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MARVEL THREAD #2: UNBEATABLE

…and once again I have to say that I just cannot deal with the art style of this comic (and it’s not even out yet).
No.231606
Anonymous
Good god, those thighs. Merciful mother of christ, I want to get between those delicious thighs!

>no feet

Meh, I guess it's okay.
No.231610
Anonymous
Replies:>>231611
Is it me or does her left arm look kind of off?
No.231611
F-ing
>>231610
Mmmno. They all seem adequately proportioned and don't clash with the rest of the picture.
Any specifcs on that 'off'ness, anon?
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Jumpman
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Childish and disgusting. Two for one, Marvel.
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57342
Secret Wars is gonna be all kinds of crazy.

>>231685
Gee, Marvel.
Definitively not cool.
No.231698
Jumpman
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>>231685
Checked the writer's Twitter and apparently that's not what happened. So I'll take back what I said.
No.231722
Anonymous
Replies:>>231725
>>231698
>looking forward to the movie
Calling bullshit here. Nobody can say with seriousness that they're looking forward to it.
No.231725
Anonymous
>>231722
I'm gonna let go of my fanboy zeal and say I'm actually looking forward to it.
If anything, because I'm curious to see what they're doing - since its clearly not a retread of the previous movies nor the comics.
No.231764
T4 was here
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Thats surprisingly accurate.
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Jumpman
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Anonymous
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Man I don't know what to think anymore. On some pages Squirrel looks just as horrible as Mr. Stone says. On others she looks fine, like here. She, Hawkeye, and Black Widow are alright if extremely stylized but jesus Carol, Thor, and Cap are almost monstrous.
No.231802
The Sneaky Tiki
Jesus, but yeah the coloring REEEEEEALLY ISN'T HELPING
No.231806
Anonymous
>>231801
Even bottom left squirrel looks kinda fucked.
No.231824
Anonymous
All this time I heard that Gerard Way was a comic book writer I was sure it was just another guy with the same name. Then I actually looked it up and sure enough it's WHEN I WAS guy.

What.

Is he actually any good?
>231824
He is. Check Umbrella Academy, it's fantastic.
No.231875
Anonymous
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>>231585
What do you think of this? It's the same nonconventional female design, but the change in artist has a profound impact on how it comes off.
No.231876
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>231875

Yeah, saw that alt cover back when the series was first announced. I like that style much better than the actual in-comic style because it’s not godawfully ugly.
No.231879
Anonymous
Why doesn't she have her eye marks

and cleavage (her older costume was better than the more clothing based one)
No.231881
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>231879

I’m never been a fan of the eye marks, so I have no problem with those being gone. As for the new outfit, I actually like it a little better than the old one—and if they stick with her backstory of being a runaway teenager who ended up in Central Park (because she wanted to fight crime in NYC), a clothing-based costume makes far more sense than the (presumably) spandex-based outfits she’s worn in the past.
No.231884
Anonymous
>>231879
I hate those eye marks because they made her look like a literal clown. Clowns are horrible. Squirrel Girl isn't (or shouldn't be).
No.231898
Anonymous
>>231801
I've gotta disagree on Hawkeye. He looks like a withered old man. It's a shame because I see what they're going for, but god. Awful, awful art.

Also I don't mind the eye marks being gone. I always thought they were a strange addition
No.231920
Anonymous
Which version of Bruce Banner do you prefer:

Tortured intelligent soul who must live with the destructive brute within him

or

A completely egotistical ponce who's an even bigger jerk than the jade rage monster he transforms into?
>>231920
First one, the second one is kind of edgy tryhard and EASY MODO writing. Although the first one can take some concepts of the second one, but without going overboard.
No.231931
Anonymous
>>231920
Both at the same time.
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The Sneaky Tiki
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>>231920
The man desperately trying to fix things while never realizing nothings broken and that's why he's broken.
No.231936
Anonymous
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>>231935
A man fighting aginst somethining that only gets worse because he fights.
No.231944
Anonymous
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>>231936
Bipartisanship?
No.231950
Anonymous
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>>231944
Could be right, Banner/Hulk were strongest when they were united in a cause back in World War Hulk.
No.231951
Anonymous
>>231950
Do people just not remember 90s era Smart Hulk anymore?
>>231951
He's one of my favorite ones.
Also, motherfuckin' Maestro.
No.231959
Anonymous
>>231951
You mean Peter David's Hulk?
No.231968
Anonymous
So Magneto isn't Pietro and Wanda's Dad anymore.

Because movies I guess.
No.231969
Anonymous
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>>231968
Do elaborate.
No.231971
Anonymous
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>>231969
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/todays-axis-7-will-retcon-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-forever-spoilers-obviously/
No.231972
Anonymous
>>231971
Wow, that's really lame. Anything about Polaris or is she gonna get retconned around?
No.231973
The Sneaky Tiki
>>231971
That is SO obviously to untangle them from the X-men for the upcoming movies.
No.231975
Anonymous
>>231968
I bet it'll be retconned back once they can't figure out how to use the two for the MCU anymore.
No.231977
Anonymous
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>>231968
>>231971

Reminder that they weren't even Magneto's kids until like, the 80s, just a couple of gypsy mutant teenagers that he saved from an angry mob, and that there was a significant chunk of time where they were the son and daughter of the Whizzer and Miss America (which is clearly better because MONGOOSE BLOOD) until John Byrne had one of his dumb ideas.

So this is just retconning a retcon. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/05/13/comic-book-legends-revealed-260/
No.231978
The Sneaky Tiki
>>231977
Well if it's undoing something Byrne did then it's obviously an excellent idea.
No.231980
The Sneaky Tiki
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Good Carnage is literally the best thing to come out of Axis.
No.231983
TeethandHunger
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>>231980
Wut?! GOOD Carnage?
No.231992
Anonymous
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>>231983
Carnage is currently trying to be a hero, as per the whole hero-villain switcheroo thing going on.

"Trying" being the key word. Since he was a bloodthirsty maniac even before the symbiote, he has no idea of how to go about this hero thing. THEY CAN'T ROB THE BANK IF HE BURNS IT DOWN FIRST!
No.231993
The Sneaky Tiki
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>>231992
>>231983
It's REALLY great.
No.231996
Anonymous
I'm seeing all sorts of complaints about how AXIS is racist for painting minorities as evil and white people as heroic. Am I just too daft or do I need to start unfollowing some overly sensitive people?
No.232000
Anonymous
>>231996
Cultural context is totally a thing.
You're completely free to unfollow whoever you like but truth be told, there is some validity in those complaints.
No.232002
Anonymous
>>231996
Most of the bawwing I'm seeing is over the Quicksilver and Wanda retcon. I'm kinda torn. It's painfully obvious it's being done for the sake of the movies which is really disappointing, and them turning out to be Inhumans is the last explanation I want after mutanthood. At the same time them being part of Magneto's family tree is as much of a burden as it is interesting, and it makes Polaris being his daughter that less egregious.
No.232008
Anonymous
>>232002
Have you watched Agents of SHIELD? That may have been actually what Feige was talking about regarding them.
No.232009
Anonymous
>>232002
>them turning out to be Inhumans is the last explanation I want after mutanthood

