/mtv/ - Music, Television & Film

This movie does seem so much better than the previous actual Avengers films.

Chris Evans will never not be a perfect Captain America. That callback was hype.

>>45440

First Avenger doesn’t get nearly enough love. Glad to see the Russos remembered it.

>>45442
And given he's on Team Iron I bet the climax will have in the Iron Spider suit.

Also Ant on Arrow comfirmed.

>>45444

>Ant on Arrow

And to think, that’s only the fourth best part of this trailer (behind Spidey, the First Avenger callback, and Black Panther being badass as fuck without needing a single line).

I'm just glad that from reading all of the interviews on the subject that Feige and the Russos seem to have learned the right lessons from the original comic and are doing what they can to avoid it all.

Spidey no longer rolling with Basketball Jones

very happy.

>>45449

The film has a bit of a bigger problem, though: as Film Crit HULK pointed out on Twitter, Civil War is all about the Avengers going to war over Bucky, and we’ve been given little reason to care about him as a character (in terms of what the films have shown us). It’s an “assumed empathy” problem: Cap cares about Bucky, and audiences care about Cap, so the filmmakers assume everyone in the audience cares about Bucky as a result.

>>45457
Ymmv on that. I liked him in the first movie and Winter Soldier made me care about him plenty enough, even if it was the "you poor baby" pity kind.

>>45457

Is it all about Bucky or is it also about the super secret underwater prison they built to hold people like Bucky that we also saw in the trailer?

>>45457
The fact the authorities want to murder Bucky in cold blood instead of capturing him for trial when he was superscience-brainwashed into carrying out the crimes he is accused of and had his mind wiped repeatedly to keep him under control is more than reason enough to agree with Steve that this shit is fucked and nonamerican, but its not like we haven't had a chance to see Bucky before the brainwashing and empathize with how horrific the things done to him were to make him into a living weapon.

Plus the previous movies have been about the overseeing committees/organisations being corrupt/incompetent or Tony being a fuck up and causing the problem, not to mention Ross himself is dirty as hell if you go back and watch the Hulk movie and only has his current position due to having powerful friends and backroom politics.

>>45460
People are theorizing that Bucky somehow gets blamed for that building (the one that seems to be hosting some sort of political/diplomatic conference in the trailer) blowing up, and that's the "shit hits the fan" moment, akin to the school incident with the New Warriors in the comic. Interestingly enouhg it seems that T'challa was in that building, so that would explain why he's hunting Bucky so bad.

Since this is the Spiderman reveal thread-
>Tony brought a 15 year old American minor to a German airport possibly without his Guardian's consent to fight

Does this seem accurate?

>>45463
If the registration is in effect, and it works anywhere like in the comics, then it is fully legal

>>45461

Speaking of T’challa, go back to the trailer and watch Black Panther chase Bucky again. Not only does he outrun Captain America(!), he does it with a hint of feline flair in the way he moves. (Of particular note: look at how he runs compared to how Cap runs.) Panther has looked like a badass without needing a single line in any of the trailers, and by the time Civil War is over, I bet the Russos will have made a lot of people want to see the Black Panther standalone film.

>>45464
Except you can't even join the police force in America until you are at least 18-21? Enlisting a kid with limited training/experience and throwing him against other (older) superheroes is pretty shady.

>>45466

You missed the "and it works anywhere like in the comics" part, bro.

>>45467
Except it was super shady in the comics too? It was literally child conscription even if you didn't have a combat-related power with your only offered alternative was it being surgically removed/crippled by the government.

If MCU Stark was about to become Iron Fuhrer from the comics that would be a BAD thing, and we don't need another Cloud 9 situation but with Spiderboy in her place.

Old school thing is Peter thanks to his mutation looks older than fifteen. Comics it was they assumed he was older until he reveals himself and then Cap sends him home till later.

Ah damn Avengers Academy Cloud 9 in particular being one of the most heartbreaking stories in all of that. You made her into a killer, hope you are fucking happy with that. People should have gotten more shit for that event.

>>45470
That's cool. Way better than the Parka she was wearing when she first appeared.

>>45471
Well she wasn't any kind of superhero or government assassin when she first appeared, she was just a young girl that loved to fly up where there was no one to show off to and its cold high up in the sky so obviously she wore some practical clothing. Then came war machine all JOIN THE SUPERARMY OR IMMA SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE!

Then in like her first day of training they forced a plasma rifle into her hands and ordered her to dogfight with terrorist Jets.

>>45472

Don't forget the cute boy she liked who had half of his head vaporized while saving her life in a training accident!

