/mtv/ - Music, Television & Film

>>45350
Few concerns about this. Part of the Warner Bros soul searching before some reason letting Snyder do whatever with Man of Steel was the thought "People have grown tired of the overall grim Batman stuff."

That was about four years ago with Rises.

Maybe things will be different.

>>45358
Batman looks like a jilted ex-lover there.

>>45371

Batman is a doctor losing a patent on the table and needs to step back and refocus but instead DOCTORS HARDER.

Affleck and get unhinged intense Batman but can he be just aloof wary Justice League Batman? Superman's Pal?

I wonder if this would have been better as just a straight up Batman and Superman film. No Wonder Woman, no Doomsday and maybe even no Lex. Just those around Bruce trying to drag Bruce back from the Abyss that he feels so keen on throwing himself down into.

Alfred showing up at Clark's apartment right before the final confrontation. Not knowing how its going to go making a plea of restraint against a man who is very ill and needs help.

I'd be really cool with just that angle.

>>45411
Something like World's Strongest? Definitely, but they'd also have to relegate Snyder to cinematographer only. Get him out of that director's seat.

>>45412
Yea for sure. I mean they could have a really good story there and a great bit of bonding. Clark does all he can not to hurt Bruce who nearly kills himself. Bruce passes out and Clark flies him off to the farmhouse.

Maybe Bruce could then have that "Omega Nightmare" though none of that Evil Super Legion crap and just him in his Duster and Goggles looking out across the wasteland of Gotham and that giant Omega Symbol carved into the earth as fire shoots out around him.

Bruce up delirious and panicked falls out of the bed he's in (Clark's Old Room) Finds a note atop a pile clothes (shirt, jeans. boots etc) "Guess we're about the same size." Breakfast is in the kitchen.

Bruce comes tottering down the stairs. Martha is doing some clean up in the kitchen, various food stuffs cups and plates are on the table.

Martha looks over as Bruce enters the kitchen.

M:Oh, you're up. Clark was afraid he'd been too rough. Boy does his best.

Bruce moves over to the table steadies himself as he sits carefully picking up a biscuit looking at it cautiously.

Martha brings over a pot of coffee and sits it on the table.

M:Go on, eat. Nothing to be afraid of here.

Bruce gets a cup and pours some coffee

M:Brewed a fresh pot. From what Clark says about you work you could use a cup.

Bruce takes a sip..then gulps down the cup pouring himself another and then starts chewing on the biscuit before getting more food from the table and devouring it.

Clark walks in clad in similar clothes (Red Shirt, Jeans and Work Boots)

C: Fixed the fence line in the back field, should keep the McGreggor cows from getting into the corn.

Clark looks over at Bruce as he gulps down another cup and starts in on a piece of ham.

C: Ma, could you give us a moment alone please.

Martha nods and heads towards the door outside.

M: I'll go check the wash on the line, be easy on him Clark.

Clark nods pulling a chair up to the table and getting himself a cup of coffee as Bruce still quietly eats.

C: Good Coffee

B: *Grunts*

C: *sigh* All of this was a misunderstanding you know, I never did what you think I did. What you were told I did.

Bruce stops eating not looking up.

B: I know that.

Clark takes a drink setting the cup down in front of him.

C: Then why?

B: You we're an unknown, I had to test you.

C: Find out if I could be trusted?

B: No find out if you were dangerous.

C: And?

B: Not to the extent I thought you were.

C: *chuckles* Well, that's a start.

>>45413
I hate ideas like this because they're way better than what we will actually get and it makes me sad.
I really want this.

>>45415
Its what should be the focus not that batman is just crazy and angry. But that he's sick and needs help and that is what Clark will offer. So I hope that somehow comes through.

It will probably end up being shit, but I am kind of interested in Powerless, if it manages to get off the ground.

http://www.newsarama.com/28451-which-beloved-dc-hero-will-join-legends-of-tomorrow.html
If this is true, smart money is on Booster.

>>45529
>Booster Gold
Yes please.

Mexico Anon dripping some premier knowledge over in /co/. Going just about as well as expected.

>>45550
Is everthing on fire?

>>45551
No, they just started a race war so never mind.
Atlest I want to see this shitstorm first hand this time.

>>45553
What soo the new movie batman shoots people? He's Purple Gloves?

>>45553

>the guy in the back of the truck disappears just before the explosion happens

>>45554
Really nothing new. Both Nolan's and Burton's Batmen used live ammo and explosives on people.

>>45556
And yet people get butthurt when Superman does it, even when he also kill Zod in Superman 2 the RD cut.
//youtube.com/watch?v=LakXRQbdiUY

What a cluster fuck it going to be!

>>45557
Plot does seem a bit jumped if Snyder is still pushing both his nihilistic ideas of good and that Christ analogy still as the leaks have put out.

>>45570

I think we’d all do well to stay away from /co/ Prime for…shit, at least six months. Civil War will have come and gone by then.

Fuckin’ capeshit cola wars.

>currently sitting at 41% on Rotten Tomatoes with 44 reviews
Damn, I never expected it to be great but thought it would at least hover at a respectable 60-70.

At least most people seem to be happy with Wonder Woman and Gadot's performance, which is a relief.

>>45573
And also troubling since that is a very low bar.

Oh Angry Joe is going to be heart broken. Be fun to see him rage though.

