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Via Film Crit HULK:

>YEAH, COMPLETELY SUPERIOR TO GHOSTBUSTERS TRAILER AND WHAT SHOULD BE A HUGE LESSON IN TEASER CUTTING (LESS IS MORE): //youtube.com/watch?v=8IDXpOX0Cp0

>>45362
Oh man, that definitely is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Wouldn't give me full confidence in the film but it would've been encouraging nonetheless.

I often find that the less a trailer makes your film look like a minstrel show, the better.

>>45362
I'd have cut most the "Ghost Vomit" scene. More intimidating less overlong puke like say a quick slime blast that knocks her on her back at most.

Like

"Ghost Wispers"

"What's she trying to say?"

"Ghost continues to whisper."

"Go on and get closer."

Bickering between the three

"All right FINE!!"

Gets closer and closer. Holds out the mic cringing.

Ghost leans in to the mic as she opens an eye slightly.

Cut away and see a few trails of slime as *SPLAT* she's utterly slimed and the camera cuts back to her pasted to the floor with slime and the sound of the ghost cackling as she fades away.

https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/705636446162460673
https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/705641056742715393

>>45366
Actor defends upcoming production/Stand up defends bit

News at 11

>>45369
Complaints are now hitting this film from all across the spectrum. And the dislikes are still tracking just about double the likes.

So given how strongly Sony wants a Ghostbusters Tentpole and this film doesn't look like it'll hit close to the numbers its wishing for. How fast will they fast track the film the script writer wants to be an indirect sequel.

>>45374
Considering how the film crew's pushing the "don't read the comments" and potential antagonization, they were well aware of the pushback. I really don't think this is making a dent.

>>45374
If nerds bitching about movies in Youtube comments were enough to make a movie fail, there would have been no successful movies since Youtube was launched.

Some actual good points raised about Leslie Jones’s role:

http://www.themarysue.com/leslie-jones-regular-people-as-ghostbusters/

>>45378
Not really? Again it relies on her own testimonial for the conclusion, and actors are generally not credible sources about their upcoming projects.

>>45380
Although even if they were, you would discount her opinion because it runs counter to the narrative.

Even if you ignore the racism, the use of the library ghost indicates an astounding level of creative bankruptcy.

>>45384
Wait, what racism?

>>45378
Reminds me of the shitflinging over ships in The Force Awakens, where you've got the Finn/Poe fans accusing Finn/Rey fans of being motivated by homophobia and the Finn/Rey fans accusing the Finn/Poe fans of being motivated by intolerance for positive black male/white female relationships, rather than being willing to accept that the other group's ship represents something good.

>>45387
>"All the other women are doctors and the black woman isn't? That's Racist."
>"But she's got skills they others don't being a MTA Worker so she know New York like they don't (watch them never go into the subway at all after the initial scene) she has "Street Smarts!"
>"She's got "Street Smarts!!" that's even more Racist!!"

Really there is no way to win this. Cept not play.

>>45388
>stereotype
>stereotype
>stereotype

wow, yes a wide variety of arguments, anon.

>>45389
Just giving an example of the usual back and forth.

>>45387
>ship represents something good

Ships never represent anything besides masturbatory fetishes.

>>45391
Not necessarily. I gave up on shipping Korrasami because of how horribly it was executed and how toxic the fanbase got but I was still glad to see it happen anyway because it's good seeing people like you shown onscreen good to see people like me depicted as a "proper" couple treated with seriousness as opposed that type of stuff having to be vaguely hinted at or or limited to fanfic, which like you said is mostly the realm of masturbatory fetishes.

>>45391
>Ships never represent anything besides [something super great]

I gotta get in on this stuff.

The reason I stopped going to /co/ (the 4chan one) is that every time I went to talk about a cartoon, ANY cartoon, the threads always invariably were arguments about who fucked who. Every goddamn time, every goddamn thread, every goddamn cartoon, nobody in the fandom ends up giving a shit about anything but pairing up the characters. Hell, Frozen had a continuous presence on the frontpage for several months, thousands and thousands of threads, and it was basically a huge circlejerk of people arguing that "Elsanna" was the very peak of human achievement.

So yeah, I agree with the other anon, shipping ruins everything.

>>45394
>shipping ruins everything.
What was the Adventure Time episode about this called again?
I would like to recomend it.

That’s why I only really ship a handful of couples, and only from older shows (i.e. Chip × Gadget, Goliath × Eliza).

…so! Howsabout that new Ghostbusters film, eh?

>>45396
Looks bad.

>>45396
Need to know more. Right now I got concerns that it seems that Kate McKinnon's character is just going to be doing random bullshit because she's zany regardless if they are on down time or on a job.

Which if is the case hurts the idea they are dealing with something "Strange in the Neighborhood" an Unknown that could very well be hostile.

>>45396
Probably not the trainwreck naysayers claim it will be but I highly doubt it'll do the original justice. I'd like to think it's because of bad trailer editing though.

>>45400
Its not going to make anywhere near what Sony will be looking for in a franchise leading Tent Pole just going by Feig past films.

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-entertainment-leadership-vacuum-poor-studio-results-create-tension-insiders-say/

oh dear. Looks like there is going to be a lot more pressure on this film to preform than thought.

The international trailer is a damn sight better than its domestic counterpart:

//youtube.com/watch?v=h8Lt02D6xno

>>45420
Is that ever not the case? Why are domestic trailers always shit?

>>45420
oh they should air that here. All the women getting giggly over Nerd Thor that failed crowd surf along with that goofy bit having him attempt the logo design.