>>45465
It's going to take a substantial effort to make me want to see a panther movie.
I really don't like him to begin with. I don't see that changing.

>>45474
Why not? I can understand if you didn't like the more recent runs but I've been reading the stuff by Christopher Priest and I'm liking it quite a lot.

>>45478
>his Best Six Inch action figure.
What...?

>>45479
Six Inch is my preferred display size. Gonna get him and Cap. Figuarts unless Mezco gets the license for it since I like Soft Goods (Fabric Clothes)

Watching Jessica Jones and I'm up to episode 10. Not sure whether to say this series is better or worse than Daredevil but I'm enjoying it just as much.

I just wish the action scenes were more than "grab guy and throw him against a wall". Some decent fight choreography like DD had could go a long way.

>>45484
That's the most common criticism I hear about it. If it's not too much of a problem for you then I think you're good.

Speaking of the Netflix shows: Season One of Luke Cage drops on September 30th.

>>45490
Cool just going on from the Jessica Jones series? Or before that?

>>45491

Dunno. Probably going from Jessica Jones, since Iron Fist is slated to show up.

>>45494

Danny just going to hang out watching TV while Luke and Jessica just pound down. They've loosely used comic arcs to plot these series. What could they use for Luke?

>>45511
>the war within Cap's harem

Not gonna lie, I'm mildly confused by what I'm seeing here

I cried during the opening scene of Daredevil season 2 just because it's so great to see a Superhero still being a superhero.

>>45559
I feel the same about the flash but I saved my tears for Jurassic World.
But that story is for another thread.

Jeremy Renner is under the delusion that people want more Jeremy Renner.

http://www.avclub.com/article/jeremy-renner-down-hawkeye-netflix-series-if-you-a-234077

>>45561
I don't outrigth WANT it, but neither would I mind if it happened.

>>45561
You'd be surprised how many fangirls he still has. I just don't understand.

>>45561

I'd be down for a Hawkeye series.

>>45563
Why would people not want a Hawkeye series? One of the best parts of Age of Ultron was the development Hawkeye got, especially revealing his superpower of "being a well-adjusted human being."

>>45565
>Why would people not want a Hawkeye series?

Because MCU Hawkeye ain't much of Hawkeye?

>>45566
You don't like him. That doesn't mean he's not cool.

>>45565
He's just not the same character. He's got a wife and kids so it doesn't really work the same way unless they kill them off cheaply like some rabid Clintasha fans have been hoping for. If they made a miniseries centered all around Kate Bishop though I'd totally be down for it.

>>45720

Maybe something will be worked out as Avengers Centered stories wind down and maybe they are allowed a few solo films.

Alternatively they could introduce Kate Bishop early and make the David Aja Hawkeye miniseries and other future Hawkeye spinoffs centered around her as they permanently phase Clint Barton Hawkeye out.

http://collider.com/doctor-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-images/
Dr. Strange is apparently done shooting for now. I'm surprised how closely the costume sticks to the comics and how good it looks. Almost ASM2 level. I really expected them to tone it down and mute the colors but it seems like the collar is the only part that's really changed.

The first teaser for Doctor Strange drops next week during Jimmy Kimmel’s show.

This soon? I thought they just finished shooting or something.

>>45780

A teaser isn’t a full trailer. I imagine it’ll be something brief, like maybe 45 seconds to a minute, to give us a taste of the film’s tone—it isn’t due out until November, after all.

>>45780
A teaser may not even need post production.
It could just be Cumberstrange talking to noted old asian man Tilda Swinton.

>>45787
>"He cheats!"

Oh my lord that was wonderful

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/marvel-cloak-and-dagger-freeform-series-1201747907/
So there's going to be a Cloak and Dagger series. Hopefully it's better than Agents of SHIELD.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/finn-jones-talks-iron-fist

>training around the clock for the role consisting of daily routines filled with Kung Fu, Wushu and Tai Chi training in addition to meditation and studying Buddhism.

>>45810
That's good though I hope he gets real experts for this. Still though I'd rather they cast someone with known experience in these things and a more solid acting resume so people don't have to wonder about it.

Not that it means much considering it happened for BvS, but early reviews/buzz for Civil War from critics/regular jackoffs who’ve seen the film is positive. Then again, BvS buzz from critics/regular jackoffs who'd seen the film didn’t start hitting social media until, what, a week before its wide release? We still have a month to go before Civil War drops into theaters.

Marvel seems confident as fuck.

>>45812
well Directors that know what they are doing is a help. Solid pedigree and build to this. And most of all it's fun to watch.

