/baw/ - General Discussion

Random violence in the street isn't a thing to be cheered on.

Or calling for peoples death on twitter.

I don't know exactly who this guy is but even if he's some white supremacist cunt things seem like they are getting out of hand.

>>412888
Dude got sucker punched and deserved it. If they catch the guy, he'll get brought up on assault and will deserve it. It's funny when Nazis eat shit, they're Nazis.

There are more peaceful ways to disrupt any attempt by assholes like Richard Spencer whenever they try to spread their ideology. People could've surrounded him and made him feel threatened enough to leave. They could have yelled and hollered and screamed at the cameras to drown out his voice. No one absolutely had to get punched in the face yesterday, and I hope that this does not lead to further (or worse) violence in the future.

That said: I cannot muster an ounce of sympathy for that prick. It is viscerally satisfying to watch a piece of shit like him get decked, then watch him walking away and looking as if he is about to cry.

And that is all I have left to say about that.

>>412888
>I don't know exactly who this guy is

Allow me to educate you, friend. His name is Richard Spencer, and he calls for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of European culture. He often quotes Nazi propoganda, and claims to have created the "alt-right" movement.

Also, he was about to explain what Pepe is. If you can't punch a man for talking about memes in public, then what can you do?

Trump is saying the pictures of the inauguration that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOOK AND RELEASED are faked.

Also that we might just jump into Iraq again and take their oil fields.

There are men in Africa that think raping a baby cures you of AIDS that are more suitable for POTUS.

>>412894

I would rather have Mike Pence as POTUS right now. Sure, he would be all for the GOP's current platform and whatnot, but he is not nearly the same kind of complete fucking dumbass that Trump is. Pence would at least respect the office enough not to sound like a blustering fool who wants to drag everyone into World War III every time he talks.

>>412895
This is a pretty bad, borderline uninformed opinion.

>>412895
>I would rather have Mike Pence as POTUS right now
Hell yeah, let's get this faggot holocaust started!
//youtube.com/watch?v=hH19nwcvaJo

>>412899
>>412898

Pence is a monstrous human being, but I believe he would not use nuclear weapons if he were embarassed, even slightly, by another politician from either here or abroad. I do not extend that same belief to Donald Trump. My personal preference would be to have neither one of those assholes in the Oval Office, but if I had to choose between Trump and Pence, I would pick the guy I believe is less likely to actually nuke his own country.

The people in this thread will sure do some real change in 2017.

>>412900
This. It would still be a constitutional crisis to have Pence in office, but he meets the low bar of being more stable than Trump.

It would also have the benefit of turning the Trump wing and Establishment in on one another even more so than they already are.

Incidentally, Republicans introduced a motion to limit the president's trade powers haaaa

Trump's contingent only care about saving the White race by screaming at non-Whites, funny memes, complaining about not enough titties in games, and hating Clinton because she is a woman who is not mainstream fuckable.

So they would not be happy over an impeachment or any kind of GOP rebellion.

>>412905
Well yes that was my point.

>>412906

He was ordered, possibly by Trump himself, to go out in front of the White House Press Pool and read a statement full of lies to the assembled journalists. I know I would be angry if I were forced to lie just to keep my boss happy.

>>412906
>>412909
Well don't worry, he's told the media what they should and should not report in classic Fascist fashion now, plus they've kicked the press out of the white house (after they helped pay to refit the press room) because facts and an informed public are the enemy of this administration.

>>412915
You know what's fun? It no longer matters. Trump can spew whatever insane nonsense he likes, pure propaganda will no longer do it. He needs actual policies now, things to actually DO. And his speech indicated that, in point of fact, he really DOESN'T have anything but the bluster he ran on and some probably largely ignored pleading from Pence, Ryan, etc. I mean he'll obviously line his and Tillerson's pockets with whatever he can get his hands on, but that's not going to actually please any of his supporters (which, hopefully, will reflect on the Republicans now that they can't blame anyone else).

oh that's adorable, ickle /pol/-kun is mad, maybe he's been Spencer the whole time?

>>412933

He will run out of patience before this site runs out of bans.

>>412935
a neo-nazi getting punched shouldn't be "inflammatory" material

>>412893
tbh this.

Glorifying violence is disgusting.

We shouldn't gather around just to cackle over such acts even if the guy that got assaulted was a shit.

American politics are tribal enough as it is.

>>412939
>We shouldn't gather around just to cackle over such acts even if the guy that got assaulted was a shit.

Yes, we absolutely should cackle over someone punching a guy who is ON RECORD as being in favor of of ethnic cleansing. There is not supposed to be anything controversial about punching nazis in America.

>>412939
If someone raped a child and promoted their behavior to others (like Geoffrey Leonard did) I would gladly watch them get punched the fuck out.

I don't know this guy in OP, but I think if you endorse genocide, then watching the people he made a death threat to punch him in the head is not at all reprehensible in my opinion.

>>412942
(sorry, fucked up my pronouns in that last sentence)

>>412942
>watching the people he made a death threat to
He wants to genocide old white guys?

>>412943
A cardinal error for a leftist.

>>412941
>There is not supposed to be anything controversial about punching nazis in America.
Second.

Also, let's just make this clear for a second--I do not believe that the person who punched him should be able to get away without legal repercussions for punching him. The law that makes it illegal to assault Spencer is a good and just law, and the rule of law--when that law is not unjust--must be upheld. No question of that.

I just consider that act of lawbreaking to have been one that did more good for the world than bad, and while I would vote to convict if I were on a jury overseeing the case, I would probably also vote to buy him a beer before he went to jail.

>>412947
Second.