As of this post, BvS is at 38% on RT, which is lower than Batman Forever (41%) and Daredevil (44%). Its next “target” is Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (37%).

Eh, it’ll make a billion anyway because there’s nothing else out right now that’s aimed at its target audience.

Oh jeez, that's really depressing. I really don't want the DCCU to fail, if for no reason other than to provide the MCU with some competition to keep them sharp, since most of my favorite DC characters are ones they're unlikely to make movies for. Unfortunately Warner Bros being what they are I don't think they'll learn any of the right lessons from this movie tanking.

>>45576

I'd watch a Doom Patrol Film so bad. Tell it from Garfield's perspective and imply he's already with the Teen Titians. Tell it as a story from his past that maybe leads into a movie with the current Doom Patrol roster.

>>45577
Yep. Shame they won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Especially not Morrison's run.

>>45576
If Suicide Squad ends up performing better with critics (which seems entirely possible), expect big changes from WB.

http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/batman-v-superman-could-dcs-entire-slate-be-in-jeopardy-fandemonium

>>45576
They'll probably keep making solo films like what they had with Batman and Superman Returns and such. Maybe once Snyder bows out and they decide to have another Universe Supervisor, it'll work. Starting slow, not with the big guys.

>>45580
It's what they should've done from the getgo. Instead of giving everyone a solo film whether they need it or not.

>>45581

Avengers worked because Marvel gave us the solo films first; they built up a fictional universe and showed us how the characters exist within it and gave us reasons to care about the primary Avengers, then brought them together for the first time at the end of Phase One. DC’s rush to mimic Marvel’s success left DC thinking it could do a few fanboy-friendly cameos in BvS (and maybe Suicide Squad) before Justice League and call it a day. It’s partly an “assumed empathy” problem (“Batman and Superman are in the Justice League, and people like Batman and Superman, so people will like these other Justice League members”), but it’s mostly DC taking away all the wrong lessons from the failures of Superman Returns and Green Lantern—as well the successes of The Dark Knight Trilogy and Marvel’s “shared universe” gimmick.

>>45583

It really is amazing to see them brush off criticisms that have nothing to do with “DC SUCKS” and everything to with things like narrative structure and characterization—and all so they can have this fantasy that their grimdark superserious superhero movie will be vindicated as “The Superhero Movie That Did ‘Mature’ Right”.

>>45584
>“The Superhero Movie That Did ‘Mature’ Right”

Unbreakable.

Which ironically was produced by Disney .

>>45585
And some critics still shit on because people "read" it wrong as a Superhero movie they enjoyed and didn't laugh at.

http://moviebob.blogspot.se/2016/03/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of.html#morehttp://moviebob.blogspot.se/2016/03/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of.html#more
Oh boy cant wait for his angry angry vid-review.

>>45587

Angry Joe is going to have it worst of all. Maybe he'll call Spoony and they can have a drink while they work through this mess.

Oh and he Midnight Screening will likely be filled with just as much rage. Half in the Bag will also be a treat.

Common theme "HOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP!?" To wit the answer is you let Snyder and Friends run the show and utterly tone deaf executives that think they need to be the polar opposite of what they think Marvel films are.

The films setting up where a now disillusioned Super Solider and a PTSD ridden Billonare Playboy come to blows over how much they should be controlled by the government.

>>45588

>Half in the Bag will also be a treat.

Man, what I wouldn’t give for Plinkett reviews of MoS and (eventually) BvS.

I still can't believe that "Batman being carried through the air by a cloud of bats in a christ-like pose" crap wasn't /tv/ trolling but actually something in the movie. There are people, several people, who had to give their approval to such scene, and some probably even thought it sounded like a great idea. Think about it.

>>45590

For me, it's the Pa Kent dream where he talks about hearing the screams of drowning horses. Like... what the fuck, movie? I had to double check multiple reviews to make sure people weren't just shitting with me about that scene.

>>45590
>>45591

Batman decides to not kill Superman when Superman reveals that his mom is also named Martha. This is a thing that actually happens in the film.

If this movie tanks, Snyder’s head should roll first.

>>45587
And it was worth the wait.
//youtube.com/watch?v=OTKDtoBR-2M
>>45588
If his twitter is to be belived, he injoyed it.
Hope he team up with Doug again for round two.

On the bright side, Gal Gadot's (brief) performance as Wonder Woman is being praised, and Ben Affleck works as Batman (Snyder's portrayal of Batman is another story). And considering how the movie ends with Superman pushing daisies, it leaves room for a brand new take on Superman.

In a way, Snyder did his job. There's great material here for a cinematic DC universe, but he has no idea what to do with it.

>sitting at 38% on Rotten Tomatoes
>Critics Consensus: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story -- and some of America's most iconic superheroes -- in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action.
"Grim" is the perfect word for it.

>>45596

>Gal Gadot's (brief) performance as Wonder Woman is being praised

There is actually very little to praise, because she is barely in the film, "brief" is actually a good descriptor. I am not sure how can anyone give a good solid opinion on her WW, other than "she looked good in costume".

Also, I must add this.

I hated, hated, HATED Eisenberg's Luthor. Easily the worst part of the film for me. I actually went expecting him to be terrible because of how lame Luthor was in the trailers, and somehow it was even worse.

