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This is a very ugly thing

Archie Mega Man Robot Master Contest when.
I don't care if it's just an art contest or a chance for kids to get their master in the book, we need one.

>Amy's sonic cd dress and haircut returns as a flashback in this issue

YES

this is one of the things I was worried about not being referenced because I was sure Sonic CD's look for amy fell under "can't show SEGA characters age" thing. I guess it was got around by saying "it's just a style change, she only LOOKS older because it was such a dramatic wardrobe change".

>>227284
Pretty sure it's okay to show her as her CD design because it's a flashback to CD, where she had that design.
Meanwhile the FCBD cover had to be changed to remove Classic Amy's mugshot.

>>227258

I think Archie is the last company in the world right now that would allow a fan design a character.

Wow this layout is ugly.

>>227285
If that is allowed, why isn't Classic sonic allowed? He was classic in that game, same as Amy

>>227290

Because fuck you that's why.

>>227290
Technically he isn't.
He just has to have green eyes because that's the standard. Shorter quills? Slightly shorter? Sega doesn't seem to mind/notice.

Please notice that Amy's eyes are tinted green in her flashback, as well.

I realise this is coming increadibly late as a warning, but it literally just occured to me, as obvious as it should have been sooner:

Ian, don't forget that Chaos has a tail. Yes, Chaos 0's tail is kind of small, but don't forget about it - Remember that Chaos 0's sonic adventure look doesn't HAVE the tail because of a story reason, so just don't get caught out by assuming it can only attack with four limbs, when it technically has five limbs to attack with (its arms, legs and tail are all extendable), or depict it without that tail once Chaos gets a inevitable action scene. It'd be kind of embarrasing to just forget about it, when even Sonic Battle remembered about it.

This has been a slowpoke warning

>>227334
You'd be better off reminding the artist.
Also you're trying to warn the guy who remembered who Gala-Na is to not forget a pivotal plot point from one of the two games he references most often. I think he's fine.

>>227334
I know he's supposed to have a tail. Sega prefers we stick with the official art - tail-less.

So... there you go.

... but he has the tail on the most recent official art (Sonic Channel). It's just a nub, sure, but it's there.

>>227337
Oh. Well, if it's a Sega mandate, I suppose there's nothing anyone can really do about it.

Hopefully theres still something from this situation to salvage, though - I'm certain theres a "Pin the tail on Chaos" off-panel joke in this situation somewhere.

>>227344
Why does SEGA keep proving how incompetent they are with their own franchise?

>>227340
Also, Chaos does use his tail for an attack in Sonic Battle.

So it seems we're at a weird standoff, where cannonically Chaos 0 has his tail now, but SEGA doesn't want it to be too visible for some reason.

I suppose it'll come down to how the situation is handled (i.e: Ian will probably be able to use the Tail attack from Sonic Battle for Chaos on the grounds "its in the games, chill, look heres the game footage, see that attack? thats the attack we tried to depict in the comic", but will probably keep it a stump like in sonic adventure to please SEGA mandate, so there'll probably not be a great many action scenes involving it)

Or maybe there was some miscommunication and SEGA thought Ian wanted to add a whole new tail instead of just using the correct, nub design? Because as pointed he does have a tail, it's just a small thing; and it can grow for specific attacks, but not stay like that.

Why is Chaos attacking using his tail so important again?

>>227355
Because it shows that SEGA doesn't pay attention to its own Canon and only cares about superficial things about its franchise.

Honestly I'm surprised it even came up.

>>227362
Was it ever even said he was supposed to have a tail as Chaos Zero? I always assumed the tail was only supposed to appear later since Chao don't have big tails and Chaos feels incomplete without the Chaos Emeralds anyway. Sounds to me like the usual projecting against the big bad boogieman.

Ian I love you interact with the fandom so much but you've created the stupidest scapegoat in comics since people realised Claremont was kinda deviant sexually.

I mean last night on /co/ someone pondered if SEGA wasn't wanting Silver to show up and that was all it took for people to honestly think there was a mandate that Silver couldn't appear. There's knowledge the readers would've been better off not knowing.

>>227369
The whole point of Big's story was that Froggy ate Chaos's tail and Chaos wouldn't be complete without it.

>>227371
Yes, and the tail was reposed on Chaos Six, not Zero; and when we next see Zero (the ending), he still only has a nub. I always figured the tail was only supposed to show up on his more evolved forms, much like how he doesn't have a skeleton yet in Zero form.

>>227363
>not a big deal

but it is once we shift into serious buisness mode, because we're totally okay with most silly things, but a little inconsistency like "Chaos doesn't have a tail", now thats where you gotta draw the line man

This is almost a heresy, and the SEGA inquisition has already been deployed

Ian got a funny hat for the role and everything, it too late to back out now from hunting down the continuity heathens

make sure to grab your torch and pitchfork for this sunday, fun for all the family

Does anyone know if there's a mandate that Blaze can't show up in Sonic's dimension? I'd like her to show up more often and interact with the Freedom Fighters

>>227375
Never been one mentioned, and she's done it before. Why would that be a mandate? I don't mean "why would Sega do that" I mean is there a reason to assume it exists?

Did we ever get an explanation as to why Nega can't appear?

>227377
The only reason people might think it exists is because she's never actually interacted with anybody not from the games, unless you count Captain Metal, but he did originate from a Metal Sonic.