>>412945
My bad. I guess the hood's (or is it a balaclava?) shadow made his face look black in the .gif . I didn't pay attention.

>A cardinal error for a leftist.
I'm more leftist than anything, you're right, but I haven't met a non-binary person I've respected enough to give a fuck about their pronouns so it's never really been something I care about.

>>412941
>>412946
Third.

>>412947
>>412948
Third.

Today's new Trump Administration term: "alternative facts"
Originator: Kellyanne Conway
Actual Quote: "Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave…alternative facts to that." — https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/823184384559878144 (listen for that beat between "gave" and "alternative facts")

>>412952
>Yeah because MSM is outright lying about the crowds
Ah yes, the mainstream media, and also the official pictures issued by the US government

>>412951
it should really not be a shock that the alt-right believe in alt-facts

>>412952

Hey, look, "evil lefties" know how to use red circles, too: https://twitter.com/McKelvie/status/823173886451875841

You can fulfill the criteria of being a Nazi without thinking you are and wanting to be one.

Boy our totally-not-white-supremacists posters sure are furious about that white supremacist getting socked

>>412962
Those are alternative compliments, snowflake.

>>412958
You'd think Trump would have enough of his actual flaws to pick up on that the people against him wouldn't have to lie to make him try and look worse or less supported.

Both candidates for this election were terrible, and there's certainly no good guy in this mess of social media shitflinging.

>>412965
>You'd think Trump would have enough of his actual flaws to pick up on that the people against him wouldn't have to lie to make him try and look worse or less supported.
They didn't.

>>412965

>there's certainly no good guy in this mess of social media shitflinging

The "We Rate Dogs" account is still a good account, Brent.

>>412968
Dogs drool, Cats rule

>>412969

I WILL FITE YOU, BRONT. (ง•̀_•́)ง

With regards to actual attendance metrics:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/21/sean-spicer/trump-had-biggest-inaugural-crowd-ever-metrics-don/

For those that don't want to read, estimated attendance at 250,000 to 600,000. At best, it was better than George W. Bush or Post-Scandal Clinton. At worst, it was equal to Post-Scandal Clinton. Neither number comes close to Obama's numbers, or Pre-Scandal Clinton.

If we go by "Metro Ridership", Trump's numbers are slightly less than George W. Bush's at 570,557 for the whole day, or 193,000 as of 11 am. Again, well short of Obama's numbers.

Not that it matters because as we know the Alt Right only relies on Alt Facts that are pulled from Trump's own Alt Head.

>>412973
Problem solving in action.

>>412974

We should all hope he decides to stay out of the public eye for the rest of his miserable life.

>>412971
>politifact
>truth-o-meter
>trump rally attendance estimated by salty hillary supporters
Thats some solid figures chief.

>>412975
Unfortunately he's paid to make public appearances, probably gets bonus bucks from Soros for getting punched.

>>412976

Hey, those "salty hillary supporters" actually provided sources, whereas Trump's alternative facts... hmmm... where did he get his figures, again...?

>>412977

"He got them from scientists, period." — Sean Spicer, probably

>>412977
Yeah the problem that the only source you have is a photo taken an hour before inauguration.

And you're STILL using that photo despite it clearly being bullshit!

>>412979
Four million fewer people watched the White Trash King compared to Carter's inauguration.

>>412980
zzzzzzz

It's funny how much more desperate /pol/-kun's tone is getting as the thread goes on. I mean we knew it was going to happen once Trump got sworn in and started showing what an awful president he is in a way that can't really be denied even by delusionals like the deplorables, but it's hilarious to watch nonetheless.

>>412983
>awful president
lol you wish
>immediately repeals tpp
>puts mattis at the rudder of defense
>freezes unaffordable care act implementation
>begins dismantling shitty parts of it
>removes mortgage bubble creating law
This week he'll be signing a ban on lobbying and the wall.

So far he's the most effective president America has ever had.

>>412984
I'm sure if you keep saying that stuff often enough it'll become true.

>>412985

"Alternative facts", remember?

And even if Trump does one or two things right in his first hundred days, that alone will not make him a good president. Getting through four years without bringing this country's government to a grinding halt, without crashing the economy into another Depression, and without using a nuclear weapon will only get him to the low bar set by every other president since World War II.

It is impossible for a republican to make healthcare cheaper, more accessible, and more fair for more people. Expecting a republican to not make healthcare worse is like expecting water to make you drier.

>>412988
It literally goes against everything republicans stand for to make healthcare more affordable for people. One of their most common arguments against single payer isn't the cost, but the fact that if everyone could afford healthcare then rich people who can afford healthcare now would have to wait longer to see the doctor.

>>412989
>>412988
Well it USED to not be completely impossible, until a black guy Democrat took a Republican plan and said, "Look, just because we're in charge doesn't mean I don't wanna be bipartisan, let's do your thing and see how to goes :)" and then suddenly and mysteriously it became sinful to the Nth degree

>>412990
There's no point talking of what Republicans used to be. May as well polish the old "party of Lincoln" thing if you go that route. At this point they have no policy and no ideology. Just hate and anger directed at those who do.

>>412985
>I'm sure if you keep saying that stuff often enough it'll become true.
>>412986
>"Alternative facts", remember?
What the fuck are you talking about? Those were events from yesterday, like actual shit that happened. Are you so far up your ass you forgot to pay attention to Trump SIGNING BILLS INTO LAW?

This is amazing. I'm starting to think he's pissing you off on purpose so he gets away with whatever he likes. Didn't think anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that but... here we are.

>>412988
>>412989
Are you aware the ACA is copied verbatim from a healthcare bill Mitt Romney introduced in his state? Trump copies two words out of a Bane speech and everyone knows about it, Obama copies an entire healthcare bill and you fuckers still ignorant smh...

