/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

Oh yeah, old thread: >>227247

Just got Mega Man yesterday myself. It's pretty good, but X really needs a bump in the rating. It's a little sanitized, and made worse by Jamal Peppers' bad action shots. Good issue overall still, and Cossack and Wily's relationship is very interesting.

>>229709
//youtube.com/watch?v=1MOSdUF9t3w

Also here's some PAX footage of Sonic Boom for anyone interested

>>229759
If you mean the reprint graphic novels, Archie's apparently been having a lot of scheduling issues with those lately. Best guess is they had a major printing issue a few months ago and had to push everything back to compensate.

>>229760

Even so they delayed 7 and 9, but NOT 8.

That doesn't make sense.

>>229763
...Well then that's just plain weird.

So... Crossover is over. That certainly was a thing!

It was the kind of story you know they could have just done in two parts but got stretched to four because TRADES.

>>229793
It was alright. Not an amazing pitch for X, and not an amazing story for Mega Man, but it was a decent story which used the time to set up other, better things. Waves of Change and Chaos Chaper too both were alright, not amazing but enjoyable little stories. The book is definitely in more of a buildup phase, despite the whole Unleashed world-shattered status quo. Hopefully when we get to Mega Man 3 or Sonic's after-werehog arc or SU's next arc, there'll be less constant exposition and more room to breathe.

So with this DCMA thing going on in regular /co/, does that mean we will never again have another ride?

>>229796
Only if Archie submits one and uses the most popular scans to put them in the hash table.

Would Penders be able to sue if we posted old Archie issues he wrote?

>>229807
Who would he sue? He could get the mods to take it down, but 4chan's not really liable as long as they pretend not to support that behavior.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/03/archies-sonic-the-hedgehog-comics-to-feature-sega-tie-ins

>>229809
While I'm happy this is a thing, Boom is looking up to be the biggest failure since Sonic 06.

>>229810
Yes, I have seen nothing that says "good Sonic game". I would be quite happy to be proven wrong, but anyone who got sucked into the Sonic Cycle on this one deserves whatever disappointment they get.

>>229814
I don't think the Sonic Cycle applies this time. This has looked bad from the very beginning. Pretty much every Sonic fan I know knew this would be bad from the moment they saw the four shadows pic.

>>229796

Wait, go back a bit. What? You can't storytime on /co/ anymore?

>>229824
Threads can be taken down by DMCA, though that is mainly for /b/ and people positing nudie celeb stuff

>>229824
There's no rule saying that, but now companies can submit images to have blocked from posting, meaning that Marvel/DC/etc. could submit known scans of comics to shut down story-timing.

I'm sure that there would be one hell of a game of catch-up if someone decided to modify images to get around the block.

Oh my Christ, 4chan has ContentID now?

>>229832
it's had contentid for a long time, the forbidden image database mostly was for cp though

>>229795
This picture always bothers me

because anything but blobfeet on a Sonic character looks wrong. Except the 3-toed thing Nicole had going on. That or Blob-feet, anything else doesn't work.

>>229838
I'm the opposite. The toe-less design is off-putting in general if the character is flesh. Sega's blob-foot thing just seems lazy and weird.

>>229838
I dunno, natural paw-looking feet are significantly less creepy to me than the more anthromorphicized ellipsoid-with-toes pic I've seen in a lot of fanart (not sure if done in canon).

>>229868
>not sure if done in canon
I'm pretty sure it has been, especially during the "dark years", and the five toe thing just seemed unnatural to me then. I'll have to look through my back issues to see if I can figure out which issues they showed feet...

>>229868
Old Archie had a mix of humanoid feet (creepy realistic detail) cartoony feet, and blob feet.

New Archie is just blob feet.

>>229876
Just because it's how the games do it doesn't mean it's good.

I mean most cartoon characters, especially animals have cartoonish 4-finger hands. Sonic characters have realistically proportioned human 5-finger hands. And yet have blob feet. It's really, really weird. I know they never take their shoes off in the games, but it's still really uncanny.

>>229876
Blob feet work oddly well with sandals for Sonic characters. It doesn't work when they're totally barefoot, but with sandals it looks pretty right.

>>229877
>Just because it's how the games do it doesn't mean it's good.
I don't think that was the implication. The Archie books now adhere far more strictly to game canon and design (was the design a SEGA thing?), which will include blob feet. Thankfully, we are probably going to have few situations where there wouldn't be shoes, and those that do arise will likely obstruct the feet with something.

