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No.232085
Star versus The Forces of EvilAnonymous
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The hype for this show is killing me.
Opening: //youtube.com/watch?v=kDoWhMt2_gsyoutube thumb
Ending: //youtube.com/watch?v=2JarGnjpjYMyoutube thumb
The hype threads are already full of shiposters and contrarians.
The only worthwhile thought at the moment is that Star is Disney's answer to Steven Universe but we still have to wait to see the comparasion.
No.232088
Anonymous
I think anyone who says shows that come out with so little time between them are made in response to each other have no idea how long it takes to make an animated programme.

That said, this looks pretty fun! I'll def be checking it out.
No.232089
Nøpe
I have some concerns that it may try to add a bit of that Disney brand of teenybopper corniness, but that's probably just how Disney channel advertises their shit coupled with my paranoia from so many bad 00's shows and their horrific live action shows. I had the same worries with Gravity Falls and that turned out great so I'm probably worried over nothing.
No.232092
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>232095
If that voice acting that got released wasn't ROUGH early stuff I don't think I'll be able to watch it because HOLY FUCK THAT VOICE ACTING CHRIST

Which is a shame because fuck it looks fun.
No.232095
Anonymous
Replies:>>232100
>>232092
Watch a foreign dub if the orginal audio bothers you
No.232100
The Sneaky Tiki
>>232095
I guess that would my only option, but fuck Star's voice is unbelievably awful, like fuck listen to this, starts 16 seconds in.

//youtube.com/watch?v=_gr0Hz_mV1Myoutube thumb
No.232104
Anonymous
>>232100
That is some Internet-tier voice acting.
No.232105
Anonymous
Replies:>>232106
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>>232085
>The only worthwhile thought at the moment is that Star is Disney's answer to Steven Universe
About as much as it's Disney's answer to Bee & Puppycat just by being a western magic girl show.

Also, here's the bonking webm.
No.232106
Anonymous
>>232105
>Star.webm
So this is western animation
No.232464
Anonymous
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At some point, Marco will get to beat up at least one monster.

So he might not be dead weight after all.
No.232473
Anonymous
Replies:>>232479
>>232100
Heheh. Bee and puppycat. Yeah you can hear it.
No.232479
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>232484
>>232473
What?
No.232484
Anonymous
Replies:>>232486
>>232479
She sorta has the same speech style as the voice actress on bee and puppycat.
Just that lazily drawn-out vowel stuff with a guttural base.
No.232486
The Sneaky Tiki
Replies:>>232559
>>232484
Noooooo, way, couldn't be further after, Star has the voice of a chain smoking 60 year old.
No.232545
Anonymous
Replies:>>236312
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This gunna be a good show.
No.232559
Anonymous
>>232486
Looked it up, and the voice actress for Star (Eden Sher) was born in 1991. So she's just got one of those voices, I guess.
No.232571
Anonymous
So /co/ is shitting on the show extra hard, but I think it's ok.
No.232572
Anonymous
Replies:>>232573
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SD Download Link Time:

https://mega.co.nz/#!ZBsSyT7A!f7yBqV6HOa5wT5nv7RYk2hoptVM28ogN_kfiWWlQ65c

https://mega.co.nz/#!tBEhHIZJ!YGN8HY_7rIcc-WaIdzOeXpZFyV1pjrPDc9myXzA8NoQ
No.232573
Anonymous
Replies:>>232574
>>232571
>>232572
Pretty good show. Thanks for the links. So far it doesn't seem as great as others were potentially hyping it up to be, I guess. Nothing super hilarious either, but definitely not bad in any way.
No.232574
Anonymous
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720p Download Link Time:

https://mega.co.nz/#!tAhySL4Q!OQmIkNC5SR8ybBMQRa2e7dfcYkIa3DVMYlwpETshrws

>>232573
Hope for the best.
No.232575
Anonymous
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>>232571
It's just shitposting.
I mean, of course there are those with differing opinion, but, yeah, for the most part it's just shitposting.
No.232582
Anonymous
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No.232583
Anonymous
Replies:>>232585
What's with the horns? Homestuck homage?
No.232585
Anonymous
>>232583
Pretty sure it's just a hairband with devil horns on it. Just her having a unique fashion sense.
No.232586
Anonymous
Replies:>>232587
So far: one high school kid kidnapped by a monster butterfly, one lazer puppy sucked into a void, and a whole bunch of whales beached on dry land.