>>412990
The problem was when the idiot added a bunch of retarded shit on it, like forcing extra taxes on poor people who can't afford healthcare under individual mandate, reducing medicare payments to force more people into ACA, giving government control over medical decisions, added 18 new taxes, 159 new agencies, boards and programs.
>inb4 u jes h8 cuz skin kulur

Punishing people that didn't want to obey the mandate is good though because otherwise it's not really a mandate is it?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/01/19/why_it_matters_that_donald_trump_has_no_inaugural_poet.html

Somehow, it does not surprise me that modern Republican presidents have not had a poet at their inauguration ceremonies. How did someone put it here — craftsmen instead of artists?

>>412996
>punishing poor people is good
You are the incarnation of everything wrong with the left.

The left used to be for the disadvantaged, for poor people, for helping the working class, against war and imperialism.

Nowadays the left is against the disadvantaged and poor, for hurting the working class, and pro war and imperialism.

>>412999

If you want to help change those things, get off your ass and get involved with your local political scene. Things will not change at the top until after change at the bottom has happened. A better political left — a better Democratic Party — starts at the root.

>>413001
Good fucking god Stone can you not tell you're talking to /pol/-kun?

>>413001
It raises the question of why one would choose to be a part of a party that says that poor people deserve to have to pay extra for being poor (in addition to the modern left's numerous other issues).

I don't choose to go out on a leaking ship because maybe I can keep it from sinking, y'know? I find a different boat.

>>413001
>Things will not change at the top until after change at the bottom has happened
>A better political left — a better Democratic Party — starts at the root.
I think the recent election is a pretty solid message from the voter base that they won't take this shit anymore.

At this point we've sunk so far that all ISIS has to do is wheel a disabled terrorist on screen and every Leftist outlet is creaming its pants over it - ignoring the gays they throw off roofs and women they rape and stone to death...

>>413003
>It raises the question of why one would choose to be a part of a party that says that poor people deserve to have to pay extra for being poor
They don't you lying piece of shit. The Democrats support progressive tax structure.

>>412999

>Nowadays the left is against the disadvantaged and poor, for hurting the working class

The poor Whites are against the disadvantaged and poor, and hate honest workers. They voted for Reagan, Gingrich, Dubya and Trump. Until we get a new Gilded Age, they will not learn. They will need to see their own kids suffering from malnutrition before they stop listening to White men in suits.

>>413004
Except Clinton won the election. The problem is that White men in the rust belt don't want better lives if it means people they look down on also get better lives.

>>413005
>Hopefully when the next Democrat presidential candidate also loses because of formerly registered Dems like me voting Green, they'll adopt some Green platforms and unfuck themselves.

They will go to the right in a desperate attempt to win and save the environment and climate from republicans and people like you.

Not voting or intentionally wasting your vote sends the opposite message and has the opposite effect in a FPTP system. The next available left-wing choices will be further to the center, will care less about the environment and unions, and less about redistribution and solid new deal policies.

They have no other choice, because they have realized that more left-wing voters don't actually care about their espoused causes and positions.

>>413006
Direct your attention to >>412996, then an apology for being so rude would actually be pretty nice.

>>413008
>They will go to the right in a desperate attempt to win and save the environment and climate from republicans and people like you.
>Not voting or intentionally wasting your vote sends the opposite message and has the opposite effect in a FPTP system. The next available left-wing choices will be further to the center, will care less about the environment and unions, and less about redistribution and solid new deal policies.
>They have no other choice, because they have realized that more left-wing voters don't actually care about their espoused causes and positions.
Hot tip: there is exactly zero chance that guy voted Green.

>>413009

Slowpoke, uh, you know that the "penalties" were written in a way that poor people who couldn't actually afford insurance didn't actually have to pay them, right? There was like 14 to 15 exceptions specifically for poor people, some that you could apply for at the insurance marketplace, others you would apply for when you file your taxes. If you could not afford insurance, you were not penalized for not buying it.

It was designed purely so that more healthy people who could afford insurance actually got insurance so a.) They were actually covered and didn't go bankrupt when they got in an accident and b.) private insurance companies had a pool of "healthy people" to draw money from so they could cover folks with pre-existing conditions that they were now forced by law to cover.

And in a move that should surprise no one but people who actually voted for Trump, his press secretary has signalled that the Trump administration will move forward with the Dakota Access Pipeline.

>>413008
>dividing people by race/sex
This is why you suck.

You want to create a new class system based on race, sex, gender, orientation, whatever. You even have a term for this new class based system: The Privilege Ladder".

In your world people who identify as male, people who are straight or people who have white heritage have to wear an armband proclaiming so. Considering how much you claim to support Obama, it's ironic that since he is male, straight, and has white heritage... he would have to wear the armband of the subhuman in your utopia. You probably have some kind of concentration camp fantasy as well.

You're neofascists with new "master races".

>>413014

>You want to create a new class system based on race, sex, gender, orientation, whatever.

If anything, progressives/liberals as a generalized group would rather do away with that "ladder" and put everyone on equal footing in both society and culture. Why should people of a certain race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, or religious creed hold all the power in society? What makes minorities of any demographic worthy of being shut out of society and culture?

I am a bi(-leaning-straight) cisgender White guy; I recognize that my voice may be taken more seriously than the voices of a great many other people based only on that identity. That fact does not make me "happy" or "overjoyed" — it actually pisses me off. Why should my voice be considered "more important" only because I am White or male or cisgender? Why should my concerns and problems be considered "more pressing" than those of people who have been legitimately marginalized for years?