IMO, worst miscast ever in a big budget superhero movie.

http://www.moovienews.com/20160323-major-shakeup-for-warnerbros-and-dc.html

At least we got a sweet Batmobile in Rocket League.

//youtube.com/watch?v=qhRkL3YFYac

>>45599
That wasn't even the role he was brought in for. I swear from his allusions about who Snyder was bringing him to play in the first place he was going to be that movies Joker before Squad got up and runinng an got Leto.

And this is the reason why the Marvel creative Roundtable is a good idea.

>If [Batman V Superman] makes less than a billion, [Zack] Snyder is out and Justice League will be delayed 8 months.
>Chris Nolan is being courted as a producer and George Miller, David Yates, Louis Letterier, and Vincenzo Natali are all being courted to take over Justice League.
>Wonder Woman is undergoing major rewrites. Specifically, WW needs to be reworked as a standalone film incase of a soft reboot. Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern Corps are all on the chopping block too."

Please let 75% of these things happen.

>Investors are planning a major takeover if [Batman V Superman] flops and have plans to install a board that will order the universe to be rebooted
Freaking morons.

>>45600

>Chris Nolan is being courted as a producer

NO! Its his crap that Snyder is aping.

>>45598
>There is actually very little to praise, because she is barely in the film, "brief" is actually a good descriptor. I am not sure how can anyone give a good solid opinion on her WW, other than "she looked good in costume".

On the other hand, it augurs well for the WW movie's prospects if her brief appearance was memorable and well-received by audiences, even that reception was built on a foundation of "OH SWEET FUCKING RELIEF THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT STOP."

>>45604
Yeah but that's more because Snyder is a crappy director in general. Nolan himself is overrated for sure but BvS would've been way less terrible if he was in the director seat and Snyder was just the cinematographer and producer.

>>45598
On the other hand the fact that she didn't immediately stand out as terrible despite her sparse resume is a good sign, and the positive reception to her in this film is a good way to build legitimate hype for her solo film.

>>45594
>If his twitter is to be belived, he injoyed it.
AngryJoe is delusional at this point.

>>45594
Well he did think Man of Steel was awesome so who the hell knows what's up with him.

>>45606
Bullshit, Nolan had already amply demonstrated that he hadn't got a clue what actually makes up the core odd the characters involved. He's a good director as long as he's not trying to work towards a specific character.

>>45608

Poor man. DC broke him.

>>45610
Nolan understand these characters better than you think. Batman never killed senselessly under his watch and Superman wouldn't have either, as Nolan told Snyder and Goyer not to go through with the neck snapping in Man of Steel.

>In the original version of the script, he just got zapped into the Phantom Zone. David [S. Goyer] and I had long talked about it, and Chris [Nolan] and I talked long about it. And I was like, “I really think he should kill Zod, and I really feel like Superman should kill him.”

>This account is backed up by Goyer, who, in the same podcast, said that Nolan told them there was no way they could have that ending. He flat out told them not to write it.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-1763888746

>>45612
>Batman never killed senselessly under his watch

How about all those ninjas that were his buddies in the nepalese ninja academy?

Damn, the RT score is actually going down

Don't think anything will bring it above fifty. Just such a baffling thing. Reviews for first said the problem was that it was making Superman so dour that killed it.

Second one. Just double the scoops and dump brooding and doubt all over the pile.

Superman and Batman work as a CONTRAST same as the cities they protect. You screw that up then you've lost everything.

http://www.avclub.com/article/if-darth-vader-can-destroy-cities-so-can-superman--234208

>I went, really? And I said, well, what about [Star Wars: Episode VII—The Force Awakens]? In Star Wars they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new Star Wars movie, if you just do the math.

>>45616

Welp, that seals it for me: Zack Snyder legitimately hates Superman.

>>45617
I think the problem is that he is confused and thinks Superman is a villain.

>>45618

Same difference.

>>45616
Snyder's such a twat. And now I'm remembering that time from SBFC 111 when Pat and some Marvel actor took the piss out of him for saying another stupid thing.

What I did really like:

The opening scene with Bruce's POV of the Supes Vs Zod fight, really sells his whole attitude in the movie.

In fact, pretty much everything about Affleck's Batman, barring a couple of LOLWUT moments, was brilliant. As expected, he was the best part of the movie.

New Batmobile rocks.

Cavill once again was pretty cool, and I wish Snyder would just let him be Superman.

Hmmm... that's it.

What I did really dislike:

Eisenberg's Luthor. So grating and annoying. Why we can't have one solid good live action movie Lex Luthor whereas there are tons of good Jokers, I have no idea.

That awful pee joke, holy shit.

Pacing was awful, the editing was a all over the place. I wonder if the longer R-Rated cut is going to feel less disjointed.

There are FOUR dream sequences in the film. Why.

The actual Batman Vs Superman fight breaks due an absolutely stupid, hokey, ridiculous reason.
Bruce's mom was also named "Martha", which apparently means Clark has to be a good boy .

The final fight with Doomsday was a mess, by the end I could barely understand what the hell was going on. Plus, even after growing all his bone spikes, they somehow still managed for him to not look like the Doomsday in the comics.

The worldbuilding towards the JLA was so incredibly forced and akward, in comparision it made Ironman 2 look natural and organic in its pushing for Avengers. The scene where you get to see the cameos literally serves no other purpose than showing you those cameos, and the movie has to screech to a halt for it. Worst part, it wastes one of the few vital scenes with Wonder Woman that should have been spent developing her at least a bit, but instead she is sitting in front of a screen with a blank expression on her face.