You know what would have made a ton of sense? Retconning them into being New Men.
The High Evolutionary is even indisputably Marvel movie wise because he's out of Thor.
No.232010
Anonymous
>>232009
Makes sense, the High Evolutionary is a big part of their backstory anyway with the cow lady.
No.232110
Anonymous
I'm REALLY hoping Hobgoblin stays a hero for as long as possible.
No.232117
Anonymous
>>232009
I think they're changing their backstories to be empowered by the Infinity Stones. Makes sense from a certain standpoint I guess, Quicksilver's ability is to rapidly shift his location in Space while Scarlet Witch has the power to manipulate things with her Mind.
No.232124
Jumpman
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/12/18/spider-woman-new-costume-exclusive/20574271/
No.232126
Bunker !OFOzVPOG0g
>>232124
Hmm more buttons and snaps. Wasn't she supposed to join up in a team with Spider-Gwen or something.
No.232127
The Sneaky Tiki
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>>232124
oh jeez that's bad.
No.232128
Anonymous
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>>232124
I'm not a big fa of it but honestly anything is a step up from her old costume.
No.232129
Anonymous
>>232127
That particular piece of art is pretty terrible but I'm glad they ditched the stupid eye-shield thingies of the original. Now if only they could restore Wiccan's old costume from his current abomination.
No.232131
Anonymous
>>232128
Call me a bad feminist but I actually don't have a problem with superhero costumes being sexy as long as they're not ugly looking or extreme like Star Sapphire's. I'm glad they're changing Drew's because it was pretty ugly, but stuff like Ms. Marvel's leotard-sash or the Scarlet Witch were perfectly fine. I do have a feeling it's preparation for Spider-Woman possibly being in the MCU down the line though.
No.232136
Anonymous
>>232131
Scarlet Witch is fine, but Ms. Marvel had one of the most boring costumes in comics. It was bad without any notion of feminism. Spider-Woman was the same.
No.232137
Anonymous
>>232124
I like it.
No.232141
Anonymous
Replies:>>232142
>>232131
Nothing in that paragraph makes you a bad feminist, dude.

That said, yeah its rad!
Its sorta what this age requires out of superhero costumes. Practicality, and screen-readiness.
Skintight spandex - lazy design passing as "genre clothes" doesn't really have as much a place this day and age.
No.232142
Anonymous
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>>232141
There is a level of "uncanny valley" with the practicality though. Sometimes outfits can be TOO normal to the point that the little stylization they is enough to make it look silly/boring.
No.232144
Anonymous
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>>232142
Quicksilver really should have had a haircut. Scarlett Witch I think looks a lot like her Evolution getup.
No.232145
Anonymous
>>232144
Didn't the X-Men Evolution guys work on Thor 2? Because man that movie was a hot mess with maybe a handful of good scenes and lines sprinkled throughout.
No.232147
Jumpman
>>232145
Christopher Yost wrote on X-Men Evolution and Thor 2, yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Yost
No.232148
Anonymous
>>232145
Still better than Thor 1 at least.
No.232151
Anonymous
>>232124
The costume is decent but jesus christ that picture is an even worse offender anatomy-wise than the Manara QUALITYfest it was meant to rebuke.
No.232275
Anonymous
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How cutting edge is the Superior Iron Man? George Michael wrote a song and made a music video about him a DOZEN YEARS AGO!

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TWIST!
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>>232275
Hah!
I kinda liked that video back in the day.
No.232294
Anonymous
>>232275
He looks like something from Metal Gear Revengeance crossed with a Jojo Stand.
No.232418
Jumpman
Replies:>>232419
To anyone that wonders why Marvel keeps killing and bring back its heroes.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-85907

>Peter Parker‘s return as Spider-Man, after nearly a year and a half away, gave Marvel Comics the top-selling comic book of 2014, according to the primary distributor of comic books in North America.

...

>Marvel, home to the Avengers and the X-Men in addition to Spider-Man, was 2014′s top-selling publisher in the comic-book specialty market, Diamond said, with about a 34% market share in terms of dollars and about a 37% share in terms of units sold

Rocket Raccoon was one of the top-selling comics, so that's cool.
No.232419
The Sneaky Tiki
>>232418
I really can't figure out what's wrong with Comic fans.
No.232421
Anonymous
>>232420
Missed by inches.
No.232423
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>232517
GODDAMNIT
No.232428
Anonymous
Replies:>>232517
Fuck Slott.
No.232514
Anonymous
I hate to come wandering in begging questions, but I've been out of the loop with Marvel for a while now and am kinda interested in keeping up with Spider-Gwen's story. So far the only thing she's been in is Edge of Spiderverse #2, and then her own series starts in April, yeah? Or am I missing stuff?
No.232517
Anonymous
>>232423
>>232428
All right, what now?
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Jumpman
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Anonymous
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http://www.newsarama.com/23276-the-marvel-universe-is-ending.html
No.232636
The Sneaky Tiki
>>232635
Tell me Marvel how well does this idea usually work for DC?
No.232639
Anonymous
>>232635
Didn't they sort of do this a year or so ago with Ultimate ending?

Also Slott has caused me to become completly numb and uncaring to any and everything Marvel writes these days. I want to like it again, I want to read again, I want to experiance the roll reversal stuff they're doing in the current event, but I'm not about to crawl back on my hands and knees. It's an abusive relationship.
No.232640
Anonymous
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>>232635
I'm fine with the Ultimate Universe going away sans Miles but why get rid of the other universes too? That was one of their advantages over DC.
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Jumpman
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Anonymous
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>>232641
Eh. Hopefully it will pave the way for Marvel to do crossovers with more interesting manga in the future like Jojo or Vinland Saga. Or even better, Tiger and Bunny.
No.232645
Anonymous
>>232642
MarvelXOne Piece.

Inhumans basically breathe vaporized Devil Fruits, yo.
No.232648
Anonymous
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>>232642
Didn't Tiger & Bunny's artist work for Marvel for awhile?
No.232650
Anonymous
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>>232642
Personally I'm hoping this will somehow make it to the big screens, unlikely as it is due to said Stand-giver being X-Man.
No.232651
Anonymous
>>232640
50 years of outdated and mostly irrelevant stories are not an advantage.

The advantage Marvel had was that other than ones specific to characters, like Teen Tony or the Spider-Marriage, they didn't do terrible stories about their continuity and changing it.

Reboots are good and often necessary. Marvel needs one. But where comics always fucks them up is thinking there needs to be a story that gives an in-continuity explanation for the reboot. Every DC hero's life is different because Barry Allen is a momma's boy. The Earth-3 Lex Luthor was messing with reality and it changed who killed Batman's parents. Spider-Man isn't married because he made a deal with the devil to save his elderly aunt. They try to have it both ways. Rebooting but doing a story that makes it clear everything still happened and these are the same characters you've always been reading. There wasn't a movie about how the Sam Raimi Spider-Man became the Amazing Spider-Man. The first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold wasn't about what happened to Batman: The Animated Series.
No.232652
Anonymous
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>>232651
If they get rid of Spider-Girl I'm going to be fucking pissed.
No.232654
Anonymous
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>>232652
They've already murdered her parents and possibly set up her brother to get eaten by monster men.