>>229882
>>229883
...I thought those were sandals+socks (Muttski) and shoes (Pearly).

>>229878
Only because with the straps, it looks more like a shoe and thus more natural.

>>229877

This comic comes to mind: http://emeraldcoastcomics.net/Sonic_Eggs/issue2/Page-8.eggs

>>229887
I didn't think anything about his feet, actually. Nor the others until they were pointed out. I'm sure there are plenty more examples of bare feet that I missed/mistook.

>>229891
Then you would agree that its not as bad as you thought and you just thought itw as weird, because you're imagining sonic (who is never barefoot in the games) with blob feet

because he'd look freaking weird whatever he has because his shoes are a part of his design

>>229897
Yeah.

>>229883
Granted apparently they were originally supposed to have flipper-like feet.

>>229903
Actually some of them do have flipper blob feet, with a wider toe than heal

Look at Razor

I wonder how the guy who told Iizuka about Archie feels knowing everything that's happened is his fault.

>>229909
what?

>>229915
The whole reason Archie has gone through so many Sega mandates is because someone asked Takashi Iizuka, head of Sonic Team, about the Archie comics at a con, and he said he'd never even heard of them and that he'd look into it.

>>229917
That is pure grade conspiracy theory.

>>229917
If that's true in any level, then it proves that Sonic Team (or Sega of Japan in general) has their collective heads in their asses.
A comic series based on your bread&butter mascot that's lasted 2 decades, and you're just recent learning about it?

>>229923
Japan still has enough underlying xenophobia that it wouldn't surprise me much.

>>229925
It's still comes off as unprofessional and asinine for someone in his position to be that clueless, even for such a culture.

>>229934
Iizuka's only in charge of the devs, he would have nothing to do with overseas marketing.

>>229935
Just saying that the director of Sonic Team should know about something Sonic related that's been around for over 20 years and counting.
Of course, that's if this whole statement is even true.

>>229936
It's tie-in merchandising that is endemic to a non-native region. While *we* may enjoy it, it's fairly insignificant from the perspective of the people who own the property.

>>229938
But it's the principle of matter that he has zero knowledge it before hand. Yes, it's not this job to keep track of everything. But the franchise has always been more successful in the States. His property is doing well, if not better international than locally, and he doesn't even care to know why.
Not even a "Oh yeah that little manga-whatever."

>>229959
The comic is read by less than a tenth of the American audience, and there are other people who are paid to pay attention to the overseas fandom. His job in no way requires him to know about the comic. And again, this is a stupid rumor that was clearly not the cause of Sega's stricter guidelines since they came about in 2006.

>>229960
Actually, this was around 2011 or so, when it got to the point of where Sonic's parents were no longer allowed to be called his parents, the SatAM cast redesigns were discussed, and Metal Sonic was denied any form of character development.

And I specifically remember this "rumor" being spread all around /co/ and even +/co/, with most claiming it to be true, and I believe there was evidence posted as well. Is it a rumor? Maybe, but the reason it's significant is it started spreading BEFORE we ever saw extreme mandates in the issues.

>>229961
The parents mandate had been in effect long before we learned it was in effect, and Metal Sonic's was clearly in response to Sonic 4 Episode 2. It's a stupid rumor that's easily believable because Sega's a quick scapegoat, but as far as we've seen the mandates haven't gotten "more strict" in years. We're just learning about them long after the fact.

http://atopthefourthwall.com/sonic-super-special-7/
Guess who's gonna talk about Sonic.
Funny, that "cameo" doesn't look like him.
Also, wonder if Ian still comes around here.

>>229983
Either Ian's swamped with work, or he was told to stay away. Or he just doesn't like us

>>229983
>Funny, that "cameo" doesn't look like him.
Doesn't look like...who? That was Evan Stanley, the woman who penciled Issue #257.

Like Linkara. She pretty much pointed that out, I think.

>>229990
Oh, sorry, thought you meant the cameo in the review, not the comic.

>>229990
The colorist colored his hair differently, probably becuase he didn't know it was a cameo

>>229994
I really like Breezie's redeign. Sexy but not objective.

>>229994
holy
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP! Hype Train maximum!

now that 4chan is a sjw shithole, I hope this thread will go by much faster.