For all the hype, WW was an afterthougth, she is barely there. If you delete all her scenes, the movie doesn't suffer at all.


All in all I didn't hate the movie (in fact, plan to rewatch it during the weekend), and would put it above half of the Marvel films, but at the end it is a tremendous waste to potential, resources, and talent. The hype was simply too high, and I should have seen coming that Snyder wasn't the man capable of delivering on it.

>>45621

Really they should have come together before the end of the film. Confont Luthor as a combined force and then he releases Doomsday on them. Who probably should have been Bizarro and not Doomsday.

http://heroichollywood.com/zack-snyder-explains-batmans-methods-bvs/

WHY DOES HE INSIST ON DIGGING THE HOLE DEEPER

>>45623

>Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up (...) I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

Really?

>A little more like manslaughter than murder

REALLY?

>There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun

Miller himself has said that no, Batman doesn't kill the Mutant thug in that scene, he wounded him.

ZACK, DUDE, YOU KNOW MILLER'S PHONE NUMBER, YOU COULD HAVE ASKED HIM DIRECTLY.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/wb-batman-v-superman-faces-high-expectations-1201729887/

800 Million projected to break even. Under a billion will consider it a failure.

>>45624

Batasshole of Manslaughter

The Al-Queda didn't kill anybody in 9-11, guys.

They only intended to blow up the buildings, not the people inside.

>>45627
I'd feel more pity for him if he didn't have a history of acting like a stuck-up douchebag over his movies.

>>45628

Snyder got off too easy after MoS. Really hope this makes him understand a change in behavior is in order. Amy's face is tragic. Gadot looks embarrassed. Ben and Henry been here before Ben multiple times.

>>45629
From Daredevil to Batman. At least we know for sure it's not his fault this time seeing as people are saying he's one of the only good parts of the film.

>>45630

He may have gone a bit too much BatGod but that can be remedy by bringing in some levity into the mix.

Maybe a Robin.

>>45629
Whatever happens, I hope they never let him near the director's seat for these kinds of movies ever again. He's not totally incapable of making OK movies, but not these. Please.

>>45629

>Snyder got off too easy after MoS. Really hope this makes him understand a change in behavior is in order.

He should try to understand actual heroism and why people like superheroes. If he can’t, >>45632 has it right: don’t let him ever direct a superhero film ever again. (I really hope WB is scrambling to push Snyder off of Justice League.)

>>45634

I'm okay with this.

>>45633
He's stuck in the Watchmen mentality.

>>45634
Boob cups aside not bad. This movie is almost definitely going to be better just because Snyder's not making it.

>>45608
Your right, he did go nuts.
//youtube.com/watch?v=LMaIhAP7aeo
Also James & Mike feat. a huge beard.
//youtube.com/watch?v=uTJyfNPWRuY

>>45639
oh jeez, Jimmy and Mike. Really hoped you would not have touched that hot potato.

>>45639
Joe why do you have those guys with you if you neither give them a good mic and you tell them what to say

>>45639
//youtube.com/watch?v=8jyQY_IR9u0
Yep, pretty mad.

//youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw
Oh dear. And the RT score still keeps dropping.

>>45643
>WAY TOO SOON

Yes, absolutely, the death (not going to bother spoiler this because, holy shit Doomsday is in the movie and he fights Superman, come on) is pointless because he is a Superman that has been around for so little, the impact simply is not as potent as Snyder think it is. It isn't that I don't care for Superman, but I don't care yet enough for *THIS* Superman. Shit, I felt worse for Coulson's death in Avengers.

Saw it.
Its a pretty but pointless fireworks display that sets fire to the houses of DC movieverse and comicfans.

Fun times!

My dad thought it had a dumb plot and that it dont got shit on Marvel.

>>45645

>It isn't that I don't care for Superman, but I don't care yet enough for *THIS* Superman.

And we'd probably care (more) if Snyder!Superman wasn’t such a fucking asshole.

http://kotaku.com/what-we-liked-and-hated-about-batman-v-superman-1767082297

>For a lifelong fan like me, watching these characters get twisted into nigh-unrecognizable form is like torture. There’s no optimism here. Seeing “good” triumph over “evil” here is like watching a snuff friends where they kill the Superfriends.

This movie's gonna drop hard after opening weekend. (Hell, I’m legitimately hoping Zootopia can hold on to the top spot at the box office.)

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-jimmy-olsen

>We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?

Zack Snyder must never be allowed to direct, write, or otherwise work on another superhero film for the rest of his life.

>>45650
So that's what Eisenberg meant by being the complete opposite. Also Gadot being Catwoman for most the film.

What would have been. Clark and his pal Jimmy. Both about the same age and fresh to the game.

Dammit Zack.

That "The Death Star blew planets so it's okay if there were thousands of deaths in MoS" shit

That "Batman doesn't kill you, it just blows up the car you are in" crap

And now this.

Snyder has to be trolling on purpose.