The concept of societal privilege is not to somehow "destroy straight White men" or whatever. The concept is meant to identify how society sees some people as "less important" based on things like skin color and religious creed, then marginalizes them to the benefit of the "more important". We do that to aid in our figuring out how society can address the concerns of the marginalized; that includes how to give the marginalized more of a say in that regard, and how to better handle intersectional politics.

Of course people in the majority of a demographic should have a say in the governance and direction of society. But why should they be practically the only ones to have that power?

>>413016
>Of course people in the majority of a demographic
For example, Democrats.

>>413011
I mean, coming from poor stock myself, I personally know multiple people who are having to struggle to pay the fine, but sure, that's very nice in concept.

>>413014

>In your world people who identify as male, people who are straight or people who have white heritage have to wear an armband proclaiming so.

People who wear hats inside, even in restaurants, are so funny.

>>413019
Unless they voted Clinton they need to suffer far more.

>>413019
Just because your shitass hick neighbors would rather not be insured than pay into Jewish Obummercare or whatever they think insurance is doesn't invalidate the idea of healthcare coverage.

>>413016
Barring for a second the fact that acting in a fascist manner is WRONG even if you have a perfectly good reason for it....
>I recognize that my voice may be taken more seriously than the voices of a great many other people based only on that identity.
But it's really not, your "good reason" is wrong on every level.

For example I think your voice is completely worthless compared to Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Thomas Sowell, Walter E Williams, Roland Fryer, Andrew Brimmer..... and me respecting them has nothing to do with their race either. It has to do with their (and your) respective achievements.

In fact a person of any color in America who completed grade school, has a job or a business, and no criminal record... would rank so high above you in my eyes, that you wouldn't even be a consideration. Now that you understand your voice is actually worthless and skin color has zero consideration, you can abandon your fascistic fantasies.

But we both know you won't, because "privilege" is just an excuse to be fascist, the EXCUSE not the reason for it. In your heart fascism is the solution for every problem to the point where the problem becomes irrelevant, the problem doesn't even have to exist.

I advise people to watch the following video on privilege:
//youtube.com/watch?v=dnOi0w8rgYs
Scroll to 12:45 if you can only speak English.

>Unless they voted Clinton they need to suffer far more.
Holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you.

>>413021
>>413022
See this is what i meant about the sinking ship

>>413026
You're rural white America, the ultimate sinking ship

>>413024
>one hour presentation
Not even slowpoke will watch that.

>>413025
What the fuck is wrong with people that hate all Muslims, LGBT people, all women and everyone that needs food stamps?

I think it's weird how white things are so weak and privileged that even when they vote specifically to hurt other people, they can't even imagine anyone might hold them accountable.

"Hey I want to hurt innocent lives because I'm retarded. But don't have any I'll will towards me or you're mean."

Someone needs to create a charity that only helps donors to the democratic party or people that are poor but still do volunteer work. I don't want to help poor people in general, only the ones that are human. People that are poor but vote to create more poor people must be allowed to die.

>>413027
Yaaaaay we're stealing wealth from Middle America to fuel coastal laziness! Wohooooo! This is great!

>middle america elects the only candidate who says he wont rob them

BOOOO! HOW COULD YOU?! RACE-O-SEXUAL BIGOTS!

>>413023
>Barring for a second the fact that acting in a fascist manner is WRONG

White male voters disagree.

>>413030
But red states only function because their ungrateful tortured White trash, employed or not, get food and medicine money from superior humans in blue states. They also get farm subsidies.

>>413029
>What the fuck is wrong with people that hate all Muslims, LGBT people, all women and everyone that needs food stamps?
A lot of things would be wrong with such people, if they existed. Although I think the people you're strawmanning actually aren't described by any of that.

>white things
>I don't want to help poor people in general, only the ones that are human.
>People that are poor but vote to create more poor people must be allowed to die.
You need to be locked up before you kill someone.

Fucking lunatic.

Even real life Nazis in 1930s didn't dehumanize Jews to this level.

>>413031
Are you white or male?

>>413033
>Although I think the people you're strawmanning actually aren't described by any of that.

>Consequentialism may never be applied to Republicans

Yes, poor people that vote for homophobia, transphobia, more poverty, racism and antisecularism should not be protected, and their deaths are not a bad thing.

Same thing with poor people in Africa that treat their daughters poorly or would beat their own kids if they came out as gay. They can die for all I care and I don't want to get them money for water or food.

>>413034
Yep, White male cis and straight. And not ashamed for a second. But I believe millions of individuals in my demographic are bad for humanity, society, and the world, and should not exist.

This thread is full of brave smart people who are really working hard to make the world a better place.

>>413019
>I mean, coming from poor stock myself, I personally know multiple people who are having to struggle to pay the fine, but sure, that's very nice in concept.

Ignoring the idiot trolls who responded to you, did you guys actually APPLY for any of the exceptions? Because do have to do some reading or work. It's taxes. People who don't put in the effort to take the deductions end up paying more than they have to. I say this because I'm poor as hell from a state that didn't extend Medicare and I sure as shit didn't have to pay the penalty.

https://consumerist.com/2017/01/23/net-neutrality-foe-ajit-pai-officially-named-fcc-chairman/

oh boy

>>413039

And Rex Tillerson is officially confirmed as Secretary of State.

>>413038
(As an aside, I'm not included in the people i mentioned. I have TriCare, I'm good2go)
No idea, but given that poor people are pretty good at avoiding paying for things where possible, I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt in assuming they did.

>>413036
>and should not exist.
Kindly start with yourself.