They've gotten rid of her in the ways that matter most, by destroying her life. A May dealing with everyone she knows dead or gone forever isn't the same character she was before.
No.232659
Anonymous
>>232651
I'd say a willingness to have entirely separate universes, like the Ultimate one, that don't "collide" with each other, is exactly what allows them to avoid a lot of needless in-continuity explanations.
No.232661
Anonymous
>>232651
Having a bajillion separate universes and not really caring is what lets them experiment with stuff like Marvel 1602 without having to worry about causing problems in the main continuity like they did with a set number of Earth-1 and Earth-2s and so on like DC had.
No.232666
Anonymous
>>232654
It's not the real Mayday though. Defaclo and Frenz implied that pretty heavily in today's Spiderverse.
No.232807
Anonymous
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In a world with no pants...
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Anonymous
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>>232807
No.232812
Anonymous
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>>232807
The Thing looks like he's made out of Fruty Pebbles.
No.232813
Nøpe
>>232812
I guess that's what they meant by gritty reboot
No.232824
The Sneaky Tiki
Is there a worse character than Silk?
No.232882
The Sneaky Tiki
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Yo holy shit, I thought Silk was bad but MAAAAAAAAAN I just found out how bad they fucked up Venom HOLY SHIT I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE LEVELS OF FUCKING STUPID THAT IS.

I usually am okay with Bendis to really enthusiastic about Ultimate Spider-Man BUT HOLY SHIT YOU ARE THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO COSMIC MARVEL JFC
No.232883
Anonymous
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>>232882
>he's mad
>he posts ahegao

Hmmmmmmmm?
dat doujin tho
No.232903
The Sneaky Tiki
>>232883
I just couldn't find a picture that looked brain dead enough.
No.232907
T4 was here
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>>232883
Google image seach failed me...

So where is it from?
No.232908
Anonymous
Replies:>>232911
>>232907
>(C84) [Hamanasu Chaya (Hamanasu)] B=Witch! (Little Witch Academia) [English] [Risette]

http://exhentai.org/g/622285/e5d150312c/
No.232911
T4 was here
>>232908
Thx Q~
No.232942
Anonymous
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>>232941
Yeah, gonna need something more reliable as a source.
No.232945
Anonymous
>>232942
Just ignore them.
No.232954
Anonymous
Open your eyes and put up your dukes:

https://vid.me/yltf
No.233005
Jumpman
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No.233011
Anonymous
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>>233005
If that's not an edit I hate Deadpool even fucking more than before now.
Well, lucky them they take their jobs as mods friggin seriously now, or Marvel would indirectly advert cheese pizza.

Now that would be hilarious.
No.233012
Anonymous
Replies:>>233040
>>233011
4chan was already mentioned in Popular Mechanics.
No.233040
TeethandHunger
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>>233012
Also mentioned twice Avengers Academy.
No.233046
Anonymous
>>233040
And way back in Ultimate Armor Wars.
No.233065
Anonymous
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http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man

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Anonymous
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Bloody hell even if this was just someones webcomic the art would still be below average.
No.233074
The Sneaky Tiki
>>233073
eseeeeeh
No.233075
Anonymous
Replies:>>233076
>>233073
The change in design itself, I like. But yeah it seriously needs a change of artist. Aside from the top right panel (which is just styled enough to look like Steven Universe fanart) it's a parade of QUALITY and weak coloring.
No.233076
The Sneaky Tiki
>>233075
Like I know the red is to show it's an alarming situation but the colors are all muted and then BIG FUCKING RED panel to completely destroy the composition.
No.233077
Anonymous
Replies:>>233078
>>233073
>even if this was just someones webcomic the art would still be below average.
I think maybe you haven't read many webcomics. Like maybe you only read the webcomics that are popular, so you're thinking "average" for webcomics art is a considerably higher bar than it is. There are a lot more xkcds than there are Unsoundeds.
No.233078
The Sneaky Tiki
>>233077
My bar is Girl Genius for just barely above terrible average webcomic art and it's definitely worse art than Girl Genius.
No.233079
The Sneaky Tiki
>>233078
(the actual drawings being right around the same but goddamn Squirrel Girl's art is way worse in terms of coloring.)
No.233080
Anonymous
Replies:>>233082
>>233078
Man, Girl Genius, as awkward and goofy as the art can be, is SO far above "average" for webcomics. Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff is probably closer to average than Girl Genius is.
No.233081
Anonymous
Replies:>>233082
It does seem pretty amateurish for a big name company like Marvel.
Id expect this quality out of a mediocre weekly webcomic.
No.233082
The Sneaky Tiki
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>>233080
We're not talking about story, we're talking about art, everyone knows GG is great with mediocre art.

>>233081
Exactly.
No.233083
Anonymous
>>233082
>We're not talking about story, we're talking about art, everyone knows GG is great with mediocre art.
I *am* talking about art. You seem to be basing what you consider "average" art not on "average for webcomics" but on "average among webcomics that have art that is better than a certain arbitrarily defined threshold." Like I said, Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff is closer to average among webcomic art than Girl Genius is. As crappy as GG's art is, it is well above average.
No.233085
Anonymous
So would you rather people just say the art for that SG comic is complete shit.

Do they expect people to pay for such a thing?
No.233087
Anonymous
>>233073
Wow that art is just. Terrible. Seriously who approved this? That strange cleft lip/Stallone combo is just so incredibly off-putting.
No.233088
Anonymous
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>>233073
hehehehehe

what the fuck is art even
No.233092
Anonymous
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>>233073
Tried to see if I could do anything about the more extreme anatomical problems with the faces.

Now you see why I'm not a comic book artist.
No.233100
Anonymous
Replies:>>233107
>>233073
When I draw like that, people fucking hate me and troll me so hard that I delete all my shit.
When Marvel draws like that, people buy it and the artist get paid. Damn this world.

Also, after seeing that page I came to the conclusion that it's kinda interesting to have the first down-syndrome superheroine.
No.233107
Anonymous
>>233100
>When I draw like that, people fucking hate me and troll me so hard that I delete all my shit.
>When Marvel draws like that, people buy it and the artist get paid. Damn this world.

The lesson you should be taking from this is to stop listening to the internet's opinion about your work and seek validation from within. You can sell comics that look like this to people, too, if you work at it. Stop giving up just because the internet loves shitting on things even if they happily throw money at it.
No.233109
Anonymous
>>233107
No, it proves something else. Actual quality does not define success.

Honestly I have started to gain a slight disdain for anyone that pays Marvel for their comics, especially when some of the writers go out of their way to openly shit on you.
No.233110
Anonymous
>>233109
Shit like most Marvel shows. Especially Hulk Smash Squad.
No.233114
Anonymous
>>233107
This.

>>233109
>Actual quality does not define success.
I'm not saying I love the art on the comic, but its a look they're deliberately going for. At that point, quality is entirely subjective.
No.233119
Anonymous
Replies:>>233120
>>233114
Style is not an excuse for bad art. I can understand willful stylization but in this case it just looks like the artist is incompetent when it comes to anatomy (lopsided faces, oddly located features such as the nose being parallel to the eyes rather than below them, general wall-eye, misshapen lips with folds where they shouldn't exist, bizarre and inconsistent proportions). If the artist drew consistently good work beforehand or made it clear that the art problems were an intentional choice to convey some point then sure, but so far it just looks like they don't know how to draw.
No.233120
Anonymous
>>233119
If you spend much time learning to draw, you learn to recognize certain things in other people's art that makes it obvious when someone's doing something because they don't know better and when they're doing it because that's what they wanted to do. Based on what I know of drawing, I agree with>>233114. The art in this comic doesn't look like someone who doesn't know what they're doing. It looks like someone who is intentionally choosing to draw in a way that runs counter to the usual rules of appealing art. Now why they're trying to do that, I can't say. But it definitely looks like something they're doing on purpose.
No.233121
Anonymous
>>233120
Yea, it looks like the artist has reached the "know the rules well enough to break them" but hasn't yet reached the "know when the rules should be broken" threshold.
No.233125
Anonymous
Replies:>>233127
>>233120
Also, you gotta consider the fact that professional comic book artists (especially big 2) have to go a long way to even enter most editors' radars. Its mingling, but also skill.
You need a portfolio they like, experience and being able to work in the industry system.