Saw the film today. Not as bad as most critics are saying, but that doesn't make it great. Much like Amazing Spider-Man 2, Batman v Superman is just going through the motions. This did not need to be a near three-hour film. You could lose 45 minutes of footage and the "story" wouldn't suffer for it. Most critics have been pointing towards the third act as the worst, but honestly, that's where the movie decided to drop its guard and have a bit of fun. The Doomsday fight was a mess, sure, but having all the characters finally being on the same page gave the movie the much needed spark if needed, if only briefly. Batman's comment towards Superman's mom about being a friend of her son got a lot of laughs at my theater. The audience also went wild for Wonder Woman.

I don't really love or hate this film. I'm indifferent towards it and that's the worst feeling to have for a movie starring two comic book icons. Everyone else at my theater loved it, though. Applauds before and after the film. It's gonna be interesting to see how fan reaction will impact the movie's box office.

I saw it. Moderately pissed that nobody mentions how Mercy is introduced and then summarily killed by the Luthor cripple-bomb.

It is a dour, drab movie. Exhausting is a word I would use to describe it. I think Luthor is the only person who smiles during the entire thing. Frankly his scenes were a breath of much needed fresh air compared to everything else. I wouldn't say he was a good Lex Luthor but he made for a fun and interesting antagonist to pit Batman versus Superman, even if his motivations were a garbled mess.

There are some good elements and scenes in this twisted wreckage of a movie but I believe it earned its review score. This is a worse movie than Man of Steel in every aspect.

>>45654
It's like how in MoS they intoduce Doc Hamilton only to kill him off.

WHY.

>>45655
Or how Jimmy Olsen has like 2 minutes of screen time before he's executed by terrorists.

>The audience also went wild for Wonder Woman.
Every time they showed her picture and hinted at her being Wondy or just the first time Gadot's on screen?

Did Wonder Woman show up at any time other than the end in her suit?

>>45657

From what I’ve read, she is Wonder Woman only during the Doomsday battle and Diana during all her other appearances.

>>45655
>It's like how in MoS they intoduce Doc Hamilton only to kill him off.
Wait did he not get sucked in to the Phantom Zone?

>>45656
When she suited up for the Doomsday fight.

>>45659
I don't think he did, at least that isn't how it was presented in the film. The plan carrying the Phantom Zone thingamajig crashes into Zod's shit and then the portal opens, so Dr Hamilton had to survive that. That Colonel dude even brings back that "a good death" bit, so the implication is that he (and thus Hamilton too) died.

>>45661
>The plan carrying
>Zod's shit

I won't ever, ever again post using my phone.

BvS would have been a better movie if they had made first a Batman solo movie and MoS 2.


agree/disagree?

>>45665
Completely. BvS should've been saved as the DCCU's Avengers, followed by the Wonder Woman solo. Not sure where Suicide Squad would fit in, but I'm hoping it and WW save the DCCU from collapsing completely.

>"Aquaman is a character that a lot of people have made fun of over the years and I just think it's fun to actually show a really different, cool, badass side to this character, but at the same time, let's not forget to have fun with it."

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/james-wan-promises-a-fun-aquaman-very-different-in-tone-to-batman-v-a132677

//youtube.com/watch?v=VGsrMaxx8N4
Red Letter Media throws in their two cents. Wonder if we're getting a Plinkett after all.

>>45675
Ike Perlmutter's too much of a douchebag to let that happen.

>>45676
He's not in charge of the film division though. That's Feige and Alan Horn.

>>45677

I do want to see what they can come up with now they've had their limiter removed.

I really hope that this can be kept below a Billion so Snyder can be removed if that one article holds true. Else he'll just keep making these to a Bay level consumption.Makes me kinda ill to think about that.

>>45679
Yeah. I want the DCCU to do well, but so long as they remain financial hits WB has no incentive to not stick to its awful status quo because the people in charge of it are idiots.

>>45682

Marvel dodged the late 90s-00s era where they'd made Avengers into gloomy edgy schlock and likely ended the Superhero genre.

DC has a solid film series (well for the most part) in that era and then seeks to establish themselves in the new Era.

Yet their films feel they are stuck in that dreary era still. Even more they seem go back to the more violent films of the era.

Now we've got the defense that they've had a "successful" weekend even though it appears drop from day to day paces with Rises returns. They are using Preorder tickets to cover some of that drop off.

I really think that drop off will be massive this coming week.

You know, the moment when the movie lost me, was that scene with Superman almost in tears telling Lois that he feels the worlds doesn't let him be good. I am not exaggerating, for while I felt sick, like, why in hell did I pay to hear fucking Superman saying this depressing bullshit.

I am officially off Snyder's wild ride, not going to watch anything else involving the DCEU, at least not in theaters. For all their many, many faults, at least the Marvel movies don't make me feel like shit afterwards.

>>45684

This version of Ma and Pa Kent disgust me. They seem to have very little love and a very Nihilist outlook on the world and through that have made Clark a self doubting wreck.

While in another place and time.

//youtube.com/watch?v=PGlb1YKs3ug

Pa still dies, but its impact is much different.

You know I could have gone along with this younger Lex. If he somehow had visions or something so that he could see the "Pre-Crisis" version of Superman.

Be much like Harrison Wells from season one the current Flash. He wants Superman to be great he wants that embodiment of all that is right with the world, because what's it worth if he cannot defeat the best version of the Man of Steel.

>>45685

Ma Kent is not that bad. Yes, her words to Supes were a bit harsh and could easily be misconstructed as "fuck them", but it was basically "save them because you feel like doing it is the right thing, not because you owe them crap"

Now Pa... dang, that scene in the snow was Snyder trying to come up for a reason for Pa's psychotic behavior towards his son, but if anything made me think the guy is even worse in the head than before.

