/baw/ - General Discussion

I do want to give special thanks to the mods and janitors who have stuck around for this long and have helped to clean up filth, despite my almost-complete radio silence:
- eating
- freehaven
- sneakytiki
- Venkman

But... why?

>>416406
Because everything must come to an end.

>>416406
The board software is broken in multiple ways and needs an extreme overhaul or replacing. The host recently upgraded PHP/mySQL and I don't know if that has left any time bombs (nor what, if any, version I could switch back to in order to avoid that.) I don't have the will, energy, or, frankly, interest to do so. (In my defense, I don't have the interest to do anything.)

It's only a matter of time until the next CP spam wave, and if this wave has certain features there's no sufficient method to stopping it.

Even without that, posting and other site actions routinely fail. This site has been on life support for about two years now, and I'm finally pulling the plug.

Well now I'm depressed

Can you at least leave a read-only archive? One of the biggest problem with the new site was that the archives all died.

>>416408
Well, now somebody needs to create an 8chan version of +4chan.

YES THAT MAY NOT BE THE PERFECT OPTION, but anything is better than accepting death.

>>416410
I'll consider it, but that's unlikely

Finally!
I mean, I loved this boards a lot as well, but it has been death for several years now.
I'll gonna miss ya, but the good times have been over a long, long time ago.

RIP

It's been fun, fuckers. Gonna miss this place.

Hit me up on Twitter, Tumblr, or Mastodon if you wanna stay in touch with me (fat chance, but still).

>>416415
Are you on fb as well?

For a site that I haven't really been active on in something like 6 years, I'm gonna miss the shit out of it. Fuck, this place was my primary hangout for ages, made a bunch of friends in the heyday. Can't say I'm surprised, given how little happens here nowadays, but still... it'll be missed.

>>416411
>/baw/
Could create a board on 8chan, it's not made yet. Not sure if you'll get many posters though.

>/co/
4chan: >­>/co/ or >­>/trash/ for threads not allowed in /co/
or 8chan /co/. I've never used it but it seems sane.

>/cog/
>/jam/
>/mtv/
So many substitutes, even just use the equivalents on 4chan.

>/a/
>/draw/
>/j/
>/z/
confirmed dead

>[porn boards]
drained by >>/aco/ and then >>/trash/, leaving mostly loli. I reckon there's a bunch of *chans they already use.

>/coc/
Possibly the only unique board.
You could claim 8chan's /coc/ (Clash of Clans). It's long dead, so you can claim it (takes about a week) and nuke it.

>>416422
here you go
https://discord.gg/bxxAvyQ

Just join the fb /co/ group, Mr. B isn't there anymore and it's actually pretty all right.
And if you are into that nonsense of "shitposting", the vydia group is there for you.

>>416424
Thre's a plus4 group as well, but it's as active as this board as well.

>>416416

Nope, sorry. Used it for a month just a little over a decade ago, didn’t like it, deleted my account, then watched it become what it is today. I am grateful that I didn’t use it any more than I did.

BTW: stephentstone on Tumblr, Regular_Stone on Twitter, Stephen_Stone over on the mastodon.social instance of Mastodon.

>>416420

If just for the civility and the lack of constant shitposting and such that goes on over on regular 4chan

>>416427
Definitely, but for me this place is also great because it's less addictive. I often got invested in threads for days over there.

Later fuckers

Gonna miss this site, you guys are super chill compared to the constant noise of regular 4Chan.

Calling all. This is our last cry before our eternal silence

It's been a long time since I browsed this site, but I got that steam notification and was amazed to see this place was still up. It looks so much different than I remember though.

RIP /co/'s skycastle. You will be miss.

Can't say I'm surprised, but still sad. It was fun while it lasted.

Don't say goodbye. The French say au revoir.

>>416439
I thought the french say HON HON HON HON HON HON HON

>>416404
Rest in Reese's pieces

apparently the other link expired

https://discord.gg/bxxAvyQ

>>416408
>>416404
Have you considered letting someone in onto the codebase in order to fix it up, or giving the site to someone else to manage? I can't exactly say I'd be up to it, but I'd be interested (I do sitebuilding and php for a living), and I may have one or two options for hosting too. My only limit would be how much free time I have next to work.

If you don't want that, will you at least allow for a site archive, if not hosted here but made available for others? On a torrent or something?


>>416439
>Don't say goodbye. The French say au revoir.

This is the end dear, the time of night when we delight in turning in,
But please remember, it's not goodbye but just until we meet again.

>>416445
>Have you considered letting someone in onto the codebase in order to fix it up, or giving the site to someone else to manage?
If someone made a serious proposal, I would (probably) turn it over to them. I don't want +4 to close, but I don't have the ability to manage it anymore myself.

If you or someone else is interested, they can e-mail me.

>If you don't want that, will you at least allow for a site archive, if not hosted here but made available for others? On a torrent or something?
I will most likely upload an archive somewhere for those who really want it (for some reason.) I will also make archives for the old versions of the website available at that time.

>>416446
your email is hidden by that cloudflare email protection thingamajing.

>>416447
Weird, it's displaying fine for me. Another go at it, then:
anonymoose.chan
at
gmail
dot
com

Will it all vanish from the internet or remain here on this address as an archive?

>>416454
I'm guess moose is going to stop paying the server fees and so the site will be off the internet.

I recommend downloading anything you care about.

>>416457
I meant to say hosting fees.

>>416454
It's possible I'll leave it in read-only mode for a few extra months; either way, I intend to provide downloads for the site and scrapes I did of the old boards.

I guess I'm okay with this. I haven't had a solid reason to frequent the site for a few years now. I'll fondly remember the /mspa/ board back when it was still around; it was super active and my favorite place on the internet to discuss Homestuck. /a/ was also great while Legend of Korra still aired. After that, I never really fell into any of the other communities and have mostly just been lurking for three years.

Goodbye, all! I'll remember you fondly.

>>416464
Only December will decide whether this is truly the end.

I remembered this site existed for the first time in forever today, only to find this news. Dang.

I rarely posted and mostly anonymously, but I had a lot of fun lurking here and I recognize some of the names in this thread from years ago. I initially came for /pco/ but stayed for the Korra threads and Archie Sonic threads, since this was my favorite place to discuss those series. I also went to /jam/ almost every day for a while and occasionally /cog/, and /baw/ was pretty good for a general discussion board. This place was a nice alternative to other chan sites and I'm going to miss it.