It's almost certainly just a coincidence.

how the hell are you supposed to quote people on this new form?...

>>227391
>how the hell are you supposed to quote people on this new form?...

there is a reply icon in the upper right that will quote. if you have text highlighted when you click the reply icon it will >quote it for you

or like 4chan you can manually use 2 carats and the postnum >>1

>>227386

Because SEGA said so.

>>227386
Generally Archie doesn't ask.

>>227396
Surely it can't hurt to ask out of curiosity or to ask for a possible Estimated time they can use a certain character. But then again, this is SEGA, so saying anything to them could cause their heads to explode because they don't think like humans.

Maybe instead of worrying and tearing hair out because of stupid little mandates we know almost nothing about, we can just enjoy the stories for the good reads they are.
It's not like Ian hasn't been working under the exact same mandates since he started on the book.

>>227411
If SEGA has a stupid policy, they deserve to be called out for having stupid policy.

Really, what else is there to this? People are just voicing their opinions. It's not like they're going down to SEGA's offices to harass the staff.

Because it's fucking nothing.

So Ian, think you'll ever throw your two cents in on how people seem to think Coral is a male Betta because of her fins, but identifies as female? I'm sure you'll never get into this conversation over at Bumbleking.

>>227418
Something tells me the answer is going to be "the comic says Coral is a girl, so Coral is 100% female"

I mean if you want to have "Coral is the sweetest trap" as a in-joke, then go ahead, but I doubt there'll be any nods to it other than in the fandom

also, in before tumblr explodes over this, I'm calling it, it's a shitfest waiting to happen

>>227419
I really don't think tumblr cares what 4chan thinks about a Sonic the Hedgehog comic book character.

Reminder that Sally was crossdressing for 20 years

>>227420
if theys tart to adopt how "progressive" the comic is by having a trans character in it, they'll explode if someone says "no, she's not trans."

>>227418
Talk about overthinking things. Jesus. You'd think female fish couldn't have fins of any kind. This is the comic that used to have a male wallaby with a pouch and no one was making anything of that other than "cartoon convenience."

Well

First we argue about Chaos's Tail, and now we argue about Coral's fins

I'm senseing a recuring pattern here, and the pattern is we're all very serious about our marine biology of aquatic characters

Now all we need to do is argue if Razor's teeth grow back in like a day if someone knocks them out, and we're set for all possible arguements we can have right now

>>227418
>people
>not trolls

Yes, I'm sure anyone who uses the logic of "we don't see her vajayjay in the issue" is being serious and that anyone honestly thinks this is some attempt to bring up the topic of gender identity in a fucking Sonic the Hedgehog comic book.

>>227425

They would only adopt it if idiots actually keep pushing it as though it's a valid point of discussion in this case and not people trolling about a cartoon fish.

>>227427
Oh no, let's go into how Charmy is also secretly transgender while we're at it.

>>227427
And yet, your whining about other people taking on a discussion board is probably the worst posts on here

.... so we can move on to something else now? Because Knuckles leaving his Island in the current Sonic Universe actually brought up a train of thought:

I'm actually being stumped by the ramifications of Knuckles basically having his own personal island to himself.
I mean, it's not a hard concept to grasp since Sonic 3 sells it quite well, but the problem occurs when I think:

How many countries do you think actually honour knuckles basically putting up a legal KEEP OFF THE ISLAND sign due to his situation (y'know, the whole "He's the last echidna tribesman left" thing), and who enforces it, GUN? I mean, if Knuckles left the Island for whatever reason, and say, civillians actually saw him, would it actually make news, locally or otherwise, or be kept a secret(at least at first, just so Rouge doesn't immedeatly go AWOL to get that master emerald)? Would Knuckles's known friends and aquaintances get to deal with the sort attention that inevitably comes from having a personal ivitation to a flying paradise (imagine it being put in their passport for a moment)?

I realise nobody really wants the comic to be too much about knuckles, but: It's one thing to have Sonic and friends take Knuckles presence in a story for granted, and another for background characters to do the same, especially when Knuckles is one-of-a-kind now - I'd expect at least one guy to try and pull out a camera or for background people to give curious looks at Knuckles, instead of everyone being all "oh look, there goes a endangered species, well whatever I gotta get to work"

>>227436
Well, the comic does say very few people have even heard of Angel Island existing.

It's probably like the "Lost" Hex. ~SOMEHOW~ a huge floating chunk of land exists flying across the sky and society below just dosen't see it/think its a myth.

My headcanon is Sonic's World is roughly the size of Jupiter so a large flying island is still has plenty of places to hide.

In the previous continuity, Angel Island followed a precise path, so you'd think someone would notice this big chunk o' dirt floating by once a year. In this new one it might be more random, or even stationary; in either case, this is a planet of humans and furries, so maybe there are many hunks of floating land but Angel Island is the only one that would be interesting if people actually tried to visit it...

Lost Hex is constantly covered in clouds, and going by Sky Sanctuary Zone you might actually be able to say the same about Angel Island. I guess people on Sonic's World are used to giant stormclouds that never disappear. I wouldn't think that the governments would have much trouble staying off Knuckles' island, but I doubt it's recognized as a separate legal entity either. Some ancient cultures have no contact with modern society even after we learn of their existence. Knuckles could be the same way.