But do they then pick up the design from someone tagging or does the ghost come from that and then they model the design on that? And it has to come relatively early since they have a design.

And of course the most important part of these films. Who gets Kevin or does he have the "surprise Girlfriend/Boyfriend" at the end.

>>45420

Well, that trailer just moved me from "I'm not that interested but it looks like it could appeal to some people" to "I hate this with every fiber of my being." I never thought sexist and racist were two words I'd use to describe a Ghostbusters movie, but here we are.

>>45420
Still not great, but it's not the hot garbage the previous trailer was either, and like the other anon said, the crowdsurfing and secretary bits actually made me smile a little.

>>45427

Its a funny woman movie. You've gotta have the oblivious hot dude.

>>45428
I must be one of the few straight(ish) women on this planet who doesn't find Chris Hemsworth all that hot.

You people are remarkable.

>>45427

To note that I believe she's also one of those not making a cameo appearance. Which is a shame since she could have been the temp agency boss they could have hired Hemsworth through. Wonder if it was a case of she wasn't asked or like Moranis. Asked but turned it down as she didn't get the point.

>>45432
My mother finds Chris Hemsworth the least attractive main actor in the Marvel films.

On the other hand, according to her the hottest guy in the bunch is Jeremy Renner, so I dunno lol.

>>45446

As a bi guy: Cap > Hawkeye > Tony > Bruce > Thor

Hemsworth definitely looks better in non-Thor roles, though. The beard really doesn’t suit him.

>>45447
What's Renner's appeal to you? He's not the worst looking man ever but the nose, droopy eyes, and general froggishness make him below average for me and my mother has the same opinion of him.

>>45448

Hell if I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well at least Ghostbusters won't have a bit focused around his penis. Least I hope not.

>>45452
Considering the franchise history, maybe he'll get a ghost blowjob.

>>45447
Pratt > Evans > Hemsworth = RDJ > Ruffalo > Renner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pablo Honey

>>45448
>What's Renner's appeal to you?

The man has a GLORIOUS ass.

Goddamn, he does have a nice—OKAY BACK TO GHOSTBUSTERS.

http://www.themarysue.com/patty-in-ghostbusters-originally-mccarthy/

>>45476
caught ya mirin!

>>45476

So she's meant to be the one to steal the show, great. As much as people say Ghostbusters was/is a Bill Murray film. It still wouldn't have worked if it hadn't been for the rest of the SNL Alum.

So I hope she's not being pushed that hard since that was originally McCarthy's role.

>>45476
That's an unbelievably transparent ass covering maneuver holy shit.

>>45483
It's a pretty blatant lie but what do you really expect them to do, cancel the film?

http://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-reboot-trailer-female-characters-response/

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Kevin-Smith-Ripped-Apart-Ghostbusters-Trailer-118087.html

Some good level dissection of what is known and what is being setup talent wise. Some will probably give Kevin Smith grief about the humor in the trailer.

So thoughts on that from those that have seen Feig films. His stuff isn't my speed really.

>>45487
Yet you're pretty keen on following the guy.

>>45488
I'm keen on trying to figure out what the humor of this film is. I've no clue since I didn't care about Freaks and Geeks and still don't care about whatever Feig is doing now.

I'm not one too see certain things just because "such in such" is in it.

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/12/cryptozoic-announces-ghostbusters-ii-the-boardgame/

Ghostbusters The Board Game II coming out. So it'll likely have pieces from the new film along with new pieces based on the new mechanisms being introduced in this version. Though I hope the stretch goals get all the pieces from the original set in the Kickstarter size.

>>45496
I hope to have the money for that if it looks good.
Im more fond of the second movie anyway do to having it on tape (even if was missing the first 20min and had ads. Home recordings tfw) at home when we only rented the first one.

>>45497

I like the cognitive dissonance that comes from the second film. Ghost are no longer a problem so the Ghostbusters just fade away and those that remain become more a sideshow.

I'd like to have seen that in the new one. Its been 27 years since the last Ghost Convergence the "Hero" (Tully) has long since become a recluse from public life.

Those alive now just take the existence of "Liberty Times Square" Say one of the Ladies has a flashback to seeing Lady Liberty stomping downtown back when she was young. Would have been a great thing for Leslie Jones's character to see that say on her 21st birthday and College Graduation.

Swears up and down to this day that she saw Lady Liberty walking. But the cognitive dissonance has convinced rest of the city that it was just being moved to where it is now.

Sequel could have worked so well.

>>45498

>I like the cognitive dissonance that comes from the second film. Ghost are no longer a problem so the Ghostbusters just fade away and those that remain become more a sideshow.

That's actually one of Ghostbusters 2’s big issues: despite New York at large having seen the ghost invasion that ended with Gozer’s attempt to overrun Earth, people eventually wrote off the Ghostbusters as frauds and jokes. This setup required us to believe people would’ve forgotten about the invasion or treated it as a mass hallucination. It also served the sly purpose of starting the Ghostbusters back at zero—or near-zero—so they’d have a first act arc of “becoming the Ghostbusters again”. (I believe Film Crit HULK refers to this as an "X minus Y" move, though damned if I can find the column where he first mentions that idea.)

>>45500
But it's something that makes sense and would be something that Ray Stantz would comment on if this had been a sequel.

"But I can remember you guys "driving" the statue of liberty. Why doesn't anyone else remember?" Leslie Jones starts dancing while singing "Higher and Higher".

Ray is pulling out a copy of Tobin's putting it among other research material.