>>45686

That's a fine lesson but their attitudes toward Clark don't seem to bolster that into a positive philosophy that would make him the moral compass by which all the rest of the league check their actions.

I'm kinda scared of a League founded by Batman and Wonder Woman alone. From what's been seen it would be a kinda violent secret police rather than an watchful guardian.

Sure it would be an interesting elseworlds one off mini series. But I don't want that as the image a generation sees the league and their heroes by. Young Justice was bad enough with that bullshit.

Snyder plans to make Superman a villain, this is clear to me.

Darkseid is going to bring him back from death, and turn him into a lackey.

>>45688
Snyder must be stopped at all cost.

I'm torn. On the one hand I wanna see this movie so I can laugh at all the ridiculous things my friends tell me about it, like Baby Bruce Bats, the dreams, Lex, and the Two Marthas. On the other hand I don't want to risk giving this movie any more money than it already has in case it keeps Snyder in the director's seat, even if it does turn out that I actually manage to enjoy this one film.

>>45688
But Krypton's face-changing robots are right there and looking so cool!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/03/28/batman-v-superman-sets-record-with-worst-friday-sunday-drop-for-superhero-pics/
Hmm. Looks like the bad press is having an impact.

>>45692

Not as much as the film’s quality likely had on potential repeat viewings over the weekend.

http://www.newsarama.com/28592-aquaman-director-aims-for-swashbuckling-sea-monsters-more.html
This film will probably be shit or shelved but it sounds like what I want out of an Aquaman movie. Swashbuckling and sea monsters. That's not impossible to fuck up though.

>>45694

The problem with the Aquaman movie, I feel, is Jason Momoa. I mean he has an impressive physique, but I think you kinda need more than a stellar bod to carry your own movie.

I don't know. The last Aquaman I ever liked was OUTRAGEOUS!Aquaman, I've never been a fan of the Namor-lite attempts at revamping him into a "serious" character.

>>45694
It doesn't need to be jokey like the Marvel movies to be fun. It just needs to have that high-octane hamminess and sense of adventure that was missing from BvPretentiouS.

>>45696

In other words, it needs to not be up its own ass about being "a serious film for serious filmgoing adults who want serious seriousness".

>>45696
It'll be fine if it's serious as long as it's not pretentious like you said. Captain America Winter Soldier was serious and thought provoking but people liked it because it didn't feel full of itself like BvS which would still be dumb even if they added more jokes and silliness.

>>45700
>>45699
Watch. We won't get Too but it will have Jason Momoa throwing a Polar Bear.

Oh god, if only.

>>45701
*Topo

http://www.slashfilm.com/kevin-smith-batman-v-superman-2/

Kevin Smith seems to think they missed the core of the heroes in this one as well.

I hope it wasn't Affleck rewriting parts making it worse and just the overall script being garbage. Because I want good hero films coming out of DC.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331260/hans-zimmer-retiring-superhero-scores-batman-v-superman

And maybe a bit more originality in the soundtracks.

>>45708
It saddens me because I think DC has properties that could make for fun movies if they had competent people in charge. I would kill for a Doom Patrol movie.

>>45708
>I hope it wasn't Affleck rewriting parts making it worse
The odds of that are slim to none.

>>45710

Girl Meets World gets more right when having a discussion about Dark Knight Returns. Ironic in that bit.

But yea whole list of characters I want to see in films or better budgeted TV. Plastic Man would be great, for TV. or Ralph and Sue Detective show or a Blue and Gold one.

>>45713
Ugh knowing WB they'll probably put Doctor Light front and center.

>>45713
>or Ralph and Sue Detective show

I still hold out hope for the episode of the Flash where Ralph Dibny finally snaps back into human shape.

Including him in the particle accelerator dead list was a mistake.

>>45715
Same. Him and Bea DeCosta.
I would love Barry and Ralph teaming up.

Also, if that one office show featuring lesser known characters takes off, I can see Blue and Gold there.

http://screencrush.com/suicide-squad-reshoots-fun/

Welp.

>All the jokes in the movie were in the trailer.

Wow hope they remember to match shit properly. Else they'll get that slightly off look some films get in reshoots.

>>45717
Ugh, Suicide Squad might've been the kind of movie that didn't actually need humor to work and the new scenes will just screw it up.
The problem with Batman v Superman wasn't necessarily that it was serious and without much humor. The Nolanbats films managed to get by. It's just that Snyder is a crappy director who's too full of himself. Stop learning the wrong lessons from everything OK, DC head guys?

One thing that bothers me immensely about BvS, is that presents a world where nobody seems to trust Superman. No, I don't count those people who see him as a divine messiah from the heavens. Besides his mom and the GF, at no point it appears that there are people who just think it's pretty damn awesome to have Superman around. The most painful example was how Superman was just seconds away from dealing with Doomsday, and then the goverment literally blew it up.

Also, as a friend pointed out after watching the movie, once the Doomsday fight starts, the trinity makes no attempt to coordinate their actions. Like, there was no need for Superman to be the one weilding the kryptonite spear, as WW probably actually knows how to fight with such weapon. Furthermore, going with what's shown onscreen, there wasn't even a NEED for the damn spear. WW sliced off one of Doomsday's arms, and it doesn't actually regenerate, it simply seals off the wound with bone growth. You can hurt and potentially disable this Doomsday.

