. Scarlett Witch I think looks a lot like her Evolution getup.

>>232144
Didn't the X-Men Evolution guys work on Thor 2? Because man that movie was a hot mess with maybe a handful of good scenes and lines sprinkled throughout.

>>232145
Christopher Yost wrote on X-Men Evolution and Thor 2, yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Yost

>>232145
Still better than Thor 1 at least.

>>232124
The costume is decent but jesus christ that picture is an even worse offender anatomy-wise than the Manara QUALITYfest it was meant to rebuke.

>>232275
He looks like something from Metal Gear Revengeance crossed with a Jojo Stand.

To anyone that wonders why Marvel keeps killing and bring back its heroes.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-85907

>Peter Parker‘s return as Spider-Man, after nearly a year and a half away, gave Marvel Comics the top-selling comic book of 2014, according to the primary distributor of comic books in North America.

...

>Marvel, home to the Avengers and the X-Men in addition to Spider-Man, was 2014′s top-selling publisher in the comic-book specialty market, Diamond said, with about a 34% market share in terms of dollars and about a 37% share in terms of units sold

Rocket Raccoon was one of the top-selling comics, so that's cool.

>>232418
I really can't figure out what's wrong with Comic fans.

>>232420
Missed by inches.

GODDAMNIT

Fuck Slott.

I hate to come wandering in begging questions, but I've been out of the loop with Marvel for a while now and am kinda interested in keeping up with Spider-Gwen's story. So far the only thing she's been in is Edge of Spiderverse #2, and then her own series starts in April, yeah? Or am I missing stuff?

>>232423
>>232428
All right, what now?

>>232635
Tell me Marvel how well does this idea usually work for DC?

>>232635
Didn't they sort of do this a year or so ago with Ultimate ending?

Also Slott has caused me to become completly numb and uncaring to any and everything Marvel writes these days. I want to like it again, I want to read again, I want to experiance the roll reversal stuff they're doing in the current event, but I'm not about to crawl back on my hands and knees. It's an abusive relationship.

>>232635
I'm fine with the Ultimate Universe going away sans Miles but why get rid of the other universes too? That was one of their advantages over DC.

>>232642
MarvelXOne Piece.

Inhumans basically breathe vaporized Devil Fruits, yo.

>>232640
50 years of outdated and mostly irrelevant stories are not an advantage.

The advantage Marvel had was that other than ones specific to characters, like Teen Tony or the Spider-Marriage, they didn't do terrible stories about their continuity and changing it.

Reboots are good and often necessary. Marvel needs one. But where comics always fucks them up is thinking there needs to be a story that gives an in-continuity explanation for the reboot. Every DC hero's life is different because Barry Allen is a momma's boy. The Earth-3 Lex Luthor was messing with reality and it changed who killed Batman's parents. Spider-Man isn't married because he made a deal with the devil to save his elderly aunt. They try to have it both ways. Rebooting but doing a story that makes it clear everything still happened and these are the same characters you've always been reading. There wasn't a movie about how the Sam Raimi Spider-Man became the Amazing Spider-Man. The first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold wasn't about what happened to Batman: The Animated Series.

>>232651
If they get rid of Spider-Girl I'm going to be fucking pissed.

>>232652
They've already murdered her parents and possibly set up her brother to get eaten by monster men.

They've gotten rid of her in the ways that matter most, by destroying her life. A May dealing with everyone she knows dead or gone forever isn't the same character she was before.

>>232651
I'd say a willingness to have entirely separate universes, like the Ultimate one, that don't "collide" with each other, is exactly what allows them to avoid a lot of needless in-continuity explanations.

>>232651
Having a bajillion separate universes and not really caring is what lets them experiment with stuff like Marvel 1602 without having to worry about causing problems in the main continuity like they did with a set number of Earth-1 and Earth-2s and so on like DC had.

>>232654
It's not the real Mayday though. Defaclo and Frenz implied that pretty heavily in today's Spiderverse.

>>232807
The Thing looks like he's made out of Fruty Pebbles.

>>232812
I guess that's what they meant by gritty reboot

Is there a worse character than Silk?

>>232883
I just couldn't find a picture that looked brain dead enough.