"You can thank our old friend cognitive dissonance for that. Egon was doing research on phenomena. The results were... troubling."

Cut to "on the street" footage a couple years prior with what sounds like Egon asking people about the origin of "Liberty Times Square" majority responding with fanciful but mundane explanations as to why and how the Statue of Liberty was moved.

Cut Back as Peter chimes in.

"Yea, turns out if the people of this city aren't having the bejesus scared out of them by specters and spooks constantly. They just forget about us."

My big problem with Ghostbusters 2 is that the stakes are simply not what should be. In the first movie you have an angry extradimensional Sumerian deity about to take over earth and basically murder the hell out of us. In the sequel, the big problem is the return of a asshole regional tyrant. Pfffft, big deal, like we have a shortage of those nowadays. I kinda like Vigo, but they should have made him a WAY bigger threat.

>>45502

>In the sequel, the big problem is the return of a asshole regional tyrant. Pfffft, big deal, like we have a shortage of those nowadays.

The implication was that he'd be powerful enough to actually be a threat by virtue of his supernatural abilities and the pink slime. But implication aside, yeah, Vigo was a shit villain.

>>45503
Atlest he has more charima then most marvel villain.
//youtube.com/watch?v=GP2JPwbtq0g
Also an "all powerfull" wizard showing up in modern day with an army of ghosts and maddening slime would still a problem.
Just saying.
But your right, its not one-uping the first one.
You'd have to watch the cartoon for that.
//youtube.com/watch?v=nEfk5KAOOwo

>>45504
>>45503
He was a powerful wizard while he was alive, and yet he didn't exactly conquer the world back in his day. And he WAS killed by normal, angry people, arguably wielding little more than farming tools. His plan was to return in flesh with a new body, which means, a simple bullet to the head would do the trick.

Also, Vigo's endgame did not make much sense. He wanted to possess Dana's kid, but by that time of the movie such plan was a known fact. Even if he had succeded, he'd be powerless in the body of a baby, .

And speaking of the cartoon, Ragnarock N' Roll is an episode that does "human villain using the supernatural" in a much better manner, and he was THIS close from ending the world.

>>45505
Ragnarok and Roll was some epic Lovecraft style story. Dude had his heart broken and then searched the world for the means to end it all. Full metamorphism.

Crazy stuff from that syndicated batch.

//youtube.com/watch?v=QFcNhrNf6hQ

Little extreme response form Staypuft. But damn that is a nice looking Slimer at the end. Nice and creepy.

>>45506
Best part was the team realizing that there was NOTHING they could do this time to stop the end of the world, and the best they could do was to bid farewell to each other and blow evertyhing in a half mile radius, with the vague hope that perhaps that could take the bad guy. Pretty dark stuff for a kids show.

>>45508

Kinda sad that kids shows are only now moving back towards trying to scare kids half to death.

>>45509
//youtube.com/watch?v=HSuzHQq3yWA

still one of the best guitar solos when shit was getting sad and serious.

Dumping the supposed synopsis here before its deleted from /co/ 4chan.

Erin Gilbert (Kristen Wiig), a physics teacher at Empire State University, has her opportunity to receive tenure jeopardized when her old friend, amateur paranormal researcher Abby Yates (Melissa McCarthy), publishes a book they wrote together several years young, positing the existence of ghosts. Erin visits Abby and her new partner, nuclear researcher Jillian Holtzman (Kate McKinnon), to ask Abby to remove her name from the book, and is persuaded by Abby and Jillian to accompany them to the Aldridge Hotel to investigate claims of paranormal activity. Arriving there, the trio encounters the ghost of Madame Aldridge, the hotel's late owner, who vomits ectoplasm on Erin. Abby records the encounter, including a terrified Erin claiming that ghosts are real, and uploads it to youtube and reddit, leading to Erin being fired. Abby then persuades Erin to join her and Jillian in opening a ghost-chasing business they call "Ghostbusters".

Meanwhile, subway worker Patty Tolan (Leslie Jones) runs into Rowan (Neil Casey), an introverted engineer who has created a machine that amplifies paranormal activity, intending to open a breach between the world of the living and the world of the dead and release an army of ghosts to destroy the human race. After an encounter with a ghost that Rowan releases on the subway system, Patty seeks the Ghostbusters and volunteers to become a member and lend her street-smarts to the team. They also hire a dim-witted receptionist, Kevin (Chris Hemsworth), and set up a base of operations in a chinese restaurant and two vehicles, Ecto-1, a hearse lent to them by Patty's uncle; and Ecto-2, an old motorcycle.

Despite the government's attempts to discredit them, the Ghostbusters become increasingly popular as they capture more ghosts unleashed by Rowan, and ultimately confront Rowan himself, who chooses to commit suicide rather than let himself be captured. With his death, paranormal activity in NYC subsides, adding credence to the government's claims about the Ghostbusters. Going through Rowan's belongings, Erin and Abby learn Rowan attended the same school as them and his obsession with ghosts was born out of their own fascination with the subject.

Rowan returns as a ghost and swears revenge on the Ghostbusters, possessing Abby and attempting to kill Jillian. After Patty beats him out of Abby's body, Rowan possesses Kevin, steals the Ecto-2 and heads to Times Square, where he activates a second machine he had secretly built, opening a portal between the two worlds and raising an army of ghosts that begin wreaking havoc in New York City, while also powering up Rowan's ectoplasmic form. To display his dominance over them, Kevin/Rowan leads the ghosts in a performance of "You Should Be Dancing" by the Bee Gees.