>>45812
Well, Civil War may have been the worse of the two comic book storylines to take inspiration from, but all the interviews from people involved in Civil War were reassuring, whereas the comments Snyder was making, the information we'd been hearing, and half of the trailers they'd been releasing about the film were setting off alarm bells long before it came out.

>>45813

>fun to watch

[DC überfanboy] SO YOU CAN’T HANDLE SERIOUS SUPERHERO FILMS YOU JUST WANT STUFF THAT’S FOR KIDS ASDJGAHGDSJSGHSDJHFDGHDF [/DC überfanboy] Yes I realize it’s a shitty strawman; please don’t take my stupid bullshit seriously.

I'm just glad that so many people seem to love Black Panther, sort of like how well people received Wonder Woman. It's good to hear that audiences are so receptive to their main stars despite not being part of the "White Male Lead" demographic execs are convinced a movie must have to succeed, not to mention all this built-in hype bodes well for their solo films.

Plus i just really dig Black Panther as a character (when he's got good writers). The new solo series for him is pretty good so far.

From what I'm hearing Civil War follows a lot of similar plot elements as Batman v Superman, but it handles most of them a lot better. Wonder what it bodes for Capsus Chrimerica.

>>45817

>Capsus Chrimerica

...what?

https://twitter.com/SidizenKane/status/718776665376096256

Good point. BvS and Man of Steel aren't bad because they're serious and lack jokes, they're bad because they're too full up their own asses and don't get audiences invested in the conflict either.

Seems like people really like Holland's Spider-Man even though he's not involved in the plot very much. Not sure if that's a good thing (that Holland is that superb) or a bad one (that he stands out because the main conflict isn't that interesting).

http://deadline.com/2016/04/tessa-thompson-joins-the-marvel-universe-thor-ragnarok-1201735551/
Interesting. Wonder who she'll be playing. Also I guess it means Portman really is calling it quits with these films. Don't blame her after the whole Patty Jenkins drama.

>>45831
Running through Thor love interests in my head, all I can think of is maybe Amora or maybe a really altered Tana Nile?

Also, boourns to not committing to Thor/Sif.

It's too bad, especially since I like Thor/Sif in the comics, but Sif was never really that well-established as a character in her own right, let alone a love interest to Thor. I'm hoping she does continue showing up elsewhere in the MCU after the Thor trilogy is over, but it has one of the more expendable casts out of all the sub-franchises.

>>45833
Yeah, the Thor movies have really screwed the pooch on characterization for Thor's Asgardian buddies.

>>45835
Especially the second film. Mediocre as fuck, but having read an article on its fucked-up development it's kind of amazing how they managed to salvage enough of it to make it even coherent at the last minute.

Marvel gets Strange: //youtube.com/watch?v=wwcSki7r9cQ

>>45837
Disappointed Strange isn't British in this continuity, but glad to see they followed through on the promise of trippy visuals.

>>45837
>Tilda Swinton is dressed up to look Asian
I thought the reason they cast her was to avoid the whole Asian stereotyping problem. This is starting to feel like Cloud Atlas again.

>>45840
Logo's a lot plainer than I was expecting.

>>45841

Honestly, after years of that one font style for Spider-Man movie logos, I'm all for the change.

As expected, a lot of people are complaining online about "whitewashing" with Tilda Swinton's character, but Chiwetel Ejiofor playing a Romanian guy gets a pass.

>>45843
Sure, why not. Same thing with the Thor movies and Idris Elba.

>>45843
Actually I am hearing complaints about Ejiofor, but more in the line of various scattered complaints about how they made a black guy play a villain character therefore Marvel Studios has an anti-black agenda.

First batch of official reviews are out for Civil War, and unsurprisingly a lot of them are saying it's basically a better Batman v Superman. DC really needs to do something about that Snyder problem.

>>45848
I get the feeling it'd review worse if BvS hadn't just come out.

>>45849
Maybe. It being the most absolute dreary mashup of film ideas and heroes helped contrast the two for sure.

>>45849
Maybe, but there's also AoU to contrast it to.

As long as Zemo doesn't die (I am looking at you, AoU, still not forgiving you for killing Von Strucker so cheaply), I am willing to give the movie a pass from underutilizing him, as it was already clear to me that he would be very peripheral to the plot.

>>45864
Good news I guess. Some reviews let slip that he lives through the film, possibly to do more in the future. He has a very Luthor-like role here, but benefits from having an actor who isn't as scene-ruiningly inappropriate
I'm guessing a lot of the naysayers don't know what the character is like in the comics.