>>413038
>poor people need to spend money on college courses for taxation or hire an accountant in order to not be run into the ground
Ignoring that this is fucking retarded, lets go over some of these exemptions:
https://www.healthcare.gov/health-coverage-exemptions/forms-how-to-apply/

>You don’t have to file a tax return because your income is below the level that requires you to file.
For a single person in most cases this is if your income is below $13k you get an exception and don't have to pay a penalty. But $13k is really fucking poor considering living necessities are $60-80k in urban areas ($85k in NYC). So the only exception I know of to the penalty is essentially death.
By the way a person just over the $13k threshold is hit with a 5% tax hike, a person who earns $29k gets off with a 2.5% tax hike, and a person who earns $1mil gets a 0.2% tax penalty.
Talk about regressive taxation.

>The lowest-priced coverage available to you, through either a Marketplace or job-based plan, would cost more than 8.13% of your household income.
Essentially if your coverage would be 8% of household income and that's too much to pay, you have to pay 2.5-5% of your household income for nothing in return.

>You’re a U.S. citizen living abroad, a certain type of non-citizen, or not lawfully present.
In other words an illegal immigrant or a ridiculously rich internationalist.

>You’re incarcerated (serving a term in prison or jail)
In other words you don't get a tax penalty because you already have healthcare in prison.

>You’re a member of a recognized health care sharing ministry.
>You’re a member of a recognized religious sect with religious objections to insurance, including Social Security and Medicare.
This is actually a breach of the 1st, since congress just decided to make a law where one religion isn't penalized, while others are. The only way to apply for this one is to be part of one of those cults where everyone shares their belongings.

>You’re a member of a federally recognized tribe or eligible for services through an Indian Health Services provider.
Be Indian. Real easy for a poor person to pay for genetic engineering.

>You had a financial hardship or other circumstancess that prevented you from getting health insurance.
Having a low paying job or being poor does not count as a financial hardship, despite being financial hardships. To apply to this exemption you have to get punched by your spouse (encouraging violence wtf), you have to get your house wrecked by a hurricane, get evicted, file for bankruptcy, your state didn't expand eligibility etc.

tl;dr The only real way to get out of this as a poor person is to join a cult or get imprisoned. None of these exceptions help real people that exist.

>>413041

So all poor people are cheaters, liars, thieves, and swindlers? All poor people know how to fuck over honest, hardworking taxpayers every day of the week and thrice on Sundays? All poor people are poor because they are morally bankrupt deceivers and poverty is a moral failing rather than an economic one?

I mean, that sounds like the implication of your "poor people are pretty good at avoiding paying for things where possible" generalization. If I am wrong, by all means, say so.

>>413043
Your point aside, you seem to have the Robin Hood complex. "The Poor" can speak for themselves.

>>413044
And statistically, most of The Poor, per exit polls, say "Democrat please"

Except, mysteriously, most WHITE poor people

Hmm...

>>413045
Silly anon, don't you know peoples' opinions only count if they're white in the first place? All those poor minorities who vote for democrats don't count because (thinly veiled racism-based justification)

>>413045
>>413046
There's something wrong with your brain, get it checked.

>>413044

Just so you know, I am poor.

Trump, the essence and zenith of White culture and empty Christianity, is simply so consumed by anger over his flagging inauguration numbers that he can't do his job properly and lambasted Sean Spicer not for being the first press sec to openly lie to the press about something obvious, but for not wearing a suit that was snazzy enough.

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Trump has raped at least one of his wives at one point?

>>413049
>Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Trump has raped at least one of his wives at one point?

It's a matter of court record that he raped Ivanna, so no, there's not really any doubt in the minds of anyone but the alt right and head-buriers.

>>413043
Freehaven, you have repeatedly demonized poor people with your incessant "crazy hobo" jokes, despite my polite asking upwards of ten times to stop.
I grew up in a house with holes in the floor, that we had to duct tape up so that weeds didn't grow into our living room. I didn't have a bed until I was 12 years old, i slept on a blanket on the floor. Any food that wasn't in a sealed container had to be held in your hand, within seconds of being put on a flat surface it was covered in roaches. My mom immediately sold her post-surgery prescription painkillers to a neighbor to make rent, and suffered in silence.
What I SAID, and what I MEANT, you ignorant sniveling shitstain, is that poor people are, by necessesity, skilled at avoiding paying for anything they aren't physically required to in order to survive.
Now shut the FUCK up with your spineless disgusting appeals for Progressive White Male brownie points, you worthless pile of waste. Get your validation elsewhere, not from taking shots at me and mine, you subhuman trash.

>>413051
The only subhuman trash, friend poke, is you and your Klansmen friends and family that you've spent years defending. Fortunately, as you've all voted what little healthcare and subsidies you get away, you'll all be dying soon.

>>413051
Your faux outrage is noted, and as someone who also grew up poor and continues to struggle financially, I'll note that the ACA is the only reason many of my family members have any form of insurance at all, and that several of them would have not had treatable forms of cancer detected early enough to be treated.

So call it Progressive White Male Brownie Points or whatever, but understand that your campaigning against the ACA is the same as saying you wish my family members had died because of their poverty, and maybe get off your fucking high horse. You're worse than Freehaven in pretty much every way because at least he's TRYING to think of other people with his policies (even when it's uninformed or condescending), whereas you're just using politics as an excuse to prove how much better you are than everyone else. As a poor person, I'd rather deal with well-meaning condescension than self-centered/self-aggrandizing condescension any day.

>>413053
I'm not campaigning against the ACA, idiot.

>>413054
Did you fail to vote against Trump/the Republicans in general? Then effectively, yes, yes you are.