I did not go to see BvS because why would you go to see a ZS movie, you know exactly what it's going to be

>>45723
Looked like it was regenerating to me, just slowly by extruding more spikes first.

Also, while throwing away and getting back the spear was a bit of a time-waste, I do like to think of Lois doing that because she realised that sitting next to a big 'ol chunk of radioactive rock can't be healthy for anyone, and that puting it underwater is actually a pretty good method of sheilding, groundwater contamination issues aside.

>>45724
if you watches the Superman Animated Series Batman introduction you already watched a better version of all of this anyway.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/04/02/box-office-batman-v-superman-plunges-record-81-for-15-35m-friday/#3891d27935dc

>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice just broke a record for the biggest Friday-to-Friday drop for a major comic book movie. We can talk all we want about how the movie is more appreciated by the fans or its passionate online fan base than by the critics. But if this second Friday (and likely second weekend) figure is any indication, the majority of the general populace no longer cares. It’s neither a passionate embrace nor vitriolic hatred, but merely indifference. Yes, we’re still talking about a $15.35 million second Friday and a $50m+ second weekend, but in terms of legs, this film doesn’t seem to have any.

It’s official: BvS is the shitpile all the critics said it is.

>>45727
I was rather baffled by how huge the movie's opening weekend was, but it looks like the "enthusiast audience" all turned up for the first four days and none of that enthusiasm rubbed off on the rest of the general public.

It goes to show how hard WB shit the bed on this. Fanboys alone contributed to one of the largest opening weekends in the history of cinema, and instead of building on this clear groundswell of love for the characters, they instead subjected them to two-and-a-half hours of abuse and perhaps permanently harmed their ability to repeat opening weekends like this.

>>45728
Comicbooks do the exact same thing most of the time, anyone who still buys Marvel/DC is pretty much a battered spouse.

>>45728

The fanboy/“enthusiast” audience will show up for Suicide Squad and whatever comes next from DC because they're fanboys. The trick lies in getting the “casual” audience—people who don’t follow the comics or have a fanboyish brand loyalty—to show up for whatever’s next. BvS got the big opening weekend because it was a holiday weekend and it had two hugely recognizable characters in it. The dropoff happened because the film didn’t connect with “casual” audiences on the scale WB thought(/hoped) it would, whether it’s because of the film’s tone or its narrative incoherence or whatever other reason.

WB will take BvS’s critical thrashing and box office performance into account going forward. I kinda hope they don’t start aping Marvel’s formula, though. It would be nice to see them do small-scale/“street level” stuff like, say, Daredevil or Jessica Jones with their future films—y’know, movies with lower-level stakes that are still action-packed. If they want to compete with Marvel, they should figure out what Marvel isn’t doing with its films and go hard in that direction. Fill the void left by the competition and you stand to make more money. (I’d imagine that’s part of the reason why BvS had a strong opening weekend: its “serious” tone is a stark contrast to the somewhat more “upbeat” tone of Marvel’s more recent films.)

>>45731
The problem is that WB attempted to do both, to do something different, while at the same time half-assedly trying to imitate the whole Marvel formula by pulling a shared universe without any sort of build up. Either go entirely in your own direction or follow the lead, such half measure was bound to fail.

>>45728
>I was rather baffled by how huge the movie's opening weekend was

It's a big budget action movie with Superman, Batman, and the Wonder Woman. Barring an act of god, there was no way such a movie wouldn't open strong.

>>45732

The Justice League trailers scene and the Knightmare sequence could both be cut out of BvS without affecting the film's narrative. That level of laziness didn't help BvS, but it didn’t necessarily hurt the film, either.

>>45733
it opened simultaneously on the international market which was part of the early boom.

>>45734
Still find is strange that a movie that spent a year in post had as many narrative problems as it did. Though according to Snyder they shot four hours or more of film so maybe it just took a year to weed him down to the two thirty mark on this edition.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/02/batman-v-superman-breaks-new-record-and-its-not-a-good-one

Making about the same as it was on Monday. Ouch.

I know I'm a little late to the party here, but can we bitch some about the shit casting of Ezra Miller as the flash?

>>45738
I like him.

>>45738
Was another of those poor bastards that Snyder had in for another role and then went "nah let's go with this one"

Also, hey look it's a project with the guys that should be running the DC Cinematic Universe.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x41nkfy

They have no question as to how Batman should be portrayed, they just know. Which is part of the reason he needs the line he doesn't cross. Hell it's the reason they both do. To further the "one bad day" ideology and as DC and Warner Bros should want give the reason why Superman and Batman are the standards by which others check their behaviour.

>>45740

I don't know how people aren't just sick of Batman media at this point. I long ago passed the threshold for batman media after the second Arkham game.

>>45739
I mean, it'd be great if the DC universe could be consistent and keep Gustin but after this, I'm glad they're not tainting the CWverse.

>>45743
My fear was this doing so well they just nuke the CW Shows as being a uneeded expenditure. No worry of that now which is a good and bad thing. But hey Supergirl seems to be getting to where it needs to go with itself. I like a Kat.