>>45887
For the MCU to properly revive a character who actually was confirmed to have died, rather than bringing back a character whose "death" was ambiguous would open a Pandora's box that's not really worth it and destroy any ability to generate tension in future movies, similar to what happened with Superman at the end of BvS.
Some people will bring up Coulson but it's a little different since it happened in a continuity that's basically separate from the films, and the nature of his revival was incorporated into a season-long storyline that makes it hard to repeat.

>>45892

Did Coulson even appear at all in a Phase Two film?

>>45892
Maybe but being alive do to magic glove is Baron Von Struckers whole gimmick next to being a fucking nazi.

Or Red Skull could come back with the real cosmic cube and use it to bring back all of Hydra in one good.
Would make for a great oh shit moment.

>>45893
...Exactly.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BESfJFfR2HZ/

>pomin8r#Nebula & #Mantis rocking #Nirvana in Atlanta ( hey @jamesgunn !) #karengillan #pomklementieff #GotGVol2

>>45839
I heard the real reason they used Tilda Swinton is because they don't want to anger the Chinese government by setting it in Tibet If that's the case though they fucked up because now even the Chinese are probably going to get pissed.

>>45898

That whole situation was a Sophie’s Choice. Marvel was never going to please everybody.

>>45899
True, but it seems like the particular path they took will maximize the amount of people who will be upset.

>>45900

At least they’re not the studio behind the live-action Ghost in the Shell movie. Yikes.

>>45901

Making her a digital Asian last I heard.

>>45902
That plan was thankfully nixed, but the rest of it is still pretty outrageous.

When this brouhaha erupted I was rolling my eyes at everyone who assumed Scarlett Johanssen would be playing a Japanese character, in a story set in Japan, surrounded by other Japanese people played by whites. Now I'm not sure who's the bigger idiot, the studio for doing exactly that or myself for expecting anything different.

>>45903
Major using an import model while her other body participating in lesbian orgy? Sounds like a good way to write that out.

>>45903
You know I woulda been fine if they were doing a setting transplant like The Departed or The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. But this is really stupid. Still don't know why people keep hammering Benedict Cumberbatch like crazy for being a racist because he's playing Khan and Doctor Strange instead of stepping aside for POC actors yet nobody ever gives Scarlett Johanssen the same amount of flack for doing the same thing except even worse this time around because of the yellow-washing thing.

>>45906
>The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
...That was still set in Sweden.

https://weminoredinfilm.com/2016/04/19/jon-favreau-joss-whedon-are-gravitating-back-toward-the-marvel-cinematic-universe/
Huh well that's interesting. Though I'm pretty sure money was the reason they had Whedon on for Avengers, I already had a feeling Favreau's relationship with them couldn't have been that bad if he was still willing to play Tony's bodyguard in Iron Man 3.

>>45912

Put Whedon on the TV side of things and he’ll be fine.

>>45913
Think he could find something for Nathan Fillion and some others from Castle as that series winds down. Heck you've got multiple series going on to their last abbreviated seasons that could open up some new Netflix Marvel spots.

Maybe even some of those Star Wars series ideas that have been kicking around, have him be not Han Solo... again.

Could easy have enough to make a Star Wars Bounty Hunters show.

Really

Blacklist
Person of Interest
Grimm
Castle
Bones (David Boreanaz also being one of Whedon's likely choices for new series with him to soon be unattached)
Sleepy Hollow

Michael Weatherly leaving NCIS could easy play a smarmy bounty hunter gambler. (Since the poor bastard is likely typecast no matter what he wants to do)

Likely forgotten a few in this years deluge.

Networks are clearing house on the action/crime dramas save for CBS and their NCIS franchise and the Police Procedurals. Always worth looking to snap some of those up. Plenty have that wit that Whedon is partial to (which I don't think is a bad thing and can work well in situations).

>>45916

Kojima actually watches movies?

...that aren’t twenty hours long?

>>45917
70% of him is made of movies. He relies on them for sustenance.

>>45916
Well yeah, the last movie was basically the plot of the second and fourth games and the Winter Soldier is a walking amalgamation of the MGS cast.

>>45919
I could go for some Captain America movies being not Metal Gear and Bucky being not Snake. Oohh, maybe have US Agent as a brainwashed Steve to be Not Big Boss during the 70s.

>>45920
Cap is more of a Solid Snake. Bucky is more like Gray Fox with some Raiden, Venom Snake, and I guess even Quiet bits thrown in. We need an Ocelot though.

>>45942
http://whatculture.com/film-tv/captain-america-3-wasnt-always-going-to-be-civil-war
It could've legitimately been their plan at first. I'd be OK with this as a fourth movie though.