>>230033
Aw, don't cry, anon.

You can always go on stormfront if ya wanna speak your mind!

I got MM 41 yesterday, which means that my copy of 40 is probably lost to the ages. I'll have to swing by the LCS to pick it up. What is this "Original Archie Seal of Quality"?

>>230034
Uh, I think anon was hoping that the 4chan fallout would get more people to +4, not that he wanted a place to rant.

>>230042
If you email Archie's order support and tell them you didn't get an issue in but got the issue after it, they'll usually mail out a replacement.

Am I the only one who doesn't like how "Western" Sonic is nowadays?

I look at Sonic CD and the Sonic OVA, and that's how I imagine Sonic to be stylized. Heavily surreal and filled to the brim with J-Pop.

>>230057
I always liked 2 and Knuckles, with somewhat realistic environments enhanced to the point of surreal absurdity.

>>230057
I know I dont like how Sonic hecame Segas only property these days. remember the days of drea mcast when they had a ton of cool propwrties going on?

>>230049
Yeah, but going to the LCS was faster and I don't mind doing it for a single issue... except that my LCS didn't have #40, either. Weird. So I guess I'll be contacting Archie.

>>230057
I would say that, outside of the games themselves, Sonic is a western property. We've had numerous cartoons, merchandise, and other such things. Sega of America had a huge hand in SEGA's general popularity back in the early-mid 90s, doing far better versus Nintendo here than their parents did in Japan. Sonic was a part of that, including a slight rebranding for America.

>>230042
>What is this "Original Archie Seal of Quality"?

A parody of the Nintendo seal that used to appear on game covers.

>>230062
I'm not saying he's NOT a western property, but when thinking of "how Sonic should be", at least in terms of setting and style, my mind always comes back to Naoto Oshima's imagining of the series. Surreal, psychadelic, with a hint of classic anime mixed in.

And to be honest, it seems like Sega, at least with the non-BOOM Sonic games, is going in that route judging by The Lost World. It's not perfect (rather than surreal and inspired, it looks more like a typical Mario game) but it looks more like the classic titles come to life than any other Sonic game I know of.

Now if only the writers took notes from Ian and took the game's stories and characters just a TINY bit more seriously...

>>230092
>it looks more like the classic titles come to life than any other Sonic game I know of.
More than the classic games themselves?

>Now if only the writers took notes from Ian and took the game's stories and characters just a TINY bit more seriously...
How is he not treating Unleashed seriously? To me it seems like he's taking it more seriously than Unleashed did. People are actually freaked out that the world is breaking apart, he explaiend how the oceans didn't cascade into the core, and he's not wrapping it up right away.

>>230157
I think you misread my post.

"If only the writers took notes from Ian and treated the games more seriously" as in the official Sonic writers doing that, not Ian.

Well, I gotta hand it to Archie Support. I e-mailed them that I never got MM#40 on Monday, they responded Tuesday that they would send one out, and it arrived today in very nice packaging. I was expecting to forget about it and be surprised by the mail in like two weeks.

>>230158
Its really interesting. The first question to ask is ¨At what point in the game series does Wily get hospitalized?¨ I'm guessing its part of the Staroid arc.

>>230169
Friend of mine said he thought the voice was Eggman, and this is the intro to the second crossover.

Whatever it is, it takes place who knows when, as it could be any time between Mega Man III and Mega Man 10, if Payne is traveling in a straight line to the future.

>>230170
I think it's Mr. X. I'm not really sure how Mr. X connects to Wily (the comic seems like it might actually support them being different people) but it could be before Mega Man 6.

>Another Worlds collide is coming SOON

aw snap

Do you think we'll get a X cameo? It'd be nice if we get a "don't worry, X might still be a thing" moment. Also, due to Dark Gaia possibly being around for the crossover, will we get the introduction for Evil Energy early in Archie Megaman?

For those that want a link: http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/7/6938879/worlds-unit-in-mega-man-sonic-crossover-series
Wasn't there a suggestion that this would happen a while back? Something in the back of my mind tells me it was hinted at either in the crossover, the comics afterward, or someone at Archie (not necessarily Ian.)

I hope Kaminski understands that if you make this a regular thing you won't see the huge boost in sales every time... Now, if it was lead up to a cross-over Sonic/Mega Man game, that would be something, but I don't know how such a game would even work.