Seeing how it rips everything else from Ghibli's Castle in the Sjy, assuming what Penguin God just said is not a bad idea- the Floating Island/Lost Hex are constantly covered by clouds, from down below at least, so it always just seems like a storm.

Despite how much Sega tried to shoehorn the presents of normal human-life into the game series, Sonic's World is still very fantastic and weird. The Gaia Temples and Divine Beast protectors. Forests with bugs the size of buses. Ancient ruins found a few miles outside of every other hover-car fulled city.
Angel Island is probably not that out of the ordinary.

So...what happened to that Sonic Underground epilogue? Did it get Pendered or Sega'd?

Sega'd, thank god.

>>227445
Fuck you.

>>227450
Go away, Dante.

Got issue 260 yesterday.

I'm sorry but Evan Stanley's pencils need serious work.

>>227453
Only real problems I have with Evan's stuff are her eyes and the way she does shading lines.

>>227454
I don't like the heavy brows she puts on almost everyone and some of her perspective work here was really off.

Why isn't #260 out digitally yet? I thought it was planned for the 14th?

also I was playing the Sonic Advance games again and noticed

Sonic Unleashed isn't the first time Eggman shattered the planet - it actually is mentioned in Sonic Advance 3's manual that the device he used in that game basically cracked the planet a bit (the damage got fixed when sonic got the emeralds back)

considering we're in the unleashed arc, now would be a excelent time for it to be referenced, considering the new continuity for archie

>>227469
I doubt they will reference it, as 1.) it wouldn't make sense that it woudln't wake Dark Gaia up and 2.) it might work against "muh archives" continuity nods

>>227470

Maybe Ian will find a way to blend elements from both stories together?

>>227478
Would be nice if possible - maybe Sonic Advance 3's intro/manual plot can be interprited basically as Eggman running a dry, "safe" test run of the technology that would eventually be seen in Sonic Unleashed or something

the fact it basically locked all travel between Zones down, basically splitting the world, was probably a bonus side effect for what he wanted it to do - which, of cource, was to create Eggmanland

it could probably be compared to old pre-reboot continuity too, when Eggman tried to reset reality to get the robotizer to work again (because lets face it, Sonic Advance 3 has Eggman with a reality-tinkering toy, so you could make a argument that in the nu continuity, Sonic Advance 3 might have happened recently - at least before Naugus and Tails Doll, which we've "seen", since its implied that both continuitys had similar-ish past events.
So, instead of the "Genesis Wave" of old continuity, in Nu continuity Sonic would have instead had to deal with Sonic Advance 3's plot of "Eggman pushes the reality-breaking button, now all the Zones are locked down due to the chaos emeralds power - use warp zones and get too Angel Island in order to use the Master Emerald to undo the Zone lockdown, and stop eggman and his mysterious new robot". You know, sort of how Worlds Collide crossover got re-defined in Megaman continuity as Ra-Moon's "Wily Wave" and started Super Rockman Adventures arc)

>>227469
Taking in what the manual's story and the gameplay, Eggman probably didn't shattered the planet in Advance 3 but divided the world between Special Zones. Like the Subspace maze in Smash Bros. Brawl. That would explain why you had to use Warp Rings to go anywhere and the colorful traditions between Zones.

So what do you think Sally has found in Eggman's mine that is so shocking?

>>227483
Since they probably plan to wrap the unleashed arc up sometime before issue 300, I think they still found a Chaos Emerald.

What probably happened is some underground creature, probably some ferocious looking monster thing that scared off Eggmans forces earlier, is using the place as a nest and using the Chaos emerald to sustain itself/her children.

The momma monster probably starts off ferocious but turns out to just be protecting it's children, isn't so bad after all.

Then that's why the third part the group has internal divisions, because they need the Chaos emerald to save the world, but taking it kill the creature/it's babies.

Then they probably find some convenient solution that fixes both their problems.

>>227483
Roboticized Queen Alicia and her underground society.

>>227490
You stop that right now.
We don't bring that bullshit up here.

Actually, while we're on the subject of Sonic Advance games, and how they might fit into the nu continuity:

What do you think Eggman's reason for kidnapping Cream was in Sonic Advance 2?

sure, we could say "Who cares? Eggman kidnaps EVERYONE in that game, probably to robotize them or lure out Sonic, there thats the game plot the comic can go with, its not that complex" and sure, Cream (and Vanilla) probably were abducted mostly because they are helpless to resist him if he decided too, but what if we gave Eggman a slightly more complex motive for his actions in that game, at least for the nu continuity? My personal interpretation basically goes as follows:

Eggman was kidnapping random animals to turn them into cheap labour for building the Egg Carriers (so the game can be set before Sonic Adventure, where which order the games happened in is more up in the air), Zero was built in this timeframe in order to kidnap Tails and try to keep the emeralds out of Sonic's hands (Zero is the reason why I personally put Advance 2 close to Adventure continuity-wise, and it can also explain Amy's Adventure story - In Sonic Advance 2, you needed to collect the seven chaos emeralds with ALL FOUR of the playable characters to unlock her, so it's safe to say Amy probably never met Zero before Adventure in the comics), Eggman probably personally went to kidnap Cream due to whatever it is Vanilla does as a job (My guess is she's in charge of Chao Garden permission planning - it'd explain why Cream's always been so good with Chao, at least. Anyway, basically Eggman just kidnaps Cream to get the information needed for the construction of the Egg Carrier Chao Garden, and then probably just drove off with her still in hand once he got it. Hey, Eggman's done pettier things), and Sonic finally runs into Eggman while he's mid-kidnapping (which explains the first boss of that game), so the rest of Sonic Advance 2 happens and then at the end they crash Egg Utopia/XX zone into a island (My money is that it crashes onto the same island the Final Egg Zone is on, because it's a underground bunker that launches giant ships, also the explosion helps to find the Chaos Murals), Eggman remembers he still has one more hostage to kidnap (Vanilla, who he ignored earlier because he already had her daughter), and the Super Sonic section of that game happens and Vanilla falls from outer space, sonic saves her, the game ends happily (and Vanilla is probably inspired to commision the Chao in Space movie series from the experience, thus explaining the long-standing billboard gag) , and then the continuity can move on to Sonic Adventure (because Sonic is in one of Station Square's hotels at the begining of that game, and that hotel is pretty five-star - it has a personal Chao Garden and is right next to Emerald Coast - so it's likly Vanilla treated Sonic too a Station Square luxury vacation as a reward, thus explaining why Sonic was in the area and the YOUR GONNA CRASH AAAAA scene, as well as giving Cream's DX cameo more story meaning - it allows Sonic Hero's Team Rose to be built in this time frame - and the chao showing up in Sonic Adventure's ending can be for a continuity nod reason, instead of just randomly appearing - Vanilla probably had the Station Square Chao Garden built/approved, and Perfect Chaos's tidal wave probably trashed it, so all the chao escaped out the garden and gravitated towards Chaos, which probably was what got Chaos to finally let go of it's ages old hatred)

phew, what a wall of text for a supposidly simple explanation of "this game should go here for the new continuity's timeline for these reasons"

>>227499
it'll never happen because Ian reads this forum

>>227500
Or there is really nothing for him to do with it.
In the comics, Vanilla is no one special and doesn't need to be. And Cream is no better than Amy. At best, Cream can be some sort of prodigy, the Sakura to Sonic's Ryu. At worst, just a random kid with a strong sense of justice, which the games are sort leaning too.
I wouldn't be surprises that the subtext in Advance 2 was that Eggman wanted a house-keep or something and pick-up Vanilla on the way home.

>>227499
That's not an "interpretation" anon, that's plain making up a story.

Well, took a couple of yeas, but once more plus4chan is pretty much the only online place to discuss Sonic now. /co/'s completely surrendered to going back to Ride memes and porn.

>>227507
Does he take a bullet for Keller?

>>227506
It's not going to be a very fun place to hang around with that sort of pompous attitude.

>>227504
Well yeah, Sonic Advance 2 basically has no story aside from "Eggman is kidnaping animals again, go fast sonic and save your friends and get the chaos emeralds - oh, and Zero is in the special stages for no reason, and the special stages are a pain in the ass to get into in this game"

I mean, sure, the only real references in the actual comic that game will get will probably be when Cream eventually gets her own little reminince panel (and because almost EVERYONE on the Sky Patrol has been feeling the need to rememeber things, it's highly likly Cream will get one too, which conviently explains how she's on the ship to begin with) and eventually, probably a little box that says "*Sonic Advance 2 - the game"

but thats a little dull - it's more fun to speculate and have a vague guesswork outline of how that game could fit into Archie's new sonic continuity. I mean, I even know I'm taking liberties (I mean, what does Vanilla even do? Has SEGA even bothered to figure out her character beyond "shes creams mom"? Is Ian even allowed too build whatever he wanted for her or does he literally have to ring up SEGA and ask them? How the hell does Cream's dad, or her lack of one in the games, even figure into this?), but discussion on world building, and how the freedom fighters would fit retroactivly into the games, is always interesting too me

>>227509
Don't read it as pomp, it's a honest lamentation. I liked /co/'s Sonic threads specifically because while you had lewd threads, you also easily (normally storytime threads) had threads that just had honest, earnest discussion of the comic and franchise.

Haven't seen one of those in /co/ practically since the first Marathon, and it's become worse with the /v/ ride.

>>227514
People have discussed the plot and lore of Sonic to fucking death over the last year.
Nobody's talked about much for a month or so because there's not much to talk about.
Please calm your tits before scheduling the next "It's All Ogre" world tour, people still discuss the comic when they're prompted to.

Oh no wat, I read it wrong.
My subscription goes to 41 (even though 41 isn't going to exist), 35 is the one I just got now.

>>227517
Yeah, I think the most we'll probably get is a safe "Oh, remember when Eggman invaded Sally's kingdom in Origins? Thats when Vanilla and Creams dad got seperated, hence why we never see him in the games because it's a pre-Sonic 1 event in the comic. Yeah, they never found out what happened to him after that and oh, by the way, Vanilla was probably pregnant around that time too, hence why Cream is the youngest freedom fighter and has a single mom for the games,THERE THATS THE END, NO MORE IMPLICATIONS FOR YOU"

I can only hope that Ian doesn't take the "Baby's First Story" difficulty route mentioned above, though. Probably a few open-ended implications to be smuggled in on the subject, before just letting it be untill Sega is ready for Cream to have two parents, or for her not.