>>45942
That version of US Agente = Kaz Miller

>>45943
Straight up new team of Avengers lead by brainwashed Captain America believing he's Steve Rogers.

Interesting thoughts from the Doctor Strange writer...
//youtube.com/watch?v=eEpbUf8dGq0

>>45946

Damn I miss Spill.com

So delightfully brutal to bad movies.

Rumor is that the Inhumans movie is getting canceled, or at least having a moratorium placed on it as a super low-priority project. The official reason is so it doesn't clash with the upcoming Indiana Jones sequel, but the other rumors are that the only reason it was put on the slate was because Feige needed it to get Black Panther and Captain Marvel greenlit since Perlmutter has been pushing the Inhumans hard on the comic side of things, and now that he's no longer working with him he's no longer as obligated to make it happen.

Granted a lot of this information is coming from Rich Johnston who's known for his incredibly shoddy reporting, but it would make sense given the other rumors about them, and if it was the case I actually wouldn't mind.

On the Fox side of things, a new X-Men: Apocalypse trailer supposedly drops tomorrow—and this one is supposed to have a big mutant reveal (in other words, it's going to feature Wolverine in there somewhere).

Or X-23, if they want to milk the franchise after Singer's gone and Jackman retires.

>>45967
It's him and Black Widow. Really not much to pull from with the comics .

//youtube.com/watch?v=Jer8XjMrUB4

Wolverine confirmed for Apocalypse.

I wonder how many parts of the one person were surprised by that.

>>45978
Oh shit. Thought he'd never show up in the MCU. Wonder if we'll see a six-armed alien chick in a warrior helmet at some point too.

>>45981

X-men as a whole is a rats nest of who owns what. So hopefully its like Scarlett Witch and Quicksliver made X-men Mutants inclusions as an afterthought so he can be used.

SOMEONE LEAKED THE AIRPORT BATTLE

HOLY SHIT IT'S AMAZING

>>45993
Too right, everything about it is fantastic.

>>45993
Already?

>>45996
Yeah, it was filmed on a phone, the movie is out in some places.

If you didn't already love Ant-Man you'll definitely love him in this one.

>>45998
Well my biggest problem with ant man were the retarded multi ethnic cronies/side kicks, so as long add they aren't in the movie, yeah, I'll probably like him.

>>45999
Russian guy and TI were pretty annoying, but come on, Luis was the fucking best.

Two years ago I was kicking myself for not keeping up with Agents of Shield when it segued beautifully with The Winter Soldier, but right now I've got three seasons-worth of content to catch up on across three different Marvel properties, and I physically have neither the time nor the resources to do so before Civil War enters cinemas in the UK.

You ever get to that stage where catching up even on media you enjoy starts feeling like "homework"?

>>46004

This is why I stopped worrying so much about watching the latest anime that comes out every season. Too much time to blow on not enough quality material.

>>46004
Apparently it's basically gone its own totally separate direction now with all the Inhumans and stuff. Just watch the episodes that have to do with Age of Ultron or so.

>>46004
You're not going to be missing anything with SHIELD.
The Age of Ultron tie in was them saying "We're working on a thing" for a half season that turned out to be the Helicarrier.

The Helicarrier stopped existing after Age of Ultron. Because Agents of SHIELD had by then turned into Inhumans of INHUMAN.

Now this is comedy:

https://twitter.com/abbiewastaken/status/725964202310012928

Everyone who didn’t see this coming, raise your hands.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/29/punisher-marvel-netflix

//youtube.com/watch?v=8QhwY2VLmQM
I laughed.

>>46013
Some moments of clever video editing, but for the most part is unfunny LOLSORANDUM.

>>46007
>The Age of Ultron tie in was them saying "We're working on a thing" for a half season that turned out to be the Helicarrier.
I kept up with the second season and...yeah, that was what put me off catching up with the third season for movie tie-in purposes. It's not a bad show by any means, it's just that there's so much better Marvel stuff I want to watch first (I definitely want to watch Jessica Jones...and I just remembered that I haven't seen the second season of Agent Carter yet, so that's four seasons-worth of content to catch up on).

>>46009
Is he playing a DC fanboy or is that actually (a highly hyperbolic version of) his opinion?

>>46015
I've heard really mixed things about the second season of Agent Carter though (also that it ends on a cliffhanger).

>>46018
>>46016
The guy didn't like BvS (he gave it a "cee-minus"), so I doubt he is playing some sort of fanboy angle, he probably really did think back then that BvS was going to murder Civil War.

>>46019
Lot of people did. I mean Batman and Superman in the same movie. How could it be bad? Yea.

