/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>arrive home
>package from Archie waiting for me
Weird, I didn't order anything
>It's eight digests and two issues of Afterlife with Archie
>I never read Archie
>Everything has "Priority" marked on it
Someone is very sad right now.

>>232688
Is it your Archie Humble Bundle.

>>232721
Woah that was actual physical copies?

>>232721
Huh, didn't even know there was an Archie Humble Bundle. No, it's not that and these are just straight Archie (character) comics, no Sonic/Mega Man.

>>232722
Pretty sure they're just digital.

This doesn't look good. At all. I'm betting part of this is Sonic Boom's fault.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sega-to-axe-300-jobs-as-focus-turns-to-pc-and-mobi/1100-6424996/

>>232862
Looks good to me, it's been obvious for like, a decade that Sega needed refocusing.

>>232862
About friggin time. Their Sonic games should have had consequences since Sonic 06 but it never did just because some dumbass kids still bought it.

>>232867
>>232863
How does this look good? This means NO MORE CONSOLE SONIC GAMES. That means that rumored PS4 sequel to Sonic Generations isn't gonna happen now.

>>232870
> That means that rumored PS4 sequel to Sonic Generations isn't gonna happen now.

That was a pathetic fanboy's dream anyway.
Sega is better off just focusing in Sonic games for the 3DS. Better to have small successes than huge failures.

>>232872
I think when they're talking about console games they're including handhelds. They don't just mean the home systems. It's a shitty situation, just another step of Sega's slow descent into bankruptcy.

>>232875
>Sega's slow descent into bankruptcy

This is something I wouldn't mind happening. I mean I know it means the loss of a ton of jobs (and let's be honest, the only bad things Sega really makes is Sonic and Aliens, besides that they're pretty damn good) but I think it's for the good of everyone that Sega, as a game developer, dies. I mean they don't even have 900k in the bank. It's Sega Sammy that has all the money back in Japan with all the pachinko machines and such.

>>232876
Personally, I'd rather not see say, Relic, bounce off into ownership limbo again.

>>232876
>"and let's be honest, the only bad things Sega really makes is Sonic and Aliens"

uh

Sega's published two Alien games in the past few years, only one of which was developed by a Sega-owned studio. (The Creative Assembly) The one NOT developed by one of their studios was shit. The one done by The Creative Assembly was actually pretty good.

>>232875
>just another step of Sega's slow descent into bankruptcy.

Sega, or Sega-Sammy to be precise, is nowhere near bankruptcy. It's Sega of America that's pulling in the low funds. Hence, the reconstruction.

>>232870
Sega will still make console games. No where it Sega's PR statement does it say it will give up making console games. It only states Sega will focus more on PC and mobile. The focus on digital games isn't even new. Sega only had a handful of retail games in 2014, while the rest was available digitally.

This article explains the situation better:

http://www.tssznews.com/2015/01/30/10-reasons-sonic-sega-are-not-dead/

I'm more entertained by my Archie double digest subscription than I thought I'd be.
I stopped collecting them because I had read so many of them that they were starting to have nothing new to offer.
But they're making really deep cuts now, so it's all new to me.
I can't remember them ever putting Wilbur comics in.

fuck

http://www.sonicretro.org/2015/02/sonic-videos-on-youtube-getting-copyright-claims-from-elicense/

>>232955
Elicense was doing it independently, so with a dispute it sounds like videos can have their stuff still up. I'm not sure what the point is for a company to do this if they're not being paid by someone else for it. A single troll, sure, but what would eLicense get out of this?

>232955
>232975
Sega's already stepped in, and eLicense has removed most/all claims against people. Problem's over.

>>233059

//youtube.com/watch?v=L_gZ8ayDH4w
From 00:22 to 01:37

If sega runs out of money then a company with more respect for their ips can make sonic games. I'm all for Super Sonic 3d world.

>>233059
What the hell is this supposed to be exactly?

>>233091
Sega isn't gonna run out of money, they never will. If that hadn't merged with Sammy they might have but as it is, they're pretty stable unless that merge is split in the future.