>>413054
You voted Green in the election and are telling everyone who voted against Trump that they're stupid for supporting the party that would've kept the ACA. Yes, you are campaigning against the ACA. And gay rights. And a functional public education system. And net neutrality. And civil rights. And women's bodily autonomy. And government transparency. And keeping money out of politics. And tax systems that are fair to lower income brackets. And pretty much everything else good and decent.

>>413057
>>Determined ineligible for Medicaid in a state that did not expand Medicaid coverage - You are determined ineligible for Medicaid solely because the State in which you live does not participate in Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act.

That one right there is probably the biggest one, to be honest. 90% of ACA complaints I've seen where the prices were too high were from people who lived in states that didn't expand Medicaid and who would've been taken care of if their State had followed federal guidelines instead of intentionally sabotaging their poor.

>>413059

And most (if not all) of the states that refused the Medicaid expansion were controlled by Republicans.

Riddle me this: If the ACA is truly progressive, why does it have a single flat rate of fee for everyone? Why does it have a fee cap whose only purpose is to defend the rich?

ACA has helped:
1. Upper class people earning over $80,000 a year.
2. Poor people if your definition of poor is the arbitrary federal definition at $10,000 a year.

ACA has hurt:
1. Anyone earning from $10k to $25k, which includes working poor and the lower class, are being turboraped to death.
2. With gentle rapings for those earning $25k to $80k, which includes the lower middle and the middle class.
How many of these two groups are there? Enough to swing the rust belt to Republican for the first time in 55 years.

>>413056
>And a functional public education system
Cease your posturing and watch the video here >>413024 you might be in danger of learning something.

>>413057
None of those are "easy exceptions", none of them help the majority of poor people, and all of those were addressed in the comment you're responding to.

>>413060
>>413059
Three states that refused Medicaid expansion are Democrat, there is more to this than party lines. You don't understand what the medicaid "expansion" is, the word expansion is literally used to hide the massive contraction in coverage. All states used permit medicaid based on income, household size, disability, family status, and other factors. In other words Medicaid was granded according to need. Medicaid "expansion" forced states to permit people access based solely on income status, not their medical need, according to an arbitrary number of 133% of the federal poverty line. This left millions of people without Medicaid coverage, forcing them to sign on with ****drumroll please**** The Affordable Care Act. A few states saw that this is unfair and immoral, it excludes millions of people who depend on medicaid for basic survival, and to then PUNISH these people again for living in a state which "expanded" their medicaid is even worse, so they decided not to take the ACA. That's basically the exception to ACA buttfucking, your state telling ACA to fuck off.

>>413061
I check this silly thread from time to time to see just how buttmad certain posters can get. Thanks for the video, will watch later.

>>413051
You deserved to be poor and still deserve to be poor because you are the kind of person that turns into a bad person from duress. Some people become kinder and more understanding via poor circumstances, some turn into sadistic assholes that hurt the innocent.

>My mom immediately sold her post-surgery prescription painkillers to a neighbor to make rent, and suffered in silence.

That's what she gets for not voting democrat (this is all assuming she did not vote or voted republican, which is a safe assumption). Not voting for gay rights, secularism, abortion rights, expanded healthcare and worker rights should bring suffering. I would administer the suffering myself if reality didn't do it for me. I hate your mom and laugh at her struggles.

>>413065
>You deserved to be poor and still deserve to be poor because you are the kind of person that turns into a bad person from duress. Some people become kinder and more understanding via poor circumstances, some turn into sadistic assholes that hurt the innocent.
I'd rather be surrounded by people who are kind and understanding beause I prevent them from being under duress than by sadistic assholes who are that way because I gave them what I thought they deserve.

>>413065
You are an impressively large bag of hot air.

>>413064
The percentage is the flat rate, you fucking idiot. Its a rate, which is the same for everyone, at 2.5%.

The thing that retard calls a flat rate is not a flat rate, but a lower limit of $650, THE ONLY PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO PUNISH PEOPLE EARNING UNDER $25K.

>>413068
Did you just call a retard on your own side /pol/-kun?

One National Park is defying Dear Leader's demands that they silence themselves. Naturally, this is going to give national parks and Dear Leader's threat to them more attention, and will give more attention to the climate facts said account is tweeting.

Smart stuff. We need more disobeying and civil resistance.

>>413075
No dude, I'm not false flagging. The insane people posting here are genuinely on YOUR side. This dude has been posting insanity for six consecutive threads now, it's not just this one, just scroll through any of the autosaged politics threads. This is how fucking crazy your side GENUINELY is. Consider fixing it.

>>413077
>The insane people posting here are genuinely on YOUR side

See, that's how we can tell it's just you false-flagging. You're obsessed with sides, same as the """"democrat""" poster who is sooooo mad at poor people and third party members who didn't vote for Hillary. But you have to have figured out by now that nobody is buying it.

>>413077
The White race is represented by a mentally ill man. He thinks he got crowds he didn't and that millions of people voted illegally because it is impossible for him to lose the popular vote. He is mentally ill. White men picked a mentally ill man to lead their country.

YOUR side is genuinely crazy. And aesthetically repulsive in every way.

>>413080

You're acting like a caricature of what you stand against. While there are dumb liberals (Stone has done far more damage to the democrats' image here than you possibly could with your ludicrous posts), you tip your hand by showing no ability to work in nuance. And frankly I have no doubt you're using your phone to post to mask IPs, I mean that's one of the reasons how /pol/ posters on the main chan are so good at ban-evading, the majority of them are phone-posters.

Anyways, check this out:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-aides-cant-stop-blabbing-about-how-hes-a-madman.html

I wonder if Trump suffers from dementia?