Rodyle just banned me from the Discord because I support Trump apparently?

He wanted to argue about the Trump British/Twitter fiasco and I declined due to being busy with homework. I linked him to a video by Sargon of Akkad just to avoid the drama... And he banned me. Not an explanation or response, just a straight out ban.

Is this what Plus4chan has become? I've been part of /co/ for over a decade. I'm G_Ruby! I remember half of you from the old days of the Rizon IRC where we'd get drunk and talk shit to each other on Tinychat.

What the fuck has happened in the past few years? I know I've been gone, being in the Army and all, but I didn't think groupthink would ever be necessary HERE.

>>416475
I'll see what I can do, I'm there so I know you weren't being obnoxious about it or anything....though I still haven't watched that video, but I'll still go to bat for you.

>>416476

Thank you.

I wouldn't make a huge deal of it if it wasn't for the fact that the entire community is migrating there within a month.

To be so salty and corrupt over something so inane as political differences --- sad!

>>416475
>What the fuck has happened in the past few years? I know I've been gone, being in the Army and all, but I didn't think groupthink would ever be necessary HERE.

It's everywhere, because if you don't support it, you are automatically a Nazi. It's really shameful that we have gotten so far.

Maybe the discord is moderated by different people, not the ones who moderate the site? I dunno. I've seen a bunch of vitriolic discussions removed on /pco/ as well, in order to "reduce the drama". Which is a fair point; but it feels like nobody is actually making ANY discussions there anymore...

It feels that we, as humans, went too far in trying to create a comfortable place for us.

>>416478

I've noticed it since leaving the Army as well.

When I enlisted in 2013, the US was still relatively sane. While in, I had heard rumblings of discontent but it was all far away --- the military is pretty strict about avoiding political bias at work --- we all work for the POTUS. But damn, since being back in the civilian world, it feels like Soviet Russia. If you deviate from the mainstream discourse in any way you are censored or worse.

I am not optimistic about the future anymore.

I support his ban after watching the video, I'm sorry.

Well now I'm curious. What was that video?

The very smallest of violins.

Also I've no idea about deletion in pco as I've literally never looked at the channel after making it.

>>416475
>Is this what Plus4chan has become?
>implying +4 is a discord chat
As someone who moderated our politics thread, I can assure you personally that is not what we have become. No-one ever (afaik) banned someone for even extreme political views. There was only one brief issue with a few deleted posts but Stone owned up to it and never did it again.

Like you said, a lot of the community is migrating there so it would be heartbreaking to see shitty moderation like that ban.

>>416478
>I've seen a bunch of vitriolic discussions removed on /pco/ as well, in order to "reduce the drama"
I don't mod that board, but all I remember was "pedophiles kys" vs. "loli is not wrong" shitposting (and I do not mean to imply the debate topic is inherently shitposting: their discussion itself was). I think it's fair to request it be redirected to, for example, the politics thread here, because that is a dedicated porn board and this is the discussion board.

>>416479
>If you deviate from the mainstream discourse in any way you are censored or worse.
And this is why many of us visit *chan sites. Mainstream society is always regulating public speech, whether it be religious dogma or political correctness. The anonymity and (for lack of a better word) isolation of imageboards and other sites provides a low-risk outlet for honesty.

>>416480

FYI - Serv wasn't an alt of mine. He's a friend from Operatorchan and /k/. Another community that I've been in for over a decade and that still has intellectual courage and consistency.

Here is a capture of the conversation upholding my ban: https://imgur.com/a/ASzK7

Lets recall some things here:

[1] I posted the video, //youtube.com/watch?v=I5ajF8Ust9k , after being asked by Rodyle to respond to a throwaway joke.

[2] This conversation took place in #news --- A chatroom in which controversy and differing views would presumably be allowed.

[3] How is criticism of ISLAM, RACISM? Islam is a RELIGION, not a race.

[4] I study geopolitics! The criticism of Islamic immigration is specifically of the infiltration of Wahhabist and Salafist radicals and the inability of western nations leaders to speak openly about this violent contingent out of fear of being censured --- much like I've been here.

[5] Sargon of Akkad is a Liberal and a Centrist! He's not racist in the least! What about the video do you take exception to?

I am genuinely surprised that the Discord folks have decided to uphold the ban. They invited me to debate and then banned me when I politely declined and posted another news source, which they disagree to. Please tell me /co/ hasn't become TUMBLR?

Being blown away by the rationality here

>>416483 (me)
My mistake, I didn't read that properly and thought you meant our /pco/, not the Discords. I haven't visited that yet.

>>416484
>Please tell me /co/ hasn't become TUMBLR
Oh right, you left about the time "/co/mblr" became a thing.

>>416487

Oh God, I was making a joke. Please tell me you are, too.

>>416488
/co/ is/was seen to be the most left-leaning board.

In 4chan Cup, when /co/ plays /pol/, it's called the "Left vs. Right" derby.

>>416485
>>416480
How do you justify the ban? Were you banning him for political views or some other reason?

I have not visited Discord and am only judging by what has been posted ITT.

>>416483
>And this is why many of us visit *chan sites.

Unfortunately, some of them already has this mentality. 4chan in particular has become a shithole. Some boards more than others. It is mostly due to all the moderation moderating for themselves, not the community. And since Hiro doesn't care about the site at all, the moderators get free reign. Some rules can also be abused to effectively censor discussions, as well as the latest "meta in /qa/ only" rule. So now no one can speak about the state of the boards, only on some shit containment board that no one would care to visit, administration included.

>The anonymity and (for lack of a better word) isolation of imageboards and other sites provides a low-risk outlet for honesty.

The anonymity was only part of it. The other important part is that 4chan moved SO fast, that it was impossible to track or record any discussions. Everything was gone in minutes, or hours at most. This is not the case anymore, threads can stay alive for a week now even on bigger boards.

This is partially what killed +4chan I think. This place was meant to be for things that 4chan didn't allow, such as extra porn boards or /co/ projects. But 4chan can do a lot of those things now, over ten years later.

There are still a few niche things that this place does better though. I still check it daily for that, and perhaps because I'm just used to doing so.

>>416490

Rodyle literally said he banned me because I am a Trump supporter. Here is the screencap:

https://imgur.com/a/ASzK7

I suspect there is going to be another /co/ schism soon if this is the face of the community now.