If I might put forward a more risky opinion on the matter (which is spoilered just in case it has any sort of similarities to any future story, so Ian can deny reading it):
I personally hope he is more forward and daring, and goes "AntoinexBunnie is comparable, possibly even parralel to VanillaxCream'sDad" and lets the fandom go off and make the assumptions from the shitload of implications that comparrison could bring, that Ian could later use any of those implications at any point he likes to tease the shit out of people when he ships BunniexAntoine - especially if he gets to play with how antoine and bunnie's relationship started in the Nu continuity ("Super Genesis Wave let their love transend reality" probably will stop holding water eventually), because oh boy, he could really mess with the fans with that one

>>227521
No, I really doubt we'll have that much of an explanation. Cream is a game character with one canonical parent. She'll get a dad when SEGA shows she has a dad, and no explanation will be offered about his absence until SEGA does so.

Oh, I see we've found something else obscure to bicker over

Anyways, I was giving what Ian said in a previous thread some thought (That there wasn't really much plans for, say, Sonic Labyrinth and other obscurer and harder to work with sonic titles) and realised: one of Sonic Labyrinth's concepts totally can come in handy for the Olympic Games series (because the Slow Shoes would help to nerf ultra-fast competators in the interest of fairness)

>but Ian's already done his plugging issue of the olympics ages ago, thats literally useless

Yeah, true, but I'll bet actual money they'll probably make another olympics game soon (there are like, two already, and Nintendo loves its party-type games, so there'll probably be like 10 party games on the subject by 2017), so it's all good, also it allows Eggman to shit-talk Sonic on a racetrack some more (remember: Eggman usually outruns Sonic in games, like in Sonic 2, and thats without giving sonic a brutal handycap)

Also, speaking of games that might get one-offs: I almost hope they get to plug Smash Bros U in both Megaman AND Sonic comics, considering Archie has the rights too both.

>>227534
>"I'll bet actual money they'll probably make another olympics game soon (there are like, two already"

Four, actually. One for every Olympics since 2008. The 2016 edition will probably be announced next year.

>>227534
Mario is faster than Sonic anyway. He doesn't need to be slowed down to compete with the man in racing.

>>227543
>Mario is faster than Sonic anyway.

wut

>>227549
Game theory compared Mario and Sonic's Height and the length of their first stages and the world record times for traveling each stage and Mario came out with a higher speed overall.

>>227556
Game theory's whole schtick is overthinking shit to annoy people into reacting. Like catching up to the whole "hurr durr Light was the villain all along" bandwagon years after that theory made the rounds.

Sonic's faster, even if the games, for gameplay purposes, don't have him be.

Wasn't that comparison made using Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario World, and the first Genesis Sonic?

If so, I'd have to guess that even if you take that as such, all one has to do is look at Sonic boosting in Generations, and I think it would be safe to assume he's moving much faster there.

Mario MIGHT be able to keep pace with the speed boost a star now grants, since he seems to build speed the longer he goes, but it lasts too little time and there are few good, long, flat stretches to test it on.

>>227561
He compared Empire City to New York, using the size of a building in New York that looked like a buildling in Empire City to show how fast Sonic is at his maximum speed in Unleashed to show that even though he looks fast, he's still slower than Mario

Recent episode, he did say he messed up on the size of the characters by using Super Smash Bros as a base, so that may have affected the calculations

Ah, so definitely recent. What was used for Mario?

And yeah, SSB isn't a good base; Mario is supposed to be about five feet, while Sonic's around three, I think?

>>227575

Sonic's super drowning skills are just his character trait. His kryptonite. From a logical standpoint, he can't swim because moves his legs at high speeds doesn't have the same effect in water as it does on land. Or maybe having a body built for speed doesn't allow him to be buoyancy enough.

Silver can move around with psychic powers, and Shadow can hover and teleport. But to go by gameplay logic, neither have that much to fear because only Sonic had to go through miles of underwater ruins and have killer whales attack after him.

>>227575

For what it's worth, I think Sonic is the only one of the lot who has to use water wings in the Olympic games.

In the comic, Metal Sonic cut Shadow's hovering in Sonic Universe #1 when they were over the ocean, and Shadow managed fine.

>>227575
>>227576
>>227577

I personally like all the little cosmetic differences like that

I mean Tails has that little doggy paddle and can sort of swim, Knuckles is a decent swimmer (as he should be - his island has underwater sections), game-wise Amy hasn't really gone through water but she appears to be okay at swimming in the comic (probably a mouth-to-mouth joke here just waiting to be made, considering Sonics super drowning ability), Blaze apparently has a palace that is full of water (at least, I always assumed the Sonic Rush Ocean Palace was hers, we never do get a good look at Blaze's world in either Rush Games or any exposition on it outside the little in Rush Adventure we do see), etc

its the little titbits that make it great to read/play

Just as a FYI: The covers (and alt covers) for the next Sonic Universe arc, Total Eclipse, and the next Sonic Unleashed arc, Control, have been revealed, along with their respective solicits

personally liking the sprite art variant cover for the unleashed arc

we're finally getting werehog in the new main sonic arc

oh and we got Megaman 40's covers and solicits for the Classic-X crossover too

>>227588
All the levels in Rush are in Sonic's World, all the levels in Rush Adventure are in Blaze's World. Water Palace is just another random bunch of ruins in Sonic's World.

I might be asking a question that's already been answered, but has Ian said if there's any games with Sonic & co in them that can't be used in the book? And I'm not talking anything cute, like Smash Bros or All-Stars Racing.