It's ok so far.
No.232587
Anonymous
>>232586
And don't forget:

Fall! Fall! Fall! Fall! Fall! Fall! Fall!
No.232588
Anonymous
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1080p Download Link:

https://mega.co.nz/#!IcUliAjJ!en6kiKhbOMnYa6yz5lfyoRI7R6dhCktptsY_h8Ub7LY

Following the proud Disney tradition of shilling different image resolutions of the same thing as separate things.
No.232594
The Sneaky Tiki
S'alright, I think I'll warm to it.
No.232596
Anonymous
Not sure what to think yet. I'll give it a few more full episodes to see if it clicks.
So far it seems kinda tropey.
No.232602
Anonymous
I'm getting a vague Kim Possible feel from it, only with a superpowered Mabel Pines instead of Kim and someone actually competant instead of Ron Stoppable.
No.232627
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>Burning rainbow
That actually looked pretty cool. I'm the Pyro, apparently.
No.232628
Anonymous
Pretty meh so far for me. Pacing is too fast, I just don't like those modern comedies that consider kids can't listen or concentrate for more than 10 minutes.
No.232637
Anonymous
Replies:>>232638
Oh, this show started last night? I didn't realize it was this soon, I must have confused it with something else and thought it aired in February. Guess I'm grabbing the 1080p version just because I saw the link for it first and already have it open.
No.232638
The Sneaky Tiki
>>232637
Preview.
No.232658
Anonymous
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No.232679
Anonymous
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http://www.nickandmore.com/2015/01/21/girls-power-disney-and-nick-series-premieres/

Good news, everyone! Ratings were actually pretty good.
No.232680
Sharkman Jhones
>>232085

Is there an official upload or something on Hulu or Netflix?
No.232681
Anonymous
Replies:>>232683
extremely meh so far, especially after such blind and forced hype for month. It looks nothing special. Nobody has a really interesting personality. Gags are pretty mediocre. Lots of "in your face" stuff like saying "turds". The only positive so far is that it does a few slapstick to the girl characters, which is rare.
No.232683
Anonymous
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>>232681

>rare

i miss kittybuse
No.232689
Anonymous
It doesn't feel like it has the DEEPEST LORE thing going on. It feels slightly too fast paced. I'll keep watching it.
No.232694
Anonymous
Replies:>>236417
Well I'm pretty much loving it to bits so far!

The animation is so full of personality and energy - especially considering its flash! Definitely one of the better uses of the tool. I'd say its debatably the best in the US so far.
I'm not HUGE on how fast paced or loud it gets, but I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on this one.
No.232814
Anonymous
//youtube.com/watch?v=3p6jekgFUtQyoutube thumb

Star needs to chill out. Like seriously, yeah.
No.232816
Anonymous
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The original Intro Animatic w/ theme song and Marco/Jackie shipping, among other surprises:

http://ianwasseluk.tumblr.com/post/109418763889/hey-everybody-i-guess-since-the-intro-for-star
No.233056
Anonymous
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Sneak Peek at the 10 years later comic.
No.233129
Anonymous
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No.233143
Anonymous
Replies:>>233239
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http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/02/12/star-vs-the-forces-of-evil-renewed-for-second-season-by-disney-xd-ahead-of-series-premiere/362688/