>>416491
>Some boards more than others.
The only reason I still visit. I went to /mu/ yesterday out of curiosity and found it covered in political bait (and then a post complaining about that fact). It legitimately looked like a half-assed raid.

>as well as the latest "meta in /qa/ only" rule. So now no one can speak about the state of the boards
Haha yes. I am aggravated at the number of threads I've seen where people asking why a post got deleted get deleted. It doesn't solve the problem if you just confuse people.

There's one board in particular with essentially zero moderation (and it's actually surprisingly comfy) (no it isn't fucking /b/) and I made a post asking which boards they thought had the worst mods, since the thread would get deleted elsewhere. There is likely to be a community bias there, but well over half the posts said /co/, with second place being /v/.

>This is partially what killed +4chan I think. This place was meant to be for things that 4chan didn't allow, such as extra porn boards or /co/ projects. But 4chan can do a lot of those things now, over ten years later.
Definitely. /aco/ and another board killed +4chan. /pco/ was the main attraction and now it really only appeals to loli/ss posters.

>>416494
>I suspect there is going to be another /co/ schism soon
That Lion King thread[s] give me hope. /co/ became /b/ for a day, but in a good way.

Basically someone posted Lion King r34 in a thread and it stayed up getting bumped for 5 hours. Anons made a couple of threads for posting all the posts /co/ would usually delete.

>>416494
>I suspect there is going to be another /co/ schism soon if this is the face of the community now.

There is no schism whatsoever to happen. Marvel and DC are actively feeding the SJW PC culture, which then invites more such people to comics discussions, meanwhile those of us who... you know, like to read comics, are getting increasingly disillusioned about the treatment the big two gives its characters. Or in other words, the characters and storylines we grew up with, they all got removed in the last secret war / crisis, and we have entirely new ones in their place. Oh, and this happens every damn year, too. All books are written for the trade format too, not for single issues, so what would fit in a single issue is now spread among 6 issues.

About the only good stuff on /co/ are the occasional euro comic storylines by phillywilly. And on that note: a few days ago, /v/ had a huge Asterix/euro comic thread, and it was WAY better than any such discussion I've seen on /co/ for years.

>/aco/ and another board killed +4chan.

Those boards are both junk. /aco/ is western /d/, and /trash/ is closer to what /aco/ should have been. The one thing that they have over our /pco/ is that they have no DNP list at all. Which is funny because /pco/ instead deletes stuff that gets too popular or has too long discussions, which is what I think really killed it - any time something popular is posted, people jump on it, it eventually gets removed due to "drama", and the board gets a little more empty.

But I still think it is a better board, cause /pco/ has artists more welcomed, the two boards on 4chan are actively anti-content: if the artist draws something the board mods don't like or allow. And yeah, that includes loli, like it or not, if you post adult art of comic/cartoon characters, that will invariably include characters who look underage.

The drawthreads are the worst on all of 4chan btw. Moderators just randomly delete everything there that they don't like. There's no feedback at all. I remember in the old times, if someone repeatedly asked for something, his thread wasn't silently deleted, it was left alive with the "user got deleted for this message" text for everyone to see that something isn't allowed - if it was a lone thread, it got pinned. Hulkbusted, was the term, I reckon.

>>416496
I feel that this only works when the mods are away. Now that you mention it, the few fun threads I see are ones I see at work, and since I'm in Europe this would mean that in the USA it is still too early. Could be why the mods don't respond.

Do you have an archive link for that thread?

I'm sure that Marvel and DC, and the discord are really going to suffer over the loss of the much coveted Good Ol Boys demo.

>>416499

That is the thing --- I am not a "Good Ol' Boy". I am a black veteran who lives and studies in Seattle. I am far from whatever caricature of villainy you want to paint everyone who doesn't agree with your binary worldview as.

You don't even know if I support Trump or just support honest discussion on the topic of immigration and reform of Islamic doctrine.

You could have taken the time to engage with me, but you chose to ban and mock me.

You are literally everything you purport to hate.

Shit you're right I just checked in the mirror and I was the Nazi the whole time, man who literally admitted he's a Trump supporter and just honestly reposts white supremacists

>>416501
Could you move your stupid argument elsewhere please? Nobody gives a fuck if you are a Trump supporter or a muslim extremist or a Teutonic Knight or the "Samurai who the jews fear".

>>416501

So you admit you banned me simply for being a Trump supporter and not anything I did or said?

How is Sargon of Akkad, a quarter-black British liberal who is bashed by the Alt-Right constantly, a white supremacist?

ah yes, forever clean of being a nazi by that most left wing of logics, the one drop rule


I banned you for being a nazi who posts nazi shit. Which is what Sargon is, no matter what nonsense about him being a liberal or you just "seeking open discussion" or whatever other horse shit you spout. Y'all are not welcome on the server, which makes it really baffling why you are trying to like, argue your way back on it, especially when it should be very obvious that the preset smokescreens aren't working.

>>416503
Dude, you need to stop. He already made a fool out of himself. Just drop it.

>>416504
You are the Nazi, not him.

Now both of you fuck off.

>>416506
>You are the Nazi, not him.
purging the good and honests national socialists of this world, thatsa me

Alright, I give up. Its obvious the community has morphed into something alltogether disturbing and alien in my absence.

I'll just linger about until the the closing day then go back to 4/co/ or hope that enough other folks migrate to 8/co/ to revive it again.

For the folks in this thread who were rational and level-headed in this thread, I thank you for your support.

For the... "/co/mbler" contigent, I sincerely hope that someday you come to realize that you're one of the reasons our hobby is rapidly decaying.

On a tangent, whatever happened to Hellstroem, Astro, Jane, Coelasquid, Kaziklu, Lobster Johnson, Supra Nigra, Maru, Kosh and the rest of the 2010-2012 /co/ crew?

>>416507
When you ban someone for thinking something you think he shouldn't, ie. you block others from practicing their free speech, that's when you are a literal Nazi. And yes, free speech means that they may say something you don't like. If you had any inclination of what you are speaking of, you'd know this.

Nice jobs filling this thread up with /pol/ shit, faggot.

>>416510
>When you ban someone for thinking something you think he shouldn't, ie. you block others from practicing their free speech
TIL throwing someone out of my own discord=book burning and protest breaking

you losers love to pretend otherwise but people not letting you smear shit on their walls and throwing you out isn't political oppression, it's just keeping the house clean

>>416508
>For the... "/co/mbler" contigent, I sincerely hope that someday you come to realize that you're one of the reasons our hobby is rapidly decaying.