>>232883
Google image seach failed me...

So where is it from?

>>232907
>(C84) [Hamanasu Chaya (Hamanasu)] B=Witch! (Little Witch Academia) [English] [Risette]

http://exhentai.org/g/622285/e5d150312c/

>>232908
Thx Q~

>>232941
Yeah, gonna need something more reliable as a source.

>>232942
Just ignore them.

Open your eyes and put up your dukes:

https://vid.me/yltf

>>233005
If that's not an edit I hate Deadpool even fucking more than before now.
Well, lucky them they take their jobs as mods friggin seriously now, or Marvel would indirectly advert cheese pizza.

Now that would be hilarious.

>>233011
4chan was already mentioned in Popular Mechanics.

>>233012
Also mentioned twice Avengers Academy.

>>233040
And way back in Ultimate Armor Wars.

>>233073
eseeeeeh

>>233073
The change in design itself, I like. But yeah it seriously needs a change of artist. Aside from the top right panel (which is just styled enough to look like Steven Universe fanart) it's a parade of QUALITY and weak coloring.

>>233075
Like I know the red is to show it's an alarming situation but the colors are all muted and then BIG FUCKING RED panel to completely destroy the composition.

>>233073
>even if this was just someones webcomic the art would still be below average.
I think maybe you haven't read many webcomics. Like maybe you only read the webcomics that are popular, so you're thinking "average" for webcomics art is a considerably higher bar than it is. There are a lot more xkcds than there are Unsoundeds.

>>233077
My bar is Girl Genius for just barely above terrible average webcomic art and it's definitely worse art than Girl Genius.

>>233078
(the actual drawings being right around the same but goddamn Squirrel Girl's art is way worse in terms of coloring.)

>>233078
Man, Girl Genius, as awkward and goofy as the art can be, is SO far above "average" for webcomics. Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff is probably closer to average than Girl Genius is.

It does seem pretty amateurish for a big name company like Marvel.
Id expect this quality out of a mediocre weekly webcomic.

>>233080
We're not talking about story, we're talking about art, everyone knows GG is great with mediocre art.

>>233081
Exactly.

>>233082
>We're not talking about story, we're talking about art, everyone knows GG is great with mediocre art.
I *am* talking about art. You seem to be basing what you consider "average" art not on "average for webcomics" but on "average among webcomics that have art that is better than a certain arbitrarily defined threshold." Like I said, Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff is closer to average among webcomic art than Girl Genius is. As crappy as GG's art is, it is well above average.

So would you rather people just say the art for that SG comic is complete shit.

Do they expect people to pay for such a thing?

>>233073
Wow that art is just. Terrible. Seriously who approved this? That strange cleft lip/Stallone combo is just so incredibly off-putting.

>>233073
When I draw like that, people fucking hate me and troll me so hard that I delete all my shit.
When Marvel draws like that, people buy it and the artist get paid. Damn this world.

Also, after seeing that page I came to the conclusion that it's kinda interesting to have the first down-syndrome superheroine.

>>233100
>When I draw like that, people fucking hate me and troll me so hard that I delete all my shit.
>When Marvel draws like that, people buy it and the artist get paid. Damn this world.

The lesson you should be taking from this is to stop listening to the internet's opinion about your work and seek validation from within. You can sell comics that look like this to people, too, if you work at it. Stop giving up just because the internet loves shitting on things even if they happily throw money at it.

>>233107
No, it proves something else. Actual quality does not define success.

Honestly I have started to gain a slight disdain for anyone that pays Marvel for their comics, especially when some of the writers go out of their way to openly shit on you.

>>233109
Shit like most Marvel shows. Especially Hulk Smash Squad.

>>233107
This.

>>233109
>Actual quality does not define success.
I'm not saying I love the art on the comic, but its a look they're deliberately going for. At that point, quality is entirely subjective.

>>233114
Style is not an excuse for bad art. I can understand willful stylization but in this case it just looks like the artist is incompetent when it comes to anatomy (lopsided faces, oddly located features such as the nose being parallel to the eyes rather than below them, general wall-eye, misshapen lips with folds where they shouldn't exist, bizarre and inconsistent proportions). If the artist drew consistently good work beforehand or made it clear that the art problems were an intentional choice to convey some point then sure, but so far it just looks like they don't know how to draw.