This style is something the inprint, editor and artist were on the same page on regarding this particular release. Just because the art's divorced from the in-house style, or of cape comics in general, doesn't mean the style itself is wrong, or the artist is unknowledgable. Not without its snafus but that goes without saying.
But hey, I can even tell you several points in which the book's artist is more skilled at than a few established industry professionals.
No.233127
Anonymous
Replies:>>233140
>>233125
Connections and being able to churn out utter dross quickly is what matter when it comes to getting work quickly,

Hell even if you write complete racist crap when you've got someone higher-up protecting your comic even as it doesn't make the big sales numbers you're set.
No.233140
Anonymous
>>233127
There are so many books with overall art worse than this.
No.233144
Anonymous
Replies:>>233146
>>233140
It's true. There's some stuff with huge technical proficiency but a complete lack of compositional skills and terrible visual storytelling. Greg Land comes to mind.

Really the only things that are objectionable about this art are the faces on the character designs. The bodies, the composition, the proportion, the poses, they're all fine. Better than a lot of what else is out there, even.
No.233146
Anonymous
>>233144
I'd say the coloring is another weak spot.
No.233148
Anonymous
>>233146
I don't see anything wrong with the coloring really. But that's a different artist from the pencils anyway.
No.233151
Anonymous
>>233146
Its no cucumber quest, but its nicely consistent with its hues.
Its unremarkable, but thats pretty much it.
No.233154
Anonymous
>>233140
That just proves the points being made doesn't it? That being good at your job isn't required in comicbooks.
No.233179
Anonymous
>>233154
Yeah the hardest part is to get those jobs though.
No.233182
Anonymous
Replies:>>233202
>>233154
Maybe, but this all just reeks of picking on something just because its different.
No.233202
Anonymous
>>233182
I don't think so. The most recent alt cover is a perfect example of what squirrel girl could've been: bubbly, kind of off-beat style. flat, unique colours, cartoony expressions and nice swooping lines. etc etc

You can have a different style from most other comics without looking godawful
No.233203
Anonymous
OK so this is kind of a dumb question but how is Miss America Chavez Hispanic if she comes from an alternate dimension where such concepts of ethnicity don't even exist? For that matter, a representative of America if she isn't even from a world with America in it? Unless they were migrants from the real world?
No.233204
Anonymous
>>233202
It's not actually godawful, though.
No.233205
Anonymous
Replies:>>233218
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>>233204
It actually is.
No.233209
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>233204

I say this as someone who really wanted to own this comic: the inner art really is god-fucking-awful. That Gurihiru pic is a perfect example of what this comic SHOULD have looked like. But now we're stuck with art that makes Doreen look like she got hit with a frying pan, saw that her face stuck that way, and got collagen injections into her lips to make up for it. I've said it before, I'll say it again - she didn't have to be supermodel gorgeous, but she didn't have to be butt-ugly, either.
No.233210
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
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>>233209

And I thought the Gurihiru alternate cover for Squirrel Girl #3 had already been posted, but since it hasn't, FUCK IT I'LL POST IT LIVE.
No.233211
Anonymous
>>233202
While I agree the interior art in this series isn't appealing, Gurihiru is, in my opinion, the best art team working on comics right now, and maybe ever. Comparing anything to the Gurihiru version is pretty much always going to come up with the non-Gurihiru option looking worse. So it's not really a fair comparison.
No.233213
Nøpe
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>>233210
This just made me realize how beady her eyes are in the comic itself, so I tried an experiment.
No.233214
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>233213

She looks like she has a moustache in the last panel. Fucking hell.
No.233215
Anonymous
>>233210
That's exactly the alt cover I was talking about. Everything that could have been
No.233216
Anonymous
>>233213
It helps a little with some of the issues of her looking cross-eyed in the original.
No.233217
Anonymous
>>233209
>but she didn't have to be butt-ugly, either.
So, wait
What's the issue here? That the artist isn't up to par? Or that you don't find her attractive?
No.233218
Anonymous
>>233205
Holy shit that mouth looks like it's on completely backwards. That or she's suffering from a bad case of anime sidemouth.

>>233213
Even the squirrels themselves look so much better too. Far more animated and with more character than the amorphous blobs of the regular artwork. It can't be that hard to add a few strokes to suggest fur so that there's more visual variety on the pages.
No.233220
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>233217

Okay fine it's both, is that what you want? But I'm not trying to say Doreen should be a 10/10 or anything. Hell, there's a redline sketch in >>233092 that shows a number of issues with the art that could be fixed while keeping Doreen's general appearance intact.

I know I sound like a sexist asshat when I say this, but I didn't want to pick up this book and see an "ugly" Squirrel Girl inhabiting the pages. (Fire thine arrows, Tumblr!) But I didn't want a "super-sexy" Squirrel Girl, either. Gurihiru's version of Doreen strikes the perfect balance between "cute" and "attractive" that would've made this comic a joy to read. If that makes me a bastard...well, I've called myself worse things.
No.233221
Anonymous
>>233217
Can you stop being deliberately obtuse? No one here is talking about her design not having sex appeal. All we're saying is that the art is hideous and, in turn, makes her look hideous. It's hard to keep your mind on the story when all you're thinking is "eugh this ART". I had the same reaction during Larroca's run on Iron Man and it ruined my experience with those books too.

P.S. Not that it should matter, but I'm a straight woman. My opinion has nothing to do with "would not fuck"
No.233222
Anonymous
Replies:>>233223
>>233209
Even if Doreen was actually ugly I would've been perfectly fine with that so long as it looked like it was the result of proper artwork like Bueno Excelente, and not incompetence like that one cover of Squirrel Girl imagining herself with all the other heroes where everybody literally looked like a Super Mutant. I understand the appeal of making Doreen "plain" as a response to the unrealistic beauty standards set up by comics, but but when even people like Steve Rogers and Black Widow who are supposed to be really attractive in canon end up looking deformed, it comes off less like a conscious choice and more like plain old inadequacy.
No.233223
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>233224
>>233222

What he said goes for me because I suck at the whole words and opinions thing.
No.233224
Anonymous
>>233223
Psst I'm female too but it's an easy enough mistake to make.
No.233225
Anonymous
Replies:>>233226
>>231585
Yeesh. But hey, if they had to be thrown some scraps at least Marvel threw Squirrel Girl to the Tumblrdogs and not someone important.