Though if Nintendo had Sega, it'd give them access to a SHITLOAD of new IPs, not just Sonic. Seriously, look at how many franchises Nintendo has versus Sega. It doesn't even compare.

>>233093
More like 1994. This insults Donkey Kong, Reboot AND Beast Wars.

>>233094
Lemme make a guess... XxDarkbloodxX the Cyber Echidna or something.

>>233091
If you think combining Sonic's running and the camera angles from Mario 3D World is a good idea, then I'm glad you don't make game.

Even at the running speed of Mario this game killed you with stupid camera angles. While it's a great game, it's biggest flaw was "3D disadvantages over 2D in platform games 101".

>>233098
I believe this is Knuckles, renamed "The Praetorian" to avoid copyright and redesigned by the 12-year-old version of Ken Penders suffering from anaphylactic shock after touching his first hedgehog.

Curious as to "Kevin Knowles", I looked him up: apparently this is the guy producing the CGI work for Penders. I never noticed the name before.

>>233095
>Though if Nintendo had Sega, it'd give them access to a SHITLOAD of new IPs, not just Sonic.
>Nintendo produces a new Skies of Arcadia game, developed by Monolith Soft
I cannot possibly throw enough money at the screen right now.

>>233116
>Panzer Dragoon Adventures
Well that would've made a fuckload more sense than whatever the hell they shoehorned Starfox into.

So this guy named Cirocco Jones has decided to pull a Ken Penders and sue Sega directly over Sonic 3's music.

http://www.sonicretro.org/2015/02/regarding-sonic-3-guest-post-by-stealth/

>>233133
Sonic 3's music always had complexities in its history. Maybe once they figure it out they'll be able to rerelease the game.

>>233137
>Axl

YES

>deadly six

NO

>>233137
You know what, I actually like both. They were decent characters that had the misfortune to debut in incredibly shitty games.

>>233142
God no, Deadly Six were terrible characters. Their entire concept is so cliche it's embarrassing, and you learn nothing about them beyond their one-dimensional personalities.

Axl on the other hand had depth and potential, and brought a much-needed fun element to the X series. He's one of those characters Ian would have a field day writing for.

>>233171
THIS IS THE GREATEST COVER IN ARCHIE HISTORY

Is every single maverick going to be there the way every single robot master was.

>>233174
Dang, how much more can 9 covers cover?

>>233423
My experience with these companies is that there's no way they want my money enough to make Breath of Fire, Viewtiful Joe, and Okami comics.

>>233423
Look at all the dead series...

I'm not sure if Ian still comes to this site, but if he ever does the X series I hope he keeps in mind the localization changes, like how originally in the Japanese version of X2 Serges comments about Dr. Light when you beat him, which has lead to people thinking he's Wily in a robot body, Sigma himself in X5 heavily implies he met Wily, and the X-Hunters would have to have some understanding of Zero's body to rebuild it or how in X5 when you get Black Armor Zero they say that Light can't make armors for Zero but can enhance his abilities somehow, but really Light talks about releasing the power that sleeps in Zero in the Japanese version, which fits with the story narrative of Sigma trying to awaken Zero to his true self

And extra background stuff like Alia being smart enough to make a (not as good) copy of X's armor from X4 for him to use in X5, as well as repair his X5 armor to a point for X6, which is something seeing as they point out in X's ending in X5 that due to X and Zero being unanalyzeable it's very hard to repair them, so I would think it would be the same for X's armors.

There's also the fact that the games themselves never tell you the fact that Iris and Colonel were made a one robot, but split due to them not being compatible.

>>233431
Viewtiful Joe and Okami? Ian, shame on you. That money is gonna go to Capcom, not Clover.

>>233432
Hurry, someone tell Kamiya!

>>233431
SKIES OF ARCADIA?! IT'S HAPPENING?

>>233438

Someone already did.

>>233431
Checklist:
Megaman
Sonic the Hedgehog
Megaman X
Sonic Boom
Street Fighter
Skies of Arcadia
Viewtiful Joe
Alex Kidd
Ghouls 'n' Ghost
NIGHTS
Breath of Fire
Golden Axe
Okami
Billy Hatcher
Monster Hunter
Panzer Dragoon

Why don't they just add Comix Zone, Bionic Commando, Vector Man and Dino Crisis and just call it Sega vs. Capcom: Development Hell breaks loose.