That one is unfortunately a cycle that feeds itself. Something becomes popular by some subgroup, the big two will jump on the bandwagon and start catering for whatever is popular. 90s had this same thing going on when Todd, Rob, and Erik made extreme muscles, extreme anatomy, and extreme guns and gore a thing: suddenly all comics had that cause it was popular. They had a comic with Doctor Doom of all people, crying when he saw 9/11 happen, because that was the hot topic at the time.

I'm only hoping that they'll finally stop reimagining everything in this regard, as they have since found out that this does not turn into sales. Marvel also booted Bendis, so that's another chance that they might just be able to start making good comics with actual continuities again.

But it is also the rest of the world that needs to stop the PC bullshit, because it is getting way out of hand (for the record: I live in Europe).

>>416511
nobody cares.
fuck off already.

>>416513
Clearly quite a few people cared, given all the posts about it.

Nah.

>>416515

PLease keep >>416509 up.

I am honestly curious about what happened to my friends from before this dystopia emerged.

>>416510

>When you ban someone for thinking something you think he shouldn't, ie. you block others from practicing their free speech, that's when you are a literal Nazi.

You have the right to speak your mind, but you do not have the right to make people listen. The owners and operators of a privately-owned/privately-run platform have the right to say “we don’t do [x] here”. If you keep doing [x], they have the right to boot you from that platform. Their right of association can and should be upheld. You have yet to say why it should not.

>>416498
Finally found it. https://boards.fireden.net/co/thread/96767984

>>416515
It's literally about the discord linked in the OP.

>>416516
That is on-topic. It's cool.

Most of them just left the site years ago, when or before we switched to the new plus4chan.org. I can't say what happened to them.

>>416517
Absolutely true, but then again I hold the view that he's using the +4chan name and therefore should try to keep a similar legacy. Restrictive moderation defeats the entire founding purpose of our *chan.

>>416518

Oh fuck, the reaction images and all.

I can't stop laughing. Its pure nostalgia.

Fuck, I miss THAT. THAT is what /co/ should be.

>>416520

>I hold the view that he's using the +4chan name and therefore should try to keep a similar legacy.

That’s cute. Admirable, even. Now, show me where he is obligated to do so.

>>416519
Yeah but I don't like discord and so I want to ban all discord users.

>>416523
I don't like Nazis, and I want to ban all Nazis.

>>416522
>Now, show me where he is obligated to do so.
He isn't. No need to be all mocking about it.

>>416518
That looks terrible.

>>416521
I agree. They were good threads with a lot of nice, heartfelt posts hidden among the raid-material. I even met someone who had downloaded my old reaction folder.

>>416526
That's a reasonable opinion. It is gay furry porn.

A modest proposal:

Given that the Mod/Admin Team of the current planned Discord are domineering fuckwits, how about we set up and plan to move to another Discord that allows for free and open discourse and greatly represents the ENTIRETY of our community?

do whatever you want lol it's fucking discord

>>416529
I haven't used discord much but if it's popular I'll help mod.

>>416531
This.

>>416517
While I fundamentally agree with this, the way I see it, the guy made huge leaps in a flawed logic to justify his action. Also I personally believe that if you run a public forum, then you should moderate it objectively.

Let's change the topic.

I've exchanged emails with Moose about why he wants to close the site down, and offered my help. I personally still visit the site daily, even if there's not much to talk about with the dwindling user base. I'd like it if the site still stayed up, and if need be I can improve the board software (how much depends on how the codebase looks like). Additional responsibilities got mentioned, which I'm not fully comfortable with, but I could shoulder, given time to grow into the role.

So my question is, would anyone still like it if the place stayed around? And note that I don't just mean as-is, but with semi-active development. I understand that most people will just give the "let it die" argument, but I'm curious if anyone thinks different, or if anyone feels the same way I do?

>>416535
>While I fundamentally agree with this, the way I see it, the guy made huge leaps in a flawed logic to justify his action. Also I personally believe that if you run a public forum, then you should moderate it objectively.
A discord server isn't a public forum.

>>416535

Operatorchan was in a similar crisis a few years ago.

What saved it was a changing of hands to a more dedicated admin & development team as well as an aggressive marketing campaign to other communities of similar interests.

I would wholeheartedly support a similar strategy.

'Market' this site to 4/co/, 8/co/, Diversity & Comics, Capn' Cummings, Nerkish, Getcomics.info and other dissident comic book fan communities around the web. Draw in new blood.

Also consider creating and selling stuff to raise revenue for the site if necessary. Get drawfags to design swag. Sell patches. I dunno.

>>416536
If anyone can view it, join it, talk in it, then it is a public forum.

>>416539
>If anyone can view it, join it, talk in it, then it is a public forum.
And that doesn't apply to Discord, which requires that an invite link be generated by members.

>>416535
>Also I personally believe that if you run a public forum, then you should moderate it objectively
Absolutely.

>Let's change the topic.
Yes. Thank you.

>[rest]
As long as this place works and is enjoyable to check into, I will continue volunteering. I can also try and help with code (I have little-no experience with web dev, but am an intermediate-level programmer). I won't be able to talk much for the few hours but I am glad to talk more afterwards.

I think the biggest issue is hosting costs.

It will be much better than a Discord.

>>416540
I obviously meant if people know the location of the place. You can't join a public forum if you don't know where it is, be it a physical address or a hyperlink. The point is, you let anyone in, which makes it open to public. If it wasn't public, then by definition it would be private, which would mean that you would have two gorillas in the door to prevent anyone without an invite from entering.

>>416535
I still want plus4chan to live.

>>416537
>more dedicated admin
This is Anonymoose we are talking about

or Anonex

>The point is, you let anyone in,
I don't though. I put out an invite to a specific subset of people which is only going to be active for a set amount of time. I then have rules that further restrict membership. And, of course, I am not the government so anything I run is private in that sense.

Just as Anonex and Moose were free to set their rules and restrictions, so am I. So will you, when you make your "objectively" run server.

What the fuck.

>>416478
>>I've seen a bunch of vitriolic discussions removed on /pco/ as well, in order to "reduce the drama".
To keep arguments from consuming entire threads. Threads were hitting autosage because people were arguing back and forth about what an artist is entitled to, if anything. It's part of the reason that Area became DNP, because any time someone shared her work there would be 100 posts of crap.