Would I buy that, if I was a plain fat girl? Is that supposed to appeal to me, knowing that they intentionally made a character unattractive to pander to me?
No.233226
Anonymous
>>233225
It's a non-argument seeing that in the pics where she's unattractive so is everyone else (to the point that in >>231801 she looks like a goddamn beauty next to Steve Ogre), and in the variant covers she's fat and attractive at the same time.
No.233227
Anonymous
Wait she's supposed to be fat?
No.233228
Anonymous
You know, fat wouldn't be normal if we didn't live in goddamn America.
No.233229
Anonymous
>>233227
She's a little chubby compared to most superheroines who tend to more lean and/or muscular, but even then most of it is confined to the face. She's more curvaceous than truly fat.
No.233232
Anonymous
>>233227
Historically, Squirrel Girl was actually visibly skinny. Like, underweight, unhealthy skinny.
No.233234
Anonymous
Replies:>>233235
This isn't a social justice or style issue, the art for the squirrel girl book is simply badly done.
No.233235
Anonymous
>>233234
>This isn't a....style issue
It is though. I mean you can scream till you're blue in the face that it's not about style, but the thing you are upset about is literally the style in which the artist chose to do it. Whether you're right about the conclusion you came to or not, you are using incorrect vocabulary if you define this as something other than an issue of style.
No.233236
Anonymous
Replies:>>233240
>>233235
You're using a lot of loaded terms to subtly imply people who disagree with you are just raging spergs
No.233237
Anonymous
Replies:>>233240
>>233235
Chosing to draw badly doesn't prevent you from criticism and people complaints. Saying "it's his/her style" is admitting it's shit, because the only thing you can do from there is deflect with potential better work of the artist.
No.233240
Anonymous
>>233236
It's not that I disagree with people. It's that people are trying to make their opinions, which I agree with incidentally, sound like they are objective facts rather than emotional reactions. And that is wrong.

>>233237
No, it doesn't. But when you criticize something you should be accurate in your criticisms. You don't get to say "This isn't an issue of style" when it's an issue of style.
No.233243
F-ing
If we're talking about style, I think its about what metric we're evaluating the art quality on.
People have said its more of a webcomic art-wise than a big 2 comic.

That said, it has better composition, posing, anatomy and work than quite a big 2 comics, even if its stylistically alternative. And its also way better than so many webcomics, but given how publishing works there, its pretty much a given.

Honestly at this point, I think the problem is more about the reader. This is a style, and a valid one at that. The characters look ugly - there's no appeal or use of line economy facially. Thats a deliberate choice and one you don't like. You don't like it. And that's okay. God knows I have my fair share of artwork I gag at - and observing art with a critical eye is important!

That said, there's a point where it IS indeed just picking at it because its different, and THEN trying to rationalize it as somethng else. And there's nitpicking, and of course even when its a style an artist can fuck up. That shit happens! A lot!! But you can't be artgerm in every panel.

now lay off, i actually really like this book ;0;
No.233244
Anonymous
Replies:>>233245
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Here, let me demonstrate what I mean about it being purely an issue of style. In a book with bad art, simply redrawing the face and reusing the hair shouldn't be enough to really "fix" a bad picture. Bad art has things wrong throughout the entire drawing, not just a weird way of drawing faces.

This is one of the cover images by Henderson herself, with the face replaced with one in the Gurihiru style. For fun I also did one where I replaced the hair with the hair from Gurihiru's character design.

Admittedly, I'm not Gurihiru. But I think this demonstrates well enough that what we're talking about here is not incompetence on Henderson's part, but design choices she and the editorial team has made that many of us disagree with.
No.233245
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>233244

Personally, I adore the overall general design of Doreen’s look for Unbeatable. Gurihiru proved it can look good. But Henderson fucked it all kinds of up.
No.233246
Anonymous
I've never really had an issue with the bodies in Squirrel Girl. Those are fine. It's just the faces that really bother me. But when they're done so inconsistently across the board and it's not just limited to one character that's when things start to look kind of iffy. It's not an uncommon problem as I've seen a fair share of amateur artists on Tumblr who can draw bodies just fine but flounder about as soon as they go above the neck. Also faces are a key fixture on people so errors there are going to be a lot more noticeable. Now if someone can provide pieces of work by the artist where they do draw the faces looking a lot more normal and proportional than this comic then I'll eat my words.
No.233259
Anonymous
Replies:>>233260
>In a book with bad art, simply redrawing the face and reusing the hair shouldn't be enough to really "fix" a bad picture.

Ha ha, what? Says who?

Take Girl Genius for example. You've got solid artwork everywhere except for the faces, which are complete train wrecks. Even if its the artist's intention to make derpy, unappealing faces doesn't mean the artwork isn't "bad," particularly when we are going by the medium of comic books whose whole purpose is to produce a marketable product for mass audiences.
No.233260
Anonymous
Replies:>>233267
>>233259
>Says who?
Says any Philosophy of Art you could study.
No.233262
Jumpman
Replies:>>233263
http://toybox.io9.com/why-are-marvel-so-fascinated-by-a-teenage-spider-man-1686153099

High school never ends.
No.233263
Anonymous
>>233262
I swear, half of the posts you make are either about pissing on Marvel or stroking the e-peens of the competition over comparatively nothing. Are you capable of enjoying things for themselves and not seeing it as a giant dickwaving competition?
No.233267
Anonymous
Replies:>>233273
>>233260
literally who cares about the technicalities or proper terminology or whatever you're going on about.
The faces look bad. Style, talent, whatever you want to call/excuse it doesn't change that.
Faces = first/major thing most people focus on. Faces here look bad. People will think fixate on that and comment on it. Bogging it down with "well TECHNICALLY" talk doesn't change that fact
No.233273
Anonymous
>>233267
This isn't a matter of technicalities. It is a matter of someone saying "This isn't about style!" when it is about style. What you're asking me to do is to not call out factually wrong statements because it interrupts your bitchfest. Go ahead with your bitchfest! Just say what's actually bothering you instead of expecting people to allow you to get away with saying things that are not true when you do.
No.233280
Anonymous
>>233273

>Just say what's actually bothering you

What's bothering me is the art is shit
No.233282
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y
>>233273

Holy shit, nobody cares. If it's a deliberate stylistic choice, then it was an ill-advised one. Saying that it's an issue of style doesn't actually address the main concern, which is that the art looks bad. The only actual difference between an artist who can't draw and an artist who is doing bad art on purpose is that one of them ought to know better.
No.233287
Anonymous
>>233281
Coolio. Too bad it's probably going to be shit because Jeph Loeb is a hack because if the NYCC footage is any indication the show's got a nice artstyle.
No.233295
Anonymous
>>233287
Expecting it to be like that one Buzz Lightyear cartoon from a while back.
No.233319
Anonymous
>>233287
To be fair, I heard he's not really involved that much in the animation department so it might be good.
No.233340
T4 was here
Replies:>>233341
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Heh, Pokémon.
Hope this mean they can use Pokémon to descripe why some powers beat others.
No.233341
Anonymous
Replies:>>233376
>>233340
I just hope someday we could see a western pokemon comic.
I love the manga, but hell if I'm not interested in seeing what a take on the story and universe would be like with current comic talent.
No.233376
Anonymous
Replies:>>233378
>>233341
Unless it's a brand new character from Unova with new enemies, i don't want it.
No.233378
T4 was here
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>>233376
Like Réburst?
Total AU, zero fucks given.
No.233379
Anonymous
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>http://www.newsarama.com/23595-secret-wars-turns-marvel-s-ghost-riders-into-ghost-racers.html
>Not talking about the best thing that's coming out from Secret Wars
No.233380
Anonymous
Replies:>>233396
>>233379
Which is what, another series where characters you used to like when they had series get brutally killed for cheap reader interest?
No.233382
Anonymous
>>233379
Is that a fucking centaur...
No.233386
Anonymous
>>233379
Man I love Robbie but I fucking hate that mask.
No.233396
Anonymous
Replies:>>233640
>>233380
>Implying this isn't gonna be awesome Spooky Wacky Racers
No.233637
Jumpman
Replies:>>233639
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http://mashable.com/2015/03/07/groot-comic-book-marvel/