>>233431
NO FUCKING WAY

Before I was very meh about Worlds Unite, now I am officially fucking hype.

>>233477
And I really hope this leads to Ian at least getting a mini series for Skies of Arcadia, because he said he really wants to, and I really want him to.

>>233486
We should all send in fan art and letters praising the Skies of Arcadia characters when the miniseries comes out to make Archie and Sega see the amount of love the series still has.

We're never going to be seeing Dante in this crossover are we?

>>233493
He'd be hilariously out of place.

If your favorite series isn't represented, don't worry and remember; there's always next year! And the year after that, and the year after that...

Well if Ryu is in then all bets are off, make a deal with whoever's keeping Battle Network to themselves.

I really hope we see Ecco. Ecco never gets love in these mass Sega things

>>233516

I'm sure eventually Archie will realize diminishing returns are a thing.

>>233427
Oh my God shut up.

>>233520
That was one of the biggest problems of 90s comics, so there's absolutely no way Kaminski would learn why it's a problem.

>>233520
Bigger comic book companies haven't.

That said this crossover looks like it could kick ass, I can't wait to see all that.

Wow, Sonic boom was literally the death of Sega and still somehow the corpse of Sonic continues shambling fourth.

>Wow, Green Lantern was literally the death of DC and still somehow the corpse of cape comics continues shambling fourth.

>>233557
Sonic 2006 proved that a bad game can't kill a franchise. Unleashed proved that one bad game doesn't destroy all of a series' good will. It's not like it was Resident Evil 6.

>>233557
I dunno about that, the cartoon is still going strong.
//youtube.com/watch?v=d_pf1tjvDxQ

>>233566

Well when you air new episodes during school hours the bar is set pretty damn low.

>>233561
Replace "green Lantern" with "New 52" and you are pretty much correct, but Sega is actually dead.

>>233564

http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/fans-mourn-segas-exit-from-the-console-video-game-market


>>233566
Of course, it's an indestructible franchise.
http://www.destructoid.com/sonic-team-lead-plans-to-continue-making-sonic-for-consoles-288426.phtml

>>233576
Ahh, I apologize then.

>>233574

Talkin' about Green Lantern the movie, which was a box office bomb that failed to make its money back, not the Nu52, which was a commercial success because cape-comic fans are idiots.

But will the crossover have Space Channel 5??
//youtube.com/watch?v=F3GZDq8RSdw

https://soundcloud.com/itsamike/boom-shadow?fb_action_ids=10152703861211569&fb_action_types=og.shares

Someone please, PLEASE, make a animation to go with this.

>>233795
Wait, isn't he the biggest idiot ever?

>>233792
Some of the variants this time around have been alright (or fantastic in a couples' case) but man that policy is really collapsing in on them. Eight variants for one issue, five for another, one for EVERY issue, and maybe half deserve the effort put into them. Now they're dropping from boring or pointless to outright awful.

>>233792
Ron Lim?

>>233792
Jeez. If I didn't know any better, I would of through that was a preview for a Megaman/Walking Dead crossover.

It'd be awesome if the Seha Girls were in this too

>>234065
Why the hell does it have three writers

>>234071
Well either it's a collab or it's three stories. Use your brain.

>>234102
It's being worked on by many hands

>>234113
Don't you scare me like that

http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/giant-bomb-mailbag-lil-booty-edition/2300-10039/

//youtube.com/watch?v=c_qwvGAnlFs

>>234509
Man those videos are full of annoying assholes.

was not expecting avp to be so gory. no warning on the cover or nothing. Is Cheryl really dead or was that some other mutilated body?

I hope that Honey makes more appearances. She's a fun character.

>>235079
Yeah Honey and Breezy are great new (old) characters. I don't want to see them spammed, but I do want to see them again and in some new situations as they both are versatile and enjoyable. The comic can use a bunch more characters if they're up to the par we've seen so far.

>>234890
>Is Cheryl really dead

Cheryl and Jason are very dead.