The Ghostbusters intervene despite the government's attempts to stop them, venturing into the evacuated area in the Ecto-1, and Erin manages to exorcise Rowan out of Kevin's body. Rowan demands that the Ghostbusters choose a form for him, and Patty absent-mindely thinks of a spraypainted ghost she saw on the subway line. Rowan becomes a towering version of the graffiti ghost and begins rampaging.

The Ghostbusters fail to defeat him by crossing their streams, and instead Erin and Abby venture into the portal, with ropes tied around their waists, and trick Rowan into directing his forces into the portal. Jillian and Patty then close it, but manage to pull Erin and Abby out, while Rowan and his army become trapped in the world of the dead and Rowan's machine is destroyed.

The government once again discredits the Ghostbusters and they don't receive any recognition for saving the city, but manage to use their savings to buy a new base of operations in an old firehouse. Erin and Kevin develop a relationship, and while analyzing tape recordings during the battle against Rowan, during which paranormal activity was at its peak, Patty finds several cryptic warning about the arrival of Zuul.
Cameos.

Bill Murray at a skeptic who questions the Ghostbusters on the news, and is killed by one of Rowan's ghosts.

Dan Aykroyd as a taxi driver who refuses to obey the evacuation order during Rowan's attack, claiming "I ain't afraid of no ghosts!"

Ernie Hudson as Patty's uncle who lends the Ghostbusters the Ecto-1.

Annie Potts as a receptionist at the hotel Rowan works.

Sigourney Weaver as Jillian's old college professor and mentor who disapproves of her career choice, but comes to respect it in the end.

>>45516
The view full button is busted...

>>45506
>Ragnarok and Roll
//youtube.com/watch?v=hMXNVellxJc

>>45516 Had to open it in a new tap to see it but...
That dont sounds so bad.

>>45519
>written by Michael Straczynski

No wonder it was a good ep.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ghostbusters/comments/493zai/ive_seen_an_early_version_of_the_new_ghostbusters/

Someone that claims to have seen the rough cut or something similar. Seems to sync up with a lot of the current rumor material.

Though again don't know how much is true this feels a lot like Fan4 changing things for the sake of changing things with nothing that really adds to the plot compared to the old one.

http://movieweb.com/ghostbusters-spinoff-all-male-russo-bros-channing-tatum/

So the Russo Bros Ghostbusters film shelved because Feig closed the deal first. Juding from emails he had an inside track. So the Russos are off to head up the Infinity War and from what I've heard maybe a couple Star Wars films.

Also Ghostbusters 4 seems to be up in the air until the current film comes out and they see where it stands.

>>45536

>the Russos possibly doing a Star Wars film

My body is ready.

>>45537
Shoulda been them doing 9 instead of Trevorrow. They've clearly shown themselves to be able to work with an ensemble cast and get to develop them in the same movie before.

>>45538

I liked Jurassic World so I think it'll be fine. Keeps both the lines alive.

>>45536
>Just a few months later, it was rumored that a Ghostbusters Animated Movie is happening at the studio, and earlier this month, the project found a director, with Fletcher Moules, best known for directing the animated Clash of Clans commercials, coming aboard to direct.

This already sounds more interesting to me than Lady Ghostbusters.

Those commercials are pretty entertaining.

https://youtube.com/XH3Xu1-cvII

Always liked the pig riders

>>45540
>This already sounds more interesting to me than Lady Ghostbusters.

I wonder why that is.

>>45542
Can't speak for him, but for me a movie with the oldschool 'busters (even in animated form) obviously takes the cake over any reboot with a new team. I hope you are not automatically assuming the worst and thinking "because they are women".

>>45544
>assuming the worst
it is indeed the worst fucking idea to reboot it with women

>>45545
oh do tell

>>45545

Only if you’re fundamentally opposed to the idea due to a sexist mindset.

Not wanting to really get into the argument but from where I stand it's falling into some of the same pitfalls as Robocop. Keeping a lot of the same looks but changing the story up in a way that is different but in comparison just not as good.

>>45548

Yuuuuuuup.

>>45663
Can't tell at those resolutions.

>>45663
Problem I think is either uncanny valley models looking too much like an actual person. Or from what I saw of the subways group ghost scene is that they are extras in blacklight makeup with some post cgi overlays

>>45669
the key point being that it looks like a BAD video game

>>45670

Pretty much Haunted Mansion level effects.

>>45703
>Those wands look very awkward compared to the originals.
OH MY FUCKING GOD

>>45703
They look like dicks, held at roughly waist height.

>Penis-Envy: The Movie.

>>45663
Let's not pretend the special effects were really that amazing in the original film. They're okay.

>>45706
Special effects that after 30 years look "okay" vs special effects made this very same year and yet looks equally "okay".

>>45706
What the other guy said, thats a long time to show no improvement and if the new stuff is inferior that is even more damning.

//youtube.com/watch?v=RPAklIlov-A

Background information feels like this is heading to just being a train wreck.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/ghostbusters-the-board-game-ii
vs
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/steamforged/dark-soulstm-the-board-game
Well fuck me I guess...

>>45861
>3 men and 1 woman all in theirs 20s.

We could have been getting a fucking Extreme Ghostbusters movie, man.

>>45949
Is that enough men for you, though?

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-ghostbusters-katie-dippold-20160424-story.html

>"At first I let myself read a lot of it and then I realized it wasn't doing me any good," Dippold said at Canter's Deli this month. "It's interesting to me that some people want it to fail. What if you watched it and loved it? Why would that be bad?"