That's right! She's back before she's even formally arrived!
No.233239
Anonymous
>>233143
It's cheap comedy, they probably plan to make it their own spongebob/ttgo.
No.233391
Anonymous
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Chicks (and guys) dig the Hentai Hand.
No.233407
Anonymous
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https://mega.co.nz/#!4N9h0KLY!4k4vvbtG_9WsaMsU82zuuiY8N1feQUJAM7QEGU2MRAs
No.233527
Anonymous
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wtf?
is the leak real?
No.234274
Anonymous
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No.234275
Anonymous
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Wow this series is terrible. I am especially creeped out by the Joker-like grin on Star, but pretty much everyone has this constantly morphing mouth...
No.234422
Anonymous
New Sticky Internal Bleeding Trailer:

//youtube.com/watch?v=JNMB7VBonJYyoutube thumb
No.234437
Anonymous
>>234336
Of course it is. Whatever the majority of people likes sucks.
Not even sarcastic here.
No.234441
Anonymous
I hope you're at least being ironic, cayse you're just being a hipster at that point.
No.234460
Anonymous
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Match Maker/School Spirit in 1080p!

https://mega.co.nz/#!ZApBkbpT!kRcHhpP4aumaHECVAf9UxA045oSJ9UwHJIyVnnhyorA
No.234466
Anonymous
Replies:>>234467
This show sucks
No.234467
Anonymous
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>>234336
>>234466
No.234468
Sharkman Jhones
What sort of show is this, exactly? I know it's a comedy but is it episodic, with not much continuity focus or does it have any sort of overarching story?
No.234469
Anonymous
dude, is ZONE show.
We have a lot of zone material here
No.234474
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>>234468
>does it have any sort of overarching story?

Too early to tell. Only four quarter-hour episodes are out so far.
No.234485
Anonymous
>>234468
From what I've heard the creator plans to have an overarching story, but at this stage it's setting up the foundation of the setting.
The teacher was turned into a troll and still is one in later episodes, so there's continuity, if albeit a little.
No.234854
Anonymous
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Cheer Up Star/Quest Buy!

https://mega.co.nz/#!gBIhXB4I!JQP6efx24V_TcF7xkcBs0tTB5tyqmgtoLGVWHvkKBbU
No.234950
Anonymous
Replies:>>234954
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Diaz Family Vacation/Party Bus

https://mega.co.nz/#!5NxgnTpZ!IKElyynUSfeZ0uJjsHIaswM18vAKtH7mTO366yXc_AU

Party Hard and Try Not to Get Eaten.
No.234954
The Sneaky Tiki
>>234950
It's a rick roll.
No.234965
Anonymous
>>234954
In this day and age?
No.234967
Anonymous
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>>234954
Real deal:
https://mega.co.nz/#!J8whXZoY!Bn1izpcovz-j6aVTeoMRupa5IH4IouzYVAI8fIQP1-U

Also this.
No.235737
Anonymous
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No.236008
Anonymous
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No.236243
Anonymous
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Mewberty/Pixtopia 720p:

https://mega.co.nz/#!uBl2jQYY!6FvRSa4lmJkc-8jB1xLLU6cuW_LBDBe-kGBksia-3T4
No.236312
Anonymous
So after what happened to Star, I'm thinking a good number of monsters Star faces, like >>232545 and probably the ones working for Olga, might in fact be formerly more human-like people who handled a sensitive time of their lives very poorly and wound up permanently mutating.
No.236313
Anonymous
Replies:>>236326
>>235737
Sweet! Is there more?
No.236326
Anonymous
>>236313
Whole comic's on exhentai
No.236417
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Replies:>>236451
>>232694
>The animation is so full of personality and energy - especially considering its flash!

Super late on this, but the show isn't actually made with Flash, it's a similar program called Harmony that's been used for stuff like Adventure Time and Wander Over Yonder.
No.236451
Anonymous
Replies:>>236453
>>236417
I hope it can hold up, heard Star and Cunningham just got swapped to different production companies.
No.236453
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Replies:>>236588
>>236451
Mewberty/Pixtopia was animated by Toon City and the episodes before that were Mercury Filmwork, but that doesn't mean Toon City are doing every episode from now on. It's quite common for a show to have a couple different studios working on it simultaneously.