>>235556
That is so surreal. Seeing mundane ol' Archie, but with murder and gore.

>>235559
Ronnie got a shower. This series goes into the bundle I'll buy that also love that Zombie ribbing.

>>235785
It was renewed for a 2nd season, so it'll be around for a while. And really I think the Boom comic was doomed to fail because it was too goofy and plot-less. That's great for TV format, not so much for monthly comic books.

>>235785
To the surprise of absolutely no one.

Wait, is the Sonic Boom comic part of Worlds United? I hope not.

>>235788
It is but its inclusion is oddly not that bad. It doesn't use any of the main cast, just some side characters.

>>235788
Where you've been for the last 4 months? It was common knowledge that SB comic was part of the World United. But really, they are just using Sticks, because have two Sonics and such would of been a mess on top of all having Megaman and X characters too.

>>235787
Well hell, Sonic X lasted 40 issues and that was pretty much the same thing.

>>235785
>The stories and characters will continue in our other books

Why? Just drop the whole thing. Nobody cares.

>>235794
I like Sticks...
Also
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/new-mega-man-animated-tv-799346

>>235794

Archie already paid for like two years worth of stories.

Might as well use them to pad out reprint magazines cause that's where they're going.

>>235951
Well it already had atlest one manga so why not.

>>235951
I would love it, if just because MH has a surprisingly in-depth world that you never really get to see in the games. If it turned out like the manga though, I'd rather they just not bother.

>>235979
How was the manga? People never really talk about it, I've noticed.

>>236122
Awful. Even Darkwing Duck did that one better.

>>236455

This isn't Capcom's fault, it's Archies.

>>236456
Column A and B on this one.

Archie is like, "Why should we put out something for a dead series.

>>236458
Aren't they super broke now because they had to cancel their kickstarter.

>>236459
Yes, that's the likely real reason for this. Anon just needs to blame Capcom for this somehow, let him wallow in his bitterness.

>>236459

And Paul rang up a massive licensing bill for Worlds Unite's 12 other properties to pay SEGA, Capcom, Capcom of USA and UDON.

Kinda put a giant red target on the Archie Action line up, and Ian's mentioned in prior interviews the executives were not happy with Mega Man's performance so yeah.

While they may use the word "hiatus" as much as they want in their PR it's pretty obvious it ain't coming back.

>>236461
>Anon just needs to blame Capcom for this somehow, let him wallow in his bitterness.

To be fair, it's not entirely unwarranted. If the book doesn't sell, it's because Capcom doesn't put out a goddamn thing, leading kids to not know what the fuck a Mega Man is.

>>236454
I'm upset we won't be seeing certain arcs come to be, but reaching 50+ issues is still pretty respectable for a licensed book, especially with comic sales not nearly being what they used to be. Just trying to look on the bright side. I'm happy we had a western Mega Man comic last even this long.

>>236504
The book sold as well as Sonic Universe, so it was doing quite well.

>>236518
Actually, Ian has stated in interviews that the big wigs weren't happy with its sales.

>>236520
That is surprising, considering it would be considered healthy sales for DC/Marvel.

>>236523

They don't have to pay themselves licensing fees. Also they aren't in as bad a financial position as Archie is presently.

Only reason Sonic's survived is because it's been a consistent bread winner. The fact they axed Boom despite not only selling well but being associated with a fairly successful cartoon really highlights the fact they're only gonna be doing things that are low cost and high reward.

Which again goes to prove this "hiatus" is just a cancellation with no official end date.

>Catching up on some issues.
Big is still the best character.
I loved the reference to the massive amount of variant covers.
I know that Battles uses different artists for each battle, but it seems unfinished/janky. For instance, Page 1, Panel 5, Rock seems to be only half colored. Of course, that story doesn't list anyone for Colors or Inks. Bates is listed as "Artist", so I assume he had to do all three roles where the other two story had different people.

>>236523

No, they wouldn't. Sonic/Mega Man sells way below where DC/Marvel Universe books get cancelled. They sell about the same as DC/Marvel's kid books and the less popular digital-first books.

>>236719
They sell less than 10,000 at LCS's from Diamond, but the majority of Archie's sales for those books aren't through Diamond. They sell in the 30-50 range, which is at minimum a good 10k over DC and Marvel's cancellation line.