Still thinking many misunderstand negative opinions. Aside from the masochist that want to be proven right that its shit and shouldn't have been created. I think many just see it as something that shouldn't have been done as a reboot. Sequel maybe but not a film that acts as if the original didn't exist which upsets a good amount of fans.

The bullshit excuse being "well its not like those films aren't still out there." But the fans ire coming from as far as the Ghostbusters franchise goes forward those films are no longer canon and that is where that anger comes from. Thirty years that amounts to nothing as far as the new film is concerned.

So even if its "good" they are still not going to like it because of what it does not because what it is or whom is in it.

>>45953
>Sequel maybe
isn't it exactly that

>>45953
This is the only rebooted franchise I've seen that's actually gotten this ire.

I know people are like "It isn't veiled sexism" but holy shit does it just... feel like it on every turn.

>>45959
I don't know, it's near the Powerpuff Girls reboot for me. Definitely not worse though, so anger beyond that level is definitely misplaced.

>>45963
>Robocop got shat on when it rebooted.

But never to a magnitude this great over things so minuscule. I doubt this film would garner the same hatred if the cast was all-male.

>>45965
>The proton packs look different! Will the sins never cease?!

>>45965

That's true, because if the cast was all-male people wouldn't deflect criticisms with claims that they are sexist.

It's a feedback loop. You push people and they push back. They say the movie sucks, you say they're sexist, they push back harder on why the movie sucks and start picking it to pieces to justify to you why they think it sucks. This in turn gets read as "more hatred than usual" and is attributed to sexism.

>>45969
It's a twosided coin. You also get less trolls shrieking about SJW and political correctness and quotas and unfunny women jokes to make them concerned about potential sexism in the first place.

>>45969
Are you being self aware right now

>>45971

Are you?

I'm still kind of blown away by that minstrel show character they put it.

>>45974
That was supposed to be McCarthy's character at the start but I get crossed signals as to if Jones wanted to play that role or they thought it was funnier for Jones to be in the role so they rewrote it for her.

People did as questions about it for a bit but then went quiet.

>>45976
>That was supposed to be McCarthy's character
This was something they made up after people objected to the role.

>>45979
Well that just makes it worse. She could have been an out of work History Professor that had to take the Subway job and then talked peoples ears off about their stops and the old tunnels.

More than what they gave her is what I'm getting at.

Everywoman role would have worked, but they can't call what they've written her Everywoman that just does it for the paycheck like Winston was.

Its like trying to go back to what they had said Winston was going to be in the earlier drafts and not really getting it right.

http://nerdist.com/original-ghostbusters-headed-back-to-theaters-this-summer/

Neat, though don't know if the movie will fare better putting the classic out fresh in people's minds. But it's nice this is going to be in theaters again.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Ghostbusters-Get-Their-Costumes-Movie-128087.html

Still better that Winston was a dude looking for work I think. Mainly because it seems kinda awkward with Patty going "Hey you need *blank* that is why I'm here because I can get you *blank*."

Also trailer right now is the most disliked movie trailer on YouTube.

http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3389395/ghostbusters-trailer-among-disliked-time/

Finally found an article on that that didn't try to tie the negative numbers to misogyny over the cast.

>>46033

It's kind of amazing that you take that number seriously. It's so obviously sandbagged.

>>46035
I just find it interesting how many use it in articles last few days do take that number seriously to highlight the dislike towards the film and parse it with men hating on women. I mean a lot used that as part of a headline tying it to supposed misogynistic anger towards the film.

Tons of articles that could be listed that use that angle and this is the only one that seems to keep a level head not going whole hog into it.

>>46036
>And while I slowly join the angry mob, the Bloody Disgusting community has been venomously against the project since the first teaser dropped. I think it’s safe to say that Ghostbusters is among the most hated films I’ve ever covered here on the site (in 15 years), and each story I post shrouds me in such rage that I’ve had no choice by to slow my coverage to a near-halt. I hear ya.

>>46036
> I mean a lot used that as part of a headline tying it to supposed misogynistic anger towards the film.
There's nothing "supposed" about it.

>>46039
Yeah, every person who dislikes the reboot, does so because they hate women.

>>46040

Let’s be fair here: there were people who were going to dislike this rebake no matter who starred in it because it’s a Ghostbusters rebake. But even in that group, there could’ve been some people who might’ve been swayed to give the rebake a chance because of the cast—and the all-female casting could’ve definitely convinced a few of those people to rescind that chance. And within the group of people not predisposed to dislike the rebake, the all-female casting definitely set off something of a firestorm; the people who hated the idea of an all-female Ghostbusters team were going to trash this film no matter its quality. (Fury Road was one of the best action films ever, and MRAs still got their tighty-whities in a twist over the fact that Furiosa wasn’t just a damsel in distress for Max to save.)

No, not every person who dislikes the rebake does so because they hate women. (I personally think it’s trying too hard to “moderinze” the original film and also has no real “life” to its jokes or action sequences. The casting is irrelevant to those issues.) But if you’re denying that there’s a healthy contingent of people opposed to the rebake largely because of—or even specifically because of—the all-female team, you’re ignoring reality.

>>46041
Well yea that is true. There are always those MRA goons that are going to be that way. Casting the secretary to be little more than a dumb Ken Doll whom Wiig's charcter literally thrists for doesn't help matters.

Female leads and a Pretty Male Sex Object for them to fawn over.