This sounds fun. Happy that Rocket Raccoon was a success.
No.233639
Anonymous
>>233637
Art looks cute.
No.233640
Anonymous
>>233396
Meph and Blackheart being very Whiplash and Muttley
No.233644
Anonymous
Replies:>>233646
Since nobody noticed the first time around, anyone who's read the Gillen run of Young Avengers know how Miss America can be Hispanic when she comes from a dimension where the concept of Latin America and Spanish probably don't exist?
No.233646
Anonymous
Replies:>>233647
>>233644
Anon... anon,

she's hispanic to us.
No.233647
Anonymous
Replies:>>233651
>>233646
I guess, but I'd think someone who goes by the name America would have a direct connection to the land or its peoples beyond just the name. It's a little bit weird, like a character from the planet Vegeta happening to be named Ronald Mimsey-Poppington and becoming the new Captain Britain or having a Russian name and becoming a KGB spy.
No.233651
Anonymous
>>233647
But Latin America *is* America. It's in the name. Considerably more of the places named America are part of Latin America than are part of the United States or Canada.
No.233657
Anonymous
>>233651
>But Latin America *is* America.

It's more like off-brand America. Like Canada. Cheaper, but not *quite* as good as the name brand stuff.
No.233661
Anonymous
Replies:>>233664
>>233651
I know that. I wasn't saying Latin America wasn't America, but that America Chavez is only (Latin) American in name only. She's an alien from another dimension who coincidentally looks and sounds like our Hispanic culture for no real reason, unless her dimension consists of people kidnapped from our IRL universe. From what I can tell she doesn't have the excuse Superman has either of being as good as an American native despite her extradimensional origins. I think if they really wanted Hispanic representation on the team they should've created an actual, explicitly Hispanic character with an origin directly connected to the Americas they're supposed to represent, rather than just being coded that way.

At least with the Martian Manhunter his John Jones disguise is that, a disguise. He wasn't actually named with something that came straight from a language that doesn't exist on Mars. Same with how Captain Marvel wasn't actually named Walter Lawson, despite looking like a WASP (and even then Kree who look like Earthlings are supposed to be considered freaks of nature compared to the blue ones).
No.233664
Anonymous
Replies:>>233666
>>233661
>I think if they really wanted Hispanic representation on the team they should've created an actual, explicitly Hisp
No no I actually like her. She's good. So she's an alien, who gives a fuck, so's the Kryptonians and nobody's going all "their caucasianess should be more naturally introduced into the character."
No.233666
Anonymous
>>233664
I know I sound nitpicky but now that we're in modern times we really should though. Maybe the Kryptonians aren't such a great example because of the grandfather clause and the fact that looking like a typical early 1900's WASP was a core part of Superman's concept.
No.233669
Anonymous
>>233666
Maybe, but its a shitty af double standard whenever a minority in the US gets introduced people are always griping about it not being 'introduced naturally' and I just want to have my miss america chavez. She's great. She's good enough.
No.233670
Anonymous
Replies:>>233671
>>233666
>looking like a typical early 1900's WASP was a core part of Superman's concept.
Which is kind of a shame given that despite his official story, everything about Superman makes him make more sense as Jewish than a WASP.
No.233671
Anonymous
Replies:>>233678
>>233670
That was the entire point. He was an analogy for Jews, and part of that was for him to look like a white person but "other" at the same time.
No.233678
Anonymous
>>233671

A similar thing to how Steve Rogers looks like a Nazi's ideal person, which was meant to make it ironic that he was the one going around punching Hitler in the face (his creators were Jewish as well).
No.233768
T4 was here
So hows the new Howard the Duck?
No.233797
Jumpman
Replies:>>233799
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No.233799
Anonymous
>>233797
Is that real because I can't fathom how the new Thoress would actually have something that entertaining in it.
No.233800
Alpharius
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>>233799
I don't know. But I'm fairly sure this one is though.
No.233804
Anonymous
>>233799
Doesn't she sleep with women, isn't that enough?
No.233806
Anonymous
>>233799
Of course it's an edit.
No.233863
Jumpman
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http://www.digitalspy.com/comics/news/a635233/bayonetta-2-director-wants-to-make-spider-gwen-game.html#~p6P6gvpVAEwFRC
No.233871
Anonymous
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>>233863
>Kamiya Marvel games
YES PLEASE
Medusa doing Wicked Weaves when?
No.233872
Anonymous
>>233871
Kamiya is not Hashimoto.
No.233873
Anonymous
>>233863
Crossover with Wonderful 101 when?
No.233907
Anonymous
>>233871
I'd give my left nut for Winter Weaves and Cuhrayzee Ameirca.
No.234180
Jumpman
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Awesome.
No.234184
Anonymous
>>234180
I'm not a big fan of the writing, but good for it.
No.234185
Anonymous
>>234180
The series itself is not very good at all and neither is the way Thoress has been handled, but between its and Kamala's success hopefully more comics will be less afraid of having leading superheroines.
No.234190
Anonymous
Replies:>>234191
>>234180
The previous Thor run didn't have anyone going on The View to drum up sales/controversy, so I don't know how worthwhile a comparison this is, at all.
No.234191
Anonymous
Replies:>>234196
>>234190
...which is another way of saying no one had any reason to give a shit about Thor until recently.
No.234196
Anonymous
Replies:>>234197
>>234191
Which is another way of saying "no one gives a shit about comics that aren't Marvel's STAR WARS"
No.234197
Anonymous
Replies:>>234199
>>234196
Which is another way of saying "The Comics industry is finally learning there's such a thing as Marketing."
No.234199
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>234203
>>234197
Hard not to after watching DC grind it's face against rocks all day everyday since 2011.
No.234203
Anonymous
Replies:>>234210
>>234199

But Midnighter is a openly gay man using a gay dating app and Catwoman is now openly bisexual.

Both which just make me go. "Okay how does this figure into character development or some comic arc that has been on the fringe for the last year?"