What I find funny about Batman's characterization in BvS is that Snyder keeps defending it using TDKR, which makes me think he simply skimmed though the pages to see the pretty pictures and didn't actually read the comic. Batman didn't kill anyone in the comic, and certainly did not plan to kill Superman. Snyder even cites that scene with the Mutant thug and the kidnapped kid, which proves my point as had he read the comic he would realized how ambiguous that part is, and how the comic further develops points at Batman not having killed anyone.

>>45746

It tells me that Snyder took more of an interest in the “tangible details” of TDKR rather than delve into what made the story work the way it did.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/superman-inside-story-director-richard-879894

>Tom says, “You’re crazy. Get the f— away from me!” I said, “Tom, listen. You’ve got to read this.” I gave him all my feelings about what we should do. I said, “The most important thing when you look at it is this: Make a love story. And prove a man can fly.” So he read it and he called me that night and said, “You know, there’s a lot we can do with this.”

>>45748
That's some good shit. Though that last bit is heartbreaking "You are no longer needed"

>I was brought up on Superman as a kid. There was a whole point in my life where I read Superman. So when I was finished with it, I was like, “Man, if they make this movie, they are destroying the legend of Superman.” I wanted to do it just to defend him.


You are the hero we need, Mr. Donner.

>>45750
Could he save Superman?

Really dreading this turning into Transformers.

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/03/warner-bros-downplays-batman-v-supermans-big-second-week-drop/

Warner Bros keep pushing these out without any rules to quality.

>>45755
They really need some sort of Feige like overseer(s) or something similar in charge of it. Long as they're not Tom Rothman level of colossally stupid, a single flawed individual to supervise the franchise and possibly learn from mistakes is less likely to repeatedly fuck up than throwing the whole kitchen sink with some successes and a whole lot of garbage to taint it all.

>>45756
Which is why everyone is dreading Snyder still being in control. Since all appearances he's learned nothing.

Really enjoyed this.

//youtube.com/watch?v=qtT2jM0mg-w

Still really pissed what they did to Mercy Graves. If Snyder cast her because he liked her in The Wolverine then why go through all this trouble if he's just going to kill her off like that? And for a stupid ass reason too. Same with Jimmy Olsen.

>>45762
These guys actually seem to care about the characters they're adapting, compared to the DCCU guys who are just throwing everything out there without much real strategy.

>>45762
They're doing Earth 2 Black Canary! And Alan Scott is in the season finale of Legends of Tomorrow! And the whole Jay situation is going to be explained when Flash comes back!

Our TV overlords are generous!

Outside of Arrow which is till hung up on the earlier mandates and their problems running into DCCU grabs that trashed some of their season arcs. I hope they can recover from those stumbles and get Ollie his chilli and other quirks.

https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/batman-v-superman-spoiler-special-with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

>"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
>"... more than 4 or 5 lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

Ah Snyder, you really are out of your element.

Doesn't understand at all.

>>45766

JFC, Snyder. Get out while you can.

>>45766
Oh boy.

>>45768
Yea so good luck having any coherent League scenes since Snyder cannot handle the heroes around a table having a serious discussion.

>>45769

Or heroes fighting as an actual coordinated unit, if you take BvS’s Trinity vs. Doomsday fight into account.

And there are plenty of people who still defend the shithead. Unbelivable.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-mulls-releasing-films-881265

So this is the lesson WB apparently took away from BvS.

[headdesking intensifies]

>>45773
Man that clearly has a dislike for Superheros and doesn't understand then at all is going to be kept on their next big film. As they say its going to get worse before it gets better.

>>45775
Come on Guest Starring Spoony as the Spaz Lex.

I know they parted ways long ago. But he's the only one with the energy to do it.

>>45776
Well he has guest stared after the brake before...
I just cant remember when...

>>45777
FOUND IT!
http://channelawesome.com/nostalgia-critic-planet-of-the-apes/
Was bugging the shit out of me.
OH FUCK, Its past my bed time and I got work tomorro.
shit shit shit

>>45779
Also here: http://channelawesome.com/nostalgia-critic-bloodrayne/

And now it got beat out by a McCarthy movie. Damn.

//youtube.com/watch?v=ta9To-tNEPo

And yea while one knows CGI is needed for some things nowadays. The amount in some of these scenes. Just makes me kinda sad.

>>45822
One which is significantly worse than it. While it's nowhere as enjoyable as Pacific Rim and The Boss isn't quite Grown-Ups 2 level of terrible I still kinda feel bad for it.

>>45823
The boss is basically a fifteen year old sketch script someone thought was a good idea to do now. Instead of you know when Martha Stewart in Prison was a topical thing.

Which makes it a bigger bummer IMO.

It seems entirely possible that BvS won't reach the 900 million mark. Hell, next weekend The Jungle Book is going to wreck it.

A movie with three veritable American pop culture icons, making 500 million less than Avengers AoU, a movie full to the brim with characters than less than a decade a go were nobodies. Unbelivable.

>>45825

Well critics and the public keep telling them they aren't doing Superman right and you've got a director that doesn't like them interacting in costume.

Its an uphill slog and never going to become what they want it to be if they allow things to continue.

Now don't let me bring the party down further

but apparently WB/DC were considering, prior to the launch of Snydergeddon a few years ago, letting George Miller make a justice league movie

>>45827
Considering? It was fully casted and basically reading to start filming until it got nailed by production problems.

>>45827
That's older than raptor jesus