I wonder if this will take over the books again or have its own mini. I'll be highly annoyed if it reboots "Sonic's World" again...

>>230420

Paul will never understand that. He looks at declining sales and wanting to copy MARVEL since he so clearly wants to work for them does what they would do. Shit events everywhere.

>>230421
Man I really hope not. Part of why I read ArchieSonic and Mega Man is that they don't have a billion books and one-offs to keep track of. Doing a yearly event that completely fucks whatever storyline is happening would just kill the books for me.

>>230422

It's already begun, Mega Man will have had three crossover events in a two year period with Worlds Unite, the original Worlds Collide, Dawn of X and Worlds Unite.

I very much doubt Mega Man will go a year with out having an event now.

Animation based on latest StH issue.

//youtube.com/watch?v=dpT34m1pqHk

>>230420
Something tells me this is to cash in Smash Bros.

>>230420

>Now, if it was lead up to a cross-over Sonic/Mega Man game, that would be something, but I don't know how such a game would even work.

People are literally playing that game RIGHT NOW on 3DS.

>>230428
Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me.

>>230426
That's a fighting game with a whole butt-load of other fighters. I suppose they could make a SonicMan The Fighters game and focus just on MegaMan/Sonic characters, but I was thinking about an action platformer. Of course, that would require Capcom to give a shit about the MegaMan franchise, at least enough to allow SEGA to develop or farm out development.

I also don't know how you'd mix MegaMan's classic difficulty with the desired speed in Sonic games.

>>230438
It feels like Mega Man needs a serious revamp before it can go anywhere new. The concept's still strong but everything else is still stuck in the NES days.

>>230439

Well if they didn't have events every fucking year we'd probably be a lot farther now.

Oh and for people wondering no it's not going to be a limited series like some people had deluded themselves, will be taking up comic issues like Worlds Collide did before http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=409521#p409521

>>230443
I think >>230439 was talking about the games themselves, not the comic.

I'm one of the few people that think ZX and Advent were great games. If they had a Metroid style map system, they'd be much better, because otherwise it's hard to know where to go. Turning it into a Metroidvania felt like a step in the right direction when it comes to evolving the series.

>>230444
Yes, a MegaMatroidvania game sounds like it would work incredibly well, especially considering the abilities that MegaMan gets can easily be used as "keys" to new areas.

>>230445
Play ZX then, because that's what it is.

>I don't know where the "limited series" angle is coming from - a wire got crossed somewhere, I guess.

>"Worlds Unite" will be featured in the regular comics like before. I can't get into anything else - don't want to steal their thunder in NYCC - but it isn't going to be a separate limited series.

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

Probably Paul

Yeah come on, we had this shit 2 years ago. Not even Marvel/DC does this kinda shit.

>>230448

Paul and his raging boner for events/emulating Marvel.

...Wouldn't they make MORE money if they sold four comics in a month instead of three? Why this need to hijack the main story now? Penders era Sonic had specials all the time.

>>230473
But then you could only have relevant variant covers for one series; if there's anything Paul likes more than "epic" mash-ups interrupting storylines, it's variant covers.

Of course, in all this complaining we should remember that at least he's not paying his wife to write fan-fiction or taking random artists from the web under the guise of "Many Hands".

>>230473
A.) People want readers to transfer from this event to the main ones, that's easier in the main books.
B.) Buying four comics every month is a huge drain that not a ton of people will accept.

I would have gladly paid extra for this to not take up space in the main series, but having four books wouldn't automatically equal more cash. Especially with a smaller userbase, it could easily cannibalize the other books instead of supporting them. Penders era Sonic had specials all the time, but Penders era Sonic was also renowned for its incredibly shitty business and story decisions. Just look at what the Super Specials were after a couple entries.

>>230477
but why

>>230479

?????

Does Paul have editorial control over the Archie side of Archie as well? 'Course, as the article points out, Archie is no stranger to weird mash-ups. Sonic/MegaMan makes sense (blue, platformers, video games, both written by Archie already), but then you have things like Punisher meets Archie...

>>230481
The issue isn't really the concept, Mega Man and Sonic crossover is a fine idea. It's more the constant events, constant variant covers, and all-too-frequent gimmicks like After the Credits. Combined with Archie's books all going up to 3.99, the business side of Archie's been annoying as all hell lately. Which is too bad, because the writing and art has been top notch, really.