Here a theory!

What if Capcom is taking back license because off the new cartoon.

It could get comics too and CN may not want to share or whatever.

>>236720

Bullshit.

>>236725
And for Mega Man, I thought it was doing better, but its average is 21k. So actually yeah, that one would be dangerously close to cancellation for DC, and probably cancelled for Marvel. But as Archie is neither, that's still impressive. Its statement of ownership was in issue 46.

>>236724
Those aren't sales. That's a print run.

Make sure to email megaman@archiecomics.com to let them know how you feel about this cancellation.

>>236730

What's the point the damage is already done the contract was for five years and they're cancelling it five months early. No amount of complaining is gonna make them renew a dead horse property at this point.

>>236731
It's a good thing no one's overreacting to the hiatus.

>>236731

> No amount of complaining is gonna make them renew a dead horse property at this point.

Clearly you're new to the Mega Man fandom.

>>236753

So how'd 10000 strong go again? That's right nothing fucking happened like nothing will happen now.

//youtube.com/watch?v=ysRg2l3S4wk

>>236878

I guarantee you these gimmicky Archie crossovers are some of their best sellers.

>>236908
Probably. Oh, another digest where Jugghead eats a lot and Betty and Veronica have a rivalry? Yeah, no. A one-shot where Archie fights off flying sharks, or the gang has to survive an encounter with Freddy Krueger? Sure, I'll pay $4 for that.

>>236921

Ye Gods. I mean, all power to him for following his dream and all that shit, but I wouldn't even wipe my ass with that art.

>>236921
I love the random black guy for no reason.

>>236922
>all power to him for following his dream and all that shit

You dare praise this man, after proving himself to be a total lunatic?

A subscription to Archie Double Digest made me realize there aren't actually as many digests as it seems, they'll just do special editions that have completely different cover titles (but in the same numbering) whenever they feel like it.

//youtube.com/watch?v=j6mzBjFtcBc

>>237412
What the fuck happened to this series?

>>237418
All their parody crossover books are just pure carnage. Just about everyone is dead early on.

>>237394
Boom cartoon finding the groove taking the shit out of itself?

>>237430
I don't remember the Punisher crossover being particularly violent.

Predator crossover was fucking brutal though, it was actually a little hard to read after a while.

>>237430
Especially Sabrina.
She has a tendency to die really early before she has a chance to fix everything with magic.

>>237449

Which is a nice way of getting rid of that Deus Ex Machina and letting shit go nuts.

>>237438

Yeah, but that one was from 1994, it had kind of a different purpose compared to these.

You know, I just remembered something. I've been reading Archie's Sonic comics since I was a kid. Sometime after Endgame my local Wal Mart stopped stocking comics, and thus, Archie Sonic.

Now, like most kids, I had that one friend who would always lie about crap...I've actually had more than one of those...he'd steal stuff, too, the asshole.

Whatever, he fed me this bit that the Sonic comics had ended already, and got really bloody after issue 60 or so. Since I couldn't get them anymore, I took him at face value. So it's kinda hilarious in hindsight that there are genuinely gory Archie comics now.

(-and that Ian Flynn got his start by writing a overblown highly melodramatic and gory Sonic fan-comic.)

>>237452
Good number of places stopped stocking comics in the late 90s early 2000s because of the convoluted system diamond created with their monopoly too expensive for a run.

>>237460
I thought Diamond was only involved in the specialty market.

>>237472
Nah, Marvel and DC attempted to do their own distribution in the '90s and that all fell apart and Diamond swooped in to take over the game. Diamond has a monopoly on distribution of the major comics so it makes it near impossible for the smaller shops and such nowadays to get a good price on a comic run. Its been brought to the attention of the government who won't do anything about it since its "just comics"

>>237494
For more info watch S.F Debis Rise and Fall of the comic empire series.

>>237532
I've been watching SF Debris, it's a nice overview of the business back-end of the Chrome Age that goes some way to explain why the era turned into a multilateral clusterfuck for comics in general.