Unless you're talking about something else.
No.236570
Anonymous
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Lobster Claws/Sleep Spells:

https://mega.co.nz/#!DNly1ZaZ!SizT3YNUkB9QP4OHUu8k4VxrlNjMWndxOnV5jADmvrs

Things get mental.
No.236588
Anonymous
>>236453
I guess that explains why those episodes felt different.
No.236589
Anonymous
Replies:>>236592
>>236588
Word is Mercury Film work was given a big project from Disney hence the trade off.
No.236590
Anonymous
I'm kinda wondering how long it would have taken them to actually mine enough shards to pay off the bill, just since I honestly was expecting it to be a ridiculously short amount of time for them to go and skip out on it.
No.236592
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Replies:>>236597
>>236570
This episode is credited to both, so I'm guessing it'll probably be about an even mix for this season.

>>236589
Seems to be something called "Atomic Puppet". It's apparently airing on Disney XD in the US, but not being produced by Disney itself.

According to Craig McCracken, Mercury Filmworks also left Wander Over Yonder entirely because they didn't have the time available for the second season, so they're switching to Boulder Media.
No.236597
Anonymous
>>236592
Whoo boy a whole bunch of shuffling. Hope it all goes well.
No.236600
Anonymous
Replies:>>236801
>>236570
>Star turns into a monster and might have stayed that way if she didn't make out with some idiot keytaurist.
>Two episodes later she tells a monster to go back to living with her enemies as if it's some kind of natural order.
I like this, it's consistent for Star to not immediately realize what's wrong.
It's also cute how the laser puppies learned to tone down their beams for little love-lasers.
No.236642
Anonymous
Replies:>>238837
>>236588
Actually, rewatching them I've noticed how crazy quiet they are. Hardly any background music. It's very disjointing.
No.236801
Anonymous
Replies:>>236918
>>236600
She does recognize that there is some good in Lobster Claw. At least, enough that he couldn't completely corrupt the wand.

It's just that he preferred being a bad guy.

Sleep Spells is much the same way with the villain realizing her faults, but decided to take the easy way out in the end.

It's a sobering message for kids if you think about it: There's good in everyone, but that doesn't mean everyone will choose to be good.
No.236918
Anonymous
>>236801
Yeah, that's why I threw in an "immediately". Good message, though.
No.237140
Anonymous
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No.237149
Anonymous
Replies:>>237165
>>237140
No.
No.237155
Anonymous
>>237140
Well, she is Disney, XD cartoons being treated as their own universe notwithstanding. Though I think given the nature of the keys as implements of dimensional travel, I'd think the scissors would be a more appropriate choice. Plus, the wand changing appearance to match the user makes it an odd choice for a keyblade, which needs a distinct style to separate it from the others.
No.237165
Alpharius
>>237149
Yes.
No.237299
Anonymous
Replies:>>237319
Just started watching this.

I figured Star would be a stereotypical "crazy" girl, but I was not expecting her to be quite so... chaotic evil? I mean I'm looking at this body count she's racking up. It's not good. Those devil horns on her hairband are not just for show.
No.237319
Anonymous
>>237299
Yeah, Star can be very reckless and impulsive, but she hasn't really been trying to kill people. I mean aside form the football incident, and that was just her lack of understanding making her think she needed to defend the school. She's learning, though, and I think Marco's doing a better job of teaching her than St. Olga's Reform School would. On the other hand, that is based on my suspicion that St. Olga's going to be revealed as a major villain once Ludo starts being overshadowed.
No.237323
Anonymous
Looking up when the new episode is, I notice a Wander over Yonder short is going air at the end as a TV broadcast interruption by Hater:
http://wanderoveryonder.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Take
No.237369
Anonymous
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Blood Moon Ball/Fortune Cookies:

https://mega.co.nz/#!vE8SUYwb!vKny7IlRzchUrGUpwaRmpQMmwV8hhvpxxNMh6j4WLAw
No.237838
Anonymous
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St. Olga's Reform School for Wayward Princesses:
https://mega.co.nz/#!kckzzTBb!35VYfhOzfpt071vd06KwfpFMSLVVF1ONzFhII0TtAE4