Still feels like they are marketing the wrong part of that like with Batwoman when she was announced.
No.234210
Anonymous
>>234203
To which Marvel ranges to fading into the background to creepy stalker personalities. Neither does it really well yet.
No.234215
Anonymous
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>>234180
I really want this to get better and for them to tell us who she is. That mystery isn't really drawing me in and is more annoying than something I care to see revealed. Be weird if its some kinda Mantra (spirit of a man in the body of a woman) thing. That being the spirit of Eric Masterson merged with whomever this person is. One willing to wield the hammer and the other capable of such a thing.
No.234216
Anonymous
>>234215
I like the art, but yeah the comic really needs a new writer or direction. Would've been better if the character was introduced first before wielding the hammer, or if they didn't drag that aspect out so fucking long. It's such a snoozefest.
No.234218
Anonymous
>>234215
This is clearly done with a certain audience in mind. And given sales, I'd say that audience is responding favourably. At this point it doesn't matter how they market it or if I personally like their advertising work. Peeps are voting with their wallets.

but yeah, her as a character could be handled a little better. Hey, if it hits a home run no reason why that can't happen later.
No.234255
Anonymous
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No "MUH PANDERING" nonsense talk, just cripes the dialog could be a bit tighter. Am kinda fearing she'll turn into less well written She Hulk with a Hammer.
No.234258
Anonymous
>>234255
They should have just revealed who she was to the audience rather than keep this big mystery. It doesn't help that the writing keeps going about the whole "she a girl" schtick. It's like they care more that she is a female wielding the hammer of Thor than who the character is. It's Red Hulk all over again.
No.234259
Anonymous
>>234258
According to some that's true and all that matters since its selling the title, for now.
No.234260
Anonymous
>>234255
... The fuck? Titania never had any problem fighting women ever before.
No.234261
Anonymous
>>234260
Exactly, it's pandering out the ass.
No.234263
Anonymous
Replies:>>234267
>>234258
That's why I don't like the new FemThor. It's supposed to be progressive, but the execution turned out to be just what I feared, the most patronizing form of "grrl power" instead. Seriously, it reads just like a bad Mary Sue fanfiction.

Carol Danvers Captain Marvel may be a pile of bland mediocrity, but it does the empowered female schtick much, much better. So do Kamala and Black Widow's new solo, which also have the benefit of being good in general. There's no reason to settle for bad comics just because of the message in them when you could read better ones just because they're less overt about it.
No.234267
Anonymous
Replies:>>234269
>>234263
>Seriously, it reads just like a bad Mary Sue fanfiction.
A shitload of superhero stuff reads just like bad Gary Stu fanfiction. At worst its on par with mediocre stuff. But you know what? It gets a pass from me personally because at the very least its made with the intention of TRYING something new instead of being a re-tread of everything else.

Pandery? Sure. But what isn't.
inb4 thats no excuse
No.234269
Anonymous
Replies:>>234270
>>234267
i dont actually like how theyre all making a such huge deal about her being a girl tho, that i'll admit
No.234270
Anonymous
>>234269
Seriously, all the attention that keeps being brought to her gender like it should still be such a big deal is actually pretty regressive almost to the point of offensiveness IMO. I don't have a problem with the concept, and the art is nice, but calling the writing "on par with mediocre stuff" is being a little generous. The Agent Carter TV series tackled some similar issues with a lot more maturity, so it's not like it can't be done, but Aaron just can't write worth a damn.
No.234272
DudeWithMoney !SFwR6DnH/Y
>>234260

One of the very first things she ever did was beat She-Hulk nearly to death. And then try to do the same to Rogue.

Granted, the character's changed a lot since then, but still, this doesn't read right at ALL.
No.234273
Anonymous
Female Thor reminds me a bit of Jeph Loeb's Supergirl. Let's hope she doesn't sink that low.
No.234286
Anonymous
Replies:>>234288
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/25/measuring-the-state-of-thors-current-worthiness-spoilers/

so what's going to happen.
No.234288
Anonymous
Replies:>>234289
>>234286
Girl Thor will eventually be corrupted by having too much power without the needed humility and Actual Thor will get his hammer back?
No.234289
Anonymous
Replies:>>234299
>>234288
Girl Thor is going to become Movie Thor? That's... not that much of a step up from where she currently is.
No.234297
Anonymous
Replies:>>234298
I don't read thor. But I gotta say
I'm dissappointed in the fact that as a character, they have the whole universe of setting at their disposal

and yet
they're fighting in times square.
I could be wrong.
No.234298
Anonymous
Replies:>>234300
>>234297
The Marvel Universe is basically 98% New York City.

And Feminist Thor ain't gonna matter two shits out in space fighting Brood or whatever, her value as a character demands her to act where Human Women can see her.
No.234299
Anonymous
>>234289
He was pretty good in the first movie, which is what such a plot development would lead to.
No.234300
Anonymous
Replies:>>234324
>>234298
>The Marvel Universe is basically 98% New York City.
Well thats boring. Like, I don't mind for stuff where the setting is the character like with spider-man.

But if you're gonna keep that rule with thor? fuck that.
No.234324
Anonymous
Replies:>>234327
>>234300

Well there was that time when he was in Oklahoma but everyone hated that.

And then there was that time the Avengers were out of the West Coast but everyone hated that.

Pretty much every time heroes aren't in New York sales are middling. So Marvel does the thing that sells. It sucks but that's what happens when you have a business making comics and not a single author/artist.
No.234327
Anonymous
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>>234324
I really liked Thor and Family hanging out in the American Heartland. We got William the Warrior out of that Who Kelda waits for still.

I like it when things get changed up. I always find change interesting. Guess that makes me an anomaly in comic reading circles.
No.234372
Anonymous
Replies:>>234374
http://www.newsarama.com/23947-axel-alonso-says-x-men-will-have-new-world-post-secret-wars.html

The mutants are getting their own universe.
No.234374
Anonymous
Replies:>>234383
>>234372
About time, though I'm thinking this new multiverse will eventually just end up the way Heroes Reborn did and become undone.
No.234383
Anonymous
>>234374
Well Logan for one won't stay put once he gets back in the game. Be funny if Deadpool tries to go with them, and gets kicked out.
No.234385
Anonymous
Replies:>>234386
>>234383
"Awh enjoy it while it lasts! It'll get retconned in a month!"
No.234386
Anonymous
>>234385
Deadpool knows the game, he can see the great pattern.
No.234660
Jumpman
http://www.businessinsider.com/its-astonishing-how-far-disney-is-going-to-bury-the-x-men-2015-4

At least the series has a good home at Fox, with the upcoming Apocalypse and Deadpool films.
No.234662
The Sneaky Tiki
>>234383
Isn't he still "dead"?
No.234685
Jumpman
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/44959/20150408/comixologys-recent-marvel-sale-had-7-female-led-comics-in-its-top-10.htm

Cool. This is a great example of the digital market helping to expand the comic book audience.
No.234688
Anonymous
>>234685
>Ms Marvel
Yay!
>Silk
Boooo. I'm tired of people extolling her simply because she's "WOC" despite all the bad writing and the fact that she's a borderline rapist with those pheromone powers. Being Asian and female myself, she's not the kind of character I'd be proud of. Maybe she's better now that Slott's not writing her, though Supernatural isn't a particularly sterling resume either.
>Thor
Also boo, but with Mark Waid penning the new Avengers, hopefully he'll be for her what Joe Kelly was to Deadpool.
>all-female Avengers
I have mixed feelings about the lineup, but since G. Willow Wilson is working on it I'm looking forward to it.
No.234690
Anonymous
>>234685
Is A-Force really going to be the name they're going with? Cuz it reminds me of Gatchaman. It's not an obnoxious name choice though, unless it turns out A stands for "Amazon".
No.234815
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>234816
>everyone is Gwen

http://www.comicosity.com/marvel-announces-gwen-variant-month/
No.234816
Anonymous
>>234815
>Brian Michael Gwendis
kek
Though in seriousness these are pretty cool and she would legit make a better Thor than the current one.
No.235012
Jumpman
Replies:>>235014
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http://comicsalliance.com/miles-morales-waid-asrur-all-new-all-different-avengers/