If it's a dozen comments, whatever, but when someone starts a new thread and that hits autosage in under 24 hours because an argument devolved and carried over from the last one? No bueno. Anon, in general, isn't coming to argue with randos on the internet, they want discussion, or pictures, or both. It's about trying to keep a balance between letting people shit and keeping that shit from overwhelming everything else.

>>416548
>>>I've seen a bunch of vitriolic discussions removed on /pco/ as well, in order to "reduce the drama".
I think he meant the Discord's /pco/. I thought he meant our one too.

Also sorry for helping ruin this nice thread.

>>416549
Ah, okay. It would still be a valid criticism for these boards, though.

I didn't mean the discord, I meant the exact points that moose raised up. I think putting an artist on DNP for that was too harsh; because of 2-3 retards we got an entire artist nuked from the site. Would've been easier to get rid of the shitposters imo, but I haven't seen every one of those threads/discussions so I'm maybe missing the full picture.

I don't think "too few images in the thread" would be an issue... But I just hit expand all images and scroll the thread, ignoring all text.

>>416552
>I think putting an artist on DNP for that was too harsh
That wasn't the only reason, or even primary reason, but it did help make the decision easier. If it was the main reason, Incognitymous would also have been added.

>Would've been easier to get rid of the shitposters imo
When it's one or two people, sure, and this was done in cases where it was apparent. However, that was not all cases.

>I don't think "too few images in the thread" would be an issue...
It's not.

>>416509
Hellstroem I think used another alias to draw again at some point, but I don't know any specifics.
Coelasquid is doing a webcomic since 2010, thepunchlineismachismo.com.

I think I saw Kaziklu still posting around on /co/, there was a nostalgia thread a while back.

Don't know the others you mentioned - but Psu, ICS and Magi are still around and post art occasionally, plus they have their own tumblrs. Psu does a webcomic and patreon too. Geers is around on twitter but I haven't seen him draw on 4chan anymore.

>>416552
My bad. I need more sleep.

>>416560
>associating him with us
rude

Thank you guys. I started frequenting 4chan and /co/ most of all in late 2008/early 2009, so this was the place that kept the spirit of /co/ then alive. Too much of it is political shitposting and movie company wars now. /co/ was love. I hope we can meet together somewhere else, even if not under this name. So where you goin?

>>416561
been here longer than you, probably

>>416560
Rodyle will still be able to post even if this place dies.

>>416563
Yes Anon. Not just the bad.

>>416564
I hope so too.
>So where you goin?
As a collective? That's a tense subject right now, looking at this thread. Hopefully a certain unidentified Anon will be able to take the reigns and keep this place up. Otherwise, people are suggesting Discord but it's admin is Rodyle who seems immature so another anon wanted to make a different Discord for plus4chan.

Personally, I will mainly discuss cartoons on /trash/ and possibly /co/ depending on which shows because despite major administrative issues on /co/, there are some great anons floating around among the sludge.

>>416579
I disagree that the site hasn't been enjoyable over the past few years. It wasn't the same site nor was it amazing, but it was comfortable and cathartic to me.

The incredible amount of time you're devoting to jerking yourself off over this is pretty funny.

Stop flaming. Keep arguments in the politics thread.

I'm responding to the flames posted against me mere posts above friendo.

>>416589
Nevertheless, such posting should be redirected to the politics thread. Use post numbers to refer back to this thread if necessary. This warning will be enforced for all users in this thread onward.

>>416404
I mentioned the site's closure in a thread and met another anon sad to see the place go. They mentioned the pokemon board from a while back.

>>416509
>>416516
Basically everyone from ol' plus4chan moved over to Tumblr except Hellstroem and maybe Jane. Hellstroem changed names and was doing a couple comics before health issues stopped him. I think he still pops into the occasional /ic/ drawthread. I lost touch with Jane.

Coelasquid and Doom are on Tumblr. You know about Coelasquid's webcomic, but she also works on the new Ben 10. She and TheDudeVonDoom got hitched. She seems to be more active on Tumblr with him seeming to be more active on twitter.

Red's all over the place these days, y'all probably seen the comics with Lil Char, Buhbasaur, and Squirtle? Those are hers. I mostly follow her on tumblr and twitter.

Kosh, Astro, Bea, Bad End, Gentleman Bones, Junk, and possibly Lobster Johnson all moved over to tumblr. Geers has a tumblr for their art but I don't know how active they are with it. FerrousFellow has a couple tumblrs. MileyCyrus might have died in a Steam sale two years ago.

Sad to see this board go, it was always one of my favorite sites, although I just lurked most of the time.

Does anyone know what happened to /pkmn/? I missed that.

This is bad and not good! I really ought to look into how I could try and support board admins more for taking the time to host things. Actually getting a job so I can pay people for doing things on an ongoing basis would be a nice start, but you know how that can be.

>>416605
Would any of them mind if links to their tumblrs or other points of contact got posted here, since their names aren't the most web-searchable, and I only know Bea's through the A Ghost Story comic? Mine is at https://meticulac.tumblr.com/

>>416608
I think you'd have to ask them on an individual basis. Maybe even get them to come here and post about their tumblrs, ask if they even want anything to do with *chan boards anymore, especially if their tumblrs have anything about the real names. Otherwise it's like, HEY REMEMBER SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN YOU WERE A 4CHANNER?

>>416605
>MileyCyrus might have died in a Steam sale two years ago.
It's better for him this way.

finally...i can die...

>>416609
I wasn't planning on finding people to talk about plus4chan, I just figure they migth be up to something interesting. And if I don't know where to contact someone, I can't directly contact them to ask where they can be contacted, so I figured I'd ask here.

seeya

See ya plus4chan, I'll always appreciate the friends I made here.

Good to see everyone's still alive. It's like a reunion thread.

>>416612
Try searching plus4chan on tumblr, see what shows up?

>>416617
Thank you, that got some nice results.

so has anyone figured out a new place to migrate to or list alternatives for /pco/?

>>416620
/trash/ will ban you for loli/shota and sometimes even furry versions so 4chan is not an option for most threads still remaining. 8ch could work (/pco/ might not even be created). There might already be an active community you can merge with, I don't know really, I'm not into that stuff.