>>46021

Yeah, for all of Marvel’s success, Iron Man and Captain America still aren’t on the same level in terms of mainstream pop culture awareness as Batman and Superman. Lots of people thought the “brand recognition” of BvS alone would propel it to higher box office numbers than it actually did. (Even I thought it would do better than it did based only on its being, well, BvS.)

I'd encountered a study that put the superman shield on par with the Christian cross.
I could believe it. It's certainly more recognizable than some religious symbols.

>>46022
But this is where things differed. DC/WB going on existing Brand Recognition but going against the character perceptions. Disney acknowledged that some of their Marvel game wasn't as strong and have worked to build that up putting Cap on to level Supes should be as a moral authority for inner world actions.

Superman should have been the DC Cap as odd as that sounds now. No just a brooding psychological distressed Super Being.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/05/01/box-office-captain-america-civil-war-nabs-avengers-sized-200-2m-overseas-debut/#119cf0b93be8
>Disney estimates the opening on Cap 3 is 5% below Ultron; 26% ahead of Iron Man 3 and The Avengers; and +157% ahead of Captain America: The Winter Soldier when comparing the same suite of territories and all at today’s exchange rates. Ultron went on to be the biggest superhero movie of all time internationally with $946M ($893M at current rates).
>The top overseas plays for Steve Rogers vs Tony Stark this frame were Korea ($28.9M), Mexico ($20.6M), the UK ($20.5M), Brazil ($12.3M) and Australia ($10.9M).
>The Anthony- and Joe-Russo helmed pic also delivered $9.6M on 205 overseas IMAX screens. The $47K per screen average is nearly double that of Captain America: Winter Soldier.

Well damn, that was fast.

Finally watched it.

You know, Zemo was quite different from the comics, but I must admit that I thoroughly liked this version of the character. Gotta love that he is just one guy with no superpowers, no evil empire, no secret organization, and yet he's managed to hurt the Avengers in ways that no other villain has.

>>46049
Waitaminute, the movie hasn't opened in the US yet? Damn, good thing I didn't mention anything spoilery, should have checked first.

>>46056
Yeah it opened early by over a week in most of Asia and Europe.

>>46057
Here in south america too.

I must say, compared to BvS the theater reacted much, MUCH better to Civil War.

>>46058
What did you think of Black Panther and Spider-Man? Did they do a good job of making Tony and Cap's sides feel balanced out, or give their allies a good motivation for the sides they took? How was Sharon? I heard she got the short end of the stick in terms of characterization and romantic buildup.

>>46059
> Black Panther
He is a charming, suave, and noble. Pretty damn perfect, IMO. Plus, he gets his badass female bodyguards, wasn't expecting them to appear.

> Spider-Man
He is a veritable fountain of quips and battle banter, and even gets called out for it by the Falcon! I loved the guy, and the people at the theater laughed at everything he said. Plus, I got the impression that he was more physically powerful than the other two live action Spideys, which is a good thing.

> Did they do a good job of making Tony and Cap's sides feel balanced out
I'd say yes. It helps that the Sokovia Accords are nowhere near as aggresive as the SHRA. Cap actually was this close to signing in, and without Zemo things wouldn't have gotten anywhere as bad as they did in the movie.

> How was Sharon?
She helps Cap a LOT. Remember that "you plant yourself like a tree" speech in the comics? She actually says it, which imbues Cap with newfound resolve. That scene involves some pretty spoilery stuff, so I am just going to mention that involved a very emotional moment for Cap. Her characterization was good IMO, but the romantic buildup depends heavily in the fact that it was implied that Cap had a thing for that cute neighbor that ended up being a SHIELD agent, otherwise it comes up out of nowhere.

Oh, and she is involved in one of my favorite funny moments in the film. Bucky was SO proud of his pal!

So Infinity War Part 1 and 2 are going to get new names to make it clear they're not two halves of the same story but two separate ones. Thinking one of them might get changed to Infinity Gauntlet which is the actual storyline it's referencing.

>>46061

Naw, Part 1 will become Thanos: The Hand of Fate.

…fuck you, that’s funny.

>>46060
Good to know, though as one of the people who didn't buy Cap's interest in Sharon I'm disappointed they didn't do so hot with the romance. The impression I got was he really didn't appreciate her lying to him about herself, and nobody important was there to see how she stuck her neck out for him and saved the guy in the SHIELD HQ, so she'd have to prove herself in front of him before things would move forward for them.

I didn't like it that much but. I seem to be in the minority. So I'll shut up.

>>46064

If you didn’t like it, articulate why. So long as it’s not a reason completely reliant on tangible details, you’ll at least get a fair shake from me.