>>230438
>That's a fighting game with a whole butt-load of other fighters. I suppose they could make a SonicMan The Fighters game and focus just on MegaMan/Sonic characters, but I was thinking about an action platformer. Of course, that would require Capcom to give a shit about the MegaMan franchise, at least enough to allow SEGA to develop or farm out development.
>
>I also don't know how you'd mix MegaMan's classic difficulty with the desired speed in Sonic games.

At this point, I don't trust either Capcom or Sega to make a crossover game. Sega is too experimental and likes to rush things out the door. While Capcom's greedy slacker style of things has caught up with them as of recent.

Call back with Archie gets the Sonic vs Mario crossover.

>>230504

That would require Nintendo to even give Archie the time of day.

>>230505
While I would be surprised if they contacted or listened to Archie anytime soon, Nintendo has been licensing out Mario stuff more as of late; mainly to companies making products for its consoles (Bayo2, Monster Hunter 4G), but with the huge financial hits they've been taken as late I wouldn't be surprised if they do a short run with Archie to see if they can get some of that sweet, sweet licensing money.

'Course, they would probably tie Ian's hands more than SEGA does...

>>230508

That would require a fundamental policy change as Miyamoto's "NO STORY. EVER" belief is a lot of whats driving the fact the only licensing Nintendo does being for toys etc. I doubt they'd go for a full comic.

>>230512
But nintendo properties are no stranger to having comic adaptations in Japan.
Zelda, Metroid, Mario (who even got a movie) all that jazz has been adapted.

Who knows how NOA might handle it, though. They put a lot of work into their image.

>>230517
I think that picture is draining what little hype I've got for this right now. That they revealed NOTHING during Comic-Con sure didn't help.

>>230519

We've learned more about it in two posts by Ian at Bumbleking than the entire NYCC panel.

Which is kind of fucked.

>>230512
Yeah, but sooner than later Miyamoto will retire and whoever takes his place (Sakurai?) might be more open to story.

>>230518
>Japan
This is the main problem. They'll get all sorts of stuff in Japan, but for some reason don't like to work with America. Hell, half of the Nintendo property special editions are available only at their single fucking Nintendo store in NYC.

Yeah, we had the Super Mario Brothers Show and more back in the 90s, but after the movie they seemed to really step back from licensing in America.

>>230530

The move is WHY they stepped back from licensing in America, they've still never forgotten it.

Well from what I've heard, the Pikmin movie/animated shorts are mainly a "research project" for the compnay.
I get the feeling the results of this research would involve more forrays into adapting their properties for cinema and television.

If that means they'll make the products in Japanese territory or if they'll go into Hollywood, who knows.

http://comments.deviantart.com/4/10323982/3581642229

>>230645
What the fuck is Archie doing?

>>230645
What the literal, actual, shitting fuck.

Has Archie gone mad? This whole shift into DC-tier of handling things seems so sudden.

>>230653
>>230662
Considering Ben Bates recently said he wasn't doing interiors for any comics because he was overworking himself, and he's saying Archie himself instead of the company, I think he's making a joke. Not to say that Archie hasn't been bonkers on the executive and editor level, but I think this one really isn't on anybody.

Oh so is Ben Bates the guy Tyson Hesse replaced?

>>230665
Ben Bates has done a couple comics for Sonic and Mega Man, but he's never been a consistent like Yardley! or Butler. The Archie comic's been trying out a lot of new artists lately, and with their freelance policies a person essentially has to reapply every month (this is not a great policy for the writers and artists like Flynn and Yardley where they have to renegotiate every month, but it does allow for some flexibility like when Waves of Change suddenly needed a fill-in.)

>>230666
Oh.
Thats interesting.

But I can hardly imagine thats an ideal situation for an artist, especially if he's been constantly renewed.
I mean I'm a freelance artist myself and I know I'd trade in a couple of income opportunities for a little job security.
And maybe a few benefits here and there.

>>230670
Yeah it's not ideal at all, Archie's policies are actually fairly outdated and unfair. Ben Bates hasn't worked on any comic for more than a couple months at a time though, and considering how hard he works already I don't think he ever will even if he comes back to comic book interiors. I was mostly just explaining that Tyson Hesse didn't really replace Ben Bates, he's just one of many in the rotating line of Archie artists, and that Ben Bates isn't talking about Archie the company in his DA post.