>>416621
I do agree that 8ch already has dedicated boards for most of /pco/ that having a pco board is not necessary. Them already having a /gw3n/ board was overkill then there's already a Ben 10 thread for the rule34 board where you can dump all the porn in, including Incog's works (though the latter can still use his DMCA to take them down and have done so with his Avatar works). The problem I have with it, I guess is that it's not as active as the /pco/ board and some of the regular guys who post on /pco/ just don't go there.

>>416621
>>416622
8ch in not good, people there aren't chill

>>416623
Any board is nothing without its userbase. People are and are not chill; if you migrate to a board, YOU will become the board's "people".

>>416622
>it's not as active as the /pco/ board
If everyone moves over there then it will be.
>some of the regular guys who post on /pco/ just don't go there
Maybe ask if they are willing to or see where else they go.

8chan /rule34/ is the closest, that I know of, to our /pco/. However it is also full of furry dumps. The content is generally not as good as ours. About the only upside is that Mister D posts there.

7chan has a /pco/, and they are notable for having the most popular rule 34 board in ~2006-2007, predating paheal. I know that a few drawfags went from there to plus4chan. However, their /pco/ has so little traffic that every page is like going to the past another year. Their flash board is much more popular cause -8 posts there (I think?).

I'd move to 7chan simply because it was the original /pco/ board for me.

But as a first, I fight to keep plus4chan open.

the janitors at 4chan's aco are hypocrites especially when it comes to Star vs. Unfortunately nobody can call them out on it.

>>416657
never liked /aco/ anyway since you can't post lolis there

>>416657
So are the /co/ staff.
And yes you can call them out on it. >>>/qa/

But are you just annoyed that loli is against 4chan rules?

Is there any decent imageboard left? 4chan and 8chan have gone to shit, and everywhere else is either dead or dying.

>>416666
>4chan and 8chan have gone to shit
They always were. It also depends which boards you browse. The comfy ones are still nice.

>>416667
4chan was super comfy in the 00s. Then there was this ridiculous push to make the board more "discussion friendly", and it lost its uniqueness because of that.

Which boards are the comfy ones? I know that /co/, /vr/ and /g/ are not.

>>416666
Well, we know the /pco/ board in 7chan is dead, but it also meant the mods won't be paying much attention to it. So if we just start posting /pco/ stuff there and only share it to a select few, no one will notice.

>>416668
>I know that /co/, /vr/ and /g/ are not.
Absolutely.

>/trash/ and /qa/ can be comfy. The users can be shit or spammy in many threads but moderation is very low to non-existent.

Lower traffic boards like /ck/ are comfy from what I have seen. Honestly though, I retract what I say about the boards being comfy. It's the threads. Pick your threads well and even /co/ and /r9k/ will be comfy.

>>416675
Didn't mean to greentext that middle line.

>>416675
>/trash/ is comfy

I knew it!

This was something special
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/400446524

Guess we all have to migrate to tohono-chan and wizchan.org

>>416701
lol no

desuarchive.org/meta/ does have a link to a google doc with all known imageboards worth checking out. They didn't have a well done review of plus4chan.org though.

Could we leave an invite to the discord were people can see it before closing down?

>>416704
Read the OP

>>416705
I'm an idiot, still i hope more people see it

>>416708
>I'm an idiot
Not necessarily. We all miss stuff like that.

Oh wow. Haven't been here in months and now this.

I'll miss this place even if I did stop coming here often. The slow boards on 4chan are the only ones I like at all, and this place gave me nicer, slower versions of /co/, /v/ and /a/ to post in every once in a while.

It was nice while it lasted. Thanks for the good times everybody.

>>416741
And the same to you, Anon.

Man, this place dying for good and no longer being able to post on 4chan without contracting malware seems like the perfect storm to get me off this shitty imageboard addiction. So I guess I'm thankful.

>>416744
I'm on the same situation but detoxing has been harder

>>416747
Join our discord, the link is on the OP and tell me where did you go when imageboards got rancid for you?

>>416748
No place in specific, I started lurking some forums like WATMM and SA a little bit, and sticking to news aggregators. Also tried to spend less time watching online discussions and more time with my hobbies/offline.

I'll check out the Discord later, thanks for the tip.

>>416423
>https://discord.gg/bxxAvyQ

I keep seeing discord here, discord there these days. So the omnipotent Chaos entity from My Little Pony made a board or what is this thing?

Sorry to see the boards go, even though I frankly only came here to post (and get) references for obscure anthros. I suppose I'll go back to Fchan and try to revitalize the similar dead threads there.

>>416750
I say you give Discord a chance. Especially if someone went out of his way to create a channel especially for +4channers.

In other news, a good thread got deleted for no good reason
https://boards.fireden.net/co/thread/97756757/

>>416750
>So the omnipotent Chaos entity from My Little Pony made a board or what is this thing?
Skype+IRC except good.

Just for the record I am looking into possibly bringing back the /a/vatar board. It would most likely just be a sub-directory of my currently existing chan website punychan.org. More news and information there will be posted regarding this should we ever get around to installing the software or if we could install the software. Just wanted to make an announcement here before this website closes to inform those who were active participants in that board as advise by someone from the plus4chan discord.

I wasn't sure if this was the right place to make this announcement or if I should have posted in a new thread or even if I could make a new thread on /baw/. At least the message gets out and more people are aware of my intentions.

Thank you.

>>416754
>those who were active participants in that board
There are participants in that board? I was not aware.

Yeah, this is the right place. You should also post on /a/ .

>>416754
Any revival of a board from plus4chan to another place is always good for those to know where to go when this place shuts down. I'm still looking for potential alternatives to /pco/ but it seems mewch may be the least evil place to post as there's hardly any restrictions.

>>416749
>SA
How horrifying
>>416757
Mewch is a circlejerk, I'll advice against it.
If really there isn't any other chan to go you should try other websiites, tumblr has a decent porn community

Wow, so many people spamming their own links now, makes me think that discord urls should be wordfiltered.

>>416760
okay, if you want to die in the flood is up to you
>>416757
Now that I think about it life without /pco/ and /cod/ will be very difficult and making an account on some other site just for porn feels like a hassle
We have to meditate

Don't plan on leaving just yet.

I still have one day to fix the boards.

I'm a wizard, I can do this.

>>416763
And if it fails to happen, I got a backup plan.