>>233119
If you spend much time learning to draw, you learn to recognize certain things in other people's art that makes it obvious when someone's doing something because they don't know better and when they're doing it because that's what they wanted to do. Based on what I know of drawing, I agree with>>233114. The art in this comic doesn't look like someone who doesn't know what they're doing. It looks like someone who is intentionally choosing to draw in a way that runs counter to the usual rules of appealing art. Now why they're trying to do that, I can't say. But it definitely looks like something they're doing on purpose.

>>233120
Yea, it looks like the artist has reached the "know the rules well enough to break them" but hasn't yet reached the "know when the rules should be broken" threshold.

>>233120
Also, you gotta consider the fact that professional comic book artists (especially big 2) have to go a long way to even enter most editors' radars. Its mingling, but also skill.
You need a portfolio they like, experience and being able to work in the industry system.

This style is something the inprint, editor and artist were on the same page on regarding this particular release. Just because the art's divorced from the in-house style, or of cape comics in general, doesn't mean the style itself is wrong, or the artist is unknowledgable. Not without its snafus but that goes without saying.
But hey, I can even tell you several points in which the book's artist is more skilled at than a few established industry professionals.

>>233125
Connections and being able to churn out utter dross quickly is what matter when it comes to getting work quickly,

Hell even if you write complete racist crap when you've got someone higher-up protecting your comic even as it doesn't make the big sales numbers you're set.

>>233127
There are so many books with overall art worse than this.

>>233140
It's true. There's some stuff with huge technical proficiency but a complete lack of compositional skills and terrible visual storytelling. Greg Land comes to mind.

Really the only things that are objectionable about this art are the faces on the character designs. The bodies, the composition, the proportion, the poses, they're all fine. Better than a lot of what else is out there, even.

>>233144
I'd say the coloring is another weak spot.

>>233146
I don't see anything wrong with the coloring really. But that's a different artist from the pencils anyway.

>>233146
Its no cucumber quest, but its nicely consistent with its hues.
Its unremarkable, but thats pretty much it.

>>233140
That just proves the points being made doesn't it? That being good at your job isn't required in comicbooks.

>>233154
Yeah the hardest part is to get those jobs though.

>>233154
Maybe, but this all just reeks of picking on something just because its different.

>>233182
I don't think so. The most recent alt cover is a perfect example of what squirrel girl could've been: bubbly, kind of off-beat style. flat, unique colours, cartoony expressions and nice swooping lines. etc etc

You can have a different style from most other comics without looking godawful

OK so this is kind of a dumb question but how is Miss America Chavez Hispanic if she comes from an alternate dimension where such concepts of ethnicity don't even exist? For that matter, a representative of America if she isn't even from a world with America in it? Unless they were migrants from the real world?

>>233202
It's not actually godawful, though.

>>233204

I say this as someone who really wanted to own this comic: the inner art really is god-fucking-awful. That Gurihiru pic is a perfect example of what this comic SHOULD have looked like. But now we're stuck with art that makes Doreen look like she got hit with a frying pan, saw that her face stuck that way, and got collagen injections into her lips to make up for it. I've said it before, I'll say it again - she didn't have to be supermodel gorgeous, but she didn't have to be butt-ugly, either.

>>233202
While I agree the interior art in this series isn't appealing, Gurihiru is, in my opinion, the best art team working on comics right now, and maybe ever. Comparing anything to the Gurihiru version is pretty much always going to come up with the non-Gurihiru option looking worse. So it's not really a fair comparison.

>>233213

She looks like she has a moustache in the last panel. Fucking hell.

>>233210
That's exactly the alt cover I was talking about. Everything that could have been

>>233213
It helps a little with some of the issues of her looking cross-eyed in the original.

>>233209
>but she didn't have to be butt-ugly, either.
So, wait
What's the issue here? That the artist isn't up to par? Or that you don't find her attractive?

>>233205
Holy shit that mouth looks like it's on completely backwards. That or she's suffering from a bad case of anime sidemouth.