I can't believe I'm just now hearing about this. This is a solid lineup of characters and writer/artists at helm. Also, fuck yeah! Miles is free from the Ultimate Universe!
No.235013
Anonymous
Replies:>>235017
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In other Marvel news: Ugh. Just ugh. Even if I was behind "Iceman is Gay" this is clearly not the way to out a gay character.
No.235014
Anonymous
>>235012
>America Chavez on the team
Why? We already got Falcon on the team, no need for another patriot-themed hero.
>giving Tony Stark a boyfriend
Fuck no that would strike of tokenism, especially when the current team has been trying its damn hardest to avoid that.
No.235017
Anonymous
>>235013
To be fair Iceman has had gay rumors for decades, so if any of the more famous X-Men it would've been him. Still though aside from the crummy execution I'm uncomfortable with how it rehashes the garbage a lot of gay biphobes like to say, even if it's clear that's not what they intended.
No.235026
Anonymous
>>235017
>Jean blows him off by telling him he's full gay.

Money on that being part of the reason she said that.
No.235030
Anonymous
>>235017
I'd have been fine with bi. But this is basically that page with the Watcher telling Squirrel Girl she beat the for real Thanos, but with Jean telling Bobby he's pure gay and without it being a joke.

As is, it means all the straight romances he's had- Most of which we've had access to his thoughts during, were the product of desperate self deception, and wholly invalidated.

Personally, it sets him up to be on the level of one of those gay bashing politicians that eventually gets caught having a gay affair. It permanently and almost fundamentally hurts the character.


But then again, this is the same franchise that is apparently trying to redeem Bishop after having him kick every puppy ever on the way to villainy.
No.235034
Anonymous
overall i'm just confused since I thought he was gay for a while now.
No.235035
Anonymous
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Nnnnope, art's still not doing it for me.
No.235040
Anonymous
>>235035
I'm enjoying Galactus calling Thanos a tool though.
No.235041
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
>>235035

Dislike the art, like the writing.
No.235042
Anonymous
>>235035
Christ, that middle panel. Awful

The writing is cute though
No.235043
Anonymous
>>235035
She looks sort of cute in the left one. Then it goes the window in the middle one. I know that's supposed to be part of her suit but it makes her face look lopsided. Rhymin' Galactus makes me feel weird things.
No.235046
Anonymous
Replies:>>235059
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/in-your-face-jam-about-that-gay-iceman-scene
It's entirely possible the scene was intentionally awful and Jean said that to Bobby because she was just being an asshole. Apparently there's more to be said on this subject so we'll just have to wait and see a little.
No.235050
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>235493
You know what I always thought would be a Cool Superhero team? Hawkeye(after becoming deaf) or Maya Lopez, Daredevil and T'challa Udaku (The mute version of black panther though granted he's from the Ultimates universe) or Mute who was also Wakandan but despite being a bad guy hasn't been used in like 35 years so you could retool him pretty easy.

Like a No Evil team, See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil.
No.235059
Anonymous
>>235046
Man that is... still pretty shitty? Just in another direction. There's no good way to frame this scene.
No.235071
Jumpman
Replies:>>235072
http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/23/8486213/marvel-telltale-games-partnership

Interesting.
No.235072
The Sneaky Tiki
>>235071
That explains Telltale's recent hiring push as well, I hope they either focus on series and characters that aren't getting much coverage in the cinematic universe.
No.235395
Anonymous
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Wow, it's fucking nothing.

She is the new Rulk
No.235398
Anonymous
>>235395
Well, that's one mystery solved with an inevitably unsatisfying end. Now we just need to learn what Fury whispered to Thor. Any guesses?

"It's YOUR fault Thor: The Mighty Avenger was cancelled."
No.235403
Anonymous
I just feel a sort of bored disdain for anyone that still pays for marvel comics.
No.235404
The Sneaky Tiki
>>235403
That's what flabbergasts me about DC, at least Marvel has the explanation of Movies.
No.235405
Anonymous
>>235404
Totally I'm not supporting one over the other or anything, just mentioned marvel since this was a marvel thread and I used to care more about their heroes I guess.
No.235406
Jumpman
Replies:>>235407
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>>235403
Why? Outside of Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel is publishing some good shit lately. I'm personally enjoying how Marvel has been diversifying its lineup with more female heroes, better costume designs and alternate art styles that lean towards cartoony.

>>235404
As shocking as this may be, I feel quite the opposite, as Marvel Studios movies are usually mediocre. (Which always gets me crucified.)
No.235407
Mr. Stone !zWb42fBPMM
Replies:>>235408
>>235406

With the exceptions of Winter Soldier and GOTG, Phase Two was rather mediocre (and yes I'm including Age of Ultron in that, and I liked Age of Ultron).

I think by Phase Three's end, I'll probably be as burnt out on superhero flicks as a lot of film critics seem to be these days.
No.235408
Jumpman
>>235407
>I think by Phase Three's end, I'll probably be as burnt out on superhero flicks as a lot of film critics seem to be these days.

I'm sorta there already. Forgive me for going off topic here, but regardless of personal opinions towards Marvel and DC movies, we've already seen what they're capable of. I doubt the next film from either of them will subvert expectations that they've already established.
No.235478
Anonymous
>>235395
So the thing Fury said that rustled his jimmies was "Thor will kill Jane Foster."

And so Thor doesn't want to be Thor because of that. But Then Jane becomes Thor and that somehow makes her cancer worse?
No.235480
Anonymous
are the thor comics good anyway?

Like, do they actually use the potential fantasy setting to their advantage?
No.235482
The Sneaky Tiki
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>>235480
My God yes, read Jack Kirby's Thor.
No.235484
Anonymous
>>235480
>are the thor comics good anyway?

Almost always, outside of like, the mid 90s which where pretty bad.


>Like, do they actually use the potential fantasy setting to their advantage?

All the damn time.
No.235491
Anonymous
>>235395
I've been not reading Thor since like, JMS.

Why is Sif such a bitch to the Thors in this issue?
No.235492
Anonymous
>>235480
Walt Simonson's run on Thor is phenomenal.
No.235493
Anonymous
>>235050
Would be cool, but shouldn't one of them be blind to round it out? Daredevil's probably too busy.
No.235494
Anonymous
>>235395
>Rulk
Whoa whoa whoa she's pretty bad but I wouldn't go that far.
No.235495
Anonymous
>>235494
I don't know. Both books spent months building up their main as better than the best ever, while withholding their utterly obvious secret identities
No.235497
T4 was here
>>235494
So has he got his awesome-stasch back yet?
No.235595
Anonymous
>>235482
Crazy space/techno-fantasy Asgard is the best Asgard.
No.235780
T4 was here
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When you see it~
No.235812
T4 was here
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/kamala-khans-first-animation-appearance-confirmed-for-avengers-ultron-revolution
Good on them.
No.235852
T4 was here
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Yes, thats the status que I want for Spidy!
Gleeeeee~
No.235859
Anonymous
Replies:>>235886
Guys I think he theads dead.
No.235886
Anonymous
>>235859
Nah, the post number is just past the bump limit.