>>416766
tell me more

>>416769
8chan? That only ads more problems
Please forget about it, its not viable
I'm a mod on a major board, listen to me: 8chan is an awful platform with an awful community and an awful administration.

http://www.b0nr.com/meta/res/7.html
This is probably a better plan

>>416770
>awful community
A community is board-dependent. Also, there is no community but you. If quality people come post in a place, they become its community. I post on ∞/tech/, and that board has a great community. Do not dismiss this backup thing just because you had some bad experience on other boards there.

I also post on regular /co/, and despite places like /a/ and /v/ having "terrible communities", /co/ itself has great people. /mlp/ has surprisingly generous and kind people once you get to know them.

>>416759
Except certain ones get pulled out for whatever reason. Sirkowski (Starship Titus) posted a few days ago that his Tumblr account got banned for no reason, even though he hasn't posted any porn lately. You certainly won't find much of Incog's works there.

8ch tends to follow DMCA requests, which is why any pages of Incog's works, unless it's a really old one, gets taken out. /kat/ is mainly modded by Simon himself, which is why a few of his NSFW works aren't allowed.

7ch may have the old /pco/ board, but it's for actual comics. Their /delicious/ board doesn't allow western hentai.

>>416776
>Sirkowski (Starship Titus) posted a few days ago that his Tumblr account got banned for no reason

oh hell so that's why I haven't seen him updating recently. Where is he posting nowadays? He is one of the oldest great artists who are still around regularly.

>>416775
Even if we all move to 8ch there is nothing stopping shitposts from other boards coming and at the end overcoming the original community. The other possible scenario is the community dying like all 8ch boards do, 8ch has been bleeding users since last year and i can't be the only person reluctant to move. Another possibility is the servers crashing for a third/fourth time and when the site returns we would had lost a lot of posts.
I recognize that lots of people call 4/co/ shit when I found it good but it isn't like that, what I'm saying about 8ch isn't about the overall community but the individuals, the average 8ch poster is pure poison.
>>416776
Truly it seems like a stalemate, The discord server has nsfw channels but i understand some people will not like to post there unless they're anonymous.
I just asked the admin of b0nr if he can host out boards, he wants to and now I just need to hear what he thinks about hosting the nsfw boards.
I really want plus4's admin to talk with walnut and reach an agreement.

>>416779
I will give it a chance with the hope it will be a temporary solution

>>416778
I will host your NSFW boards. I just need mods.

Sound like a deal?

I am willing to volunteer as a moderator on any of these replacements. However, I may be reluctant to regular the NSFW boards due to legality issues, especially if it becomes solely loli/shota threads.

>>416776
Also, 7ch does DCMA. There was one thread where a mod raged telling the board to stop getting him DCMA notices or he'd ban them.

>>416781
I can be a mod, as I said I have experience as a hot pocket

Haven't been here in ages (so long that I forget what tripcode I used back then), but for a period of several years, this site was my go-to hangout. A fellow user helped me put together a computer on /tek/, I was here for the peak of Homestuck before it imploded on itself, I fondly remember Iron Man: Armored Adventures discussion, and I'll never forget the time "Here's to the Bard" was permanently attached to one of the hentai recommendation threads. I don't think I ever particularly stood out around here, never contributed to any landmark moment, though I did slap together a couple Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff-style edits of a certain amazingly terrible Bleach fan comic, which seemed to spread a few laughs.

Sad to see this place go. Been a pleasure, ladies and gents.
//youtube.com/watch?v=6YkZ1ZVcoMk

Happy New Year

~Australia

>>416404
goodbye +4chins

>>416792
>the time "Here's to the Bard" was permanently attached to one of the hentai recommendation threads
Oh god, I'd forgotten about that. Fuck, that was great.

>This is pro bono so I don't have a date for when it will be complete,

well now I don't want the site to go read-only, so I'll have to have it done today, don't I?

I regret studying C and assembly to be an OS dev, this year I have been tangled in lots of drama that could had been solved if i was a web dev.

>>416798
Why?

Give us a link Walnut....please save the boards.....

>>416800
>he hasn't bookmark b0nr.com
Pathtic

>>416797
>>416798
Oh fug, I'm about to do Extended OS in C this sem.

I STILL LIVE

Goodbye friends--wait--

>I have been approached by someone who is not only going to fix the code, but will also help me handle at least some of the day-to-day administration. This is pro bono so I don't have a date for when it will be complete, but at that time we will do a soft-relaunch with the updated software.

YES YES heh YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG

>>416812
plus4chan will live on to make your life awkward at all times.

>>416814
If the dev anon wants a hand, I can try and help out. That said, I'm also a C guy with very little web dev experience.

>>416813
Ah Plus4 continue on you immortal zombie you.

>>416816
>Plus4 runs of a cobbled together bunch of code from separate sources.

Well nice to see something will live up to the Dystopia Cyberpunk future.

Lost forever. Like tears in the rain... well, time to die.

Well, I had a good time, thanks.

I think I'll miss this place most for the artists it introduced to me and how they'd occasionally stop by. Folks like Gara, Incog, and Redout and that one Cloud guy who was around for a short while.

Good times. It was a small little slow community, but still managed to be pretty damn fun. At the very least we'll have the archive thankfully and who knows, maybe some of the issues with old threads being somewhat accessible thanks to some trickery will be fixed and made readily available. Who knows what will become of the old archives from the previous iteration of the site though...

We all knew this was coming, but I don't think any of us wanted to admit it.

Cheers you glorious faggots.

>>416822
Chaos Magik

Last couple of generations have been very proficient at it and the internet has been a fantastic vocal point for it.

>>416823
>and Redout
Good taste, my man.

The artists really made this place. Sure, /baw/ was my home but the site lived and died by the many drawfags that visited.

well, it is 02/01/2018 and it's not in the read-only mode...

>>416823
>and that one Cloud guy who was around for a short while.
Oh man, Cloudman. Fuck I still love his work. Even got into talks with him about a commission, but he had to cancel. Followed him when he moved over to FA and was posting there, but then one day he just up and vanished. Still hoping he'll come back some day.

>>416828

This is great, thanks.
Would someone mind sharing with torrent? Mega sucks.

>>416829
I split it into 1GB chunks exactly because of that, you should be able to eventually download the whole thing even if you get throttled/interrupted/Mega shits itself randomly for no reason.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:38080dd6eed01a135af60dc87b9d1c47d250577e

Here's a torrent with the same files (putting up the extracted version seemed like a terrible idea, it's 87k files) but I won't be able to seed it 24/7 so someone else will have to.