>>413080
Trump needs mental care. He went in front of the CIA and used their wall of people who died in public service as a prop. He is a moral nullity. He is morally blind. Wanting his supporters to die is completely normal. This is not about disagreements over a three-pooint increase in a tariff on cookies. This is about one side wanting to give power to a human, and the other side wanting to give power to an insect.

>>413081
Republicans already elected a guy with Alzheimer's, and another with post-narcotic mental dysfunctions. Next up is pathological narcissism and sociopathy.

Maybe next time they will get someone with OCD who woos White voters by promising to personally find all 35 fake voters between 2000-2015 and give each a hearing that lasts longer than Benghazi.

>>413081
> And frankly I have no doubt you're using your phone to post to mask IPs
Jesus fucking christ you're deluded. If you can't see shit staring you in the face then nothing, absolutely nothing will stop the democratic party from running itself into the ground, just as the Labor party did.

Slowpoke was right.

>>413084
>absolutely nothing will stop the democratic party from running itself into the ground

Nothing but constantly sucking the dick of every White male voter in the rust belt/Appalacians even if they demand that the party declare police violence, abortion access and discrimination of LGBT Americans to be UNCLEAN TOPICS that cannot be debated under pain of ousting from the party.

"See what you neoliberals should have done is to have decided Clinton's victory due to a 75-25 margin among non-Whites to be annulled because that wouldn't have had any negative effects at all. The non-Whites would have fallen in line behind Sanders because they only have a binary choice. Also how dare you neolibs take our votes for granted just because the election is a binary choice?!"

>>413085
You don't have to suck their dick, you just have to not look down on them, attack them, ignore them..... but what are the chances of that. Your party is fucked.

>even if they demand
>long ass straw speech
I double dog dare you to find me one registered democrat from the rust belt who demanded these things.

Too hard for you to admit you fucked over the rust belt for no valid reason, isn't it.

>>413084

I doubt even Slowpoke believes your pathetic charade, man. I mean you "two totally different posters" are always posting at near the same time, gosh it's so weird what a coincidence that is.

Like, I hesitate to give you actual trolling advice but like you could at least have your "Fanatical Democrat" sock puppet espouse some actual positive democrat party platforms along with his rants, you know, mix it up a bit from the whole "whites gotta die!" strawman rants. Might make him seem like a more authentic character, you know?

>>413086
>you just have to not look down on them, attack them, ignore them
Works for republicans.

>>413085
lol I wonder how you feel that even people on your side think you're not real.

>>413086

>I double dog dare you to find me one registered democrat from the rust belt who demanded these things.


They've told us repeatedly they hate the left because some on the left disliked when they wanted to rape a woman for having opinions about video game tiddys. And the rust belters constantly whine about cops being demonized, coal jobs not being subsidized etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-communication-freeze_us_58878b3ae4b0441a8f7114e2?p0jpp58ohp6ekx1or

Yeah, so, this is just a bit worrying.

>>413090
>lol I wonder how you feel that even people on your side think you're not real.

This is because they don't care enough about innocent people to get upset when people vote to hurt them.

>>413088

Bernie being against the TPP isn't news, dude. Everyone knew that and he still ran as a democrat because on the majority of issues he aligns closer to the left than to the right. There are democrats and republicans who support the TPP and there are those on both parties who are against it. Hell, just look at Rubio flippin' and floppin' on the issue.

Also, "Trump Train"? It's kind of hilarious you guys named yourself after a mode of transportation in America that lags behind the rest of the Western World. You guys sure you don't wanna workshop it a bit more? There's still time, you can call yourself the "Trump Truck"! You'll give anyone a lift (provided they give Trump a blowjob first).

Clinton was against the TPP as Obama was ready to sign it.

But, much like the fact that she (and sixteen other agencies) signed off on a plutonium deal that involved Canadian (not just Russian) actors is the kind of nuance that Whitemen on the internet just CANNOT get into their heads. Or the fact that she was against Citizens United day one and wanted a constitutional amendment for that. The Whitemen needed a Cruella DeVil that they could fight in their own personal epics, because the left exists only as a performative arena for Whitemen.

Look as fun and inevitable as Republicans dying because they voted away their healthcare is, we have to focus on the actual issue: Leftists who failed to show because Liberals weren't ideologically pure enough for them. Bernie Bros are traitors just as much as Corbynistas were to Labour and we need to make sure they understand the cost their inflexibility has inflicted on the country.

Corbyn's problem is he wants to accomplish a lot but actually doesn't want to be a vocal opposition. And he refuses to admit that he either has to be strongly pro-Brexit and then explain why, or strongly anti-Brexit and then explain why. He is trying to just sneak by the issue but then he'll end up angering one half of the party without having a rationale.

Smae problem for the left in the US. One half thinks being poor or uneducated means you can be forgiven for embracing massive bigots or actual fascists (which the left can't do because leftists cannot tolerate misogyny, racism, homophobia or braying, mindless antisecularism), and the other half can't explain to them that there is an alternative but it takes some consistent voting and organizing.

https://twitter.com/votevets/status/823979813006442498

If you're a vet who voted for Trump, please tell me all about your suffering in as much detail as you can.

"People from Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. are really bad and shouldn't come here because they don't like science, gay people, women's rights and secularism."

*votes for men that dislike science, gay people, women's rights and secularism*

"How dare you think I'm bad in any way."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-aides-cant-stop-blabbing-about-how-hes-a-madman.html

You know, if the Republicans just HAD to have a deranged right wing lunatic tear down the country, at least it's one that will embarrass them domestically and internationally in every possible way.

Federal funds are paying for the wall.