They parse it that Kevin is better since he's got ambitions to be a Ghostbuster tough I question why he wants to be an exterminator and the way its talked about its more a boy playing dressup to tag along with the grownups.

No way in hell they'd set up Kevin to getting credit and being the hero like what happened witht the second movie into the comics and Video Game (Third Movie) with Tully.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/chris-hemsworth-ghostbusters-kevin-internet-comments

>>46040
I never said every, I said there's no "SUPPOSED" misogynistic anger, that's a very real element of the critique and appears in this very thread.

The film looks unfunny and racist as hell but let's be straight about this.

>>46044
True and from some things it looks ilke that is the response they want. They want this to be a women's film more than anything else it seems. All other males in the film are stunted manchildren while the leads are strong smart women.

The film is being produced by Amy Pascal who from rumor has pushed Ivan Reitman out from having any power in film production. She's apparently also been real focused about making women centered films of an aggressive feminist nature.

Its been a whole part of the marketing to show how much women are in control of this film.

I've got no problem women taking leads into production and acting.

I just think making a Ghostbusters that focuses so heavily on the gender of their characters wont really work. Takes the focus away from what should be the focus. Ghosts and the goofballs that run an extermination business to get them.

Some think that may lead to the films success making the film so derisive.

Though since this is a reboot and not only a sequel you've split the available audience pool into a maybe quarter of what would be possible.

This is bad for a supposed Ten Pole.

>>46045

>I've got no problem women taking leads into production and acting. I just think making a Ghostbusters that focuses so heavily on the gender of their characters wont really work.

From what I’ve seen of the trailer, the gender of the new Ghostbusters team isn’t even really a plot point, so much as it’s a sidebar to the real plot (which is a rehash of the original movie’s plot with a modern slant and, if the spoilers are true, an actual sequel hook). And even if it did focus on the gender of the team, so what? That doesn’t even really fucking matter compared to the fact that this is a rebake of a film that didn’t need a remake and a franchise that didn’t need a reboot. The new team could’ve been four black guys, four Indian women, or four asexual trans Asians for all that it matters; the underlying idea—“rebake” Ghostbusters—would’ve still sucked ass.

>>46045
>I've got no problem women taking leads into production and acting.

It's funny way of showing it, focusing entirely on the fact that women are involved and repeating rumors started by misogynists.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/02/ghostbusters-reshoots-trailer

>Feig has been busy putting the finishing touches on the film for months now, conducting test screenings and other last-minute additions, including a scheduled day-and-a-half of reshoots in downtown Los Angeles that concluded Monday morning with his four leading ladies.

Reshoots I'd guess being interior shots from the firehouse in LA which provided the interior to the No. 9 Hook and Ladder New York exterior. So maybe some end of film stuff.

I can't wait for producers to start using this as an example of how Audiences Don't Want Female Protagonists.

>>46051
>I can't wait for producers to start using this as an example of how Audiences Don't Want Female Protagonists.

Whatever failures it had on its own merits, a lot of angry nerds started their crusades against this movie as soon as it was revealed the protags would be female. Then the other nerds piled on the miso-nerds bandwagon once they started seeing that things were different from the original.

So the producers wouldn't be exactly wrong.

>>46051

That was already a thing thanks to Catwoman and Elektra.

>>46086

Of course. But it'll show they understand things need to change going forward if they can parse the garbage from the legit criticism and not be like the Remember Me game was and blame their poor reception wholly on that (Beyond Good and Evil says "hi!")

Just using that example since they were calling out misogyny before the game was released as a defense, because the game was a shambling mess of ideas.

And top criticism for the film of it being a remake instead of a sequel for no reason other than just wanting it to be their own and not really giving anything new to the story that makes it better.

>>46087

Wonder if Marvel will be able to beat the trend.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/sigourney-weaver-returns-dead-ghostbusters-article-1.2635262

>“There’s been a lot of recuts and editing in recent weeks as concerns are growing over the movie,” we’re told. Even Bill Murray, who had top billing in the Ivan Reitman version of the poltergeist-pursuing classic — and supposedly a small part in the new one — has insiders wondering how “Ghostbusters” will play with audiences when it opens on July 15. The 65-year-old living legend doesn’t appear in the film’s official trailer.

>“I’ve never been involved in a project with so many different edits, re-edits and story alterations.”

Balls.

While I don't want Blockbusters Ghostbusters I would like it to be back in popular culture. I think its got promise.

>>46157

Any film has “promise” until the moment shooting starts. From there, it’s a matter of whether everything surrounding the film—the script, the acting, the directing, the editing, and so on—comes together in a competent way. Given all the rewrites and such I’ve heard about this film undergoing, I don’t trust it to “work” on the same level as Ghostbusters II, let alone the original Ghostbusters.

>>46160


I get the feeling that the "It feels like a series of SNL skits" complaint that came from the trailers reviews is the reason for the heavy editing and re-editing. Maybe even the additional shoots in New York and LA. Trying to bring all of this back into some narrative structure.

>>46161

It’s what I’d guess. A film without any sense of structure won’t work, even if said film has the best acting and directing and CGI ever.

>>46162
>without any sense of structure
>the best acting and directing and CGI ever.
I don't know about you, but I love me a artsy as fuck movie. Not that Ghostbusters 3 is going to be an artspiece.

>>46162

They've got a couple of months. So something has gotta work. Hope Annie Potts doesn't get cut from the final edit.

Be great if her line echoes back to the original.

Rowan comes into his apartment building go to the back room franticly searching through a pile of old paper refuse. Comes out exasperated.

"Were... are the old copies of the Post?"