>>233213
Even the squirrels themselves look so much better too. Far more animated and with more character than the amorphous blobs of the regular artwork. It can't be that hard to add a few strokes to suggest fur so that there's more visual variety on the pages.

>>233217

Okay fine it's both, is that what you want? But I'm not trying to say Doreen should be a 10/10 or anything. Hell, there's a redline sketch in >>233092 that shows a number of issues with the art that could be fixed while keeping Doreen's general appearance intact.

I know I sound like a sexist asshat when I say this, but I didn't want to pick up this book and see an "ugly" Squirrel Girl inhabiting the pages. (Fire thine arrows, Tumblr!) But I didn't want a "super-sexy" Squirrel Girl, either. Gurihiru's version of Doreen strikes the perfect balance between "cute" and "attractive" that would've made this comic a joy to read. If that makes me a bastard...well, I've called myself worse things.

>>233217
Can you stop being deliberately obtuse? No one here is talking about her design not having sex appeal. All we're saying is that the art is hideous and, in turn, makes her look hideous. It's hard to keep your mind on the story when all you're thinking is "eugh this ART". I had the same reaction during Larroca's run on Iron Man and it ruined my experience with those books too.

P.S. Not that it should matter, but I'm a straight woman. My opinion has nothing to do with "would not fuck"

>>233209
Even if Doreen was actually ugly I would've been perfectly fine with that so long as it looked like it was the result of proper artwork like Bueno Excelente, and not incompetence like that one cover of Squirrel Girl imagining herself with all the other heroes where everybody literally looked like a Super Mutant. I understand the appeal of making Doreen "plain" as a response to the unrealistic beauty standards set up by comics, but but when even people like Steve Rogers and Black Widow who are supposed to be really attractive in canon end up looking deformed, it comes off less like a conscious choice and more like plain old inadequacy.

>>233222

What he said goes for me because I suck at the whole words and opinions thing.

>>233223
Psst I'm female too but it's an easy enough mistake to make.

>>231585
Yeesh. But hey, if they had to be thrown some scraps at least Marvel threw Squirrel Girl to the Tumblrdogs and not someone important.

Would I buy that, if I was a plain fat girl? Is that supposed to appeal to me, knowing that they intentionally made a character unattractive to pander to me?

>>233225
It's a non-argument seeing that in the pics where she's unattractive so is everyone else (to the point that in >>231801 she looks like a goddamn beauty next to Steve Ogre), and in the variant covers she's fat and attractive at the same time.

Wait she's supposed to be fat?

You know, fat wouldn't be normal if we didn't live in goddamn America.

>>233227
She's a little chubby compared to most superheroines who tend to more lean and/or muscular, but even then most of it is confined to the face. She's more curvaceous than truly fat.

>>233227
Historically, Squirrel Girl was actually visibly skinny. Like, underweight, unhealthy skinny.

This isn't a social justice or style issue, the art for the squirrel girl book is simply badly done.

>>233234
>This isn't a....style issue
It is though. I mean you can scream till you're blue in the face that it's not about style, but the thing you are upset about is literally the style in which the artist chose to do it. Whether you're right about the conclusion you came to or not, you are using incorrect vocabulary if you define this as something other than an issue of style.

>>233235
You're using a lot of loaded terms to subtly imply people who disagree with you are just raging spergs

>>233235
Chosing to draw badly doesn't prevent you from criticism and people complaints. Saying "it's his/her style" is admitting it's shit, because the only thing you can do from there is deflect with potential better work of the artist.

>>233236
It's not that I disagree with people. It's that people are trying to make their opinions, which I agree with incidentally, sound like they are objective facts rather than emotional reactions. And that is wrong.

>>233237
No, it doesn't. But when you criticize something you should be accurate in your criticisms. You don't get to say "This isn't an issue of style" when it's an issue of style.

If we're talking about style, I think its about what metric we're evaluating the art quality on.
People have said its more of a webcomic art-wise than a big 2 comic.

That said, it has better composition, posing, anatomy and work than quite a big 2 comics, even if its stylistically alternative. And its also way better than so many webcomics, but given how publishing works there, its pretty much a given.