I'm not entirely certain this is the episode where things properly kick into gear, but if not than considerably soon, which means I'll be able to talk about it more with the people who are really into things with plot that I hang out with on IRC.
No.238299
Anonymous
So, Mewni is basically the worst parts of American and maybe European history with a sparkly magic coating?
No.238837
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
Replies:>>238842
>>236642
>Actually, rewatching them I've noticed how crazy quiet they are. Hardly any background music. It's very disjointing.
It's not just music, there's a bizarre lack of ambient sound effects as well. It's like whoever is in charge of sound doesn't do anything that's not specified in the script, leaving huge stretches of dead air everywhere.
No.238842
Anonymous
>>238837
I think that's my biggest problem with the series. Feels like I would enjoy it alot more if it didn't sound so empty.
No.238843
Anonymous
Replies:>>238852
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Toffee is best villain ever. :)

Also, did Star just blow his arm off? Huh... odd he can grow that back, but not his finger.
>>238843
Are these episode titles from some website? or you are drawing these fanart-titles yourself a' la Batman TAS?
No.238855
Anonymous
>>238851
I love it when calm villains show little hints of joyful instability like that.
No.238858
thatother1dude !!/PKS88+dMMc
>>238851
>did Star just blow his arm off?
You can actually see it's missing for a split-second when he's knocked back.
No.238859
Anonymous
>>238851
Maybe the finger missing is itself the actual code he uses to access stuff, and someone else with a missing fingertip could bypass it?
No.239997
Anonymous
So, now I have On Deemand in my room and I've actually watched the finale.
I'm not sure entirely what direction things go from here, but it'll be interesting.
No.247915
Anonymous
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No.247921
Anonymous
>>247915
what a necrobump
No.417720
Anonymous
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>dead thread
>othersite can't be posted on because newowner is probably collecting people's data
>no marco bf
No.418034
Anonymous
>>417720
true anonymity on imageboards is hard to come across sadly
No.418035
Black Hand ## Developer
>>417720
This is wrong in several ways.
- moose is still the owner, I just keep the place functional.
- I do it because I'm a regular on the site, not because I need your info.
- even if I wanted your info, there's nothing in the DB I could use. The only data in there, in a meaningful volume, is key-encrypted IP numbers.
- I don't WANT your info. The only thing the site needs, for moderation, is IP adresses (technically it could function without that too, but moderating would be harder.
- we don't have anyone archiving us in real time (like desuarchive), so technically you have slightly larger anonimity here than on other sites. This is offset by the fact that we don't purge old posts, so if you posted some stupid shit two years ago, the post remains there today, but you don't have a search page to look it up.
- I'd in fact like it more if we introduced thread purging (old posts being "forgotten" is what made imageboards truly anonymous in the long run), but we don't have the post rate for that. But hey, make the site as active as 4chan's /b/ was twelve years ago, and I'll be willing to make the place as anonymous as technically possible.


The thread is pretty dead I can't argue with that. What is the latest episode? I saw it up until the spade cheek lady got the magic wand back and ran away with her de-aged monster daughter, to hook up with her old husband. Has there been anything new since?
No.418040
Anonymous
Replies:>>418054
>>418035
"othersite" probably means 4chan. Hiro is collecting data. Same with 8ch.
>>418035
That's pretty much the last episode, yes.
I honestly only watch the show for anthros now. The whole anti-establishments "kids are always right, adults are stupid" message is so transparent, I wonder if some Che Guevara-T-shirt-wearing idealist communist kid is writing this shit. And only the plot-moving episodes are worth anything, but those are few and far between a lot of teen romance nonsense.
>>418040
What do you care if he is "collecting data". What data can he collect, your IP address? I change that every week.
No.418056
Anonymous
Replies:>>418081
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>>418054
>What data can he collect
all the private things i admit under the veil of anonymity (ie. data posted on the website), all the deviant threads i have browsed and commented in (access requests) and my obsessive favourite interests (by processing that data), all linked back to an IP which, if processed by a large collector of data such as Google (note: reCAPTCHA creators) or a popular tracker service, can be linked to my other online accounts and likely to my person.

basically any party the data is sold to (not likely to be parties worthy of trust) could blackmail a lot of people, and that's not even considering if they get hacked so someone else can do it. also, that data is used for targeted ads.