Gotta say it, Whedon has no excuse for the mess Age of Ultron was. The Russo bros had to juggle with even more characters, their story was more complex, and even had to deal with a forced plug to another movie (and I don't recall them ever whining about it!), and yet Civil War flows much better.

>>46067
Whedon is a hack.

>>46067
They got rid of Bendis/Millar and the rest of the Bad Writer Committee for Civil War.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/marvel-studios-very-nearly-sold-the-film-rights-to-captain-america-and-a141334
>Sony Thor
>WB Captain America
Nolancap might've been OK maybe. But Snyder can fuck right off.

>>46066
The tone was all over the place and it was never really consistent. The Big Battle was a bunch of jokes and quips and the whole thing felt like a comedy routine. The movie carries on as a sequel to two different movies and it just feels tiring.

I dunno, I never seem to get it right with my movie judgements. I didn't like Iron Man 3 either and everyone loved it, for example. I do hear some people had the same problems I had which at least feels nice so you might feel the same way but.
I won't bet on it.

I wanted to put my feelings out there, but if you enjoyed it and disagree - hey, I envy you.

>>46074

>I didn't like Iron Man 3 either and everyone loved it

Wait, what? I don't really recall a lot of love for IM3.

>>46075
Ironman 3 is a love/hate deal, the most polarizing of the MCU films.

>>46074
>The Big Battle was a bunch of jokes and quips and the whole thing felt like a comedy routine.

With one exception (Panther and Bucky), everybody involved in the battle is NOT fighting to destroy the other team, and almost all of them know each other personally, if not are outright friends. Even newcomers like Peter or Lang have deep admiration for people on the other side of the confontation, and were clearly having the time of their lives. If there is one superhero battle where a friendly and jovial atmosphere is justified, that's it.

>>46077

And Spider-Man is a big snarker in the comics, so his being a motormouth during the fight makes sense. (Lang is the only other "comedy" character in the fight, so his being the yin to Spidey's yang in that way also makes sense.)

>>46077
Of course. I get it. I didn't like it cos I'm a big fuckin' baby.
Enjoy, you guys.

>>46075
I sure LOVE the theme, though~
//youtube.com/watch?v=4XJ07onCqAs

I enjoyed the film, but for some reason I really disliked the filming of action scenes compared to the other Avengers movies. The camera constantly moving in the early fights (opening action beat and the Bucky chase) made everything very hard to focus on, blurry, and I actually felt a little motion sick at points. Maybe I'm the only one? During the later large fight the camera was pulled back far enough that everything was fine.

>>46083
Nah that's a reasonably common complaint among normal people. Too many cuts, this was a bit of a problem in the last movie too but it thankfully evens out as the film goes on. Apparently the Russos got the John Wick guys on board to help.

>>46084

Off-topic: GOD, it was great to see coherent action scenes in a Western action movie again. Bless you, based John Wick crew.

A lot of the action scenes with the quick cuts and the shakycam were with the Black Widow, I do wonder if they had problems with her stunt double.

Just saw it. Was great and I want to see Black Panther's solo movie even more now because of it.

>>46085
Well... shakycam as a trend has been... actually kinda disappearing lately if you've followed action stuff these last few years.

So apparently a lot of Black Panther's lines in this movie (which were great btw) were written by Ryan Coogler himself, who will be doing partial writing duty for the solo film. And since the Captain America trilogy shows the importance of a good script above even questionable directing, I'm double hyped.

>“We wanted [audiences to choose a side, but we didn’t want anyone to be right or wrong,” said co-writer Christopher Markus. “The appeal of it is no one is clearly on the side of righteousness. There’s a good argument to be made [with Iron Man] and there’s a good argument to be made [with Captain America].”

http://io9.gizmodo.com/civil-wars-writers-and-directors-explain-why-you-should-1775317717

There's actually only one good side, and that's Tony. The villain exists to artificially give Cap's side credibility.

I guess this is the right thread for it too. Reviews are starting to come out for X-Men Apocalypse and they're all... pretty mixed. Oh well. Not really that surprised since the trailers didn't impress me very much, but hopefully the spinoff movies do better, because fuck Deadpool was awesome.

>>46099
The X-Men movie series is over a decade old and not only has to fight its own fatigue, but compete with the current oversaturated superhero market as well. And while Bryan Singer can do great, as evidence by Days of Future Past, he's also capable of churning out a Superman Returns. For the next movie - set for the 90s era - it really needs a fresh face behind the camera, because Singer has done everything he can with the franchise.

I wouldn't mind a return of Matthew Vaughn, if he can pull himself away from a non-Mark Millar movie.