I mean, the ship is called Sky Patrol; is the game Tails Sky Patrol in canon or is the name just a reference only? Prior to the reboot, the Battle Bird Armada was in the comic (and connected to the Babylon Rouges and Bean); is that still usable?

>>227624
He's heavily hinted that Dark Brotherhood is verboten

>>227624
The Battle Bird Aramada debute in Tails's Adventure, and was utilized by Ian in a Ian story, so are absolutly useable. Their background will probably change a little, but they'll mostly be untouched. Which is good - most people like how they were characterized in Babylon Rising and their comic debue (which was a retelling of their game debue)

Tails Sky Patrol is probably cannon in some way - I wouldn't be suprised if that would be when, well, the sky patrol became a thing.

If Frenemy was a thing back then, I could have called it Sonic's Frenemy Knuckles.
Friendly Nemesis sounds weird.

>>227630
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenemy
>The word has appeared in print as early as 1953.
I don't think it's any more popular now than it was in the 90s, though.

>Friendly Nemesis sounds weird.
Then we'll call it Fremesis.

>>227636
So long that Ian hadn't even tought about the nods he was going to put in it, so by specifically saying specific scenes you wanted to see, you've guaranteed you will never see them.

>>227649
Ian helped fix it, correcting a few assumptions and telling us which games he currently doesn't plan to make canon.

>>227649
He didn't help make it right, just not wrong. So don't take it to heart.

To stop an Ian Flynn, take control and press the Ian Flynn.

>>227666

I miss many things, but I miss Mastgrr most of all.

Are we already autosaging?

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Nifty a good deal higher than old ones. Wonder if any more new faces will show up in the show and be ported to the comics.

>>227719
>Give Everyone gloves to make them more SEGASonic
>SEGA introduces their first Gloveless "mobian"

This just gets better and better.

>>227757
Chip was already gloveless and shoeless AND with toes before that. As they said, they weren't following rules but trying to understand patterns.

>>227757
You can't blame Archie if Sega decides to change their own rules.

>>227761
Chip isn't a Mobian, though.

>>227764
It's an anthropomorphic animal just like the rest of the cast. Don't chain yourself to the word mobian.

>>227775
No, he's not an animal, he's a little fairy thing. I use the term "mobian" because SEGA adheres to a particular design style for their anthropomorphic characters. The only two who deviate from the mold are Chip (because he's a spirit/god thing) and Big (because he's big)

>>227778
How does Big deviate compared to Vector or Storm?

>>227799
>Make Amy a "strong female character"
>is kidnapped in the very first game

I'm getting conflicting messages from this.

>>227799
This is starting to look bad. Where are the enemies in the speed section? Why does the combat look so repetitive?

>>227817
Not really, strength of character and combat strength aren't at all the same thing. Tails was kidnapped in the first Sonic game without the excuse of the villain needing him to find magic crystals, so I'd say there's plenty of of room for her to do important stuff. She's replaced by Styx on the main team, so I think the kidnapping is an excuse to have the boomerang weapon instead of a hammer. Easier to explain why there's a new character than to have an existing one switch gimmicks and try to convince fans that they aren't ruined forever.

>>227817

Being kidnapped because of your hard-owned skills and knowledge are valuable>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Being kidnapped because you stupidly throw yourself into danger to become the hero's girlfriend.

>>227826
Speaking of which. Did you know that Bowser originally kidnapped Peach because she was the only one to undo the evil spell he caused

not to interupt the "Sonic Boom looks to be a 5/10 would not go fast again game" party, but people should be receiving thier copies of 261 soon, if not already

>>227822
"Sticks," not "Styx."

>>227831
It's been storytimed like three times on regular 4chan already.

Coral is a sad waifu and Nicole is a sassy/logical waifu.

>>227838
I didn't understand Nicole's change in opinion about the cave, though. Her handheld can take measurements of the cave and direct Tails, but it can't get any (or sharp) visual information without the help of her holographic form?

>>227840
You realize there's a difference between seeing videos of a place and BEING there, right?

>>227840
Never heard of "seeing is believing?"

Plus all she was using to direct was the energy trail from the Chaos Emerald, she wasn't measuring. They talked about what the cave might be made of and that's it. That's not the same as standing there and actually seeing that something is beautiful, that's more emotional and psychological than analytical.

You can look at photos of Mt Everest and read up facts about it, do you seriously think that would make you feel the same as actually standing on its surface?

>>227841
>>227842
What I mean is, the handheld has some means of detecting physical layout (she tells Tails to "bear left here", so she wasn't just blindly following the energy signal, but what is it about the hologram that somehow sharply improves what she can detect? I thought the power ring was just for projecting, and without nanites how can her hologram transfer information back into the handheld?

>>227843
I feel like you're over complicating things while simultaneously missing something very simple. She just perceived things differently "in person." It's not hard to understand.

Especially since in the old continuity she never actually had a body made of nanites. It was always some kind of projection that could (somehow) physically feel.

>>227844
Oh. I thought that while she was in New Mobotropolis, whenever she physically appeared it was because of nanites gathering.

>>227840
You should read NICOLE's lynx-form debut. She talks directly about the difference between interpreting data and actually experiencing things. She notes that she knew absolutely everything about stars, but had never before actually seen one before.