>>230663
>he's saying Archie himself instead of the company
Yeah, made me think it was a joke or brush-off.

Or Bates has gone stark-raving mad.

>>230671
Ah well. I see.

...I'm glad for Hesse, though!
Loved his stuff for years.

>>230685
Sonic Argh?

>>230763
Who's the hippie?

>>230763
I see you've already forgotten Sonic Origins is a thing. It might not dwell on game characters' backgrounds, but it's still showing us other characters' backgrounds.

>>230763
Kind of glad for that honestly, I wasn't a big fan of how much the Sonic comic used to obsess over the past.

>>230666
>with their freelance policies a person essentially has to reapply every month (this is not a great policy for the writers and artists like Flynn and Yardley where they have to renegotiate every month, but it does allow for some flexibility like when Waves of Change suddenly needed a fill-in

Hi, you don't know what you're talking about. Please stop spreading insanity as fact.

Freelancers, once established, are offered jobs when available and appropriate. There's no constant "reapplying" or "renegotiating" every month. You get offered the job and you get paid for your work at a flat rate per type of work, usually per page.

>>230920
I apologize, the way it was explained to me was wrong. I should have checked into it more.

>>231116
Someone may not have a lot of faith in the project (for fair reason, the game hasn't garnered much favorable hype) and didn't want to pay for a better slot.

>>231118
Plus the show looked promising at first, but now interest is dying, because as more trailers and previews come out, the general consensus seems to be that it's just not living up to its potential and hype. Complaints of bad timing, stiff animation, and worst of all, an abundance of cringe-worthy jokes.

I don't want to be that guy, but if Sonic 06 was the 9/11 of the franchise, Sonic Boom is the Titanic.

>>231119
>it's just not living up to its potential and hype
I don't think there was any to begin with. When they revealed the cast to be clothed in bandages and scarves (Western version of BELTANZIPPER, I guess), I doubt any Sonic fan had much potential. The Sonic Cycle just never kicked in for this one.

I just don't know how "Jak & Daxter but with Sonic" ever got past the conception stage.

>Sonic #266
>"either we wrecked their forces super bad or it's a trap"
>"but it's probably a trap"
>"we need to go anyway"
>trap is sprung
>"Oh no I walked us into a trap"

I do like that Roboticization is still acknowledged.

>>231252
>I do like that Roboticization is still acknowledged.
I don't. That shit has no place in a Game-Sonic centered world

>>231292
I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this.

>>231292

Bitch have you ever played a Sonic game the 16-bit games had animals popping out of the goddamn robots once you whapped them roboticization has a goddamn place in a game-centric Sonic world what the fuck is wrong with you learn your goddamn history son.

>>231294
One would argue that putting animals inside robots to act as pilots is different from turning the animals into robots

>>231308

Shh I'm trying to poke fun at someone and sound like a raging lunatic at the same time you're killing the vibe.

>>231308

They weren't pilots, I think in the absolute original games they were powered by their life force, or something.

Given that the Freedom Fighters still exist, it can be taken that Archie Sonic is a hybrid of the modern Sonic Games and the old DiC cartoon, so acknowledging Roboticization isn't some sort of Sonic Heresy. Hell, Uncle Chuck still exists.

>>231314
I think the animals have been used as an energy source in every game where they pop out of robots. That was part of the core motivation for Amy's story in Sonic Adventure.

DiC probably went with Roboticization because the animal's use in Sonic 1/2 was fairly nebulous; plus, the idea of loved ones being turned against you leads to great conflict stories and worked better in a passive medium than "blow up a bunch of robots to free rabbits every episode." Platform games of the day had little in the way of plot, which is why we got two very different Sonic cartoons.

>>231292
Thank God you have no say in the matter.

I just think that Ian is taking too much from SatAM. Add in the stuff that doesn't contradict the games. You have a chance to make Eggman Eggman, instead he wants to keep him as "2edgy4u" Archie Eggman

>>231353
I don't think he's really that much darker than his Sega self anymore. He is a little but not by a lot.

>>231353

If you want more game-centered stories, why not play the games?

>>231357
Already did. I would like some more because I think it's an interesting setting that the games, by virtue of being games, don't go as in depth on as they could. We're long past the days where to read Sonic's comic, you first had to hate the source material.