>>46100

The X-Men film franchise has eight films to its name (yes I'm counting the Wolverine films; no I'm not counting Deadpool). Of the seven released so far, two of them have been great (X2, DoFP), one has been good (X-Men), and the rest have been anywhere from mediocre to crap. Early buzz on Apocalypse puts it somewhere on the high end of “mediocre”. That really isn’t a good track record for a tentpole franchise. After Apocalypse and Wolverine 3, Fox might want to see about maybe transitioning the franchise to TV/Netflix, because as a film franchise, it’s not doing so well.

>>46098
>There is only one good side.
Says supporters on both sides.

>>46102
Yeah? So Cap supporters are wrong, simple enough.

>>46103
No, thats the thing. That is exactly what people are saying about Tony, as well. Tony supporters are wrong, simple enough. Handing control of the avengers over to a 177 government council? Each with their own agendas and benefits to being selective?

Plus, it being the fuckin UN, where every motion takes a month?

You see where I'm going with this?
Taking a step back and seeing the whole thing with a little self awareness now?

>>46103
Cap had a distinct point regarding people with agendas, or are we just going to forget that the guy in charge has such a hate on for the hulk that he created the abomination?

>>46104
I understand that you think you have a valid point yes.

>>46106
Sebastian Stan also fell off a motorbike face first and went to the same doctor?

>>46104

If you actually listened to Tony's position his opinion was that this was an option they could control, "add amendments" to later, and was more of a token gesture of good faith to the governments to rebuild trust.

>>46109
nah man don't you know that all that ever matters is EXPEDIENCY

>>46110

It's a problem that’s far older than Civil War or BvS, and it doesn’t have an easy solution.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/10/spider-mans-central-role-in-captain-america-civil-war

This is a Good Read™.

//youtube.com/watch?v=_qIRtFE6aIc

And this is a Good Watch™.

>>46104
>Handing control of the avengers over to a 177 government council?


The Avengers at any given moment have enough firepower to defy the combined NATO militaries. Hell, not even talking about their top powerhouses, given enough prep-time Tony alone could solo the entire US armed forces. They are more or less a superpower geopolitically speaking, one that doesn't even have a border and operates freely on a global scale, all in the hands of a handful of individuals.

I am asking you, if that happened in our world, would you be perfectly OK with it?

>but they are good guys!

Yes, I know they are. You know. We all know. Good, morally sound, and incorruptible. Thing is, within context, the people in the MCU earth do not know this for sure, they do not possess our god's view. Cap's argument is that the UN "is run by people with agendas and agendas change", which is indeed true, but (again, within context) couldn't the same be said of the Avengers?

These are interesting questions, and I actually wish the whole Sokovia Accords plot was more central to the film, because it made the pro-reg side at least reasonable instead of making everybody involved a supervillain like they did in the comics.

>>46107
Its

its not that i think I have a valid point.

Its that a case can be made for either side.

So with Hawkeye on the run do you dudes think they are going to give him his comic costume now?

>>46124
Classic suit or just more purple and shades?

>>46124
No. I also doubt Baron Zemo will get his costume.

>>46127
At least its not like a dark purple (fur lined) jacket and balaclava is an impossible thing to put him in without it being an explicit costume.

Classic.
Well if he goes underground as a cirkus preformer...
What, that could totally happen.

>>46127
I was hoping he'd wear a purple balaclava and a fur coat during the bit in Siberia as a nod even if it's not a permanent thing.

I could see Zemo returning with a costume, as the Citizen V. If the Avengers go missing after the events of the Infinity War, I could see Thunderbolts being an immediate follow up.

>>46152
Well its talking about a very minor character toy peripheral being sold to children, of course they would not be receptive to him?

Also this goddamn Amiibo-type crap is such a ripoff gimmick.

>>46153
They're toys. They have chips that allow you to put them in a game. Its... exactly what it says on the tin. Not exactly like they're duping people into something.

>>46154
It's overpriced collect-em-all bullshit.

>>46156
in a field already glutted with the stuff. Lego, Skylanders, that other interactive collection thing Disney Marvel put out that was wiped out before this one. Just too many for any one to actually have a strong connection.

>>46158

Except for Amiibos. Those fuckers sell like damn.

Aww, Agent Carter got canceled. Second season wasn't as good as the first but still did they have to leave it on a cliffhanger?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-panther-michael-b-jordan-893845
Another nail in Fant4stic 2's coffin.

>>46164
It's not the first time Marvel's poached the Human Torch from Fox.

Wonder who Michael B Jordan will play.

>>46166
Kasper Cole maybe?