>>227850
It doesn't bother to actually explain it much, but she first calls it a "complex simulation" with the problem being that it takes up a ton of power to generate. Sally assumes it's a hologram at first but is surprised that she can touch Nicole, and Nicole scoops up some water in her hands too. After a bit though she runs out of power and fades away. When she gets New Mobotropolis running, she can keep her body going because the city provides enough power (for the most part -- when too much power is diverted elsewhere she had trouble maintaining the body) and she was able to build a support system all throughout the city, so she could appear anywhere in the city. Later I think Rotor modified the HQ in Knothole so she could pull the same trick there (where there were no nanites.) So basically she just makes something like a hard-light projection but it takes up a lot of power to do it, so she doesn't do it outside the city. She could probably build a body out of the nanites since she controls them but what would be the point when the projection can touch and feel already? (maybe she could send it out of the city but that might be dangerous or out of her range or something)

Of course that's the old continuity, here it looks like it's a similar idea but she has to have the extra power from a ring to make her body. And I think she needs to stay close to the computer still.

Sonic Boom E3 Trailer TV DO NOT MAKE PUBLIC

Shhhh. Don't tell anyone.

Megaman Final Smash (E3 Super …

Super Fighting Robot! Megaman!! Fighting to save the world!!!

I love how comical Sonic Boom is turning out to be.
RIP boring as hell Sanic X

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/37753/sonic-the-hedgehog-being-adapted-for-feature-film
>Sony Pictures is working with Sega Sammy Group division Marza Animation Planet to bring Sonic the Hedgehog to the big screen, according to a press release from Marza.
>Sega's highly successful video game franchise is set to be adapted as a hybrid live-action/computer-animated movie
There is no possible way for this to be good.

>>227956

Dat crowd hype for Megaman. Puts a smile on my face. (And probably makes Capcom salty as all hell.)

>>227958
What is it with SEGA and pushing Sonic so hard lately? Not only do we have a new TV show, and a new game series, but also going concurrent with the canon series, tons of third party cameos, the comics of course, and now a damn movie franchise? Not just a movie, but a fucking FRANCHISE? To release ONE A YEAR? We're already getting new Sonic games every year. Not just a new one on consoles, but mobile devices as well.

Jesus christ, what is SEGA's plan here? To push Sonic in our face everywhere until we start thinking his games don't suck?

>>227979
>what is SEGA's plan here?

To make as much money as possible with their most popular character.

>>227979
Remember when Marvel was broke and sold their movie rights to anybody who would buy?

>>227988
Now we can't have Spider Man meets the Avengers

>>227979
Not too different for back than.
Two polar opposite cartoons shows. Two comic books. A crap lot of misc toys like rc cars and t-shirts. And seeking aid from Jackson.
Sega has always pushed Sonic hard.

>>227995
Except back then, Sonic was new. Sonic was hot. Sonic changed the industry, and Sega was actually more popular than Nintendo back then when they were still making consoles.

None of that is true anymore. It's a desperate attempt to still look like they're relevant.

Huh. I guess when I re-upped my subscription something got tangled. I got MM27 a week ago and thought I re-upped too late for 26, but today in the mail 26 arrived in a slightly different packaging than usual...

Oh well, at least I got it instead of having to go buy it.

Someone want to remind me why everyone hates Sonic X?

I watched all of the Japanese version for the hell of it, and for something Sonic related, I thought it was very well written. Second only to Ian's stuff.

>>227997
Something stays relevant as long as they push the product. Sonic may not be new anymore, but he never disappeared. He's still around because Sega pushed him. Look at the likes of Ninja Turtles


>>228005
1) The series was less about Sonic and most about Chris, the most uninteresting and annoying character in the series.
2) The bulk of it's original content was very poor. Any real praise that's given is about the Adventure game adaptions, the half-hearted DBGT rip-off.

>>228009
>Any real praise that's given is about the Adventure game adaptions, the half-hearted DBGT rip-off.

I don't Chris is REALLY as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Yes, he's a product of marketing and is pretty bland, but he's tolerable. Actually, what I really enjoy about it is the way the characters are written.

Everyone acts exactly like how I would love them to act, how their characters SHOULD ideally be written, and there are a lot of little "moments" that show the writers weren't afraid to try and evoke feelings from the audience. It was the first and only time, to my mind, where if something was "dark and mature" it wasn't forced like in the games, it felt natural. Sonic and just about everyone else has personality and depth that no other Sonic media ever even attempts to show besides the comics.

Japanese Sonic X Episode 49 Pa…

>>228011
>how their characters SHOULD ideally be written

I hope you never write Amy.

>>228011
Chris was tolerable at the start, but he and the human cast very quickly outstayed their welcome. In Chris's case, there was some sympathy to be had (inattentive parents), but he proved himself to be a selfish, cheating little bastard. He didn't grow or mature, he degraded into clingy and irrational. I'm thinking specifically how he punks his BEST FRIEND during the (idiotic) fighting tournament and when he denies Sonic the chance to go home.

The best parts of the show were the start of Episode 1 and the majority of the last episode of Season 2 - where it was Sonic & Co. battling Dr. Eggman. The 30+ named human characters were a distraction from what should've been Sonic's show.

(That said, Mr. Stewart and Ms. Garcia's investigation that led them to the man who shot Maria was a good use of the human supporting cast)

>...where if something was "dark and mature" it wasn't forced like in the games...