I'm kind of out of the loop on Archie Comics (being British and everything), but I had the impression that they'd bucked a lot of industry trends precisely because they didn't disappear down the specialty market black hole and still have their comics stocked on supermarket shelves. Or am I mistaken?

>>237571
Digests are nice and small, stockable alongside other checkoutside digest racks.

I've decided the best place to start reading Archie Sonic is no longer 160, but rather 223. It's before any of the Genesis arcs, and has a fresh start that the reader doesn't need to know much backstory on. The most they'd need to know is Geoffrey is a bad guy that exists and the fact that NICOLE was taken over by a computer beforehand. Plus you get to see a lot of the original characters before the Penderocalypse happens.

>>237598
Scratch that, actually.

http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8391

Man I just caught up with the series, what the hell happened to the art in the post-WC stuff? It looks awful.

>>237767
Unless you mean the middle of WU or Jerry Gaylord's one issue you're full of shit.

>>237789
Well, ok. Not really shit. But I'm not a fan of Evan Stanley's art style at all compared to Bates, Peppers or Yardley.

>>237790
Those three are still around (Bates a little less so). Tyson Hesse and Diana Skelly are great if you like things a little more on the cartoony expressive side, and Jen Hernandez's stuff is really cute.

>>237791
Yeah, and Evan Stanley has massively improved. Her first issues before Worlds Collide were a perfect example that just because you're a decent illustrator doesn't mean you know anything about sequential art. Overall the art has actually improved, since Butler's almost never used anymore.

Jerry Gaylord's issue really was terrible and Worlds Unite has loads of awful art though. It's just not the norm.

I think some members of the Bumbleking forums are legitimately autistic.

>>237806
Properties that are aimed at younger audiences, but get large older followings, seem to have that a lot. Not that it means all non-age-bracket fans are autistic, but there's something that seems to increase the apparent amount of autistic people. Sonic, MLP, etc.

>>237806
They're just dumb kids mostly. Some have huge sticks up their ass, but at the end of the day they're not that terrible.

>>237815
I checked their age ratings though, and they tend to be in their 20s.

>>237816
That is surprising and disheartening, but still just a bunch of dumb adults then.

>>237806
Is that why they actually think that Sonic never shows emotion? They can't read faces?

>>237819
No that guy is just a dick who loves to complain. A lot of them just parrot each other without really thinking about whether it's true, they just want to be victims so they're ready to believe anything people tell them.

I'm wondering if I'm one of those bothersome kids...

>>237806
And some of them behave like they came straight out of /v/ and don't understand why everyone is upset about them acting like total douchebags.

Whenever you talk about Sonic, and ESPECIALLY when you're talking about the comic, you're going to run into a lot of autism. That's a feature and not a bug. I think a lot of us are spoiled by having such a good community here.

//youtube.com/watch?v=QiCse-AHW-M

What Megaman trades are out now, I thought I had a bunch on pre-order but it's been a really long time since I've seen any.
Am I up to date with 8?

>>238845

Yes you're up to date, Mega Man is more than a year behind in its trade releases.

Doubt Archie will finish them before the license expires.

>>238853
But what if I want to read what I haven't seen yet?

>>238854

As of right now you're only other alternative is back issues. It's probably gonna stay that way.

Incidentally Mega Man volume 10 just had a delay announced today.

>>238854
>>238860
Comixology is an option, too.

>>238928
Shadow is lame as fuck

He's like the most cliche OC given canon form

>>238929
But what came first, the shadow or the OCs.

>>238930
Sonic fan recolours existed before Sonic Adventure.

I never understood the argument that Shadow is just a lame recolor. Yes, he is a hedgehog. That automatically would make him a recolor since he is of the same species. But even though he's a hedgehog, he's made to look as far different from Sonic as possible. And him looking like Sonic is important to the central plot and theme of the game he debuts in, rather than coming out of nowhere. And the whole "dark rival who has the same powers as the protagonist" trope has existed since comics first began.

>>238929
>Shadow is lame as fuck
All the better for him to be the only one in Sonic Boom's cartoon to take himself super seriously.
Shadow, the Hedgehog so troubled not even the Gogobas can make him feel sorry for anyone but himself.