Honestly at this point, I think the problem is more about the reader. This is a style, and a valid one at that. The characters look ugly - there's no appeal or use of line economy facially. Thats a deliberate choice and one you don't like. You don't like it. And that's okay. God knows I have my fair share of artwork I gag at - and observing art with a critical eye is important!

That said, there's a point where it IS indeed just picking at it because its different, and THEN trying to rationalize it as somethng else. And there's nitpicking, and of course even when its a style an artist can fuck up. That shit happens! A lot!! But you can't be artgerm in every panel.

now lay off, i actually really like this book ;0;

>>233244

Personally, I adore the overall general design of Doreen’s look for Unbeatable. Gurihiru proved it can look good. But Henderson fucked it all kinds of up.

I've never really had an issue with the bodies in Squirrel Girl. Those are fine. It's just the faces that really bother me. But when they're done so inconsistently across the board and it's not just limited to one character that's when things start to look kind of iffy. It's not an uncommon problem as I've seen a fair share of amateur artists on Tumblr who can draw bodies just fine but flounder about as soon as they go above the neck. Also faces are a key fixture on people so errors there are going to be a lot more noticeable. Now if someone can provide pieces of work by the artist where they do draw the faces looking a lot more normal and proportional than this comic then I'll eat my words.

>In a book with bad art, simply redrawing the face and reusing the hair shouldn't be enough to really "fix" a bad picture.

Ha ha, what? Says who?

Take Girl Genius for example. You've got solid artwork everywhere except for the faces, which are complete train wrecks. Even if its the artist's intention to make derpy, unappealing faces doesn't mean the artwork isn't "bad," particularly when we are going by the medium of comic books whose whole purpose is to produce a marketable product for mass audiences.

>>233259
>Says who?
Says any Philosophy of Art you could study.

http://toybox.io9.com/why-are-marvel-so-fascinated-by-a-teenage-spider-man-1686153099

High school never ends.

>>233262
I swear, half of the posts you make are either about pissing on Marvel or stroking the e-peens of the competition over comparatively nothing. Are you capable of enjoying things for themselves and not seeing it as a giant dickwaving competition?

>>233260
literally who cares about the technicalities or proper terminology or whatever you're going on about.
The faces look bad. Style, talent, whatever you want to call/excuse it doesn't change that.
Faces = first/major thing most people focus on. Faces here look bad. People will think fixate on that and comment on it. Bogging it down with "well TECHNICALLY" talk doesn't change that fact

>>233267
This isn't a matter of technicalities. It is a matter of someone saying "This isn't about style!" when it is about style. What you're asking me to do is to not call out factually wrong statements because it interrupts your bitchfest. Go ahead with your bitchfest! Just say what's actually bothering you instead of expecting people to allow you to get away with saying things that are not true when you do.

>>233273

>Just say what's actually bothering you

What's bothering me is the art is shit

//youtube.com/watch?v=VHYQOY0Y2a4

>>233273

Holy shit, nobody cares. If it's a deliberate stylistic choice, then it was an ill-advised one. Saying that it's an issue of style doesn't actually address the main concern, which is that the art looks bad. The only actual difference between an artist who can't draw and an artist who is doing bad art on purpose is that one of them ought to know better.

>>233281
Coolio. Too bad it's probably going to be shit because Jeph Loeb is a hack because if the NYCC footage is any indication the show's got a nice artstyle.

>>233287
Expecting it to be like that one Buzz Lightyear cartoon from a while back.

>>233287
To be fair, I heard he's not really involved that much in the animation department so it might be good.

>>233340
I just hope someday we could see a western pokemon comic.
I love the manga, but hell if I'm not interested in seeing what a take on the story and universe would be like with current comic talent.

>>233341
Unless it's a brand new character from Unova with new enemies, i don't want it.

>>233379
Which is what, another series where characters you used to like when they had series get brutally killed for cheap reader interest?

>>233379
Is that a fucking centaur...

>>233379
Man I love Robbie but I fucking hate that mask.

>>233380
>Implying this isn't gonna be awesome Spooky Wacky Racers

>>233637
Art looks cute.

>>233396
Meph and Blackheart being very Whiplash and Muttley

Since nobody noticed the first time around, anyone who's read the Gillen run of Young Avengers know how Miss America can be Hispanic when she comes from a dimension where the concept of Latin America and Spanish probably don't exist?