She looks at him over her glasses.

"Haven't you heard?"

Holds up her tablet showing an article on the rumored "Ghostbusters".

"Print is dead."

Rowan makes a strangled choking noise and runs off screaming to his apartment.

She sighs and goes back to reading

"I've quit better jobs than this."

>>46168

Artsy-as-fuck movies don’t make millions of dollars at the international box office, tho’.

>>46170

Does Ghostbusters have a presence on the international market? More I think about it that is a question that Sony didn't ask.

>>46171

Why do you think this is a rebake? No need to bring up the old films, so no need to worry about non-Americans potentially having little-to-no knowledge of the original movies.

http://cinemassacre.com/2016/05/17/ghostbusters-2016-no-review-i-refuse/

I'd like to see what he comes up with in tracking down the path that lead us here.

>>46182
His statement is entirely reasonable and I don't see how anyone could have a problem with it.

>>46184

They will. They'll somehow make this into him being sexist even though that part of the film has nothing to do with this reasons for not wanting to take part.

Though he's right that they should have done like Star Wars. New adventure with a new cast but having the old cast be there to wrap up their legacies before passing it on to the next.

http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2016/05/cinemassacre-vs-ghostbusters-vs-internet.html

>The remake of GHOSTBUSTERS became a proxy battlefield for political posturing pretty-much the minute it was announced because that’s the world we live in now, and that’s always a frustrating phenomenon because it involves weighing two equally true facts against eachother – Fact #1 being that issues like feminism, progress, social-justice etc are, objectively, more important than whether or not a movie is good; but Fact #2 being that the only fair way to judge a work of art is based on its intrinsic merits and not which “side” of some bigger, more important argument its quality or lack thereof backs up.

James bringing in some headlines by just declaring that he's just not going to watch movies that likely will suck ass.

>>46190
That was their own making posturing the other film being written as "The Male Ghostbusters Movie" when it wasn't and been hammering since last June how many women were working on the film and how important they were to its production.

They wanted this controversy. Thought the exact reasons for that are speculative.

>>46193
>Thought the exact reasons for that are speculative.

Because it's free publicity. As long as it puts people in the theater seats, it doesn't matter if they are there to hate the movie.

//youtube.com/watch?v=t6hlkIlGFCI

New trailer. Still trying to appeal to old fans making them think they are in the Firehouse as their movie HQ instead of just last bit when Patty hears some voice say Zuul when listening to EVPs (According to a leak earlier) but knowing more shoots in LA that could have changed as that is the actual LA Firehouse interior.

Lot more of the ghosts and a lot more ghosts than the original.

>>46182
>I'd like to see what he comes up with in tracking down the path that lead us here.

A whole lot of Sony dicking Dan Aykroyd and Ivan Reitman around, and Bill Murray vacillating on whether or not he wanted to do it a lot.

>>46214
I do wonder if he'll be a job or just a cameo.

https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesUK/status/733645597635313664

Holy shit, this trailer is actually good. Why wasn’t this the first trailer?

>>46218
Looks like they've refined some things. That ghosts look a bit cleaner and better detailed not as foggy and overly done. In short better.

As for why this wasn't the first trailer. According to sources they keep editing the film over and over trying to get things right.

Which maybe means they give damn to get the tone right, I hope.

>>46218

>From the Studio

>Spider-Man
>M.I.B.

So they want to push this more as an action comedy?

>>46224
Honestly, Spider-Man might not be a good comparison, but the original MIB was not THAT far from the right tone for Ghostbusters anyway.

>>46226
Its just to give this movie cred since it likely won't draw the same crowd as a Paul Feig McCarthy film usually does (which begs the question why even hire those two but I digress)

But yea to line up with a MIB type film it should be the interactions with the ghosts that drive the humor. Which could work well with Ghostbusters in any iteration.

"Okay this is a Class IV infestation we're looking at. Owner died some fifteen years ago and his diner was then sold and renovated into a upscale restaurant."

While this conversation is going on we see waiters taking out trays of Burgers, Fries, Shakes and other Diner type fare much to the chagrin and commotion of the customers. One of the Ghostbusters picking a few fries off a plate as they head back to the kitchen.

"So we just go in and zap'em and trap 'em."

"Its a little more complicated than that."

Open the kitchen and there's a big bloated ghostly mass of a classic Short Order Cook lording over a expensive stove like it was a grill ectoplasm dripping everywhere.

A prep table near the front has been hastily cleared and an ethereal bell set on it. Another ghost flies up to the table depositing a plate of burgers and fries, dripping in ectoplasm.

*ding* "Order Up! HA HA HA."

Ghostbuster that grabbed the fries now gagging and expelling in the background.

"He brought friends."

Course this would be one of the bits where we don't actually see the trapping and maybe not much of a ghost fight. Some reaction shots maybe something of the head ghost throwing a cleaver and narrowly missing someones head some of them colliding and smashing though hanging pots.

But most of it just being light and sound seen from outside the kitchen and the expressions of the patrons and staff as explosions and smoke start coming from the kitchen.

And then all is quiet and then *BAM* the kitchen door is kicked open and our rolls the desert trolley laden with smoking full traps.

"Alright, who ordered the catch of the day!"

"You might want to close up for a couple of days. Maybe a week."

"Things got a bit hectic."

"We'll send you the bill."

>>46231
Lego not sending them the new Ecto-1 sets?

>>46234
10/10 would play.

Indeed.