>>416831
I honestly only care about the porn on /pco/. I wish I archived the old pre-2014 boards back in the day though, since they're apparently gone forever now. If anyone has those saved somewhere by some miracle, I wouldn't mind getting a copy.

I just ran wget and converted the links to make everything browsable offline. Most of the interactive stuff that relies on JS seems to work, with the exception of calls to PHP files (for obvious reasons). It's actually kind of bizarre how much faster everything loads, because you're used to the latency/bandwidth of the site being so bad.

And yeah, the boards are kind of a mess. On /pco/ for instance, you can also see old announcements on threads that are past page 4-5 or so, page 7 contains identical threads that are also listed on another page, and pages 9-19 don't exist despite being in the index (with the exception of 11 that randomly has threads on it again for no reason). I suspect it has something to do with the way the board software handles deletions.

>>416833
For some reason it never occurred to me to check the Wayback Machine. Holy shit. Not only does it have all the threads, but most of the full images too going all the way back to 2010. This thing never ceases to impress me.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130429124327/http://plus4chan.org/b/pco/src/135284084557.jpg

Now that I'm looking at it, the front page seems to have gone through about 5-6 overhauls over the years (and it's just a link to /baw/ with the new engine, same on the .org domain), I got here around 2011 so the green one is the one that resonates with me the most. I always thought this place was some kind of a /co/ outpost, probably because of the smut and the Wakfu fansubs. And we don't even have an origami board now, or /mspa/, or a lot of the other ones. I'm going to spend days browsing through this thing now and archiving it all.

Man, the whole site in the 2010-2013 era was just perfect, I still don't really get why he/they/Anonex/whoever runs this place had to change it. To this day I find myself clicking on the wrong fucking button whenever I'm trying to reply to a post or open a thread, it's so confusing. And I think the old boards just used standard Kusaba or something, which as far as I recall worked fine. The migration thread from back in the day says it's because they were "super susceptible to CP and spambots" (which sounded absolutely retarded to me at the time), and is apparently the SAME REASON the site is now getting kinda-maybe shut down for. Meh.

If it was up to me, I'd archive the whole thing going back to 2006 and port it all to a new engine when the site gets relaunched. It would be incredible. Well, whatever happens next, let's hope it's gonna be good.

dev update: I got most of the banning stuff fixed. There were some legit major issues in there.

One major problem remains, the part where the board indexes are broken. This is simply due to the large db size; the code can't handle it and crashes. It's why new threads sometimes don't show up, and why old pages turn into time capsules.
I wrote two fixes for this so far during the holidays. Neither are complete since I overlooked a few small things, but both work. The problem is that they are three times slower than the current code. The first one just doesn't update the last few pages before it timeouts, while the second one is immune to timeouts but puts so much strain that pages load at 1.5 sec and images sometimes turn up as 503 errors (it is basically a rewrite from scratch, that needs a ton of optimizations).

The big issue here is that the banning stuff is interlinked with these, so I'd either need to make a different branch for the current site or gut and redo a lot of it. And I'll be busy in the weekend at my job.

>>416839
The wayback machine has a lot of stuff from the old boards, I was using it to check 2008 threads on /coc/ a few months back. If you actually manage to make archives from there, I'd be interested in having them.

The current site had a strong ban system but inbetween a lot of patching, and updates made to teh interwebz as a whole, it slowly broke down. Right now it works by ork magik and is powered by the will of moose. I'm not joking.

I agree that the current layout has some issues, and I intend to change some small details. Few things on my list for the future are:
- making it easier to copy out long filenames (try double clicking the filename, see what happens),
- change those post buttons a bit to make them more intuitive (not sure how yet; probably changing positions/order. But I also want to make them a little larger),
- add a mobile view (I thought the entire reason for this layout was being mobile friendly, but it looks like thre isn't a mobile view?),
- add backlinks and an option for non-inline quotes (I prefer those)
- re-add post subjects,
- rehaul the front page,
- maybe add a dev blog,
And I want to restore the archives but I don't know if there's anything left to restore or if they are lost forever.
If you have any other ideas, post them and I'll put them on my list.

But there are more critical fixes before that. Like, consider this list to be something I'd work through in 2018 when I have the time.

The one thing I'd want, but won't be able to fix alone, is to make the site more active.

>>416840
>The big issue here is that the banning stuff is interlinked with these
Yes. I think I banned everyone last month by trying to ban an IPv6 address. Luckily it was just a warning.

>>416844
Well 4chan now has some shitty third part ads, we can cater to the people who wants a hygienic website

>>416848
Sure. I'm happy to try some passive advertisement in relevant threads to bring back dome action. Especially if there are threads that mods like to delete or monitor.

>>416848
We can also build a community unlike 8chan that is full of needless anger.
>>416849
How horrifying

>>416850
>How horrifying
???

>>416851
advertisement is horrifying

>>416852
Yeah, but if you actually integrate into the thread and suggest a reasonable alternative, it's much less horrifying. I wasn't scared of Walnut. (I hope he's ok with this site not dying.)

>>416841
This might sound dumb, but is there any reason we can't just use the same layout 4ch/8ch/practically every other imageboard uses?

- Name/timestamp/post ID/replies in one line, no buttons, quoting simply by clicking the post ID
- Report/delete/hide/oekaki/etc options hidden behind a dropdown menu
- Posts aligned to the left instead of the middle for no reason
- Post boxes that shrink to the text and the window size instead of always being the same width

Or hell, even just have an API that that lets you access the raw post data used for displaying a page and I'll make one myself.

>>416854
I have no issue with the current layout, but I would prefer at least a revert to the older layout (I don't know the Japanese names). There was no real explanation as to why the new "mobile", centred layout was chosen. In fact, the icons are easy to misclick on a mobile.

>>416856

Agreed with this.

If I ever get the time to fix the backend, the next step will be tweaking the frontend. I'm used to the current design so I wouldn't want to remove it altogether, but I do want to tweak it to see if I can get it to be more user friendly. Maybe make a layout closer to the old ones optional.

>>416854
>even just have an API

I want to make automatic thread updates at some point (even if would be near pointless with the amount of traffic we have) but I'd rather not add an API. I don't want external sites to start crawling all our posts.