>>233644
Anon... anon,

she's hispanic to us.

>>233646
I guess, but I'd think someone who goes by the name America would have a direct connection to the land or its peoples beyond just the name. It's a little bit weird, like a character from the planet Vegeta happening to be named Ronald Mimsey-Poppington and becoming the new Captain Britain or having a Russian name and becoming a KGB spy.

>>233647
But Latin America *is* America. It's in the name. Considerably more of the places named America are part of Latin America than are part of the United States or Canada.

>>233651
>But Latin America *is* America.

It's more like off-brand America. Like Canada. Cheaper, but not *quite* as good as the name brand stuff.

>>233651
I know that. I wasn't saying Latin America wasn't America, but that America Chavez is only (Latin) American in name only. She's an alien from another dimension who coincidentally looks and sounds like our Hispanic culture for no real reason, unless her dimension consists of people kidnapped from our IRL universe. From what I can tell she doesn't have the excuse Superman has either of being as good as an American native despite her extradimensional origins. I think if they really wanted Hispanic representation on the team they should've created an actual, explicitly Hispanic character with an origin directly connected to the Americas they're supposed to represent, rather than just being coded that way.

At least with the Martian Manhunter his John Jones disguise is that, a disguise. He wasn't actually named with something that came straight from a language that doesn't exist on Mars. Same with how Captain Marvel wasn't actually named Walter Lawson, despite looking like a WASP (and even then Kree who look like Earthlings are supposed to be considered freaks of nature compared to the blue ones).

>>233661
>I think if they really wanted Hispanic representation on the team they should've created an actual, explicitly Hisp
No no I actually like her. She's good. So she's an alien, who gives a fuck, so's the Kryptonians and nobody's going all "their caucasianess should be more naturally introduced into the character."

>>233664
I know I sound nitpicky but now that we're in modern times we really should though. Maybe the Kryptonians aren't such a great example because of the grandfather clause and the fact that looking like a typical early 1900's WASP was a core part of Superman's concept.

>>233666
Maybe, but its a shitty af double standard whenever a minority in the US gets introduced people are always griping about it not being 'introduced naturally' and I just want to have my miss america chavez. She's great. She's good enough.

>>233666
>looking like a typical early 1900's WASP was a core part of Superman's concept.
Which is kind of a shame given that despite his official story, everything about Superman makes him make more sense as Jewish than a WASP.

>>233670
That was the entire point. He was an analogy for Jews, and part of that was for him to look like a white person but "other" at the same time.

>>233671

A similar thing to how Steve Rogers looks like a Nazi's ideal person, which was meant to make it ironic that he was the one going around punching Hitler in the face (his creators were Jewish as well).

So hows the new Howard the Duck?

>>233797
Is that real because I can't fathom how the new Thoress would actually have something that entertaining in it.

>>233799
Doesn't she sleep with women, isn't that enough?

>>233799
Of course it's an edit.

>>233871
Kamiya is not Hashimoto.

>>233863
Crossover with Wonderful 101 when?

>>233871
I'd give my left nut for Winter Weaves and Cuhrayzee Ameirca.

>>234180
I'm not a big fan of the writing, but good for it.

>>234180
The series itself is not very good at all and neither is the way Thoress has been handled, but between its and Kamala's success hopefully more comics will be less afraid of having leading superheroines.

>>234180
The previous Thor run didn't have anyone going on The View to drum up sales/controversy, so I don't know how worthwhile a comparison this is, at all.

>>234190
...which is another way of saying no one had any reason to give a shit about Thor until recently.

>>234191
Which is another way of saying "no one gives a shit about comics that aren't Marvel's STAR WARS"

>>234196
Which is another way of saying "The Comics industry is finally learning there's such a thing as Marketing."

>>234197
Hard not to after watching DC grind it's face against rocks all day everyday since 2011.

>>234199

But Midnighter is a openly gay man using a gay dating app and Catwoman is now openly bisexual.

Both which just make me go. "Okay how does this figure into character development or some comic arc that has been on the fringe for the last year?"

Still feels like they are marketing the wrong part of that like with Batwoman when she was announced.