Going from right to left going by the trailer their base weapons would be

Photonic Shotgun
Photonic Fist
Dual Photonic Pistols
Photonic Gatling(?) Didn't see a bit with Patty using a secondary weapon.

End boss being a For way split life bar. Depending on the number of people in your team how quickly you can weaken them for capture.

>>46234

Damn, he does good shit, yo.

Articles saying Sony is stepping up marketing and I'm like "WHERE?"

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/ghostbusters/40778/ghostbusters-saluting-the-effects-of-the-original-movie

Very cool article on all the effects from the original movie.


>The neutrino wands (aka 'the thrower') had a flash bulb at the end so the special effects guys had something to queue the start of the stream from. The streams (important safety tip: never cross them) were a mixture of explosions that were shot off stage, and mixed with classical animation. The idea behind this was the concept of 'rubberising light'.

>The proton packs weighed 30lb 'fully loaded', but there were a few different versions. For stunts, some were made of rubber, whilst others didn't have batteries, for when they weren't firing the guns.

//youtube.com/watch?v=GixfiDGhSlk

More from Midnight's Edge.

>>46256

And the last one is arguably one of the big reasons this rebake is getting so much shit. If this was some '80s comedy that nobody really gives a shit about these days—think Police Academy—a female-heavy rebake of that wouldn’t garner nearly as much hate. But Ghostbusters is one of those movies that endures beyond the ’80s because it’s that goddamn good; any reboot/remake/rebake of that film was gonna catch shit regardless of its cast.

It’s really an ingenious little ploy: sexist assholes get to trash an action-comedy film featuring four female leads while hiding behind the general public’s seeming predisposition to disliking this film.

>>46257
And then the production team play up the misogyny to deflect from actually discussing the problems people have with the film.

If they would just talk about the other comments and concerns rather than deflecting everything with "you just hate women." then the film wouldn't be accelerating towards being a radioactive shit pile nobody is going to want to touch in the end.

And that isn't what you want from a prospective Tent Pole.

People have a massive problem this being a Reboot because the original was a really good movie. Discuss that point dammit instead of hiding behind women.

>>46257
>But Ghostbusters is one of those movies that endures beyond the ’80s because it’s that goddamn good; any reboot/remake/rebake of that film was gonna catch shit regardless of its cast.

Unless Adam Sandler was cast as everyone in the new film, I doubt the hatred for the new Ghostbusters would be equal to what we're seeing now.

>>46259

That’s kind of my point: people were predisposed to disliking the new Ghostbusters, and sexists are using that as cover to lash out at the filmmakers for casting women as the new Ghostbusters team. If the new team had been all-to-mostly male, the hate would still be there, but I’d wager it wouldn’t be nearly as bad.

>>46261
>Spawn Camping

>>46256
Jumpman, tell me this, do you think the AVGN is a mysoginist for making that "I won't watch this" video?

>>46267
I think he's an idiot for making that video, and acting like the world is dragging him to the theater like a mother would a screaming child. I'm not exactly crying tears over the fact he now has to refer to Ghostbusters as Ghostbusters 1984. There's such a strong whiny vibe to that video.

>>46256

To be fair Jumpman, you have a well-documented history of giving Sony movies a lot more slack than the general public. I mean I remember when you were here constantly telling everyone here that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was good and downplaying all the criticism people levied at it, so I don't really find it surprising that you'd be on the opposite side of the majority on this movie too.

Me, I'm on the opposite end, I know I have a biased against Sony and consider them a cancer on the film industry as a whole, an broken sewerpipe pumping the most rancid shit imaginable into the marketplace from Adam Sandler to Seth Rogen movies, Angry Birds to Emoji, and now Ghostbusters (reboot). It's a brand that is so far removed from quality in my eyes that I have come to despise it and everything produced by it. They are, as far as I'm concerned, the LJN of the movie industry.

>>46268
>>46268
Avoided the question like a champ.

Do you think he is a mysoginist for the opinions he expressed on that video?

>>46268

He probably had a lot of fans asking if he'd review the movie after he's done stuff like his Ghostbusters game retrospective and played some of the games during his Monday streams.

He's got no interest and just decided to clear the air on that.

Not his fault some sites picked up on that and ran with it.

>>46268
>I think he's an idiot for making that video

Why? Most people would assume that he would review the movie, and thus he needed to say that he wasn't interested.

>There's such a strong whiny vibe to that video.
And there is such a strong whiny vibe to your post.

>>46274
Man, you keep avoiding giving a solid answer to a very simple question.

Do you think the AVGN is a mysoginist based on that video and the opinions he expressed? Please avoid the wall of text, just a yes or no will suffice.

>>46275
>At its worst, the video is more entitled than sexist.
*corrected the misspelling

Reading can be fun.

>>46277

You’re not “losing” anything. Look, the Lucasarts buyout and Disney-led direction of Star Wars—which resulted in the canonicity of the pre-Disney EU being revoked—rubbed people the wrong way, sure. But Disney’s decision to “wipe the slate” in that regard doesn’t affect whether people can remember, continue to expand, or even acknowledge the existence of the Old EU. (If anything, the Old EU is now akin to Abrams!Trek: an “alternate reality” of sorts.)

And guess what? The existence of a new Ghostbusters film doesn’t “destroy” anything—the original films, the cartoons, your memories—about the Ghostbusters franchise, such as it is. And even if the new film somehow did “wreck” your memories of the original, so what? People change, feelings change, opinions change. If you want to stay stagnant in your security blanket of nostalgia, by all means, stay there—but don't expect everyone else to stay there with you, and don’t get mad when they move on.