If someone gave all the young people guns and said they could get Sanders the presidency with a friendly congress if they all went to war with the boomers, it would probably be less costly for the young people in the long run.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/824064753400217600

there is so much going on here

>>413092
Ongoing list of agencies affected:

https://sunlightfoundation.com/list-of-federal-government-agencies-told-not-to-communicate-with-the-public/

Incidentally, /pol/-kun's "the left are the TRUE fascists" line gets more absurd by the hour

>>413097
>Corbyn's problem is he wants to accomplish a lot but actually doesn't want to be a vocal opposition.
That's because Corbyn is and always has been a piece of garbage and, here's the open secret: has been a Leaver the whole time. He opposed JOINING the fucking thing, of course he undermined the Remain campaign (the docs getting pulled from his desk that proved it were the least surprising revelation).

So even though the Courts have opened the gate for Labour and the SANE conservatives to throw out what was only ever an advisory referendum whose results have always been under scrutiny,
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-38723261
Corbyn is trying to crackdown on any Labour members who might vote against it, insisting that any shadow ministers would have to resign their bench seats.

>>413104
B-b-but the LADS don't like the poles coming over to scrub toilets!

>>413103
>Incidentally, /pol/-kun's "the left are the TRUE fascists" line gets more absurd by the hour
>what is the horseshoe theory?

>>413103
Seems to be working so far.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/san-francisco-teachers-union-lesson-plan-calls-trump-racist-article-1.2877154
http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Bill-would-require-teaching-of-California-10863903.php
https://stream.org/california-bill-aims-teach-kids-russia-helped-trump-win-presidency/

>>413108
Yes, facts. And?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316015-agriculture-department-lifts-order-for-lockdown-on-its-research-arm

Reminder that every person talking about voter fraud (except Trump) knows better but really wouldn't mind if non-Whites couldn't vote.

If they aren't laughing at the notion, they want to keep non-Whites from voting.

>>413113
Yeah yeah, whites are ze deville.

>>413114
Only Whites that make unfounded claims about voter fraud in order to make it harder for non-Whites to vote.

>>413115
Also Whites and non-Whites that are anti-abortion, anti-LGBT rights and anti-secular. They are all better off as mulch.

In "freedom of religion" news, the Satanic Temple is one step closer to getting its statue of Baphomet placed on government property.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/01/25/the-satanic-temples-proposed-baphomet-monument-at-the-arkansas-capitol-just-overcame-a-big-hurdle/

>>413095
>Clinton was against the TPP
Erasing history already I see.

>>413113
You are assuming that everyone with a darker shade of skin color is an illegal immigrant, which is racist beyond belief. Most people of color come from families that have been American for generations.

But lets set aside your casual racism for now.... The only reason we have voting is "no taxation without representation" So why would I let a person who doesn't pay taxes get to vote on how those taxes are distributed? If illegal migrants want to vote, let them get a work visa and pay taxes first.

>inb4 buh buh visas are haaaard!
It's always easier to do something illegally, how often do you just leave a supermarket or a hardware store without paying though?

>>413118
Now see there's no problem with that, it triggers Christians but the truth is that if Satanists have a significant population in that town, they can vote in city council to put in whatever statue they want.

>>413119
Illegals can't vote though. They don't have the documentation for voter registration. The author of the latest Pew study says there is no voter fraud.

Whites who say illegals vote are actually just trying to purge voter registrations and make it harder to register and vote in areas with fewer White people. For that, they should be killed.

>>413120

And the only reason Trump even wants to do a new investigation of voter fraud — only in states he lost, by the way — is to either shrink or wipe out Hillary Clinton's popular vote win. He is that fucking insecure.

And he will keep it going until he gets the results he demands, even if it takes falsifying of data and evidence. Because he is White culture personified.

>Soros
I got Bingo!

>>413124

>You guys were gung-ho for a fraud investigation

No, we were gung-ho for a proper recount of votes in states with slim margins of victory for Trump. Once the interference of Russia came to light, sure, some people called for fraud investigations. But without any widespread evidence of voting or electoral fraud, there is no reason to believe it happened in the numbers that Trump is suggesting. (And by the way: Of the actual in-person voter fraud cases in the 2016 election, most of them involved Trump supporters.)

Trump has only one reason to suggest his victory is somehow tainted by voter fraud and launch an investigation into states he did not win: ego. He is a sore winner because he won the election but technically lost the popular vote; the number of illegal votes he believes were cast comes out to about his loss margin in the popular vote. And if he truly believes the vote count was influenced by illegal votes, why did he have his legal team argue that there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in a brief filed against Jill Stein's recount efforts?

Oh, and one more thing. Trump himself said people who are registered in two states committed voter fraud. So what are the chances Trump will investigate Steven Mnuchin, who is registered to vote in two states? What are the chances he will investigate Steve Bannon, who was registered to vote in two states prior to today? And what are the chances he will investigate his own daughter, Tiffany, who was (and might still be) registered to vote in both New York (where she cast her vote) and Pennsylvania?

>>413125
You have a mental disorder.

>>413126
And then when proper recount was done and Hillary started losing votes in certain areas
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
http://elections.wi.gov/taxonomy/term/265
You guys suddenly lost the willpower to search for truth.

Quelle surprise.

>>413127
>You have a mental disorder.
Oooooo DOUBLE bingo

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/trump-officials-suspend-plan-delete-epa-climate-web-page

Like most goblins, the Trumper fears sunlight, ergo we must keep it shining on them so they continue to flee

DO NOT LET UP, NOT ONE FUCKING SECOND, FOR THE NEXT FOR YEARS

and yell at those fucking dithering Senate Dems if you're in their district to stop making compromises that the Republicans were singularly unwilling to make when they were in minority

>>413124
>There is literally a video of Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote

Then prosecute him, White trash.