>>231359
Yes, because comic adaptations have NEVER strayed from the original source material EVER.

>>231353
"Eggman" Eggman nearly destroyed the planet 3 times on propose. How is roboticization any worse than a eldritch abomination?

http://www.sonicretro.org/2014/11/sonic-boom-round-table-the-sidekickcan-an-evil-genius-crash-on-your-couch-for-a-few-weeks/

So yeah, Sonic Boom is the most hilariously awful trainwreck since Sonic 06. Oh god, Sega. I have no idea how you're getting out of this one.

>>231365
Sonic Boom is nowhere as bad. It's just average, funny but nothing remarkable.

>>231365
You link to reviews that call it alright for a kid's show and then you say it's an awful trainwreck?

>>231371
I mean the entire "Sonic Boom" project, not the show itself. Plus the show is just "ok" and it's in the CN death slot. Not only is it in danger of not even getting a second season, but if it's cancelled it probably won't even be missed. Given how inhumanly putrid the tie-in game is, I'd call it a trainwreck.

Oh dear god

//youtube.com/watch?v=hDCzoqhjP7M

>>231405
I don't understand what is happening in the second video.

>>231406
Sound glitches and loops.

>>231405
This is unacceptable in 2014.
Even games which are considered bad nowadays are playable unlike this.

>>231408
This was unacceptable in 2006.

>>231419

I guess SEGA didn’t…
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…live and learn.

>>231294
>>231308
>>231314
One thing is that it's tiny animals that pop out in the games, which might be entirely different from the larger anthropomorphic beings that actually fight Eggman, with the latter freeing the former as more an animal right issue than a slavery one.

Well I guess the question on everyone's minds is:

will Ian give a shoutout to some of the glitches in the comic?

Because I bet he'd enjoy a "one of the gang gets stuck on the grindrail" gag

But I'm not sure if he'll be able to do Knuckles's "I must go, angel island needs me" glitch jump thing

>>231454
Even if he'd enjoy it--and many of us would certainly enjoy it--I doubt it would get in. The relationship between Archie and SEGA seems pretty strained at the moment, so putting in something like that which might upset SEGA is a no-no.

An artist might try to sneak something in, but since Archie does month-to-month employment that puts them at a huge risk (it's far easier to just not renew something than to fire.)

Maybe in a few years we could get a joke reference, but certainly not in the Sonic Boom comic. Speaking of, I will be surprised if the comic survives through 2015.

>>231455
>month-to-month employment

Please stop. Archie writers and artists are freelancers with some exceptions. Just like the writers and artists at EVERY comic company.

(But seriously, what started this? This is the second time someone has been "GUYS THE ARCHIE ARTISTS ARE HIRED MONTH-TO-MONTH" in this thread.)

>>231458
I'm sorry. I just asked about Tyson Hesse (who's work I really really like) replaced an artist on a certain book.

>>231458
I'd have to see if I can track it down, but I recall that being said by Ian himself on the prior boards. Not that they have to renegotiate every month, but that there's no guarantee they'll be the ones doing the next issue after they complete one. Month-to-month (or issue-to-issue, if you prefer) sounds like freelance to me.

And just because it happens at every comic company doesn't make it a good thing.

>>231476
Other than the color and vague catness, what's so similar?

>>231482
I think he's making a comment on how there are both anthro and feral cats.

Though it's not like cartoons haven't done this before.

>>231490
I swear, I don't see how it's so difficult for so many to understand! The animals that walk like humans, talk like humans, and wear cloths likes humans are a different species from the animals that do not walk and talk. It's not that complex.

>>231507
Yup, like how we have pictures of humans and monkeys together. 'Course, most people don't keep monkeys as pets...

>>231508
Yeah, but that's not because of any sort of cultural taboo or because it's weird, it's because monkeys are a lot of work and aren't truly domesticated and are expensive. If monkeys were as cheap and as easy to raise as cats, I guarantee you they would be at least the third most popular pet in the world, if not #2 or even #1.

I watched the existing episodes of Boom, and honestly...they were pretty good. Episode 4 wasn't all that great, but the other three were pretty good at least. The jokes made me legitimately laugh at times, the animation is passable, and Eggman is awesome.