>I change that every week.
Browser fingerprinting almost certainly makes you unique and therefore traceable regardless of IP address.
>https://amiunique.org/
No.418058
Anonymous
Replies:>>418081
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>>418054
Your posts can be parsed and based on the content, used for targeted ads on other sites. With the IP address, it can be paired to your activity on other sites. However this is just speculation; what is actually known is that Hiro runs several scripts that make your machine act as a proxy for clicking offsite ads via javascript. They are set up so if you disable said scripts, the site removes all images and stylesheets, breaking it completely. There's also google analytics, and google recaptcha; the latter makes it impossible to spend more than 15 minutes posting on the site because after around that much time it starts dropping unsolvable captchas.

And this is just what we KNOW of.
>>418056
If that worked, I'd be swamped with furry porn and dragon dildo ads... Which I ain't... Plus, unless you are some politician or CEO, not much to worry about blackmailing since it would not be worth it.
>>418058
The only Hiro I know is that time-stopping guy on Heroes... and what Google recaptchas? I have never had to fill in any captchas on this site, ever.
No.418086
Anonymous
>>418081
>The only Hiro I know is that time-stopping guy on Heroes... and what Google recaptchas? I have never had to fill in any captchas on this site, ever.

Hiro is the guy who moot sold 4chan to, and he's been steadily making the site more unbrowsable. The recaptchas on 4chan are partially Google's fault since they killed their old, text based recaptcha in favour of the mobile crap, but hiro could have implemented 8chs own recaptchas - he doesn't.
No.418089
Anonymous
>>418081
>not much to worry about blackmailing since it would not be worth it
There is still a chance I might be a blackmail target due to career path. Hopefully not, but I like to be cautious. I'm almost enjoying my paranoia!
Plus an automated blackmail program similar to ransomware may be feasible in the future. You're right though, it's not really an immediate concern.
>I have never had to fill in any captchas on this site, ever.
And that's why I love this site. Autonymous (our admin) realised that they weren't the solution to our spam problems, but on loads of more popular sites they make captcha compulsory to prevent bot spam. Unfortunately the majority of sites just use Google's version for convenience and assurance.

(I'm glad to continue but it may derail the thread. Maybe reply in >>>/baw/415307 ?)
No.418117
Anonymous
We have little traffic nowadays so it doesn't really matter where you discuss this, IMO.
No.420484
Anonymous
The show just ended apparently, and /co/ on 4chan has 31 threads about it at this moment.
No.420488
Anonymous
That's because Star is a fuck who literally committed Genocide to solve her personal problems.
No.420489
Meester Tweester
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>>420488
That's what you get when your main writer is an insecure womanchild.
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>>420489
Lol explains why I grew to hate the show. Its message was so obviously forced. Why is it that it seems in america, only liberals get to make such propaganda toons? They own all the media? I have yet to see a toon with a similarly forced conservative message
.>>420488
Whom did she genocide? The mewmin aka her own people, in her grreat white guilt, 'cause oh poor oppressed monsters and stuff?
No.420526
Anonymous
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>>420524
She unmade Magic, so everything that relied on magic in all dimensions died.
And the only part of it she was upset by was when it seemed like it would mean her and her boytoy wouldn't be together anymore, but thanks to plot fiat her homeland and Earth were merged and a bunch of violent monsters are now dropped ontop of humanity.

The moral of the story is- The only way to stop a genocide is with a greater genocide.
No.420527
Anonymous
>>420526
>The moral of the story is- The only way to stop a genocide is with a greater genocide of a 3rd party.