I'll go with your as far as Season 3, and then we're parting ways. Season 3 was needlessly gruesome and grim. I hate the Metarex Saga pretty much entirely.

>Sonic and just about everyone else has personality and depth that no other Sonic media ever even attempts to show besides the comics.

I call bullshit on that. There was no depth beyond the characters' archtypes. Those were showcased a lot (when they weren't be upstaged by the extraneous cast) but there wasn't any consequence to it.

I dunno - you seem to have gotten a lot more out of it than most people. At best, it had some pretty art and some fun moments. But it was a largely forgettable experience for me.

>>228012
not that guy, but:
>Tfw you liked some of the Amy moments in Sonic X (both dubbed and japanese)

Keyword: some

For example (from the top of my head): I liked how Amy made a little bracelet for Sonic as a good luck charm, because she was concerned that sonic's phobia of water would mean he wouldn't enjoy the beachtrip and wanted him to be there, and I also enjoyed how Amy slapped the shit out the killer robot that accidently broke said charm so hard Eggman actually ran away.

I liked how in the tournament arc she was the toughest opponent Sonic had to face not because of her hammer prowess, but because she put Sonic on the spot about if he actually gave a shit about her infront of a live audience comprising of everyone watching national television, because it was a actually interesting dilema for Sonic because Amy unwittingly cornered him between trying to keep his proud "2cool4u" image and not hurting Amy's feelings, and I hate how it was resolved with "SUDDENLY, A WILD EGGMAN APPEARS"

I liked how she basically became Fleetway Super Sonic pissed off tier because Bokun dissed her relationship with Sonic over the Eggcarrier loudspeaker one too many times in the english version, and how in the japanese version of that same episode they have Sonic give her that rose to nothing but music, because if I ignore the shipping, it reminds me of my favorite scene in Sonic and the Black Knight where Sonic gives Merlina that flower and tells her she should enjoy things while they last, giving him some much needed character depth

I don't really remember anything else, like the meterex saga stuff, but as you can see: most of the stuff I liked turns out to be the stuff that adds too Sonic and Amy, or too their cat and mouse relationship, because it did more than the game Amy's "stalker with a hammer" personality she had at the time as it actually showed glimpses of Amy with the compassion she was supposed to have. Obviously, Archie Amy is best Amy because they know when to turn Amy's psycho hammer valkyrie mode on and when to turn it off.

Hey, don't judge me, Amy has been depicted as a qt in the comic so far, and I liked how Sonic carried her across a runaway train and there wasn't a huge comotion over it. I like how Amy is so much calmer and actually reasonable in Archie than the games, and if at all possible I would love to see how Amy went from the games "stalk sonic untill he dates me, hey get back here don't make me hammer you" to archies "we flirt mid-crisis because sonic flirts with danger all the time, respect yo" when Ian is ready to present such a thing from his Continuity Corner (which, if i have to guess - which is foolish, I know - will probably be soon, because Werehog interactions and all, get hype, etc)

>I don't Chris is REALLY as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Yes, he's a product of marketing and is pretty bland, but he's tolerable.
Every other human characters was more than twice as interesting. Chris acted like he's always alone, but he has 3 good friends at school, a butler and maid that treat him like family, and granddad that lives up to his namesake. All that sympathy goes out the window very quickly. He's almost as bad as Princess Elise.


>Sonic and just about everyone else has personality and depth that no other Sonic media ever even attempts to show besides the comics.

Besides a few tearful moments with Emerl and Cosmos, the characters had as much depth and development as a paper towel. But it still beat the Sonic Team given them the depth of a wet paper towel.

Beside from the Metarex season(which was rumored to be more for the American fans ), Sonic X tried to play it too safe and come bland.

>>228016
Yeah, chris is all "boo hoo, n my parents don't love me," when they very obviously made sure that he would have not only people to keep an eye on him, but his own dang grandpa around at all times while they go win the bread to live in a super cool mansion.

>>228019
we gave her most of our lives
sacrificed most of our lives
we gave her everything money could buy

>Letter from Archie
>Explaining that Life With Archie is ending before my subscription to it does.
>The excess of my subscription to it will be automatically converted into an Archie Double Digest Subscription.
Oh, that's nice of them.
Archie is nice.

That's certainly nice of Ian to make that reference.

>>228079
They were probably stepping on too many legal toes as it was here. Without mentioning who the giant talking animal is, they could tell SEGA and Capcom that "no, its not Sonic or Tails"

15 Minutes of Sonic Boom Rise …

sanic boom gameplay

>>228109
I wish I had a clean version of that art. I'd edit it and put it on thecoverproject.

>>228108
I'm going to say that Eclipse is going to die by the end of this arc

>>228118
But then he can't fight the Werehog and the Dark Arms storyline will seem silly and short.

>>228119
>Silly and short
It's lasting aYear, a YEAR!

>>228109

Firstly I love that cover. Second:

>mechanical madness

Oh you clever man, you.

happy 23rd birthday, sonic

>>228201
Considering that this is another company altogether doing Sonic Boom, I'm doubtful. However, if SEGA wants to really push it, they could get Archie to do an SU arc. If it gets popular, I'm sure Archie will want to cash in. Has Ian stated any heavy interest in doing a Boom arc?

>>228205
Ian has been very Hush Hush about Boom in general, mostly because he has inside info, it seems.