My only real gripe is that the show *begs* to be a full half-hour instead of two separate 11 minute episodes. The plots feel a little rushed as it is. I'm hoping it switches to that format once the show enters its second season, but I won't get my hopes up. I also don't like Sticks. She is horribly unnecessary, and so far she hasn't contributed anything to the show. Plus, she's just not very funny, which is probably why I didn't like episode 4 as much. She's tolerable at least.

>>231518
No need to get all crotchety about it.

>>231523

It's pronounced kroh-shey.

Do we know how much hair has Ian pulled out of his head from all the nonsense in the Sonic Boom story?
-Shadow for no reason
-Shadow is a jerk for no reason
-Sonic and Lyric forget each other between games
-The games having a totally different tone from the show
-there is absolutely no explanation for anyone.

Is it true that Ian submits scripts to Sega for every Sonic game recently released, but gets rejected?

>>231530
Fortuantly, Boom doesn't seem to have any "this episode takes place after this episode" sort of content, so with a little leeway Ian can do pretty much what he wants, so long as there isn't already a epsiode about it upcoming

As for Shadow being kind of a ass: It's very likly he had no MARIIAAAA moment because GUN probably doesn't exsist in Boom, so he's more like Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow, but with no reasons to become a good guy at the end.

If the Boom comic doesn't bring back El Gran Gordo, all hope is lost.

>>231541
>Bill Freiberger
Hm... don't see his writing credits for Boom. Only credits I see is for "Riese of Lyric"

Well that sucks.

>>231544

I kinda doubt SEGA is gonna allow that.

If they did we'd have gotten El Gran Gordo on the wrestling themed variant cover for the regular book announced awhile ago.

>>231560
>phew, we put a vest on her, she's not naked anymore

Should we make a separate thread for all Sonic related stuff now that Boom is out, and leave the Archie thread for MM/Worlds Collide/other things?

>>231564
What gets me is that he's still wearing those stupid bandages.

>>231563
Nah. On the old boards we mulled that same question after WC came to an end and decided that the Archie threads were never fast enough to need to be broken up. They're only slower now...

>>231566
True, but isn't it strange calling it Archie General when let's be honest, most posts here are going to be related to Sonic and of course Boom, which isn't even Archie related save for the comic?

>>231567
we talk about the Sonic and Mega Man games and they are only tangentially related to the comics

>>231577

>Mega Man
>Games

I don't understand.

>>231578
Xover was a thing (and still is, until March), when these threads started

Did Penders argue that he owns the idea of an alternate, evil Sonic? Could Ian not take Ashura and slap it over Scourge's character, bringing him back in?

>>231657
He's argued he owns the idea of alternate evil Sonic.

>>231659

Archie is such bad standing with SEGA they don't dare question anything Penders does at this point just to shut him up.

>>231659
They're not alternates, just doppelgangers.

>>231658
No, he argued that he owns the idea of "Evil Sonic". He owns the evil Sonic from another dimension, which is what Scourge originally was, and still was by the reboot. And it could be argued that he owns that concept.

However, he does NOT own the concept of an alternate evil Sonic. He simply owns the concept of the evil Sonic that he created: Sonic, from an alternate dimension, only evil. If Eggman had created Scourge from scratch, based on Sonic's DNA and abilities, Penders could not claim to own that.

I'm not saying Archie should ever attempt this, but it's important to know.

>>231673

I'm sure if Archie ever did attempt a new version of an evil Sonic that wasn't from another universe Penders would double down and say he owns the idea of an evil version of Sonic.

Sonic Boom #2 was just read and it was pretty good, but the best part was the cover reading "Based on the HIT video game and tv series!"

The series is mediocre and the games both suck. The comics are the only really enjoyable part of the franchise, yet SEGA has them jump the gun to try and get people to think this train wreck of a franchise is any good. Reminds me of how Penders called the "lost ones" a hit series. Really, they should know by now that Archie Sonic fans know the word "hit" means nothing.

Newest episode of Sonic Boom had a Sonichu reference!

>>231737
DS version didn't suck, it was just mediocre, though your point remains valid.

>>231737
The show's ratings are actually pretty good, it's doing surprisingly well.

And even then, a terrible Sonic game is still more successful than any of Penders' projects will ever be.

>>231785
why do you suppose CN put it in a death slot?

>>231809
They don't own it, and CN does not give half a shit about shows it did not make itself.

>>231812
then why even put it on CN?